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Two Women who are the definition of "Ride or Die" with Rev. Joya Sosnowski
Episode 2 • 11th May 2023 • Dine with the Divine • Ashley Oppon
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Join Dr. Joya Sosnowski and I as we talk Jesus's lady friends, the Goddess who would't give up on her bae and some delicious Egyptian foods!

Rev. Joya Sosnowski, is a channel for the power of sound vibrations and sacred oils to help people live their best Vibe! She is committed to bridging spirituality, science, and psychology through her studies of Quantum and Neuroscience and through her studies of the Aramaic teachings of Yeshua. In addition to her certifications and continual studies in the realm of sound healing, she is a Divine Sciences “New Thought” Reverend, a USM Spiritual Psychology Coach and a certified Mindfulness Trainer. Her mission in life is “the liberation from suffering and to see the Naphsha, or Soul Self, awakened and expressed in every human being.” She is the author of Practical Spirituality: 15 Practices for Bringing Heaven to Earth. She leads sacred retreats for women to sing, drum and embody their Divine Self at sacred sites around the world. Her website is vibologie.com.

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Ashley:

welcome to Time with the Divine.

Ashley:

My name is Ashley, I'm your host, and today we'll be exploring the magical,

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the mystical, historical, our ancestors, everything and everything in between.

Ashley:

So on today's episode, we're gonna be traveling all the way to the Middle

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East and we're gonna get to talk about two really cool ride or die ladies.

Ashley:

Hi everybody.

Ashley:

Thank you so much for coming.

Ashley:

Thank you for listening.

Ashley:

, thank you for coming back.

Ashley:

Um, so on TV show, I'm very excited.

Ashley:

We're gonna welcome in.

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Reverend Joya Sosnowski.

Ashley:

Reverend Joya is a channel for a powerful channel for the power of

Ashley:

sound, vibrations, and sacred oils to help people live their best.

Ashley:

Live.

Ashley:

She is committed to bridging spirituality, science, and psychology

Ashley:

through her studies of quantum and neuroscience, and through her studies

Ashley:

of the army teachings of Yeshua.

Ashley:

In addition to her certifications and continual studies in the realm of sound

Ashley:

healing, she is a divine sciences.

Ashley:

New thought, Reverend A U S M, spiritual psychology coach, and

Ashley:

a certified mindfulness trainer.

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Her mission in life is the liberation of suffering and to see the Nasha,

Ashley:

Nasha, or soul self awaken and express in every human being, I love that.

Ashley:

She's the author of Practical Spirituality, 15 Practices

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for Bringing Heaven to Earth.

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Also love that she leads sacred retreat for women to sing drum

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and embody their divine self at sacred sites around the world.

Ashley:

Okay, so I saw you on Instagram and I just love, like your whole vibe

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is so beautiful and I was like, I just have to talk to this person.

Ashley:

Oh, you're so sweet.

Ashley:

Thank you.

Ashley:

Yeah, you just have like a great every, I don't know.

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It's so funny cuz like Instagram and social media, it's like

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it really means nothing.

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But there are some people who you see and you're just like, wow.

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They really truly express who they are through these like online.

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Medium, which is nice.

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Instead of just seeing things that like, make you sad or whatever, you

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express it in a really nice way.

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And I really just enjoyed looking at your page.

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That's why I was like, oh, let me see if I can reach out to this person.

Ashley:

She seems really, really nice.

Ashley:

So, couple questions for you because, your biography, like,

Ashley:

there's so many interesting things in it and I'm like, oh my gosh.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

I have to ask you about everything.

Ashley:

So, so, um, so first and foremost, what put you on a path to this like

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kind of spiritual life and this kind of awakening that you seem to have

Ashley:

had and it's just really beautiful.

Ashley:

So what kind of put you on the path to doing that?

Ashley:

Hmm.

Joya:

Oh boy.

Joya:

Well, uh, honestly, I, I know that I've always been spiritual,

Joya:

but it just went dormant mm-hmm.

Joya:

When I was a kid and probably when I, you know, I remember being really young

Joya:

and being very spiritual, very connected.

Joya:

To guides and angels, and especially Mary Magdalene, like I used to play

Joya:

with her in the woods and I wanted to be a priest when I grew up.

Joya:

I used to line up my stuffed animals and play church with them.

Joya:

And um, you know, and, but then due to a traumatic childhood in my teenage years,

Joya:

all of that just went out the window.

Joya:

Hmm.

Joya:

And I was in survival mode.

Joya:

Right.

Joya:

So, yeah.

Joya:

You know, after I had, I had a near-death experience when I

Joya:

was 21 from a suicide attempt.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

And I heard the most beautiful music of heaven that I've

Joya:

ever heard in my entire life.

Joya:

And I would like to say the next day I picked up my sound

Joya:

bowls and became a sound killer.

Joya:

But that's not what happened.

Joya:

My stubborn self went on a mission of healing, but I was trying

Joya:

to heal rationally, logically.

Joya:

I was trying to heal with my mind, right?

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

I was trying to heal from the point of the ego and trying to solve the

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problems of my spirit, the problems of my soul, utilizing my mind, and so

Joya:

fast forward to having babies, getting married, career burnout, all of that

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pretending to be perfect, like that whole fake facade that people do that I did.

Joya:

Um, I had a stress-induced nervous breakdown about 12 years ago, and wow.

Joya:

I found myself again feeling suicidal again on the verge

Joya:

of, um, just total emptiness.

Joya:

I was drinking a lot.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

I was keeping myself super busy.

Joya:

I was eating a lot, like anything to numb and checkout, and I had two small kids.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

So that was just not exactly the best modeling.

Joya:

Right.

Joya:

So then of course, the voice in my head, because of the things I

Joya:

was doing, the voice in my head, that was always my worst enemy, was

Joya:

saying, you're a terrible mother.

Joya:

This is, you're just like your mom.

Joya:

Your children don't you deserve, they don't even need you.

Joya:

They deserve a better mother.

Joya:

So I was like going off the deep end.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

Um, thankfully I discovered mindfulness-based stress reduction

Joya:

and so I took an M B S R.

Joya:

Of course.

Joya:

And in that eight weeks, I noticed such a profound change in my noticing

Joya:

of my thought processes that I just threw myself into mindfulness.

Joya:

So I'm getting around to answering the question because it's That's okay.

Joya:

I

Ashley:

have now like 17 other questions to ask you.

Joya:

This is important because it's like it this.

Joya:

Hi.

Joya:

This became like the whole focus of my work, because then what happened

Joya:

was after practicing mindfulness and meditation, I accidentally woke up

Joya:

Mm, I accidentally became spiritual.

Joya:

So it was very, very, very unexpected for me to arrive at the place.

Joya:

And I literally, literally remember the first day I was gonna make a

Joya:

spiritual post on my Facebook page.

Joya:

Where up to that point I had been like, neuroscience

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and mindfulness, and this is facts and data

Joya:

and you know, the whole brain thing.

Joya:

And I was like, God.

Joya:

And, uh, it was a totally terrifying leap for me to take, which is so funny because

Joya:

now if you see my Instagram, you can't even imagine that I would've ever, like,

Ashley:

I don't wanna talk about God.

Ashley:

But, but it just

Joya:

became like, you know, I really came to feel like the,

Joya:

the mind can only take us so far.

Joya:

And then we come to this threshold point where, We have to take that leap where

Joya:

Spirit takes us the rest of the way.

Joya:

It's like you've gone as far as you can go with the thinking mind, with the ego,

Joya:

with the noticing, with the awareness.

Joya:

And now are you gonna surrender to something else that you

Joya:

don't, you can't explain.

Joya:

And I said, yes, I'm gonna, I will do that.

Joya:

And it's, and that was in, uh, September of

Ashley:

2018.

Joya:

And then by September of 2019, I had already changed so much.

Joya:

That was when I decided to stop dye my hair.

Joya:

So in that year I changed a lot.

Joya:

Um, but then from 2019 to now, I'm like literally a different reason.

Ashley:

Oh my God.

Ashley:

I, I just, everything you said is like, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

So, oh my God.

Ashley:

So many things.

Ashley:

So first of all, I love, like, I feel like so many, okay, first of all, I.

Ashley:

Like society, like kinda like you said, you're like, you, you know,

Ashley:

you did everything that you were like supposed to do and society tells us

Ashley:

that and people get, so I, me too.

Ashley:

I've gotten so stuck in that sometimes.

Ashley:

So then when I'm not, where I'm supposed to be like, oh, I didn't have kids yet,

Ashley:

I didn't get married or whatever, you start to really feel like you're failing

Ashley:

and like so many people end up staying in that place, you know what I mean?

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And end up with like so many more problems cuz they thought that they

Ashley:

were supposed to be this person when like, you are supposed to be

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whoever you were supposed to be.

Ashley:

N you don't have to do everything the way everybody else told you.

Ashley:

And also, kind of like what you were saying, I've been at that place

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too, where it's like, I literally have been trying to figure this

Ashley:

out and I cannot figure out what to do, so I'm just gonna like, let go.

Ashley:

I always say let go and let God, cuz like I have, I don't know, like,

Ashley:

like this is beyond me at this point.

Ashley:

Like, I can't, earthly me can't fix this.

Ashley:

So like I need.

Ashley:

I need supernatural intervention.

Ashley:

Like, you know what I mean?

Ashley:

Like the

Joya:

only

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thing that will, that will help it.

Ashley:

Really?

Ashley:

Mm-hmm.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

It's insane.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

So like I, oh my God, your story is just really interesting and I feel like.

Ashley:

That resonates with a lot of people, and a lot of people, unfortunately,

Ashley:

sometimes don't get to the point where they can admit to themselves

Ashley:

that they can't handle it.

Ashley:

You know?

Ashley:

And then they always think it's like them.

Ashley:

They're like, oh, it's like kind of like you were saying.

Ashley:

You're like, oh, you got to a point where you're thinking like, oh, I'm a

Ashley:

bad mom and thinking all these things.

Ashley:

It's like, no, it's just like you have a lot, there's just a lot going on.

Ashley:

And sometimes you just need something, some pe and I think it's different

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for everybody, but you were lucky and blessed to find what you needed and

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to then have it evolve to even make a better, you like to make a even more

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healthy, beautiful, even greater version on you and I that is so honorable.

Ashley:

Like I love, I love that about you.

Ashley:

Like that's fantastic.

Ashley:

I'm so glad that I've gotten to know you already.

Ashley:

Like I feel like, I feel like this is great.

Ashley:

Like that.

Ashley:

That is a beautiful, beautiful thing.

Ashley:

So yeah, thanks for sharing that.

Ashley:

And um, you know, the interesting thing

Joya:

I just wanna say is absolutely I don't, I don't feel like I've

Joya:

become a better me or a different me.

Joya:

I feel like I've returned to who I already always was and I just stopped being a.

Joya:

All of the things of my ego.

Joya:

I stopped being my wounding, my wounded past.

Joya:

I stopped being a story of my trauma.

Joya:

I stopped being a story of my epigenetics that were passed down from my mom, from

Joya:

her mom, from her mom, from her mom.

Joya:

I stopped.

Joya:

I stopped being, all of those stories, all of those things, all of those

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false beliefs, everything put on.

Joya:

And it really honestly feels like to me, and maybe it does to you being

Joya:

a spiritual woman too, that that I feel like I've actually woken up.

Joya:

Like when they say awakening, I'm like, it feels like I awakened to this true

Joya:

self that's always been there all along.

Joya:

Like there's a sense of familiarity about it.

Ashley:

Yeah, I, you know what?

Ashley:

That is so, so true.

Ashley:

And like when you're saying that, I'm like, yes, that really does resonate

Ashley:

with me too, because I felt like.

Ashley:

I definitely, I was actually having this conversation another day.

Ashley:

I feel that a lot of people carry, they label themselves kinda

Ashley:

like you were saying just now.

Ashley:

They label themselves by their traumas, by, you know, their ancestral traumas.

Ashley:

And it's like you kind of, and I've done this, I ended up kind of living

Ashley:

that and like anything, anytime something bad happened or like it

Ashley:

didn't work out, I was like, well that's just cuz nothing works out for me.

Ashley:

And like, this is just how it is.

Ashley:

And like, I really was like living my trauma and just being

Ashley:

like, well this is how it is.

Ashley:

And like, not realizing that, number one, I was just being a victim all the time.

Ashley:

Like, and I continuously victimize myself.

Ashley:

Right.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

And then also I always had to be this like martyr.

Ashley:

Like for me it was like I would do all these things and then be

Ashley:

like, oh, nobody cares about me.

Ashley:

Nobody wanted to help me.

Ashley:

But it's like I also just didn't have to do it.

Ashley:

But I was continuous continuing like my own trauma because I like

Ashley:

didn't know how else to deal with it.

Ashley:

And not being in this place of like anger that I was in, I

Ashley:

didn't know how to not be that.

Ashley:

And I didn't know what I would've been.

Ashley:

I was like, I'm afraid.

Ashley:

And I realized that when I started to kinda become more spiritual and learn more

Ashley:

about myself and my ego, I realized how fearful I was of not being angry because

Ashley:

I was like, if I'm not angry, who am I?

Ashley:

I've been angry for so long.

Ashley:

And like that was, so, I had kind of, I had almost like a

Ashley:

spiritual nervous breakdown.

Ashley:

Like I was working with a mentor and I got to this place where

Ashley:

I had to like kind of confront.

Ashley:

Some childhood stuff and realized that like I wasn't

Ashley:

the person who I thought I was.

Ashley:

I was like, oh no, I'm keeping it together.

Ashley:

Like I was not keeping it together at all.

Ashley:

Like I was doing a terrible job.

Ashley:

Everyone saw I was doing a terrible job except me.

Ashley:

I was like, no, everything's fine.

Ashley:

Everyone's like, okay girl.

Ashley:

It's like

Joya:

blind tour stuff.

Joya:

It's so funny.

Joya:

I'm like, nobody knows that I'm drinking wine at three o'clock every day.

Ashley:

Nobody knows that.

Ashley:

I know.

Ashley:

Even when it same, like when I was at way at college for a while, I was like, oh,

Ashley:

I'm fine drinking, drinking, drinking.

Ashley:

Which I wasn't somebody who drank that much, but like, I couldn't stop.

Ashley:

I was drinking and I was like, no, I'm fine.

Ashley:

I would go home like every weekend cuz I was miserable.

Ashley:

But, um, my mom was like, yeah, I thought something was wrong with you.

Ashley:

I was like, really?

Ashley:

She's like, yes, you were miserable.

Ashley:

Like you were so unhappy.

Ashley:

You were arguing with everybody all the time.

Ashley:

So it's like, yeah, we're all so, we're so blind and when we're trying to

Ashley:

cover it up, We think, we always think we're doing a great job, but everyone

Ashley:

around us is like, oh my, is she okay?

Ashley:

Like, what's going on over there?

Ashley:

And that's like, those are the,

Joya:

that's the amazing way that the ego tricks your own self, right?

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

It tricks you And then it's got all these different masks that we hide behind.

Joya:

And it can be like, mine was, I'm gonna be coldhearted and intellectually

Joya:

inte, intellectual and I will just out rationalize you in any argument.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

Versus, versus angry.

Joya:

I met people who are angry or the overemotional victim, you can't

Joya:

say anything to them cuz they're just gonna start crying and

Joya:

afraid to say anything to them.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

So there's like all these different ways and I just really

Joya:

wanna admi like commend you.

Joya:

For taking personal responsibility and seeing, you're like,

Joya:

oh, I mean you're so young.

Joya:

And for you to already pick it up and be like, oh, maybe it's me.

Ashley:

Like that is so awesome.

Ashley:

Thank you.

Ashley:

It trust me.

Ashley:

It took a while and it took a lot of crying for me to be like, huh,

Ashley:

maybe I'm actually doing some of the, some of this to myself.

Ashley:

And I think that I learned so many lessons about like meeting people

Ashley:

where they're at, sometimes realizing that some people are just the way they

Ashley:

are and sometimes you either have to just be like, I'm cutting this person

Ashley:

off and I'm not gonna deal with it.

Ashley:

Or you have to kind of accept it.

Ashley:

You can pick one, either one is fine, whatever the person's situation is.

Ashley:

But like you gotta kind of work through things and not cause the

Ashley:

more you ignore certain things.

Ashley:

The worst it gets.

Ashley:

Like, so I used to be a very, like, I'll just put this on the

Ashley:

back burner and then one day everything just like woo boiled over.

Ashley:

But um,

Joya:

those tolerations right?

Joya:

It's like that what, what we tolerate is what rules aren't life.

Joya:

Ooh.

Joya:

So it's about not tolerating, like taking those tolerations off that

Joya:

we don't, first and foremost, we don't tolerate it from ourself.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

Like we don't sacrifice our wellbeing for somebody else's wellbeing.

Joya:

That

Ashley:

just doesn't make any sense.

Ashley:

I know.

Ashley:

And for so long I thought that sacrificing myself was like love for other people.

Ashley:

I was like, no, this is how I show I love people.

Ashley:

It's just like, I do all this stuff, I burn myself out.

Ashley:

I cry all day because I had to do all this stuff.

Ashley:

But it's just cuz I love them.

Ashley:

But like, that's not love.

Ashley:

And at the end of the day, I feel terrible.

Ashley:

And if people, the people who do really love me, don't want me to do that.

Ashley:

Like, exactly.

Joya:

When did you find, when you were in that energy that

Joya:

you attract energy vampires?

Joya:

Oh,

Ashley:

oh.

Ashley:

So I used to, and my mom will like say to this day, I used to say

Ashley:

to my mom, like, but like, I feel like all I do is give to people and

Ashley:

they don't give me anything back.

Ashley:

And my mom's like, well you don't have to do that.

Ashley:

And I'd be like, no, but I have to cuz I wanna be nice.

Ashley:

And like, you know, it just, but it took me so long to realize it.

Ashley:

And then that I did have so many people in my life who I ended up cutting out

Ashley:

because I realized like, wow, these people actually make me feel bad.

Ashley:

Like, they're not making me feel good and I'm, I'm pouring out for them.

Ashley:

For no reason.

Ashley:

And you know, there's people, of course I pour out for people I love, but

Ashley:

eventually you're just like, oh, these people, they don't love me back and

Ashley:

all they wanna do is take, take, take.

Ashley:

So I'm like, I have to let that go.

Ashley:

Like it was too much.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

And you know the ones you have to let go when you start setting

Joya:

boundaries and they don't like it.

Joya:

Oh, right.

Joya:

That is the truth.

Ashley:

When you start, I realize so many people, the people who I

Ashley:

like, especially friends, like people I'm friends with, when I started

Ashley:

setting boundaries, I had so many people fall off and it was beautiful.

Ashley:

I didn't realize it.

Ashley:

Because I'd be like, oh, you know, I don't talk to so-and-so anymore.

Ashley:

But I realize, wow.

Ashley:

And then the people who I do set boundaries with, and they're like,

Ashley:

yeah, girl, whatever you need.

Ashley:

Like, that's fine.

Ashley:

Okay, cool.

Ashley:

It was like, wow, like you care about me and I care about you.

Ashley:

This is how real relationships are So amazing.

Ashley:

Love that.

Ashley:

I know.

Ashley:

Um, oh, so I also wanted to ask you what, okay, so you, um, are new thought.

Ashley:

New thought, Reverend.

Ashley:

Am I saying that right?

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

What is, what is new thought?

Ashley:

I'm just so interested.

Ashley:

I didn't know.

Ashley:

I don't know anything about that.

Joya:

Oh my gosh.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

New thought came around in the late 18 hundreds and it's pretty

Joya:

much the teachings that everybody's espousing now, the Law of Attraction.

Joya:

Hmm.

Joya:

Like all of that stuff came about in the 18 hundreds.

Joya:

The, the, um, the new, the new Thought Divine Sciences, which I love so much.

Joya:

These sisters started this in Denver in the 18 hundreds, and they were

Joya:

very much about, The omnipresence of God is everywhere and in everyone,

Joya:

and in everything, and it's us.

Joya:

And that we are living expressions of the One Source creator.

Joya:

And when I, I remember when the first time I read that, I was like, this

Joya:

feels like it makes so much sense to me.

Joya:

This feels like it was what Jesus was trying to teach us when

Joya:

he was like, you guys are it.

Joya:

You have it in you.

Joya:

I said, you can do all these things and greater things than I can do.

Joya:

So the new thought teachers are like, um, all of those old timey teachers

Joya:

from the early 19 hundreds, late 18 hundreds, like, uh, Crower, the guy

Joya:

who wrote, um, uh, thinking Grow Rich, like during that whole time, right?

Joya:

So these are all of these teachers, these new thought teachers that

Joya:

came about, but now a hundred years later, It's now picking up, uh, steam

Joya:

and energy that it's like in the common language now for everybody.

Joya:

And I'm like, oh, this is so great.

Ashley:

So yeah, that's who they are.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

So, and that's like a lot of the thought that like, uh, get me,

Ashley:

tell me if I'm wrong, but like, the divine lives within us and like, you

Ashley:

know, I feel like especially back then, that was probably so radical.

Ashley:

Oh, it was so radical.

Ashley:

People were probably so mad.

Ashley:

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Ashley:

Right.

Joya:

It's like, oh, you and yeah, those were the people that were

Joya:

people who were probably like, you're going straight to hell.

Joya:

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Ashley:

yeah.

Ashley:

They were like, wait, we don't like, because I feel like, I feel

Ashley:

very strongly about like, yes, the divine being part of every person.

Ashley:

And also like people pray so much like, oh, we're just gonna pray

Ashley:

to this God, pray, pray, pray.

Ashley:

But I'm like, well, if God is part of you, number one, however you feel

Ashley:

and however you're made is, is good.

Ashley:

Like there's something good.

Ashley:

Even if you feel like you do bad things or whatever.

Ashley:

Um, but also, It takes away that fear.

Ashley:

Some, like I, you know, a lot of churches and, and not just Christian

Ashley:

churches, but all over the world, different religions, they rule by fear.

Ashley:

You will go to this bad place when you die, or this terrible

Ashley:

thing will happen when you die.

Ashley:

You'll come back as a this or whatever.

Ashley:

And it takes away so much of that fear.

Ashley:

It's just like, oh wait, I am part of the divine.

Ashley:

So if I'm just like, cool, I'm like, like everything will be fine.

Ashley:

Even if I just think well and try my best.

Ashley:

Okay.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

It's in you.

Joya:

Right?

Joya:

So it's like, um, my favorite way of saying it was comes from

Joya:

another new thought teacher.

Joya:

And John Randolph Christ.

Joya:

And he said, I was like, that's it right there.

Joya:

And he said, God is all of me, but I am not all of God.

Joya:

So it takes off that whole thing like I'm so a, like, it takes

Joya:

the ego out of the equation.

Joya:

It's like I'm a, I'm the sunbeam of the sun.

Joya:

I'm a drop of the ocean.

Joya:

That doesn't make me the whole ocean.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

All of the ocean in me.

Joya:

It's ingredients are in me, but I'm not the whole ocean.

Joya:

And I feel like the same thing is true of God, that I'm like, God is in me.

Joya:

I God is in you.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

Have that.

Joya:

We have that source in us, which means we have access to it.

Joya:

We can tune into it and.

Joya:

Um, you know, like my whole work now is like your body is a

Joya:

spiritual technology that's exact.

Joya:

I'm like all of my studies in neuroscience and all of my nerding and geeking

Joya:

out for 20 years, I'm like, oh, that was my, and so I could explain it and

Joya:

see and connect it that I'm like, oh, the body's a spiritual technology.

Joya:

We are, we are wired to be connected to sores.

Joya:

When we get our thinking ego out of the way and we stop thinking that we

Ashley:

are it.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Ugh.

Ashley:

And it's so funny, like the amount of, now you obviously have studied things like

Ashley:

this, like neuroscience and quantum stuff.

Ashley:

I don't get it, but you are a very intelligent person and I admire all

Ashley:

the people who do, but all I know is that I hear it like people talk

Ashley:

about quantum physics and stuff and it makes it, I love that people are

Ashley:

studying that, especially people who are kind of spiritually inclined, cuz

Ashley:

it really is bringing that bridge to people be like, well I don't get it.

Ashley:

There's no like science and faith.

Ashley:

But I'm like, no, but there's tons.

Ashley:

I don't understand it, but there's tons of people who are

Ashley:

studying it and it sounds like.

Ashley:

There's, you know, correlation.

Ashley:

So it's really, really neat.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

I just have it As you know, people, ancient spiritual teachers who've been

Joya:

teaching this stuff for eons, learned it through lived experience through

Joya:

practices, and then they became it, right?

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

So they became, they got in touch with this energy.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

And so then as scientists study all this stuff, then all they're doing is

Joya:

validating what spiritual teachers have already known from with experience.

Joya:

They're just explaining how it's done.

Joya:

Although, except in the case of quantum physics, they're

Joya:

pretty much like, we don't know.

Joya:

We have no idea.

Joya:

We don't know.

Joya:

We just know that this is what happens.

Joya:

And all of us spiritual people are like, yep.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

We're like, well, we, we kind of know.

Ashley:

They're like, yeah, but it's a mystery.

Ashley:

We're like, well, it's kind of a mystery, but I dunno.

Ashley:

That's awesome that, I love

Joya:

that so many of them have come to the conclusion

Joya:

that there has to be a creator.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

Like it's just so mathematically perfect.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

And

Joya:

so mysterious and so vast and incomprehensible that they're like,

Joya:

it's just not, it's not all an accident.

Joya:

There's no

Ashley:

way.

Ashley:

It's, it's insane.

Ashley:

Even when I was, In like college, I took like anatomy and when I was

Ashley:

learning anatomy, I would be like, what?

Ashley:

Like every the way everything is just connected in your body and works together.

Ashley:

I'm just like, this is insane.

Ashley:

It makes no sense like that somebody was just like, you know what I'm gonna do?

Ashley:

I'm gonna, your heart's gonna pump this way, but it's gonna deliver

Ashley:

all this blood to all here, but then it's also gonna do this.

Ashley:

And then this is, it's like, come on.

Ashley:

Like it doesn't, no person is this smart, right.

Ashley:

To create that.

Ashley:

Exactly.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

There's still exactly, there's things in your body that people still, doctors

Ashley:

still don't understand why it happens.

Ashley:

They're like, this just happens sometimes.

Ashley:

It's insane.

Ashley:

Mm.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

And there is no such thing as junk d n A.

Joya:

I'm like, no, it's it.

Joya:

It got disconnected somehow.

Joya:

But it's not junk.

Ashley:

No.

Ashley:

Everything.

Ashley:

Everything has a purpose and that's what's, it's just amazing.

Ashley:

Beautiful.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Oh gosh.

Ashley:

So this is great.

Ashley:

So, okay, so we're gonna go on to our next part of the show.

Ashley:

We're gonna talk about food now.

Ashley:

Very exciting.

Ashley:

My favorite subject.

Ashley:

So, um, we're every week we have a dish of the week, and I know

Ashley:

you said you're vegan, right?

Ashley:

Most of the time.

Ashley:

I do Most of

Joya:

the time, every now and then, but no problem.

Joya:

90%.

Ashley:

Vegan.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Sounds awesome.

Ashley:

Um, so I was like, let me pick a dish for her as vegan.

Ashley:

And I know you recently went to Egypt.

Ashley:

I did, yes.

Ashley:

I saw your pictures on Instagram.

Ashley:

Beautiful.

Ashley:

So I was like, all right, we're gonna do some Egyptian food cuz

Ashley:

you'll see why we're also talking about some Egyptian stuff later on.

Ashley:

So I found this dish that sounds really good.

Ashley:

It's called FMA Mud Mu FMAs.

Ashley:

I phonetically wrote it out.

Ashley:

Sorry to anybody who actually speaks Arabic.

Ashley:

I apologize.

Ashley:

I am not an Arabic speaker.

Ashley:

Um, so this is basically Stew Flava means, which are broad beans and it's

Ashley:

typically seasoned with a little ground human finished with extra olive oil.

Ashley:

And in Egypt they serve it with warm pizza bread and they sometimes

Ashley:

jazz it up with like lemon juice.

Ashley:

Fresh veggies and herbs and um, I got this all from the website

Ashley:

called , the Mediterranean dish.

Ashley:

All the links to everything I talk about will be in the show notes.

Ashley:

Oh, you're amazing.

Ashley:

I know it

Joya:

sounds I had that when I was in Egypt and it is so

Ashley:

good.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

So yeah, I was like, oh, she probably had this, because I think it said, I

Ashley:

don't know if it was Egypt's, national dish or just a really popular dish.

Ashley:

Yeah, very common.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

Yeah, it sounds really, really good.

Ashley:

So yeah, you make it with a skillet and they warm it up with salt and cumin.

Ashley:

, you use a potato masher to mash the beans and then a with a mortar and pestle,

Ashley:

you have hot peppers and garlic, and then you add the hot peppers and garlic

Ashley:

to beans, and then you have pita bread and you can put sliced veggies in it.

Ashley:

All is sounds freaking delicious.

Ashley:

So good.

Ashley:

You're making me hungry.

Ashley:

I know.

Ashley:

I was like, oh, this sounds so good.

Ashley:

, so then to go with that, we have our drink of the week and our drink of the week.

Ashley:

It's called Sal Lab and this is an Egyptian hot creamy drink.

Ashley:

And this is also, a vegan drink too.

Ashley:

So it's very also very popular.

Ashley:

Apparently in Turkey it's one fourth cup water, one and a half tablespoons

Ashley:

of corn flour, one teaspoon of sugar, one tablespoon, sorry, one

Ashley:

teaspoon of rose water and cinnamon powder and crushed pistachios.

Ashley:

Ooh.

Ashley:

Which also sounds really good., There is.

Ashley:

When I found this, I was like, I have to mention this.

Ashley:

I live in New Jersey.

Ashley:

There is a Persian restaurant in Morristown, New Jersey, and

Ashley:

they serve rosewater ice cream.

Ashley:

Ooh.

Ashley:

It's amazing.

Ashley:

The first time I went there I was like, I'll try it.

Ashley:

It was so good.

Ashley:

I have to go back cuz it's like Wow, problem.

Ashley:

It's so good.

Ashley:

Oh

Joya:

my gosh.

Joya:

I'm like, I don't eat ice cream, but uh, like a rosewater gelato would be, so,

Ashley:

Hmm.

Ashley:

That sounds really good.

Ashley:

Doesn't that sound

Joya:

amazing?

Joya:

I'm gonna find out.

Joya:

I'm writing myself a note to

Ashley:

find out.

Ashley:

I know there's gotta be a way.

Ashley:

There has to be.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Anything with, yeah, anything with rose water is good.

Ashley:

anyway, so, so those are our two dishes.

Ashley:

So, um, this is a point of the show where I tell you that if you are

Ashley:

enjoying what I'm talking about, you can follow me on, , anywhere

Ashley:

you follow, you get your podcast.

Ashley:

You can subscribe, you can leave me a five star rating if you really like the show.

Ashley:

And, you can follow me on any socials.

Ashley:

I'm dying with Divine on Instagram.

Ashley:

And if you wanna follow me personally, I'm Sankofa, H s s

Ashley:

a n k o f a h s on Instagram.

Ashley:

And if you have any questions, comments, suggestions for the show,

Ashley:

you can always email us at dine with the divine pod gmail.com and at the

Ashley:

end we're gonna go into all of Joy's stuff so that you can follow her too.

Ashley:

Now we'll get onto our next topic.

Ashley:

So, so this part of the show, I like to call it like tee time.

Ashley:

So we kind of do like a little educational thing.

Ashley:

So I looked up a bunch of stuff, everything I looked up like, and

Ashley:

I was reading about you and you mentioned earlier that you do a lot

Ashley:

of work with Mary Magdalene or that you really enjoyed working with her.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

So I went on this deep dive.

Ashley:

On Mary Magdalene and my God, I was shocked.

Ashley:

You're

Joya:

talking about my favorite subject.

Ashley:

Okay, awesome.

Ashley:

This is so exciting.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

I was okay.

Ashley:

I furiously started texting my friend who is um, very Catholic, um, but she's

Ashley:

a very cool Catholic, she's very liberal.

Ashley:

Um, and I was like, did you know that Mary Magdalene wasn't even not prostitute?

Ashley:

And she's like, yes, Ashley, everybody knew this.

Ashley:

And I was like, oh great.

Ashley:

Um, I was like, I guess I have the last, everybody now I know she

Ashley:

didn't actually say it, but the way she's like, nicest person on earth.

Ashley:

But in my head I'm like, she thinks I'm dumb, but she didn't.

Ashley:

Um, she's so sweet.

Ashley:

Um, so basically I found out that um, Mary of Magdala, which is like

Ashley:

technically where she was from, is called Magdala and it was a town

Ashley:

near the, I'll find it in my notes.

Ashley:

Just gimme a minute.

Ashley:

Anyway, that's the town she's from.

Ashley:

If you didn't know, cuz I didn't, , she is extremely misunderstood and.

Ashley:

There's a lot of things.

Ashley:

We're gonna go into it right now.

Ashley:

So this is a quote from an article in the Smithsonian Magazine that I found.

Ashley:

It's called Who is Mary Magdalene by James Carroll.

Ashley:

So I'm just gonna read this quote and then we're gonna talk more.

Ashley:

So here we go.

Ashley:

It starts with, from the New Testament, one can conclude that Mary

Ashley:

of Magdala, her hometown, a village on the shore of the Sea of Galilee.

Ashley:

Was a leading figure among those who attracted to Jesus when the

Ashley:

men in that company abandoned him at his hour of moral danger.

Ashley:

Mary of Magdala was one of the women who stayed with him even to the crucifixion.

Ashley:

She was present at the tomb, the first person whom Jesus appeared to after his

Ashley:

resurrection and the first to preach the quote, good news of that miracle.

Ashley:

These are among the few specific assertions made of Mary Magdalene

Ashley:

in the gospels from other texts of the early Christian era.

Ashley:

It seems that her status as a apostle in the years after Jesus' death rivaled

Ashley:

even that of Peter, that prominence, that prominence derived from the intimacy

Ashley:

of her relationship with Jesus, which according to some, had a physical

Ashley:

aspect, including kissing beginning.

Ashley:

With the threads of these few statements of the earliest Christian records

Ashley:

dating to the first through third centuries, an elaborate tapestry was

Ashley:

woven leading to a portrait of St.

Ashley:

Mary Magdalene, in which most consequential note that she

Ashley:

was a repugnant prostitute is almost certainly untrue.

Ashley:

On the false note hangs the dual news to which her legend has been put ever since.

Ashley:

Discredit, discrediting sexuality in general and

Ashley:

disempowering women in particular.

Ashley:

So I read more into the article and I'll read more of stuff

Ashley:

later, but the first thing that made me angry, which is multiple.

Ashley:

The first thing that made me angry.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

I was like, what?

Ashley:

So the first thing that made me angry is that like, okay, let's

Ashley:

talk about the first thing is that there's Mad Marys in the gospel.

Ashley:

So there's multiple Marys and.

Ashley:

They talk about in the article how Mary Magdalene like the gospels, which are

Ashley:

the first four books of the New Testament.

Ashley:

The canonical gospels.

Ashley:

Exactly.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

This, see, this is why I was like, I can't wait to talk to you about it

Ashley:

cuz you know this way better than me.

Ashley:

This is great.

Joya:

I love that you know this and you're bringing it up.

Ashley:

Ok, good.

Ashley:

I had no idea what we were gonna talk about, so awesome.

Ashley:

Good.

Ashley:

That's why I like to be a surprise, but I was like, okay, she knows

Ashley:

a lot more about this than so we'll have a good conversation.

Ashley:

Um, so they were written like 35 some 65 years after, um, Christ was resurrected.

Ashley:

So, um, the thing is if you think back 35 years, I'm like, oh, my memory might

Ashley:

be a little hazy of what had happened.

Ashley:

Now it's not that everyone's memory, they didn't know what happened, but

Ashley:

like I said, there's like five Marys.

Ashley:

Hanging out.

Ashley:

I'll tell you, hold on.

Ashley:

We have Mary, who's Jesus's mom.

Ashley:

Everybody knows, , Virgin Mary.

Ashley:

Then we have Mary of Bethany, who is the sister of a different Mary and Lazarus.

Ashley:

Then we have Mary, the mother of James and Joseph, and we

Ashley:

have Mary the wife of Clo Pass.

Ashley:

And I don't know who Clo PAs is, but that's fine.

Ashley:

She's somewhere in the gospels.

Ashley:

So because we have, and then we have Mary Magdalene, because there were

Ashley:

so many Marys, they kind of mixed up some of the stories kind of, and when

Ashley:

we read it, we don't know which Mary sometimes they were really talking

Ashley:

to, because when they wrote everything down, their memory wasn't as clear

Ashley:

as it was when it initially happened.

Ashley:

So a lot of things kind of got mixed up.

Ashley:

And then Mary Magdalene's story kind of got mixed up in everybody else's story.

Ashley:

So that's just part of it.

Ashley:

Like there's a way more, but it's like, so we don't know purely like her

Ashley:

line of what exactly happened with her except for certain things we do know.

Ashley:

She was the first person to see Jesus after he resurrected.

Ashley:

And we know she was the last one to leave cuz she was a right or die.

Ashley:

She was like a friend like no other.

Ashley:

So the other thing is also if.

Ashley:

So if anybody is listening to this, and you guys don't know

Ashley:

when they made the Bible, there was tons of books in the Bible.

Ashley:

Oh yeah.

Ashley:

There was Mad books.

Ashley:

And we might just have an episode about that because it's, it's Wild guys.

Ashley:

There was mad books and they had to pick and choose which ones were

Ashley:

gonna be part of the official bible.

Ashley:

And that was, uh, Constantine, I think.

Ashley:

Correct.

Ashley:

In the year 3 25.

Ashley:

Perfect.

Ashley:

Thank you so much.

Ashley:

Oh my God, I'm so bad with gates.

Ashley:

Thank you.

Ashley:

You're the best.

Ashley:

Um, I just, I only remember people.

Ashley:

I never remember dates, so, yeah.

Ashley:

Oh God, joy, you're so great.

Ashley:

Okay, so, yes.

Ashley:

So Constantine, he had a council, correct?

Ashley:

Right?

Ashley:

Yep.

Ashley:

The nice council.

Ashley:

Yes, the council ea And they all decided which books were gonna be in the Bible.

Ashley:

Now remember, there's two things at play here.

Ashley:

More than two things, but two big things.

Ashley:

Number one, We have to politically decide what's gonna be in there because we can't

Ashley:

have people thinking they're too free.

Ashley:

Especially not ladies, you know, like we gotta suppress the ladies a little bit.

Ashley:

We can't do that.

Ashley:

And also we have to pick and choose what we wanna translate,

Ashley:

what sounds right to us.

Ashley:

Oh, and the second, that brings me to the second thing.

Ashley:

Translation.

Ashley:

A lot of things were not okay.

Ashley:

For instance, there's words in our language that maybe if you went

Ashley:

to, I don't know, Mongolia, they don't have a word for, or they have

Ashley:

words that we don't have words for.

Ashley:

So we end up.

Ashley:

Changing those words.

Ashley:

oh, very good example is right now I'm teaching like a, a

Ashley:

course on ancestor reverence.

Ashley:

And the way we speak about ancestors in the western world, we say worship, but

Ashley:

it's not worship that you're trying to do.

Ashley:

It's reverence saying like, oh, we revere these people, we respect them,

Ashley:

but we don't have a proper word like they do in some cultures to describe

Ashley:

how they treat their ancestors.

Ashley:

So when early Christians went to these cultures, they're like,

Ashley:

oh, they worshiped dead people.

Ashley:

But that's not what they were doing.

Ashley:

They made altars because they're like, no, these, these are people who have

Ashley:

died and they're closer to our creator than we are, so we just respect them.

Ashley:

So it's that kind of thing.

Ashley:

So when they had to translate the Bible, they had to translate

Ashley:

it for political reasons.

Ashley:

They had to translate it for what was gonna work best for them.

Ashley:

And then I.

Ashley:

Sometimes the translations weren't that great.

Ashley:

Like, oh my gosh, it

Joya:

was translated from Aramaic to Greek to English.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Hello.

Ashley:

Right.

Ashley:

And then later on every 500 years I think they say a language completely changes.

Ashley:

So now you've translated it from three languages.

Ashley:

Now you keep going, keep going, keep going.

Ashley:

Then they translated probably to Latin, cuz you know, back then everybody was

Ashley:

speaking Latin in the medieval times.

Ashley:

There was only certain people remember back then who could even read.

Ashley:

Right.

Ashley:

So because, so because of that everybody kind of got to say what they wanted.

Ashley:

Like, oh this is in the Bible.

Ashley:

Oh this is in the Bible.

Ashley:

Like, well cuz everybody couldn't read it.

Ashley:

So anyway, this is the story of the Bible.

Ashley:

So things got really muddied.

Ashley:

Right.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

So we find out later on Also, Mary had a whole book.

Ashley:

Yes, yes.

Ashley:

So let me find this in my notes, because it was fascinating.

Ashley:

There was a whole book for Mary, but then they kind of just didn't care about it.

Ashley:

Like I said, there's a bunch of books they didn't add into the Bible.

Ashley:

Some stories,

Joya:

definitely not.

Joya:

The one from the female apostle that was not

Ashley:

getting in there.

Ashley:

No, they said, Parone, we're taking

Joya:

that out and we're the prostitute instead.

Ashley:

Yeah, absolutely.

Ashley:

Because like, what's easier, and then,

Ashley:

so there's a part in the, the Mary's part of the Bible where I can't

Ashley:

find, oh, well, what Mary says.

Ashley:

She's talking to Peter.

Ashley:

All right.

Ashley:

Peter's one of the other apostles and she's Michelle apostle.

Ashley:

Oh, hello.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

I didn't even know.

Ashley:

So Peter was like, Okay, so Peter says to Mary in this line, he says,

Ashley:

sister, we know that the savior loved you more than all other women.

Ashley:

Tell us the words of which a . Savior, that you remember the

Ashley:

things which, you know, that we don't because we haven't heard them.

Ashley:

So Mary responded, I will teach you about what is hidden from you.

Ashley:

And she begins to speak all these words.

Ashley:

So Mary starts, she had a vision.

Ashley:

She's telling everybody, you guys, Jesus told me some stuff.

Ashley:

It was wild.

Ashley:

Let me tell you, guess who gets mad?

Ashley:

Like you just said Peter.

Ashley:

Cause Peter's like, wait a minute.

Ashley:

Are you telling me that Jesus like you better than us?

Ashley:

But then I think it was Simon.

Ashley:

Yeah, I think Simon was like, wait, Peter, shut up.

Ashley:

Because all she's doing is just if, if Jesus told her something

Ashley:

worth of value, why can't she talk?

Ashley:

Why are you getting mad?

Ashley:

But Peter was mad.

Ashley:

Human bitch ass.

Ashley:

That's okay.

Ashley:

So sorry.

Ashley:

No, I'm not trying to be rude.

Ashley:

But he gets really mad.

Ashley:

And then goes on to talk about all these other things, but kind

Ashley:

of starts leaving mariet of the narrative, which is not fair.

Ashley:

Hold on.

Ashley:

There's so much here.

Ashley:

I have to just talk about this other thing.

Ashley:

So anyway, so they leave Mary Eye the narrative.

Ashley:

They get rid of her book.

Ashley:

Actually her book turned up in like an Egyptian market in, the late 18 hundreds.

Ashley:

I think it was 1895.

Ashley:

And they found it, but it was all tattered.

Ashley:

So they tried to retrieve it and translate it and they, they have it.

Ashley:

There is somebody who made a translation of it so you can find it.

Ashley:

But again, they didn't include that in the, Bible for obvious reasons,

Ashley:

because they were not gonna say that there is a woman who was allowed to

Ashley:

be at that level with the apostles.

Ashley:

And they talk about in this article how there was actually a lot of

Ashley:

people who are Jesus' friends.

Ashley:

He had, they just kind of settled on the number 12, but they were like,

Ashley:

he had a lot of men and women who were his friends who like hung out

Ashley:

with him and really supported him.

Ashley:

Yes, yes.

Ashley:

And so then we get to the part about.

Ashley:

It's the prostitute thing.

Ashley:

All right.

Ashley:

There's a couple things going on here.

Ashley:

There is a part of Jesus' story where they talk about how he had

Ashley:

some female attendants and each of the female attendants, he

Ashley:

cast out demons from them, right?

Ashley:

But those demons, and they talk about could have been physical ailments.

Ashley:

They didn't necessarily have to be moral ailments, but in order to, again,

Ashley:

suppress women, they have to boil them always down to the sexual part of them.

Ashley:

So they're like, yeah, they're like, oh, she had a demonn.

Ashley:

It must have been cuz she was a, a whore.

Ashley:

Like, no, like some of these people may have had illnesses, even

Ashley:

something like a mental illness, maybe depression, things like that.

Ashley:

And he healed them from that.

Ashley:

But everything had to be boiled down to her sexuality because how

Ashley:

dare she have be a more complex being than just being sexual.

Ashley:

And the, the other thing that makes me incredibly angry is that with all

Ashley:

of this, you think like the church had such a chance to be liberal

Ashley:

and to be, you know what I mean?

Ashley:

Like such a chance to show that like, women could be so many things, but instead

Ashley:

they were like, no, no, no, no, no.

Ashley:

Because we don't want the ladies to think for themselves and we don't want

Ashley:

them to wanna be the Pope or be priest.

Ashley:

And it's almost just silly and it's sad because this is thousands of years now

Ashley:

of like the patriarchy in Christianity that has affected so many parts of the

Ashley:

world that could have been so different.

Ashley:

Right.

Ashley:

You know what I mean?

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

Oh totally.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

And um, so my trip that I went on to Egypt mm-hmm.

Joya:

Was actually, In on a spiritual pilgrimage following Mary Magdalene.

Joya:

Mm.

Joya:

Because she was a scent priestess.

Joya:

She was a mirror for mm-hmm.

Joya:

Which is why the story in the Bible of her washing Jesus' feet and the oil with

Joya:

her hair and they all got angry because how dare she used a whole jar of alabaster

Ashley:

alabaster

Joya:

jar oil on his feet.

Joya:

Who is this woman?

Joya:

Because, and what she was doing was anointing him because Spikenard is the oil

Joya:

that ushers your soul to the other side.

Joya:

And so since they knew he was going to be crucified, she was anointing him for

Joya:

his upcoming journey to the other side.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

And so, you know, she actually studied in the temple of Isis.

Joya:

Mm.

Joya:

With the goddesses or the priestesses who studied sound.

Joya:

There were sound healers who studied in Egypt.

Joya:

There were scent priestesses who studied in Egypt.

Joya:

They were very revered women.

Joya:

Back in those days, they were healers and they studied at, um, Alexandria.

Joya:

And so these women were very powerful women.

Joya:

They were very powerful women.

Joya:

And, um, Magdalo where Mary Magdalene was from was actually a re a rebels port.

Joya:

I don't know if you

Ashley:

read that part in there.

Ashley:

I did not.

Ashley:

Yes.

Joya:

It was where all of the outliers and rebels went who were

Joya:

rebelling against the government who were like, they were fighting back.

Joya:

And so of course, Jesus wound up there because Jesus was a rebel.

Joya:

He went Yes.

Joya:

Part of revolution.

Joya:

And his revolution was teaching people to awaken.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

He was teaching people to get in touch with God within themselves,

Joya:

that they have this power in them that they all have access to.

Joya:

Um, a lot of people believe that he and Mary Magdalene were actually married.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

And that there's a child who came out of that we, that wedlock, Mary Magdalene

Joya:

actually fled, uh, persecution after.

Joya:

Jesus's death and she went to um, France.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

And so you can go to the caves there where she was.

Joya:

And there's lots of churches there dedicated to her.

Joya:

And ironically, it's actually where, uh, they believe that Mary Magdalene was not

Joya:

a white woman, which of course she wasn't.

Joya:

They were in the Middle East, so hello.

Joya:

But that they have the black Madonna there.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

So she and a lot of people believe that she actually originated from Ethiopia.

Ashley:

Wow.

Ashley:

That she was an

Joya:

Ethiopian priestess who traveled up to Egypt and to study mm-hmm.

Ashley:

In Egypt.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Wow.

Ashley:

That makes, I mean, that makes sense to me.

Ashley:

Makes sense to me too.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Makes complete sense

Joya:

to me.

Joya:

Makes perfect sense to me.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

It's, yeah, it's, oh God, it's, it's, it's just fascinating cuz I'm

Ashley:

like, after all this time, we're still not telling people this.

Ashley:

I was like, nobody knows, like, I mean, people know obviously, but like this isn't

Ashley:

widely known stuff unless you look for it.

Ashley:

Right, right.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Or you know, somebody like Joya who knows about this stuff.

Ashley:

Like if you don't or my friend Jillian, a long time.

Ashley:

Exactly.

Ashley:

And there's actually a church

Joya:

window in Scotland that, that was, um, I think the church was built in the

Joya:

17 hundreds that depicts Jesus and Mary as husband and wife, and she's pregnant.

Ashley:

Hmm.

Ashley:

Interesting.

Ashley:

Right?

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

I'm telling you, there's a lot.

Ashley:

It's, it's just, it's so controlled what they want you to know, but like, there's

Ashley:

so much, if you just dig a little bit, now that I've done a little bit of

Ashley:

like, not compared to what you've done, but like done a tiny bit of research.

Ashley:

I was like, wow, this is crazy.

Ashley:

It's

Joya:

opened up a rabbit hole of all of this information

Joya:

and it does make you angry.

Joya:

It's like all of this, all of this information has been so suppressed

Joya:

and the power of women and the power of sacred sexuality and the power

Joya:

that women have to, you know, that we are the activators of the men.

Joya:

We need each other, right?

Joya:

We need the divine women and the divine masculine and that like, you know, like

Joya:

when I was in, in Egypt and they were talking about Queen Nefertiti, that she

Joya:

was the favorite wife because of the fact that she was so enlightened and so wise.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

So the king relied on her so much for her wisdom because she imbued it.

Joya:

To him, just by the very nature of who she was.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

And that's what women do.

Joya:

That's exactly what we do, is imbue other people with the vibration of who we are.

Joya:

And men pick it up by osmosis of the women that they're around.

Ashley:

Perfect.

Ashley:

Thank you.

Ashley:

You're very good at speaking.

Ashley:

They think the way you say things, it's like, yes, it's my passion.

Ashley:

I love this topic.

Ashley:

I'm so happy.

Ashley:

I love this topic.

Ashley:

Yeah, that is, and yes, everything you said, yes.

Ashley:

And then also there's like another reason I, it's also in this article

Ashley:

that I read, they talk about, um, the reason they wanted to kind of sexualize

Ashley:

her or make her seem like, and when I say sexualized, it's not in a good way.

Ashley:

They wanted to make her seem like she was a degenerate or something that,

Ashley:

because sex is bad, I guess, to them because they want to be weird about it.

Ashley:

But, um, like so right.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

I'm like, sex is fine, but whatever.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

I'm not gonna go down that rabbit hole right now.

Ashley:

Um, but also because Jesus was so, he respected women so much

Ashley:

and he never looked at them as like, like I said before, he had

Ashley:

all these followers and friends.

Ashley:

They were women and men.

Ashley:

He didn't treat them different because some were men and some were women.

Ashley:

He didn't care.

Joya:

Yeah, no.

Joya:

And he was in a scene.

Joya:

Right.

Joya:

He was from the ASCE culture.

Joya:

And so in the ASCE communities, men and women were totally equal.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

They all sat around having intellectual discourse and talking about things and

Joya:

learning and studying the ways of nature.

Joya:

They actually were followers of, of what they called the way.

Joya:

Mm.

Joya:

And they knew, they knew things that we now verify, of course,

Joya:

with science and with psychology.

Joya:

Like they knew to keep your mind and your thoughts occupied and

Joya:

busy and focusing on things.

Joya:

Otherwise, the mind left.

Joya:

Of on its own, just runs amok.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

And it starts believing itself.

Joya:

Instead of, you start telling yourself a story and believing that story rather

Joya:

than your, you consciously telling yourself what you want to think.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

And that's a totally different vibration.

Joya:

Right.

Joya:

And so Jesus actually came from that culture.

Joya:

He was in a scene, his parents were a scenes.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

And so it's, you know, that's why he met Mary the Magula

Joya:

because she was a priestess.

Joya:

She worked in the same kind of field of energy work.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

Yes, yes.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

I love this.

Ashley:

Um, but.

Ashley:

Okay, so everybody, this is my thing.

Ashley:

If you don't know all this stuff, please look it up.

Ashley:

Um, like I said, I have two articles on there, one's from the Smithsonian

Ashley:

and one is from somebody who is a doctor of, I think, religion in Canada.

Ashley:

I found a really good article that she wrote, so there's tons of

Ashley:

information about this out there.

Ashley:

If you're interested in reading more about Mary Magdalene, um,

Joya:

Dr.

Joya:

Elaine PAs, also p a g e l S.

Joya:

She's phenomenal.

Joya:

And she's the one who interpreted the books of, uh, the Naja scriptures.

Joya:

So she helped with the interpretations of those.

Joya:

Books that were found in Egypt.

Joya:

So she's, oh my gosh.

Joya:

She talks about Mary Magdalene so much and, um, what the

Joya:

misappropriation of women, period.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

Who, how, you know, the power of women and how we were persecuted

Joya:

is, and put down and murdered.

Joya:

Yeah.

Joya:

For being witches.

Joya:

For being witches.

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

For being midwives.

Joya:

For being stewards of nature.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

So,

Ashley:

yeah.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

So after this is done, I'm gonna get the spelling for that and I'm gonna put a

Ashley:

link to that person's page in there too.

Ashley:

Awesome.

Ashley:

So you guys can look stuff up.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

So, because I don't wanna, I wanna honor your time too, we're gonna

Ashley:

move on to our, our last topic here.

Ashley:

So in this podcast, what I'm gonna do is tell you a story and because

Ashley:

you went to Egypt, Egypt, we're gonna talk about ISIS and Ozy.

Ashley:

This is, Ooh.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

So this is a story, and you mean of the story.

Ashley:

Lot of people are, I'm wearing a goddess ISIS necklace.

Ashley:

Ooh.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

I'm so glad this is so, okay.

Ashley:

This is fantastic.

Ashley:

I'm so happy.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

I'm so happy this is working out.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

So, all right.

Ashley:

So you may have heard this story, and there's different versions of this story

Ashley:

everywhere, but this is the story, the version that I like, and I kind of put

Ashley:

different parts in it, but I also put links to, there is a big version of it.

Ashley:

Um, this podcast I listened to called Mythology.

Ashley:

So there's links in the show notes to that too.

Ashley:

So we'll talk about, this is a story of Isis and o Cyrus.

Ashley:

Well, this is a story of everybody, a lot of the Egyptian gods.

Ashley:

So you're gonna see how this goes.

Ashley:

Okay?

Ashley:

And here we go.

Ashley:

So, in the beginning, there was nothing okay, nothing.

Ashley:

And yes, there was nothing.

Ashley:

And then we have aum.

Ashley:

So there was a God named Aum and he created himself out of literally nothing.

Ashley:

So he's Aam walking around and then he got bored one day and he is like, I

Ashley:

think I need other gods to hang out with.

Ashley:

And I have none and I'm so bored.

Ashley:

So Aam created two Gods Shu and Tef Newt.

Ashley:

And Tefnut Shu is a God now of ar and Tefnut became the goddess of water

Ashley:

and as was the tradition in Egypt.

Ashley:

And you see it go on and on and on.

Ashley:

We have brothers and sisters that get married and have kids, but at

Ashley:

this point there's only two people.

Ashley:

What are you gonna do?

Ashley:

They kind of have to, , So they got together and they had two other kids.

Ashley:

So they had Gbb and they had Newt.

Ashley:

Gbb is the god of the earth.

Ashley:

Newt is the god of the sky, goddess of the sky.

Ashley:

So at this point, atom's watching his kids and his grandkids running around

Ashley:

and he's like, oh my God, I'm so happy.

Ashley:

I love them so much, so great.

Ashley:

So here we go, Otto's tiering.

Ashley:

And all of a sudden, I don't know, he's a God.

Ashley:

So his tears create people.

Ashley:

Great.

Ashley:

This is awesome.

Ashley:

I can't even, so, so now he has people and the people are walking around and they're

Ashley:

having a great time and everybody's fine.

Ashley:

Um, but then Otto got pissed off because he's like, you know what?

Ashley:

These people aren't worshiping me the way I thought they were gonna.

Ashley:

He's like, what?

Ashley:

What's going on?

Ashley:

I thought they were gonna be creating temples and giving me offerings,

Ashley:

and they're just down there laughing and they're not talking to me.

Ashley:

So you know what I've decided I'm gonna torture them.

Ashley:

Like, okay, bro, that was a lot.

Ashley:

But okay, so he gets his granddaughter, Newt This's, a goddess

Ashley:

of the sky, and he is like, Newt, you're gonna do something for me.

Ashley:

You're gonna make the date, you're gonna make the sky so clear and

Ashley:

you're gonna make my race so powerful that it's just gonna burn

Ashley:

people and dry up all the water.

Ashley:

Newt was like, I really don't feel like doing this right now.

Ashley:

And he's like, well, you have to because you're my granddaughter and I'm, I created

Ashley:

myself outta nothing, so you better do it.

Ashley:

And she's like, fine.

Ashley:

She's like, okay, fine.

Ashley:

So she does it.

Ashley:

So she's doing this for a while.

Ashley:

She's like, I really hate doing this when I'm doing it.

Ashley:

And then after a while, Otten then gets mad at Newt cuz he's like,

Ashley:

whoa, Newt is like super powerful.

Ashley:

And one day she could maybe have kids that are power more powerful than me.

Ashley:

So he's like, okay Newt, I have a decree you can't have

Ashley:

kids on any day of the year.

Ashley:

And Newt was like, what?

Ashley:

That's so weird.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

So he's like, yep, that's what I'm telling you.

Ashley:

And that's the rule.

Ashley:

So what did Newt do?

Ashley:

She's the guy of the sky.

Ashley:

She's like, I think I'm just gonna make more days.

Ashley:

I'm gonna make, so she made three more days.

Ashley:

So on the first day she had a little bean boy and his name was Osiris.

Ashley:

And all of a sudden outta nowhere, all the gods heard of voice, they

Ashley:

don't know where this voice came from.

Ashley:

And it said this is the Lord of all and he's gonna be a great and.

Ashley:

loved King.

Ashley:

Nobody knows where this voice came from, but now AAM is scared cuz

Ashley:

Aam has never heard this voice.

Ashley:

He doesn't know what's going on, but he realizes like, Ooh, or Cyrus might

Ashley:

take over from me, but I'm just not gonna worry about this right now.

Ashley:

So then the next day she had two twins, ISIS and the Bedhead.

Ashley:

So ISIS and the Bedhead were complete opposites in every way.

Ashley:

Isis was loving and kind.

Ashley:

She's the goddess of magic, the goddess of nature of healing.

Ashley:

The bedhead didn't really care about anything.

Ashley:

She was kind of just into herself.

Ashley:

She wasn't really bad, but she just didn't care.

Ashley:

Like she wasn't really in anything.

Ashley:

She's just like, whatever.

Ashley:

I'm just here.

Ashley:

I'm also a goddess, which is cool, but I'm just like, whatever.

Ashley:

I'm for myself.

Ashley:

So then on the third day, She had another baby and this baby's name

Ashley:

was set and set was kind of a jerk.

Ashley:

He loved to play tricks on the other gods.

Ashley:

He loved to run around and um, just cause chaos all the time.

Ashley:

And everybody knew this, but they just kind of let him do it cuz they

Ashley:

didn't know what else to do and he's a God, how much can you do?

Ashley:

So again, as was the custom, uh, Osiris ended up marrying Isis and the behead

Ashley:

ended up marrying Seth, um, because Osiris also was super, super sweet.

Ashley:

Again the opposite of his brother Seth.

Ashley:

And, um, so they got married.

Ashley:

Now life is going on and because Isis is such like a sweet and good person, and

Ashley:

so was O Cyrus, they both really hated the fact that AAM was torturing people.

Ashley:

He's like, there's no reason for this, like, This is terrible.

Ashley:

So one day ISIS is just chilling, like in the palace, wherever.

Ashley:

And the behead was like, Hey Isis, I heard some tea and ISIS is whack.

Ashley:

What is it?

Ashley:

And she's like, great grandfather has a secret name.

Ashley:

And she's like, what?

Ashley:

He's like, yep, he has a secret name and if you say it, something's gonna happen.

Ashley:

I don't know what's gonna happen.

Ashley:

She's like, but I heard stuff goes down if you say it.

Ashley:

So ISIS is like, well what is it?

Ashley:

And she's like, I don't know, you have to ask him.

Ashley:

ISIS is like, fine.

Ashley:

So ISIS gets to thinking, hmm, maybe ISIS is super nice, but she also

Ashley:

is sick of people being tortured.

Ashley:

So she's like, maybe if I find out the secret name, I can get him to start torch.

Ashley:

Stop torturing these people.

Ashley:

Fine.

Ashley:

So at this point, atom's kind of old, so he has to cross the

Ashley:

sky day, day night from east to west, east to west, east to west.

Ashley:

Every day he's tired.

Ashley:

So one day he's like going across the sky and he drs a little bit and I

Ashley:

guess God DRL is like super powerful cause isis, she goes and collects

Ashley:

some of it and she makes a snake.

Ashley:

So she goes to see her granddad, he's like resting cuz he's so

Ashley:

tired of being the sun all day.

Ashley:

It's exhausting.

Ashley:

And she's like, Hey granddad, what's going on?

Ashley:

Great-grandfather.

Ashley:

He's like, oh, I'm good.

Ashley:

What's up?

Ashley:

And she's like, Hey, um, yeah, how's your day?

Ashley:

He's like, oh, it was fun.

Ashley:

Oh, oh my God.

Ashley:

And he starts screaming, what's going on?

Ashley:

This snake bit him now.

Ashley:

He's screaming.

Ashley:

I says, you gotta help me.

Ashley:

You gotta help me.

Ashley:

Oh my God, I'm so scared.

Ashley:

Oh my God, the snake fight hurts so much.

Ashley:

And she's like, I'll help you but you gotta tell me your secret name.

Ashley:

And he's like, what secret name?

Ashley:

I don't have a secret name.

Ashley:

And she's like, you sure do.

Ashley:

Tell me and I will help you.

Ashley:

I promise I will heal you.

Ashley:

So Otten thought about it and he's like, I can't, I can't tell you.

Ashley:

So she turns around and walks away and he's like, no, wait, I'll tell you.

Ashley:

He tells her and he's like, okay, my secret name, it's not

Ashley:

really a name, it's a sound.

Ashley:

She's like, I don't care.

Ashley:

Just tell me what it's, and he's like, it's raw.

Ashley:

And she's like, and then all of a sudden all of atom's powers go to isis.

Ashley:

She feels it.

Ashley:

Atom loses his powers.

Ashley:

He's still God, but he loses his powers.

Ashley:

So now ISIS has all these powers and she's like, oh my God, this is great.

Ashley:

So she goes to Oys and she's like, oys, we're gonna clean it up, shop.

Ashley:

We're gonna fix the people.

Ashley:

I'm gonna get them medicine.

Ashley:

And I, oys is like, great, I'm gonna help them make wheat and stuff.

Ashley:

Like, let's do it.

Ashley:

So they get on and they start making stuff for people and try to help them.

Ashley:

Okay.

Ashley:

Now at this point, they've been doing this for a little while, and now this

Ashley:

is gonna be a weird interlude to the story, but we're gonna come back to it.

Ashley:

So just stay with me.

Ashley:

You're gonna be like, why are you telling us this?

Ashley:

Okay, so one night, Osiris is telling isis, oh my God, I made this thing.

Ashley:

It's like a drink, but it's like weep, but it's fermented and like it's really

Ashley:

cool, and I'm gonna go show the humans.

Ashley:

And my sister's like, fine, I'm exhausted.

Ashley:

I'm going to bed.

Ashley:

You can go show the humans.

Ashley:

I'll see you in the morning.

Ashley:

She goes to bed, wakes up in the morning, Nim Behe is on her

Ashley:

couch, and she goes into Nette.

Ashley:

She's like, Hey, what's up?

Ashley:

Why are you here?

Ashley:

She's like, oh, um, I slept here last night.

Ashley:

And she's like, what?

Ashley:

And she's like, yeah, I slept here last night.

Ashley:

Uh, me and Seth got in a fight, so I came here and I gotta tell you something.

Ashley:

And she's like, okay, what?

Ashley:

And she's like, uh, I slept for those Cyrus.

Ashley:

And she's like, what?

Ashley:

And she's like, yeah, like, you know, he was showing me this drink thing that

Ashley:

he made and he was acting all goofy.

Ashley:

And then he kind of thought that I was you because we're twins.

Ashley:

And then I just let him think that.

Ashley:

And then we had sex and she's like, what?

Ashley:

So she's like really mad.

Ashley:

But Isis also being the goddess of compassion was like, okay,

Ashley:

O Cyrus didn't know it was you.

Ashley:

He thought it was me.

Ashley:

So I can't be that mad at him.

Ashley:

I'm kind of mad at you, but you're my sister, so I'm

Ashley:

gonna, I'm gonna get over it.

Ashley:

So she did.

Ashley:

Again, that's a weird interlude, but it will come up again.

Ashley:

So now, Osiris.

Ashley:

He just left for 10 years.

Ashley:

He decided to go to other countries.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

I know.

Ashley:

This is so random.

Ashley:

It's like that morning he was like, you know what, I'm gonna go across

Ashley:

the world and teach people how to make wheat and bread and all this stuff.

Ashley:

He's gone for 10 years.

Ashley:

Beer on the road.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

He's like, I gotta take my beer to everybody.

Ashley:

My micro brew.

Ashley:

I've gotta advertise it.

Ashley:

So he goes, and ISIS is like, oh, okay, cool.

Ashley:

But she loves him and he loves her.

Ashley:

It's not a problem.

Ashley:

So if Cyrus is gone for all this time, And ISIS is healing people.

Ashley:

O Cyrus is bringing everybody wheat beer.

Ashley:

And then he gets back like, and all this time, oh, also set is getting

Ashley:

angrier and angrier because all the people of Egypt love o Cyrus and

Ashley:

they can't wait for him to come back.

Ashley:

And Isis is, is ruling in his, um, ruling in his leave and people really

Ashley:

like her so it's not a problem, but they just can't wait for O Cyrus

Ashley:

to come back cuz he's awesome.

Ashley:

So Seth gets mad cuz he doesn't want everyone to like O Cyrus.

Ashley:

He wants everyone to like him, but nobody likes him.

Ashley:

So he en masses all these followers and all his followers

Ashley:

are kind of like CD people.

Ashley:

Eves, um, just pe mischievous people.

Ashley:

And he's got a plan cuz he's like, let's see when Oys gets

Ashley:

back, I don't, I don't like him.

Ashley:

I'm gonna figure this out.

Ashley:

So O Cyrus gets back and when he gets back set is like, oh, Cyrus,

Ashley:

oh my God, I'm so happy you're here.

Ashley:

And Oys is like, oh my God, I'm so happy to see you.

Ashley:

I gotta go see my wife though.

Ashley:

I can't just see you.

Ashley:

Like I haven't seen him for 10 years.

Ashley:

He's like, okay bro, that's fine.

Ashley:

But like first I have, I still have a whole party for you.

Ashley:

Please comment.

Ashley:

Like I'll tell Isis, she'll come over.

Ashley:

It won't be a big deal.

Ashley:

Just come to the party.

Ashley:

And O Cyrus is like, oh, okay, fine, I'll come with you.

Ashley:

Gets to the party.

Ashley:

The party is fun, the music is playing, the wine is flowing.

Ashley:

Everyone's having a good time.

Ashley:

Then all of a sudden set's like, oh, I forgot you guys were gonna have a contest.

Ashley:

And O Cyrus is like, contest.

Ashley:

This is weird.

Ashley:

Okay, whatever.

Ashley:

He brings out this beautiful box, gorgeous box, and Ocirus is like, whoever can fit

Ashley:

in the box perfectly can take the box.

Ashley:

And Ocirus is like, okay, cool.

Ashley:

So everyone's trying, trying.

Ashley:

Some are too big, some are too small, some are too short, some, some are too tall.

Ashley:

And then finally O Cyrus is like, wow, this is kind of fun.

Ashley:

Like, I wanna try.

Ashley:

And Seth's like, no, you're the king.

Ashley:

You can't try.

Ashley:

It is not fair if you win the box.

Ashley:

He's like, no, just let me try.

Ashley:

I'll be fine.

Ashley:

So if Cyrus leaves in the box, and of course it's perfect

Ashley:

because he made it for Osiris.

Ashley:

Okay, now lays in Cyrus in the box and he slams it down, closes

Ashley:

them in, covers it with lead.

Ashley:

Ocirus is beating against the boss trying to get out.

Ashley:

And even though Ocirus is a God, apparently he can die in this box.

Ashley:

I don't know how that works.

Ashley:

This is Egyptian mythology.

Ashley:

I didn't come up with it.

Ashley:

So Ocirus dies in the box now and set goes, and he takes the box with his

Ashley:

people and he throwed him in Nile.

Ashley:

Meanwhile, ISIS is like, she doesn't know what's going on, but she heard

Ashley:

the ISIS that Ocirus got back.

Ashley:

So she's wondering where he is at.

Ashley:

So she goes and she finds Seth and she's like, Seth, what's up?

Ashley:

Like, have you seen Ocirus?

Ashley:

And he's like, oh yeah, I saw Cyrus.

Ashley:

You did.

Ashley:

And she's like, wait, what?

Ashley:

And he's like, yep, I killed him.

Ashley:

And she said, What she's like.

Ashley:

He's like, yeah, yeah, he's dead.

Ashley:

I threw him in the now I'm the king now, sorry.

Ashley:

Okay, bye.

Ashley:

And then he runs away and she's like, what?

Ashley:

She's so upset.

Ashley:

Yeah, she's really, really upset.

Ashley:

So now she's like, oh my God.

Ashley:

So now she spends the next 10 ish years looking for O Cyrus, cuz she's

Ashley:

like, look, I'm the goddess of magic.

Ashley:

If anybody can bring him back to life, I can.

Ashley:

I just gotta find him.

Ashley:

I don't know where he is.

Ashley:

So she goes to this land called Bilos this in a different part of Egypt than

Ashley:

she is, and she hears a story about a box that got stuck in a bush and then

Ashley:

a tree grew around the bush and then they used that tree in the palace.

Ashley:

So long story short about the palace, she ends up becoming maid.

Ashley:

She gets in the palace, she breaks in, she gets the pillar, and she leaves.

Ashley:

We're not gonna go into that story cuz it's too long.

Ashley:

So, so anyway, just know she got it back.

Ashley:

So she gets back the box.

Ashley:

So she's traveling down the now with her box.

Ashley:

Now she gets back to her part of Egypt.

Ashley:

So she's like, okay, I'm here.

Ashley:

I gotta get stuff for the ritual to bring back o Cyrus.

Ashley:

But the thing is Egypt has changed in the past 10 years.

Ashley:

She's been away looking for him.

Ashley:

She's gotta go kind of farther to find stuff.

Ashley:

Meanwhile set has everybody hates set.

Ashley:

He's not a good king, but people are just doing whatever

Ashley:

he does because he's a king.

Ashley:

So set has set out, set, has set, set, has set out, guards all over to monitor

Ashley:

Egypt and see where ISIS is gonna be.

Ashley:

So here comes isis.

Ashley:

Now she's looking for stuff and they were telling, they go back and report to set.

Ashley:

ISIS is getting all these different kinds of herbs.

Ashley:

I don't know what's going on.

Ashley:

So what does set go straight to her palace?

Ashley:

And he sees the box right as ISIS is coming back and he's like, Hey Isis.

Ashley:

And she's like, oh hey.

Ashley:

And he's like, what's over there?

Ashley:

And she's like, what's over where?

Ashley:

He's like, over there, what's that box?

Ashley:

She's like, what box?

Ashley:

And he's like, stop it.

Ashley:

I see your box.

Ashley:

She's like, set.

Ashley:

Stop.

Ashley:

Like, let's just end this.

Ashley:

He's like, no, we're not gonna end anything.

Ashley:

So he takes out his knife and he starts cutting the box and

Ashley:

he cuts it into 14 pieces.

Ashley:

And he specifically takes o Cyrus's penis.

Ashley:

And he takes it and he goes to one part of the river and he throws it in

Ashley:

and watches alligators eat it because without his penis he can't have a baby.

Ashley:

So ISIS loses it.

Ashley:

She starts screaming, screaming so loud that she like, there's an earthquake

Ashley:

in the world, Seth Le Seth leaves.

Ashley:

He doesn't care.

Ashley:

So, After all this screaming, everybody heard it.

Ashley:

So Nabet had came by and she's like, what's up?

Ashley:

What's going on?

Ashley:

She's like, oh, you're here to make fun of me.

Ashley:

Ne bet's like, I'm making fun of what?

Ashley:

I don't even know what's going on.

Ashley:

She's like, so she tells Nabet, hit what happened, and she's like, oh God,

Ashley:

all right, I'm gonna help you, and ISIS says you're really gonna help me.

Ashley:

She's like, yes, I'm gonna help you.

Ashley:

We're gonna go find, oh, by the way, set, took all the other pieces of Cyrus

Ashley:

and told them to scatter it all around Egypt so that ISIS couldn't find them.

Ashley:

So she's like, I'm gonna help you.

Ashley:

So she's like, what we're gonna do is we're gonna make tracking dogs

Ashley:

that can find Irus anywhere in Egypt.

Ashley:

ISIS is like, okay, fine.

Ashley:

So they do.

Ashley:

So they spend a couple days, it doesn't take them that long, and they find all 13

Ashley:

pieces of Osiris and what ISIS thought was a good idea, which is a really good idea.

Ashley:

She's like, what we're gonna do is every single time we find a piece of Osiris,

Ashley:

we're gonna build a temple there for Osiris Cyrus, because that way set will

Ashley:

never know where his whole body is.

Ashley:

We'll confuse him.

Ashley:

So Nek was like, all right, sounds like good idea where Goddess is.

Ashley:

We can make this happen very quickly.

Ashley:

So they do it.

Ashley:

So now they have all the pieces and they're putting them together and all of

Ashley:

a sudden out of the woods, wherever they were, Comes this boy with a dog head.

Ashley:

I'm like, who's this boy?

Ashley:

And the boy is like, Hey.

Ashley:

And then they're like, Hey, you're a boy with a dog head.

Ashley:

We don't know what's going on.

Ashley:

And he is like, oh my God.

Ashley:

And then Nabet head is grossed out.

Ashley:

She's like, get away from me, blah, blah, blah.

Ashley:

And ISIS is like, what is the problem?

Ashley:

Why are you freaking out?

Ashley:

And she goes, oh, by the way, that's my baby.

Ashley:

That I had with O Cyrus.

Ashley:

That time

Ashley:

everyone is confused.

Ashley:

Everyone's like, ISIS is like, what?

Ashley:

She's like, yeah, I had this baby, but he had a dog head and I don't like it.

Ashley:

So I just through in the woods.

Ashley:

And she's like, oh.

Ashley:

But then, so she, at this point, NABET had just leaves.

Ashley:

She's just like, I'm going home.

Ashley:

I'm so, I'm like, you're not that great of a sister all the time.

Ashley:

Sometimes you have to be nicer to her.

Ashley:

Um, but anyway, I just felt terrible for, um, this little boy with a dog

Ashley:

head and she's like, listen, I'll take you in, like you're gonna be my.

Ashley:

My assistant from now.

Ashley:

So she named him a nubis, and this was her best assistant servant, and he

Ashley:

served her for the rest of her life.

Ashley:

All right.

Ashley:

That's another weird flower part of the story, but it happened.

Ashley:

Um, so at this point now, she put o Irus back together.

Ashley:

She used oils, she used linens to cover him oils.

Ashley:

She rubbed them on his body and she did certain rituals.

Ashley:

So this is considered the first mummy.

Ashley:

It was Osiris.

Ashley:

And the box he was in was the first sarcophagus.

Ashley:

So after this, she brought Osiris back to life, but the spell that she used, she

Ashley:

said it could only work for a few minutes.

Ashley:

So she brought him back to life.

Ashley:

She held him.

Ashley:

She was like, oh, you know, they were talking, I love you.

Ashley:

I love you, love you.

Ashley:

Oh, the other thing is O cyrus's soul could not go to where it

Ashley:

needed to go unless it was whole.

Ashley:

So basically for some reason they didn't need the penis part.

Ashley:

That was fine, but the rest of his body had to be together

Ashley:

like so she did it, it was fine.

Ashley:

So she's like, all right, great.

Ashley:

I'll get you a lie for a couple minutes so I can talk to you.

Ashley:

Then you can go into your spirit form and you'll be fine.

Ashley:

So in those couple minutes, because he was a spirit and cuz Isis, I

Ashley:

guess is a goddess, she had a baby.

Ashley:

She, she got pregnant and everything was great.

Ashley:

Soon she got pregnant and she had a baby and she named that baby

Ashley:

Horace and he had a falcon head.

Ashley:

Now she raised Horas and a Nubis, and she raised Horas up because she

Ashley:

wanted him to fight, set and like bring back their family's honor.

Ashley:

And because of Cyrus was in spirit form, sometimes he could come back.

Ashley:

And he was also training Horace.

Ashley:

The other thing Osiris did was that the gods kind of felt bad for Ocirus

Ashley:

cuz he didn't like he, he got murdered by another God, like it was too much.

Ashley:

So they're like, we should give him like a good position.

Ashley:

So they're like, Osiris, we have a vacancy.

Ashley:

We need you to be the king of the underworld.

Ashley:

And Isis was like, don't be the king about underworld.

Ashley:

That sounds like a lot of work.

Ashley:

And he's like, no, no, no, no.

Ashley:

I went to the underworld obviously cuz I'm dead and it's a mess down there.

Ashley:

He's like basically the only people who could go to like the

Ashley:

cool part of the underworld were kings because they were kings.

Ashley:

People who were just normal people weren't allowed to go

Ashley:

because , they couldn't be judged.

Ashley:

And I, uh, o Cyrus's job was to judge the dead.

Ashley:

He's like, when I go down there, I'm gonna judge everybody so I can pick

Ashley:

who gets to go and who gets to come.

Ashley:

But it doesn't matter if you're a king or a queen or a peasant, it doesn't matter.

Ashley:

He made a list of 42 sins.

Ashley:

Unforgivable sins and 10 of which are the 10 commandments actually,

Ashley:

and the other 32 are different.

Ashley:

But the person who died would have to memorize those 42 sins and be able to

Ashley:

speak them to Osiris when they died and in like, and be able to say that

Ashley:

they didn't do any of those things.

Ashley:

And that's how he judged them on whether or not they got to go to the good part

Ashley:

or they had to roam around forever.

Ashley:

Dead.

Ashley:

So she's like, okay, you're doing something good for humanity,

Ashley:

so go be a king of a dead.

Ashley:

Okay, cool.

Ashley:

So anyway, now we get back to what we're talking about.

Ashley:

So, oh, Cyrus is teaching Horace to fight and Horace is now

Ashley:

getting older and he's ready.

Ashley:

So Horace goes, he sets up a little bit of an army, he goes

Ashley:

to set and he's like, set.

Ashley:

Killed my dad.

Ashley:

What's, what's the quote from the princess Bride.

Ashley:

He said, my name is Diego Montoya.

Ashley:

You killed my father.

Ashley:

Prepare to die.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

So, so that's basically what he did.

Ashley:

So he went to him and they started fighting and they

Ashley:

fought for like 80 years.

Ashley:

They fought for time.

Ashley:

And at one point now they're both exhausted.

Ashley:

They're like, this is crazy.

Ashley:

We gotta stop.

Ashley:

So set was like, all right, I have a plan.

Ashley:

He says, what we're gonna do to stop this fight.

Ashley:

We're both gonna become hippos.

Ashley:

And he's like, we're both gonna become hippos and whoever can kill

Ashley:

the other one under the water.

Ashley:

And the Nile.

Ashley:

We'll win.

Ashley:

This is like, I love like mythology logic, cuz you're like, how

Ashley:

did they, it's just so logical.

Ashley:

It makes sense.

Ashley:

They're like, duh, we're just gonna become hippos.

Ashley:

So they're like, okay, fine.

Ashley:

This sounds great.

Ashley:

So they both became hippos and they went into the water and for three months

Ashley:

they were under the water fighting.

Ashley:

And then I, ISIS got worried about Horace.

Ashley:

She's like, oh my God, he's gonna die under there.

Ashley:

So she puts a giant hook in the water and she gets out ho and he's like,

Ashley:

mom, I almost had him like, damnit mom.

Ashley:

So he's super mad.

Ashley:

So she, she unhooks him and throws him back in.

Ashley:

Then she gets another hook and she hooks set and set's like, oh God.

Ashley:

He's like, I was dying.

Ashley:

Um, and then she's like, well, now I have you.

Ashley:

I'm gonna kill you.

Ashley:

And Seth's like, please, please, please, please don't kill me.

Ashley:

And Isis, again, being the goddess of compassion's, like, oh God,

Ashley:

I can't actually kill you, even though I'm really mad at you.

Ashley:

So I let them go.

Ashley:

So then they just, I guess they just had like a truce.

Ashley:

They just, everybody stopped because this was crazy.

Ashley:

So Horace comes up and Horace is like, mom, how dare you do that?

Ashley:

You had to kill him and you didn't kill him.

Ashley:

And he gets so mad that he cuts off ISIS's head.

Ashley:

So now Isis is a headless stone and because she's a goddess

Ashley:

again, she can still talk.

Ashley:

So she has like, she's talking, somebody puts her head back on her body and

Ashley:

she's like, I'm gonna turn myself into a statue cuz I feel terrible.

Ashley:

So weird.

Ashley:

So she does.

Ashley:

So for a minute, ISIS was a statue.

Ashley:

Then the gods were like, please don't be a statue.

Ashley:

We need you.

Ashley:

You're the goddess of healing.

Ashley:

Like everyone's gonna be sick without you.

Ashley:

So she comes back.

Ashley:

But now there's just general strife.

Ashley:

Everyone's mad at everybody.

Ashley:

They don't know what to do, and they're mad at Horace more than set.

Ashley:

They're like, why did Horace try to kill set, blah, blah.

Ashley:

So all the gods at 10 gets all the big gods together.

Ashley:

And he is like, okay, we're gonna have a meeting about what

Ashley:

we're gonna do with Horace.

Ashley:

And they decided the ISIS couldn't be part of the meeting, but Seth could.

Ashley:

And she's like, damn it, because Seth's gonna make it sound like Ho

Ashley:

is a terrible one after what he did.

Ashley:

So they had it on this specific island and isis.

Ashley:

So ISIS turned into a bird and she went to this ice island to spy.

Ashley:

But then she's like, you know what else I'm gonna do?

Ashley:

I'm gonna turn to a very pretty lady.

Ashley:

So Seth's waiting outside where they're having the meeting and she

Ashley:

turns into this beautiful woman.

Ashley:

She's just walking around and he's like, oh, excuse me ma'am, how you doing?

Ashley:

She's like, oh, I'm so sad.

Ashley:

I'm so upset.

Ashley:

And he's like, what happened?

Ashley:

She's like, well, I, my um, husband.

Ashley:

My husband was this really good man, and we had a farm.

Ashley:

And then my son took over the farm and he was doing a great job.

Ashley:

And then his uncle came and his uncle took everything and

Ashley:

like, I don't know what to do.

Ashley:

And Seth's like, well, his uncle sounds like a jerk.

Ashley:

You should kill the uncle and let the son rule the farm.

Ashley:

And he, and she turns back into isis.

Ashley:

She's like, haha, it's high Isis.

Ashley:

See you wanna be king, but Horace should be king because, you're the bad one.

Ashley:

And we're gonna put Horas in.

Ashley:

So then the whole council comes out and they're like, what's going on here?

Ashley:

And Isis is like, I just told him a story of basically what

Ashley:

had just happened in our lives.

Ashley:

And he admitted that Hora should be in charge and not him.

Ashley:

And so the gods were like, okay, that's true.

Ashley:

That's a good point.

Ashley:

So they put Horace in, and Horace with the falcon head became the first

Ashley:

Pharaoh, cuz he ruled over all Egypt.

Ashley:

And then because set was so bad, but they couldn't kill him cuz he's a god.

Ashley:

They decided to put him up in the sky and that's why he's the king of thunder.

Ashley:

Cuz he just gets pissed sometimes that he's still in

Ashley:

the sky and he makes some noise.

Ashley:

Yeah, exactly.

Ashley:

He's just like, come the sky.

Ashley:

This so annoying.

Ashley:

Um.

Ashley:

Oh my gosh.

Ashley:

I know.

Ashley:

And then Isis lived to be very old and then she died and went to the

Ashley:

afterlife and then she was with Cy oh Cs for the rest of her life.

Ashley:

And everything was fine after that.

Ashley:

And that's the end.

Ashley:

You tell stories.

Ashley:

That was so entertaining.

Ashley:

I'm so glad.

Joya:

I was like, I wish she was.

Joya:

I wish you were our tour

Ashley:

guide on Egypt.

Ashley:

Oh my gosh.

Ashley:

Well, thank you.

Ashley:

I tried, but that's our story for today.

Ashley:

So this, now we are coming to the end, unfortunately, of our

Ashley:

podcast and we've just had such a great time talking with Joya.

Ashley:

So Joy, tell everybody where they can find you on the internet or.

Ashley:

Anything you're doing that you wanna talk about, you can just tell us

Joya:

now.

Joya:

Well, thank you.

Joya:

Oh my gosh, this has been so fun.

Joya:

And, and I'm actually found a recipe for the beans.

Joya:

I'm like, I am gonna go home and make some of those beans,

Ashley:

find those beans, those beans first,

Joya:

have to find the beans.

Ashley:

You're not

Joya:

gonna make the beans.

Joya:

But thank you so much for inviting me.

Joya:

This has been so much fun, and you're such a great storyteller.

Joya:

It was so, so, so much fun to visit Egypt again.

Joya:

Like that.

Joya:

It reminded me of a drunk history story, except for you are not Drunk and

Ashley:

Teller.

Ashley:

Oh, thank you.

Joya:

You're so welcome.

Joya:

Oh my gosh.

Joya:

So everybody can find me everywhere online at vi.

Joya:

It's V I B O L O G I E.

Joya:

And um, that's on Instagram, Facebook.

Joya:

My coach just told me I have to be on TikTok.

Joya:

She's like, you have to be on TikTok too.

Joya:

I'm like, oh, it's another.

Joya:

Another thing, so you can find me on

Ashley:

TikTok

Joya:

and also YouTube and um, yeah, I pretty

Ashley:

much.

Ashley:

Just

Joya:

share everything.

Joya:

I know every bit of my wisdom, everything that I've learned I teach.

Joya:

And on my website I teach and offer, uh, classes for expressive,

Joya:

I call it expressive and intuitive meditation for people who hate to

Joya:

meditate because that coming into the self-awareness is the key, right?

Joya:

Mm-hmm.

Joya:

And most people don't wanna meditate.

Joya:

And you know, I just read an interesting statistic that said that most.

Joya:

Spiritual people and spiritual leaders, like only like 17%

Joya:

of them meditate regularly.

Joya:

It's such a low number.

Joya:

So I'm like, we need to change that cause Hmm.

Joya:

People need to be meditating.

Joya:

They need to be in, in the body learning who they are.

Joya:

Right.

Joya:

Becoming an in awareness.

Joya:

So anyway, off my high horse, I teach meditation for people who hate.

Joya:

I love it,

Ashley:

love.

Joya:

And of course I lead spiritual journeys around the world for people who

Joya:

wanna come, women who wanna come and sing and drum and dance and get in touch with

Joya:

our divine feminine priestess energy.

Joya:

And in so many places around the world, you know, women were the drummers.

Joya:

You didn't even get into the story of God is half or so.

Joya:

I can't wait till you tell,

Ashley:

like, wait, you didn't even talk about theor God, half.

Ashley:

I know that that's coming off.

Ashley:

Don't worry.

Ashley:

Good.

Ashley:

I can't wait.

Ashley:

I can't wait to hear

Joya:

how you tell her story.

Joya:

But.

Joya:

It's her story, right?

Ashley:

Not his.

Ashley:

Mm-hmm.

Ashley:

Her story.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

Her story.

Ashley:

Yes.

Ashley:

But anyway,

Joya:

so yeah, I'd love to lead women on sacred journeys to go sing and drum

Joya:

and be in our, our wild woman bodies and our, and just in that energy of

Joya:

that priestess energy and feeling that that movement coming up from

Joya:

our sacral womb, our sacral womb.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

Up through the, up through the whole channel and through the throat.

Joya:

That's like, that's how we speak.

Joya:

That's where we speak from.

Joya:

That's where we find our power.

Joya:

Yes.

Joya:

And I'm so passionate about connecting women back to that source of their power.

Joya:

So, Yeah, you can find me everywhere at VI and my website is also vi.com.

Joya:

V i b o l o g i

Ashley:

e.

Ashley:

Awesome.

Ashley:

So all, like I said, every link will be in the um, show notes.

Ashley:

Um, and thank you again and uh, again, one more time.

Ashley:

If you guys wanna listen to the show, follow us on all the different

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apples, Spotify, all that stuff.

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You can follow the show.

Ashley:

Um, you can email me if you have any suggestions, um, at Dine

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with the divine pod gmail.com.

Ashley:

And again, if you wanna follow me, I'm Sankofa Hs Sankofa

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Healing Sanctuary on Facebook.

Ashley:

And so I just wanna thank Joy again.

Ashley:

This was so great and fun and she's been so patient.

Ashley:

I had some te technical difficulties and she was very patient with

Ashley:

me and I just really appreciate people for just being so kind.

Ashley:

So thank you so much.

Ashley:

Aw, you're so well.

Ashley:

Thank you.

Ashley:

We are

Joya:

in Mercury retrograde, so.

Ashley:

Exactly, yes.

Ashley:

I'm like, of course

Joya:

she's having technical difficulties.

Joya:

I mean, It's the time of the, of the energy.

Joya:

It really

Ashley:

deal is.

Ashley:

I know.

Ashley:

Yeah.

Ashley:

All right, well thank you so, so much and then thank you.

Ashley:

I will see all you guys next week.

Ashley:

Bye.

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