Shownotes
Print Shoot Repeat, the masked YouTube creator known as PSR, joins State of the Second at Shot Show to talk about how 3D printed firearms became his life's work. He explains that he wasn't an avid gun owner before the pandemic. He owned a skeet-shooting shotgun, then bought home defense guns after a neighbor going through a mental health crisis made threatening comments. Taking apart his Glock to clean it sparked a fascination with how firearms work as machines. After watching a documentary about Jay Stark, a designer testing the FGC9 in Europe where it's illegal, he bought a printer, printed a Glock, filmed himself shooting it, and saw the video hit 20,000 views in a week. The channel grew from there, built on light-hearted gun reviews and original music videos like the HK Slap tribute and the 'Glong.'
The conversation digs into the legal and cultural fight around privately manufactured firearms. PSR makes the case that making your own gun is older than the country and federally legal in most states, though Washington, California, New Jersey, New York, and Maryland restrict it. He breaks down California's rule requiring a serialized 3.5 ounce steel piece embedded so the gun is inoperable if it's removed, and notes a fan who legally submitted five serialized printed guns there before the law changed. GOA's co-host pushes back on the 'ghost gun' label as fear-driven propaganda, and PSR points out that articles from outlets like Sky News and the Washington Post have roped him in as a right wing extremist, which he says he is not.
PSR also covers the censorship side: YouTube's terms ban teaching people how to make a firearm, he's carried two strikes (one away from removal), and he now avoids even saying '3D printing,' calling it 'squirting' instead. GOA's co-host lays out the legislative stakes, including the Undetectable Firearms Act funding set to expire March 8 and GOA's letter urging Congress not to refund it. The episode closes on a plea for less division. PSR describes a day shooting in the desert with friends from opposite political spectrums and argues that even reaching people who don't like guns is a step in the right direction.
Questions this episode answers
How did Print Shoot Repeat get into 3D printing guns?
He wasn't an avid gun owner before the pandemic, but cleaning his Glock sparked a fascination with how firearms work. A documentary about designer Jay Stark led him to buy a printer, print a Glock, and film himself shooting it; the video hit 20,000 views in a week and the channel grew from there.
Is it legal to 3D print your own firearm in the United States?
Print Shoot Repeat says making your own gun is older than the country and federally legal in most states. Washington, California, New Jersey, New York, and Maryland restrict it; California, for example, requires a serialized 3.5-ounce steel piece embedded so the gun is inoperable if it's removed.
Why does Print Shoot Repeat wear a mask in his videos?
Print Shoot Repeat keeps his identity hidden behind a mask, performing under the PSR persona while filming most of his own videos. The episode discusses the mask alongside the media attention and the right-wing-extremist labels outlets have tried to attach to his work.
What is the FGC9 and who designed it?
The FGC9 is a 3D printed firearm associated with designer Jay Stark, the subject of a documentary about testing the gun in Europe where it's illegal. Watching that documentary is what pushed Print Shoot Repeat to buy a printer and start the channel.
Why is the term 'ghost gun' considered misleading?
Gun Owners of America's co-host argues the 'ghost gun' label is fear-driven propaganda rather than an honest description of privately made firearms. Print Shoot Repeat adds that outlets like Sky News and the Washington Post have wrongly cast him as a right-wing extremist, which he says he is not.
How has YouTube cracked down on 3D printed gun content?
YouTube's terms ban teaching people how to make a firearm, and Print Shoot Repeat has carried two strikes, one away from removal. To avoid triggering the rules he no longer says '3D printing' on his channel, calling it 'squirting' instead.
What is the Undetectable Firearms Act and what is Gun Owners of America doing about it?
Funding tied to the Undetectable Firearms Act was set to expire on March 8, and Gun Owners of America (GOA) sent a letter urging Congress not to refund it. The episode frames the act as a key legislative stake in the fight over privately manufactured firearms.
How do firearms companies use 3D printing in their own products?
The episode covers how firearms companies use 3D printing in their products, placing PSR's home-built work within a broader industry that already relies on the technology. The summary does not detail specific company applications beyond noting the topic is covered.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Welcome and who is Print Shoot Repeat
- 01:13 — From a skeet shotgun to home defense guns
- 03:38 — The Jay Stark documentary and the FGC9
- 05:22 — Printing a Glock and the channel takes off
- 06:07 — The 3D printing community and inspiring others
- 07:32 — Why he wears the mask
- 09:35 — Innovation and the older-than-the-Republic tradition
- 11:27 — 3D printing versus 80 percent builds
- 14:46 — The music videos and bringing new people in
- 20:35 — The ghost gun label and media attention
- 22:42 — YouTube strikes and saying squirting
- 26:43 — How firearms companies use 3D printing
- 30:36 — The Undetectable Firearms Act and GOA's letter
- 34:58 — Politicians who don't understand guns
- 39:18 — Finding common ground and the plug
About the guest
Print Shoot Repeat, known online as PSR, is a masked YouTube creator who has run his channel for about three years and focuses primarily on reviews of 3D printed guns. He says he wasn't an avid gun enthusiast before the pandemic, when a threatening neighbor led him to buy home defense firearms; cleaning his Glock got him interested in how guns work as machines. He has a background in filmmaking and music, has played violin since childhood, films most of his videos himself, and produces original music including an HK Slap tribute and a track called the Glong, with an album planned for the year. He attended Finnish Brutality in Finland and says he lives in Nevada.
Key quotes
"So it's always been your right to make your own gun. And whether it's with a 3D printer or whether it's with a CNC mill or whether it's with, you know, bending a flat to make an AK receiver or whatever it is, just 3D printing makes it a whole lot easier." — Print Shoot Repeat
"People have 3D printers and they're gonna 3D print guns whether you like it or not." — Print Shoot Repeat
"I've actually had to stop even using the word 3D printing on my channel. So I don't actually use the word 3D printing. I call it either 3D squirting or just squirt it." — Print Shoot Repeat
"when it comes to this concept of manufacturing your own firearms, it's a tradition that predates our country." — GOA Co-Host
"I want to try to bring people from outside in and particularly get younger people involved too, because I think the younger generation will bring us into a better place, hopefully." — Print Shoot Repeat
Transcripts
Welcome to the State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:Today we have Print Shoot Repeat with us.
Speaker A:How are you today, my friend?
Speaker B:I am excellent.
Speaker B:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker A:So for those who may not know who you are, you're a pretty big deal.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Give us a little bit of your backstory.
Speaker B:Oh, well, yeah, like I said, thanks again for having me on the podcast.
Speaker B:It's great to be here.
Speaker B:It's great to be here at Shot Show I, also known as PSR for short.
Speaker B:That's what my YouTube channel is.
Speaker B:Print, Shoot, Repeat.
Speaker B:I have been doing this YouTube thing for about three years now and I primarily focus on 3D printed guns.
Speaker B:That's what I do.
Speaker B:So I do reviews of primarily 3D printed guns.
Speaker B:I've done a lot more though in the recent, you know, since YouTube kind of decided to crack down on me a little bit.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, you know, it's hard to tell what YouTube likes and doesn't like.
Speaker B:We can get more into that, but I just do all sorts of gun reviews, but I try to keep it light hearted and fun.
Speaker B:I do a lot of music videos related to gun stuff and I just try to in general keep it lighthearted and have fun on my YouTube channel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What made you get into 3B printed gun game?
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Well, that, that goes back to basically right around the pandemic.
Speaker B:And like a lot of people that are gun owners now, I really wasn't a very avid, like gun enthusiast.
Speaker B:Before the pandemic I had a shotgun.
Speaker B:I had basically like what Joe Biden wants every American to have.
Speaker B: shotgun that was a Remington: Speaker B:And so it was like a skeet shooting shotgun, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, double barrel shotgun.
Speaker B:All you need is, you know, two shots in the air, let them know and they'll go right away.
Speaker B:So yeah, so I had one of those and I loved going to the range with friends that had like, you know, more tactical stuff, but I never had any myself.
Speaker B:And so during the pandemic I actually had a situation where I had a really, a neighbor who was going through a pretty intense mental health crisis.
Speaker B:And I was.
Speaker B:He did some things and made some comments that were pretty alarming and just kind of made me feel like not very safe.
Speaker B:And so I was like, you know what, I would never want to ever use a firearm against anyone else.
Speaker B:But in that situation, if he became violent, try to break into my house.
Speaker B:Because there's a couple times when he was threatening and said some threatening stuff.
Speaker B:And so I just like, I Would like to have the option to defend myself, except not with a 28 inch barrel ranked an 870.
Speaker B:So, you know, I got some like home defense guns.
Speaker B:I got a Glock, got an ar, kind of just the standard stuff.
Speaker B:And you know, that was a tough time for a lot of Americans, I think, being inside, you know, so much uncertainty and, and a lot of political unrest and just.
Speaker B:It's a tough time.
Speaker B:And I think my neighbor was going through that too.
Speaker B:And so eventually everything was fine and he got the help he needed.
Speaker B:I think he thought I was trying to hack into his computer and a bunch of other crazy stuff.
Speaker B:I could go deeper into the story, but long story short, that's kind of what got me into more, you know, getting deeper into guns.
Speaker B:And so I like took apart my Glock to clean it and I just became really interested in how it works as a machine, how it works as a tool.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so I became really interested in the technical aspect of firearms.
Speaker B:Started to watch a lot of YouTube videos like Forgotten weapons and you know, just got into all the YouTube firearms stuff.
Speaker B:And so I learned a lot more about firearms.
Speaker B:I got really into it and so.
Speaker B:And I found a documentary about this guy in Europe who was 3D printing guns, where it's super illegal.
Speaker B:Obviously here it's not illegal federally to make your own gun.
Speaker B:Obviously there's certain streets, you know, states that do implement, you know, restrictions, as I'm sure you're aware on that stuff.
Speaker B:But the majority of states totally legal to 3D printed gun, which a lot of people don't know that that's the case.
Speaker B:So I was in a state where you could do that and I decided to.
Speaker B:So I watched this documentary about Jay Stark, who's this guy who's designing and testing 3D printing guns in some basement in Europe.
Speaker B:And it's super illegal, but his whole, you know, philosophy behind it was providing a means of defense for people who are being, you know, who don't have the ability to defend themselves.
Speaker B:So offering that up to be able to make your own firearm.
Speaker B:And the FGC9 is what he did it with.
Speaker B:And it's a completely DIY firearm.
Speaker B:And you can basically ECM or edm, electrical, chemical manufacturing your barrel.
Speaker B:So you can actually rifle the barrel using electricity and 3D printed parts in a bathtub.
Speaker B:Yeah, so it's, it's pretty.
Speaker B:So you can rifle a barrel so it's accurate and you can use it out of bar stock steel and 3D printed parts and like an airsoft fire control group which are actually available in Europe and you can have a functioning firearm.
Speaker B:So this wasn't just meant for people in Europe though.
Speaker B:It was for people everywhere fighting authoritarian regimes.
Speaker B:Right now we're seeing it in Myanmar.
Speaker B:They're actually printing these guns and using them against the military junta in Myanmar and Burma.
Speaker B:So basically I saw this documentary.
Speaker B:I was like, oh man, this is super cool.
Speaker B:I didn't know you could 3D print a gun.
Speaker B:I bought a printer and I started printing and then I printed a Glock, put it together and went and shot the Glock for the first time.
Speaker B:And I brought my friend to film it.
Speaker B:And I didn't think it was going to be like a thing like I'll make a YouTube channel.
Speaker B:But I had this footage and I made a little edit of it and I like put it on my music behind it and I went and, and put it up on YouTube and like I just said like, yeah, so I 3D printed a Glock 19 and like after a week it was like 20,000 views.
Speaker B:I was like, holy moly, like people want to see this stuff.
Speaker B:So I just kept making the content here and there and then more and more into the rabbit hole of all the designs you can make and stuff.
Speaker B:And so that's what kind of got got me into making YouTube videos about it.
Speaker A:So the 3D printing community is pretty.
Speaker A:It's a cool community.
Speaker A:There's a ton of files that are passed back and forth.
Speaker A:I've seen the competitions.
Speaker A:Have you done any of the 3D printed gun competitions yet?
Speaker B:I haven't.
Speaker B:There's been some events that have been just like 3D printed gun get togethers and shoots and stuff.
Speaker B:It would be cool to do.
Speaker B:There's a lot of.
Speaker B:I went to Finnish Brutality this year in Finland, so it's like a brutality match, like competition shooting competition match in.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, in order to import the guns into Finland, they have to have serial numbers.
Speaker B:So I can't bring the 3D printed guns to finish brutality.
Speaker B:But there are brutality matches in the US which I would love to run the 3D printed guns at.
Speaker B:But I personally haven't been to a strictly 3D printed gun competition.
Speaker B:But there are a lot of events.
Speaker B:I mean, there's a huge community nowadays especially.
Speaker B:And I get people that message me on Instagram and Twitter that say, you know, people that I've like downloaded and printed their files that said, oh, I started 3D printing guns because of you.
Speaker B:I started designing and learning about, you know, CAD design, which is not just a skill to use to 3D, you know, design 3D guns.
Speaker B:It's a skill you can use to, you know, make a career out of design and engineering and stuff and using computer aided design to make cool, you know, projects.
Speaker B:So for me, when I hear that, it makes me super happy that I was able to get those people into designing using computers and stuff.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it makes me happy for sure.
Speaker A:So you started doing YouTube and things like that.
Speaker A:When did the mask come into play?
Speaker B:So the mask came into the play basically since the beginning.
Speaker B:So I have background.
Speaker B:So I've always been really into filmmaking.
Speaker B:I've always really been into music.
Speaker B:Those two things have been like a constant in my life since I was really little.
Speaker B:I've been playing violin and I had a camcorder in my hands basically since I, you know, was like six, seven years old.
Speaker B:I was making goofy, you know, home movies about, you know, little adventures I would go on.
Speaker B:And it was all usually like filming myself, which it really hasn't changed to this day.
Speaker B:I, I film all my videos myself.
Speaker B:So I go out with a tripod sometimes.
Speaker B:I'll have like, maybe 5% of the videos will have like a cameraman, but for the most part it's just me, a tripod, and whatever I'm shooting that day.
Speaker B:And so kind of what got me into, into doing the, the videos with the mask was I have like a whole other kind of personality character that's without the mask before I got into this whole 3D printed gun, YouTube thing.
Speaker B:And so what I ended up doing was a lot of people think it's because I'm somehow trying to like, evade like law enforcement or something.
Speaker B:That's not the case.
Speaker B:Like, first of all, if the government, unfortunately, the government wants to figure out who you are, they're going to figure it out.
Speaker B:That's pretty clear.
Speaker B:And I am not in any way like, like thinking that that's, that's why I'm wearing the mask.
Speaker B:That's not why I wear the mask.
Speaker B:I just wanted to separate the, this project from my, my past projects which haven't had the mask.
Speaker B:So I've, I've created, I added the mask because obviously it's a little bit of a spicier topic.
Speaker B:And you're even just regular gun youtubers sometimes are like a little bit shy to even like touch the 3D printing stuff.
Speaker B:So obviously there's an element of like, you know, kind of wanted to make a little bit of a mysterious kind of, you know, personality character with it, but it was mainly just to separate it from my other Past projects that I've done.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker C:And one of the things that I think going back to what you touched on previously is you built this passion and this entire platform out of wanting to understand your firearm better.
Speaker C:And it was understanding the mechanics, getting interested in it, and then saying, hey, I would like to design something.
Speaker C:I want to make something.
Speaker C:I want to be my own innovator.
Speaker C:And you've inspired other people to do that too, which is fantastic, because that's ultimately what the Second amendment is protecting.
Speaker C:We're an industry built off of innovation, and.
Speaker C:And that only comes from people being intimately capable of manufacturing their own firearms.
Speaker C:And this is a tradition that is older than our Republic and GOA and gof, our sister organization.
Speaker C:We fight on the basis of tech's history and tradition.
Speaker C:And when it comes to this concept of manufacturing your own firearms, it's a tradition that predates our country.
Speaker B:Totally.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think a lot of people don't forget that sometimes when they're thinking about 3D printed guns as, like, some kind of scary, crazy thing.
Speaker B:And it's just really the technology.
Speaker B:Like a lot of people say, it's just like, yeah, the technology's changing, but the rights don't change regardless of the technology and the traditions don't change.
Speaker B:It's just the technology is changing.
Speaker B:So it's always been your right to make your own gun.
Speaker B:And whether it's with a 3D printer or whether it's with a CNC mill or whether it's with, you know, bending a flat to make an AK receiver or whatever it is, just 3D printing makes it a whole lot easier.
Speaker A:Now, there's a lot of options to make a gun.
Speaker A:I mean, there's 80 percenters, there's 3D printing.
Speaker A:What made you choose 3D printing over 80 percenters?
Speaker B:So, I mean, 80 percenters, I've done plenty of those too.
Speaker B:And those are cool in their own right, for sure.
Speaker B:But the 3D printing as a.
Speaker B:As a technology and the flexibility that you have with 3D printing, that's fascinating to me, is just all of the different designs that people come up with are like nothing that you could ever get from a company that does 80% stuff.
Speaker B:And that's because 3D printing, you're making a hundred percent gun, right?
Speaker B:You're not having to do.
Speaker B:You might have to clean up some holes so that the pins fit in not so tight.
Speaker B:But this isn't drilling stuff.
Speaker B:This isn't taking out a ton of material from the trigger pocket.
Speaker B:Like, this is.
Speaker B:You print it and it's ready to go.
Speaker B:And that's convenient.
Speaker B:But also just the amount of designs out there, like, I made a.
Speaker B:So I actually don't design anything that I do.
Speaker B:I'm just basically the guy, like, if Grantham reviews a gun, but I'm just like reviewing the 3D printed gun that I made, right?
Speaker B:And a lot of people think, like, oh, 3D printing guns, like, they don't have a serial number.
Speaker B:Like, isn't that illegal?
Speaker B:But no, it's.
Speaker B:If just like it is with anything else that you make yourself, it is for you and you only.
Speaker B:So you make it and it's for yourself, that's for you, that's your gun.
Speaker B:And you, I think now don't.
Speaker B:You know, I think it might be.
Speaker B:Some states have certain laws around it, but if you want to sell it, you got to have a serial number on it, usually.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But that's what you're doing.
Speaker B:You're making it for yourself.
Speaker B:And that's what is so cool about the designs out there, is that you can really, like, make it your own.
Speaker B:And a lot of people have done that and like, added things and tweaked things, whereas you can't do that with an 80% lower.
Speaker B:I mean, you could obviously, like Cerakote it or.
Speaker B:Or maybe engrave something on it.
Speaker B:But like, this is a totally different thing.
Speaker B:Like, I did a video, which is like a very silly video, but it's also kind of a little bit of a political statement about how I, you know, how like, for example, marijuana, right?
Speaker B:I know that's a.
Speaker B:It's a, It's a touchy topic, but the way that our federal, the federal government treats marijuana as the schedule of drug that it is, right?
Speaker B: that if you, you know, sign a: Speaker B:Like for here, for example, here in Nevada, I believe it's legal, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B: then you go and you fill out: Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:On that.
Speaker B:On that form.
Speaker B:So there's a gentleman out there who designed a water pipe, of course, for tobacco use only.
Speaker B:That's also a Glock 26.
Speaker B:So it's literal pipe that's also a firearm.
Speaker B:So, I mean, you have things like that.
Speaker B:Obviously, that's not everyone's cup of tea.
Speaker B:I Get that.
Speaker B:That might make people uncomfortable, but it's that kind of thing.
Speaker B:You're not gonna get a gun.
Speaker B:You can't buy a gun over the shelf.
Speaker B:That's also a tobacco pipe for tobacco use only, of course.
Speaker B:Yeah, so that's a.
Speaker B:It's called the Glong.
Speaker B:And yeah, it's also a music video that I put out too.
Speaker B:So yeah, check that out.
Speaker A:So you just brought up a music video.
Speaker A:You do music, you know, you had that passion as a kid.
Speaker A:What made you continue to do.
Speaker A:I mean, you've got some hits out there.
Speaker A:There's a lot of people in the gun community who've used your videos and your music on top of their reels and their shorts.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean that makes me super excited when people are into the music that I make.
Speaker B:Like the HK Slap.
Speaker B:I made a video about that because I had done a 3D printed MP5.
Speaker B:And so I thought it'd be a great time to, to make a video, an homage and a song homage to the, the, you know, iconic HK Slap, obviously, which I heard that it got back to the HK executives.
Speaker B:I don't know how much they loved it, but I know that everyone else loved it, so that's okay.
Speaker B:You know, they, they got a little, I don't know what they got up there, you know, their nether regions at the HK guys, but.
Speaker B:But yeah, for the most part, feel of love that stuff.
Speaker B:And my goal is just ultimately, I think with just the music and the videos is like, like I said, try to keep it really light hearted, really fun.
Speaker B:I'd love to get hear stories about people that aren't even into guns that were.
Speaker B:Don't even own guns.
Speaker B:They watch my content and like the content and then that, that's just like taking them one step further towards like maybe being open to, you know, the, the gun culture a little bit and understanding it a bit more.
Speaker B:Because I think a lot of people don't understand it.
Speaker B:A lot of people don't see the fun side of it.
Speaker B:Don't see the fun side of going out with your friends and having a fun day at the range.
Speaker B:It doesn't always have to be always about obviously it's about protecting the second amendment ultimately and spreading it.
Speaker B:But it's like people can have fun with guns and be safe and enjoy firearms ownership.
Speaker B:And part of that is just getting people a little bit more warmed up to the firearms industry and the firearms and just like making your own guns and having it be fun too, you know.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so I've put out a couple songs.
Speaker B:I got an album coming out this year, so we're gonna put out a bunch of more songs.
Speaker B:And, yeah, there's gonna be a lot of, hopefully, bangers that people enjoy on there.
Speaker A:I applaud you because, like you said, you started off being in it with a shotgun.
Speaker A:That's mostly clay hunting.
Speaker A:There's a certain term for that, what people would call that thing.
Speaker A:But you've really kind of jumped into the firearms community headfirst.
Speaker A:And I encourage other people to do it.
Speaker A:And just like you did, I encourage people to pick up a camera and film and talk and have fun.
Speaker A:I mean, there are people who are going to comment, but if there's.
Speaker A:And I've said this previously, you know, 100 subscribers is small to a lot of people, but that's 100 people you've touched, and that's 100 people who may not have been into the gun community who are now coming into the gun community.
Speaker A:So I applaud you for creating this community and showing people that there's a side to the Second Amendment where you can build your own gun and have that feel of, you know, and being an engineer and touching it and getting that.
Speaker A:And you've inspired a ton of people to get into this.
Speaker B:Yeah, that.
Speaker B:And that's always really, really heartwarming and makes me want to keep going, is when I hear those stories about people that have started their own YouTube channels because they watch my stuff and liked it or found some inspiration from it.
Speaker B:And I just actually was on the phone with.
Speaker A:With.
Speaker B:I was at a party last night and ran into a guy who was like, oh, my younger brother.
Speaker B:Like, this is a huge fan.
Speaker B:He started, you know, making these.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He works at SolidWorks now.
Speaker B:I won't say it is, but SolidWorks is a CAD design program, and he, like, works there now.
Speaker B:And he wasn't doing anything, you know, with that until he got into 3D printed guns through watching my YouTube channel.
Speaker B:So it's like he's now got a job at SolidWorks, the CAD design program, and he's doing that stuff.
Speaker B:And he, like, was telling me that he actually was in California.
Speaker B:And legally, which is a lot of people don't know you can actually legally 3d print a gun in California.
Speaker B:But they recently changed the law.
Speaker B:I think it was because of this kid, because he submitted five separate serialized 3D printed guns to them.
Speaker B:So the way that the California laws work, to my knowledge, obviously, I'm not a lawyer, but there's a requirement that if you're going to make your own gun?
Speaker B:It has to be.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:And if it's a plastic gun, if it's a 3D printed gun, you have to embed, I think it's 3.5 ounces, a 3.5 ounce piece of steel that is engraved with a serial number inside the the gun.
Speaker B:And they have to do it in such a way that if you remove the piece of steel it renders the firearm inoperable.
Speaker B:Just a lot of requirements obviously, and that's not surprising for California.
Speaker B:But I think so, yeah.
Speaker B:He basically did five of those.
Speaker B:And just because he was also.
Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker B:Obviously my goal would be like get the heck out of California because it's not great for guns.
Speaker B:But he was like determined to be that dude in California 3D printing guns legally.
Speaker B:So I applaud him for that.
Speaker B:And for every person that's doing that legally, I'm sure there are probably quite a few that are not caring about it.
Speaker B:But unfortunately, obviously we've got some states out there like Washington, California, New Jersey, New York, to name a few.
Speaker B:I mean Maryland now I think that are restricting your right to make your own gun, which is unfortunate.
Speaker B:But the thing with 3D printing though, I hate to bring break to federal government and state, local governments.
Speaker B:You know, you can't really stop it.
Speaker B:There's no way to stop it.
Speaker B:People have 3D printers and they're gonna 3D print guns whether you like it or not.
Speaker B:So good luck with that.
Speaker C:So how is it for you and just to have a channel obviously focused on that 3D printing when the whole Second Amendment is under attack, but that your particular space is probably the most villainized space.
Speaker C:We hear the word ghost gun all of the time.
Speaker C:We know it's a co opted word that is meant to instill all of this fear.
Speaker B:Scary.
Speaker C:Scary, yeah.
Speaker C:So how is it operating in that space and what are the kind of encouragements you see in that fight as it develops?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a great question.
Speaker B:You know, I sometimes in the past, well, you know, I've thought about a lot and sometimes I'm like, damn, it's.
Speaker B:I feel like or darn.
Speaker B:It's like I don't.
Speaker B:I have this mask on.
Speaker B:It's only like adding to the kind of perception, negative perception of like people, you know, it's scary with no ghosts.
Speaker B:You know, with the ghost guns, this guy's wearing a mask like.
Speaker B:And then that is unfortunately a part of the, that YouTube channel that I feel like, you know, sometimes I'm like go Back and forth on like the mask.
Speaker B:It's part of the character, but it's like it kind of maybe gives a little bit of a negative stigma towards the or continues that, you know, confirms a negative stigma that, that unfortunately 3D printed guns have kind of gotten over the past few years.
Speaker B:You know, I think there's been a lot, you know, there's been some edgelords in the, in the 3D printed community that have, you know, that have really just been like giant middle finger to the government.
Speaker B:And I get that because it kind of is.
Speaker B:But you know, I think with the 80 we saw, with the 80 percenters mainly they're talking about 80% guns.
Speaker B:But I think more in the, you know, recent past few years, it's become more and more.
Speaker B:They become more and more aware that it's actually a, you know, rising popular form of making your own gun.
Speaker B:So it's not just like some kind of niche.
Speaker B:And it's still pretty niche, but it's not as niche as it was a few years ago.
Speaker B:So it's definitely when I see, you know, there's a lot of propaganda against ghost guns and I guess I'll call it a ghost gun against 3D printed, you know, privately manufactured firearms, you know, making your own guns.
Speaker B:So ghost gun obviously is very heavily weighted term that's supposed to make it scary.
Speaker B:And you know, we've seen that.
Speaker B:I've seen, you know, like the.
Speaker B:There's been articles that have come out about my.
Speaker B:You or that have mentioned my YouTube channel.
Speaker B:And like, I'll notice that when there's attention, negative attention from those, you know, big articles, like Sky News did one, Washington Post did one.
Speaker B:Like there's been a few have been mentioned.
Speaker B:And of course I get like roped into like being some kind of right wing extremist, which is not what I am.
Speaker B:Which is just kind of funny how they just, you know, put you in that category if you're making your own gun.
Speaker B:Which I would say that a lot of people in the 3D printed gun community are like kind of more just politically neutral or just, you know, kind of more just anti government in general.
Speaker B:But there's all sorts of people from all sorts of spectrums in that community.
Speaker B:Just like this is with the gun community.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, you know, I think that the perception of 3D printed guns, my goal is to try to change it a little bit.
Speaker B:Even though I am a guy in a mask that's got my identity somewhat, you know, secret and whatnot or just protected, I guess my goal is to just make that perception a little bit less scary as that might seem contradictory to kind of just the way I present myself.
Speaker B:But if you watch my channel, not just see little, you know, snippets of it, you'll know that I try to have pretty, a lot of like pretty light hearted fun, you know, and with the songs and with the videos and unfortunately YouTube has cracked down on me quite a few times luckily recently, you know, knock on wood.
Speaker B:I'll be, hopefully I won't get struck down tomorrow, but I've gotten like a few strikes on my channel over a period of time.
Speaker B:I've been on two strikes before, which is like one strike away from YouTube removing your entire channel.
Speaker B:And YouTube has made it very clear in their terms of service that they, you know, you can't instruction, you can't, you know, instruct people how to make a firearm.
Speaker B:You can't teach people how to make a firearm on YouTube, which, you know, I totally think is, is bulk bull crap.
Speaker B:But I have to follow those rules.
Speaker B:And I have been very careful about never including, never since the beginning of my channel including instructions or anything on how to do it or where to get the files.
Speaker B:Unfortunately that's not allowed.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I have to play by their, their rules if I want to be on YouTube, which is like the biggest platform for video consumption, you know, from like people are just creators.
Speaker B:So, so I've had to do that.
Speaker B:And you know, despite that, YouTube has cracked down on me quite a bit.
Speaker B:But I'm kind of in this point where things are getting a little bit better.
Speaker B:But we've seen quite a bit of censorship, particularly around 3D printed guns, because it's just people don't understand them.
Speaker B:You know, people oftentimes will be talking about how a gun works, which is like what Ian does in Forgotten weapons, right.
Speaker B:Or Grantham talking about, you know, what's the difference between direct impingement and gas piston system, for example.
Speaker B:And then he'll be talking about how the gases, you know, bring the bolt back and what the, what delayed blowback is and things like that.
Speaker B:And I'll be talking about that, but it'll be about a 3D printed gun.
Speaker B:And I'll say, well, this is how they managed to do the delayed blowback inside this 3D printed of a receiver.
Speaker B:And so me talking about that often gets perception.
Speaker B:You know, the perception of it is that I'm explaining how it's, how to make it when I'm just explaining this is the engineering behind this mechanism.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I have to Be super careful.
Speaker B:And I've actually had to stop even using the word 3D printing on my channel.
Speaker B:So I don't actually use the word 3D printing.
Speaker B:I call it either 3D squirting or just squirt it.
Speaker B:So we talk about squirting, which is always fun.
Speaker A:So with this perception of 3D printed guns from the left and other people.
Speaker A:Oh, has the reception been from.
Speaker A:I mean you're on YouTube and you're in the firearms space.
Speaker A:How's the perception and the reception been from firearms companies who've come to talk to you?
Speaker A:Because some, I don't know if there's any negative connotation they have against you or have they asked you for input or anything.
Speaker B:Well, I mean there's, I mean a lot of companies, they just like my channel, watching my channel just because it's fun for them.
Speaker B:They like the reviews of guns that I've done.
Speaker B:Like, I've done plenty of reviews on non 3D printed guns because I find that really fun too.
Speaker B:Or just if it's like a different concept, like Mean Arms, for example, they just came out with a bearing delay blowback AR upper, which is super neat and cool and different.
Speaker B:And so like I like really innovative cool designs partnership partially because like that's kind of what got me into guns is like how they work.
Speaker B:And so it's, I find it really fascinating when there's something new and different, you know, or something that's slightly different than what's the norm.
Speaker B:So I've had a lot of companies reach out that just enjoy my content, want me to do, you know, some, some stuff with what they, what they're making.
Speaker B:So that's kind of cool.
Speaker B:But they, a lot of them are, I think are intrigued by 3D printing too.
Speaker B:And just like the, a lot of them do a ton of 3D printing because they prototype stuff.
Speaker B:So I mean that's a huge part of the firearms community in general.
Speaker B:And companies as they use 3D printing, whether it's FDM or MJF 3D printing or even for example SIG of all people, they make titanium 3D printed silencers.
Speaker B:And a bunch of other companies do that too because it's like you can actually utilize without subtractive, like machining.
Speaker B:You can do a ton of stuff with additive manufacturing.
Speaker B:What you can't with taking material away.
Speaker B:So yeah, there's all these companies.
Speaker B:I've been using 3D printing for years actually, but it's just now kind of more accessible and in the consumer's hands a bit More.
Speaker B:And we're seeing a ton of innovation in 3D printed suppressors as well.
Speaker B:From the consumers or from like the just enthusiast, hobbyist side obviously form one legally.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Do you think that any companies would come out with 3D printing lowers and guns?
Speaker B:That's interesting.
Speaker B:Well, I think, you know, Mean Arms, for example, they've been in the injection molding industry for a long time.
Speaker B:For like 50 years their family's been doing it and they just came out with a just an injection molded lower receiver which is nothing new.
Speaker B:But their approach to it was to put a aluminum section on the buffer tower which is where the, like the print and the printing side of things that usually fails.
Speaker B:That's usually where it fails.
Speaker B:So my buddy Hoffman Tactical has designed a 3D printed AR fire air lower that utilizes a hose clamp and it actually clamps the top section of the buffer tower and it clamps it together around the buffer tower so that it goes around the buffer tube and it keeps it really stiff, really secure.
Speaker B:And he's got these ribs that support it.
Speaker B:So there's companies like are doing injection molding and doing the same kind of thing of like reinforcing certain areas.
Speaker B:And it's like all kind of similar in ways but just different approaches.
Speaker B:And I think with 3D printing, like we've seen companies prototype, like PSA for example, a lot of their stuff is mjf3d printed.
Speaker B:Like the mp7 thing that they've put out this year, which is super cool and the hotness and everything, which I think is awesome.
Speaker B:That's the 3D printed part.
Speaker B:It's just not FDM3D printing, it's MJF.
Speaker B:So it's like multi jet fusion versus FDM printing.
Speaker B:So it's a little bit of a different process.
Speaker B:But all these companies, a lot of them use, use it to prototype.
Speaker B:Whether or not they'll use it as like a final design.
Speaker B:That's, you know, usually they'll go with like a, you know, injection molding because they're going to do a ton of the, the parts.
Speaker B:And so it makes more sense to do it not 3D printed.
Speaker B:But we've seen a lot of companies putting out parts like grips and grip panels and things like that that are 3D printed, but they're just not, they're just done in a little bit more durable way.
Speaker C:Yeah, with goa, we worry about the legislative process and we're very intimately involved in that as well as the litigation.
Speaker C:And we've sued many times about the 80% and we want to see that community continue to thrive.
Speaker C:In addition, depending upon when this airs, the funding for the Undetectable Firearms act is supposed to expire March 8.
Speaker C:Goa is about to send or has sent a letter with a whole bunch of co signers urging Congress to do the right thing and not refund the Undetectable Firearms act from the 3D printed community.
Speaker C:How does that feel for you guys?
Speaker C:Because I often feel like you guys are viewed as on an island of your own.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, we're always viewed as extremists because I guess it's like the most.
Speaker B:I mean, it's almost.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like the most kind of.
Speaker A:More.
Speaker B:I don't like using the word extreme, but it's like the.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Making your own gun is like, definitely more metal than anything else in the gun industry for sure.
Speaker B:And so I'm to use a fun, funny pun, because the undetectable.
Speaker B:Undetectable Firearms act is all about, like, whether it has metal in it or not, you know, and like, like, people are worried about stuff going through metal detectors and not being detected, which I think is kind of funny because, like, what is a bullet made out of?
Speaker B:What are the casings made out of?
Speaker B:Like, if you go through the scanner at an airport, like, and you have like a keychain that's shaped like a bullet, like, or even anything close to it, you're gonna get patted down and searched or whatever, or you're gonna get pulled aside.
Speaker B:So there was this whole panic, I remember in the.
Speaker B:Well, I don't remember because I wasn't alive, but doing research on it in the 80s when Glocks came out and it was like the polymer frame of a handgun was a new thing.
Speaker B:And people had this whole freak out about, oh, it's gonna get their metal detectors, it's undetectable.
Speaker B:Which is not the case because we all know that.
Speaker B:Yeah, A frame of a Glock without any of the internal rails that are, you know, epoxied or glued in there.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That could get through a metal detector.
Speaker B:But how are you going to shoot anything with that?
Speaker B:You're not.
Speaker B:You could throw it at someone and maybe give them a little ouchy, but not.
Speaker B:Not going.
Speaker B:But even a completed frame is going to have the trigger, you know, the disconnector, all that stuff, like the striker, all that stuff is going to be in the gun and it's gonna set off its metal.
Speaker B:So it's a lot of panic about, you know, I think it's.
Speaker B:It's like we've seen before it's just a scary guns undetectable.
Speaker B:You were use the word untraceable and it's like what is really untraceable when it comes down to it?
Speaker B:I mean like I get that the whole, I get the whole thing where yes, it's, I guess you can help trace a gun after a crime's happened with a serial number like figuring out where it came from.
Speaker B:But ultimately the, the deed was done on usually in, in some kind of messed up circumstance where the police have recovered a gun for some reason.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And some crime has happened.
Speaker B:The crime still happened, sadly, but it still happened.
Speaker B:And I think more effort needs to be put into preventing that stuff rather than, okay, let's do a whole audit on the FFL that sold it three years ago that then, you know, someone straw purchased it or whatever it went.
Speaker B:You know how that works.
Speaker B:But you know, I think that there's just a lot of fear and a lot of fear propaganda going into untraceable guns.
Speaker B:You know, and it's like with good police work usually you can, you know, either figure out where it came from or figure out how to prevent it from happening again.
Speaker B:So that's my take on it.
Speaker B:I don't know exactly all of the specifics of the actual act, so I can't really comment too much about it.
Speaker B:But I know that it has to do with like certain metal parts being in a certain part of the firearm or whatever.
Speaker B:And you know, I think the Liberator was the first 3D printed gun and actually doesn't really use any metal parts other than the ammo.
Speaker B:So yes, a gun can get through, you know, a 3D printed gun, completely 3D printed that can maybe shoot one shot, maybe could get through a metal detector, but you still need the ammo.
Speaker B:So I think that's something that a lot of people don't think about.
Speaker C:Yeah,.
Speaker A:Well, it just shows you how much some of these politicians don't understand how guns work.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean before you start regulating something, you should probably know how it works.
Speaker A:I mean, let's talk about the congresswoman who said that an AR15 weighs as much as 50 shipping boxes.
Speaker A:Like, come on, 100 rounds in the chamber or 100 rounds in the chamber.
Speaker A:Hey, if there's a gun with 100 rounds of the chamber, I will take that.
Speaker B:Yeah, sounds like a pretty innovative product.
Speaker B:Yeah, 30 round clip in half a second as they say.
Speaker B:California.
Speaker A:It's just, it blows my mind that the, the people who want to come after firearms know nothing about it, are uneducated about it.
Speaker A:You know, I encourage people to.
Speaker A:Well, I shouldn't encourage people to do this, but I'm going to encourage people to blow up these people's inboxes with actual information.
Speaker A:Because if you teach them, they may see the light.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or at least have a better way to approach it if they're trying to decide laws around it.
Speaker B:Being fully informed about it would be the best request that anyone could give.
Speaker B:Is just like the best homework you could do if you're talking about something that you want to change, whether you hate them or not.
Speaker B:Having the research to back it up, to understand them and to really get an idea of what they're like and what the community is like, obviously.
Speaker B:I mean, that's maybe asking a little too much, but I mean, it would be great if people could give it a little bit more, just a little bit more effort into understanding it, because that's what I would hope for all politicians and not just issues like guns, but everything really.
Speaker B:And we don't have to get into specifics.
Speaker B:But it would be great if.
Speaker B:If people from both sides were able to really learn about the other side, even if they absolutely oppose whatever it is, learn about it and then make an informed decision instead of having all of these preconceived notions and fear about what the other side thinks.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Well, ignorance is a curable disease.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so much of our society and so much of politics is perpetuating ignorance when it comes to, you know, all of the misnomers and the misunderstandings about firearms specifically because, you know, they're trying to shape a narrative.
Speaker C:And that's why we see terms like ghost guns get used in the first place, or even red flag laws or assault weapons.
Speaker C:Like all of these are just remanufactured language to instill a narrative that just isn't accurate.
Speaker B:Yeah, completely.
Speaker B:And yeah, we see a lot of that and it would be.
Speaker B:It would be great if that stuff went away.
Speaker B:But unfortunately, I think the other side is going to continue to try to use fear to scare people and unfortunately use tragic events to further their narrative.
Speaker B:And it would be great if they could take a step back and maybe look at, okay, well, why are these things happening?
Speaker B:Why are these events happening?
Speaker B:What could we do other than trying to ban guns, which will never work in this country to prevent some of these horrible events from happening.
Speaker B:And I think the second amendment for everyone.
Speaker B:I think a lot of people kind of don't understand maybe what it's about.
Speaker B:I think ultimately, and it's about fighting tyrannical government.
Speaker B:And ultimately it came out.
Speaker B:I mean, that is kind of what it's based in, to be able to, if that was, you know, needed in this country.
Speaker B:Not saying it is like in terms of, you know, any kind of.
Speaker B:I don't want any kind of conflict, you know, within our country because that would be horrible.
Speaker B:But it is that reserving that right to bear arms and fight tyranny.
Speaker B:So that's ultimately what it's about.
Speaker B:And it also, you know, encompasses self defense and all of these other things and hunting and all that stuff, which is great.
Speaker B:But, you know, ultimately that's what it's about.
Speaker B:And, and you know, the rifles that we fought the British with were assault weapons at the time.
Speaker B:So I'm like, I get this, the why they use that term, but it's also like, yeah, I should be able to own military rifles.
Speaker B:Like that's what it's about.
Speaker A:Yeah, we all want more freedom and we want to spread freedom.
Speaker A:And this is the first time of this episode, but hashtag repeal the nfa.
Speaker A:You know, the thing that you brought up that really is kind of like sticking with me right now is that we have, I remember growing up, this wasn't an issue, but we have this issue now where we can't have a conversation, we can't talk.
Speaker A:It's always about who's the loudest at the end or who's got the biggest, you know, voice.
Speaker A:And we need to get back of having that conversation and going, you don't agree with me, I don't agree with you.
Speaker A:But at the end of the day, we're still friends.
Speaker A:And we're not getting that anymore.
Speaker A:And I don't know why, but we need to come back to, hey, we may disagree on certain topics, but we, at the end of the day, we're still friends.
Speaker A:And that shouldn't, you know, hurt our friendship in the long run.
Speaker B:Totally, totally.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I was out today with a bunch of friends shooting in the middle of the desert.
Speaker B:I had a friend with an SOT came by, we shot a bunch of machine guns.
Speaker B:And it was with a bunch of different people from all sorts of political spectrums, all sorts of people.
Speaker B:And we're all getting along, having fun, shooting guns, whether some of us have completely opposite political beliefs.
Speaker B:And I think more of that is needed in this country.
Speaker B:And I think when we get to listen to our brothers, our sisters, and even if we don't agree with them, being able to listen to that and not just hearing them out and hearing what they have to say, Even if we disagree with it, I think more of that is better for this country.
Speaker B:And I think we are in a place right now where there's a huge divide.
Speaker B:A huge divide and stuff like online discourse is sometimes very toxic.
Speaker B:A lot of times very toxic too.
Speaker B:The progression of that in a positive direction in terms of our relationships with each other.
Speaker B:And so I think that stuff is hugely important to try to improve on, you know, and I.
Speaker B:And I wish that I could say that I think it's going to get better, but, you know, I'm hoping that it does.
Speaker B:And that's one of my goals too in the channel, is just to kind of get people together too.
Speaker B:And even if you hate guns and you like my channel, like, that's a step in the right direction, you know, So I want to try to bring people from outside in and particularly get younger people involved too, because I think the younger generation will bring us into a better place, hopefully.
Speaker A:Hey, I applaud you for what you just said.
Speaker A:I really respect that.
Speaker A:I want to.
Speaker A:Again, we've had our time, unfortunately.
Speaker A:This has been a great conversation.
Speaker A:Thank you again for coming on.
Speaker A:We really appreciate it.
Speaker A:If you don't mind, go ahead and plug away on whatever you want to plug and we will wrap this up.
Speaker B:Will do well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I want to thank Gun Owners of America and you both for having me.
Speaker B:It's been a great time.
Speaker B:Thanks for your time.
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