Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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:people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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:Welcome back to the show everybody.
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:I am your host, Dixie, and today
we're gonna be talking about the
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:literal miles people go to save lives.
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:Our guest is Vicki Johnson-Cain,
a foster coordinator and the
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:force behind willpower transport.
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:Vicki founded this mission in memory of
her son William, and today she's sharing
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:how that legacy of willpower is getting
dogs outta shelters and into loving homes.
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:Vicki, it's an honor to have you here.
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:. Vicki: Good to be here.
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:Dixie: Tell me about yourself.
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:How did you get involved in
animal rescue, and what do you do?
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:Vicki: Okay.
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:My career was in the marine
industry for 40 years,.
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:But in 2014 I lost my son.
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:He was 27 years old and we
were both avid dog lovers.
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:We always had dogs.
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:So when I lost him part of
the way I dealt with my grief
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:was I dove into animal rescue.
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:I started by helping at my local
shelter, they had a weekly dog
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:run that they did, they call it.
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:Rescue run club.
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:So I started that and in fact it
started on his birthday, so the
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:very first dog I ran with them was
on his birthday, in his memory.
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:So I've just have done everything
in my son's memory to carry it on.
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:So I just started out
doing that at the shelter.
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:And then one thing led to
another and I started getting
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:involved with different rescues.
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:And then I stumbled across a friend
of mine that had, had fostered
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:for take paws, rescue, so I got
involved with them pretty heavily.
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:Dixie: What do you do with take paws?
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:Vicki: Okay.
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:At take paws.
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:It started out where I just started
doing some I said I wanted to transport
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:when I retired, so it was like a couple
of years before I retired from my job.
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:And I worked shift work so I could,
I had one week on, one week off.
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:So on my week off I would do transports.
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:So that's how I got involved with take
paws, was just doing transports and then
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:one thing led to another and I fostered
for them and now I'm a foster coordinator
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:I've got over 30 dogs under me.
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:And a group of volunteers that
that work with me , for my group.
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:Dixie: I'd like to learn a little bit
more about your transports and why.
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:You decided to go that route
with doing a transport.
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:'cause that's a difficult thing.
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:That's a lot of driving
depending on where you're going.
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:And then I also would like to to talk
more about you being a foster coordinator.
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:If you can start with the transports and
tell us where have you been and how many
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:dogs were you transporting at one time?
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:Vicki: I normally drive between here
and Franklin, Louisiana new Iberia.
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:I have gone other places too,
but my weekly transport normally
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:starts out of Crowley, Louisiana.
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:And I have another lady
that drives with me.
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:So she starts, she lives out that way
and she starts the transport and normally
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:meets me around the Morgan City area.
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:I live in Destrehan, Louisiana, so
I meet them in there and like I said
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:we, transport for multiple rescues.
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:Take paws, trampled rose, big easy rescue.
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:Hail Mary, just multiple rescues, whoever.
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:Everybody knows that I do this on
Mondays, so if they need a dog out of
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:that area they'll call me up and ask me
to bring it back to the New Orleans area.
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:But the reason I started, I
don't really know why I started,.
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:There was just one day we were
talking, I said, oh, I'm off, every
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:other week, so I could probably drive,
and I could probably go pick up.
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:And once I did it, I got hooked.
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:I really did like doing it.
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:It's my main thing that I do like to do.
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:I just feel like given the freedom
ride, I just think that's just
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:something really good for me to do
in my son's memory that he would
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:really think that was pretty cool.
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:But I get a lot of joy out of it because,
they get in the car a little bit scared
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:and, I play some soft music for 'em.
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:They each get a new collar
when I pick them up.
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:And we play the.
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:Relaxation music.
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:So normally my rides back to New Orleans
are pretty quiet most of the time.
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:But it just, by the time we get
there, it just seems like they've
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:got a big weight lifted off their
shoulder and they just seem a little
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:bit calmer and they know they're safe.
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:I really get a lot out of that,
it fills my heart to do that.
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:Dixie: Now when you say a freedom ride,
I'm imagining because you're pulling
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:out of these high kill rural shelters.
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:Vicki: Yes.
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:Most of the dogs are coming
out of high kill shelters.
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:Most of them have been
on the euthanasia list.
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:We do work with some other local
rescues out that way and get some,
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:surrenders, owner surrenders.
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:But primarily it is dogs that
we're pulling from the shelters
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:to get off of the euthanasia list.
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:Dixie: And how many do you do at one time?
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:Vicki: That it just depends on the week.
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:I've had up to 15 dogs in my car.
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:Now I have a CX five Mazda crossover car.
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:I they say I play Crate Tetris
to get all the crates in.
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:So it just depends on the size
of the dogs, how many dogs I
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:can actually, fit in my vehicle.
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:Dixie: Yeah, you must be really good at
playing the Tetris then if you can fit 15.
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:And that's a lot.
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:Vicki: Yeah.
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:That it is.
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:Sometimes if it's a litter,
life is a life though.
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:But we can put, some
in the crates together.
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:But but mostly on Sunday nights
I go through the list and try
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:to figure out my configuration
and, to make sure it's gonna fit.
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:And sometimes . It gets close because
the dogs they say is 20 pounds is
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:really 35 pounds, and that makes a big
difference in the crate, so I have had
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:some oops moments where, I didn't know
if we were gonna fit everything in.
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:And there's been a couple of times where.
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:A dog had to , run shotgun
and sit in the passenger seat.
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:And I don't like to do that too often
just because they're coming straight
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:outta the shelter and you don't really,
know the temperament of the dog.
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:So I like to keep 'em contained in a
kennel and not running loose in the car.
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:But there have been a couple of
times we've had to pick the calmest
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:dog to sit in the front seat,
because we ran outta crate space,
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:Normally it works.
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:Dixie: You said that you
play relaxation music.
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:How did you come to start doing that?
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:Did you try like different music or
was that a recommendation by somebody?
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:, Vicki: In the shelter on in St.
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:Charles Parish, they used to play
that in the in the kennels, and.
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:While the the animals in the shelter,
it just seemed like it did calm
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:'em a lot, so I just tried doing
it in the car, and it does work.
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:I swear by it.
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:Some people like to play other music,
but, that's what I end up playing.
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:And it just seems to calm 'em down,
'cause they're a little stressed out
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:when you first get 'em in the kennel.
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:Dixie: It's funny that you say that
too because a while back I purchased
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:this pet relaxation music device.
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:It's this little thing that
you can put on the counter.
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:You press it and it plays the
music , you could set it like 15
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:minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes.
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:It's got all the sounds on it.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:But and it's got like meditative
music and I got correct.
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:I do the cat rescue and at the time we
had in a cat and he was very stressed.
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:Sometimes when the cats get stressed,
they like to go on the floor.
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:We were trying to solve
that behavior problem.
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:So I said, you know what, I'm
gonna get it and I'm gonna try it.
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:And it seems so stupid
at first, but it worked.
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:It actually works.
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:Oh, it
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:Vicki: definitely does.
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:People laugh at me when they
hear them, they're like, what?
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:And I'm like, I'm okay.
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:Try it.
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:It works.
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:But yeah I do that and, and we normally
end up coming back to New Orleans and,
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:some people meet me in New Orleans.
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:I'll stop in Metaire.
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:Just various stops just depending on
what rescue I'm transporting from.
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:How long, but does it like the
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:Dixie: entire
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:Vicki: trip
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:Dixie: take.
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:Vicki: The entire trip, usually I
eave my house normally around:
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:AM the meetup time is usually in Morgan
City area around noon, once I get
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:into Morgan City, , we don't rush it.
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:We take our time , to transfer
the animals from one crate to
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:another, and we like to take their
picture and give 'em a new collar.
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:When we do all that and get
'em loaded up in my car.
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:So it normally takes about
an hour for us to do that.
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:And then I head back to New Orleans.
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:But after I'll usually stay at,
take paws and help with the intake
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:of the dogs that I get for them.
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:I help with , the vaccinations
and, holding the dogs and
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:getting 'em all settled.
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:And then a lot of times if I'm bringing
any dogs back to my area for fosters, then
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:I end up bringing the dogs to the foster.
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:Meeting doing the introductions with
their animals if they have dogs.
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:So sometimes, my day doesn't end until
six o'clock and I've had even days where
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:I didn't even end until eight o'clock, and
then I've gotta unload my car, disinfect
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:the crates, and wash all the linens.
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:So it's a whole day affair every Monday.
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:Dixie: How is it that you went
from doing the transports to
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:being a foster coordinator?
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:Vicki: There was this one
dog named Neo that was at St.
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:Mary's Shelter.
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:And when I would come on my transport
each week, I would see the same dog with
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:a little bandana on just staring at me
in the kennel when I would walk through
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:to see if there were any dogs that.
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:The take paws might be interested in.
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:And this one dog just kept staring at me.
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:He was a little, bully
mix and I'm a bully lover.
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:And he was a little brindle bully and
he just kept looking at me and I'm
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:just like, we need to save this dog.
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:We gotta save this dog.
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:And so finally it was it was
like a Christmas Eve and I said,
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:look if we don't get a foster for
this dog, I'm pulling this dog.
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:I'm gonna foster it.
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:So I did and I failed.
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:So Neo is mine, but that's
how I started fostering.
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:. At that time, that gave me four dogs, and
I'm like I don't think I can handle it.
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:Fostering a dog with four pit
bulls already in my house.
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:I started by helping that applications
and, helping another coordinator.
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:And then again, one thing led to another
and it's why don't you just, just try
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:to take a couple of dogs and it started
out where I was not gonna have any more
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:than 10 dogs, and now I have 25 to 30, so
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:Dixie: Wow.
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:That's a lot.
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:Vicki: Yeah it is a lot.
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:We have multiple coordinators and,
it's just times are really, it's crazy.
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:It's just never ending right now.
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:And every one of us have about that many.
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:It's just crazy.
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:But, the dogs are all in foster homes and
trying to look for their forever homes.
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:And, I stay pretty involved with
my fosters and try to go over there
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:and take pictures and, we have some
outings together to make it like a
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:group and, just to try to make it fun.
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:'cause it, it can be.
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:Hard on your heart.
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:Some days, you get so attached
to these dogs and you wanna
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:see them get a good home.
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:And some days you think you
found that home and only to
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:find out that it really wasn't.
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:And then you've gotta keep on looking.
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:But that's how I did.
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:But , it's a tough one
because, there's just a lot of.
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:Of pieces to the foster coordinating.
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:You're not only just working, you're
finding the dogs, you're finding a
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:foster father, the dog, you're going
over all the applications for that dog.
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:And once the dog does get adopted,
you're really not finished because.
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:If it's a puppy, then you gotta follow
it through, until it gets spayed or
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:neutered when they're six months old.
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:Pretty much, it's a six
month commitment whenever you
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:Foster coordinate for puppies.
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:And if anybody has an issue with their
dog after it's been adopted, they
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:come back to the foster coordinator.
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:So it's a lot of responsibility.
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:Dixie: With doing the foster coordinating,
you said that you review the application,
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:so , are you the one that actually
approves the adoption applications?
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:Vicki: We have a lot to do with it.
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:The director of the rescue has say
so in things too, but we do have a
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:lot to do with it because we know
the dogs, I get my fosters involved
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:heavily in, all the process because
they know the dog better than I do.
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:So once I do the vet checks and.
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:Do the home checks and kind of
talk, talk to the applicant.
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:Then the next step is I have the foster
call them and let them talk about the dog
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:to make sure this is gonna be a good fit.
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:And then we set up a meet and
greet and that's all done by
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:the foster most of the time.
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:And then.
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:Then we either get an adoption
or we keep on looking.
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:So how many
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:Dixie: fosters are under you?
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:Vicki: I guess I have probably about 20
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:that at any given time.
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:I guess right now I've got 25
because each one has one, one dog.
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:. I live Destrehan and St.
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:Charles Parish, so most of my
fosters all lived out this way.
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:And it's funny I'm a pitbull girl
and I love pit bulls, but most of my
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:fosters are all little dog people.
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:So most of the dogs I'm pulling under me
are small dogs, which I think is funny.
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:Dixie: When you pull the dogs are you
primarily looking then in these like
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:rural shelters that you transport from?
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:Vicki: Yes.
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:We, we just look at the Facebook all
the time just different posts from
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:from the different shelters, from
different sites, different pages of
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:people looking to rehome their dogs.
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:, If I've got an available foster and I
see a dog that looks like their type,
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:then, that's what I'm gonna try to
pull, just because I know that I've got
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:somebody that'll take that type of dog.
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:I wouldn't pull a bunch of pit bulls
and then i've got Chihuahua fosters.
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:So it just depends on what
we see and, who's available
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:of what dog we have room for.
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:If we see a few dogs that we don't
have a foster far, then we've got a
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:foster page for take, paws, and we'll
post it on there looking for a foster
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:and, sometimes that's how you get
a new foster on your board then is,
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:once they say, I'll take that dog.
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:And then it's we can only take it if we
have a foster coordinator to handle it.
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:So then that way that's how
you end up getting new fosters.
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:Dixie: Yeah, and I know finding
fosters can be quite challenging.
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:Vicki: It is.
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:It's quite challenging.
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:Just the same as just
finding people, to adopt.
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:It's the whole process is challenging,
but we desperately need more fosters, we
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:need more people to help these animals
it's just the numbers are growing,
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:and , even now it just seems like there's
a lot of, people that are possibly
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:leaving the country and they're having
to get rid of their animals before
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:they head back to their home country.
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:And we've seen an upswing in that as well,
but it's just the owner surrenders are.
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:Unbelievable.
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:It's just unbelievable since
COVID, everybody got dogs when
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:they couldn't go anywhere.
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:And now that, things opened up,
it just seems oh we're too busy.
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:My job has me too busy and we can't
give time to the dog, I'm having a baby.
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:I'm moving.
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:Can't take the dog.
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:It's just never ending.
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:Dixie: What do you think is the most
successful way to find a new foster?
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:Vicki: I use social media a lot,
since I've been transporting.
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:A lot of people have started following
my page and so sometimes I'll put
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:it out on my personal page and I'll
get, some people that I didn't even
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:know were following me, actually.
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:And they'll reach out
and say they wanna help.
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:And so I use social media a lot
and, just word of mouth too.
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:A a lot of my friends are, dog lovers.
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:That's how I've managed
to build up my team.
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:Dixie: What are you doing to primarily get
'em adopted or get seen to get adopted?
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:Do you do like adoption events
or Primarily social media.
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:Vicki: Both, we have
numerous adoption events.
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:In fact, this week I
think we have five events.
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:And then sometimes I'll even get my
fosters together and we'll go to a local
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:dog friendly bar and just have a little
get together and we'll bring our dogs.
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:I take a lot of pictures.
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:I post a lot of pictures of
the dogs that I'm fostering.
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:I don't foster too often just because
, I'm usually on the road and it's hard.
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:But I lost a couple of my dogs
this year, so , I have taken
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:in three puppies since then.
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:But normally I don't.
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:Foster too much, but the need is there.
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:And I felt like I had a little
space in my home that I could try.
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:But yeah, we use a lot of social
media though, and it's getting hard.
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:I'm having some trouble on my social media
right now, just like trying to tag people.
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:I'm running into some issues, so it's
getting it's getting hard to, to spread
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:the word, because I was in Facebook
jail there last week for a while.
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:In fact, I still can't tag companies.
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:It won't let me do it.
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:So I don't know, I
guess I'm still in jail.
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:Dixie: Do you have any incredible
foster success stories of a dog
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:that maybe came from a really bad
situation and got the perfect home?
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:Vicki: Oh I just had one.
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:It was awesome.
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:There was this little.
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:Scruffy dog I saw advertised on,
that somebody had found in the
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:sugar cane fields in New Iberia.
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:And I looked at this dog and I'm
like, oh my gosh, this dog is crazy.
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:He was I don't think I've ever seen a
dog that looked like him, he looked like.
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:A ewok.
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:And so I said, I've got to have this dog.
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:He's just so ugly.
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:He's cute, and so we
found a foster for him.
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:And we named him Wicket.
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:And he just turned out
to be the coolest dog.
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:But he got adopted by, in January.
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:He got adopted in
January by a couple that.
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:Lives in Long Island, New
York, and they also have a home
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:here in the French Quarter.
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:But Wicket was just a little
bit too big to put on the plane.
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:He's 25 pounds or 27 pounds.
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:So he is a little bit too big.
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:He's too big to fit under the seat.
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:We had to look for ground
transport to get him up there.
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:We had it scheduled for him to leave.
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:And with all these weather
systems that we had recently the
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:transport kept getting delayed.
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:So wicket went through four different
fosters to keep him here safe while he
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:was waiting to get to his real family.
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:And, finally after two months
we got him there last week.
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:We got him there last week.
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:And this dog is living the life now.
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:They're sending pictures.
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:He's on the beach roaming
the beach and he's got furry
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:friends and they just love him.
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:I guess it was worth the wait.
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:So he's gonna be one of my favorites and,
there was another dog, his name was Chico,
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:and he was found I think like around
right around Christmas time and it was
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:another new Iberia dog and he was found.
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:Running with a female dog and
they were about like a year old.
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:And the female dog got adopted real
quick and then Chico, he was a mountain
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:cur mix and he was the funnest.
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:He was just crazy.
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:He would just make you
smile to look at him.
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:And we.
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:Tried and tried to get this dog
a home and it just took forever.
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:And finally after about two years,
he was wild hard to walk with.
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:And I always said that he needed somebody
very active or like a runner and.
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:Finally one of the girls that volunteers
with us asked if she could go pick up
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:Chico and start taking him for this
run club that she was belonged to.
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:And I'm like, oh, that's great.
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:I think that's perfect.
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:She started running with him
and she ended up adopted him.
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:And this dog is just as happy as can
be and he's running in the run club.
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:They all love him There.
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:And, he ended up exactly where
he was supposed to be, but he
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:was one of my favorite dogs.
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:And we had just a hard time,
keeping him on with a volunteer.
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:He went through a couple of volunteers.
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:We even tried him in boarding where
I could, get to him and take him
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:out on more outings to get him seen.
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:And finally he landed the home
that, that he really needed.
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:And so he's another one of my favorites.
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:Dixie: That's amazing and that's
great too, that it was a volunteer
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:'cause, I know with a volunteer
you'll be able to see 'em.
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:You'll be able to get the updates,
even though you're getting the
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:updates from the other one too.
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:It just still makes it a
little bit more special.
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:Vicki: Oh, absolutely.
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:I get to see him all the time, I
think if I didn't have four dogs,
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:I would've adopted it myself.
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:'cause I just love this dog.
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:And sometimes he even comes to some
of our events and we have this bond.
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:'cause I used to take him out a lot
and they remember . Like even with the
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:transports, I see dogs after a transport
and I really do think they remember you.
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:They remember that you saved them,
that you gave them that ride.
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:Dixie: I have to ask, with you being
so close to some of these dogs, are you
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:picky about selecting an adopter for 'em?
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:Vicki: I think so.
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:I think I am I know their story
and, we don't wanna fail them again.
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:And that reminds me of another one
that I'm struggling with right now.
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:And in fact I was part of a rescue.
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:A week ago with a hoarding case and
with Alyssa Muse, and I know you've had
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:her on your show with , it was like a
chihuahua hoarding case and cruelty case.
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:And one of the dogs that I got
from that, that I had tagged we
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:had named her lavender and she
was totally emaciated and scared.
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:Scared.
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:And I had a.
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:Approved adopter in mind for
her that was looking for.
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:Exactly.
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:A dog that looked like her.
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:And I felt this was a calm home.
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:It was a, single lady that
would be a good fit for her.
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:'Cause she didn't need a, a home
that has a lot of traffic going
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:through, just coming from the
situation that she came from.
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:You want a little calmer
atmosphere for them to.
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:Decompress and learn to trust again.
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:And she was doing really
good in her foster home.
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:We was putting some weight on her.
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:Just in a week's time.
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:She made a transformation
you wouldn't believe.
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:And the lady that I had in
mind did want to adopt her.
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:Got her to the lady and, not even
an hour after she had her, I was
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feel they were ready to adopt yet.
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this was the perfect home, for this dog.
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felt like, she's been failed again.
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I be a little bit pickier.
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to this dog, if that makes any sense.
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:But,, I felt bad that , she
went through this temporary.
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that she was starting to grow comfortable
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:And dogs are amazing how they
adjust much better than people do.
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:We hold grudges and dogs
just are so forgiving.
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:It's just amazing.
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:Dixie: Yeah at least they thought that
it wasn't gonna work out and they did
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:return her back, and that's good that
she was able to go back with her foster.
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:But I totally understand that because
I think what a lot of people don't
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adopt an animal, specifically from a
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fosters put in with these animals.
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:You know when these
animals Oh, absolutely.
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:Are when they're sick, they're
up all night with them.
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:They're worrying about them, and
so you wanna make sure that they
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:are gonna go to a home that gives
them the same amount of care,
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:Vicki: oh, absolutely.
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:We've taken them from a bad situation.
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:We don't want them to
return to a situation.
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:I know people have said,
oh, there's so many animals.
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:Why are you being so picky?
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:That's exactly why we're being
so picky, because, they've been
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:failed before, and and they've been
mistreated and they deserve better.
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:Dixie: Before we end the call, do you
have any final message for our audience?
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:Vicki: Open our hearts to
help an animal in need.
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:And sometimes, I guess what I said
the other day is . It hurts sometimes.
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:It's hard to to give
up time for an animal.
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:It hurts our heart to see them
suffer, but sometimes I think we
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:have to go through that pain and
being a little bit uncomfortable.
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:To see these animals
blossom into what they can.
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:And once you do that it's so
fulfilling I know some people
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:have said, oh, it's too soon.
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:I just lost my dog our dogs
would want us to help another
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:dog, and I truly believe that.
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:Or I wouldn't have been able to take in
three puppies after I lost two of my own.
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:No, it wasn't.
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would want me to do, and that's
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:It's just for us to open up our homes
and our hearts to help these dogs
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:because there's too many of 'em.
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:And and to help spread the word
about spaying, neuter and, keeping
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:your dogs on heartworm prevention
because , there's too many animals.
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:And if we don't do better with spay
and neuter and come up with a solution.
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:We're just never gonna catch
up, it's just a vicious cycle.
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:Dixie: Yeah, it definitely is.
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:And I think that's a
great final message too.
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:I couldn't agree more with that.
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:I wanna thank you for coming on
today and it's amazing the amount of
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:work that you're doing to get these
dogs into home with the transports
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:and the foster coordinating.
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:So thank you
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:. Vicki: Oh, my pleasure.
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:And like I said, it's what I
wanted to do in retirement and
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:it's definitely what I'm doing.
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:Dixie: Yep.
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:It sounds like you're very involved.
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:So I'm glad that these dogs have you.
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:Vicki: Oh, thank you.
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:Thank you.
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:Thank you for having me on the show.
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:And I've listened to several of your
podcasts and thank you for doing this.
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:Dixie: All right.
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:Thank you and I'm glad you're listening.
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:That's it for today's
episode of Animal Posse.
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:the advice of your own veterinarian.
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