When it comes to scaling, most business owners focus on sales and marketing, and they don’t realize how much their tech stack influences whether or not they can effectively and sustainably scale. 

But your tech stack is the very thing that can show you how effective your sales and marketing is. It can show you what’s working and what’s not. It makes it possible to enroll more clients. It’s what helps get clients better results and increases resigns and referrals. 

Kronda Adair, a digital marketer and Certified Automation Service Provider™, and Ashley share how to think about your tech stack, even if you’re not “techy” so you can ensure it can scale with you and why Airtable is at the center of scalable systems.

06:11 — What is Airtable? 

08:11 — The decision to offer done-for-you agency services

10:26 — How Airtable make it possible for you to make quick, data-informed decisions that help you scale  

12:52 — You need to be able to easily have access to any data you want 

14:59 —  Understanding open systems vs. closed systems and how to evaluate if your tech stack is scalable 

18:17 — The best software to use with Airtable to centralize your data into one place

24:16 — 💻Screenshare: Comparing community platforms to show how to evaluate your tech to determine what will be most scalable 

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She is a digital marketer and Certified Automation Service Provider™ who helps her clients make sure that no lead slips through the cracks and that every piece of email marketing content you create is used to its fullest potential. She created CRM to Sales to help overwhelmed and overworked teams use Active Campaign as the foundation for building a system that helps you save time and increase revenue.

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I have an Airtable and I have the interface where we can go and just say,

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show me all the sales from August of 2022.

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And then you can flip a button and see August of 2020, and my clients

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don't have that and I, it's really frustrating because the work that

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we're doing on the marketing side is we want to see are you getting results?

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Are you getting increased sales?

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Are you getting increased leads?

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And they don't have a hub to be able to see, like, All these things in one place.

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They're like, Oh, let me go log into ThriveCart And let

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me go log into QuickBooks.

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And then it's again, it's it's not the 18th century.

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Let's collect all this data in one place.

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Welcome to Systems Famous, the podcast where we're revolutionizing the coaching

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industry by putting client results first.

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I'm Ashley Pendergraft, a systems and automation expert with over five years

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of experience in the coaching industry.

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Let's get into the show.

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Hello friends, I am so excited to be popping

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into your podcast feed today.

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I hope you're having an amazing day.

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I am going to be sharing with you a replay of a live stream

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I did with my friend Karanda.

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She is an incredible active campaign expert, email marketing expert.

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We went live and we talked all about super nerdy tech stack things.

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Why you should make the switch to Airtable, why you should switch

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platforms at all, how to build a tech stack that is going to grow with you.

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There's so many amazing gems in this live stream I had to put it on the podcast.

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So I hope you enjoy and we're just going to head right into the replay.

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this is Karanda Adair with Karvel Digital.

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If y'all don't know me I founded Karvel Digital back in

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2013 making 500 websites, and

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I will skip the long journey to now where I'm a certified automation service

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provider and we help mission driven service based businesses to build

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marketing systems that can allow them to scale without burning out in the process.

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And I am here with Ashley Pendergraft from Systems Over Stress.

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And Ashley, I'm going to have you introduce yourself, but I want

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to just tell the story of how I came into your world and I think

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we met inside of a mastermind or we were like in the same circles.

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And I had discovered Airtable and I just came to know that like you were

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the Airtable queen and you were still operating under do the damn thing.

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And I was like, let me go see what she's doing with Airtable.

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Cause I'm pretty good with Airtable and we have the whole pot of

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gold, which is our system for managing and repurposing content.

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And I was like, I feel pretty good about my Airtable skills.

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And.

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So then I went and I saw what you were doing with air table and I was like,

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okay, yeah, no, maybe I'm not the one.

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And I remember the specific email.

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So you have systems over stress, which is your group program for

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helping people like manage their group programs with air table.

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And I remember the specific email that you sent where I was like,

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shit, I'm joining that program.

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I was like, all right, just let me know when it's open.

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And it was You sent a whimsical, it was a preview of a whimsical board.

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Of how you like document all the systems that you're building.

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And I was like, yeah, that's it.

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And I'm done.

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So then, yeah, I joined systems over stress.

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We've implemented, the sales hub, the launch hub, the group program hub.

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We've implemented those things, for ourselves.

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I was running a group program at the time content bootcamp.

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And it's been great.

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And then I realized like so many of our clients need what you were doing.

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And the last launch that you had for the group program, I was

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literally like, I was on Instagram.

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I was putting it in stories.

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I was emailing, I was like messaging clients directly and being like,

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you need to go get into this thing so that you can have these bases

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and then we'll set them up for you.

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And then you started an agency and I was like, great here, just take it all.

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So that's like our kind of introduction to, but introduce yourself and tell

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the story of how you got to where you are now on, on what you're focusing on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So my name is Ashley.

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I've been in this.

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world, I guess three, almost four years now.

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And I started as like a general systems expert.

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My first like little baby course was called Be Your Own COO.

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And it was like inbox management and file management.

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And it had a couple Airtable templates in it.

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And I have ADHD and I had never really understood.

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I didn't know at the time I had ADHD, but I was like hyper focused on Airtable.

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I was like, All I want to now talk about is Airtable.

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I was like, I was just obsessed with all of the things it could do

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and it really felt like I have done like I've been an event producer.

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I run systems and ops for like nonprofits for rock bands, all these things.

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And I just wish I had air table back in the day.

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Like I hated spreadsheets.

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Air table was like the magical new thing.

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And I re this was in 2019.

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And I was like, all I want to do is talk about air table.

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What if I did an air table one on one workshop?

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And like my mentors were like, nobody cares about a software.

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Like they just want like the transformation.

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I was like let me just try.

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So I did like an air table one on one workshop and it was like the

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most signups I had ever gotten.

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And my like big thing that I was selling, I was like, send me your

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spreadsheets and I'll just show you how they could be better in air table.

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And that really started my journey.

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So 2020 on, I have been like the internet's air table girl.

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So I can build absolutely anything in air table.

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I think every business owner, it's like an absolute requirement of their tech stack.

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But when I'm in the coaching world and like in the online course creator

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world, Airtable is great for so many things, but it's so great for managing

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your group programs and scaling those group offers and enhancing your program

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so you get better client results.

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There is so much, which I'm sure we'll get into, but so I've really just pivoted.

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I've been systems the whole time and then I was Airtable and now I've just

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really niche down into supporting course creators and online group program

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founders to manage the delivery and the operations and the onboarding,

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offboarding and re sign of their group programs all inside of Airtable.

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Okay.

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And of course I skipped a big step and I would like to hear

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your explanation for this.

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When people ask you, what is Airtable?

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How do you explain it?

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Yes.

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So how I explain it is.

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At its core, it is a database.

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And if it depends on if that makes people like scratch their head, I

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step back a little bit and I'm just think about your most organized

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spreadsheet and also how, like how bad it is to be in that spreadsheet,

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even when it's like at its peak.

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And how I really describe it is that Airtable becomes the source of truth for

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your business, for your group program.

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So that's what a database is.

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It holds everything about your students.

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Like their forms, I like to say you have spreadsheets and you have Google forms.

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Those don't really talk to each other.

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So you just have floating data all around your Google drive.

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Airtable as that source of truth can help you bring it all together.

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So you have one central place to look, one central place to train your team.

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So that's how I describe it in a nutshell.

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Yeah.

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And when I get new clients and they have spreadsheets and they're showing me and

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I'm going to look at the minute I want to just take a column and just drag it over.

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So it's next to something else.

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And I'm just like, Oh, I can't, a client of mine, one of my favorite things, a

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client of mine A contract of her sent her a spreadsheet and she just responded

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like it is not the 18th century, like we work in Airtable, like this needs

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to be in Airtable like tomorrow.

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It's like it's working because once you're in it you're like realize

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wow like spreadsheets are not it like let's move this all into

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Airtable so that's really fun.

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100%.

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Okay.

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So you, I have watched it's been really a pleasure to watch your journey and

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watch your messaging change because you went from, okay, I have a group

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program and I'm going to teach you how to do this, which is fine for me.

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Cause like we tech for a living, I can go in there and like

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tech with the best of them.

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And I literally said to clients, I'm like, Just go join and we'll set up

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your bases, but then you'll have the support when you have the questions.

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And now you've moved into being an agency where you're doing VIP days

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for people, talk about that transition and like, how did that come about?

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Yeah.

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So I did VIP days at the start when I be started becoming the

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air table girl, I did VIP days.

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That was my main.

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Then I wanted to scale.

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So I went into a group program and VIP days just inherently

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weren't scalable for me.

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And I was like, I'm never going to do these again.

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And then when I, what happened was we did a launch of systems over stress, the

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group program, and our pay in full bonus was, we'll set up your sales hub for you.

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And my operations manager, my, my delivery assistant, she set up 30 sales

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hubs by herself during the launch.

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And I was like.

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Did we just become an agency?

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Like other people can set this up for me.

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I had no idea.

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It was just like a happy accident that I was like, Oh, she can set up bases.

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This could be an agency.

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We did all of those for free.

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That was just like included in included in the group program.

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And so once that was shown to me and I, my coach is like very pro agency.

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I decided to try it.

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It's been a huge, learning curve.

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There is so much that your table can do.

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And there is just that balance of wanting to set things up

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without overwhelming people.

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And I think as like tech specialists, that is the delicate

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balance of yeah, we set it all up.

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And they're like, I don't know how to use any of this.

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This is horrifying.

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And so that is that's the things that we have to navigate.

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But people were just, once I got rid of the VIP days and started the

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group program, people were asking me, will you set this up for me?

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And I'm like, no, you should go through the program.

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Everyone can do it.

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And I think we have to like, step back and be okay with not everybody can do this or

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wants to do this or has the time to do it.

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So you can pay me and my team to set it up for you.

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So I had to get out of my own way and allow people to

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pay us to set it up for them.

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I so relate because I went through a whole phase where I spent, I probably spent

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a good three months building a course.

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To teach people how to create their own WordPress website.

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And I was like, it's drag and drop.

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It's fine.

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You can do it.

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And it's no, some people just cannot do it and they should just pay.

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Yeah.

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So talk about some of the results that like the before and after of cause I mean,

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I'll start actually, because I know that.

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Now, one of my big frustrations is that we have a sales hub.

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So like I have an Airtable and I have the interface where we can go and just say,

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show me all the sales from August of 2022.

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And then you can flip a button and see August of 2020, and my clients

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don't have that and I, it's really frustrating because the work that

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we're doing on the marketing side is we want to see are you getting results?

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Are you getting increased sales?

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Are you getting increased leads?

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And they don't have a hub to be able to see, like, All these things in one place.

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They're like, Oh, let me go log into ThriveCart And let

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me go log into QuickBooks.

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And then it's again, it's it's not the 18th century.

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Let's collect all this data in one place.

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So just talk about some of the transformations like from your other

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clients and what that's been like.

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Yeah.

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I think the biggest thing is just the speed in which you can make decisions

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when everything is in one place.

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So exactly what you're just talking about, like if you are on a call

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with your coach and they say, how much money did you make last August?

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You could be like, Oh, hold on.

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Let me pull up Stripe.

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And then let me pull up Dubsado and then let me pull up Thrivecart

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and piece them all together.

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And then that reporting would be out of date the moment you

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create, you export the CSV.

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But when we bring everything into one central source of

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truth inside of Airtable.

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Then all of that data is live.

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So you can answer any question you have is about your business whenever you want.

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And I think that is something that is so powerful.

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And also when all the data is in one place, like you can see,

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we're talking about the sales hub.

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Every product is inside of your sales hub.

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Every sale is, so you can see.

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Whoa.

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Like this product that I spent zero time making this 19 product

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has brought in 20, 000 in revenue.

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And this thing that I like spent so much time on has barely brought in anything.

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And it helps you make those like data driven decisions without the

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pressure of having to like make all those reports have your VA make

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all those reports and all of that.

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And I see that Chris Davis is watching live Hey, Chris And I remember him telling

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a similar story in one of our weekly calls that like he just got the inkling like oh

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Maybe I need to change this up and then he looked at the data and it was like, oh

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no You need to do you need to keep going?

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So I want to talk about Well, okay.

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There's a couple of things.

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One is we're talking a lot about data, right?

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Airtable is a database.

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We're talking about creating a central source of truth.

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And creating that source of truth requires automating the movement of data.

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And I think...

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Like in my work with clients and just in looking at the, the conversations

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I have with other entrepreneurs, I think a lot of business owners do

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not understand how important it is to be able to move their data around.

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Can you just talk about that for a second?

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Yes.

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Not like I, you should be able to export your data whenever

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you want, however you want.

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Dubsado, I'm coming for you.

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You can't export shit out of that thing.

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And it's so frustrating, and what's really the biggest thing for Karanda

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and I is we love the central source of truth, but not all softwares are created

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equal when it comes to automations.

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So there's like literal platforms where you can't.

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Get like you can't set up a zap to add them into your air table

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base, or you can't when there's a failed payment update that.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:14:00

Whenever I'm looking at a new software, I don't look at the pricing page first.

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I don't look at anything.

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I go to Zapier and see if it has Zapier integrations.

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And that really helps me like lead my decisions.

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If there's a new sexy platform on the market, yeah.

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And it's, half the cost of something else, but it doesn't have Zapier automations.

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It's going to cost me so much more time in manual work and

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labor and all of these things.

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So it's just not worth it.

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So the, like creating the unified tech stack and making sure that tech stack

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can scale with you is super important because you realize, you set something up.

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You're like, yeah, it worked for now.

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Oh, let me try to pull this data.

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Let me try to move it around.

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And you just can't.

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And it's a really, it's a really like binding place to be.

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Yeah.

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I always liken it to, going into a relationship that

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seems good at the beginning.

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And then you find out like, it's not like you're trapped basically.

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And, Dubsado is.

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Yeah, Dubsado is definitely on my list for that.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:14:59

And I think the, if you're watching this and you're not, technical and you don't

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:15:03

tech for a living, and you want a way to think about this, really, I think about

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:15:06

it in open systems and closed systems.

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So there are, there's software out there that are open systems, which means they

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make it easy for you to export your data.

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They connect with things like Zapier or they have native integrations to connect

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to other apps because they understand that you need to move your data around.

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And then there are closed systems that have really great marketing

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and really great user bases.

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And so I'm always saying please don't take tech advice from your

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coach unless your coach is Ashley.

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It's like the coaches are all just Oh yeah, we use Kajabi,

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everybody should use Kajabi.

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And it's they're not technical.

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They're just using what their coach told them to use.

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And so I'm always trying to get people to take this seriously in terms of

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you, you need to start thinking about, especially if you're, let's say you're

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:15:53

at the, two 50 mark in revenue and you want to scale, you need to start

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thinking about an integrated tech stack and not just like going on Facebook

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and saying what's a good tool for X.

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And I've been seeing this more and more.

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I hate those posts.

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I hate them so much.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:16:10

So I think something else I want to just add to this is I like to give people like

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agency and say you can't if you stay in Kajabi, here's what that means for you.

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You can't really easily do projected payments, kick people out.

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Like you can't like here are the limitations and some people to do decide.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:16:31

My budget is at a place where I can't like my budget or my timeline, or I'm willing

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to have a team member do manual work.

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So I don't have to do that migration.

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And I'm like, great as well.

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It's almost like a disclaimer.

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I was like, as I, I understand that things will be harder if I use this software.

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I'm like, cool.

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As long as when you feel good about that decision, keep cruising.

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And we can do as much as we can, but.

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I do want to make I want people to be, like, as informed as possible.

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If you want to scale and automate to the gills this isn't it.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:16:59

Yeah.

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And that same, it's like the, my problem isn't that people use the tools.

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It's that they don't know what they're getting into when they make the decision.

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And so that's my beef.

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And that's why I'm on the soapbox of look, you're going to go into this thing.

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And if it's like a, for now, this is what you can handle.

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You're a baby business owner, whatever.

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That's fine, but understand what you're giving up and just know,

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like, when you get your glow up or you outgrow this tool, this is what

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you're going to be facing, right?

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And that's the same message that I'm trying to get out to people

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is just know before you go, right?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:17:33

Yeah, and I think active campaign is such a interesting example of that because

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I only, and you'll probably kill me through this, only recently am I looking

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at, can I export all of my campaign metrics and just pop them into our table?

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And I'm like, ConvertKit can't do that.

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Kajabi can't do that.

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Like all, like all of them at a time.

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And I was like, can ActiveCampaign?

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And I was so grateful to see yes, ActiveCampaign can do it.

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Like it is, and it's possible.

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And so that was just even understanding those things.

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And I talked to a friend, I was like, don't use Kajabi because

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the click rate, the click rates don't like do the reporting.

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She's honestly I'm not going to be looking at reporting probably for

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the next six months in my business.

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And I just need to make this decision.

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So this is the path I'm going to go down.

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I was like, okay.

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So it just, it really depends on where people are at.

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Yeah, totally.

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Okay.

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So I've got a hit list of things that I just steer people away from

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as far as closed net networks.

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I put a post on Facebook once and it just.

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So an escape room, but for people trying to leave Dub Sado

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and that thing just blew up.

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So Dub Sado mighty Networks, Kajabi, those are the, Kajabi, I think not

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as bad as some of the others, but definitely don't use it for email.

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So let's talk about the other side of that.

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What are some things that you're like.

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Oh, this is juicy.

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You should definitely use this because we can suck all the data out of it.

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And we can put it into our one source of truth.

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Yes.

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So I will say I like the, like all in one platforms are

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lying to you all of the time.

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There's not, there is not one all in one platform that can do everything.

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And some of those all in one platforms can do one thing really well.

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I will, I personally still use Dubsado only for contracts and

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invoices, absolutely nothing else.

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I'm on Kajabi only for the course platform.

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And so it's really like understanding, I'm not like totally anti these things, but

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it's understanding how can they fit into a fully like optimized scalable tech stack?

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But things that I really like, I mean, I do not know of a better

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checkout platform than Thrivecart.

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The things you can do with that thing, like.

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The automations and just there's so much robust data you can pull out of it.

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You can't pull on a lot of robust data with learn, which is their

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course platform, which that's, they've closed that network.

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Like they're like, we don't want you to automate because we want you

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to thrive part and learn together.

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And that's frustrating to me.

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However, there are workarounds that I think thrive car is thrive.

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Car is huge, obviously air table.

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What else have I been into?

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Vimeo.

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Vimeo is huge because of the ability to like, once you're done with the Zoom

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recording, it can just like automatically go to Vimeo and there can be a zap

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integration that like sends it to a call, like recording database in your air table.

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So that's a really nice loop.

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So that's my favorite, yeah, I only learned about that Zoom to Vimeo thing

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about a year ago and I was big mad.

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I was like, wait, how come nobody told me about this?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:20:22

Yeah, and it's great because you can set Zoom cracked down on the recording limits.

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I don't know if y'all back in the day, it's you've used 4000 percent of your

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Zoom recording limits, but we don't care.

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And then they finally were like, we really do care, actually.

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You can now set it up.

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So like they go straight to Vimeo and you can auto delete them from your

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like cloud storage in in, in zoom.

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And so that was like a really great workaround.

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I don't have to think about it.

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Like it can, I can keep my low storage limit and zoom it's

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in Vimeo and it's all chill.

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Yeah.

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I would say that definitely all of those that you named and I know

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you have a whole podcast episode, so we have to give a shout out to

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your new podcast, Systems Famous.

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Which I listened to every episode

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and you recently were on there with Damaju talking about Thrivecart.

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Definitely go check out Systems Famous podcast and that episode in

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:21:11

particular one of my, you talked about learn not being so friendly.

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One of my learning management tools that I'm ride or die for is Member Vault.

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And.

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Member Vault is very friendly when it comes to, connecting really deeply with

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your email platform so that you can know Oh, somebody finished this course and you

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:21:29

can, or this module or this lesson and you can do cool gamification things and you

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:21:34

can unlock surprises for people based on their engagement and all that good stuff.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:21:38

So that's definitely one of my, one of my go tos.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:21:42

And I want to make a plug too For if not active campaign, some kind of CRM

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because, in my world where we're really focused on building the marketing

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:21:51

system and being able to do automation that reacts to what the subscribers

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:21:55

are actually doing, like the behaviors and the actions that they're taking,

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:21:59

it's really important that all CRM.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:22:05

The progress that people have inside your course or them visiting your sales

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page a bunch of times, but not buying or, things like that, those are the

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things that we want to be able to either capture or monitor so that we can set

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up automations that can be like really a little digital salesperson for you.

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So I'm going to give a plug for active campaign for that.

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Any others?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:22:30

What else am I into?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:22:31

I'm trying to keep my tech stack pretty lean.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:22:33

I really like softer softer.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:22:35

I've been a huge fan of just for how easy it is to integrate with Airtable.

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So we have a community platform.

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So We don't use circle.

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We don't use mighty networks.

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We have like support ticketing database inside of my group program.

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And we just have these different things features in the program that

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:22:51

are powered by air table and software basically lets us build like a custom

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:22:55

membership platform for our own Programs.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:22:58

So we have a custom app for our students.

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We also have a custom app for our one on one clients.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:23:04

So on the back end of air table, we have our clients and their projects,

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and we also have all their recordings.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:23:09

We just we just.

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The uploads are automatically added to the back end of Airtable and

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:23:13

the front end of Softer has this beautifully branded portal for them.

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So that's been really fun to play with.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:23:19

And another amazing form builder I've been using is called Fillout.

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Fillout is the best form builder.

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Get out of here type form.

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Get out of here.

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Anything else.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:23:29

And one of the reasons I love it so much is that you actually you create

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:23:33

the fields inside of your air table first and it automatically integrates

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:23:38

inside outside of inside of fill out.

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So you aren't creating the form and then auto mapping like manually

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mapping them into air table.

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You're actually starting with air table first.

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Forms for the Airtable fields first.

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And so it's just a really like seamless loop that you can do multi pages.

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You can there's just so much you can do.

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So if Airtable forms have ever been limiting to you or if Typeform has

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been too cumbersome, fill out is like a really great alternative.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:24:04

I'm so glad you said that because I did notice, I went to one of your pages and

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:24:07

I was like, what is this fill out thing?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:24:09

dived into it, but I definitely need to.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:24:13

I'll have to go check out like what other integrations.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:24:16

So I want to do a little show and tell before we wrap it up, because just to

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bring home the idea of closed system, open system and the limitations, so let

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:24:24

me see if I can share my screen, here we go, present, and we're going to go here.

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And so I actually went to Zapier and I looked at.

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All of the integrations and like triggers.

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I know.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:24:44

Aren't you proud?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:24:47

So I was like, I want to know what the triggers and the actions

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are for, like mighty networks.

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I was looking at mighty networks and circle and member vault.

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And not just the number, so you can see like mighty networks

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has the least number of triggers and the least number of actions.

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And this is.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:03

Member vault.

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This is the zaps in this third column versus the native actions of

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:08

connecting with your email platform.

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So not only can you see the number, but then it's like, what

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is it that you can actually do?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:14

So those are connected to, if I say I want to see, oh, it's Matt.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:19

Okay.

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So I want to see mighty networks triggers.

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And so now this list will go down and see what the trigger actually is, right?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:28

So not only have a number small, but then the actual things that you can

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:31

do are just not that useful, right?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:34

And then this one over here is connected.

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So you could say, okay, we'll show me circle and show me zap triggers.

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And now you can have a direct comparison so that you can make an informed

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decision about, am I willing to limit myself to just these things over here?

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Or am I like, is my imagination suddenly going wild with.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:53

All the things that you could do with this other, this is so cool.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:25:59

Yeah.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:00

So I'm working on some long form content around this because I just,

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:03

I don't want clients showing up.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:05

I hate having that conversation where they're all excited about their

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:11

thing and you have to tell them like.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:13

This isn't the thing that's going to take you where you want to go.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:16

So this is my attempt, creating more content around this.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:20

So that you can, so like people can be educated more like as they're coming in

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:24

to know okay, I know these are the things that I call it tech sadville, right?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:28

These are the things that are going to take me to tech sadville.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:30

These are the things that are probably going to, take me to my million dollar

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:33

business or wherever you want to go.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:34

I hope this has been informative for y'all.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:37

I always have so much fun just I do miss the group program and the calls

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:41

and just being able to like nerd out every week and do show and tell.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:45

So I need to get back into the community.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:47

But two things.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:48

One, let me pop your website up here.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:50

So if you are if you are wanting to know more about Airtable, if

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:55

you're a group program founder or you have a course and you want to

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:26:58

get your systems life together.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:00

And I don't think you understand Ashley, like how often I say your name to people.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:04

Do you, because this is going to become the industry standard y'all.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:08

Okay.

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Like I can tell when I go into a program, if they've worked with

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:13

Ashley or they haven't, and that's going to become like, it's true.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:19

And that's going to become more apparent.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:20

So if you want to get on the train now and get your stuff together.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:25

Head on over to systems over stress and check out her offers.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:27

And you're revamping the group program, right?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:30

So maybe you want to, put your VA or your OVM through systems over stress and

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:35

have them create your systems, right?

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:36

That's a fine way to go.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:38

And then if you are feeling like, Oh, okay, now I understand that I

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:43

need to get my tech stack together.

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Or I'm not sure, how to do that.

Ashley Pendergraft: 00:27:50

I have a power hour.

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I'm going to put this up.

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And this is just something like I I've had it on the sly.

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I haven't really publicized it, but I'm starting to realize people

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actually really need this, just someone who has the expertise to come

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in and look at what you are doing and say, okay, this part is good.

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Like these things are going to play together.

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This one, not such a great team member.

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Let's replace that and really help you design.

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And so if you book a power hour.

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Then you get an hour with me and we go through and we look at

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everything that you're doing and all the processes in your business.

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And we really designed that integrated tech stock.

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And the nice thing is, you'll get an air table with all of my suggestions,

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including referrals for, if you need web developers, if you need like.

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Other kind of other professional folks.

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And I have those people in my network, then you'll get that list.

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And then, you have it in your pocket.

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Maybe it's not something that you implement on, right away, but at

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least, and you no longer have to go into Facebook groups and say,

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Oh, what's a good CRM, right?

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Because you're like, you're not going to get great advice from doing

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that because those people don't know the specifics of your business.

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They don't know the tech expertise on your team.

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Like it's just a, it's just a bad thing to do.

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I have had so many people come to me in my career, especially as a web developer,

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having wasted easily 25 K or more, hiring the wrong web developer or the

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wrong designer, getting a website that actually wasn't going to work for them.

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So a little bit of investment up front can save you from all of that.

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And Chris actually told us a story this week that he saved a company 8, 000 a

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month, just from getting them on the right plan for a piece of software.

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So it's really important.

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Something I love about, I'm so happy you're doing this and operating

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this is you talk a lot about considering your tech as team members.

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So imagine having a VA that like.

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Is fine.

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And then you like four months in realize, Oh no.

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Like the thing that they just built, I have to tear up and start over again.

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That's what you're doing when you pick some of this software

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that isn't the most scalable.

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And like Karanda said, it.

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It's a waste of time to go into a Facebook group and ask what's

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the best email marketing platform because there is so much context.

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And how do, how does that play with the other things that you have?

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So I have had friends in my box being so overwhelmed with the tech

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decisions that like, they don't launch their course because they don't know

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which course platform to go with.

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And like that can, if you're really stuck in that place, just get the power hour.

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Make the decisions and then you can trust that you are building your home

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on a really like strong foundation.

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Yeah.

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And one of the things I'm most proud of just in my career in general is like

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when I go back to clients that I've had a year ago, two years ago, six, seven

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years ago, they're still using the things that we put them on and they've been able

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to change and grow with their business.

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So I'm going to ask you and I'm going to recommend things like for right

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now, and I'm going to recommend things that, we'll take you into the future.

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Ashley, thank you so much for taking the time.

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I'm I'm always so excited to hang out together.

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Thank you for all the folks who are watching live and all the folks

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who are hitting up the replay.

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Be sure to put your questions in your comments.

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Tell us what tech you're using and tell us what tech you're going

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to leave now that you saw this.

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And definitely go check out Systems Over Stress, definitely go book

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the Power Hour if you need that.

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And we will see you on the internet.

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