A successful podcast can still reach a point where its creator is ready to move on. Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch discuss Pat Flynn’s sale of Smart Passive Income, the audience relationship involved in a host handover, and what the reporting on Crime Junkie and Audiochuck brings up about growth, workload, and building a business around one person.

The Apple conversation covers hardware costs, AirPods recording, and the balance between useful listening tools and privacy for the people nearby. Elsie and Rob also discuss iOS 27 podcast search and CarPlay changes, plus Apple Podcasts’ video embed player and why website plays don’t appear in Apple Podcasts Connect Analytics.

Audacity 4 brings a new editing experience and a reminder from Rob to check MP3 export settings after installing. Audio Hijack 4.6 updates transcription and macOS support. The Flattering Ram remembers Todd Cochrane, followed by news of Audacy Creator Lab’s closure, TWiT’s move to Captivate for ad management, Elsie’s immigration story on Heidi de la Cruz’s podcast, and upcoming Captivate community events.

Interesting things from this episode

People & Shows

• Pat Flynn and Smart Passive Income, sale announcement
• Liz Wilcox, incoming Smart Passive Income owner, announcement conversation
• Lex Roman and Revenue Rule Breakers, analysis of the SPI sale
• Todd Cochrane, remembered by Rob Greenlee
• Rob Greenlee and New Media Show, remembrance of Todd Cochrane
• Podcast Movement New York City

Apps & Technology

• Apple Podcasts embed player
• Apple Marketing Tools
• Audacity 4
• Audacity 4 download on MuseHub
• Audio Hijack
• iPhone Duo, pricing report
• iPhone 18 Pro, feature overview
• AirPods 5, feature overview
• Apple Watch Audio Intelligence

Articles & Episodes

• Apple Doesn’t Want You to Worry About the New Apple Watch’s Listening Features
• iPhones Are Getting More Expensive, but AirPods Are Cheaper Than Ever
• Apple Podcasts Takes Video Beyond Its App With Upgraded Web Player
• Apple Audio Intelligence Privacy Overview
• Ashley Flowers’ ‘Crime Junkie’ Podcast Empire, Audiochuck, Faces Reckoning
• The biggest news in Smart Passive Income’s History! I Sold SPI
• Audacity 4 has arrived: Easier editing, better effects & more
• Audio Hijack 4.6 Is Now Available
• Remembering Todd Cochrane, One Year Later
• Mike Dell’s remembrance of Todd Cochrane
• TWiT.tv Partners with DAX United States for 2027
• The American Dream in the Eyes of Immigrants, episode 162 with Elsie Escobar
• Captivate Growth Labs events calendar
• Captivate Office Hours: October
• From Audience to Community: A New Revenue Model for Podcasters, September Growth Lab

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