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This is Hip Hop Movie Club, the show for serious hip hop fans who want to deepen their

cultural knowledge.

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We are longtime hip hop fans who've watched over 75 hip hop themed films.

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And in this episode, we will dive into the popular new Netflix documentary, Sean Combs: The Reckoning, produced by Curtis “50 Cent” Jackson.

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We'll ask, is hip hop ready to hold its legends to the same standards as the world around

it?

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I'm Dyno Wright, filmmaker.

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designer and I'm passing the mic to JB.

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I'm JB, eighties and nineties, and once again, that is the incredible Boogie.

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And I'm Boogie, a DJ, a long time hip hop fan, and once again, we are the Hip Hop Movie

Club.

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Right.

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lot to unpack with this documentary.

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Sean Combs: The Reckoning and from the lens of 50 Cent.

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It is a damning portrait of the man we know as Sean “Puffy”, “P-Diddy” Combs.

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Wow.

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jaw dropping allegations.

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He obtained a lot of the footage from the days leading up to his trial.

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in the fall of 2024 and really exposed him as a monster in so many words.

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Yeah, my mouth a little agape watching some of the people that were talking throughout

this documentary.

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People that were once close friends and confidants and colleagues and business

collaborators and collaborators with them.

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Just giving a little bit of a lot of behind the scenes.

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stuff.

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There's been rumors floating around for decades but nothing has been really put out there and able to stick until fairly recently and I feel like the floodgates have been opened

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and I think that even after this documentary I think there's much more to come.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's a treasure trove of sorts.

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When you really dive in, I thought that Kirk Burrowes was a star in this documentary, the

co-founder of Bad Boy Records, because they were business partners.

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They grew this franchise to enormous heights, probably in hundreds of millions enterprise.

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And he really exposed Diddy as a fraud and someone that exploited everybody on his way up.

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And was ugly.

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I think even like how the documentary, like how it even opens up with him talking

to his attorney, like, six days before his arrest and, the pressure that he's

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trying to put attorney, Mark Agnifilo, um to kind of make it go away and for lack of

better words.

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He's like, you you guys, you're the experts, you guys do what you do and make this go

away.

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Basically, it's like, bro, we can't make things go away.

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Like people are, everyone's seeing the video of, Cassie getting, chased down the hallway

and dragged and beat in the hallway.

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Like that's out there.

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You can't make that go away.

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some of these allegations that are, with very specific details now in

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in cases that are being filed and now you have this major federal set of charges that have

been brought against him based off evidence that was presented to them.

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You can't make that go away.

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Now the feds aren't going to come after you unless they think they have something that

they can make stick.

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Whether they do it or not, whether the sticks are not, yeah, we don't know.

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But they won't come after you unless they feel like they have a case.

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In other words, they're not going to bother you if they don't have a case.

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there's no making that go away.

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You got to ride that one out.

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You got to go to court for that one.

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Yeah, but the problem is domestic violence wasn't part of the federal case.

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That's all part of the civil cases.

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so the frustration that everyone has is that he's in jail.

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But the trial that he had went through for racketeering and Mann Act violations and that

stuff.

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he basically got off except for the transportation for prostitution.

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And so he gets his 50 months time served too.

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I think that the real thing in this documentary is that it's all out there for everyone to

see.

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Like now it's on Netflix.

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His beating of Cassie's on Netflix.

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Yeah.

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And that you can’t come back from. I mean, there’s no way out!

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Yeah, I got it.

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I got it.

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Yeah.

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It takes us back like, I was talking to my family, my

children, why do people do such terrible things?

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And it's tough to explain why, right?

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You can psychoanalyze people.

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And in this case, it seemed that, it takes us back to his upbringing, right?

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His father died at a young age.

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He was murdered.

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It was part of a drug deal or something like that, right?

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His mother was very hard on him.

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made sure that he was tough and always fought back.

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And it seemed that he kind of had a chip on his shoulder, he dropped out of Howard

University at age 19.

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You can't doubt that he worked very hard.

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broke his way through the internship at Uptown Records, made sure he met Andre Harrell.

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kept harassing, you know, Heavy D introduced me to Andre Harrell.

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And then,

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and then I'm.

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He kind of watched some of those.

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Blacksploitation films, the Mack it's all that type of stuff.

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So he kind of sees his mother would throw these big parties and there was a stage inside

his living room.

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So he saw a little bit of that flashiness.

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it seems to be that once he got power and then money, it's like the song, more money, more

problems, but it was like more money, more mo ego, more power, more problems and like.

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Erick Sermon from EPMD said he thought he was like Scarface.

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You could see as his

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He was definitely a Tony Montana kind of figure.

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As his influence grew, his ego grew and he seemingly didn't care who he stepped

on.

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Like he's climbing the ladder, he's just stepping on people's heads to just advance.

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In fact, he had the habit of just stealing people's girls.

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stole Kim Porter right from Al B Sure

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Misa Hylton was Erick Sermon's girl, actually.

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That was his first love interest.

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And it was almost like a challenge to him and just kind of like evil genius, so to speak.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it was crazy.

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was like, know, bro, like it was funny that kind of we first talking about, Kim

Porter, they said, and I remember she was she was absolutely stunning.

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And like she's the first face you see when you get off the elevator, Uptown Records.

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And he's like, she's dating Al B Sure, who's been touring the world and women are chasing him down hallways and everything.

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And like, yeah, I could take his girl.

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Yeah.

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alright, man, what you got to offer.

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You know, that's

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Al B Sure, you are you.

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Like, and then they said, one thing about it was like, when he says he wants something,

he's going to get it.

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It might not be right away, but he's going to chip away and make it happen.

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And he did.

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same with Misa, Erick Sermon was like, he was like, yeah, I need you to get on my album.

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And, know, I really, EPMD is my favorite rap group, Erick Sermon said, you know, I'm

making a friend in the industry.

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No, bro, he's trying to get your ex.

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Like, it's crazy.

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It's crazy work, man.

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Even with Cassie, Cassie was with Ryan Leslie.

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Ryan Leslie at the time was a producer and an artist.

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I remember, his first album is phenomenal.

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I had that album and I played it so much.

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Ryan Leslie's album was amazing and Cassie's singing on it.

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And,

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He's like, yeah, I want to bring her into the studio and work with her.

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then little by little, he's kind of pushing Ryan Leslie out of the picture.

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Like, hey, we need to work on this a little bit more.

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I want to have some more, some of the songs and I want to tweak the production a little

bit.

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Let's get her some voice sessions.

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those little, couple of hour sessions started going to 10 hours and Ryan Leslie is trying

to do his own thing.

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So he's not in the studio.

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So it's like, dude, just...

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Yeah, he's just of pushed him out of the picture and you're showing her the lifestyle that

she's never seen before.

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I mean, yeah, Ryan Leslie is an artist and is a producer, but he didn't have Diddy money.

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At the time, Bad Boy had already exploded.

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Sean John had already exploded.

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Ciroc had already started to explode and he's got money everywhere.

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So he's going get her that way.

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Even if they started off as just friends, which was probably what happened.

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He groomed her like, typical and gain the trust and then slowly chip

away.

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Crazy.

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It's like methodical.

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But, Diddy's legal trouble started really early on too, because it recounted that 1991

celebrity basketball game that he promoted where it was, there's some rappers and some

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other celebrities and at City College of New York and was not planned well because it was overrun maximum capacity and people were literally nine people died, from either getting

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trampled or

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suffocation just because there was just way too many people and there was

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Not a good plan for that.

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And he had face up to that.

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But I think in the documentary, they said that like he got his way.

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he got through that.

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And then he was like, oh, wow, like that actually was oddly a launching pad to success.

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His name was out there.

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Further escape accountability.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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Started early.

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Yeah.

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Like this young guy.

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a good talk.

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And one thing that they mentioned too, that was kind wow, I didn't realize.

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Cause I remember that whole incident.

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I wasn't aware of Puffy, Puff Daddy at that time, but I do remember that incident, with

the, with the basketball game, Kirk Burrowes was saying that when

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they decided to form Bad Boy, they gave his Puff's mother 75% and gave him 25% to keep it out of his name.

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So that when the families.

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to go after the money they couldn't because it wasn't in his name.

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I was like, wow.

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And he's like, that's when he started looking at him differently.

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he's not the same, he's not the same Sean that he grew up with or that he knew from back

in the day.

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He started to see how he's he's calculating how, to get out of situations to keep money.

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It's like, wow, that's where.

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He's not dumb.

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He's manipulative.

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He's not dumb.

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Not at all.

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Yeah, not in the least bit.

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With Misa, he had a child with her.

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There was

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allegations that he had beat her.

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And then early on, one of the bigger allegations was that Joi Dickerson-Neal who starred

in an early music video that Diddy produced, and she claimed to have been drugged and

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sexually assaulted and videotaped against her will.

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And that was eye-opening.

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Yeah, that it's like so many instances in this documentary just kind of hit home because when they showed the I have that actual album the single for Straight from the Soul upstairs

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right now like so when it came on I'm like and I remember the video I'm like, my god,

that was her.

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I didn't even realize that was him in the video, but I recognize the girl right away my

god.

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Yeah, this she goes right there.

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my god.

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He was the one I was driving the car.

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my god.

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It's like

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Volkswagen Rabbit.

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Yeah, it's like even like they were showing the old clips, you know, with Stacy Lattisaw,

the Fine Young Cannibals and he's dancing in the background.

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I'm like, my God, all these times I watch these videos and he's in the videos.

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Yeah.

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like one of these mysteries movies that they play it back and they flashback.

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Oh, he was in the background of all these things.

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Dancing.

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Yes.

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It's like, wow.

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It's like the first time I think I remember hearing about him was with, was like Mary.

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It was Mary J.

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Blige.

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Mary J.

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Blige and Jodeci.

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I think were the first time I remember hearing his name mentioned.

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And then, of course, when, Big hit the scene, it was just like, all right, cool.

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This guy's he's a good producer, but then I realized later he wasn't even a producer.

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man.

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was cracking about Mark Curry.

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When they were talking about Diddy's musical talents, he's like, sucks, man, he sucks.

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This brings me back to, it's like 2008, maybe 2010, but Maronzio Vance, the comedian, had

this great YouTube video.

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I've shared this with you guys, Puffy is Poison.

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I've watched it maybe a hundred times since then.

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It's so true.

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Every act he signed to Bad Boy just crashed and burned.

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They crashed and burned or they left.

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They left.

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Yeah.

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Like worse off, they weren't any better for having been with Puffy.

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Nah, the LOX were good but the LOX didn’t really blow up, the LOX didn’t

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really blow up per se until they left and became D-Block.

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Their first album

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and they were in shiny suits and stuff

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And Mase finds religion after being with him.

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Like all these people like, wow, I can't deal with this lifestyle.

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And he unfound it.

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But it was wild.

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it's a shame because the clips with Craig Mack, the late Craig Mack’s, his widow saying how

he was exploited.

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Like he had the number one song and he's like asking to borrow a hundred dollars.

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It was sad.

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Making Moves with Puff is one my favorite songs.

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And of course, here he is dancing in the background of the video.

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Yep and getting paid to dance in the videos

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Yeah, and yeah, so like, self-dealing.

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Man, it was so conniving.

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He's always one comes first.

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oh, let me put that.

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I'm in the video.

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Pay for my appearance there.

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My cameos.

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Yeah.

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you're going to pay me for using the studio.

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you're going to pay me for being in the video.

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My cameo, you're paying for my cameo.

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If I talk on your song in the beginning, you got to pay me for that.

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It's like, oh my God, man, really?

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It's like it was never about the music.

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It was about him acquiring power and influence and money through the music.

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And he was so corny and performative sometimes.

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Come on, Really?

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It's like it makes me so mad that I bought that New Way Out album.

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It's like why did I buy that?

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That first Craig Mack record is really great though, I mean.

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I knew why I bought Craig Mack.

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I knew why I bought Biggie.

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I knew why I bought Total, Mary J, and Jodeci.

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I knew why I bought those.

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Why did I buy that No Way Out album?

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It’s like

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All About the Benjamins was alright.

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It was pretty good.

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But other than that, like, after that, if you don't have Craig Mack or Biggie, I'm not

interested.

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And the craziest thing about it is that All About the Benjamins, that song wasn't even

them.

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I it wasn't even a Diddy song.

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It was a Lox song.

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I remember when it first came out on a DJ Clue mixtape.

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There was no, we played that song over and over and over that DJ Clue mixtape.

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And then it ended up on his album.

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Cause it was already a hit.

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So he said, all right, people are gonna listen to it.

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Still on the album, Boost the Sales.

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Well, I'll be missing you.

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Almost like unironically, like just copies it.

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And it also includes like the creepiness of the original Police song.

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Because that's how Diddy runs himself.

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That's how he operates.

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Total creep show.

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lyrics to the Police, it's like someone's being stalked.

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But I always felt thought it was odd that this is his best friend’s song, paying tribute to him and

mourning him.

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And he's out and he's doing his little diddy bop in the background dancing.

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Why are you dancing in the background?

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Like dancing on his grave almost.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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It's not a praise.

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It definitely wasn't a praise dance.

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it's almost like you see dollar signs like in his eyes, know, like literally the album

Life After Death, and they said that they didn't even have that as the potential working

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title.

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And it's like, life after death.

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And it is released like a couple of weeks right after he died.

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And it's like, cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching.

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I didn't realize this, but

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We all saw that we've all seen the videos of the long funeral procession, the funeral and

Bed Stuy didn't realize it.

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Like Diddy charged Biggie's estate to it?

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It's not like all the money that Diddy has, you know, and he's not putting up a penny.

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It's like, was.

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not how you acquire resources or maintain your resources.

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Kirk Burrowes was like, yeah, he's like, oh, I'm gonna take care of this and I'm gonna take care of that.

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We're gonna do this.

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And then we saw like the price tag.

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He just kind of reneged on it like, I was like, oh man.

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Because the whole time, like you said, we've seen the processions and I'm

thinking that he did take care.

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He took care of that.

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But he didn't.

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That's like, wow.

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Biggie was a means to an end.

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Yep.

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That's how it was.

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On top of the damning of the character literally 50 Cent puts out

there really puts Diddy at the heart of the deaths of both, Tupac and Biggie, right?

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Both really incriminates him.

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Yeah.

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And ultimately he was threatened by Biggie because Biggie had the talent and the charisma.

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yep

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And he was blowing up.

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And he was fearful, he was fearful for his life.

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And they were, they were warned multiple times, don't step foot here on the West coast

after that beef, you know, obvious after Tupac's killed that the beef hit the Source

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Awards and everything.

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It's like, do not go out there, do not go out there, right?

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And he goes there and wait, let's go wake him up in the morning.

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Let's go, let's go out here, let's go out here, let's go out here, here, here,

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here, let me use you as a human shield.

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Go out there and take a few bullets.

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And not even just go out there, but he was supposed to leave to go to Europe and just completely called up Kirk at the last minute.

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It's like, no, you know, cancel all of that.

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We're going to keep him out here to promote a party.

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Like, bro, promote a party.

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Like, are you kidding me?

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Like, it's real out there.

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It's real.

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and it's not that you can't miss him.

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He's not a little guy.

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Like, come on, man.

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I was so frustrated watching all of that play out because all that been avoided.

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I mean, to a certain extent, you know people want you.

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Yeah, they might get you eventually.

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They may not get you, but why go to them?

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Why put yourself out there? Like, right.

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risk literal life and death?

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Exactly.

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yeah, we've seen the footage of, the Quad Studios where Tupac was attacked and the way

that it's framed here is that, Diddy was there.

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He knew, and I think Tupac's quote after he was shot is like, they're calling this a

burglary.

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Like literally you're not taking my what?

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$80,000 watch, right?

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Yeah.

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I was a target here.

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They're showing Diddy jumping up and down a little bit.

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Surprised he wasn’t dancing in the background.

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Animated, yeah.

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the affiliation that, I didn't realize the affiliation Diddy was affiliated with the South

Side Crips and Suge Knight with the Bloods.

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And Diddy had several conversations with Keefe D and the nephew Orlando Anderson, you who

was at the heart of those attacks in Vegas.

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So that was really incriminating.

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Yeah.

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yeah.

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told that one story about that incident in Atlanta, when Suge showed up with the one guy and

somebody just walked up on him and just started, know, stood there and just just pulled

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the trigger, shot him five times.

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I'm like, wow.

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That was Big Jake, right? His friend. Yeah.

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that was the first time I ever heard of that incident.

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It's like, you know, Suge had to grab Puffy.

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to say, hey, listen, if you're gonna get me, you're gonna get him too.

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That whole scene, I couldn't even imagine how wild that must've been.

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It's crazy.

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Yeah.

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they insinuate the big conversations at Greenblatt's deli that Diddy wanted both Pac and

Suge Knight killed.

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Like a one million dollar deal with these guys like Keefe D and maybe Orlando Anderson to

kill both and then didn't even pay up because only one of them was killed.

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And he kind of filtered it through, what was the one guy's name?

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He filtered it through the one guy and didn't even pay them directly, apparently.

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Zip, yep.

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Zip was his boy.

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So even pay Keefe D, Keefe D gets locked up.

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He gets locked up and he doesn’t even get the money.

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Everyone else takes the rap.

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Like Shyne

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yeah.

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Shyne's the sacrificial lamb.

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Mm-hmm.

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And what was really interesting, Kirk Burrowes was intrigued, before the assassination of

Tupac, why did he want all these multiple cars rented and driven across the country?

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Like, got so much money, he can just fly out there, but I that was kind of to cover tracks

because something was going down.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Crazy.

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Yeah, crazy.

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Then there was other incidents along the way.

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Like you can see a whole rap sheet, no pun intended, like the 1990 club, the club shooting

with JLo there.

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And that one poor woman was a victim and we've seen her in the documentaries and

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Got shot in the face.

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Yeah Yep, even like though with the whole incident with the Death Row East with

Suge trying to start Death Row East and was trying to court Craig Mack to Death Row in he

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even feared for his life at one point You know, it's like Wow

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Diddy assaulted Steve Stoute who was actually Nas's former manager over some, I think it

was over video airplay.

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Yeah, that was the Hate Me Now when they had him up on the cross.

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I'm trying to think his name.

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You know, he wanted to remove the footage and he didn't want to take it down.

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And they assaulted him and broke his arm and beat him badly with, aw man.

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And then the reality shows Making the Band.

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didn't realize how how much he exploited women in Danity Kane and then Da Band.

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Yeah.

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Aubrey O'Day.

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Yeah.

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Grooming these people too.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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I remember those shows, there was an exodus from Bad Boy.

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like we mentioned earlier, Faith was gone.

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Total was gone.

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Big had passed away.

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Craig Mack wasn't with the label anymore.

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had a couple people that was coming on here and like, he didn't have one big act.

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he was always like, all well, what's he gonna do about this?

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He's like, I'mma form a band.

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All right, cool.

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Let's see what he does.

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So I was, I was watching those shows and I'm looking like, ain't no way in hell.

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You know, he had these guys like, it's like a minstrel show, you know, it's like, yeah,

you guys walk down to Junior's and get me a cheesecake.

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And I'm like, man, listen.

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to Brooklyn, like, because he could.

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Because he's like that.

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Babs, it's funny because the quote was actually in the documentary.

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She's like, I'm from New York and I've never walked done this walk like what is going on?

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they actually did end up gelling together.

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But he did the same thing when he said he signed them to become famous.

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But that.

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But not rich.

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Yeah, and they put out the one album.

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But that was it.

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And then he was like, all right, we're gonna try it again.

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And then, Danity Kane is like, they actually sounded good together.

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One of my favorite songs is Damage.

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I love that song.

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And I played a lot, but I didn't realize that.

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He was after they had formed that he was he was acting like that towards Aubrey and then

all of a sudden I started hearing like like through the rumor like I said a lot of this

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stuff in the documentary there's been rumors of it.

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So you hear stuff here and there but you're like yeah you don't know if it's sticked or

not if it's just people talking.

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So I knew that she had some problems having problems with her and that's she ended up

leaving the group and then I remember when they formed Dirty Money with Dawn and Kalenna

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And I'm like, that's different.

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Like, okay, what happened to Danity Kane.

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He just snatched Dawn out the group.

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Like, what the heck is going on?

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Come to find out like, right.

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And then come to find out he was, messing around with Dawn and treating her crazy.

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Like, what the heck is going on, bro?

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Like, can you just keep it to just a business?

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Like,

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Yeah, all the loot.

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It’s not about the music.

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Yeah, all the lewdness with Aubrey was, yeah, that was eye opening.

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Yeah, just very.

435

I felt so bad for her when I went like especially when she told us she was contacted by

the lawyer because she was mentioned in somebody's case and then she started reading the

436

The affidavit and the woman was was that was a witness to her.

437

her being assaulted and she walked in on her and I'm like, oh my God.

438

And she's like, I don't even remember that.

439

Like I can't recall it.

440

I don't know.

441

She's like, did it really happen?

442

And I'm like, I felt so bad in that moment for her, she wasn't numb, but she was trying to

process it.

443

sad.

444

poor Babs.

445

was going through custody battle and she was just wanted to like $5,000 or something and

Diddy would not help her out.

446

really nasty, like abusing these folks, exploiting them.

447

Never pay Lil Rod either.

448

I can't pay you bro.

449

Yo, hit me up next week.

450

Lil Rod got put through the wringer, no pun intended.

451

Yeah, Lil Rod got nothing.

452

He still ain't got paid.

453

None of these Bad Boy acts got paid.

454

None of these got paid.

455

He was abused too.

456

He said he was likely drugged multiple times because he doesn't have memory of a lot of

this.

457

And so he's drugging these people, taking advantage of them, not paying them, just getting

their services.

458

they also indicate Puffy was dabbling in a lot of different drugs.

459

They said he may have got hooked on Percocet when he had that issue with his wrist, which

may or may not have been self-inflicted.

460

earlier on when he was younger and then reports of designer cocaine, ecstasy.

461

All kinds of stuff.

462

G in the baby oil, right?

463

What is this?

464

This is crazy.

465

That just really took the whole baby oil imagery to another level.

466

How much was it absurd?

467

Right!

468

It was already absurd but you just put it on a whole other level.

469

You got all these bottles of baby oil but now we're finding out these bottles of baby oil were like...

470

They were laced.

471

They were laced!

472

Ugh.

473

God!

474

there was one guy that ordered male gigolo that, apparently ordered to be with him and

Cassie multiple times.

475

And man, what was really disturbing to me on top of all this stuff was like on the

anniversary of his death, March 9th, like he orders this guy like every year and they

476

celebrate and party.

477

I'm like, this is your friend.

478

Like you're mourning the day of the death.

479

Like that's really off putting.

480

I don’t want to. Yeah.

481

police anyone's grief process, but it certainly looks weird.

482

Bad optics.

483

You know, this is the same thing he did after he died, dancing around with Sting on stage.

484

I don't know.

485

Maybe this is his way, but it's a little off the norm.

486

50 Cent got everybody to kind of spill the beans.

487

Capricorn Clark, was a long time assistant and she had known Suge Knight, prior to meeting

Diddy and that was a big issue for him.

488

So sloppy like you could do background checks like if you're that

worried about it like that's such a miss for him.

489

Really?

490

it's easy to say in hindsight. I don't know my job they did a background check and

I'm like nowhere near that kind of thing.

491

You could have found this out.

492

This didn't have to be surprise.

493

The crazy thing about it is that he probably did find out, knowing how he thinks, he

probably wanted to see what kind of buttons he could push.

494

The whole, riding around all day and he's breaking down her job duties and all of a sudden they end up in a dark Central Park with the bodyguard with him and the

495

bodyguard, him, her and the bodyguard.

496

Like, yeah, I understand, you know, Suge, you know, and if things go left, I might have to

take you out.

497

Like what?

498

On first day!

499

It's so weird!

500

And she's like, you know, I've dealt with all kinds of weirdness.

501

So like it didn't even register with her, she's kind of just like yeah, whatever, anybody else would have ran for the hills Like I don't need this job, I'm sorry

502

Training Day with Denzel Washington, Ethan Hawke, felt like that.

503

Like, this is getting a little too real here.

504

exactly exactly like oh my God

505

The one person I wish I had heard from, and a lot of people were asking this, like,

where's Fonzworth Bentley?

506

I already knew you were going say that.

507

I knew you were going with it.

508

But knowing him, he's probably got a crazy non-disclosure agreement.

509

That's probably, yeah.

510

The dude is smart and probably has a nice big firewall around him.

511

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's got a crazy non-disclosure agreement.

512

Um, that probably, he probably won't be able to talk until like 50 years from now or

something like that.

513

If then.

514

yeah, yeah.

515

But that's the thing, think that's the thing, everybody's like, where's Fonzworth at?

516

He talks.

517

But yeah, we won't hear from him.

518

I doubt it.

519

If he's smart, he's probably recording some kind of documentary right now, like a diary, like, upon my death, play this.

520

You know, if anything mysteriously happens to me, play this tape or something like that,

or open this envelope.

521

If I get stabbed with an umbrella, this is why.

522

This message will self-destruct type thing.

523

But yeah, man, that's is wild.

524

And like, I think that one part that was that was a little disturbing too, with Little Rod

was talking and I felt bad for this guy, man.

525

He's an up and coming producer.

526

He's trying to make a way.

527

He gets, invited to work on his Love album.

528

And Diddy’s just grooming him!

529

Oh yeah, you we're gonna move you down here.

530

We will move you next door.

531

we're gonna have you producing this album.

532

You're gonna be the man.

533

You go down here and round up, round up these women and bring them back.

534

He's doing what he got to do.

535

You know, I get it.

536

But, things started getting kind of weird.

537

He said he went to that, KK was her name.

538

And she kind of down just downplayed it.

539

Like there was nothing.

540

Yeah.

541

It's like, aw man.

542

I, yeah, I can't imagine being in a situation where, cause at that point he was so deep

in, he had put all those hours and hours and hours, and now he's trying to wait on his

543

pay.

544

And.

545

all this weirdness is going on.

546

He’s noticing that he's waking up with no recollection of what happened and he's sore and whatever.

547

It's like, oh my God, yeah.

548

Then in recent years, there was the Kid Cudi incident.

549

Kid Cudi went hiking with Cassie and Diddy finds out, he's enraged and he wants

to kill him.

550

I didn’t hear about that, that’s a new one for me.

551

Yeah, I remember hearing about that because my son's a big Kid Cudi fan.

552

He tried to blow up his car or something or think it's either blow up.

553

He blew up his car, but he wasn't in there.

554

He was in the house with Cassie and luckily nothing happened to them.

555

But that was a wild scene that could have gone

556

terrible way.

557

That was crazy.

558

He blamed Capricorn for that.

559

Like, you knew this and you didn't tell me.

560

And he just picked it up and took her with him.

561

Like, you're coming with me, we're to go kill him.

562

Like, what?

563

And luckily he wasn't home because the dude really just walked him in the house with a gun

in his hand.

564

that could have gone all kinds of left.

565

And then called her up and she was with him.

566

And he's like, you don't get down here.

567

I'm not letting her go to you.

568

come to us or whatever, like what?

569

Yeah, I feel bad and I feel bad for the way things ended for Kim Porter who, passed away

several years ago, right?

570

Because it was the whole thing with, you married him had had, children, the twins and

another child with Diddy and then he's just off with Cassie.

571

It's like the wife, the wifey thing that said, you know, you have the wife and the wifey

and she's like, that's it.

572

I'm not dealing with this anymore.

573

And finally, you know, I eventually filed for divorce and I got to focus on raising the

kids.

574

That was a shame that she had passed.

575

And also really felt bad for Kirk Burrowes because he was like coerced to sell his 25 %

share in Bad Boy.

576

Like literally like threatened like this guy's probably gonna kill me or something like,

and then he tried to get it back.

577

Sued Diddy, but wasn't able to recoup it.

578

And then he was blacklisted for 25 years.

579

And in fact, he said he think he was homeless for a while.

580

Mm-hmm.

581

yeah, I don't even think he sold this only with he sold his portion.

582

I think Diddy just took it He's just like I'm gonna give it back.

583

He's I'm gonna give it back Yeah, he said I'm give it back.

584

I'm gonna give it back I just gotta work out this deal and I'm gonna give it back and he

never gave it back

585

I picture them kind of like Willy Wonka, like fine print, like you get nothing.

586

Black and white, black and white.

587

You lose nothing.

588

like, my God.

589

Yeah.

590

my man, he just like, I mean Diddy just trounced on every anybody and anybody and there

was one part we didn't mention he even took the cover of Rolling Stone magazine from

591

Biggie before his death.

592

Like he was all said it's like no I got this No Way Out coming out, I'm gonna put myself

out there.

593

I mean.

594

yeah, there's all kinds of levels to how screwed up that was.

595

And then to talk about Biggie but Biggie had just renegotiated his contract.

596

And he wants Kirk to like fluff up the middle in favor of bad boy and without telling

anybody because it was already signed.

597

And when Kirk didn't do it.

598

Yeah.

599

And then when Kirk didn't refuse to do it because it was unethical.

600

Let him go.

601

Not only do you take his 25 % of the company, but now he doesn't have a job.

602

And now he can't work in the industry anymore.

603

It's like, that's crazy.

604

It's crazy!

605

Yeah, it's going to be hard for him to overcome like he's got so many more detractors now,

Diddy.

606

Like if, like I said, if you're a Diddy Apologist, you don't have much to stand on after

this.

607

There's just so much.

608

Right.

609

Seventy seven civil suits as the filming was still pending, there was over 100.

610

Yeah.

611

be more common, right?

612

Yeah, yeah, absolute madness.

613

I was just like, wow.

614

In the court of public opinion, Diddy's guilty on like all these charges.

615

And I kept saying like this rumors, there's even like, I don't, they didn't talk about it

in the documentary, but there's even rumors that, you know, surrounding Kim Porter's,

616

passing that are like there’s questions, that he might have had something to do with that.

617

I mean, it's not in the documentary, but I've definitely heard the rumors.

618

So it's like,

619

of pneumonia but I don't know if there was a full autopsy or not.

620

Right, it's all kinds of stuff surrounding it, like questions that aren't answered and

things just looking a little shady or weird and it's like, wow.

621

When you're a young, fairly healthy woman, it's kind of odd, right?

622

She like 47 or something when she passed.

623

wasn't like...

624

She was fairly young, yeah.

625

When you have a lot of financial resources and you have pneumonia, that's something you

should be able to overcome.

626

But again, Diddy's been known to withhold financial resources.

627

Who knows if he's cooking books and she's not receiving the financial resources she needs.

628

Who knows?

629

Or the medical resources.

630

Lie Cheat Steal.

631

Yeah, 50 Cent did him dirty here, but I mean, lot of it's all on his own doing.

632

It's not kind of like, it wasn't hard to.

633

know.

634

Like even how the footage was obtained, you're facing a possible arrest in a case that's

coming up, but you have the audacity to start video taping yourself, have a videographer

635

following you around as you're handling this case the premise that you're going to

probably get off and make money off of this documentary.

636

that's exactly it.

637

Right, and then you get arrested, you get found guilty on a couple of the charges, refused

to pay the videographer.

638

And, well, your problem, because now the videographer can just shop it out.

639

we all know, King Petty, King Petty found a way to get his hands on that footage, because,

you know, that's what he's going to do.

640

It's a hot ticket, Netflix...

641

They got that deal going and here we are.

642

Your own, your greediness is your undoing in this situation because you could have bought

all this footage and it never would have seen the light of day.

643

But because.

644

I'm sure he thought like he was going to get off.

645

He got off, it gets off every time.

646

doesn't suffer any consequences.

647

So his hubris, his ego is, well, I'm going to film me because this is the hero's journey

now.

648

Yeah, exactly.

649

Yep.

650

He's on his odyssey.

651

oh His journey.

652

Yeah, exactly.

653

Yep.

654

Did you see there was a funny social media post that 50 Cent put out saying how Netflix

must be ticked off because they put out Stranger Things season five and it's not nearly as

655

popular as The Reckoning.

656

Right, all that money they put into Stranger Things and this little cheap documentary is

the number one thing.

657

Yeah, and think you said watching Diddy strange doing stranger things or something like

that.

658

yeah, yeah, yeah.

659

Diddy’s the Upside Down.

660

Bad Boy Entertainment is the Upside Down.

661

Oh, man.

662

I do feel sorry for twins the girls Because you obviously as we see from what's going on

in the documentary. Christian and Justin are with him during some of these antics

663

But I do feel bad for the girls the twins

664

because now they got to deal with this the fall out from this whole situation.

665

um I actually know people that know them personally that ironically, a set of twins that I

know hang out with them.

666

So it's like, girls and they're going to have to deal with the harshness of the

world and the repercussions that, their father’s antics.

667

I mean,

668

into this.

669

something that they did wrong and they're going to get teased and bullied, unfortunately.

670

Yeah, yeah.

671

Christian and Justin are firing shots at 50 and 50 firing shots back at them.

672

But the girls they don't have anything to do with anything.

673

Throw that out there real quick.

674

Yeah, shame

675

Yeah.

676

And the victims, the victims it's like you're trying to get over a situation and you got

to keep reliving it because it's playing over and over and over again.

677

I feel bad for them.

678

Yeah, I think they circled back towards the end of the Joi Dickerson-Neal

679

She's like, I thought I was only one.

680

And then over time, like, wow, I see how he treats everybody and everybody's an object to

him.

681

The trauma is worse the second time around.

682

her whole situation was wild, man, how she found out about it.

683

Like people were just contacting like, yo, I saw you on tape.

684

Like I saw you on tape.

685

Like he was playing it at a party.

686

It's like, what?

687

That's some crazy, crazy behavior.

688

messy, messy.

689

And I think at that time he might've been like, 21 when that was going on.

690

Messy, messy, messy.

691

what world is that okay?

692

Like the act itself is bad, big enough to play it.

693

Mm-hmm.

694

In public?

695

Yeah.

696

Yeah.

697

Really is Tony Montana.

698

No regard for consequences or accountability.

699

There was one thing that I was trying to figure out.

700

I don't know if you guys peeped it out, but in the beginning when he was talking to his attorney, what the heck was that medallion around his neck?

701

Yeah, I didn't quite get that.

702

didn't quite...

703

Yeah.

704

Yeah.

705

I didn't quite know what that symbol was.

706

had to go look

707

I was like, what is that all about?

708

that like some kind of a Illuminati or something?

709

don't know.

710

or something with the freak-offs.

711

King of the freak-offs.

712

thing is like they didn't really go into the whole freak-off type thing.

713

They didn't and they just kinda hinted at it.

714

Yeah.

715

my guess is that it was a little too incriminating to just put out there.

716

so, you know, who was at these freak offs.

717

And so, you know, the director, Alex Stapleton, has got like one big fish to fry, right?

718

It's Diddy.

719

Whoever else is at the freak offs will deal with that in part two.

720

Yeah, because I do remember like when he was showing like pictures I do remember I did see

Leonardo DiCaprio was in I seen him on someone one of the pictures oh no he's a few other

721

Yeah, the part five that'll come out after some of these other trials can happen or when

722

If I know 50, that wasn't all the footage that he had.

723

No, I'm sure he's got more.

724

Yeah.

725

you want to kick him a little bit and you methodically kick him again while he's down and

kick him again while he's down And then he'll probably wait until he gets released and

726

he'll probably release another one.

727

Start coming out like Tupac albums.

728

Right, right. More came out after he died.

729

Right. The Reckoning after The Reckoning

730

Yeah.

731

there's so many vectors.

732

can go off on this.

733

Like you could do a whole documentary with just like William LeSane, Tupac's cousin.

734

Like he had a really good content, right?

735

Like you could do a whole different vector there.

736

You could do a whole different, the whole #MeToo movement.

737

You can get separate more interviews with Joi Dickerson-Neal and other women like this

just so much.

738

a whole Pandora's box is now open.

739

And I'm sure that there's other people trying to get ahold of some of these people.

740

Um-hmm.

741

To make content. Because people want, it’s like the National Enquirer, people want to see more and more of this, so...

742

The statement from Fonzworth!

743

Yeah.

744

No shortage of footage coming up.

745

If they get Fonzworth man, the Internet's going to break.

746

The Internet will break.

747

That's the day the internet will break.

748

Everybody get out your parasols.

749

seriously, parasols and bow ties.

750

Yeah.

751

Yeah, no recovery from this one.

752

Yeah.

753

No way out!

754

It really is all about the Benjamins.

755

Thanks for tuning in to the Hip Hop Movie Club Show.

756

I'm Dyno Wright, filmmaker, designer, longtime hip hop fan.

757

I got no info for the DEA.

758

I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long time hip hop fan.

759

And as a big fan of Sting and the Police, I was never happy that Diddy was permitted to

use every breath you take for his Biggie tribute song, I'll Be Missing You.

760

you.

761

Yeah, oddly enough, I was never a fan of that one either.

762

But Sting is getting paid off that song though.

763

That's the good, that's the upside of it.

764

He's getting paid.

765

He's so paid.

766

oh

767

yeah, man, I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan.

768

You

769

yeah, man, I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan.

770

since we mentioned Biggie, I remember when Juicy first dropped and one of my boys and I,

walked up and down the Seaside Heights boardwalk all day playing that song on repeat in

771

the summer of 94.

772

What a time to be alive.

773

Yeah.

774

and remember don't hate debate Debate this documentary man oh

775

There’s no debate on this one. No debate on this one.

776

I was waiting to see if you would say “lubricate”!

777

Oh man

778

Should have. Should have. Baby oil.

779

Baby oil.

780

I'm all for moisturization, but it's a little too much.

781

This is beyond the pale.

782

slippery when wet.