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Ep.21- Soul Retrieval: A Shamanic Process to Healing Trauma
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Have you ever felt incomplete or not the same after a traumatic event? Today I am joined by Christina Lee Pratt and she shares with us her shamanic technique of soul retrieval to help heal traumatic events. When we experience a shocking or overwhelming event our energetic soul will fragment, and we learn to adapt and live without that piece of ourselves. Christina walks us through the acceptance of this process and how to retrieve the pieces of ourselves that we have lost and integrate them back into our soul’s purpose.

 

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Christina Lee Pratt is a healer, author, and teacher of exceptional clarity, humor, and practicality. At Last Mask Center, she is pioneering new shamanic techniques to deal with complex trauma, the healing of our ancestral lines, and the initiation of our young into spiritual adulthood. LMC offers healing sessions, online classes, and in-person retreats.

Christina is the host of the international, podcast Why Shamanism Now and the author of the two-volume set “An Encyclopedia of Shamanism”, and a presenter in Shamanic Summits, including those for Shift Network and Sounds True.

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Anna Maydonova:

I know you, you're afraid to speak up.

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You're scared of what other people think of you. And you

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blame yourself for what happened to you. I know how it feels,

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because I've been there. If you found me, I'm so grateful you

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are here. This podcast will give you hope. And I'm your host in a

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made ANOVA. And I'm going to hold your hand and provide the

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guidance. It's time for you to find your why. And turn your

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experience into your biggest power. This is your time now. So

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lock your door, put your headphones in and enjoy

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Christina Lee pred. Welcome to the world's best Trauma Recovery

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podcast.

Christina Lee pratt:

Thank you, Anna. I'm really happy to be

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here.

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Christina, you are a healer. You are an author

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and a teacher of exceptional clarity, humor and practicality.

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You are doing an amazing job. And when I heard about you that

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for the first time, I really connected with you. And I just

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want to tell my listeners that you also opened the last mosque

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center for shamanic healing in New York in 1990. Where you are

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pioneering new shamanic techniques to deal with complex

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trauma, the healing of our ancestral lines, and the

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initiation of our young, young young Jung In the spiritual

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adulthood. Which is great. And you also wrote a two volume set

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of an insight of the book and Encyclopedia of shamanism. And

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you're also presented at many shamanic summits. Wow, what a

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journey. Christina, how did you get into this? Um, well, I

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don't have a special Oh, I had an

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indigenous grandmother's story or anything like that at all.

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I'm just a typical, very, very typical white, middle class

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American who

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started humble.

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who just started experiencing stress

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related illness very early. And this isn't a story of that

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illness is created this what the illness made me start doing is

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questioning my own culture. There was no reason for me,

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given my privilege, my entitlement, my access to health

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care, my access to good food my whole life. You know, every way

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that I was supported for me to be depressed since I was 12. No

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reason at all for that, but outwardly. And so I started

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really questioning not myself, like what's wrong with me, but

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I, for whatever reason, started questioning my culture. And one

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thing led to another. And I was in a therapy session. And the

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person asked me after I had been ranting for about 30 minutes

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about this incredible brokenhearted situation I was in

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because the man who was literally the man of my dreams,

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man, I felt pretty lucky to have met him. But he was a really

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destructive this is this is a bit dated, right? He was

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freebasing. I realized there people listen to your podcast

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and probably don't even know what that means. But basically

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was a serious cocaine addict. And in a really, pretty

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dangerous way at the time. And not that it's ever not

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dangerous. But anyway, my point is, I was my life was a mess. It

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was a train wreck. And I'm going on and on about my problems. And

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his response to me is Christina, where's your bliss? And I am

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telling you part of me wanted to launch out of my body across the

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room, grab him by the throat and rip it out. Like how dare you

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and I'm like spilling my guts about how painful this all is.

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And you're asking me where my bliss is. There's clearly no

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bliss here was so angry, and whatever happened because of

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course, I didn't launch across the room and grab rip his neck

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out. But what that act was that act was like this arrow that

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went into my heart which I tried to ignore and ignore it ignore

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but man when I woke up in the morning, I asked myself, What

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would you do today? If you knew you were going to die tomorrow?

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And I realized nothing. That was on the plan. Um, for that day,

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or that week or that month, like, there was nothing I was

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doing that I would still be doing if I knew I was gonna die

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the next day. And I thought this is a problem. This is an I was

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20. Right? I'm doing this, you know, 20. And so I started

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looking for my own answers. That's really how I got myself

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into this is I just stopped listening to the noise of my

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culture, trying to tell me who I was, because I ended up sick and

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depressed when I listened to that. And instead, I started

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trying to answer that question, where is my bliss? When do I

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last remember feeling something I would call bliss? What the

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hell is bliss, right. And I realized this is a much overused

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now, Joseph Campbell phrase, but the point is this person and

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bless his heart, this person didn't listen to my drama,

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didn't listen to my trauma didn't listen to anything. He

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just asked the question I needed to be asked at that moment, and

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I was like a dog on a bone man, I could not let go of that when

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I realized I had absolutely no good answer for that, and no

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reason to not have a good answer. Because, you know, I

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lived really a pretty good life up until that realizing, what

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does that really mean and started questioning that. So

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anyway, fast forward, I end up making some really drastic

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decisions. And I'm in Manhattan, later in my 20s. And I've gone

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back to dancing, which is an extremely stupid thing to do in

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your latter 20s, because you're already an old lady for the

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profession in your 20s. And I didn't have an experience of 20

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years of dancing. So this is a really long, making a long story

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even longer than it needs to be. But basically, in the process of

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going back to what was the last place I had experienced bliss.

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I'm going to share this little part of the story I don't

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normally share. Because I think people that have experienced,

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really serious physical and emotional trauma often have peak

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altered state experiences that get pathologized. So there's

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some peak altered state experiences in this story that I

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usually leave out because people pathologize me for them. So I

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just want to acknowledge that problem with what I consider

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contemporary culture is understanding of what's really

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going on for human beings and their lives. So anyway, my point

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is,

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the last place I had felt bliss was as a child dancing. I've had

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dance my whole life in small town. So it's not as fancy as it

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sounds, no, but I danced my whole life I was performing. We

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were performing to Bach, which was incredible music. And it was

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one of the rare moments I was dancing really incredible

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choreography. And the audience was right there for us, the

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lights, the music, the choreography, I was dancing with

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people I danced with my whole life. It was this amazing moment

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and bam, in stage right in the middle of the choreography, I go

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into an altered state, an absolute ecstatic peak ecstatic

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state in the middle of performing on stage, right,

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eight counts later. And I know this because of music. I am

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downstage where I need to be doing the right thing. But I

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have not participated in the process of getting there my

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conscious awareness. I've been in this peak ecstatic altered

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state one with all things. So that was my scale for blips that

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I was looking for later. And this has happened when I was a

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teenager right here I am on my 20s trying to get back to this

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really peak altered state with no education around spirit or

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altered states, right. I didn't realize it was a peak state. It

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was just an experience I had had, I tried to share it with

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people, everybody looked at me like I was crazy. So I shut up

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and ever told me but and that's what I was looking for. So you

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know, I had a pretty high bar that I was reaching for and

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didn't know it. So I had gone back to New York to go back to

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dancing because that was me trying to find my bliss. And it

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was I was poor. I was living below the poverty line. I was

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trying to dance. I'm not that good. Right. And especially at

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that age, I mean, it was really everything was stacked against

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me. And I actually got a job with the one choreographer on

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the planet I wanted to dance with. So I had this peak

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experience of doing this premiere show in New York with

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this choreographer, this amazing company, this incredible piece

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of work. And then bam, it was over and I crashed into that

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depression. Like, just that from that height of everything. I

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ever imagined that was the thing I crashed deep into my very

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familiar depression but deeper than I'd ever been in before.

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And I had this very Darwinistic thought about it because I've

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been researching and studying Taoist practices made me

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frankly, I was in my 20s, frankly, for sex. Honestly, to

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be anyway, so I have these this idea of Taoism in my mind, which

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I didn't really understand very well yet at that time, but it

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made me ask this very paradoxical question, which was,

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I was my depression always felt like being underwater. And, and

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being you know, deeper and deeper and darker and darker, as

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if anybody scuba dives, you know, as you get down deeper,

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pretty quickly, it gets very dark, and then the pressure of

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the water, it's kind of scary. And so I felt myself just going

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down and down and down. And I'd always clawed my way up out of

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the depression, I always felt like, you know, just like, like

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a swimmer, right? You try to go for the air. And I was so

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crushed. And, and this, like, weird little YinYang sign just

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came into my mind. And I just had this thought, what if I went

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down instead of up,

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and made it all the way to the bottom,

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but I didn't, I just broke out of my

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conscious state. And I was in an altered state, and I was in a

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spontaneous experience of being in an altered state for three

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days in Manhattan. So the whole thing is so insane. Anyway, so

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as I came out of that experience, which was, which I

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participated in as a test, not not being not being a religious

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person, and not seeing life through this battle of the good

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and good and evil, I don't see the world that way. I wasn't

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trained to see that. I don't think kids naturally see the

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world that way. And then I didn't get trained to see the

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world that way. So the blessing of that moment was that that

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wasn't how I perceived what was going on. I simply perceived it

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as a test. And a response to this question I had had, which

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is why am I here? And I didn't understand yet that you need to

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qualify your questions and be very specific when you're trying

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to communicate with the big all that is. And so why am I here? I

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meant, why am I here at this audition? Why am I here in New

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York? Like I meant it, like, in the context that I could see

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myself in? Why am I here? I didn't understand. That's not

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how you work with spirit yet, because I've been having

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education. So I just was like, why am I here? Why am I here?

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You know, constantly. So I go into this altered state. I'm in

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it for three days. And I really felt like that whole experience.

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Gave me the answer to that question. Because as I came out

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of that experience, and was like, wow, like, no one to talk

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to about it. No one to put it into context, no way to

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understand what the hell just happened. All I knew it was

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probably the most important thing that would ever happen to

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me in my whole lifetime. And it had changed everything. That's

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all I knew. No one to you know, no elders know anything like,

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and I'm in Manhattan. I mean, the whole thing was really

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crazy. But what came after that in, in a period of time of

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clarity after that, well, periodically clarity and then

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aftershocks, so there'll be clarity and confusion and

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clarity and confusion. But in those moments of clarity. I saw

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the next steps. And for me, the next the most direct next step,

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the clearest answer for why am I here? Was this process called

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Soul Retrieval? What is it? Yeah, it's so it's a really old,

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it's one of the earliest shared ways of healing so many, many

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cultures all over the world do their version of a process

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called Soul Retrieval, which is fundamentally based on the idea

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that when we experience trauma, and they include in that shock,

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like to be shocked or overwhelmed as another kind of

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trauma, I mean, we have a very contemporary contextualized

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version of what trauma means today. But just to be completely

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shocked and overwhelmed and unable to process the moment,

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for accidental reasons, is also considered trauma, that, that

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the person can respond to that by fragmenting and what that

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creates in the person that everyone is responding to who's

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here in real time is a feeling of I've never been the same

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sense. I've never been the same sense that event because we did

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did lose a part of ourselves. So soul retrieval, so loss and soul

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retrieval, which is the, the, it's just accepting the fact

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that at high levels of trauma and abuse, this is what people

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do it and it just accepts that that's what happens. And so

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since it does happen, somebody needs to go find those parts of

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the self and bring it back. And that's a fundamental healing

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process in indigenous cultures. And there are many different

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means by which people do it. But that's what they're doing. And

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so not only did I learn to do that, because it was the

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clearest answer of why are you here.

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But I also researched it around the world, like what are all of

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the just discovering how all of these peoples from all over all

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the landmasses all over the world had ways of doing this?

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And, and practitioners who became skilled at this act of

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discovery, it's like tracking and finding it, the negotiation,

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which is different in different cultural contexts, but there's a

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negotiation that convinces that last self to come back, and then

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the actual act of grasping that self, which obviously has to be

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happening in an altered state, because they're not in the

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physical world anymore. And then bringing them back, and

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restoring them to the person's body where they belong here in

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the physical world. And so these practitioners in these different

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cultures are all practitioners that understand there's a

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relationship between the physical world and the invisible

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world, whatever you want to call that. And that it, they and that

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people can learn to use that relationship in a constructive

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way. I mean, they can also learn to use it in a destructive way.

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But the point was long version of answering your question is,

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this was really the best answer my life gave me as to why I'm

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here. And so I just pursued the steps to learn to do it, without

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really thinking about I felt it was the truth. So I didn't worry

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about where the source of the truth was coming from whether or

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not I liked that truth. Because I didn't mean I liked having an

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answer, but didn't like the answer. And I didn't want to

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think about the ramifications on my life. And that's the

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challenge with the truth is often knowing the truth changes

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everything. So anyway, here we are.

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Thanks so much. That's a beautiful answer.

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Thanks, Christina. I, you know what I believe. Unfortunately,

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or fortunately, but our close relatives, close friends, and

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now our loved ones are the biggest teachers in our life.

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And they given us to, to learn this lesson and to find our

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passion. And it's like your ex boyfriend. Through these

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challenges, through this traumatic experience, you found

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your passion, you found your why it was there, like in the

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universe, or God or any higher power was leading you to this

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point. And I feel the same towards my stepfather. And in

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some sort of capacity, I'm grateful that he, he helped me.

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He created he helped me to create myself who I am right

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now. And I know it's very, very interesting and deep topic. But

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I'm just wondering, how does the soul look loss feels feel? How

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do you know that you lost it? Yeah. Experiencing your trauma

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or abuse?

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Yeah. So So from this perspective? And to

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answer this question in a really juicy way, part of it is

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accepting the idea that we have a physical body. And that

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physical body when it's alive, and has you know, inhabited by a

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soul creates also an energy body. And so, so while we may

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not notice the loss, physically, because the person is still

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here, there's no bruise, there's no cut, you know, there's no

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physical trauma to validate the experience, let's say, but in

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the energy body, it blows a hole out of the energy body when the

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soul leaves because in this idea of the energy body, let's just

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visualize the soul as being this luminous energy that that

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radiates who we are from the inside out, you know? It's not

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our core, our soul is here it is our light, it is our resonance,

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it is who we are. And so when a piece of that energy splits off,

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which is a survival tactic, our light is dimmed. On one hand,

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people will may notice a difference in US in, in, in the,

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in the old days, in the ancient times when cultures themselves

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were more coherent, they had very strict cultural parameters

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about how those relations you were talking about that help us

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to learn how we are to treat each other. Zero tolerance for

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certain things that are systemized today like incest,

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right mean zero tolerance for things like that. So people are

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in a different culture, a different quality of culture,

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let's say. And so where was I going with that. So when they

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lost a part of themselves, people noticed was my point in

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that because they could see the diminishment of that bright soul

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that they were already paying attention to and in relationship

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with, they would see that diminishment and notice, and so

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the culture would say, you need to be restored. Let's Let's

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mobilize around making that happen for you. Whereas for us,

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in our contemporary time, we let most of us lack a healthy

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culture around us and a healthy family system, it's usually at

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least dysfunctional, if not abusive. And so consequently,

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we're an individual struggling in that. And so we may lose

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smaller parts of ourselves to cope with different situations,

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which gives us time to adapt. Sorry, this little bit of a long

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version of this answer. But this is important to understand,

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because then collectively, over time, we can have a huge amount

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of soul loss that in the past would have actually caused us to

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waste away. But because we had time to adapt to the smaller

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parts leaving over time, we normalize living in a state of

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soul loss. And so this is really where I see your question coming

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in is, is what does it feel like to live in a state of soul loss

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feels like it yeah, it's completely normalized. It's

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like, oh, remember, we moved, and you started failing in

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school, ha, ha, ha, like I like all of the soul loss becomes

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these family jokes about when different members of the family

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started failing around something they used to be good at, or they

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suddenly dropped this thing they loved, you know, so that so

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there's these stories from our childhood, but in present time,

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what it feels like, for many people, you may not feel it,

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some people feel it, people have different sensibilities and

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sensations, right. So basically, what soulless creates is a leaky

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bucket, you're just a leaky bucket. So some people feel this

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constant drain of energy.

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And they named it different ways, like, Oh, I'm just too

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empathic, I'm too sensitive on to this. But really, it's you

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just got too many holes are really porous, and thus not able

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to really maintain the quality of boundaries that we would

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consider healthy boundaries. And so there's so for some people

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that can result in chronic chronic illnesses, because

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there's a chronic energy drain for other people. They have a

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vitality that compensates for that, but they experience it

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more in their mental wellness, or their emotional wellness. And

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so the whole can create a loss of energy. But most of us are

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intuitively smart enough to try to fill that hole and protect

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that hole. So protecting that hole can be issues in

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relationship about really allowing intimacy, or really

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being willing to commit to those people that are intimate. So it

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can be relationship struggles, that keep repeating themselves

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in different relationships. So different people, a lot of work

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with your therapist, same pattern gets reestablished

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because it's, it's, it's not coming out of your psychology,

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it's coming out of your intuitive need to protect this

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hole in your core, then the harder thing I think for us to

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realize is a lot of our addictive behavior comes out of

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our endeavor to try to replace the energy that we're losing, to

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try to get that to try to either numb out from the experience of

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being so vulnerable, because these holes make us feel

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vulnerable. So we have anxiety and then we're depressed, like

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all so much of what is normalized as just contemporary

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life experience can be explained by realizing you're living in a

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state of soul loss. I mean, if four out of five women have been

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abused, that means probably four out of five women are living in

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the state of soul loss. I mean, it's just, it's it's everywhere,

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and then unacknowledged. Right? So then there's that piece too,

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which is this idea that somehow you should be able to do better

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when you're hemorrhaging energy. What's your problem? What's

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wrong with you? It's like well, I've never been the same since

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this happened like that feeling of it's never been the same. And

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the thing that happened, doesn't seem like it wouldn't

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necessarily be labeled trauma or abuse potentially. So let's say

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my soul's purpose requires music. And I am in a school

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system, or somewhere or community or something. But

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there's lots of music, people are singing, I'm really engaged.

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I'm loving this, I feel I'm a kid. And it's like, Oh, my God,

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everyone's speaking my language, dad gets a new job, mom gets a

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new job, maybe parents get divorced. And suddenly I get

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moved to another country, another state another something,

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they don't have music. Or, or maybe in the new situation, we

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don't have the money to afford it anymore. But all of a sudden,

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I'm stripped of that ability to make music and that support of

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people around me to make music. That kid is that part that needs

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music is most likely going to stay back at the old place with

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making music. And now this kid, the one who's actually in real

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time, is suffering, is depressed is hemorrhaging energy. And all

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they did was move. So nobody knows what their problem is.

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Right? So the range of why we can experience but basically,

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any, any way that you feel, I know from my work on myself that

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I have more to give, and I keep sort of falling in the same hole

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in my efforts to try to give it like no matter what I do, I keep

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doing this pattern of that pattern. No matter how much time

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I spend in therapy, no matter how much trauma recover, I do I

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keep the same thing I just there's, there's just something

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missing. That's, that's also the key, there's just something

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missing. Because when we do get into our work, and we do do self

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reflection, we do start to tune in intuitively, we know

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something is missing. And then that gets pathologized. It's

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just such a mess. Yeah,

Anna Maydonova:

I've been feeling this feeling that

Anna Maydonova:

something is missing. There is something even though I look

Anna Maydonova:

like I have it all together, was always feeling those needs those

Anna Maydonova:

desire for something more, something bigger. I'm not

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talking about materialistic things. It's so amazing. And I

Anna Maydonova:

found psyche specialist. I remember because I was so I was

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so exhausted, I was so energy low. And in the first healing

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session, she actually told me that inner eye can feel that

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your soul has left your body. It just, it's just somewhere around

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but it doesn't go into the body. And also fascinated, I said, why

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she didn't know my story at those time. She said, something

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happened to you when you were young. And just your soul felt

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it's not safe to be in your body anymore. Which was for me, it

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was mind blowing, honestly. And I had another experience with

Anna Maydonova:

Charmin where he was able to see what was happening with my

Anna Maydonova:

energy flow. And Christina, um, so like, I'm so wondering, I

Anna Maydonova:

want to ask you this question. I'm not sure if you're gonna

Anna Maydonova:

have an answer for this. But can you see over the zoom camera, if

Anna Maydonova:

there is any attachment of my perpetrator, my childhood sexual

Anna Maydonova:

abuser to me, and if there is something I need to heal, still?

Christina Lee pratt:

Oh, let me just do another thing first, and

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then we'll come back to that, which is for people that would

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ask this question, right, because a lot of people really

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hesitate to ask this question, but it is not an uncommon thing.

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If we think about us as energy bodies, right? And we think

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about it when we lose a part of ourself, it creates a hole, any

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hole in aluminous brilliant person such as yourself, is it's

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an opportunity for an energy that shouldn't invit be able to

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invade you to invade. And that's the other problem with soul loss

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is it creates a weakness in our energy that almost advertises

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like every hole is an opportunity for invasive

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energies to come in, whether it's a perpetrator or just some

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other invasive energy and this can this We can get into a

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really Hollywood version sensationalized idea of this.

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Which is unfortunate, because many of us because we're in a

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state of soul loss, do become prey to other energies, whether

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it's our perpetrator or not. And then another piece of this story

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is that one has to ask, why would a human being do this to a

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child, one has to ask that. And, unfortunately, there is often an

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invasive energy going on there that that a person is being

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driven to their worst self. Now they could choose not to do it.

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So I'm not, I'm not absolving people of the fact that we all

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need to make choices with our own energy. And often, you, as

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someone who's experienced abuse would be asking this question,

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not just because of the perpetrator as the person, but

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because somewhere intuitively you knew they were being written

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by an energy. And so it's complex, right? And that all of

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this, what for most of us feels pretty weird. It's not what most

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of us talk about. But anyway, so the question, because I don't I

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I, I work in an altered state with helping spirits that are

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confirming what I'm seeing, or feeling or sensing. And I'm not

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a clairvoyant, I got trained by a clairvoyant who was really

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amazing. But I'm not a clairvoyant, so I don't see all

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that well. And so I would want to back up anything that I said,

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with being able to actually do a journey, which for your

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listeners, would be really boring, because there'd be

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nothing to say and nothing to watch. But what I trust a lot is

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that people don't ask questions. Well, let me say it, the other

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way to be able to articulate the question is, is to almost name,

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what is going on, in a sense, like that willingness to get to

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a place where you say, things are possible this is happening

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is almost to affirm it is in less, you've already had work to

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have that energy removed. Right. And so, so there's that piece as

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well. But the other thing about soul parts coming back, just to

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add one more part to this whole story, is there's there's a

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proprietary nature, to our own body, we may not know it, but we

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really are the sovereign of our own body. And when soul parts

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come back, if there's invasive energies in those soul parts are

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often like Get the hell out of my room. Like you freeloading,

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squatting, whatever, get the hell out of my space. And so

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that's another aspect is for those people that feel they're

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not really able to claim their sovereignty in their own life.

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Often, that's because the aspects of themselves that were

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really helped them to do that have been lost and need to be

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brought back, and then reintegrated. And that's another

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piece. Because we adapt member I talked about how we adapt to

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this loss, when soul parts come back. Now for us as contemporary

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people, we need to integrate them, because we have to sort of

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and adapt if you think about it, you know, we changed when they

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lost, we need to get out of those bad habits or just

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problematic habits, and allow these energies back in not only

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to claim the space, but to also there's a quality in in

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integrating a soul part that allows us to let go of stuff.

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And let go of parts of our story that are

Unknown:

needed to be

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known and witnessed and told, but not

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again, and again, and again. Right. And so there's a time

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that most of us should feel, I mean, should be able to feel is

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what I meant. Where we realize this story telling it now just

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keeps me in it. It's you know, I've owned it, I've spoken it,

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it's been witnessed, you know, it's done its job. Like you

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said, it's been the lesson that it needs to be, I need to stop

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telling it I need to move on I need to create new stories with

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my life. And so it also helps us be able to let go of the pieces

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that do need to be let go of and and crystallize the teaching and

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then go forward as a living expression of the teaching, not

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a living expression of repeating the old story. So that yes,

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please. Yes. So if you felt that way that that was a possibility

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intuitively, especially since didn't you recently go back to

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court?

Anna Maydonova:

Yes. Yeah. September 2021.

Christina Lee pratt:

Yeah, but still, proximity is problematic.

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It, you know, and so if you're if you're feeling it, I would, I

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would definitely encourage you to at least get it checked out.

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Because even if it isn't your perpetrator, it could be another

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energy that has a similar pattern. That honestly, if if,

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if there's still a part that a lot that is like the mat, like

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the matching jigsaw puzzle piece for that kind of energy, if

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you're just walking through a busy airport somewhere, and that

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energy is present, it can notice its matching component, and

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connect, even if it's not your perpetrator, if it's a similar

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pattern. And that's the problem with this energy is, it's so

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personal, because it's our trauma. And I don't want to

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diminish that at all. It's also patterns, which aren't personal,

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right? It's just I hold pattern A and it fits together with

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pattern B. And so whenever I'm moving through space, in my

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life, pattern B gets attracted whether I want it to or not. So

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I need to change that I have pattern a basically, I don't

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want to be attracted to that anymore. So I would get it

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checked out. Definitely.

Anna Maydonova:

Thanks, Christina, you know what I

Anna Maydonova:

forgot to mention that after even one session of solid

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training, I felt so much energy, my, my husband noticed the

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change straightaway, like instantly. And I will keep check

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checking my energy because I did feel a little bit worrying when

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I was going back to my hometown and knowing that I have to face

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my perpetrator. But it it wasn't so such a strong feeling. So I

Anna Maydonova:

was just curious to know whether they there is still a link. But

Anna Maydonova:

I'm just wondering whether you had an experience with clients,

Anna Maydonova:

who didn't have such a tremendous and positive

Anna Maydonova:

experience with with soul retrieval. So what would you say

Anna Maydonova:

to those people? Isn't it? Because I assume it's not

Anna Maydonova:

happening in one hour, in one minute?

Christina Lee pratt:

Well, so Soul Retrieval is really

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interesting in the sense that if soul loss is the problem, and

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and the practitioner connects with the energy, and does a good

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job bringing it back, so that's a big gift. But let's assume the

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Soul Retrieval is done well, it's restored to your energy

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body, most people do have that experience you have because it's

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it is the missing piece, and all of a sudden, right. And after

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about two weeks, that changes, and then there's, there's more

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to be gained through an integration that happens over

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maybe the next six weeks. So it's about a two month period of

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continuing to work through things, some people experience

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the opposite. Where the soul part is returned. And they

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experience the problems that were going on when the soul part

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left immediately. And so there's an immediate return to the old

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problem. But it's important to realize you're not in the old

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problem anymore. Right? I mean, it might be something that

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happened when you were five, you're not five anymore. And so

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you really are you have become the adult who can be what those

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adults weren't at the time, right. And so, so parts don't

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come back when people can't be what they need to be for the

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part that's returning, assuming it's being done in a good way.

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Which goes back to the whole knowing when is it time to let

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go of things. So anyway, back to what I was saying is, it is

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often a sudden change. And then a need for this integration that

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follows after some people experienced that in reverse,

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where it's suddenly all the emotions are back that never got

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processed, and they need to move. I just encourage people to

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move to dance, make art, express those emotions and get to what's

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underneath it. And then it begins to be they get a

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connection to the energy. Some soul parts aren't so much about

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energy. They're about qualities that we knew we had, but we

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lost, you know, so different soul parts also have different

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energies that they're retrieving. So that's, that's

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also a difference. But your real question is, what about people

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that have had a soul retrieval and it didn't change anything?

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And I do get a lot of clients that say that to me, and I and I

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think, wow, I really want to appreciate your courage in

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trying again, because the first time it didn't help and they'll

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say something like, oh, yeah, well listen your podcasts and

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you talked me into it. So but anyway, what what what's

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happening is one of three things so in the mechanics of the soul

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lost soul retrieval. one of three things is happening, which

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is the first thing that's happening is they are working

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with a practitioner who isn't actually able to do the

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retrieval. They shouldn't be presenting themselves as someone

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who is able to do it. That is always a possibility today,

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because there are far too many people, particularly in the

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United States that are just going to do trainings and then

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hanging up a shingle, and there's no initiation, there's

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no connection to a larger cosmology that holds those

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teachings, none of the qualities of an indigenous culture that

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really hold that healing form in the whole system, it's meant to

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be held in our present, it's just an individual doing a

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technique. And I mean, even if we look at something like

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massage, right, I can feel the difference be some, between

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someone who's just doing a technique, massage, and someone

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who is allowing healing energy to move through them, and really

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listening to my body and moving intuitively, I mean, we all know

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the difference. And so I'm just gonna be honest, there are

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practitioners out there that are calling themselves shamans that

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just aren't doing a technique and they have no greater calling

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to the work. And traditionally, it would be a calling you would

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be brought to this work, because you have helping spirits that

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are saying, not just this is yours to do. But this is an

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expression of your purpose is a good vehicle for your purpose in

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this life. So learn how to do it and do it well. And stop

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whining.

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Well, mine had to say to me, like Stop complaining, we gave

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you an answer, and I'll deal with it. So that's a piece is

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you worked with a practitioner who did not actually retrieve a

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soul part. So it's not your fault that you don't feel

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anything different. It didn't really happen. Another thing is

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you are working with a practitioner, who is not a

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shaman who is doing something they are saying is like soul

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retrieval. And it isn't, it doesn't mean it's not a valid

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healing form. It's just not really bringing soul parts back

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because I get a lot of people that are really disappointed.

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Because their therapist told them this would be as good as

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like they're doing different, like rapid eye movement,

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different trauma therapy, things which are valid things to do.

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I'm not criticizing them and tell the practitioner says, oh,

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yeah, by the way, it'll bring your soul parts back to it's

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like, no, it doesn't. And so that's another problem is people

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being told they're getting a soul retrieval when they're not.

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All right, so with all that said, the other side of the coin

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is the soul part did come back. And a person was really

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resistant to the changes they needed to make to integrate with

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that part. Not everybody likes their soul parts, not also parts

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like the person. Why? Well, because of the adaptations,

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because people are afraid of their emotions. Because of the

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ramifications of the truth in their life, a lot of that, you

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know, there's, particularly with people that experience a certain

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amount of privilege and entitlement in life, there is a

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certain assumption that I should be able to change and get what I

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want in my life without having to change. Like, I want change

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in my life, I want it all without, you want to have to

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change, I don't want to have to do the work, the self discovery

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and the recognition that on part of the problem. Yeah, and

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they'll let that go. And so so that's another thing that can

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happen is that people sometimes receive soul parts back that

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they're really not ready to deal with the truth that returned

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with the soul parts. And sometimes it's that it's worse

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than you thought it was. Sometimes it's, it wasn't as bad

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as you thought it was. And that that is being like this whole

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story is being used as an excuse to not do XYZ in life. Now the

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soul parts back and it's like, let's do it. And you're like,

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Ah, wait, I just lost my excuse to not really show up in life,

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you know, not really risk. Right? And because, because when

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our whole soul is here, you want one thing other than being a

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good human, which is the foundation. What it wants is to

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do what it came here to do. And it's never been done before. So

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it's risky. It's always risky. But it wants the fulfillment of

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the expression of this soul's purpose, you know, this unique

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genius that is true only in this lifetime. No do overs, is it or

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it never happens. That's what the soul wants. So if all the

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soul parts are back, that's a really edgy life. It's risky.

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You know, you don't just get to sit back and your privilege and

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entitlement and be happy to actually do the deal. It's

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scary.

Anna Maydonova:

You know, what I've been avoiding looking back

Anna Maydonova:

and facing my traumas for 20 years. And I can tell you,

Anna Maydonova:

Christine, Christina, once I faced it, why Since, well, after

Anna Maydonova:

I've I've led my soul to come back. The whole life is just

Anna Maydonova:

started blossoming for me. Exactly unbelievable feeling.

Anna Maydonova:

And it feels, it feels like the real happiness came the

Anna Maydonova:

happiness of just being on this planet and serve people and help

Anna Maydonova:

people. And you know what else I've experienced, I've done so

Anna Maydonova:

many human beings. I did a past life regression. I remember for

Anna Maydonova:

hours, I was under the hypnosis, or I don't know how to explain

Anna Maydonova:

this thing. And I remember just, my Shaman was, was taking me

Anna Maydonova:

back into my past lives. And I remember seeing this huge black

Anna Maydonova:

funnel. And I was just falling like a leaf, slowly going down,

Anna Maydonova:

down, down. And then he will, he will tell me stop here. But you

Anna Maydonova:

see, and I said, I can't stop. And I would fall down. And he

Anna Maydonova:

would ask me again, stop here. And I, again, I just wouldn't be

Anna Maydonova:

able to stop. And then I literally landed on the bottom

Anna Maydonova:

of this funnel. And I saw myself as a cave woman, I'm not making

Anna Maydonova:

this up. It just my, my subconscious was doing this, I

Anna Maydonova:

wasn't controlling this process at all. And I wasn't making this

Anna Maydonova:

up. This is for sure. And I saw my hands like so clear, clearly.

Anna Maydonova:

And I realized that I'm a cave woman, because my, my palms were

Anna Maydonova:

bigger and hate much hairier, my feet, what might be going here,

Anna Maydonova:

and I was having some animal, you know, skin on my body. And I

Anna Maydonova:

remember, I couldn't see anyone, I run into my cave. And then I

Anna Maydonova:

knew something's gonna happen. And then I looked out, and I saw

Anna Maydonova:

a huge pterodactyl. Who See, sitting on the tree. And at this

Anna Maydonova:

point, I clearly remember thinking, or you're gonna kill

Anna Maydonova:

me, or I'm gonna kill you. And I knew, I have no one to help me.

Anna Maydonova:

And I think in those life, I told myself, there is no one to

Anna Maydonova:

help, you have to do everything, yourself. And I've been

Anna Maydonova:

following this for the whole my life. What do you think about

Anna Maydonova:

this? What are your thoughts about past life regression?

Christina Lee pratt:

And I think, you know, time is, time

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is weird. I mean, I don't we don't we we our mind only works

Christina Lee pratt:

if we sort of stay in linear time. And yet, much of our

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healing requires we leave linear time and go back in past lives

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and, and back in, you know, asking someone to go get a soul

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part that is from a different time in this life, I mean, we

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have to just deal with time, not always being linear. And so one

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of the things I feel about healing is that whatever you

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need in the moment, is genius when you get it. And so if the

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issue can be resolved through a process of reconciling some

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unresolved past lives, if that's what you're really stuck on, and

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that's what's causing the repeat of the pattern, it's absolutely

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essential to do it. If if something else was going on,

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it's not really going to help. And so that's part of the

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problem is people. In general, I'm not saying you did this. But

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in general, people find the things they're comfortable

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doing. And then they try to use those things to fix everything.

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But when so, so one of the ways that you can feel that it's a

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past life issue, for example. And that means it's an

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unresolved past life, because there's a whole lot of past

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lives that are just the sum total of who you are in this

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moment. And all of these gifts you came into this life with. So

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not every past life is an issue, but some are, because they're

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unreconciled. They're they're problematic in some way. And so

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and forgot where I was going with that. Oh, yeah, go ahead.

Anna Maydonova:

Let me ask you a question. How is our ancestors

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past life unresolved history of abuse and trauma impacts our

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life?

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Yeah, but so these are all this is the

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important thing for people to understand is these are all

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three different things and they're all real. And so that's

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what I was saying is knowing getting a good day. notes have

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about what is going on. And having that happen is really

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valuable. Oh, I'm just gonna say what how, you know if it's past

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life anyway, okay, so we're on ancestors, we can come back to

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past lives. So past lives, or their own thing, right, they

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have to do with your own soul as you're moving through lifetimes.

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So are just conceiving of that as a way to think about things.

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Ancestral issues are different issues, because they are

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potentially different people, there are lots of souls involved

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in unresolved ancestral issues. And as much as I know, some

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people believe in systems that we always constellate with the

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same Pete same souls over and over and over again, in every

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lifetime. Human beings are way messier than that. Think it

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always works that way. All right. And the other thing that

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happened is people can receive a guide or a helping spirit would

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be what I would call it, but you know, some sort of guide or

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Spirit help, that says, I'm an ancestor, but they're not from

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your lineage, you know, like, how am I supposed to make sense

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out of that, you know, so that's another thing that happens. And

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so my sense out of that would be it is an ancestor from a life in

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which you incarnated as a Chinese person or something, you

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know, you incarnated outside of this particular gene pool. But

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you would have to incarnate in different gene pools, how would

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you learn stuff anyway, back to your so unresolved ancestral

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issues tend to wait, those issues in our life, so they

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weigh more heavily on us, and tend to bias our perspective

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about life, our perspective about ourselves and our

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potential. And they tend through that bias, to get us to make a

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contemporary version of the same choices in the same pattern. So

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unresolved ancestral issues are extremely problematic right now.

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And unresolved family trauma may or may not propagate the same

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trauma, but it propagates problems for the living, we

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don't we end up not really having kind of a clean slate to

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write our life on, we end up with a biased bias perspectives.

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I do a lot of ancestral healing, in addition to Soul Retrieval

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work. And then past lives do show up in all of these

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different things that I do. So these are all things that that I

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work with, but what I try to train people to do as students,

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but then also with the small groups of people that I teach,

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to do healing work, the way I do is diagnose what you're working

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on, because they all feel like parts of ourselves. But just

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because it's a part of our self doesn't mean it's the same kind

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of part of ourselves. So there's that issue. And so really

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understanding what happens and with like a big

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a big family pattern, can create trauma that creates soul loss.

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But there's also the ancestral issue. And then in the midst of

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all of that can create some really shadowy things that we do

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as well, as well as a whole bunch of personal fragmentation.

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So one problematic ancestral pattern can generate a whole lot

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of different fragmentations as we as a kid tried to struggle

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with an issue nobody's talking about, because that's the other

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thing. I mean, I'm sure you know this, and anyone who's

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experienced trauma, half the issue is you've had this

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experience, no one will talk. No one acknowledges it, or they

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gaslight you and tell you something else was going on. But

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as kids, we feel this miasma of this unresolved ancestral

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energy. And if it's, it's feels attacking. Because what it's

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doing is it's looking for lifeforce to create change, it

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wants out, it wants freedom from being stuck in what it is, but

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it can only get that through the living. And so it tends to kind

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of cannibalize our life, not because it's evil or bad, but

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because it wants an opportunity for somebody to make a new

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decision. But we're so biased by it, we don't make a new

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decision, we make a new version of the same old decision. So

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it's a mess. It's really a mess right now. And we can see just a

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little tiny context with the war in the Ukraine, with all of the

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stuff that's going on in our world right now in the United

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States is such a mess right now. So much of this is rooted in

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ancestral issues. And so I offer a whole arc of how to begin to

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deal with your ancestors from the absolute most basic What do

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I do when I don't even know who my ancestors are? Which is not

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an untypical American thing to experience or what do I do if I

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don't like my relations? I don't want to have anything to do with

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them. That's pretty common, all the way through learning to

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transform those patterns I was just talking about. And then the

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third part of that for people that learn all those skills, is

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how do we work together as a collective with the skills to

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change social issues, you know, systematic patterns of abuse and

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injustice. And in so we're just learning how to do all those

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things not to totally hijack the show. But, but that is a real

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issue. It's a big thing. And and they tend to get conflated

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because it's similar patterns, you know. So different patterns

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of abuse that are getting handed down through the family line,

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then hit this generation, and some people are able to respond

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to it and say no, and other people in the family kind of

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cave into it, and then become the next generations expression

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of that pattern. And then the young are angry at everybody,

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because they're handing the stuff on to them. And so we

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don't understand, you know, why are teenagers are so angry right

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now? Well, look at the world we're handing to them. There's

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all this baggage we're handing to them, you know? Yeah, so it's

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kind of a mess. You know,

Anna Maydonova:

this is a gold nugget. Honestly, Christina,

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because I had a guest on my podcast, Vanessa Reuters. She

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mentioned that our trauma takes 14 generations to two to repair,

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and my Peeth one repair for the whole life. So I think it takes

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like seven past life and seven new lives. What I was trying to

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say that, don't educate your kids, educate yourself. Because

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that's, that's how you passing Christina, and Hunter you? What

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tools do you have? What tools do you use for people to help them

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with healing?

Christina Lee pratt:

So one of the interests is a really good

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question, because we're the first thing I experienced a

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brand new practitioner, this is now over 30 years ago, is I'm

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doing Soul Retrieval work with people and in an extraction of

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those invasive energies over time. So I'm doing that work

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with people, and mostly handing them back to their own support

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network, because I was working at the time with a lot of

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therapists that were interested in collaborating with their

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people. So they would send me people, I do one session with

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them and send them back, and they would integrate the work

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with their therapist. It's a wonderful setup. So what

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happened though, is the more people received soul parts back

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and grew healthier internally, they had no skills to be healthy

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externally, yet, they didn't have any new communication

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skills, they didn't know how to manage their energy body and be

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grounded and have boundaries, you know, there was just all of

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this lack of education for how to be in the world as a healthy

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person. And so I started teaching classes, to help people

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learn how to do that. And mostly, I just took what I

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learned and taught them how to do that. And then the other

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thing that was happening while this was happening, which I

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won't go too much into, but I was also receiving this whole

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system of teachings with its own cosmology. And so for people

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that want this big overhaul answer to this whole question

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you're asking, they do this four year training. But most people

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don't have the time to do that, these days. And it's hard,

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almost people don't want to. And so right here, kind of in the in

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the belly of the beast, which is a person who has experienced

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trauma is in recovery, wants some additional skills to

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whatever they have. So what we offer is healing services. So we

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offer people to do Soul Retrieval work potentially, to

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do extraction work, essentially, to help you get back the energy

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that's yours, and get it back in your energy body where it

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belongs, and get out the energy that's not yours, and put it

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back wherever it belongs, or do whatever needs to be done with

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it. But the idea is to at least get you in one place where you

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belong. So that's the healing services that are offered. But

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we also have online classes. And there's three arcs of online

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classes. But the main arc for just anybody doesn't require

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shamanism. The main art for any body is those is based on those

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life skills classes I was talking about in the beginning,

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which is how do you maintain yourself so that you can be a

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healthy person in a world that in many environments you're in

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isn't healthy? In many relationships, you'll be in

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their very, at least dysfunctional, if not

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potentially abusive? How do you navigate an environment that

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isn't? Well, potentially, alright, and then how do you

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gain the skills with others to create real connection and begin

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to rebuild community in your life, build family in a new way?

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You know, like you were saying, based on the education you've

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given yourself, how do you build new relationships and new

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community that doesn't end up just falling apart? See the way

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so much does in in our world. And so there's an arc of 377

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week classes that are progressive, that build from the

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energy body skills to that looking at those internal

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selves. And understanding which which of those internal selves I

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can integrate with? And which are those internal selves I need

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help with back to that diagnostic piece? Is it a sole

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part? Is it ancestral? Is it a shadow energy? Or can I clear

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this myself? Can I work on this myself, so there's that that

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piece is like, life skills for everybody. Then there's like an

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another level of learning a little bit more complex, not

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complex, more strategic clearing skills, and then the next level

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is even more strategic. But they're all built on each other.

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And so that just helps people? How do I live in a healthy in

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the world? How do I integrate these aspects of myself that

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come back? Whether it's a soul part, or, or just had a big, you

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know, Ayahuasca experience, I don't even know what happened,

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how do I integrate that? So it's giving people those internal

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skills to do that? How do I notice if there's an energy

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that's invasive? And recognize I actually need help with this? Or

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I can just put on the boots and kick them out in a hole? Like,

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what is it that ability to understand? Can I do this

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myself? Is this in my skill set?

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B. Let me say that a little more clearly, can I do this myself,

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because I am the sovereign in my own body, I make the rules.

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Nobody else gets to be here. And nobody else should be here.

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Like, every person should be able, and I say should, in the

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sense of we need to give them the skills to be able to be the

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person in the driver's seat of their own life and

Anna Maydonova:

to heal ourselves. Yeah. So because

Anna Maydonova:

there's

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so much only we can do. And we need to

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know when to ask for help. And that being able to feel

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confident in that. Alright, this is mine to do. I don't want to

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do it. But okay, I know how to do it, right? And then you do

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it. And then it's better. And then you go, you know what, this

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isn't mine to do. I can't do this myself, I need to ask for

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help. I need to ask for help from this kind of practitioner,

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knowing that is also really helpful in our process, because

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it's not either or. It's both. And there's a lot of sort of New

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Age Oh, you can do it all yourself and psych. No,

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actually, that's never been the way humans were in healthy

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cultures, people helped each other. And yet, in that

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sovereignty place, yes, you're right. You are the only person

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who can do that. Bottom line is you're the one who has to say

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yes or no. Yes. And the problem with childhood is we're not

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there yet. We're kids. Right? Yeah. So so yeah. So basically

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teaching people a lot of skills to do their own work and where

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we need help training people to to be available as practitioners

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to help people in that way.

Anna Maydonova:

For those who want this help, where people can

Anna Maydonova:

find you.

Christina Lee pratt:

Yeah, okay, so my, I can be reached at last

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mask center, las TMS, que los mas center.org. And you can find

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online classes there, you can connect to me through that

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website to get sessions. You can also get referred to other

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people. If you don't like to wait to get a session with me. I

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have a short list of people that I've trained that do healing

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work very much like I do. Let's see, though, and then there's

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also a huge archive of podcasts. I have over 500 hours of

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podcasts that are free for people to listen to at why

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shamanism. now.com And so sometimes you can find the

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answer you're looking for there. It's a bit of a deep dive. That

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that's a lot of hours, right. But um, but there's a lot of

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information there to support people and exactly what you're

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talking about. How do I understand how to do this

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differently in my life, because it is mine to do but I don't

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know how to do it. Right. That's what that podcast was mostly

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about.

Anna Maydonova:

Yeah. It's an amazing podcast, and there's so

Anna Maydonova:

much value. Christina, thank you so much. Before we go, do you

Anna Maydonova:

have any concluding thoughts?

Christina Lee pratt:

First is just to thank you. Thank you for

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walking your path for offering this place as a resource for

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people to do the work they need to do around their own life

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experience because we humanity that big way. We need your

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gifts. We need yours. We need every the only way we're going

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to do this together. And we need to do it as people that have

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learned how to bring their own unique gifts out and so I thank

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you for the role that you're you're Playing in helping people

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to do that is a hard way to learn to experience trauma. But

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if we can turn it into that gold, you were talking about

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turning it into that way that I still find my way to my purpose

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to who I am and to bring my gifts to the world then, so be

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it

Anna Maydonova:

to your superpower. Ladies and

Anna Maydonova:

gentlemen, Christina Lee Pratt. Thank you for being here. I know

Anna Maydonova:

it's not easy, but there is a part of you, who is ready to

Anna Maydonova:

take this journey all the way. And I can help. Reach out to me

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directly at ena at nma. The nova.com to get to work. You can

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also connect with me on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn,

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for more healing stories and magic. This journey is

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