The principal inquiry presented in this discourse revolves around the comparative attunement of animals and humans to the omniverse, particularly questioning whether the sensory reliance of animals outweighs the intelligence-based understanding of humans. Throughout the dialogue, we explore the multifaceted nature of consciousness, contemplating whether it encapsulates mere awareness or extends to a deeper connection with the surrounding environment. The conversation intricately examines instances of animal behavior, such as the alertness of gazelles in the presence of predators, as a means to elucidate the notion of consciousness and its implications for connectivity to the omniverse. We delve into the idea that animals may possess a heightened awareness that transcends human cognitive faculties, thereby prompting a reevaluation of the definitions of consciousness and intelligence. Ultimately, this episode invites listeners to reflect on the profound complexities of awareness and the existence of consciousness within both animal and human realms.
Takeaways:
The discussion centers around the relationship between human intelligence and animal senses in understanding the omniverse.
A key question posed is whether animals, through their senses, are more attuned to the omniverse than humans relying on intellect.
The conversation explores the definition of consciousness and its implications for both animals and humans in perceiving their surroundings.
Examples from nature, particularly gazelles and lions, illustrate the instinctual awareness animals possess in response to threats.
We examine whether animals possess a heightened consciousness that connects them more profoundly with the omniverse.
The speakers debate the relative connectivity of humans and animals to the broader consciousness of the universe.
So what was the question that you put forward to him?
Speaker A:
And let me.
Speaker A:
Let me look.
Speaker B:
So the question was, if animals rely on their senses and humans rely on intelligence, who would you say is more in tune with the omniverse?
Speaker A:
If animals rely on their senses and humans rely on intelligence, who would you say is more in tune with the omniverse?
Speaker A:
Is the omniverse an intelligence?
Speaker B:
Well, let's say that it was.
Speaker B:
That it's consciousness.
Speaker B:
One big ass ball of consciousness.
Speaker A:
You will go with that definition?
Speaker B:
I could.
Speaker B:
I could.
Speaker A:
Now, here's the question.
Speaker A:
Here's my question to you.
Speaker A:
Is that consciousness?
Speaker A:
Because what's the definition of conscious?
Speaker B:
Let's look it up and see.
Speaker A:
Well, according as an adjective, it's aware of.
Speaker A:
Of.
Speaker A:
And responding to one's surroundings awake, having knowledge of something.
Speaker A:
Aware.
Speaker A:
I guess if you go with that definition, you therefore have to say animals are conscious.
Speaker B:
Yeah.
Speaker A:
How.
Speaker A:
How can I say that?
Speaker A:
You ever watch lions hunt gazelles?
Speaker B:
Yep.
Speaker A:
You have a group of gazelles out there, and they sitting up there eating the grass.
Speaker A:
You know, they can't see anything, they can't hear anything or whatever.
Speaker A:
But all of a sudden, one gazelle sticks his head up, and then, you know, another gazelle may stick their head up, and all of a sudden the pack starts running.
Speaker A:
Which.
Speaker A:
Which gazelle usually gets e.
Speaker B:
The slowest
Speaker A:
or the sick one or the one that ain't paying.
Speaker B:
That ain't paying attention?
Speaker A:
Hey, it is the equivalent to, hey, you ever see.
Speaker A:
Hey, you ever been around a bunch of black people and.
Speaker A:
And just start running?
Speaker B:
Well, what would happen?
Speaker B:
Y' all know what gonna happen.
Speaker B:
Ain't no black person asking no questions.
Speaker B:
They gonna take off running.
Speaker B:
We ask questions when we get the.
Speaker B:
Away from where the we just came from.
Speaker A:
Yeah.
Speaker B:
Hey, bro, you were running for so.
Speaker B:
Cause that was running.
Speaker A:
So.
Speaker A:
So going back to the gazelle.
Speaker A:
And here's the question.
Speaker A:
What made that first gazelle, that second gazelle stick their head up?
Speaker B:
Well, the first gazelle, I would say, sensed something.
Speaker B:
Whether he.
Speaker B:
Whether it heard it or.
Speaker B:
Or actually felt the presence of something or the smell senses Definitely, definitely came into play.
Speaker B:
Now, the second one probably seen what the.
Speaker B:
That got down.
Speaker B:
The first one was trying to, you know, was looking at or it picked up on the.
Speaker B:
On the sense as well.
Speaker A:
Did.
Speaker A:
Did they pick up a vibe that.
Speaker A:
Did they feel a shift of energy?
Speaker A:
What let them know, hey, something ain't right?
Speaker A:
Lions around us, I would say it
Speaker B:
really depend on what sense alerted the.
Speaker B:
The gazelle to look up.
Speaker A:
So is that consciousness?
Speaker B:
Is that consciousness of becoming aware of some, according to the definition.
Speaker A:
So are you saying.
Speaker A:
Would you with that, going with that, Would you say animals are more connected to the Omniverse than we?
Speaker B:
I think they are.
Speaker B:
So.
Speaker B:
So, so, yeah.
Speaker A:
Could a person turn around and be more connected than the animal?
Speaker B:
More connected?
Speaker B:
I don't.
Speaker B:
I don't think.
Speaker B:
I don't think humans have the capability of being more connected than the animal.
