Are you seeking true fulfillment, or just temporary relief? In this powerful episode of *Seek Go Create*, Tim Winders sits down with Christine Jewell, founder of Warriors of the Heart and author of "Drop the Armor". Together, they explore how to align our lives with kingdom principles, address deep-rooted issues, and ultimately unlock an extraordinary life. Listen in as Christine shares her transformative journey from chaos to peace, and offers practical wisdom for anyone ready to ignite their faith and find genuine healing.
"Releasing the past and igniting faith transforms chaos into peace." - Christine Jewell
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Christine Jewell is the founder of Warriors of the Heart and the author of "Drop the Armor, Release the Past, Ignite Your Faith, and Unlock an Extraordinary Life." As a faith-based executive coach, she specializes in helping ultra high achievers and impact-driven leaders find true freedom and fulfillment by aligning their priorities with kingdom principles. Christine brings a rich background of overcoming personal struggles and professional burnout, transforming her journey into a mission to guide others towards faith, healing, and authentic success. Her work integrates deep emotional and spiritual insights, making her a compelling leader in the realm of holistic personal development.
1. **Deep Insights on True Fulfillment**: Discover why ultra high achievers often lack happiness and learn how aligning with kingdom principles can provide lasting fulfillment.
2. **Personal Transformation Stories**: Hear Christine Jewell's powerful journey from spiritual confusion to a life of peace and alignment with God's principles.
3. **Practical Tools for Healing**: Gain access to actionable strategies and exercises from Christine's book "Drop the Armor" to release the past, ignite your faith, and unlock an extraordinary life.
### Resources Mentioned
1. **Christine Jewell's Book: "Drop the Armor, Release the Past, Ignite Your Faith, and Unlock an Extraordinary Life"**
- Described as a playbook for releasing the past, igniting faith, and stepping into one's mission. The book includes exercises and tools for personal transformation. Purchasing it unlocks $200 in bonuses.
2. **Christine Jewell’s Podcast - Breaking Chains:**
- A platform where Christine shares insights and wisdom about integrating kingdom principles into daily life for fulfillment and success.
### Action Steps
1. **Seek First the Kingdom:**
- Evaluate your current definition of success and align it with kingdom principles. This involves prioritizing spiritual understanding and stewardship over worldly achievements.
- Reflect on Matthew 6:33: "But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."
2. **Practice Surrender and Trust:**
- Identify areas in your life where you are holding on to control and practice surrendering them to God. Trust in God's plan and timing, and incorporate listening prayer and daily touch points with the Lord into your routine to maintain this trust.
- Follow practical steps like starting your morning with prayer, reading scripture, and journaling your thoughts and conversations with God.
3. **Address Root Causes of Issues:**
- Instead of seeking temporary relief, work on addressing the root causes of emotional, spiritual, and physical issues. This can involve seeking healing from past wounds, forgiving those who have hurt you, and confronting generational patterns that need breaking.
- Consider seeking professional faith-based counseling or coaching to guide you through this deeper work.
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1. **Address Root Causes for True Healing**:
Christine Jewell emphasizes the importance of addressing the root causes of issues rather than seeking temporary relief. True healing involves delving deep into emotional and spiritual wounds rather than opting for quick fixes.
2. **Align with Kingdom Principles for Fulfillment**:
Success and fulfillment come from aligning one's life with kingdom principles, not merely achieving external success. Christine helps leaders integrate these principles into their lives, prioritizing spiritual alignment over worldly pressures.
3. **Transformation Through Surrender**:
Both Christine and Tim share personal stories of how surrendering control and yielding to God's will led to significant transformation in their lives. This lesson underscores the importance of letting go and trusting in a higher power for true peace and fulfillment.
4. **Seek Intimacy with God**:
Christine highlights the shift from seeing the Bible as a textbook to understanding it as her father's journal, which symbolizes a more intimate and personal relationship with God. This approach fosters a deeper spiritual connection and understanding.
5. **Overcoming Addictions and Generational Wounds**:
Christine discusses the deep emotional and spiritual aspects of addiction, emphasizing that underlying wounds and generational traumas need to be addressed for true healing. This lesson also highlights the transformative power of God's love in filling the void that often leads to addictive behaviors.
00:00 Introduction: Healing vs. Temporary Relief
00:34 Meet Christine Jewell: Author and Founder
01:57 Defining Success: Worldly vs. Kingdom
09:12 Christine's Origin Story: Double Life and Family Struggles
15:34 Addiction and Achievement: A Deeper Dive
22:01 Faith Journey: From Religion to Relationship
29:36 Surrender and Trust: Embracing God's Plan
34:42 A Divine Message: Stop Praying for Your Children
35:36 Trust and Control: Practical Steps
37:20 Building Intimacy with God
39:13 The Power of Prayer and Intercession
42:16 Fighting Differently: A New Perspective
53:02 From Chaos to Peace: A Personal Transformation
57:05 Conclusion and Book Promotion
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Do you actually want healing or do you want temporary relief?
Christine Jewell:Cause there's a lot of people that come in and really what you want is
Christine Jewell:a pacifier so you can feel better in a moment, but you really don't
Christine Jewell:want to excavate what's going on.
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Tim Winders:Ready to bridge the gap between earthly pursuits and the
Tim Winders:profound peace of living by faith?
Tim Winders:Welcome to today's episode of Seek, Go Create the Leadership Journey.
Tim Winders:Today we're joined by Christine Jewell, founder of Warriors of the
Tim Winders:Heart and author of Drop the Armor, Release the Past, Ignite Your Faith,
Tim Winders:and Unlock an Extraordinary Life.
Tim Winders:I've got a copy right here.
Tim Winders:We're going to be diving deep into that.
Tim Winders:Christine's book is written for those who strive for high achievement, but
Tim Winders:yearn for the fulfillment that comes from integrating kingdom principles
Tim Winders:into every aspect of their lives.
Tim Winders:And as a listener, you know, kingdom principles is what we love to talk
Tim Winders:about here In today's episode, I think Christine is going to share
Tim Winders:her transformative journey and key insights from her book, guiding us on
Tim Winders:how to become a new kind of warrior.
Tim Winders:One who loves leads boldly and fights with Christine, welcome to Seek, Go, Create.
Christine Jewell:Tim, thank you for having me.
Christine Jewell:I'm excited to be here.
Tim Winders:I'm excited that you're here too.
Tim Winders:All right.
Tim Winders:On page 181, I've got your book right here.
Tim Winders:I've gone through it.
Christine Jewell:All
Tim Winders:You list out.
Tim Winders:Can you spot the lies?
Tim Winders:And one of them is I am what I do.
Tim Winders:So my first question is.
Tim Winders:If someone asks you what you do, what do you tell them, Christine?
Christine Jewell:doing
Tim Winders:reading this, I go, Oh man, my first question
Tim Winders:is going to be like something.
Tim Winders:But yeah, lie number two here, I am what I do.
Tim Winders:So Christine, if someone asks you what you do, what do you tell them?
Christine Jewell:Yeah, that's a great question.
Christine Jewell:Obviously depends on the context, but from a career perspective, you know, what I
Christine Jewell:say is I help ultra high achievers and, impact driven leader that have chased the
Christine Jewell:world's ladder for success, established freedom and fulfillment in their lives.
Christine Jewell:By getting things in the right order,
Tim Winders:So would you give that answer if you're on an airplane with
Tim Winders:someone or just at a restaurant?
Christine Jewell:I would say that when people ask me what I do is
Christine Jewell:I, I just usually will say, I'm a faith based executive coach.
Christine Jewell:I work with CEOs and founders on getting their marriage back together, putting
Christine Jewell:millions of dollars back in their pocket and living a life of true freedom and
Christine Jewell:fulfillment rather than the rat race.
Tim Winders:And the reason why I ask you, I mean, I can tell
Tim Winders:we're going to have some fun.
Tim Winders:So let's just go ahead and start having a little bit of fun and
Tim Winders:you're going to go, Oh, thanks, Tim.
Tim Winders:when you use the term ultra high achievers and listen, we, people
Tim Winders:that listen in myself, we've all gone through this process of attempting
Tim Winders:to define our audience and who we interact with and things like that.
Tim Winders:But ultra high achiever, is
Tim Winders:it pretentious?
Tim Winders:Is it like obnoxious a little bit?
Tim Winders:does it, is it a little bit of a put off for some people?
Tim Winders:Come on, is it?
Tim Winders:I mean, are you like
Christine Jewell:know that it's a put off.
Christine Jewell:I honestly, it depends who I'm talking to, to Tim.
Christine Jewell:You know, sometimes I say I help warriors at heart, like people who've
Christine Jewell:been fighting battles their whole life.
Christine Jewell:I kind of tune into the person I'm talking to.
Christine Jewell:And then I speak into what I feel that they can really resonate with.
Christine Jewell:but the reality is a lot of my clients are ultra high achievers in the sense
Christine Jewell:that they are always at the top of the game by the world standards.
Christine Jewell:And a lot of them reach out cause they say, man, I have more
Christine Jewell:success outwardly than anything.
Christine Jewell:I have everything.
Christine Jewell:I have the houses, I have the boats, I have this, I have that.
Christine Jewell:Why am I so unhappy?
Christine Jewell:Like why?
Christine Jewell:It's like you, it's crazy.
Christine Jewell:Because they don't know and it eats them alive.
Christine Jewell:Yeah,
Tim Winders:things, but you said ultra high achievers by the world's
Tim Winders:standards, which, I've done deep dive studies in kingdom of God.
Tim Winders:And so I love this conversation because it's part of my journey.
Tim Winders:I think it's part of most of our journeys here on this, on the
Tim Winders:earth is kind of arriving at what.
Tim Winders:Success means, you know, what, what is it?
Tim Winders:Is it ultra high achievement based on the world standards?
Tim Winders:Is it?
Tim Winders:And then this kind of opens up a weird question is what is ultra high achievement
Tim Winders:in the kingdom of God standards?
Tim Winders:How do you think we people that have written a book called drop the
Tim Winders:armor 400 pages, by the way, I've I'm impressed with the wording.
Tim Winders:and by the way, I want to Thank somebody in your office sent me a physical copy.
Tim Winders:It's been a while since I've read a physical copy of a book.
Tim Winders:So, so I'm excited that right here, I've got the big, thick, dog eared
Tim Winders:physical copy of drop the armor, but how should we be defining success?
Tim Winders:what's your answer to that now?
Christine Jewell:Well, I think that's such a great question and to your
Christine Jewell:point, you know, we have the world's definition of success and what it has
Christine Jewell:shaped us to think that we want to chase and at the beginning of chapter
Christine Jewell:four, which is shift your allegiance.
Christine Jewell:You know, I say like when we chase the things of the world, we become puppets.
Christine Jewell:To the world.
Christine Jewell:We become puppets to other people's opinions, other people's agendas,
Christine Jewell:other people's opinions of us.
Christine Jewell:The greatest fear is, oh my gosh, what will people think of me?
Christine Jewell:What will I lose?
Christine Jewell:And it's all externally motivated, right?
Christine Jewell:And externally driven.
Christine Jewell:And so the world's System as we know is inverted and inside
Christine Jewell:out So there's definitely world success versus kingdom success.
Christine Jewell:So if we're talking about what is kingdom success, you know I think just
Christine Jewell:the verse is always just so on my heart is really seek ye first the kingdom and
Christine Jewell:then all things will be added unto us.
Christine Jewell:I think that when we look at it, for me anyways, you know, when I think whether
Christine Jewell:I'm growing a business or loving on people, spreading the word of God, like
Christine Jewell:Obviously the marketplace is my mission.
Christine Jewell:am I seeking God's heart for this situation?
Christine Jewell:Am I seeking under the king's dominion, the king's heart, the king's mind, for
Christine Jewell:whatever it is, my marriage, my children, this thing, if I get that right, I get to
Christine Jewell:experience the fullness of the experience, the kingdom experience of that situation
Christine Jewell:and all the bonuses that come with it, you know, according to the earth.
Christine Jewell:So I think for me, that's where I've really landed with that is that I am
Christine Jewell:living in accordance with, the, goals.
Christine Jewell:Of heaven and i'm seeking first the things of the kingdom and that's
Christine Jewell:love You know, we always say people are the currency of heaven, right?
Christine Jewell:We walk on gold.
Christine Jewell:They're like people is what god's concerned about you know, it's the fruits
Christine Jewell:of the spirit Am I am I experiencing a life where there is love where
Christine Jewell:there is peace where there is joy where there's understanding compassion
Christine Jewell:grace like All of these things that I feel many of them are precious We're
Christine Jewell:really absent from everything that the world system tells us we need to do.
Christine Jewell:We do all these things to try to get to peace.
Christine Jewell:We do all these things to try to get to love.
Christine Jewell:We do all these things to try to get to what we've already been given.
Tim Winders:I can't remember if it was, I was listening to a
Tim Winders:couple of episodes of the podcast.
Tim Winders:I think it's Breaking Change is the name of your podcast.
Tim Winders:and I was drawn to the ones where you and Mark, were, I think he interviewed
Tim Winders:you and then y'all were just having a conversation about something.
Tim Winders:I heard one of you talk about stewardship.
Tim Winders:So that's near and dear to my heart.
Tim Winders:You just brought up a scripture, Matthew 6 33.
Tim Winders:If I don't do life versus like some people, that would be it.
Tim Winders:Cause I spent three years studying the kingdom of God, but it might've
Tim Winders:been at the beginning of that chapter four that you referenced.
Tim Winders:I think Matthew 6 24, which basically says you can't serve God It's set,
Tim Winders:we use money, but it's really mammon.
Tim Winders:It's basically, you can't have two masters.
Tim Winders:You, you can't have two.
Tim Winders:And the thing that I was fascinated, I think there's going to be a good
Tim Winders:sort of lean into some of your story.
Tim Winders:Most of us, even if we would call ourselves people of faith, if we are
Tim Winders:people that are in, we'll call it the achievement category, I hear my
Tim Winders:mother saying, don't get a big head.
Christine Jewell:Get a big
Tim Winders:I believe that what we're doing is we're chasing after
Tim Winders:from Matthew 6, 33, the things, and then hoping we stumble upon the
Tim Winders:kingdom and his righteousness, or we really are serving two masters.
Tim Winders:And it sounds as if that's a lot of the journey.
Tim Winders:That you, I don't know about your faith or you could tell us a little bit
Tim Winders:about that from early on, but you've been chasing after a lot of stuff in
Tim Winders:your life and you caught a lot of it.
Tim Winders:Right?
Tim Winders:So, let's back up and let's talk a little bit about that for someone who
Tim Winders:doesn't know you, they haven't read the book, give a little bit of Christine,
Tim Winders:the early years so that we could get a little bit of this background.
Tim Winders:paradigm and understand why someone would lead towards needing to
Tim Winders:drop the armor later in life.
Christine Jewell:Yeah, of course.
Christine Jewell:So I geek out on our origin story.
Christine Jewell:You know, I just, God has done such a work in my heart around
Christine Jewell:getting rid of the orphan spirit and feeling this sense of abandonment.
Christine Jewell:And I think, you know, humanity as a whole.
Christine Jewell:Gets to really, overcome this and address it, but that was very real for me.
Christine Jewell:It was very real for my father.
Christine Jewell:So it was a great, a generational pattern, a generational curse
Christine Jewell:that also kept getting passed on.
Christine Jewell:But I love to really dig into our origin stories, not to stay there, but to
Christine Jewell:get an understanding, you know, What shaped us and how God's gonna use that
Christine Jewell:for good for our lives, you know, it's all preparation But when we go back to
Christine Jewell:my youth as I talk about in the book I kind of had this double life to be
Christine Jewell:honest when I was growing up and it's not because my father was in The CIA so
Christine Jewell:some people think oh you had a double life because your father worked at the
Christine Jewell:CIA early on But it wasn't so much that.
Christine Jewell:I mean, I grew up on Air Force, or I was born on Edwards Air Force
Christine Jewell:Base, and then we moved to Europe, and we moved countries a lot.
Christine Jewell:You know, my father was From the U S my mother was Italian.
Christine Jewell:you know, they met overseas.
Christine Jewell:He came from an upbringing of basically being abandoned as a child, living
Christine Jewell:alone in the woods as a kid, getting drafted and getting pulled in to,
Christine Jewell:the Navy and then later the CIA.
Christine Jewell:So really operating as a lone wolf, his entire existence alone.
Christine Jewell:And, you know, bringing that in.
Christine Jewell:To our family dynamic.
Christine Jewell:So when I grew up, I had this one side that was like this beautiful, rich life,
Christine Jewell:full of culture, traveling the world, seeing all these different countries, like
Christine Jewell:beautiful things, five star everything.
Christine Jewell:And then on the other side, it was a really dark, Relationship with my
Christine Jewell:father too, cause he was so lonely and he was so isolated and he was harboring
Christine Jewell:so many things and he, he ended up getting into the grips of alcoholism.
Christine Jewell:And so I was just always in this tension of, you know, on one side,
Christine Jewell:everything's so beautiful and it looks great and shiny on the outside.
Christine Jewell:And then on the other side, it's like the hand that hugs you is also
Christine Jewell:the hand that hits you and throws you across the room and you never
Christine Jewell:know what you're going to get.
Christine Jewell:It was very chaotic.
Christine Jewell:It was very volatile.
Christine Jewell:It was very confusing.
Christine Jewell:And so when I say I had these like double personas, right, you did,
Christine Jewell:it was like, Oh, shiny over here.
Christine Jewell:And then, Oh my God, crazy.
Christine Jewell:And you're trying to control everything.
Christine Jewell:And so that was really the program.
Christine Jewell:So I learned early on that I needed to control the atmosphere, perform, fix
Christine Jewell:everyone around me, you know, make sure that I could make, do all the things
Christine Jewell:to get dad to be happy, to get dad to approve, to get dad to calm down.
Christine Jewell:And that was the program.
Christine Jewell:So I did it through athletics.
Christine Jewell:I did it through, grades.
Christine Jewell:I did it through just.
Christine Jewell:Kick Button naves and whatever it was that I did.
Christine Jewell:And really what I realized early on, it was a survival mechanism but it
Christine Jewell:also became a program of how I received love, how I was able to control the
Christine Jewell:atmosphere of the people around me.
Christine Jewell:And, you know, that continued on in my life.
Christine Jewell:So we ended up beginning that.
Christine Jewell:Coming back to the U S you know, and settling there.
Christine Jewell:By the time I was 17, you know, we lost everything.
Christine Jewell:My father had, we were out of the, he was out of the CIA at the time.
Christine Jewell:He had been working in the corporate space, climbing the corporate ladder.
Christine Jewell:super, super successful.
Christine Jewell:Again, we had beautiful things, beautiful livestock, gorgeous home, gorgeous boats,
Christine Jewell:travel, all the things, beautiful wife.
Christine Jewell:But by the time I was 17, it was all gone.
Christine Jewell:Everything shattered, like we lost the house, everything
Christine Jewell:was repossessed, bankruptcy.
Christine Jewell:My father went MIA, literally went from being, you know, VP of a company
Christine Jewell:to being homeless overnight and shortly after that in prison for
Christine Jewell:a period of time and disappeared.
Christine Jewell:And I was like, I remember just that moment of just, it felt like
Christine Jewell:everything getting stripped from you.
Christine Jewell:And I just had made a decision.
Christine Jewell:Like I will never.
Christine Jewell:Trust anyone.
Christine Jewell:I will never trust a man.
Christine Jewell:I will never depend on anyone.
Christine Jewell:And if it's gonna be, it's up to me.
Christine Jewell:And I'm never gonna be like my mother, cause she was just weak.
Christine Jewell:And I'm never gonna be like my father and become an addict and
Christine Jewell:an alcoholic and all these things.
Christine Jewell:And so I just went in this relentless pursuit of fierce independence.
Christine Jewell:But here's the thing, Tim, you know, I went on to build a businesses, successful
Christine Jewell:businesses, to be honest, I'm so grateful.
Christine Jewell:They kind of got him to be on my life.
Christine Jewell:I always had favor in terms of financial success, but everything that I was
Christine Jewell:building, I was creating from a fuel unconsciously of anger, of bitterness.
Christine Jewell:of needing to prove myself, needing to be my own provider, my own
Christine Jewell:protector, my own source of strength.
Christine Jewell:And so I had a lot of drive, and that's where When I say that ultra high achiever,
Christine Jewell:it's like an addiction to the next thing.
Christine Jewell:You know, I competed in world championships.
Christine Jewell:I pushed my body.
Christine Jewell:I was training 25, 30 hours a week while running businesses, while raising kids.
Christine Jewell:And, you know, I finally got to the point where I talk about it in the book is the
Christine Jewell:perfect storm of everything just crashing.
Christine Jewell:my body got to the place where it completely burnt out.
Christine Jewell:The business became super stressed when my relationships were broken.
Christine Jewell:And I was like, I could no longer hold it all together through my own strength.
Tim Winders:from the book and there's more details for the, for the
Tim Winders:listener that definitely wants more
Tim Winders:But it's part of your journey.
Tim Winders:It's part of why you are, you know, before we hit record, I told you a little bit
Tim Winders:of my wife and I's journey, and some people would say, Oh my gosh, that's
Tim Winders:horrible, but we are who we are today.
Tim Winders:And I'm thankful for that.
Tim Winders:I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but I'm thankful that we went through that.
Tim Winders:First question, in that, answer that you just gave, you brought up your father who
Tim Winders:had an addiction to alcohol along the way.
Tim Winders:I don't know if that was all his life or just came to be.
Tim Winders:there's a follow up question related to the CIA thing.
Tim Winders:I'm going to ask it a little while.
Tim Winders:then towards the end of that, you mentioned that you had an addiction
Tim Winders:to, I term it achievement, but let's just say we've worded it here on
Tim Winders:many episodes and addiction to more.
Tim Winders:Okay.
Tim Winders:That's what I realized I was addicted to was one business is good.
Tim Winders:Two is better.
Tim Winders:Three is better, better compare the addictions, compare the addiction
Tim Winders:that you observed with your father.
Tim Winders:Alcohol, a substance with the addiction that you had, which the world system
Tim Winders:says, that's a good addiction.
Tim Winders:Good job.
Christine Jewell:a good
Christine Jewell:addiction.
Christine Jewell:That's
Christine Jewell:motivation.
Christine Jewell:That's the ambition.
Christine Jewell:Right.
Christine Jewell:And I want to say that, and that's why I said an addictive thing.
Christine Jewell:spirit.
Christine Jewell:And, you know, my father has struggled with the addiction to
Christine Jewell:alcohol, substance abuse, women, sex, pornography, a lot of things that I got.
Christine Jewell:I got so judgmental and it's easy to point a finger at someone
Christine Jewell:when it's something like that.
Christine Jewell:but really, and this is why.
Christine Jewell:I am deviating for a second.
Christine Jewell:This is why I don't really believe in addressing the thing that
Christine Jewell:people are struggling with, like the alcohol itself or the, the
Christine Jewell:sex, because it's not about that.
Christine Jewell:It's, there's something way beyond deep within that is a void that is empty.
Christine Jewell:That is just so thirsty and hungry.
Christine Jewell:Seeking some kind of love, some kind of affection, some kind of approval,
Christine Jewell:some kind of, you know, security.
Christine Jewell:And so the thing becomes the substitute for the real thing, which
Christine Jewell:is God, you know, and so my father's.
Christine Jewell:Addiction to alcohol and to women was really when we looked back It was
Christine Jewell:like really the place where he felt safety and he felt belonging, right?
Christine Jewell:It was like that's where I feel wanted.
Christine Jewell:I feel like a man again.
Christine Jewell:I feel like more of myself and I get peace Because that's
Christine Jewell:really what alcohol does, right?
Christine Jewell:It gives us relief.
Christine Jewell:It's temporary relief.
Christine Jewell:And actually, Tim, I know you coach and I coach and I have to be honest
Christine Jewell:sometimes when I ask people, I'm like, do you actually want healing
Christine Jewell:or do you want temporary relief?
Christine Jewell:Cause there's a lot of people that come in and really what you want is
Christine Jewell:a pacifier so you can feel better in a moment, but you really don't
Christine Jewell:want to excavate what's going on.
Christine Jewell:What really needs the medicine, you know?
Christine Jewell:And So, even though on the outside, the addiction looks different,
Christine Jewell:it's still the same desperate cry.
Christine Jewell:For worthiness, for being seen, for being heard, for feeling, you know, affirmed.
Christine Jewell:really all of our addictive tendencies is just us going to something as the source.
Christine Jewell:to fill the void.
Christine Jewell:And so the question is really like, what's the void?
Christine Jewell:You know, for me, it was the void of feeling seen, of feeling worthy, like
Christine Jewell:needing that affection and that love of the father, the approval, right, of man,
Christine Jewell:which we know can only come from God.
Christine Jewell:But do we ever try to get it everywhere else?
Christine Jewell:You know, whether we're aware of it or not.
Christine Jewell:And so a huge body of my work, and that's why the podcast
Christine Jewell:also is called Breaking Chains.
Christine Jewell:A lot of my work was healing the wounding that causes the addiction, you
Christine Jewell:know, the original wounds, collective wounds, but also the wounds in our
Christine Jewell:family that just kept getting passed on.
Christine Jewell:Right.
Christine Jewell:And if we don't heal them, we just pass on to our children and
Christine Jewell:they get to have, you know, the opportunity to heal those generational
Tim Winders:You know, one follow up just about the CIA, your CIA dad, we went to
Tim Winders:church years ago, right when we first got married, we've been married 35 years.
Tim Winders:And there was a gentleman that we knew in the small group together that was
Tim Winders:with a three letter agency for the state.
Tim Winders:And literally we would be gathering doing a get together and he
Tim Winders:would get a call and just leave.
Tim Winders:Couldn't tell his wife where he was going, no family and all that kind of stuff.
Tim Winders:And in my mind, maybe it's because I'm such a sharer, I was thinking
Tim Winders:to myself, what it would be like to have an occupation That I
Tim Winders:had to keep totally bottled up.
Tim Winders:And I know a lot of people have these, it's not just the three letter
Tim Winders:agencies, but I do wonder when I hear about people like your dad, and I
Tim Winders:think there's probably a good portion of you that came from his personality
Tim Winders:and you're a, you're outgoing and vivacious and things like that.
Tim Winders:I'm wondering if there was a good bit of him, he kept bottle up.
Christine Jewell:Yeah,
Tim Winders:if you've ever.
Tim Winders:Put any thought, and I know we don't analyze people that may
Tim Winders:not be around to be analyzed anymore, but any thoughts on that?
Tim Winders:Because he really did have to live a life that he couldn't share, I guess.
Christine Jewell:I've thought about that so often.
Christine Jewell:And in that really one, and I want to say too, when, when I started to learn
Christine Jewell:and the Holy spirit was so gracious in drawing me into my season of
Christine Jewell:humility and compassion, and I really changed my heart towards my father.
Christine Jewell:One of the things that he began to show me and reveal to me was all
Christine Jewell:of the stuff that my father had been suppressing and repressing and
Christine Jewell:holding in and not being able to talk about and not being able to share.
Christine Jewell:You know, not only from his work because I have no idea, but also from all
Christine Jewell:those years of, just being alone as a child, fatherless, all of the things.
Christine Jewell:And so again to anyone listening, it's like, you know, We all do this.
Christine Jewell:We all just swallow things.
Christine Jewell:We put on our masks, our armor, we get out there.
Christine Jewell:who taught us how to share our hearts in healthy ways, to, have healthy
Christine Jewell:dialogue inside of our relationships without being terrified of what
Christine Jewell:someone else is going to think.
Christine Jewell:I mean, thank God now we have podcasts and tools and trainings,
Christine Jewell:but, you didn't talk about feelings.
Christine Jewell:You didn't talk about most things.
Christine Jewell:And then to have all that stacking, I think for sure
Tim Winders:Yeah.
Tim Winders:our world was smaller for those of us that grew up in those times,
Tim Winders:some things were good about that.
Tim Winders:Probably some things, were not one of the thing I was going to ask maybe about
Tim Winders:Christine, the early years, obviously you're a powerful woman of faith.
Tim Winders:Now, from reading the book and all that has you wired now, but was your
Tim Winders:family a family of some degree of faith?
Tim Winders:Was there something there?
Tim Winders:And then, when did you start recognizing you were moving towards what we
Tim Winders:mentioned earlier, Matthew 6, 24, you were attempting to serve one, not two
Tim Winders:masters So Faith in your family, yes, no.
Christine Jewell:Yeah, let's talk about that.
Christine Jewell:So when I lived in Italy, actually, I lived in that area outside
Christine Jewell:of the Pope's summer residence.
Christine Jewell:So I have a picture of me, you know, when I was in Rome, Italy,
Christine Jewell:most everyone's Catholic there.
Christine Jewell:So not knocking Catholicism, but we went to Latin mass.
Christine Jewell:I had no clue what was happening.
Christine Jewell:And so even though there was a lot of religion.
Christine Jewell:There was no relationship.
Christine Jewell:It was a lot of ritualistic, and I could talk for days about that.
Christine Jewell:When we came to the U.
Christine Jewell:S., my mom moved out of the, you know, Catholicism and then we started
Christine Jewell:attending a local Christian church.
Christine Jewell:And I think that was just a time of hardship where she was just really
Christine Jewell:seeking, you know, solace and comfort.
Christine Jewell:And there was just so much chaos happening at home.
Christine Jewell:So, you know, I got involved in a youth group, in.
Christine Jewell:high school and I got saved in high school and we went to youth group camps.
Christine Jewell:We went on missionary trips.
Christine Jewell:We did bible studies like this was not foreign to me and here's the thing we
Christine Jewell:didn't talk about my divorce but I was married for 10 years and in the midst of
Christine Jewell:all my chasing of the things of the world if you would have come to me and said
Christine Jewell:do you know Jesus I would have said yes if you would have said are you saved I
Christine Jewell:would have said yes I'm going to heaven if I die tomorrow I know where I'm going.
Christine Jewell:But I was not living according to the King.
Christine Jewell:And everything in my life was world, except for on a Sunday or a Bible study.
Christine Jewell:And then we're like, yes, you know, we love Jesus.
Christine Jewell:And I prayed and my ex husband and I even taught a Bible study.
Christine Jewell:And here's the thing.
Christine Jewell:It wasn't real.
Christine Jewell:I did not have intimacy with the Holy Spirit.
Christine Jewell:I just could not bridge the gap between this great book of life.
Christine Jewell:Like I, I just did not have my heart cracked open to.
Christine Jewell:And I think it was because I was not I had not entered into intimacy with
Christine Jewell:Jesus And so I wanted to share this because here's what happened I believe
Christine Jewell:that we so many of us are walking it and we say I am a man of faith.
Christine Jewell:I am a woman of faith I'm saved.
Christine Jewell:I've been saved my whole life.
Christine Jewell:We go to church.
Christine Jewell:We're good people.
Christine Jewell:We give to the church We tithe the thing is that it's wired in us
Christine Jewell:to have a supernatural experience
Christine Jewell:And I believe as humans, we are craving like it's just in us to crave intimacy
Christine Jewell:and to crave this, the supernatural, not paranormal experience because God
Christine Jewell:is really, he's alive, he's active.
Christine Jewell:And so what happened Tim, to be quite honest, after I was
Christine Jewell:divorced, I was like, this is, If it's going to be, it's up to me.
Christine Jewell:So I bought into the golden calf of the entrepreneurial world.
Christine Jewell:And I started really just sure.
Christine Jewell:I did the church thing over here, but I was craving the spirit so much.
Christine Jewell:So what happened is for years, I actually got pulled complete.
Christine Jewell:I was like the lost sheep.
Christine Jewell:I went totally the opposite direction and not intentionally, but I started
Christine Jewell:opening spiritual doors to more new age things, you know, like that
Christine Jewell:seemed innocent enough and I had a holistic health and performance studio.
Christine Jewell:So we were teaching.
Christine Jewell:Things that are holistic in nature, but you also start opening spiritual doors
Christine Jewell:before you knew it I was like introducing plant medicine into my life and all kinds
Christine Jewell:of different things and the Lord allowed me Thank God his hand of protection was
Christine Jewell:on me But he allowed me to go into this world that was very spiritually active
Christine Jewell:very spiritually alive And I felt a lot of power and not all of it was from God
Christine Jewell:It was actually the opposite, but I began to have these Supernatural experiences.
Christine Jewell:And finally it got to the point where I became so confused, so disoriented.
Christine Jewell:And I was in my family room in Canada where I lived at the time.
Christine Jewell:And I remember I had my encounter with Jesus where I felt his hand literally come
Christine Jewell:into the room with me and like, pull me out of this pit and say, are you done?
Christine Jewell:Are you ready for me to be enough?
Christine Jewell:And he said that's enough and it was so like I just got goosebumps
Christine Jewell:again because it was so real It was like I could I could see his hand.
Christine Jewell:I could feel his hand pulling me out And I ended up he said no more.
Christine Jewell:So I ended up burning so many books not that they were bad
Christine Jewell:They weren't witchcraft books.
Christine Jewell:A lot of them were just secular books, but I had been putting so much faith
Christine Jewell:Into business books and what this person said and what that person said and he
Christine Jewell:said I want you to go through a season Of getting to know me, of getting to know my
Christine Jewell:heart, my voice of like intimacy with me.
Christine Jewell:And I've called that like, that's really when my love affair with Jesus began.
Christine Jewell:And that was when I start to really feel his presence in my life.
Christine Jewell:I had like the kingdom became alive, more alive than the earthly things.
Christine Jewell:And that was a season where.
Christine Jewell:Everything that I had talked about externally for so many years, I
Christine Jewell:actually began to see it and breathe it.
Christine Jewell:And he was walking me through how to move that into every area of my life.
Christine Jewell:And he worked it out, Tim, in my parenting, in my finances, in
Christine Jewell:the way I was like every area.
Christine Jewell:He's like, okay, we're going to go in here and I'm going to show you
Christine Jewell:how it's done in a way that glorifies
Tim Winders:So what did that do?
Tim Winders:You mentioned earlier, and I actually wrote down a couple of pages here on
Tim Winders:page 51, you talk about you were addicted to push, and I think you even named one
Tim Winders:of your studios, something about push.
Tim Winders:And then I went back on page 21, you said you're addicted at times to the
Tim Winders:struggle and the fight, which this is actually something I want to bring
Tim Winders:up about the book in a little while.
Tim Winders:but it was talking about addictions earlier and, you know, we've got
Tim Winders:this mantra, no pain, no gain.
Tim Winders:In fact, the resort we're in right now, there is a sign in the gym here.
Tim Winders:I don't really do the gym much anymore.
Tim Winders:I play pickleball and do a couple of pushups.
Tim Winders:You gym people, y'all can have fun at the gyms, but there's
Tim Winders:a sign says no pain, no gain.
Tim Winders:So I'm sitting there and I'm looking at it and I'm getting to the place where
Tim Winders:I don't agree with that anymore, where it's like, I don't know that I like.
Tim Winders:That mindset because it feeds some things that you and I are talking about here.
Tim Winders:But the the thing I want to ask is and I love you sharing what you just shared
Tim Winders:because Your faith became real and it became yours In that instance in that
Tim Winders:moment, and I believe what a lot of us do that call ourselves people of faith
Tim Winders:And we'll go ahead and say it's really about jesus, but we've got this jesus plus
Tim Winders:thing going Yeah, we believe jesus But I also am into crystals or I'm, you know,
Christine Jewell:horoscopes, hero cards,
Tim Winders:whatever, or,
Tim Winders:or it could be the gym.
Tim Winders:You know, a lot of people are addicted to the gym or fitness or their
Tim Winders:looks or something that isn't Jesus.
Tim Winders:And that is the root.
Tim Winders:And there was something that I read Oh, page 313, I have a note here is where you
Tim Winders:went through a process of surrendering.
Tim Winders:And when I see someone talk about surrender, I don't know
Tim Winders:if it was around that time.
Tim Winders:If it is, you can say something about it.
Tim Winders:But I think that what we do, and there's a word you brought up earlier is trust.
Tim Winders:when we don't really trust, we have a desire to control.
Tim Winders:And you can't surrender when you're attempting to control
Tim Winders:everything around you.
Tim Winders:So talk, I don't even, I don't even have a question here, but just
Tim Winders:take what I've said and keep going
Christine Jewell:Yeah, you know, it's so true.
Christine Jewell:Cause we hear these terms like, just let it go, put it down, you know, come
Christine Jewell:to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
Christine Jewell:And you know, my yoke is easy.
Christine Jewell:My burden is light.
Christine Jewell:And we take those things so lightly.
Christine Jewell:But it's a totally different thing to really go, gosh, everything that
Christine Jewell:I'm holding on to white knuckled.
Christine Jewell:Like there's a prayer, Tim, that I love to do.
Christine Jewell:And again, it came to me in this season of really, I had a season of revelation after
Christine Jewell:revelation where the Lord was just taking me through all these different things.
Christine Jewell:And I would have my arms up and he was like, give me everything that you are
Christine Jewell:white knuckling in your life right now.
Christine Jewell:Like, you know, those things that you were just like, Somebody has to like
Christine Jewell:pry your fingers and maybe it's where the next cash flow is going to come in.
Christine Jewell:Maybe it's whatever, what your in laws are doing, what you're worried
Christine Jewell:about your kids, but like we're still trying so hard to hold on, you know,
Christine Jewell:and it's like, open your hands, give it to me, like really give it to me.
Christine Jewell:When I was saying, earlier about, he took me through a process with
Christine Jewell:my kids, with my business, with my finances, he kind of took me through
Christine Jewell:that process in every area of my life.
Christine Jewell:It's like, what are you holding on to even with your children?
Christine Jewell:And I had some things really going on with one of my oldest, Children and
Christine Jewell:I kept trying to save her and I kept trying to fix her and I kept trying to
Christine Jewell:talk to her And everything I was doing was just not working And finally it was
Christine Jewell:like he said put her on the altar Like it was my abraham and isaac moment like
Christine Jewell:really, you know, and I I was in a prayer.
Christine Jewell:I was visualizing I said, okay.
Christine Jewell:I finally said Father, she is your daughter first, you know, and this
Christine Jewell:is my season of intimacy and I'm still very intimate with the Lord.
Christine Jewell:What I mean by is like, you are her father.
Christine Jewell:You are my spiritual husband.
Christine Jewell:Also I'm calling on you to step in and do what only you can do in her heart.
Christine Jewell:Like take her, you know her better than I do.
Christine Jewell:You know everything about her past or future, you know, everything
Christine Jewell:she's worried about, scared about.
Christine Jewell:I'm going to release her fully to you and trust you.
Christine Jewell:And I'm speaking to the women out there right now because I see a lot of women.
Christine Jewell:We don't trust our husbands.
Christine Jewell:We don't trust the men in our lives and it's A lot of it is linked to our
Christine Jewell:relationship with the father, right?
Christine Jewell:How we do this and men too, right?
Christine Jewell:When it's like, can I learn to trust?
Christine Jewell:And maybe there's some things healing that gets to happen with
Christine Jewell:the father, they're the physical father and the spiritual father.
Christine Jewell:But it, that season of surrender was really laying everything down on the
Christine Jewell:altar, releasing everything I was holding white knuckled onto and really
Christine Jewell:remembering, like I can have the greatest vision, I have the greatest
Christine Jewell:plans, but am I open to yielding?
Christine Jewell:This is really important Is that the spirit is always talking, you know,
Christine Jewell:some people say I don't hear the holy spirit talk I'm, like is that because
Christine Jewell:he's not talking It's because you ain't listening, you know, and I think it
Christine Jewell:was bill johnson who said, you know The ability to hear god's voice is directly
Christine Jewell:correlated to our desire To actually hear what he has to say about the situation
Christine Jewell:not what we want him To say about the situation So being able to open my
Christine Jewell:eyes and my heart and I had to pray for this by the way This was not something
Christine Jewell:that came easy because I was like I am resisting you hardcore I need you.
Christine Jewell:I am praying For you to soften my heart to give me the desire to trust you I
Christine Jewell:had to pray for that right and then when I did I would hear his voice You
Christine Jewell:And then he would whisper and then I would yield to what he was telling me.
Christine Jewell:And then he meets us on the other side of obedience, right?
Christine Jewell:And so what happens is, is I obeyed and I yielded my way to his way.
Christine Jewell:And so all of a sudden I began to trust.
Christine Jewell:His character more because I saw him showing up more because
Christine Jewell:I was walking in obedience.
Christine Jewell:And so it's like a muscle, right?
Christine Jewell:The more I see him, the more I trust him.
Christine Jewell:The more I see his character show up, the more I trust him.
Christine Jewell:And it's this relationship.
Christine Jewell:It's just no different in a marriage, right?
Christine Jewell:Or any relationship.
Christine Jewell:But a lot of us, I think we're like, well, I haven't, I don't trust the Lord.
Christine Jewell:And I have to ask the question, when was the last time you moved in faith and.
Christine Jewell:Sometimes when you ask that question, it's like crickets and I'm like, well, are you
Christine Jewell:surprised you don't trust you always went the obvious, like I'm on the other side
Christine Jewell:of this door and we're like, okay, see ya.
Christine Jewell:But I'm going to go this way.
Christine Jewell:So,
Tim Winders:or people, they just, they're for me, it's, I
Tim Winders:have to be still and quiet often.
Tim Winders:And everything about my life, I don't know, I'm actually getting
Tim Winders:pretty good at being still and quiet, but it's taken 60 years.
Tim Winders:You know what I mean?
Tim Winders:it's been a long process.
Tim Winders:There was a period of time where our children were probably older than yours.
Tim Winders:Ours are in their thirties now.
Tim Winders:this was in the formative years late teens, twenties, where we were
Tim Winders:praying for some things for our kids.
Tim Winders:we were casting out decreeing doing, all the mumbo jumbo stuff
Tim Winders:that sometimes we do with prayer.
Tim Winders:And I was spending some quiet time with the Lord and I feel very confident.
Tim Winders:He told me, and I shared this with my wife and fortunately she took it well.
Tim Winders:That the Lord said, stop.
Tim Winders:Praying for your children.
Tim Winders:I've got them.
Tim Winders:Y'all's prayers are powerful and y'all are praying against me.
Christine Jewell:He's like, I'm doing
Tim Winders:was,
Tim Winders:yeah.
Tim Winders:And you know what?
Tim Winders:Shortly after we just, and I'm not, this is not like a formula.
Tim Winders:Stop praying for your children.
Tim Winders:That's not what Tim is saying here.
Tim Winders:The Lord told me and my wife, Glory to stop praying for our children.
Tim Winders:When we did, there was something really miraculous that happened within days.
Tim Winders:the thing about it is with this trust and control.
Tim Winders:And I guess a question that I've got at 17, I heard you say it was almost
Tim Winders:like a Scarlett O'Hara moment as God is my witness, I'll never blank.
Tim Winders:I'll never be poor again or whatever.
Tim Winders:And so you spent a lot of years with that kind of mantra.
Tim Winders:How hard is it?
Tim Winders:And what are some practical things?
Tim Winders:I know you've got them in the book.
Tim Winders:We're going to, I'm going to ask for a couple of them here.
Tim Winders:And what are, what are some practices that you have,
Tim Winders:Christine, that kind of keep you?
Tim Winders:In that trust submission, not trying to control everything type mode, because
Tim Winders:once you do and get results, it is many times you're talking about addictions
Tim Winders:and things that are hard to change.
Tim Winders:It's hard to change that.
Tim Winders:So
Tim Winders:tell us how to do that.
Christine Jewell:Yeah.
Christine Jewell:Have we arrived?
Christine Jewell:The answer is never.
Christine Jewell:You know, we're always being refined.
Christine Jewell:We're always growing in intimacy.
Christine Jewell:We're always being renewed every single day.
Christine Jewell:And I'm always so grateful when I get new revelation or new insight.
Christine Jewell:And I also know, wow, like there's so much more to that, that he
Christine Jewell:wants to show me in the right time.
Christine Jewell:And so I'm just going to say, God, I had to do a lot of work.
Christine Jewell:On my life or in the area of relationship, you know, I came from a broken marriage.
Christine Jewell:I came from a lot of abandonment and rejection.
Christine Jewell:And again, I think we all have our own stories, but because he's
Christine Jewell:a relational God, and I think he really, it's about the relationship.
Christine Jewell:And so I want to use, when we talk about what are the practices, I really
Christine Jewell:believe it's about If you were had an wanted to have an amazing intimate
Christine Jewell:relationship with your spouse, I'm not just talking about physical intimacy.
Christine Jewell:I'm talking about where you were just on the same page.
Christine Jewell:It's like you can just sense each other.
Christine Jewell:You know where each other's moving and thinking like, that's not just like,
Christine Jewell:okay, we had our annual get together or a weekly thing and we hung out.
Christine Jewell:We went on a date now.
Christine Jewell:Boom.
Christine Jewell:See you next week.
Christine Jewell:It's like all day, every day.
Christine Jewell:You guys are just, you know, top of the day, middle of the day.
Christine Jewell:There's touch points.
Christine Jewell:there's just a rhythm to your relationship.
Christine Jewell:and so it is with the Lord.
Christine Jewell:You know, I love when Jesus says pray without ceasing,
Christine Jewell:like pray over everything.
Christine Jewell:All things pray all the time.
Christine Jewell:Does that mean we need to literally be on our knees praying?
Christine Jewell:No, I believe that's like, I'm in the conversation with you all day long.
Christine Jewell:whether I'm in the shower, I'm driving, I'm worshiping.
Christine Jewell:I'm just like, Lord, what do you see that I don't see?
Christine Jewell:and I'm sharing my heart with you I want to talk about.
Christine Jewell:protocols.
Christine Jewell:I love, Colossians putting on the new self, getting up every morning.
Christine Jewell:We have a renewed mind.
Christine Jewell:We have a renewed spirit, but it's like clothe yourself every day.
Christine Jewell:And so I think like we go to bed, we get undressed or whatever.
Christine Jewell:And then every morning you're physically getting dressed,
Christine Jewell:but you're also spiritually.
Christine Jewell:Getting dressed and you know for me, that's obviously that
Christine Jewell:morning time of intimacy.
Christine Jewell:Yes, you know intimacy every day with the Lord I love to start my day.
Christine Jewell:Sometimes I ask in bed or I do listening prayer, which is like Holy Spirit
Christine Jewell:What would you have of me today?
Christine Jewell:Where are you?
Christine Jewell:what is the authorized work?
Christine Jewell:What word do you have for me?
Christine Jewell:sometimes he's giving me a Specific directive right out the gate and sometimes
Christine Jewell:it's just that one word that he's speaking in to me And then as he speaks into
Christine Jewell:me I'm like, tell me more about that.
Christine Jewell:And that, tell me more.
Christine Jewell:I've gone through seasons where that word is like, trust.
Christine Jewell:Recently, Tim, it's like, I get up, Holy Spirit, what would you have?
Christine Jewell:I mean, he's like, pray, pray, And as I'm like, okay, pray.
Christine Jewell:And I start, you know, what does that mean?
Christine Jewell:And I'm going in his word, like, tell me more.
Christine Jewell:The mind, the word is the mind of God.
Christine Jewell:I want to understand more of what do you mean by prayer?
Christine Jewell:Intercede, right?
Christine Jewell:Intercession is being able to hit the bullseye.
Christine Jewell:I'm praying for focus.
Christine Jewell:He's like, pray.
Christine Jewell:Right?
Christine Jewell:He's telling me to go intercede.
Christine Jewell:I'm praying for focus.
Christine Jewell:The word intercession means to hit the mark.
Christine Jewell:So it's just so funny that if we kind of dig a little, just as in a relationship,
Christine Jewell:it's like, what do you mean by that?
Christine Jewell:Tell me more, like, help me understand more.
Christine Jewell:He just keeps speaking more into us.
Christine Jewell:Right?
Christine Jewell:And so I love to ask him questions and bring things on my heart,
Christine Jewell:early in the day and just.
Christine Jewell:Continue to digest on that and I do believe, you know, like having those
Christine Jewell:practices to really get in the word
Christine Jewell:Because again going back to what we were talking about.
Christine Jewell:I did Bible studies Look, I went to like a three hour Bible study every week.
Christine Jewell:I taught a Bible study We were at a church that was very heavy on Bible studies,
Christine Jewell:but it was so cerebral We were looking at this, the, the, you know, this as like
Christine Jewell:a textbook and we were dissecting it and arguing over Theology and what this meant
Christine Jewell:and what that meant instead of opening it up like it's a breath from God You
Christine Jewell:know, like it's I always look at this as my father's journal, you know And he
Christine Jewell:like left me his journal of every single thought every piece of advice everything
Christine Jewell:that he wants me to do I'm like, do I get in there read my dad's journal?
Christine Jewell:Like And read it, trying to get to his heart.
Christine Jewell:And so, I mean, I could go on and on, but I think those are some powerful things
Christine Jewell:that if I go at the top of the day and I start my day and end my day with this,
Christine Jewell:with that posture of heart, it just helps keep me In the right path, you
Tim Winders:That's so good.
Tim Winders:And I, you know, we, my wife and I spent a few years at a Bible college,
Tim Winders:it was sort of a Dickens tale.
Tim Winders:It was the best of times.
Tim Winders:It was the worst of times, if you know what I'm saying, because so
Tim Winders:many people know all about God.
Tim Winders:They know scriptures.
Tim Winders:They can spout and quote, you know, all this type stuff.
Tim Winders:But there wasn't the fruit of the spirit, which to me, the fruit is
Tim Winders:what spills over from knowing God.
Tim Winders:And you, you brought it up earlier.
Tim Winders:It was in my quiet time this morning.
Tim Winders:I was journaling and I was talking to the Lord about some of my projects
Tim Winders:and I was listing out all, I work with leaders and leaders of organizations
Tim Winders:and I was listing out clients and praying for them and things like that.
Tim Winders:And I was asking him if he had any instructions and all that.
Tim Winders:And he, his response was.
Tim Winders:Oh, that's good.
Tim Winders:Thanks for turning it over to me and letting me help you
Tim Winders:says, but it's about the heart.
Tim Winders:It's about your heart.
Tim Winders:You know, he said, you're, you know, the world system is transactional.
Tim Winders:The kingdom of God is heart love relationships like you brought up.
Tim Winders:So that's powerful.
Tim Winders:When I am shifting a little bit here.
Tim Winders:So when I.
Tim Winders:First got your book and and I do want to say cool cover.
Tim Winders:I love the emerald green on the Especially on the back here.
Tim Winders:Look at the emerald green.
Tim Winders:So I'm going to bring this up and you could respond.
Tim Winders:My first thought, maybe it was my paradigm was, Oh, this is someone
Tim Winders:who's been a fighter all their life.
Tim Winders:And now they're realizing they don't have to fight.
Tim Winders:I don't think that's entirely correct, but I actually do think that a lot
Tim Winders:has changed with you related to that.
Tim Winders:If I'm reading in correctly, there is still a fight, but.
Tim Winders:Maybe we're not supposed to be fighting it the same way.
Tim Winders:Give me a Just respond to what I said there.
Tim Winders:Does that do you know what I mean?
Christine Jewell:a hundred percent and here's the thing The book was already
Christine Jewell:written because I had been journaling through that whole wilderness season
Christine Jewell:that the lord was taking me through and I'd Written like 18 journals like every
Christine Jewell:day i'm writing and I remember You What the Lord was teaching me to do was how
Christine Jewell:to fight different, how to get clear on what I was fighting for, how to upgrade
Christine Jewell:my arsenal, my, my tools in my toolbox, my weapons in my arsenal, which weren't
Christine Jewell:gonna be my words to cut people down or, right, or, or judge or whatever, like
Christine Jewell:all the things, everything, like from the power of my words, to how I was using
Christine Jewell:scripture, to how I was using spiritual sight, like he was helping me redefine
Christine Jewell:all of that, and he was teaching me how to fight different, How to fight both
Christine Jewell:in the physical and in the spiritual, but from totally different fuel, right?
Christine Jewell:Not from the fuel of anger, wanting to push away and control
Christine Jewell:things, but really from the heart.
Christine Jewell:And so I wanted to call the book fight different.
Christine Jewell:But then when I, that was really the whole point.
Christine Jewell:I'm like, we got to learn to fight different.
Christine Jewell:Cause I'm a warrior.
Christine Jewell:Like the Lord has made me a warrior.
Christine Jewell:Like I'm a warrior queen.
Christine Jewell:through and through, right?
Christine Jewell:Like I love to fight in the spiritual.
Christine Jewell:And especially now the times that we're in, I think we really got to
Christine Jewell:get this, but how I fight and what I fight over and what the fight
Christine Jewell:looks like is radically different.
Christine Jewell:The publisher said, no, nobody's going to want to buy a book called fight
Christine Jewell:different cause nobody wants to fight.
Christine Jewell:And so we went with one of the chapters, which was drop the armor.
Christine Jewell:But in order to go from fighting, you know, a warrior of the world.
Christine Jewell:fights for significance, right?
Christine Jewell:Fights, fights for their security.
Christine Jewell:They fight for love and affection.
Christine Jewell:They fight, they think they're fighting for justice.
Christine Jewell:There's a lot of people right now in the world thinking they're
Christine Jewell:fighting for justice, but just adding to the collective chaos.
Christine Jewell:When we're able to go, okay, What are we?
Christine Jewell:A warrior of the heart, right?
Christine Jewell:And I say the heart because the heart is the gateway to the soul.
Christine Jewell:And even though the heart, he who has your heart has your soul, right?
Christine Jewell:So like, what are the things that your heart is devoted to?
Christine Jewell:Well, my heart is fully devoted to the Lord.
Christine Jewell:Going back to you cannot serve God and Mammon, you know, you have to pick one.
Christine Jewell:You can't be in a love affair with both.
Christine Jewell:God doesn't share.
Christine Jewell:He's a jealous God.
Christine Jewell:He's like an all in.
Christine Jewell:He's like, you're all in or not.
Christine Jewell:I don't share, right?
Christine Jewell:My heart is all in for him.
Christine Jewell:The fight's different, you know, because he gives me a
Christine Jewell:heavenly view of the battlefield.
Christine Jewell:And, when it's time to go in, when it's time to move, when it's time to
Christine Jewell:pray in the spirit, when it's time to move physically, when it's time
Christine Jewell:to change a business strategy, right?
Christine Jewell:It's, it's just like the strategies are different because they're heavenly
Christine Jewell:strategies versus earthly strategies.
Christine Jewell:We still got to do tactical, but we have to have different site.
Tim Winders:So, you know one thing that's cool about that.
Tim Winders:This is my observation I'll bring this up and then you could respond
Tim Winders:I My identity leading into 08 was I'm good at business, pretty bright.
Tim Winders:I mean, probably then I would have said I was really bright, high achiever,
Tim Winders:I might've called myself an ultra achiever, ultra high achiever too.
Tim Winders:And, you know, all of those things, and I had a lot of talents and
Tim Winders:skills and all that kind of stuff.
Tim Winders:Then I went through a surrender process, we'll call it, and what's
Tim Winders:interesting is I've observed the more I surrender, the techniques, the tactics,
Tim Winders:some of the things that I knew way back when, they still exist and they
Tim Winders:still work, but they work differently now that my heart is softening.
Tim Winders:And every once in a while, I'll try to slip back into, I mean, I'm at a stage
Tim Winders:now where I work three days a week.
Tim Winders:I don't schedule anything before noon.
Tim Winders:Well, I'm doing this at 11 AM, but nothing before 11 AM.
Tim Winders:I'm just trying to operate a different pace.
Tim Winders:And the more I do that, Christine, the more I noticed my heart softening, my
Tim Winders:results are going through the roof.
Tim Winders:Like they never did when I was doing.
Tim Winders:I mean, is that what you're seeing?
Tim Winders:I mean, what are you seeing?
Tim Winders:Cause you, you, you
Christine Jewell:All right.
Christine Jewell:I'm right there
Tim Winders:you and I probably, cause you did masterminds, you sound like
Tim Winders:you were a conference and mastermind.
Tim Winders:I don't want to say junkie, but some of us, we, we got involved with all
Tim Winders:that stuff and I loved it and some of that money I spent on all that stuff.
Tim Winders:I loved it, but what I found was I was really feeding those addictions
Tim Winders:to more that we talked about earlier.
Tim Winders:And I'm not against any of that, but I mean, I just needed to soften my heart.
Tim Winders:And now some of the results are just off the charts and
Tim Winders:I'm going, huh, interesting.
Tim Winders:What are you, what are your thoughts on that?
Christine Jewell:I love that you say that because I think that that is the
Christine Jewell:secret fear of, again, I work with a lot of men and women who are also leaders,
Christine Jewell:CEO and things that they like, they really, you guys are, you're saved.
Christine Jewell:You love Jesus, but the drive, the fuel behind is fear.
Christine Jewell:It's still everything world.
Christine Jewell:It's like the race against time.
Christine Jewell:I don't trust time.
Christine Jewell:I'm going to run out of time.
Christine Jewell:It's still like, Oh my gosh, the economy, like we're still having this
Christine Jewell:language about what's happening in the economy and what's happening externally.
Christine Jewell:And we forget like, okay, when the Lord told Pharaoh, I'm
Christine Jewell:going to bring 10 plagues.
Christine Jewell:Remember the Israelites?
Christine Jewell:They were like in the same place, but they were on touch, right?
Christine Jewell:The Hebrews, like the, the things of the external.
Christine Jewell:Did not fall on them because they were protected, right?
Christine Jewell:They were the God's people.
Christine Jewell:So we can be in the midst of all of this worldly stuff and we operate.
Christine Jewell:We operate by a different playbook.
Christine Jewell:We operate by different rules to the system, and so the world system is like,
Christine Jewell:you gotta get up top of the day, you gotta bust your butt, work 16 hours,
Christine Jewell:the more you do, the more you get.
Christine Jewell:If you actually study biblical principles, this is what we gotta get in the Word.
Christine Jewell:And I love how Jesus says, I am the way.
Christine Jewell:Not just the way to the father, the way to eternal life, but I take that
Christine Jewell:literally when he says, I'm the way.
Christine Jewell:I'm like, I'm gonna study his leadership.
Christine Jewell:I'm gonna study how he worked.
Christine Jewell:Was he in a rush?
Christine Jewell:Well, I never once heard that he was rushing even from place to place.
Christine Jewell:He sat down, he had fellowship, he rested.
Christine Jewell:He would have days of deep work and it would be from morning to night.
Christine Jewell:And then he would have days of going off by himself and be in solitude.
Christine Jewell:And then he would have a lot of time invested with his core.
Christine Jewell:You know, there was a 70, but then there was the 12 and then there was the three.
Christine Jewell:And he really was about relationship and he did not.
Christine Jewell:Think, well, this person is not worth my time because she's just
Christine Jewell:a woman at the well, and she's had five husbands and there's nothing
Christine Jewell:she can do to advance my kingdom.
Christine Jewell:But he stopped and he did what the father told him to do.
Christine Jewell:And he was not in a rush.
Christine Jewell:And I'm like, all right, he's the way.
Christine Jewell:So Jesus, if you did it that way, I'm doing it that way.
Christine Jewell:And I just remember there was a moment where I just said,
Christine Jewell:Lord, effective immediately.
Christine Jewell:Like I refuse to make decisions from pressure.
Christine Jewell:I refuse to operate from chaos.
Christine Jewell:So if I refuse to overschedule myself, because I know if
Christine Jewell:I'm, Operating from pressure.
Christine Jewell:It's not from him.
Christine Jewell:So I might get the result, but it's going to create more pressure in my life.
Christine Jewell:when I work with CEOs or business leaders and they're like feeling this
Christine Jewell:financial crunch and they're like, Christine, I gotta take the debt.
Christine Jewell:I gotta take the debt.
Christine Jewell:I gotta do the thing.
Christine Jewell:I gotta hire this person.
Christine Jewell:And it's so not biblical.
Christine Jewell:It's not scriptural.
Christine Jewell:And they're like, but I want to do this God's way.
Christine Jewell:And they're straddling two worlds and they're like doing
Christine Jewell:the splits in the Grand Canyon.
Christine Jewell:And they're going, why do I feel so torn apart?
Christine Jewell:Where's God?
Christine Jewell:And I'm like, he's waiting for you to stop being divided and decide
Christine Jewell:which camp you're going to be in.
Christine Jewell:So he can show up, right?
Christine Jewell:So faith is moving in the unseen, not the same, right?
Christine Jewell:So it's just in these moments.
Christine Jewell:Yeah, being able to just say, Lord, like, what is your way?
Christine Jewell:And it's going to be different than the world's way.
Christine Jewell:And that's why, you know, one of the prerequisites I tell people when
Christine Jewell:they work with me, I said, have you exhausted all other worldly options?
Christine Jewell:Are you ready to get to work in the spiritual and to do
Christine Jewell:things radically different than everyone else around you is?
Christine Jewell:And if you're like that's a real question.
Tim Winders:Yeah, Christine, you are so speaking my language and words you're
Tim Winders:using are so baked into all that we've been on in our journey for so long.
Tim Winders:The last word in the reading the subtitle of your book is unlocking
Tim Winders:extraordinary life and To me, this is scriptural, but I'm just going
Tim Winders:to kind of maybe use this as sort of my last question and maybe one more.
Tim Winders:You brought it up.
Tim Winders:You brought chaos up.
Tim Winders:You've used the word chaos, I think maybe two or three times.
Tim Winders:And to me, extraordinary life is the opposite of chaos, which is peace, which
Tim Winders:Jesus says, my peace, I bring to you.
Tim Winders:That's the kingdom of God.
Tim Winders:The kingdom of God operates the attitude and mindset of
Tim Winders:the kingdom of God is Peace.
Tim Winders:It's not anxiety.
Tim Winders:It's not deadlines.
Tim Winders:It's not hustle culture.
Tim Winders:It's not scheduling yourself to the nth degree.
Tim Winders:It's quiet time.
Tim Winders:It's listening.
Tim Winders:It's all these things, which is the opposite of the way some
Tim Winders:of us are wired to succeed.
Tim Winders:So we have to work hard at it.
Tim Winders:You've already talked about that.
Tim Winders:There's a lot of resources in the book, but what I'd love for
Tim Winders:you to talk about is the contrast in your life now versus before.
Tim Winders:and I'd love for you to do it using the words you've already used chaos and peace.
Tim Winders:I know you've got a lot going on.
Tim Winders:You've launched a book, you and Mark, y'all have a lot of stuff happening.
Tim Winders:However, I know.
Tim Winders:Y'all are not massively booked, I'm guessing, but just give whatever you
Tim Winders:want to talk about peace versus chaos.
Christine Jewell:Let's talk about that.
Christine Jewell:What was normalized in my life before?
Christine Jewell:And I always talk about, you know, again, what world will we operate by?
Christine Jewell:What world will we be ruled by and what will be normalized in our life?
Christine Jewell:What was normalized for me before?
Christine Jewell:And I think it's just normal.
Christine Jewell:And it's not normal according to God's design, but it's normal in the world was
Christine Jewell:to be riddled with anxiety almost all day long, very much living in the future.
Christine Jewell:You know, I'd wake up anxious.
Christine Jewell:Like I would wake up.
Christine Jewell:nervous system buzzing, needing to run and check the bank account, right?
Christine Jewell:Like how much money, how many sales hit overnight, but like waking up
Christine Jewell:with my nervous system, just like that unable to really sleep peacefully, you
Christine Jewell:know, just restlessness and my sleep.
Christine Jewell:Chaos inside of my home.
Christine Jewell:I mean, I grew up in a chaotic household.
Christine Jewell:There was a lot of drama.
Christine Jewell:There was a lot of chaos.
Christine Jewell:There was a lot of screaming and disrespect.
Christine Jewell:And you know, we just repeated it.
Christine Jewell:So the home was also chaotic.
Christine Jewell:And I remember Tim, I used to say, yeah, I just like to operate best under pressure.
Christine Jewell:I operate best with my backs against the wall and I have
Christine Jewell:organized chaos in my life.
Christine Jewell:Like I used to say this, but really that was A distortion, okay?
Christine Jewell:Because what I was always needing was to be in a pressure cooker in
Christine Jewell:order to be motivated or inspired to, you know, do something.
Christine Jewell:And so the feel was that, what was normal was very dysfunctional
Christine Jewell:relationships, to be honest.
Christine Jewell:Disconnection in my intimate relationships, misalignment, always
Christine Jewell:feeling Just like I wasn't doing enough and I want to say What's normal today
Christine Jewell:and I could just share this like a hundred percent is like, you know God
Christine Jewell:God has blessed me with an amazing man an amazing marriage that is completely
Christine Jewell:aligned and we are completely dedicated to the kingdom We actually just got
Christine Jewell:back from a month long holiday in Italy.
Christine Jewell:We were there for the whole month of July And it was beautiful
Christine Jewell:because we got to be fully present.
Christine Jewell:We got to be with each other.
Christine Jewell:God just brought some amazing people into our lives that he
Christine Jewell:wanted us to minister and pray for.
Christine Jewell:And it was just such a time of rejuvenation.
Christine Jewell:I've just finished a
Christine Jewell:book, which I, like somebody said, you wrote a great book.
Christine Jewell:I said, I had a great author, the coauthor, like I, I'm
Christine Jewell:operating in partnership.
Christine Jewell:And so.
Christine Jewell:Even everything from writing this book before the book, I thought I
Christine Jewell:was going to write when I was just all high performance coach and, you
Christine Jewell:know, holistic health facilities and stuff was very different from the book
Christine Jewell:that I wrote with the Holy Spirit.
Christine Jewell:So today I operate in partnership and, what is normal.
Christine Jewell:For me is really being rested through the nights waking up rested I sleep well and
Christine Jewell:people will say what time do you wake up?
Christine Jewell:You know, you're a high performance athlete Like what time do you wake
Christine Jewell:up and i'm like I wake up when i'm done sleeping, you know when my
Christine Jewell:body is rested And same as you I don't Take calls early in the day.
Christine Jewell:I'm really like protective over that time and space.
Christine Jewell:And so it's a totally different world.
Christine Jewell:Everything about my world is different.
Christine Jewell:And I just want to say this also right now, my husband and
Christine Jewell:I are in the process of merging.
Christine Jewell:Our two businesses into one and when we get things right like we start to get
Christine Jewell:things back in the right order God starts to multiply Things in our life that we
Christine Jewell:didn't even know were there to multiply, It's like new businesses are birth new
Christine Jewell:ideas new things and so i'm not saying it's all easy But there is a level of
Christine Jewell:peace that wasn't there before and i'm certainly you know, I have big dreams.
Christine Jewell:I have big visions.
Christine Jewell:I have god shaped visions, but I know i'm not alone this time, We
Christine Jewell:know if he gave us the vision, he's going to give the provision.
Tim Winders:That's exciting.
Tim Winders:Yeah.
Tim Winders:I mean, we live in a chaotic world.
Tim Winders:That's, you know, but we're, you know, our passports are stamped with
Tim Winders:the kingdom of God, but yet we're still sort of visiting this world.
Tim Winders:So there's chaos there.
Tim Winders:Christine, tell people where to go get the book.
Tim Winders:I think you've got some resources if they get it from you.
Tim Winders:I've got your website pulled up here.
Tim Winders:Tell us about the book, drop the armor.
Tim Winders:give us some info, even though we've been talking about it the whole time.
Christine Jewell:Yeah.
Christine Jewell:Drop the armor is, an amazing journey.
Christine Jewell:it's really broken down into the three parts to help you to really
Christine Jewell:release the past, ignite your faith, to like really deepen and strengthen
Christine Jewell:your faith and trust in that.
Christine Jewell:And then the third piece is to really step into your mission.
Christine Jewell:You're calling your identity and the season that God is calling you into.
Christine Jewell:So it is a playbook.
Christine Jewell:It's a journey, but there's, Questions on every chapter at the end of the
Christine Jewell:chapter that I think are really powerful.
Christine Jewell:There's exercises and tools.
Christine Jewell:So you can go to drop the armor book.
Christine Jewell:com that's drop the armor book.
Christine Jewell:com.
Christine Jewell:If you buy it, you can get it directly from us there as well.
Christine Jewell:And when you do, we automatically unlock 200 in bonuses.
Christine Jewell:There's a fillable PDF journal companion workbook that goes with it.
Christine Jewell:There's a, Masterclass that I did on upgraded battle strategies in times
Christine Jewell:of chaos, which we are in them now So really cultivating discernment in
Christine Jewell:times such as this and there's just a great bundle that goes with that.
Christine Jewell:So, You just really can't beat it, you know, for the 25 bucks or 30 bucks,
Christine Jewell:35, whatever the hardcover is, there's so much packed in there for you.
Tim Winders:Yeah, definitely.
Tim Winders:Make sure to check that out.
Tim Winders:We'll put the links down in all of our places so people can get to that.
Tim Winders:Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Tim Winders:It was a great read for me.
Tim Winders:I enjoyed learning more about you and Mark listening to the
Tim Winders:podcast over at breaking change.
Tim Winders:So Christine, we are seek, go create those three words.
Tim Winders:If I were to force or allow you to choose one word over the other two.
Tim Winders:Which one would you choose and why?
Tim Winders:That's my last question.
Christine Jewell:I think, just the word seek is really just, you know,
Christine Jewell:it's hitting me because we hear it all the time, but it's so true.
Christine Jewell:Like what we are seeking is seeking us, what we are seeking is available to us.
Christine Jewell:And we think we need to go out and get it.
Christine Jewell:But I think that the seeking is really about just being there.
Christine Jewell:opening my eyes to see what's already here, right?
Christine Jewell:And seeking from the right posture, the right place.
Christine Jewell:Because when I do that, it's like, boom.
Christine Jewell:Then I get the ping, the directive to go, to move.
Christine Jewell:And then the creation becomes way more fun because it's a partnership, you
Christine Jewell:know, we're creating with the creator.
Christine Jewell:So it's just like the seeking is, is so, so true, you know, and
Christine Jewell:seek to understand, seek to double check the posture of your heart.
Christine Jewell:Right.
Christine Jewell:Really just seek clarity, seek wisdom, seek insight, seek the
Christine Jewell:things of the kingdom and all things will be added unto you, right?
Tim Winders:The Lord reminded me this morning that He gave
Tim Winders:me those words in that order.
Tim Winders:Me, specifically for a reason.
Tim Winders:That when I seek, then I will know more where to go and what to create.
Tim Winders:So, Christine Jewell, thank you so much.
Tim Winders:Chai.
Tim Winders:Chai.
Tim Winders:I knew I would enjoy this conversation.
Tim Winders:I enjoyed it more than I thought I would enjoy it.
Tim Winders:Make sure, let me hold up a copy of the book here.
Tim Winders:drop the armor.
Tim Winders:Cool.
Tim Winders:You, do you have a, do you really have a sword and a sword
Christine Jewell:I really have that sword.
Christine Jewell:It's hanging in my office.
Tim Winders:that might scare
Christine Jewell:my husband and I both have the
Christine Jewell:sword.
Tim Winders:might intimidate me.
Tim Winders:So thank you for, thank you for being a guest.
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