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Garrett Salpeter is the founder and CEO of NeuFit, a company at the intersection of neurology and fitness that’s redefining how people recover from injury, build strength, and optimise performance. With a background in neuroscience and engineering, Garrett developed the Neubie, a patented direct current stimulation device that helps re-educate the nervous system for faster healing and more efficient training. He’s worked with thousands of patients and elite athletes — from NFL and NBA players to Olympic medalists — and is passionate about empowering people to tap into their body’s potential. Garrett also hosts The NeuFit Undercurrent Podcast, where he explores the cutting edge of human performance and recovery with leaders across health, fitness, and science.
> During our discussion, you’ll discover:
(00:09:58) Nervous system 101
(00:15:28) The differences between the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems
(00:21:05) The “master reset”
(00:22:54) What is the Neubie
(00:32:17) Does Garrett use different sensory inputs alongside Neubie
(00:37:52) Is there any way DC therapy can support stem cell proliferation
(00:42:21) Non native EMFs such as WiFi
(00:45:57) What is the Neubie method
(00:55:05) How does the DC current have this effect on the body
(00:58:10) How can Neubie support people with neurodegenerative issues
(01:09:59) How can the Neubie be used in a supportive context for injury recovery, pain management etc
(01:16:06) Integrating functional floor movements into the Neubie protocols
(01:18:36) Traditional strength training vs rotational training
(01:23:37) Can the neubie positively affect the fascia
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Transcripts
Welcome to the VP Life Podcast, the show
Speaker:where we bring you actionable health
Speaker:advice from leading minds.
Speaker:I'm your host, Rob.
Speaker:My guest today is Garret Saltpeter, an
Speaker:engineer, neuroscientist,
Speaker:and the founder of Newford.
Speaker:Garret is best known as the inventor of
Speaker:the newbie, an FDA-cleared device
Speaker:designed to improve movement, recovery,
Speaker:pain, and performance by directly
Speaker:targeting the nervous system.
Speaker:During today's conversation, expect to
Speaker:learn how dysfunctional nervous system
Speaker:signaling drives pain, weakness, and
Speaker:movement dysfunction,
Speaker:why direct current stimulation works
Speaker:fundamentally differently to traditional
Speaker:TENS and other AC-based devices, and how
Speaker:the Newford method, mapping, resetting,
Speaker:and retraining the nervous system, is
Speaker:used in rehab, elite sport, and
Speaker:neurological conditions.
Speaker:And now, on to the
Speaker:conversation with Garret Saltpeter.
Speaker:So to everyone listening, well, hello.
Speaker:This is the first of the VP Life Podcast,
Speaker:as we've got two guests on today.
Speaker:Garret Saltpeter, the owner of Newford
Speaker:and the inventor of the newbie, which
Speaker:we'll be getting into shortly.
Speaker:We're also joined by a return guest and
Speaker:now a newbie practitioner, Harry Warro.
Speaker:I'll try and say that three times faster,
Speaker:who's going to be my meringue and going
Speaker:into today's episode.
Speaker:Before we dig into everything newford
Speaker:though, and newbie, I reckon intros are a
Speaker:great place to start.
Speaker:Garret, we have time aplenty, so would
Speaker:you mind running us through your
Speaker:backstory and how you went from being, I
Speaker:think, an electrical
Speaker:engineer for not much mistaken,
Speaker:and well, then into this whole field of
Speaker:neuroscience and then into the inventor
Speaker:of what is arguably not to bust you up
Speaker:completely, one of the greatest tools in
Speaker:physical and neurological rehabilitation
Speaker:currently on market.
Speaker:Well, thank you for that.
Speaker:So I feel very fortunate to have found a
Speaker:way to sort of combine all of my
Speaker:interests and passion
Speaker:and academic background.
Speaker:As you mentioned, I do have some academic
Speaker:background in engineering, master's
Speaker:degree in engineering.
Speaker:I also was a physics major in college.
Speaker:I did additional graduate school in
Speaker:neuroscience as I got more and more
Speaker:interested in this field.
Speaker:And there was a really interesting
Speaker:catalyst for me, which
Speaker:was an experience I had.
Speaker:I also was an athlete.
Speaker:I got really passionate like Harry about
Speaker:fitness and athletic performance.
Speaker:And for me, it was really as a vehicle to
Speaker:try to be the best athlete I could be.
Speaker:So for me, my sport was ice hockey and I
Speaker:had injuries along the way as well.
Speaker:And I had a lot of experiences with
Speaker:traditional physical therapy, traditional
Speaker:orthopedic medicine.
Speaker:And it was very disappointing,
Speaker:disenfranchising, dare
Speaker:I even say dehumanizing.
Speaker:I mean, it was really, it's just, you
Speaker:know, they were telling me to rely on
Speaker:this brace, this anti-inflammatory, just
Speaker:sort of masking the symptoms or working
Speaker:around, not really getting at anything
Speaker:close to what I perceived to be the root
Speaker:cause of why the injury happened in the
Speaker:first place or why it was taking so long
Speaker:to recover or any of that sort of thing.
Speaker:And I didn't have the, didn't have the
Speaker:words for it at the time, but I just felt
Speaker:that, you know, at one point I thought
Speaker:about going pre-med and based on those
Speaker:experiences, I just, I
Speaker:just knew that wasn't for me.
Speaker:And then I had this experience where I
Speaker:was, I was playing
Speaker:hockey, had a torn ligament.
Speaker:I was told I was going
Speaker:to need to have surgery.
Speaker:And I met a doctor who was doing
Speaker:functional neurology.
Speaker:And this was my first real exposure to
Speaker:the importance of the nervous system, the
Speaker:role of the nervous system in healing,
Speaker:and also my first
Speaker:exposure to direct current.
Speaker:So it was like an older analog device
Speaker:with a bunch of dials at the time, more
Speaker:like a microcurrent type of thing.
Speaker:But I, I went through treatments focused
Speaker:on the neurological response to injury
Speaker:and using older
Speaker:versions of direct current.
Speaker:And that literally
Speaker:helped me heal my ligaments,
Speaker:avoid surgery.
Speaker:And I was relieved.
Speaker:I was excited as a hockey player to be
Speaker:back out there sooner, but as a
Speaker:pre-engineering student, as someone who
Speaker:was really looking at this scientifically
Speaker:from first principles, I was just, just,
Speaker:you know, it's like it's
Speaker:mind blowing eureka moment.
Speaker:And going through that, I really felt a
Speaker:calling within me to share this work.
Speaker:It just resonated with me at such a deep
Speaker:level that I felt this calling to share
Speaker:that work with as many people as I could.
Speaker:And that, that really sent me on this
Speaker:journey, which led me to initially open a
Speaker:clinic and, you know, get, get the 10,000
Speaker:hours of work over seven or eight years
Speaker:using older versions of electrical
Speaker:stimulation technology, do the additional
Speaker:work in neuroscience, you know,
Speaker:academically, education wise.
Speaker:And then I finally got to the point
Speaker:where, you know, about seven or eight
Speaker:years into that journey, where I was sort
Speaker:of waiting for someone else to come out
Speaker:with something that would, you know, I
Speaker:could use it to maybe open more clinics
Speaker:and just, you know, keep
Speaker:doing this type of work.
Speaker:I finally got to the point where I was
Speaker:like, you know what, I just, I just feel
Speaker:like I have to do it myself.
Speaker:I didn't did not set out initially to,
Speaker:you know, start a medical device business
Speaker:or develop a product.
Speaker:But it, it just felt like, you know, sort
Speaker:of the necessary next
Speaker:right step along the way.
Speaker:And now that's been another seven or
Speaker:eight years that we've
Speaker:had the product out now.
Speaker:And it's been, you know, really wonderful
Speaker:to see it grow in the US.
Speaker:And then now in, in the UK and other
Speaker:regions of the world.
Speaker:Yeah, no, it's
Speaker:definitely picking up steam.
Speaker:I think I initially first heard about you
Speaker:on Ben Greenfield's podcast years back.
Speaker:And I've just been, yeah, my medical
Speaker:history side, that's a story for another
Speaker:day, I've been sort of
Speaker:itching to get on one for years.
Speaker:And then, but anyway, yeah, your, your
Speaker:background as a
Speaker:engineer, I find fascinating.
Speaker:I'm sure you're familiar with Dr.
Speaker:Thomas Seager, the guy who invented,
Speaker:well, he's, I suppose the guy who
Speaker:invented the, the ice bath release,
Speaker:initially commercialized that he owns a
Speaker:company called Morosco Forge.
Speaker:He's an engineer too.
Speaker:And it's just fascinating to see how many
Speaker:engineers are sort of finding their way,
Speaker:whether they have a sort of a formal
Speaker:background in biology
Speaker:or not into this field.
Speaker:It's like you said, it's this first
Speaker:principles way of thinking, which I just
Speaker:think really lends engineers to being
Speaker:able to successfully, yeah, support what
Speaker:is happening in this sort of, in this
Speaker:world of functional
Speaker:medicine, just very broadly speaking.
Speaker:The physics is amazing too.
Speaker:I must admit, I'm way
Speaker:too dumb to study physics.
Speaker:I did biochemistry,
Speaker:neurophysiology, and that was it.
Speaker:That was enough for me.
Speaker:But anyway, right.
Speaker:That counts.
Speaker:Don't worry.
Speaker:That definitely counts.
Speaker:All right, sweet.
Speaker:Okay, right.
Speaker:Before we dive into it, I reckon we might
Speaker:as well get an intro for Harry too.
Speaker:Harry's a biomechanic specialist.
Speaker:For those in audience who maybe are not
Speaker:familiar with him, we did an episode a
Speaker:few months back, which
Speaker:we'll link to in the show notes.
Speaker:It was a great intro to Harry's world
Speaker:and, and how one can look into physical
Speaker:rehabilitation from maybe a more of an
Speaker:alternative viewpoint, just sort of
Speaker:bypassing the standard physio sort of
Speaker:approach that we're all indoctrinated
Speaker:into believing is the one-stop shop.
Speaker:But yeah, Harry, a quick intro from you
Speaker:would be amazing, mate.
Speaker:Just who you are, what
Speaker:you do, all that good stuff.
Speaker:Yeah, happy to.
Speaker:So I like you two
Speaker:really, really clever people.
Speaker:I don't believe I'm as intelligent, but I
Speaker:do believe myself as an engineer, but
Speaker:more of from a body point of view.
Speaker:So we're looking at moving the body.
Speaker:What's that?
Speaker:A squishy top, squishy engineer.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:So looking at the human body as a
Speaker:structure and trying to optimize how to
Speaker:build it up again, if there is a
Speaker:dysfunction or an injury, and looking
Speaker:more at the body as one and treating it
Speaker:as a unit rather than,
Speaker:you know, in isolation.
Speaker:You know, so what I do, I look at the
Speaker:body as a structure and see where there
Speaker:may be a dysfunction and how that is
Speaker:affecting how the body moves through, you
Speaker:know, the gait cycle, which is
Speaker:essentially just, you know, walking.
Speaker:And, and yeah, I'm definitely bringing
Speaker:more from outside the box ideas in terms
Speaker:of movements and how maybe sometimes a
Speaker:lot of people come to me and they find
Speaker:that the standard approach of, of
Speaker:treatment is not working
Speaker:as well as they'd like to.
Speaker:And then they come to me and they find
Speaker:that, you know, I'm looking at the body
Speaker:from more of a systemic point of view.
Speaker:So not just the muscular system, but how,
Speaker:you know, how the cardiovascular system,
Speaker:the respiratory system is actually
Speaker:involved in lots of the processes of, you
Speaker:know, of movement and how
Speaker:that can affect posture.
Speaker:And of course, if posture affects
Speaker:function, function
Speaker:can affect performance.
Speaker:So I look at, I look at the body from a
Speaker:whole, you know, a whole view rather than
Speaker:just one holistic area.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, but yeah, at the same time, I'm
Speaker:extremely passionate
Speaker:about helping people.
Speaker:And there's not one fit,
Speaker:you know, fits all in a way.
Speaker:Once does fits all, it's very much
Speaker:dealing with, you know, person at a time,
Speaker:because we know, as you know, go, you
Speaker:know, you're dealing with a human and
Speaker:they come with emotions.
Speaker:They come with different kinds of
Speaker:traumatic experiences.
Speaker:Maybe the injury wasn't
Speaker:just football or ice hockey.
Speaker:It might have been just falling over in
Speaker:the house, you know.
Speaker:So there's a lot of things that we need
Speaker:to take into account when,
Speaker:when looking at injuries.
Speaker:Very excited to, of course, come at my
Speaker:approach of more of a software approach
Speaker:now, which of course we're going to speak
Speaker:about today, which is exciting.
Speaker:But, you know, dealing with the software
Speaker:now, as well as the hardware approach is
Speaker:going to probably give my, my future
Speaker:clients and clients right now, you know,
Speaker:some really, really great
Speaker:progress and great results.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Thank you very much.
Speaker:Thanks for that, gentlemen.
Speaker:Before we get into the newbie, I think it
Speaker:would be great if we could lay a basic
Speaker:foundation of knowledge, as I know this
Speaker:conversation might
Speaker:get a little technical.
Speaker:Hopefully we can keep it as high level as
Speaker:possible, but I reckon you're
Speaker:the guide to R-Scare, Garak.
Speaker:So would you mind giving us a quick sort
Speaker:of, I suppose, one-on-one in sort of
Speaker:nervous system physiology, how the
Speaker:nervous system operates and functions?
Speaker:And yeah, and then we
Speaker:can take it from there.
Speaker:I think that's a great place to start.
Speaker:And also, you know, circling back, you
Speaker:both have mentioned,
Speaker:you know, engineering.
Speaker:Harry, I like you describing yourself as
Speaker:an engineer of the body.
Speaker:You know, I think
Speaker:engineering really is problem solving.
Speaker:It started with how do we get water from
Speaker:up here to down there, right?
Speaker:Build an aqueduct, build this pathway.
Speaker:How do we, how do we solve problems given
Speaker:certain constraints?
Speaker:And so you have to understand what the
Speaker:constraints are, what the system is or
Speaker:the context is in which you're working.
Speaker:And the nervous system is a big part of
Speaker:the context of a human being.
Speaker:You know, like Harry said, human beings
Speaker:have emotions and they respond to
Speaker:different stimuli in different ways.
Speaker:And that response to stimulus happens
Speaker:within the nervous system.
Speaker:And I think the first point as we jump
Speaker:off into this topic to understand is that
Speaker:when we're talking about pain and injury,
Speaker:like I talked about how
Speaker:I had a torn ligament,
Speaker:you know, people listening to this may
Speaker:have experiences with sprained ankles or
Speaker:herniated discs or rotator cuff injuries,
Speaker:like these issues that are structural,
Speaker:that are, you know, quote unquote
Speaker:hardware of the body.
Speaker:And I think one of the big breakthroughs
Speaker:and the reason we're talking about the
Speaker:nervous system, just to really establish
Speaker:the high level, the reason we're talking
Speaker:about the nervous system is that so much
Speaker:of the reason why it takes a long time to
Speaker:recover or why people get locked in a
Speaker:cycle of chronic pain, even after the
Speaker:injury has healed or why we can't do the
Speaker:things that we wish to do, oftentimes the
Speaker:issue is in the software, in the nervous
Speaker:system, in the underlying system that's
Speaker:sending the signals to the muscles that
Speaker:influences the overall healing process
Speaker:and the ability of the body to deliver
Speaker:nutrients to an
Speaker:injured area to help it heal.
Speaker:So there's that sort of that relationship
Speaker:in that context, I
Speaker:think, is worth understanding.
Speaker:And then, you know, overall, when we talk
Speaker:about the nervous system, it's probably
Speaker:worth defining what we mean by that.
Speaker:So, you know, I think collectively we can
Speaker:talk about the brain and the spinal cord,
Speaker:which would be classically considered the
Speaker:central nervous system, and then the
Speaker:nerves that leave the spinal cord and go
Speaker:out to the visceral organs, to the arms,
Speaker:to the legs, you know, that would be
Speaker:called the peripheral
Speaker:nervous system, but all of that.
Speaker:And it's an electrical signal, really an
Speaker:electrochemical system that monitors
Speaker:everything going on in the internal and
Speaker:external environment and then creates
Speaker:actions and responses based on that.
Speaker:So it really is the
Speaker:control system of the body.
Speaker:And I like that hardware and software
Speaker:distinction where, you know, I think
Speaker:everyone knows the hardware, right?
Speaker:Our bones, muscles, tendons, ligaments,
Speaker:the connective tissues,
Speaker:then our organs, right?
Speaker:The liver, stomach, intestines, heart,
Speaker:lungs, those are all the hardware.
Speaker:And then the software is what controls
Speaker:it, just the same as if you have your
Speaker:computer, you know, your computer has a
Speaker:screen, it has a processor, it has
Speaker:memory, and then the software is what
Speaker:actually sends the electrons in there and
Speaker:calls from memory certain things into the
Speaker:processor and creates images on the
Speaker:screen and all that.
Speaker:So the software, the operating system of
Speaker:the computer is what makes it run.
Speaker:You could have the hardware sitting
Speaker:there, but without an operating system,
Speaker:it's just going to be, you know, a piece
Speaker:of metal sitting there.
Speaker:Well, just like us, if we don't have our
Speaker:operating system, our nervous system,
Speaker:we're just going to be a, you know, a
Speaker:piece of flesh, a puddle of flesh on the
Speaker:floor sitting there.
Speaker:So it's really the
Speaker:operating system there.
Speaker:And it's so relevant for how we heal, how
Speaker:we recover, how we move.
Speaker:It controls our organs.
Speaker:So it's relevant for, you know, our heart
Speaker:rate and respiration, which Harry was
Speaker:talking about already, relevant to how we
Speaker:digest food and eliminate waste, you
Speaker:know, controls reproductive function, the
Speaker:release of hormones, our stress response.
Speaker:I think everyone listening to this likely
Speaker:knows how, you know, chronic disease, you
Speaker:know, so much of the issues, the health
Speaker:issues that we have as a society are
Speaker:really influenced by excessive amounts of
Speaker:stress, chronic stress, and
Speaker:poor ability to handle stress.
Speaker:So it's all neurological, really.
Speaker:Yeah, it is indeed.
Speaker:And I just love the fact
Speaker:that you bore up stress.
Speaker:I mean, it's not a sexy
Speaker:subject to talk about.
Speaker:But ultimately,
Speaker:it is, I mean, beyond the basic, what you
Speaker:shovered on your throat is arguably one
Speaker:of the biggest sort of driving factors of
Speaker:what is driving sort of chronic disease.
Speaker:I mean, I've sort of been in this
Speaker:functional medicine space
Speaker:for a number of years now.
Speaker:And you work with practitioners and
Speaker:everyone sort of got their,
Speaker:fundamentally has their approach.
Speaker:Some will go gut first, have a very gut
Speaker:centric approach, as I'm sure you know,
Speaker:others will start to sort of do a lot of
Speaker:testing and look at hormones first, etc.
Speaker:But ultimately,
Speaker:it all comes back down to the
Speaker:bioenergetics of the cell.
Speaker:And that is fundamentally governed by the
Speaker:nervous system at the end of the day.
Speaker:Garrett, thank you.
Speaker:That was a great answer.
Speaker:Before we carry on, would you mind also
Speaker:just sort of breaking down the
Speaker:differences between the parasympathetic
Speaker:and the sympathetic nervous system, those
Speaker:being the two major branches of course.
Speaker:Again, I just think for the listeners,
Speaker:having a fairly sort of decent grasp of
Speaker:that will allow them to sort of
Speaker:understand some of the terminology and
Speaker:concepts that we'll be
Speaker:talking about in a minute.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And you mentioned the
Speaker:Roscoe Forge cold plunge.
Speaker:And that's a good
Speaker:context to look at this.
Speaker:Because when someone is using that and
Speaker:steps into that cold water, you know,
Speaker:it's around 32 Fahrenheit or around zero
Speaker:Celsius, you know, it's really literally
Speaker:right around freezing, there's going to
Speaker:be some ice floating in
Speaker:that it's really cold.
Speaker:And in response to that, the second that
Speaker:our skin sensors, the nervous system
Speaker:receptors perceive that cold, they think,
Speaker:holy shit, we might freeze
Speaker:to death, pardon my language.
Speaker:But there, so there is a stress response.
Speaker:And that's the sympathetic nervous
Speaker:system, it doesn't have anything to do
Speaker:anything to do with sympathy, that's the
Speaker:sympathetic sometimes
Speaker:called fight or flight.
Speaker:And so that is this alarm response, this
Speaker:that oh shit moment, something's
Speaker:happening, we need to
Speaker:mount some sort of response.
Speaker:So there's a stress or in this case, cold
Speaker:temperature, then there's a stress
Speaker:response, which is what
Speaker:happens inside the body.
Speaker:And in that case, there's the release of
Speaker:hormones like adrenaline or epinephrine,
Speaker:you know, same hormone, different names.
Speaker:And then changes in, for example, what
Speaker:the nervous system controls in the the
Speaker:vasculature of the blood vessels, right,
Speaker:it constricts and
Speaker:dilates, you know, controls that.
Speaker:So it's going to constrict the blood
Speaker:vessels in the limbs, it's going to it's
Speaker:going to cause us to send blood away from
Speaker:the arms and the legs in towards the core
Speaker:of the body trying to preserve heat and
Speaker:warmth in the visceral
Speaker:organs as a survival mechanism.
Speaker:So that is part of the sympathetic
Speaker:nervous system stress response.
Speaker:In that example, there's other times
Speaker:where, you know, sometimes it's just,
Speaker:gosh, I look at my calendar today, and
Speaker:I've got meeting after meeting, and I've
Speaker:emails to respond to.
Speaker:And that creates a stress response, even
Speaker:though I don't physically need the same
Speaker:sort of, you know, adrenaline as if I and
Speaker:movement capacity as if I was going to
Speaker:run for my life or face a
Speaker:physical life or death challenge.
Speaker:You know, our biology, our bodies, our
Speaker:operating systems, don't really know the
Speaker:difference, because they use the same
Speaker:mechanism for use the same mechanism for,
Speaker:Oh, my gosh, I have a work deadline and
Speaker:26 unread emails that I need to get to
Speaker:today, the same mechanism for that as
Speaker:they do for, Oh, my gosh, I need to run
Speaker:for my life, because
Speaker:there's a bear chasing me.
Speaker:So all of that is the
Speaker:sympathetic response.
Speaker:And then ideally, whenever we meet a
Speaker:stress or challenge, we come back down,
Speaker:the adrenaline flows back to baseline
Speaker:over a reasonable time course, not
Speaker:staying elevated for too long.
Speaker:And then we go into a more
Speaker:parasympathetic dominant state, which is
Speaker:sometimes called rest and digest, because
Speaker:it has to do with, of course, being in a
Speaker:more restful state, digesting food, so we
Speaker:can rebuild, sometimes
Speaker:called feed and breed.
Speaker:Feeding, of course, is, you know, is
Speaker:eating and digesting absorbing nutrients.
Speaker:Again, breeding is because it, that's
Speaker:where we can invest energy and longer
Speaker:term growth and repair processes and
Speaker:reproductive system, right?
Speaker:So feed and breed.
Speaker:And then also sleep, you know, is, is
Speaker:kind of the ultimate
Speaker:parasympathetic state there.
Speaker:So there's, you know, those
Speaker:are the two, the two branches.
Speaker:And balancing that is really vitally
Speaker:important for health, for longevity, for
Speaker:sleep, for performance, for, you know,
Speaker:reducing the risk of chronic disease, all
Speaker:those, all those things.
Speaker:It's really vital.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:Well, I learned something there.
Speaker:How are you got any
Speaker:questions there, mate?
Speaker:No, yeah, I mean, of course, got a
Speaker:wonderful description of
Speaker:the two nervous systems.
Speaker:But I think it's interesting to use the
Speaker:master reset that, you know, of course,
Speaker:helps people go more into the
Speaker:parasympathetic nervous system state.
Speaker:And when I'm dealing with clients that
Speaker:are coming in with chronic pain, or acute
Speaker:pain, you're finding those people that
Speaker:are, you know, they're in a stress state,
Speaker:and they can't get out of it
Speaker:because of the pain levels.
Speaker:And it's wonderful to have, you know,
Speaker:there's many approaches you can take to
Speaker:getting somebody into a parasympathetic
Speaker:nervous system state.
Speaker:But, you know, one being the newbie of
Speaker:the master reset of being able to use
Speaker:that to help stimulate that to then allow
Speaker:them the next step to be going into some,
Speaker:you know, some, some drills, some
Speaker:correctives, some exercises, but they
Speaker:might not have responded as well to those
Speaker:exercises if they just came straight in.
Speaker:And you just, you know, placed up that
Speaker:kind of stress on them.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:you know, the parasympathetic nervous
Speaker:system state is just something that I
Speaker:think more people need to realize that
Speaker:they need to, they need to move in,
Speaker:rather than how we traditionally look at
Speaker:exercise is very, we need to work 100%
Speaker:every single day, we need to, you know,
Speaker:push our bodies to the max, but
Speaker:realistically, from a longevity point of
Speaker:view, us humans are a
Speaker:species of longevity.
Speaker:So we need to realize that, that that
Speaker:parasympathetic nervous system state we
Speaker:need, we must, we must be in that, even
Speaker:when we start to move our bodies, we need
Speaker:to make sure that we are in control and
Speaker:we can breathe and, and, and yeah,
Speaker:probably babbling, babbling
Speaker:on a little bit, but 100%.
Speaker:In
Speaker:terms of that, you mentioned, Harry, the
Speaker:master reset there, just for context, if
Speaker:you're listening to this
Speaker:and think, Oh, what is that?
Speaker:So that's a, that's a technique or a
Speaker:protocol that we have at Newfit that is
Speaker:essentially our version of a
Speaker:parasympathetic nervous system
Speaker:stimulation technique or a vagus nerve.
Speaker:If you may have heard of the Vegas, not
Speaker:like Las Vegas, but VAGUS, the Vegas
Speaker:nerve is the primary nerve pathway by
Speaker:which the parasympathetic
Speaker:nervous system acts on the body.
Speaker:And it influences, it signals from and to
Speaker:the, a lot of the visceral organs, it's
Speaker:relevant and heart rate variability,
Speaker:which, you know, we could
Speaker:dive into more if we want to.
Speaker:Yeah, we'd love to.
Speaker:And so that's our, that's our, that's our
Speaker:technique for, for doing that.
Speaker:And it's essentially, you know, like,
Speaker:like, like Harry said, if we're trying to
Speaker:go, go, go all the time and we're stuck
Speaker:in that sympathetic dominant state, being
Speaker:able to have a tool that can help us get,
Speaker:and there are many tools, you know,
Speaker:things like techniques like meditation,
Speaker:like, you know, deep breathing, like
Speaker:there's all different things that can,
Speaker:you know, going for a walk in nature can
Speaker:help us shift more
Speaker:towards the parasympathetic.
Speaker:And this is one that just significantly
Speaker:repeatedly, you know, consistently gets
Speaker:people into that more
Speaker:parasympathetic state too.
Speaker:So it's another tool, a powerful tool
Speaker:there to have in that toolbox.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:And I think
Speaker:what rarely beats meditation is that it
Speaker:sort of, well, it
Speaker:bypasses that, how do I say it?
Speaker:It bypasses that not the impedance, yeah,
Speaker:I suppose that's potentially a word of
Speaker:the individual, you're directly
Speaker:regulating the nervous system, opposed to
Speaker:trying to get the individual in question,
Speaker:perhaps, to try and regulate their own
Speaker:nervous system, which when you throw
Speaker:emotion into the picture, obviously gets
Speaker:pretty can get pretty difficult anyway.
Speaker:Anyway,
Speaker:I think it would be a pretty decent time
Speaker:to introduce the what the newbie is.
Speaker:I know we sort of glanced over it a few
Speaker:times now, but can you introduce the what
Speaker:this contraption that you've designed
Speaker:fundamentally is, and then, yeah, how it
Speaker:operates, and we can
Speaker:then take it from there.
Speaker:The newbie is an acronym for neuro bio
Speaker:electric, and it's the the product for
Speaker:which we're best known.
Speaker:And, you know, it's interesting, people
Speaker:see wires and electrodes on the skin, and
Speaker:they think, Oh, it's another TENS unit or
Speaker:something like that.
Speaker:But it's, it's a
Speaker:different type of current.
Speaker:So it is using electricity, but it's
Speaker:using direct current instead of
Speaker:alternating current.
Speaker:And there's some really interesting
Speaker:history there, there's several benefits
Speaker:of direct current,
Speaker:which we can talk about.
Speaker:And those benefits have
Speaker:been known for decades.
Speaker:But there was always this problem where
Speaker:you couldn't get high enough, you know,
Speaker:therapeutic levels of direct current into
Speaker:the body without
Speaker:stinging and burning the skin.
Speaker:And so the Soviets did some of this, you
Speaker:know, back in the 1960s, when they were
Speaker:trying to assert dominance.
Speaker:And in sport, you know, they were trying
Speaker:to show that their communist system was
Speaker:superior, because they were able to
Speaker:create, you know, produce the best
Speaker:athletes and win Olympic gold medals.
Speaker:And they they we have a lot of so many
Speaker:things like periodization and
Speaker:plyometrics, so many things that we
Speaker:talked about in sports science today came
Speaker:out of that Soviet era.
Speaker:So there's, you know,
Speaker:really, really good stuff there.
Speaker:So they did some of this preliminary
Speaker:work, and they would literally, you know,
Speaker:have burn marks on their athletes when
Speaker:they were doing some of these experiments
Speaker:with direct current.
Speaker:Of course, that didn't
Speaker:work here in the West.
Speaker:So direct, so direct current essentially
Speaker:fell out of favor for decades.
Speaker:And in its place, you know, filling that
Speaker:void or that vacuum came all of the
Speaker:alternating current modalities like the
Speaker:10s units, what we call quote unquote,
Speaker:Russian STEM, even
Speaker:though the Russians used both.
Speaker:But you know, traditional NMEs, FES,
Speaker:interferential, these types of
Speaker:electricity, electric stimulation
Speaker:treatments that people
Speaker:may be familiar with.
Speaker:So all these all these, you know, came
Speaker:came to be because the alternating
Speaker:current as that signal goes back and
Speaker:forth, it eliminates charge buildup,
Speaker:because with direct current, you had
Speaker:these benefits, but you had a problem
Speaker:where eventually all the negative ions
Speaker:would accumulate around the positive
Speaker:electrode and vice versa.
Speaker:And when those charges accumulate, they
Speaker:create resistance, which blocks the flow
Speaker:of current and causes it to be dissipated
Speaker:as heat leading to the burning.
Speaker:So you know, some of the
Speaker:underlying physiology there.
Speaker:So we found a way, I'll get to the
Speaker:benefits and why that matters
Speaker:momentarily, but we essentially found a
Speaker:way in engineering breakthrough to be
Speaker:able to get direct current into the body
Speaker:while reducing that charge buildup, so
Speaker:that we don't have the
Speaker:stinging and burning.
Speaker:So we get the benefits of direct current,
Speaker:which again, I promise I'll get to with
Speaker:the benefits of direct current with the
Speaker:with the comfort of alternating current.
Speaker:Okay, so why does that matter?
Speaker:Well, with direct current, there's a
Speaker:there's a few differences in how it
Speaker:responds, how the body responds and how
Speaker:it influences the body
Speaker:when it's applied here.
Speaker:So first, to understand, direct current
Speaker:is basically creating an electric field
Speaker:going in one direction.
Speaker:So people listening, you can't see if you
Speaker:can't, if you're watching, you can see,
Speaker:I'm basically holding my hands in an
Speaker:angle making a ramp.
Speaker:So if I had a if I had a ball at the top
Speaker:of a hill, it's going to roll down the
Speaker:hill under the influence of gravity.
Speaker:And so how steep that hill is, is
Speaker:essentially how strong an electric field
Speaker:is, where if there's a positive charge at
Speaker:the top of that hill, it's going to roll
Speaker:down towards the negative direction of
Speaker:electric field, the more voltage there
Speaker:is, the steeper it is, and
Speaker:the faster it's going to roll.
Speaker:And then how fast it rolls is essentially
Speaker:the amount of current.
Speaker:So a little bit of electricity 101 there.
Speaker:So is it building up an
Speaker:electrical gradient then?
Speaker:Is that correct?
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker:That is, we even use the same
Speaker:terminology, the gradient of an electric
Speaker:field is the same as a grade, like
Speaker:similar word or same word as a gradient
Speaker:of a of a hill, how steep the hill is.
Speaker:So, so the the difference then between
Speaker:direct current and alternating current is
Speaker:that with direct current, that gradient,
Speaker:that slope, that hill is always pointing
Speaker:in the same direction.
Speaker:Whereas with alternating current, it
Speaker:oscillates back and forth, positive,
Speaker:negative, positive,
Speaker:negative, positive, negative.
Speaker:And so what happens
Speaker:there is a couple things.
Speaker:One is, as if you apply that to the body,
Speaker:where there's a high enough power level,
Speaker:great enough amount of power, it will
Speaker:cause muscles to co contract and fight
Speaker:against each other, because you're
Speaker:signaling this positive,
Speaker:negative, positive, negative.
Speaker:So you get agonist,
Speaker:antagonist co contraction.
Speaker:So it's like bicep and tricep fighting
Speaker:against each other, hamstring and quad,
Speaker:fighting against each other.
Speaker:And so it's sort of like, if you were
Speaker:driving a car, and you were hitting the
Speaker:throttle and the brake pedal at the same
Speaker:time, you'd be wasting a lot of energy
Speaker:because you'd be resisting your own
Speaker:movement, creating a lot of undo, wear
Speaker:and tear, unnecessary wear and tear on
Speaker:the various parts of the body of the car,
Speaker:on the engine, on the axles, on the
Speaker:brakes, whatever it might be.
Speaker:And that eventually can lead to some
Speaker:breakdown and damage.
Speaker:And if you use direct current, you get
Speaker:that signal flowing in one direction
Speaker:only, you bypass virtually all of that co
Speaker:contraction, that internal resistance,
Speaker:you get a lot more efficient signaling,
Speaker:you can also get a lot more sensory and
Speaker:afferent input into the nervous system,
Speaker:because you're bypassing a lot of that,
Speaker:especially that protective co
Speaker:contraction, you get a lot more sensory
Speaker:input into the nervous system.
Speaker:Remember, we talked about how the nervous
Speaker:system senses everything about the
Speaker:environment, and also creates responses.
Speaker:So, so the more you can target and create
Speaker:specific sensory inputs where they're
Speaker:needed, the more you can influence the
Speaker:nervous system to work the processing in
Speaker:the brain and output into the other side
Speaker:of the nervous system, the
Speaker:more you can influence those.
Speaker:So it allows us to, to think more of the
Speaker:nervous system as an operating system
Speaker:like software and get more precise and
Speaker:specific in terms of programming that for
Speaker:more efficient mobility, stability,
Speaker:movement, speed, power, or just being
Speaker:able to move with less
Speaker:pain, all these things.
Speaker:So the precision there in terms of
Speaker:nervous system, you
Speaker:know, I'll say programming.
Speaker:And then there's also another category of
Speaker:benefit where the direct current allows
Speaker:us to, to apply these electric fields
Speaker:that can influence the body's own
Speaker:internal healing processes.
Speaker:So there is a little bit of
Speaker:an overlap with the hardware.
Speaker:So I don't know if you've read or heard
Speaker:of a book called the body
Speaker:electric by Robert Becker.
Speaker:So, so really fascinating book.
Speaker:I, I highly recommend the book.
Speaker:It's one of my favorites and I've read it
Speaker:several times and each time I do, I get
Speaker:just really inspired.
Speaker:So it's a book from, I believe the late
Speaker:1980s Robert Becker was an orthopedic
Speaker:surgeon and he did some of the research
Speaker:and then also wrote and popularized
Speaker:research that others had done.
Speaker:One of the things that he really wrote a
Speaker:lot about was the salamander because a
Speaker:salamander is the most complex
Speaker:animal that can regenerate entire limbs
Speaker:and significant segments of its body.
Speaker:And so if you look at, you know, we can
Speaker:dive more into this if we, if we want to,
Speaker:but the, the high level, the takeaway
Speaker:message of this is that the reason the
Speaker:salamander is able to do that is because
Speaker:of the electric fields that its own body
Speaker:creates that inform, that influence, that
Speaker:guide the healing and
Speaker:regenerative processes.
Speaker:And there's a distinct difference.
Speaker:Actually immediately after an injury, we
Speaker:as humans have a same, have the same
Speaker:electrical fields created in our own
Speaker:bodies naturally that guide the healing
Speaker:process, same as a salamander for the
Speaker:first seven days, but then ours just goes
Speaker:back to zero and we get scar tissue as
Speaker:the salamanders electric field flips,
Speaker:causes the
Speaker:regenerative processes to happen.
Speaker:And that's the big underlying difference
Speaker:in the salamanders biology
Speaker:and why they can regenerate.
Speaker:So, so, you know, I'm not saying we're
Speaker:using direct current, at least not yet to
Speaker:regenerate limbs, but we are seeing that
Speaker:by applying these direct current fields
Speaker:to the body, we're able to tap into some
Speaker:of that ability to influence and
Speaker:accelerate and improve the
Speaker:body's own healing processes.
Speaker:So there's these two
Speaker:main categories of benefits.
Speaker:One is that, you know, signal into the
Speaker:nervous system and then the other is the
Speaker:ability to use direct current, use the
Speaker:electric fields to help facilitate or
Speaker:assist or support the
Speaker:body's healing processes.
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:So many questions.
Speaker:Before I dive in,
Speaker:Harry, you got anything?
Speaker:Yeah, Garrett, what do you or have you
Speaker:experienced using different types of, you
Speaker:know, sensory inputs?
Speaker:So, you know, newbie being one of them,
Speaker:but have you found that
Speaker:you've used different inputs,
Speaker:visually, hearing visual,
Speaker:sorry, audio, or taste or smell?
Speaker:Have you used any of those types of
Speaker:inputs with clients and has that helped?
Speaker:So there's a few ways to,
Speaker:you know, conceptualize this.
Speaker:I mean, a lot of people may have the
Speaker:experience of or may hear that and think
Speaker:like, gosh, what are you talking about?
Speaker:This is over my head.
Speaker:But it's actually very simple.
Speaker:Like, think about listening to, you know,
Speaker:music to get pumped up.
Speaker:Like, that's an audio input.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:Causes you to have a
Speaker:physiological response, right?
Speaker:So this is very real, I think a lot
Speaker:easier to understand than
Speaker:one might initially think.
Speaker:So, and there's cool things you can do,
Speaker:like I've done, you know, experimentally,
Speaker:you know, had people smell.
Speaker:So you can actually, you can see
Speaker:patterns, you know, a couple cool
Speaker:examples, maybe a slight tangent, but you
Speaker:can see patterns in people sometimes
Speaker:where if you're trying to help someone
Speaker:with, you know, they come to see you
Speaker:because they have chronic pain, and the
Speaker:pain is all right side.
Speaker:It's like right elbow, right low back,
Speaker:right hip, right knee.
Speaker:It's like, huh, what's going on there?
Speaker:Well, one of the things that our brains
Speaker:do is, you know, the brain creates a
Speaker:signal of pain as a
Speaker:response to perceived threat.
Speaker:And it also will
Speaker:inhibit pain.
Speaker:And that works in a part of the brain
Speaker:called the PMRF, getting
Speaker:down closer to the brainstem,
Speaker:pons for ponto medullary reticular
Speaker:formation, PMRF, pons and medulla.
Speaker:So for the neuroscience nerds out there
Speaker:like me that care about that, but you
Speaker:don't need, not
Speaker:important to remember that.
Speaker:So, so the, the brain will will
Speaker:essentially inhibit pain,
Speaker:ipsilaterally, meaning
Speaker:on the same side as that.
Speaker:And so if one side if that if that
Speaker:particular brain structure is weaker on
Speaker:one side, because all you can infer that
Speaker:because you hypothesize that might be the
Speaker:case, because there's more pain on that
Speaker:one side, you can think, okay, this
Speaker:person has all right sided pain, perhaps
Speaker:it's there that PMRF, perhaps it's a
Speaker:deficit in the in the that lower part of
Speaker:the right side of their brain.
Speaker:And so maybe you could think you want to
Speaker:stimulate the left cortex, which is going
Speaker:to go across the lower right part of that
Speaker:brain, or you can do something that's
Speaker:going to stimulate directly that lower
Speaker:part of the right brain.
Speaker:And so you can start to think about like,
Speaker:I'd want to provide newbie stimulation
Speaker:and a certain side of the body,
Speaker:you actually, so for this, you would want
Speaker:to you'd want to stimulate on the left
Speaker:side to bring so, so let me just go back
Speaker:and correct something
Speaker:that I said a moment ago.
Speaker:So for this, we actually would not want
Speaker:to stimulate the opposite cortex, we want
Speaker:to stimulate the ipsilateral cortex.
Speaker:So, so we may actually want to stimulate
Speaker:more in a case like this, more, more of
Speaker:the left side of the body
Speaker:to get to get that sensory input to the
Speaker:right sensory cortex, which is going to
Speaker:going to stimulate the
Speaker:right side of the brain.
Speaker:So it's a little bit counterintuitive,
Speaker:because if that particular imbalance is
Speaker:an issue, and I'll bring this back to
Speaker:answer your question, I promise, because
Speaker:if that if that if that's an issue, then
Speaker:you know, a lot of times you'll work on
Speaker:the right side, because that's where the
Speaker:person has pain, but then you actually
Speaker:reinforce an imbalance where there's more
Speaker:activity in the left side of the brain.
Speaker:So doing things like, like sensory input
Speaker:in the in the left ear to get into the
Speaker:right brain, or, you know, covering for
Speaker:just a moment, you don't do it for too
Speaker:long covering the right eye to get more
Speaker:visual input into the left brain, you
Speaker:could do stuff like that.
Speaker:Smell is the only sense that goes to the
Speaker:same side of the brain
Speaker:instead of crosses to the opposite.
Speaker:So in this case, you'd smell
Speaker:something in the right nostril.
Speaker:So there's there's different examples
Speaker:like that, you know, you
Speaker:can you can provide input.
Speaker:And this is sort of the functional
Speaker:neurology approach approach where you'd
Speaker:want to provide certain inputs to
Speaker:preferentially bring up or down, you
Speaker:know, either a side of the brain or a
Speaker:certain part of the brain.
Speaker:And there's there's people who are real
Speaker:experts in this who
Speaker:can map out the pathways.
Speaker:And it's been a while since I've really
Speaker:studied in depth the functional
Speaker:neuroanatomy, but you can use very
Speaker:precise stimulus and inputs to precisely
Speaker:dial up or down certain parts of the
Speaker:brain and, and create really
Speaker:amazing results for people.
Speaker:And where stuff like that often comes in
Speaker:is, you know, post concussion symptoms,
Speaker:or, you know, brain injury, or I mean,
Speaker:stuff like that, where, where you really
Speaker:want to get precise, but it's relevant
Speaker:for performance, you know,
Speaker:performance for elite athletes.
Speaker:Also, it's just really amazing stuff.
Speaker:Here's is is some interesting.
Speaker:That's, that's why I love doing what I
Speaker:do, because it's not just do
Speaker:exercise and get this result.
Speaker:There's so many ways you can
Speaker:get somebody to to do something.
Speaker:And it's just fascinating how you can use
Speaker:those different types of
Speaker:inputs to get a result.
Speaker:And it's certainly something I'm looking
Speaker:more and more into to use it with my
Speaker:clients to, to speed up the progress.
Speaker:Definitely.
Speaker:Thanks for that, Harry.
Speaker:I'd love to just sort of jump back
Speaker:quickly and just talk about more of the
Speaker:it's from a healing standpoint, you sort
Speaker:of you touched on this idea that it's
Speaker:sort of able we going back to the
Speaker:salamander analogy
Speaker:quickly, if you don't mind.
Speaker:Do you think there's anything to be said
Speaker:about sort of broadly speaking, a DC
Speaker:therapy, maybe supporting stem cell, stem
Speaker:cell proliferation or stem
Speaker:cell output in that regard?
Speaker:Or is that a bit of a stretch?
Speaker:Do you think I'm
Speaker:really excited about this.
Speaker:I'm not prepared to make any claims that
Speaker:you know, that we're
Speaker:doing that right now.
Speaker:We do have some some research actually
Speaker:touch on real quickly at the beginning of
Speaker:of this year, we actually released
Speaker:published in the Journal of Diabetes
Speaker:Research, the first study, first study of
Speaker:its type, comparing in humans, head to
Speaker:head alternating
Speaker:current versus direct current.
Speaker:So so this particular study was on
Speaker:diabetic neuropathy
Speaker:patients in their 70s.
Speaker:When it's been written off that they
Speaker:could ever actually
Speaker:heal in any meaningful way.
Speaker:And it's more about just managing
Speaker:symptoms, reducing pain.
Speaker:And so half the group is 150 patients, 75
Speaker:of them got
Speaker:alternating current 10s units.
Speaker:And they did see some reductions in pain,
Speaker:which is good, but that was it.
Speaker:The other half, the other 75, who got the
Speaker:direct current of the newbie, not only
Speaker:did they see reductions in pain, but they
Speaker:saw improvements in sensation, increased
Speaker:functional abilities.
Speaker:And we saw increases in EMG, actual
Speaker:increases in the nerve, amount of nerve
Speaker:electricity being conducted.
Speaker:So we're actually seeing
Speaker:some nerve regeneration there.
Speaker:So there is some regenerative ability in
Speaker:humans, whether that's guided by stem
Speaker:cell proliferation or not, you know, we
Speaker:have to do the
Speaker:mechanistic studies to find out.
Speaker:But I do think that in the next, you
Speaker:know, gosh, I would have said 20 years,
Speaker:but now with the rate at which AI is
Speaker:accelerating medical understanding and
Speaker:breakthroughs, you know, maybe it's in
Speaker:the next five or 10, I think we'll be
Speaker:able to use electric fields, technologies
Speaker:like this to guide salamander like
Speaker:regenerative abilities in humans.
Speaker:I'm very bullish on that idea.
Speaker:I've been fascinated by that for 15 years
Speaker:since I read the Body Electric.
Speaker:And every time I reread it, I just feel
Speaker:like we're getting
Speaker:closer and closer and closer.
Speaker:It's, you know, science fiction is going
Speaker:to become science fact.
Speaker:And I do so.
Speaker:So tying back to your question, Rob,
Speaker:there is a connection between stem cells
Speaker:and these electric fields and in
Speaker:salamanders, which is
Speaker:written about by Dr.
Speaker:Becker in that book, The Body Electric,
Speaker:he outlines the process, the mechanism of
Speaker:how it actually works that these electric
Speaker:fields and salamanders guide their
Speaker:amazing regenerative abilities.
Speaker:And it's fascinating what the electric
Speaker:fields do is they actually cause cells to
Speaker:de-differentiate back into stem cells.
Speaker:So if you have a stem
Speaker:cell, it's like a blank canvas.
Speaker:It could become a liver cell, a kidney
Speaker:cell, a muscle cell, a bone
Speaker:cell, a brain cell, right?
Speaker:Stem cell could become any of those.
Speaker:But what the electric fields do is they
Speaker:actually cause, and in this case, I
Speaker:believe it was mostly red blood cells.
Speaker:It would cause cells to de-differentiate
Speaker:after they've differentiated into another
Speaker:cell type to go back to being stem cells
Speaker:so that they could then be a part of this
Speaker:regenerative process becoming whatever
Speaker:tissue they need to be to build that new
Speaker:limb or that new part of the tail or
Speaker:whatever the body segment.
Speaker:And then the electric field guided that
Speaker:stem cell into position and signaled it
Speaker:to become whatever it needed to be.
Speaker:So there is a strong
Speaker:connection, Rob, to your point.
Speaker:It's a great, great, great point.
Speaker:There's a strong connection between
Speaker:electric fields and the ability to
Speaker:perhaps even create, but at least
Speaker:influence, direct, and inform
Speaker:what a stem cell would become.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:And I think this whole sort of field of
Speaker:what's, I suppose, this emerging field of
Speaker:electric medicine is just fascinating.
Speaker:I'll be honest, it's
Speaker:completely beyond me.
Speaker:I'm still trying to figure out how to
Speaker:sort of properly interpret an
Speaker:Oats test for the most part.
Speaker:But yeah, no, it's just, it's incredible.
Speaker:It just speaks really to the sort of the
Speaker:innate sort of regenerative capacity of
Speaker:the human body and this ability to find
Speaker:homeostasis when the
Speaker:conditions are right, ultimately.
Speaker:I mean, this could go into a broader
Speaker:discussion potentially
Speaker:about things like EMF and Wi-Fi.
Speaker:Actually, what the heck?
Speaker:Let's ask the loaded question.
Speaker:What do you think about
Speaker:these non-native EMF fields like 5G, EMF,
Speaker:Wi-Fi, things that are going to sort of
Speaker:interfere with calcium gated voltage
Speaker:channels, sort of upset calcium
Speaker:regulation within cells, etc.
Speaker:Do you, I mean, obviously, with your
Speaker:background, and I suppose what is
Speaker:essentially electrophysiology, do you
Speaker:think that these fields are a cause to
Speaker:concern very broadly
Speaker:speaking, or is it a bit overblown?
Speaker:There's part of me that's on
Speaker:each side of this fence here.
Speaker:So we're talking about Robert Becker.
Speaker:So he actually, at the end of the book,
Speaker:The Body Electric, he talks about the
Speaker:perils of electro pollution.
Speaker:And he writes a whole
Speaker:second book on the topic.
Speaker:And he's very concerned,
Speaker:you know, for the reasons that you
Speaker:described and alluded to, because of how
Speaker:the electric fields, in the innate
Speaker:electric fields that can be very subtle
Speaker:in our bodies, control so many internal
Speaker:processes, and how they can be hijacked
Speaker:and interfered with by non-native
Speaker:external artificial EMFs.
Speaker:So there's definitely, it's definitely
Speaker:real, it's worth talking about.
Speaker:So the people who say, "Oh, they don't do
Speaker:anything because of the frequency or the
Speaker:power levels or stuff like
Speaker:that," that's just not true.
Speaker:There is clear mechanisms by which they
Speaker:can interact with the body.
Speaker:But then at the same time, there's
Speaker:another part of me that looks at it like,
Speaker:"Okay, there's this ambient stressor that
Speaker:is going to be here.
Speaker:So I want to make myself
Speaker:as resilient as possible."
Speaker:But at the same time, I would not want to
Speaker:live right underneath a cell phone tower.
Speaker:And I just, last week was out and off the
Speaker:grid for a few days doing a
Speaker:camping and kayaking trip.
Speaker:So I'm very jealous.
Speaker:I don't know if it was just because of
Speaker:the absence of EMFs or just, I mean,
Speaker:there's more time in nature there with
Speaker:friends, change of pace, but I don't know
Speaker:what degree of that was being away from
Speaker:EMFs, but I definitely felt better and
Speaker:had good heart rate variability in my
Speaker:whoop and all that stuff too.
Speaker:So I don't know, it's
Speaker:definitely an area for concern.
Speaker:I haven't dove in lately into the
Speaker:literature on that, but I am curious.
Speaker:So I may do a little bit of research as
Speaker:soon as we hang out this call, actually
Speaker:start looking, see if I can pull up.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:Yeah, no, I think where
Speaker:there's smoke, there's fire.
Speaker:And I do fundamentally agree with you.
Speaker:I think, well, it's interesting to note
Speaker:that people who are already sort of
Speaker:compromised in terms of their health are
Speaker:more likely to be sort of electrically
Speaker:sensitive than those who maybe are in a
Speaker:good state of health to begin with.
Speaker:And I think that speaks potentially to
Speaker:the way that there is sodium
Speaker:potassium pump is operating.
Speaker:You know what, this is going
Speaker:to get very deep very quickly.
Speaker:Let's bypass that.
Speaker:Garrett, I'd love to sort of segue into
Speaker:talking about the new
Speaker:fit method a little more.
Speaker:I know we've already touched on it,
Speaker:courtesy of Harry's question earlier.
Speaker:And this obviously takes this sort of
Speaker:whole method sort of takes into account
Speaker:that maybe the listener has access to a
Speaker:newbie to begin with.
Speaker:But I think it's important to sort of
Speaker:help people to
Speaker:understand how the process works.
Speaker:I know, yeah, I know Harry, again,
Speaker:Harry's obviously been through this with
Speaker:me, he's he's given me
Speaker:a few sponge baths now.
Speaker:But but yeah, would you mind sort of,
Speaker:sort of running us through what the
Speaker:newbie method is just fundamentally and
Speaker:some of the basic protocols there to sort
Speaker:of an elaboration of what you
Speaker:touched on earlier with Harry.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So the the new fit method is our overall
Speaker:approach for being able to find where the
Speaker:nervous system is going to be delaying or
Speaker:impeding the healing
Speaker:process or limiting performance.
Speaker:And one interesting tidbit on that is
Speaker:that it often is doing that for a reason,
Speaker:you know, we don't just wake up one day
Speaker:and our brains say, Oh, I want to spend
Speaker:extra energy, you know, keeping that part
Speaker:of my body tight, just, you know, just
Speaker:burning extra calories
Speaker:for no reason, right?
Speaker:It's doing it for a reason,
Speaker:it's doing it to protect us.
Speaker:And so sometimes I can feel like the
Speaker:nervous system is working against us.
Speaker:But really, it has, it
Speaker:has noble intentions.
Speaker:So, so I think it's important to have
Speaker:that perspective going into it.
Speaker:And what we're trying to do then is
Speaker:figure out how we can get the nervous
Speaker:system really to to work, you know, work
Speaker:with us rather than
Speaker:against us, so to speak.
Speaker:And when we're talking about pain and
Speaker:injury, you know, people are most
Speaker:commonly first interacting with with new
Speaker:fit in the context of either they had a
Speaker:recent injury or surgery they're trying
Speaker:to recover from, or they've had chronic
Speaker:pain, something that's been around for a
Speaker:while, you know, chronic back pain,
Speaker:chronic knee pain
Speaker:they're trying to work on.
Speaker:And so one of the biggest things that we
Speaker:want to do, first of all, is figure out,
Speaker:okay, what, if it's chronic pain, what
Speaker:what isn't working properly, that's,
Speaker:that's allowing them to have this
Speaker:vulnerability in the injured joint in the
Speaker:first place, or what's going on with the
Speaker:autonomic nervous system that's keeping
Speaker:them locked in that cycle of perceived
Speaker:threat and pain, right, there can be, you
Speaker:know, that gets back into stress and
Speaker:things that we talked about,
Speaker:you know, many minutes ago.
Speaker:So there's there's parts there.
Speaker:So one of the things that we really like
Speaker:to do first is this mapping process where
Speaker:we'll take an electrode
Speaker:and scan around on the body.
Speaker:And the cool thing about that is that
Speaker:we're actually because of these effects
Speaker:of direct current that we talked about
Speaker:earlier, we're actually
Speaker:introducing load onto those tissues.
Speaker:So if I, you know, if you're just
Speaker:listening, you don't see this, but if
Speaker:you're watching, you see like, I'm
Speaker:dragging a pad over my bicep, and then
Speaker:the front deltoid, and
Speaker:then my PEC minor PEC major.
Speaker:So when I stimulate those areas, I'm
Speaker:actually sending the same signals as if
Speaker:there's load or
Speaker:challenge happening there.
Speaker:And what we're trying to do, remember, we
Speaker:talked about the nervous system, there's
Speaker:the sensing of the environment, and
Speaker:there's the reaction to it.
Speaker:So what we're trying to do is basically
Speaker:see where things are working well, and
Speaker:where there's some sort
Speaker:of deficit or limitation.
Speaker:Because if we stimulate, if we challenge
Speaker:an area that's working well, it can
Speaker:contract and work through its full range
Speaker:of motion and stretch and relax and
Speaker:notice how to do all those things.
Speaker:If we stimulate that area, you know, that
Speaker:person's brain and nervous system is
Speaker:going to see that signal and say, "Oh,
Speaker:that's no big deal."
Speaker:You know, if we're doing this to Harry,
Speaker:you know, Harry's brain is going to say,
Speaker:"Oh, yeah, there's no big deal.
Speaker:That's within our current
Speaker:capacity, no cause for alarm."
Speaker:But if we then stimulate an area where he
Speaker:hasn't been moving that recently, he's
Speaker:been avoiding it, and
Speaker:it's something new, right?
Speaker:That novel stimulation is
Speaker:threatening to the nervous system.
Speaker:That brain is going to, his brain is
Speaker:going to say, "Whoa,
Speaker:whoa, whoa, that's new.
Speaker:That's different.
Speaker:Sound the alarm."
Speaker:Or if we stimulate an area where he's
Speaker:actively guarding or inhibiting that
Speaker:because of a recent injury or bad habits
Speaker:developed over time, we stimulate one of
Speaker:those, his brain is going to say, "Whoa,
Speaker:whoa, alarm, alarm."
Speaker:You know, they're attacking us in a
Speaker:vulnerable place where
Speaker:we're trying to protect.
Speaker:And so we're basically
Speaker:trying to find those areas.
Speaker:And then once we find them, we stimulate
Speaker:them as the individual or as Harry or
Speaker:whoever it is, goes through movement
Speaker:patterns where they're compensating
Speaker:because we want to basically teach them
Speaker:to start reincorporating those areas
Speaker:where there's deficits, reincorporating
Speaker:those back into the various movement
Speaker:patterns to improve function.
Speaker:And it is interesting, like I talked
Speaker:about how the nervous system
Speaker:is doing this for a reason.
Speaker:After an injury, the nervous system goes
Speaker:into this protect mode where it's trying
Speaker:to limit movement there, thinking like,
Speaker:"Oh my gosh, we could get attacked again
Speaker:or we could get hurt
Speaker:again at any moment."
Speaker:And that ends up being productive if
Speaker:there is a threat, but if we're trying to
Speaker:heal and it can actually stand in the way
Speaker:because like tension, for example, could
Speaker:reduce blood flow and impair the body's
Speaker:ability to send nutrients
Speaker:and raw materials there.
Speaker:So what we're trying to do is, in that is
Speaker:sort of restore natural baseline...
Speaker:Homeostasis. ...movement and signal.
Speaker:Yeah, homeostasis from a nervous system
Speaker:function perspective, for sure.
Speaker:And then that's working
Speaker:locally on these areas.
Speaker:Then we also like to do things globally.
Speaker:We've already talked about the master
Speaker:reset, which is sort of a global
Speaker:parasympathetic rest and digest nervous
Speaker:system activation technique.
Speaker:That's super valuable.
Speaker:And then we also like to do things like
Speaker:the electric glove where
Speaker:we can do manual therapy.
Speaker:A lot of the physiotherapists out there
Speaker:and other clinicians like to do manual
Speaker:therapy where you're introducing pressure
Speaker:onto certain areas of the body.
Speaker:And people used to talk about how, "Oh,
Speaker:I'm breaking up scar tissue with my
Speaker:hands," or stuff like that.
Speaker:And we now know
Speaker:that's just not happening.
Speaker:I mean, unless you have like an ice pick
Speaker:and you're not breaking up scar tissue,
Speaker:what you're doing is creating
Speaker:neurological input to help the body
Speaker:facilitate the change in tone or the
Speaker:relaxation release of tissues in that
Speaker:area and increasing blood flow and
Speaker:different things like that.
Speaker:So it really ultimately is interacting
Speaker:and interaction with the nervous system.
Speaker:And so we can do that.
Speaker:We can actually hook the direct current
Speaker:signal up to a glove or just run it
Speaker:through your hands, but send it literally
Speaker:through the tips of one's fingers.
Speaker:And you can help accelerate those
Speaker:neurological effects of
Speaker:manual therapy with that too.
Speaker:So there's a lot of
Speaker:different ways to use it.
Speaker:And then once we get through the initial
Speaker:stages of working through pain, injury,
Speaker:and dysfunction, then we can use it for
Speaker:muscle hypertrophy, for example, to build
Speaker:muscle or to work on
Speaker:precise movement patterns.
Speaker:You can work on contracting different
Speaker:frequencies that contract one side of the
Speaker:joint as you use another frequency on the
Speaker:other side of the joint to lengthen.
Speaker:So you can create more range of motion
Speaker:and motor control and
Speaker:strength and muscle building.
Speaker:You can use it like
Speaker:digital weight to amplify.
Speaker:If you think about
Speaker:just one final point here.
Speaker:So we've gotten from pain and injury and
Speaker:early stages of recovery now to exercise
Speaker:fitness or performance or
Speaker:for athletes return to play.
Speaker:If we're talking about
Speaker:strength, what is strength?
Speaker:Well, really, I would say
Speaker:it's a neurological skill.
Speaker:And that's really informed by, you listen
Speaker:to this, may have heard of Pavel
Speaker:Satsulin, the Russian guy who came over
Speaker:to America and had a lot of this
Speaker:Russian-based education on the importance
Speaker:of the nervous system
Speaker:for creating strength.
Speaker:So he was one of the first
Speaker:to introduce me to this idea.
Speaker:And it's really, really fascinating.
Speaker:But the idea that strength really is a
Speaker:neurological skill, and that leads to
Speaker:techniques that he teaches like greasing
Speaker:the groove and really these wonderful,
Speaker:wonderful things that are
Speaker:just really, really good.
Speaker:But the take-home message is that
Speaker:strength is the ability to contract more
Speaker:motor units at any one
Speaker:given moment in time.
Speaker:And so you can actually use...
Speaker:That's the reason we lift weight.
Speaker:If I'm just curling my arm with no weight
Speaker:at all, it might take 20% of my muscle
Speaker:fibers and motor units.
Speaker:But when I add weight, that feedback
Speaker:forces me to contract
Speaker:maybe 30%, 40%, 50%.
Speaker:You can also then put the pads of the
Speaker:newbie on there at certain frequencies to
Speaker:get that same 30% or 40% or 50%
Speaker:recruitment, but without
Speaker:having to touch a weight.
Speaker:So it can make it safer, less risk of
Speaker:injury or re-injury.
Speaker:You can use it like digital weight for
Speaker:strength or building muscle too.
Speaker:So there's all these
Speaker:different ways to use it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's incredible.
Speaker:I'm going to sort of break my oath and
Speaker:ask one sort of technical question.
Speaker:That being, what mechanistically is
Speaker:happening when the newbie
Speaker:finds a hotspot specifically?
Speaker:I mean, like I said, during
Speaker:my initial session with Harry,
Speaker:we went over my QLs for the audience.
Speaker:Those are hustles in your lower back.
Speaker:My left one lit up like a Christmas tree
Speaker:and it was a proper hotspot.
Speaker:And then the right one was fine.
Speaker:But fundamentally, can you sort of
Speaker:elucidate as to what is sort of
Speaker:physiologically or biochemically
Speaker:happening to create that response when
Speaker:that DC current is
Speaker:thrown into the equation?
Speaker:So there's some things that we know and
Speaker:some things that we have yet to learn.
Speaker:I do intend to learn more about what's
Speaker:actually happening at a cellular
Speaker:biochemical level, things like that.
Speaker:What we do know neurologically is that
Speaker:pain is a signal created by the brain in
Speaker:a response to perceived threat.
Speaker:It's the brain's way of saying, "Hey,
Speaker:don't load that area.
Speaker:Don't do that."
Speaker:It's a signal to change your behavior, to
Speaker:do or stop doing something.
Speaker:So it's a signal
Speaker:actively created by the brain.
Speaker:And in this case, when Harry was mapping
Speaker:you, Rob, your lower back, he went over a
Speaker:side that was working well and your brain
Speaker:saw that and said
Speaker:again, no cause for alarm.
Speaker:But when he stimulated the other side
Speaker:where there was an issue,
Speaker:he was stimulating that.
Speaker:And for some reason, that load, that
Speaker:signal, that challenge on that tissue was
Speaker:going into a vulnerable area to where
Speaker:your brain saw that and said, "Whoa,
Speaker:whoa, whoa, alarm, alarm.
Speaker:This is threatening."
Speaker:And so in response to that perceived
Speaker:threat, it created that output signal of
Speaker:pain, which was your brain's way of
Speaker:saying, "Hey, Rob, stop doing that.
Speaker:Stop loading these muscles.
Speaker:There's a problem here."
Speaker:And so what that led Harry to do was to
Speaker:ramp up, to start stimulating those
Speaker:muscles and teach the brain to begin to
Speaker:process that differently, to down
Speaker:regulate that perception of threat, which
Speaker:is another way of saying, allow you to
Speaker:start using those muscles again.
Speaker:Stop protecting, stop limiting, stop
Speaker:imposing those patterns that are limiting
Speaker:output in that area.
Speaker:It takes time.
Speaker:It's sort of like recalibrating.
Speaker:And if there's actual damage there,
Speaker:it'll take longer because what you're
Speaker:doing is really presenting that
Speaker:information and allowing the brain to
Speaker:decide if it is, they
Speaker:sort of test out the water.
Speaker:Does it want to allow a little more,
Speaker:allow a little more?
Speaker:And if it's not safe, it won't.
Speaker:If it is, then it will.
Speaker:So you're accelerating that process of
Speaker:reeducating, recalibrating, relearning
Speaker:function in that area.
Speaker:Got you.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:That was perfect.
Speaker:Like I said, technical
Speaker:and just a long shot.
Speaker:But yeah, thank you for that.
Speaker:That really does help.
Speaker:Garrett, I reckon it's a pretty, it would
Speaker:be a great time to maybe start talking
Speaker:about some specific
Speaker:use cases for the newbie.
Speaker:Now, there are obviously literally dozens
Speaker:here, but what I'd really sort of like to
Speaker:focus on, I suppose, the neurological or
Speaker:the neurodegenerative side of things,
Speaker:then really Harry's Wheelhouse, which
Speaker:were the corrective postural pain side of
Speaker:it, and then maybe
Speaker:something of a selfish ask.
Speaker:I'd love to discuss the areas in which
Speaker:newbie is being used in a, what's
Speaker:fundamentally my area of academic
Speaker:research, which is in the CFS sort of
Speaker:community, the chronic
Speaker:fatigue, long COVID, etc.
Speaker:To start off with, though, I'd love to
Speaker:jump more into a discussion around how
Speaker:the newbie can support people's
Speaker:neurodegenerative issues, things like MS,
Speaker:multiple sclerosis, etc.
Speaker:I know, of course, you've
Speaker:done some work with Terry Walls.
Speaker:You had a great podcast with her, I think
Speaker:it was a few years ago
Speaker:now, but it was amazing.
Speaker:And for those in the audience
Speaker:who aren't familiar with Dr.
Speaker:Walls,
Speaker:she's a medical doctor, she
Speaker:developed multiple sclerosis.
Speaker:She was wheelchair wound at one point, I
Speaker:believe, and then through the lifestyle
Speaker:and dietary intervention side of things,
Speaker:she was able to greatly reverse a large
Speaker:number of symptoms
Speaker:that she was experiencing.
Speaker:Now, I mean, aside from, no, let me let
Speaker:you all ask the question,
Speaker:I'll ask you the question.
Speaker:What do you think is happening
Speaker:in these conditions?
Speaker:Obviously, in multiple sclerosis, there's
Speaker:this demyelination of nerves, or there's
Speaker:this sort of loss of
Speaker:insulation around nerves.
Speaker:How is the newbie helping with a
Speaker:condition like this or broadly speaking
Speaker:condition, these sorts
Speaker:of conditions in general?
Speaker:I doubt it's helping
Speaker:to remyelinate nerves.
Speaker:Is it just, again, from a case of it
Speaker:helping to modulate that
Speaker:sympathetic tone, fine balance?
Speaker:Or do you have a feeling as how it's
Speaker:helping people with
Speaker:these sorts of problems?
Speaker:So there's a few parts to this.
Speaker:I'm glad you mentioned Dr.
Speaker:Walls.
Speaker:For people listening, by
Speaker:the way, it's Terry Walls.
Speaker:It's spelled W-A-H-L-S.
Speaker:And she's a fabulous practitioner.
Speaker:She has a book called The Walls Protocol,
Speaker:which would be my first recommendation
Speaker:for anyone who gets a diagnosis of MS or
Speaker:any similar autoimmune condition.
Speaker:So in terms of how we work with MS
Speaker:patients, there's a few
Speaker:parts of this to consider.
Speaker:First, we want to introduce the concept
Speaker:of neuroplasticity, which is the way that
Speaker:we adapt and respond and
Speaker:learn based on the inputs.
Speaker:And so there's a couple
Speaker:ways to conceptualize this.
Speaker:One is to think about neuroplasticity is
Speaker:the window is most open or the process is
Speaker:most active in childhood.
Speaker:And so children who grow up in the UK or
Speaker:the US are going to hear primarily the
Speaker:English language spoken, perhaps with a
Speaker:slightly different accent.
Speaker:I know you think I have an accent.
Speaker:You should try the Northeast of England.
Speaker:It's horrendous.
Speaker:I don't think people
Speaker:actually speak English here.
Speaker:It's just like Geordie.
Speaker:What the hell is that?
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Try being from South London
Speaker:and living in the Northeast.
Speaker:That's even different.
Speaker:Try being from South London
Speaker:and living in the Northeast.
Speaker:Yeah, you tried me on that one.
Speaker:So children who grow up in these regions
Speaker:tend to develop that accent.
Speaker:They hear the people around them and they
Speaker:sort of adapt to that.
Speaker:Whereas a child who grows up in South
Speaker:America hearing Spanish or Portuguese or
Speaker:a child who grows up in China hearing
Speaker:Mandarin, they're going to adapt that
Speaker:environment to the sound, the stimulus
Speaker:that they're receiving.
Speaker:And they're going to hear and understand
Speaker:the intonations and be able to learn to
Speaker:speak those types of
Speaker:sounds and styles, etc.
Speaker:Neuroplasticity is basically how we
Speaker:adapt, how we learn.
Speaker:If we're reading a textbook in school,
Speaker:neuroplasticity is how the structure of
Speaker:our brain changes to
Speaker:consolidate those memories.
Speaker:And depending on how interested we are
Speaker:and how focused we are when we're reading
Speaker:it, we'll have a much greater or lesser
Speaker:response to learn it or how motivated we
Speaker:are by grades or whatever it might be.
Speaker:So neuroplasticity is important here.
Speaker:And it's also interesting to understand
Speaker:for any of us, regardless of even in the
Speaker:absence of something like MS, there's
Speaker:this use it or lose it phenomenon that is
Speaker:very important to understand.
Speaker:Our bodies want to conserve energy
Speaker:because there might be a famine tomorrow.
Speaker:We evolved over tens or hundreds of
Speaker:thousands of years where early humans had
Speaker:issues getting adequate food supply.
Speaker:They didn't live in an era of abundance
Speaker:like we have today, at
Speaker:least in most of the world.
Speaker:Not all, but our wiring is
Speaker:to want to conserve energy.
Speaker:And so it takes a lot of energy to build
Speaker:and maintain new muscle.
Speaker:It takes a lot of energy to build and
Speaker:maintain new nerve pathways to activate
Speaker:those sodium and potassium channels and
Speaker:send electrical signals.
Speaker:It takes quite a bit of energy.
Speaker:And so with MS, especially,
Speaker:this becomes more pronounced.
Speaker:And there's also a dark side of
Speaker:neuroplasticity where when one has a
Speaker:neurodegenerative condition, it starts to
Speaker:become more difficult to move the limbs,
Speaker:to ambulate, to do certain activities.
Speaker:And because it becomes more difficult,
Speaker:they often can fall into the trap of
Speaker:being less and less active.
Speaker:And that accelerates the downward spiral,
Speaker:the dark side of neuroplasticity called
Speaker:learned disuse, where sometimes the
Speaker:nervous system adapts to just down
Speaker:regulating certain pathways.
Speaker:And so for patients who have MS and
Speaker:related conditions, it's important to do
Speaker:some amount of physiotherapy just to
Speaker:maintain wherever they are, let alone try
Speaker:to build back and regain
Speaker:function that's been lost.
Speaker:So it's important to get some input, some
Speaker:stimulus just to maintain that and
Speaker:prevent the further decline,
Speaker:so further downward spiral.
Speaker:So there's the context there that we just
Speaker:have to take very seriously.
Speaker:And so a big part of the idea with
Speaker:neuroplasticity is that we need stimulus
Speaker:and input in order to drive adaptation,
Speaker:change, any sort of learning, et cetera.
Speaker:And that stimulus generally is, we're
Speaker:talking about the neuromuscular system,
Speaker:musculoskeletal system,
Speaker:that stimulus is movement.
Speaker:And what we can do with technology like
Speaker:the newbie is create a lot more input so
Speaker:that if they're doing one movement of a
Speaker:corrective exercise, it could be the
Speaker:equivalent input of doing, you know, five
Speaker:or 10 repetitions in the
Speaker:time they're doing one.
Speaker:So you can amplify the effects and get
Speaker:more stimulus and more input to drive
Speaker:neuroplastic change faster and more
Speaker:significantly than you would with just
Speaker:traditional exercise approaches.
Speaker:And that's one piece of it.
Speaker:You know, the other piece of it is that
Speaker:you have to drive, you have to create
Speaker:enough input so that there's a reason for
Speaker:the body to make a change, to make these
Speaker:longer term neuroplastic adaptations.
Speaker:But then you also have to have enough
Speaker:nutrition and sleep and handling stress
Speaker:and modulating
Speaker:inflammation appropriately.
Speaker:So there's enough resources because, you
Speaker:know, the body, first and foremost, needs
Speaker:resources just to
Speaker:survive, to live through the day.
Speaker:And then there has to be some sort of
Speaker:surplus of energy and resources to
Speaker:rebuild and repair and restore function
Speaker:that has been lost to tap into the power
Speaker:of neuroplasticity and cause healing and
Speaker:regeneration or support
Speaker:healing and regeneration.
Speaker:So there's two parts to it.
Speaker:There's the stimulus that you do, you
Speaker:know, in the physio
Speaker:clinic or in Harry's gym.
Speaker:And then there's the sleep and the
Speaker:nutrition and all the things
Speaker:that have to go into it there.
Speaker:And both are, you can't
Speaker:have one without the other.
Speaker:So they're both important.
Speaker:But that's where the new fit piece comes
Speaker:in is providing that stimulus and input
Speaker:to accelerate, to, I'll say, maximize the
Speaker:opportunity for neuroplasticity from a
Speaker:stimulus perspective, make it easier to
Speaker:reach that threshold to
Speaker:drive neuroplasticity.
Speaker:But then the other stuff has
Speaker:to happen outside of there.
Speaker:And so, you know, outside of
Speaker:the gym or the physio clinic.
Speaker:And then the master reset, things like
Speaker:that can certainly help as well, because
Speaker:of the the autonomic effects.
Speaker:You know, we're talking about something
Speaker:where there's an autoimmune condition,
Speaker:there's sort of a runaway response.
Speaker:Yeah, runaway response
Speaker:in the immune system.
Speaker:And so that there's a there's a direct
Speaker:negative feedback loop between the vagus
Speaker:nerve and the immune system, the thymus
Speaker:and the spleen and the parasympathetic
Speaker:system can help calm down that runaway
Speaker:excess inflammation,
Speaker:immune activity as well.
Speaker:Yeah, drop those levels of
Speaker:catecholamines, corticosteroid,
Speaker:corticosteroid, cortisol, etc.
Speaker:Definitely.
Speaker:Do you I mean, just to speculate, just to
Speaker:speculate, glucocorticoids, or
Speaker:corticosteroids,
Speaker:sorry, my mistake, platelet.
Speaker:Just to speculate again, do you think
Speaker:there's any chance that there's sort of
Speaker:any neurogenesis happening there?
Speaker:I mean, it sort of jumps on from what
Speaker:we'll talk about earlier.
Speaker:But would you speculate that anything is
Speaker:happening there from this
Speaker:perspective of the newbie?
Speaker:Or is that a bit of a long shot?
Speaker:Based on what we saw in the neuropathy
Speaker:study that we talked about a while ago.
Speaker:Based on that, I think there's reason to
Speaker:believe that there can be some axon
Speaker:growth, there could be
Speaker:collateral sprouting.
Speaker:In this, as you mentioned, MS is more of
Speaker:a demyelinating condition.
Speaker:And based on what we saw there, we saw
Speaker:some remyelination happening in the
Speaker:neuropathy patients who
Speaker:were studied in that study.
Speaker:So we have every reason to believe that
Speaker:that can happen here.
Speaker:And there is evidence for remyelination.
Speaker:And so the fact that it would happen here
Speaker:is supported by research.
Speaker:The pathway has been established that
Speaker:remyelination can happen,
Speaker:given certain circumstances.
Speaker:And this is those being the
Speaker:things that we talked about.
Speaker:You need to have enough stimulation,
Speaker:enough recovery and time in the
Speaker:parasympathetic nervous system and
Speaker:resources and all that stuff.
Speaker:So have every reason to believe that
Speaker:there is some degree of that happening,
Speaker:certainly more work to be done.
Speaker:But yeah, it seems like, especially the
Speaker:patients we've seen who have just made
Speaker:transformational recoveries over time, of
Speaker:course, but really gotten out of
Speaker:wheelchairs and regained their autonomy
Speaker:when they've been dealing with MS and had
Speaker:become wheelchair bound, had to give up
Speaker:the driver's license,
Speaker:had to rely on a caregiver.
Speaker:We've seen some amazing transformations.
Speaker:So it seems like there's some functional
Speaker:and some structural changes happening
Speaker:there that can explain what's going on.
Speaker:I can't say the ratio of each, but
Speaker:there's definitely some positive changes
Speaker:happening over time.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:Okay, next I'd love to discuss how the
Speaker:newbie can be used in a supportive
Speaker:context when it comes to injury recovery,
Speaker:postural dysfunction,
Speaker:pain management, etc.
Speaker:Now I am so outside of my
Speaker:wheelhouse now it's funny.
Speaker:So I'm going to hand this one over to
Speaker:Harry because this is his job.
Speaker:So yeah, over to you, mate.
Speaker:Garros, or yours?
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:Yes, very excited to
Speaker:ask you a few questions.
Speaker:Garros, probably too
Speaker:many for the podcast.
Speaker:But yeah, on a day to day basis, I am
Speaker:treating people with
Speaker:different types of pain, injury,
Speaker:and going back to what we spoke earlier,
Speaker:it's not always visible.
Speaker:So why, for instance, the treatment of
Speaker:the mapping process might be really
Speaker:important is because sometimes you can
Speaker:visually see somebody walking and they're
Speaker:naturally shifting very heavily onto
Speaker:their right side, for instance, and
Speaker:that's causing their torso to shift left
Speaker:and they've got all sorts of compression
Speaker:issues and head tilts just to compensate
Speaker:and their feet are
Speaker:doing stuff that's crazy.
Speaker:But as I say, sometimes it's not always
Speaker:visible and the mapping process allows me
Speaker:to see what actually has a deficiency and
Speaker:what is weak and what
Speaker:cannot handle the load.
Speaker:So I guess there's many questions.
Speaker:And Rob, you'll feel
Speaker:free to help me out here.
Speaker:But from a Rob standpoint, for instance,
Speaker:we have a lateral hip shift to the right
Speaker:and it's tough for him to
Speaker:get over to the left side.
Speaker:And I guess now for me now is using the
Speaker:newbie in a way that will allow him to
Speaker:kind of load up his left side, teach his
Speaker:body to be able to shift into the left
Speaker:side whilst of course being able to
Speaker:rebuild his whole system with lots of
Speaker:different approaches with the newbie.
Speaker:And of course the newbie is
Speaker:also very, very new to me.
Speaker:So I haven't yet had the experience of
Speaker:using it with lots of hypertrophy work.
Speaker:But from a mechanical side of thing or as
Speaker:a coach that deals with the
Speaker:mechanical side of things,
Speaker:I guess would I look to use the newbie as
Speaker:a first port of call or would you look to
Speaker:exhaust kind of corrective exercises,
Speaker:positional exercises, then start to use
Speaker:the newbie as a way to increase load
Speaker:without, you know, of course, giving the
Speaker:body too much stimulus.
Speaker:I guess what I'm trying to say is would
Speaker:I, of course, it would differentiate
Speaker:between person to person, but would I
Speaker:look to use the newbie right away or
Speaker:would I look to use it deeper down the
Speaker:line to see how much I can get out of
Speaker:somebody without the device?
Speaker:That's a good question.
Speaker:I like using it as early
Speaker:as possible in the process.
Speaker:And I'll share why that is.
Speaker:It's because you can identify the, I
Speaker:would sort of call it the first domino,
Speaker:the limitations that would be or the
Speaker:impediments that would
Speaker:be slowing down progress.
Speaker:So, you know, my understanding of your
Speaker:work carry is that you have a very
Speaker:sophisticated understanding of
Speaker:biomechanics and corrective exercise and
Speaker:precision of muscle activation and
Speaker:precision of movements that you use to
Speaker:activate certain muscles.
Speaker:And if you have someone who has a, you
Speaker:know, a weak glute need, for example, you
Speaker:know, you could tell them to do some hip
Speaker:hikes and you can have them do, you know,
Speaker:side bridges and you can have them do,
Speaker:you know, various movements
Speaker:to try to get that to activate.
Speaker:And it might take a long time until they
Speaker:are able to actually activate that enough
Speaker:to incorporate it into gate so the pelvis
Speaker:doesn't sink on the opposite side or, you
Speaker:know, whatever it might be.
Speaker:You know, just trying to use one example
Speaker:there, but, you know, the same framework
Speaker:is going to apply across the board.
Speaker:So, you know, it could
Speaker:take, you know, a long time.
Speaker:Whereas if you use the
Speaker:newbie, you can accelerate that.
Speaker:So it's not going to feel like you're
Speaker:pushing that boulder uphill and it just
Speaker:keeps rolling back down on you.
Speaker:Or it's not going to feel like as much of
Speaker:an uphill battle because if you go around
Speaker:and find hotspots, you could figure out,
Speaker:you know, maybe they're not, maybe the
Speaker:person you're working
Speaker:with is not engaging, right?
Speaker:Maybe they're inhibiting a certain muscle
Speaker:because something else.
Speaker:Maybe they're not activating their glute
Speaker:because there's actually
Speaker:an issue in their adductor.
Speaker:And because of that, their nervous system
Speaker:is trying to inhibit them from fully
Speaker:extending their hip because it's afraid
Speaker:that the adductor might strain or tear,
Speaker:or there's some vulnerability in the hip.
Speaker:And so if you go find that and then
Speaker:you're able to, you know, to work on
Speaker:that, all of a sudden they're going to
Speaker:achieve hip extension in one or two
Speaker:sessions, whereas that might have taken,
Speaker:you know, weeks and been just such a
Speaker:grind and you might make very little
Speaker:progress and wonder why.
Speaker:So it can sort of, you know, clean up or
Speaker:get rid of those impediments that would
Speaker:otherwise really be slowing
Speaker:down the process, I think.
Speaker:So I would say you do the same
Speaker:assessment, you know, that you're already
Speaker:doing, looking at where there's, you
Speaker:know, inefficient or inappropriate
Speaker:biomechanical strategies.
Speaker:And then you can use the same corrective
Speaker:strategies, but just layer in some
Speaker:mapping in between, find hotspots, put
Speaker:the pads on the hotspots, and then you'll
Speaker:get a lot more bang for the buck, a much
Speaker:more impact out of
Speaker:those corrective sessions.
Speaker:I think that's sort of
Speaker:the framework I would use.
Speaker:Does that make sense?
Speaker:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker:I guess I like to take people from, you
Speaker:know, floor-based exercises and integrate
Speaker:them back up to upright body positions.
Speaker:And I know I've mentioned a bit about
Speaker:this to you before about how you may or
Speaker:may not use eventually with somebody, a
Speaker:lot of the multidimensional rotational
Speaker:movements and using the newbie device
Speaker:with that to allow somebody to, you know,
Speaker:connect their external oblique with their
Speaker:opposite glute need.
Speaker:And do you find, or are you going to be
Speaker:using that more and more, do you think?
Speaker:Or do you feel like the results are good
Speaker:enough just using
Speaker:more isolated approaches?
Speaker:I think it depends on the, you know, the
Speaker:individual, the client or
Speaker:the patient and their goals.
Speaker:So, and I think everything's kind of a
Speaker:progression or a continuum here.
Speaker:So, you know, for many people, much of
Speaker:the time, you know, I would recommend
Speaker:starting out with just simple movements
Speaker:with the newbie on to work through the
Speaker:various, you know, compensatory,
Speaker:protective, inhibitory guarding types of
Speaker:patterns that people have to just sort of
Speaker:get back to that
Speaker:baseline homeostasis level.
Speaker:And then, you know, especially if you're
Speaker:working with a rotational athlete, if
Speaker:you're working with a golfer,
Speaker:you know, we have a lot of baseball
Speaker:players over here, but I mean, of course,
Speaker:there's rotation, you know, you guys have
Speaker:a lot of rugby and soccer or football,
Speaker:you know, you're European football,
Speaker:you're version of football.
Speaker:There's a lot of,
Speaker:there's a rotational component.
Speaker:You know, I think that's one of the
Speaker:things that, you know, it was
Speaker:misunderstood how much rotation there is
Speaker:in something, you know, people think of
Speaker:running as just flexion
Speaker:extension, straight line.
Speaker:But as you know, there's so much rotation
Speaker:that so, so if you're trying to get
Speaker:someone back there, then I think working
Speaker:in those movements that
Speaker:you're describing is important.
Speaker:And my goal is not to tell you what
Speaker:movements to do, but it's to tell you how
Speaker:to use the newbie to amplify the benefit
Speaker:of what you're doing.
Speaker:You know, if you really like kettlebells,
Speaker:well, let's talk about how we can use the
Speaker:newbie to amplify the
Speaker:effects of kettlebells.
Speaker:If you really want to work on, you know,
Speaker:rotational precision biomechanics and
Speaker:sequencing of the pelvis and thoracic
Speaker:spine and arms, you know, let's figure
Speaker:out how we can make that better.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:I think there's quite a lot of
Speaker:controversy right now.
Speaker:And it's quite kind of evident sometimes
Speaker:over, you know, social media platforms in
Speaker:terms of, you know, as humans
Speaker:mechanically, we are rotational, we
Speaker:evolved to, you know, by being upright
Speaker:and being able to, you know, sprint away
Speaker:from, you know, lions and, you know,
Speaker:throw spears and things like that.
Speaker:And there's a lot of I guess, you know,
Speaker:practitioners out there that would not
Speaker:ever advise to do, say deadlifts and work
Speaker:in that sagittal plane and almost bad
Speaker:mouth, you know, doing
Speaker:movement such like compound lifts.
Speaker:And they would say you should only be,
Speaker:you know, in terms of
Speaker:you should only rotate.
Speaker:And I thought, you know,
Speaker:what's your thoughts on that?
Speaker:Because I'm very much in the middle.
Speaker:I am from rugby, I used to
Speaker:do a lot of back squatting.
Speaker:And, you know, you see people sometimes
Speaker:now saying, gosh, that's compressing your
Speaker:spine, you should never do that.
Speaker:That's going to cause this, this, this
Speaker:and this, you know, work your legs in
Speaker:this way, which then transfers more into,
Speaker:you know, walking, running.
Speaker:And, and I for me, I'm not on either
Speaker:side, I feel like we can benefit from
Speaker:using both approaches, of course, person
Speaker:dependent, I guess the ultimate goal
Speaker:would be to get somebody back to doing
Speaker:more of those rotational movements,
Speaker:depending on what they
Speaker:want to do, of course.
Speaker:But of course, if you work with an
Speaker:athlete, that is a shock putter, for
Speaker:instance, or, you know, it's just a
Speaker:deadlifter, or just a
Speaker:powerlifter, then I guess it differs.
Speaker:But I didn't know what your
Speaker:thoughts on that would be.
Speaker:Because it's sometimes hard as a coach
Speaker:to, to just be there and sit on the kind
Speaker:of fence and just see, you know, people
Speaker:saying stuff about certain movements.
Speaker:But I don't believe there's
Speaker:a wrong or a right movement.
Speaker:I think posture is, is such a big thing.
Speaker:We don't just need one
Speaker:posture, we need hundreds.
Speaker:And we need to be able to access that at
Speaker:any time, sometimes.
Speaker:And I think we just need to condition the
Speaker:body to be able to do x, y, z with, with
Speaker:kind of freedom, in a sense.
Speaker:But but yeah, it's quite sometimes tricky
Speaker:as a coach to, to see other
Speaker:people's values and ideas.
Speaker:And sometimes you think, well, that's
Speaker:just, you know,
Speaker:causing a little bit of beef.
Speaker:And maybe it's just to get some social
Speaker:media exposure, I don't know.
Speaker:But you know, they seem pretty passionate
Speaker:in terms of this is
Speaker:something you should never do.
Speaker:You shouldn't squat,
Speaker:you shouldn't deadlift.
Speaker:But as I say, we need to squat, we need
Speaker:to stand up from our seat, we, you know,
Speaker:we're not going to rotate as we do that.
Speaker:So but yeah, that's, that's sometimes
Speaker:where I kind of look from.
Speaker:And I'm like, wow,
Speaker:that's, that's quite a,
Speaker:quite a thing to say.
Speaker:That's an interesting topic.
Speaker:And, you know, I don't know that there is
Speaker:any single exercise that I would say
Speaker:everyone should always do, or no one
Speaker:should ever do, or, you know, everyone
Speaker:should always avoid, you know, I don't
Speaker:know that there's anything where I would
Speaker:make such a strong
Speaker:blanket statement like that.
Speaker:I think the closest I would come is what
Speaker:you're alluding to there, the closest I
Speaker:would come to a blanket
Speaker:statement is that we all,
Speaker:you know, if we want to be generally
Speaker:active, right, you know, assuming and
Speaker:assuming we're not talking about someone
Speaker:who's a quadriplegic or multiple limb
Speaker:amputee, or, you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker:ignoring for a moment, those types of
Speaker:circumstances, if we want to be normally
Speaker:active, I mean, we generally need to be
Speaker:able to have an efficient gait pattern,
Speaker:right, it's important that we walk and do
Speaker:anything that we need to do to fill in
Speaker:the gaps that would be inhibiting us from
Speaker:being able to have an
Speaker:efficient gait pattern,
Speaker:you know, because there's, there's, you
Speaker:know, rotation, of course, sagittal,
Speaker:frontal, and rotational plane movements,
Speaker:just in the walking gait, you know, I
Speaker:know, you know, many of us, you know,
Speaker:myself included, to some degree, have
Speaker:lost the ability to squat, we all should
Speaker:have that ability to squat, but so I
Speaker:think there are, you know, in terms of
Speaker:like the closest I get to a blanket
Speaker:statement is, you know, we probably
Speaker:should spend some time in
Speaker:that squatting position.
Speaker:I also think that, you know, like, you
Speaker:know, we spend a lot less time with, you
Speaker:know, we spend so much time with the arms
Speaker:just in front of us driving, eating,
Speaker:using at the computer, getting the
Speaker:shoulders out, you know, above us,
Speaker:spending some time hanging, you know, I
Speaker:think we evolved, you know, I mean, you
Speaker:know, certainly from monkeys, you know,
Speaker:hanging, hanging a lot, but then, you
Speaker:know, reaching up, reaching for things,
Speaker:you know, I think those, those types of
Speaker:things, you know, I think virtually
Speaker:everybody can benefit from adding in
Speaker:some, making sure they're doing some, you
Speaker:know, gait, you know, some walking, some
Speaker:squatting, some hanging over from an
Speaker:overhead bar, or lit tree limb, or
Speaker:something like that, you
Speaker:know, some of those things.
Speaker:And then, and then from there, I just say
Speaker:it's more specific to what that person's
Speaker:issues are and what
Speaker:everyone needs to work on.
Speaker:100%, 100%.
Speaker:I know, you know, it comes down to the
Speaker:whole fascia system as well.
Speaker:And people say you cannot, you cannot
Speaker:just work on the fascial system, you
Speaker:know, of course, you know, again, it's a
Speaker:tough one to maybe say at the moment, I
Speaker:think more studies need to be done.
Speaker:But in terms of that whole, if you
Speaker:deadlift and you move just completely
Speaker:blocky all the time, you, you know, is
Speaker:the fascia going to be deep, more
Speaker:dehydrated, and comparing
Speaker:to rotational movements?
Speaker:And, and I know that you have the glove
Speaker:technique, which I'm
Speaker:really excited to use.
Speaker:Have you found that the kind of method
Speaker:with the electric glove, have you seen or
Speaker:done any studies where you can see more
Speaker:of that gel like water, that kind of
Speaker:negatively charged water move more around
Speaker:through the fascial
Speaker:system after using the newbie?
Speaker:So there's one point there before talking
Speaker:about the glove, you know, I do think I
Speaker:do think it's important in talking about
Speaker:fascia and connective tissue to
Speaker:understand, you know, it's like like the
Speaker:nervous system, you know, use it or lose
Speaker:it in terms of the range of motion, you
Speaker:know, the fascia, the connective tissue
Speaker:is going to adapt to the
Speaker:ranges in which it's used.
Speaker:So if I don't, you know, for example,
Speaker:lift my arms up overhead,
Speaker:eventually that window is going to
Speaker:shorten and even if I, you know, can
Speaker:relax the muscles to allow me to get
Speaker:there, if the joint capsule has shortened
Speaker:over time, you know, that that's going to
Speaker:have to remodel or it may never be able
Speaker:to, you know, you
Speaker:know, you might be limited.
Speaker:So, so taking your taking your connective
Speaker:tissue, loading it through through all of
Speaker:its available ranges is very important
Speaker:because use it or lose
Speaker:it applies there too.
Speaker:So if you talk about connective tissue,
Speaker:you know, be becoming more fibrous or
Speaker:dehydrated, or literally shrinking over
Speaker:time, because again, it doesn't, you
Speaker:know, body doesn't want to maintain spend
Speaker:the energy to maintain extra tissue and
Speaker:ranges and resources that it's not using.
Speaker:So, so I do think that it's, you know,
Speaker:it's that, you know, let's, there's a
Speaker:great, great quote that's some into the
Speaker:effect of, you know, the body that you
Speaker:have, whether it's body composition, you
Speaker:know, muscle and fat, or whether it's
Speaker:ability and range of motion, the body you
Speaker:have is the body that you've earned.
Speaker:It's based on, it's based on what you've
Speaker:done up to this point in
Speaker:your life, you know, exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so the accumulation, isn't it?
Speaker:Yeah, they say hindsight is the only
Speaker:truth something to that extent.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:I'm interested.
Speaker:Sorry, that's a good, that's a good one.
Speaker:Hindsight is the only Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker:so so so in terms of the question about
Speaker:hydrating tissue and stuff like that, you
Speaker:know, what we're doing with the electric
Speaker:glove is essentially going to be, you
Speaker:know, just a maybe an accelerated form of
Speaker:what you see in manual therapy.
Speaker:And so, so to the degree that you're able
Speaker:to increase the hydration and, you know,
Speaker:quality and structure of tissues with
Speaker:manual therapy, you'll see the same with
Speaker:the glove, you know, our goal would be
Speaker:just to have it happen with, you know,
Speaker:with some less effort and pressure on the
Speaker:part of the practitioner and, you know,
Speaker:shorter duration in time, but it's going
Speaker:to be a similar endpoint there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I assume just just in the glove,
Speaker:sorry to interrupt this with the glove,
Speaker:the less you have sort of forcing you to
Speaker:manipulate in tissue.
Speaker:I mean, the moment you sort of start to
Speaker:interfere with tissue that's already
Speaker:potentially in a spasm that's going to
Speaker:sort of drive up that sympathetic
Speaker:response, again, I'd imagine.
Speaker:So by utilizing something that is more
Speaker:that is achieving the same output in
Speaker:terms of mechanical release, but without
Speaker:putting that same amount of physical
Speaker:stress in the body, you're going to,
Speaker:yeah, by way of that, reduce that
Speaker:sympathetic load on the body as a whole
Speaker:as well as sort of
Speaker:subsequently improving tissue mobility.
Speaker:I'd imagine just speculate
Speaker:there with that sort of flow.
Speaker:Yeah, I think,
Speaker:yeah, there's a few pieces there.
Speaker:I mean, I generally like what you're
Speaker:saying there where you can get more, you
Speaker:know, more bang for the buck
Speaker:with less stress and effort.
Speaker:And there's no such
Speaker:thing as a free lunch, right?
Speaker:You're not just getting
Speaker:something for nothing.
Speaker:But if you're more strategic, you know,
Speaker:for the same investment of time and
Speaker:effort, you can get a lot
Speaker:more of a result, I'll say.
Speaker:Fair.
Speaker:No, that makes total sense.
Speaker:Garrett, I know we're
Speaker:starting to run up on time.
Speaker:So, well, I reckon we'll finish off with
Speaker:this sort of this next question and then
Speaker:let you get on your way.
Speaker:As I'm sure you've got better things to
Speaker:do than just keep the pair of us occupied
Speaker:for the rest of the day.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Anyway, so we've obviously covered that
Speaker:the newbie is great in
Speaker:neurodegenerative conditions.
Speaker:It's an amazing tool for physical rehab.
Speaker:Now, maybe it's a sort of a newer
Speaker:development and correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker:but I've noticed that a few practitioners
Speaker:are starting to use it more in the sort
Speaker:of the CFS, the long-code
Speaker:community, as I mentioned earlier.
Speaker:So conditions where there is a high sort
Speaker:of a viral component, a high viral level
Speaker:or bacterial or whatever it is, it could
Speaker:be some sort of chronic Lyme, whether or
Speaker:not you believe in chronic Lyme, and
Speaker:that's a discussion for another day.
Speaker:Now, my working theory here is that
Speaker:fundamentally that by improving the sort
Speaker:of the parasympathetic tone of the
Speaker:nervous system, getting the body to a
Speaker:more rest and digest state, it's lowering
Speaker:the levels of these stress hormones that
Speaker:we talked about earlier.
Speaker:These corticostero, glucocorticoid, I
Speaker:think that right eventually, and your
Speaker:catecholamines, etc.
Speaker:And this in turn is essentially
Speaker:modulating the immune system.
Speaker:You will leave all the transcription
Speaker:factors and cytokines alone, but by
Speaker:lowering this high level stress on the
Speaker:body, you're lowering the inflammatory
Speaker:burden on the cell, which is then
Speaker:fundamentally allowing improving
Speaker:mitochondrial function by way of, I
Speaker:suppose, balancing the redox state within
Speaker:the mitochondria and limiting the loss of
Speaker:electrons complex four and five,
Speaker:which for the audience is where ATP or
Speaker:cellular energy is fundamentally created.
Speaker:Now, as I'm sure you know, when you have
Speaker:that sort of that, at those that electron
Speaker:leakage, that extracellular ATP that
Speaker:spills out of the mitochondria, it can
Speaker:cause a lot of mitochondrial dysfunction,
Speaker:sort of colloquially seen as what's
Speaker:called cell danger response, which I'm
Speaker:sure you're also familiar with as well.
Speaker:Now, that's my working theory is that
Speaker:fundamentally what the new how the newbie
Speaker:is helping in these sorts of conditions
Speaker:is it's helping to modulate this stress
Speaker:response, which then has this trickle
Speaker:down effect, ultimately, positively
Speaker:affecting cell energetics.
Speaker:Am I on track there?
Speaker:Or did I just waste
Speaker:three minutes of your life?
Speaker:I think that's exactly right.
Speaker:You said, you know, I think a more
Speaker:detailed and sophisticated version of
Speaker:what I would have said in answering the
Speaker:question, which is I think the greatest
Speaker:impact on the long COVID community is
Speaker:that, you know, ability to create with
Speaker:the master reset, or perhaps even other
Speaker:techniques, you know, create more of a
Speaker:shift to the
Speaker:parasympathetic nervous system.
Speaker:As you said, it has that negative
Speaker:feedback on, you know, excessive immune
Speaker:kind of runaway
Speaker:autoimmune or excess inflammation.
Speaker:And then, you know, the other the other
Speaker:piece I would add is, you know, you
Speaker:mentioned chronic fatigue.
Speaker:We know there's a lot of benefits of
Speaker:exercise, but there's also this conundrum
Speaker:that if you are, if you're someone who
Speaker:has chronic fatigue, it's like, well,
Speaker:shoot, I can barely get off the couch.
Speaker:How the hell am I supposed to exercise?
Speaker:So if you can use technology like the
Speaker:newbie to start to titrate up, start to
Speaker:get a little bit of exercise, you know,
Speaker:while you even while you're just sitting
Speaker:or standing there, you can start to build
Speaker:up very methodically, very safely, very
Speaker:slowly, build up the level of input and
Speaker:stress and challenge you can take that
Speaker:your body can handle and start to get
Speaker:some of those adaptations, those those
Speaker:exercise induced positive adaptations,
Speaker:you can start to get those and sort of
Speaker:build up over time, you know, without
Speaker:eliciting that stress response or without
Speaker:eliciting the cell danger response from
Speaker:from over exercising
Speaker:going out and doing too much.
Speaker:So I think that's that's sort of the
Speaker:other piece I would add.
Speaker:But yeah, definitely the autonomic
Speaker:nervous system and then yeah, being able
Speaker:to kind of safely increase, you know,
Speaker:start with a minute at a certain level,
Speaker:and then titrate up the power and the
Speaker:duration, just very methodically, because
Speaker:you can control all the
Speaker:variables very objectively.
Speaker:It's very similar to just in terms of
Speaker:just training with with external load,
Speaker:very similar in terms of you want to
Speaker:progress linearly as and
Speaker:when it's safe to do so.
Speaker:But instead of using kilos or in probably
Speaker:over there, it's pounds.
Speaker:But of course, you can just turn up the
Speaker:newbie, just a just another notch.
Speaker:And, you know, with an instance, you're
Speaker:getting that same load effect, but, you
Speaker:know, slightly differently to, to
Speaker:weights, which, of course, with in terms
Speaker:of loading the weight or body with
Speaker:external load, there's
Speaker:no real technique needed.
Speaker:Like you can mimic the same amount of
Speaker:like stimulus and load without having to
Speaker:really get into certain positions that
Speaker:might cause that person to feel
Speaker:vulnerable or fear that kind
Speaker:of position from experience.
Speaker:Yeah, well said, you can you can start
Speaker:to, you know, the problem is is going too
Speaker:far, which sometimes you don't
Speaker:necessarily know you've gone too far
Speaker:until you until you've done it, and then
Speaker:having a setback for days with you know,
Speaker:a chronic, chronic fatigue patient.
Speaker:So being able to just really, really do
Speaker:it objectively slowly, I think has been
Speaker:valuable in those cases.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Garrett, you've been a
Speaker:star as of you, Harry.
Speaker:Like I said, I'm sure Harry wants his
Speaker:dinner and that you Garrett
Speaker:have got a day to get on with.
Speaker:So just to close up, Garrett, what beyond
Speaker:where people can find you, of course,
Speaker:what is next for newbie?
Speaker:Do you have any, any sort of anything the
Speaker:pipeline that you can share with us?
Speaker:That's maybe not top secret or what's
Speaker:next for you and the company?
Speaker:And then yeah, again,
Speaker:where can people find you?
Speaker:So, you know, in terms of what's on tap
Speaker:for us, certainly more research.
Speaker:I mentioned that neuropathy study, we
Speaker:have several other published studies.
Speaker:We have some exciting ones, including one
Speaker:with the Mayo Clinic, which is a big
Speaker:organization here in the US.
Speaker:Yeah, we've got some really exciting
Speaker:things going on study wise.
Speaker:And then, you know, I believe we're the
Speaker:leaders in direct current, the gold
Speaker:standard in this category.
Speaker:And so, you know, we're
Speaker:always wanting to be innovative.
Speaker:So I'm looking at different ways to
Speaker:incorporate AI and learnings into this.
Speaker:So, you know, different things technology
Speaker:wise that I intend to be able to, you
Speaker:know, bring to market in the years ahead.
Speaker:So, you know, we're
Speaker:definitely working on all that stuff.
Speaker:And in terms of where to find us, you
Speaker:know, please DM with me and our team
Speaker:interact with us on social media.
Speaker:You know, we're most active on Instagram,
Speaker:NewFitRFP for rehab,
Speaker:fitness and performance.
Speaker:And that's NewFit is
Speaker:NEU, like neurological.
Speaker:And then I have a personal page I just
Speaker:started in the last year or so I had been
Speaker:using the business one, but it's my first
Speaker:and last name garrett.sulpeter.
Speaker:And our website is you can just go to
Speaker:newfit.com and that'll direct you to our
Speaker:actual URL is www.new.fit.
Speaker:And then we do have a UK distributor who
Speaker:Harry has interacted with.
Speaker:And their company they sell a few
Speaker:products, including the
Speaker:newbie company is called RPX.
Speaker:So it's RP-X.com if for your fellow
Speaker:countrymen or country
Speaker:women there in the UK.
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:Thank you so much.
Speaker:You're just doing such amazing work.
Speaker:I'll be sending my CV in.
Speaker:Harry, where can people find you mate?
Speaker:Sorry about my crazy
Speaker:little dog barking there.
Speaker:She wants to make an appearance clearly.
Speaker:So I'm on Instagram heavily as well.
Speaker:So it's T-A-G-F-I-T.
Speaker:So that's tagfit.
Speaker:And then you can also find my website
Speaker:which is tagfit.co.uk.
Speaker:Perfect.
Speaker:Gentlemen, thank you
Speaker:both so much for your time.
Speaker:It was a great conversation and I hope
Speaker:you can do it again soon.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you.
