This conversation had to happen! Join us as we dive into a vibrant chat with Lord Rab and Dr. Stance that’s long overdue. Right off the bat, they explore the significance of building legacies and the hustle behind it all. With a mix of humor and heartfelt honesty, they reflect on their journeys, the challenges they've faced, and the importance of authentic storytelling in their communities. You’ll hear candid discussions about the music industry, the impact of culture, and even some unexpected twists that keep the laughter rolling. So, kick back, grab a snack, and get ready for an enlightening and entertaining ride! What stood out to you the most? Jump into the comments and let us know your thoughts!

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Listen, listen, people.

I am definitely the chosen one because I was able to get Lord Rabbit in his bitch.

It was not easy, okay?

I damn near had a stroke trying to get this man high blood pressure, all kind of.

The nigga's famous.

Okay?

What's up, brother?

How you doing?

Yeah, we met that one time at that event.

Who Event was at the basketball player Baron Davis.

There you go.

And that's where I met you.

I said, bro, I was in your ear, like, bro, I need you on my show.

He's like, I got you, sis.

You know?

So I was excited, and I. I'm just beyond grateful to have you here.

Thank you.

I'm happy to be here.

Listen, you got a platform, so I.

Let's get into it, because I've been following you, and I was just fin.

Assessing.

Let's say this for the camera.

You're the reason I started this shit.

Really.

Facts.

And I'll tell you this.

When I went and did my first interview with Making Changes, I think you know them.

I did it with them.

And I seen Percy Mac.

I call him P Money.

I was like, nigga, I didn't know him from a can of paint.

I said, give me three weeks.

I'm gonna build a studio.

Okay?

I started.

I started doing research.

I'm tapping in with people.

The first thing they say, oh, you need to tap in with Lord Rab.

He got the best podcast in the bay.

I said, who is this nigga?

That's love.

I looked your ass up, and I seen everybody on your platform like, God damn, I need to.

I need to get in the room with this.

With this guy.

And then you fell in my lap.

That's.

That's.

Look how God works.

Listen, so you inspired me, so I.

Thank you.

I created this just watching you, and I was like, you know what?

I didn't see no women doing it like me.

You know what I'm saying?

Much needed.

I didn't see a lot of women.

So I was like, you know what?

Let me get on here and do something different.

So tell.

Tell the people who Lord Rabbit is, because I know you got that album praising the Lord.

Yeah, yeah.

Praise the Lord.

I love that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's.

That's.

I came from that.

So, like, you know, I'm a. I'm a culture junkie.

Like, I grew up in the.

In the 80s, so, like, I just saw everything, you know?

I saw.

I got.

I'm like, one of those people who saw, like, Felix Mitchell in that era.

But I also, you know, remember when, like, the Black Panthers was around at the end, you know, like, same.

So, like, I just come up at East Oakland, baby.

You know, I saw everything.

But mostly I came up in that era, the 80s and 90s.

And, like, I was always just in the culture.

Like, if I probably wasn't in that environment, I'd probably be a nerd.

Like a.

Like a Kanye or somebody.

You know, like one of them dudes that's just into everything.

Like, I'm gonna skateboard.

I'm gonna ride my bike.

I'm play basketball.

But I did play a lot of sports.

Cause that's what we do in the hood, okay?

Give me some exclusive shit.

What do people don't know about Lord Rabb?

People don't know about Lord Rabbit?

It's like, I was like.

You know what I'm saying?

When I was younger, I was a legend on that court.

So, like, I was as short as I am.

It's crazy.

Like, I started dunking in the eighth grade.

Okay?

Right.

So people that know me, know me, go.

Went to school with me or know me from the streets, they'd be like, yeah, dude was like.

You know, he was like that.

What was your name?

Chocolate Thunder.

No, just.

I always.

I always been rad.

You know what I'm saying?

So.

But.

But yeah, so that's what I. I come up around that, you know, And I grew up around East Oakland, 85th, going to boys and Girls Club, stuff like that.

You know what I'm saying?

So, yeah, that's.

That's.

That's me in a nutshell.

And then, you know, I just always been into people and black people.

Everything about us.

I like it.

I see that on your platform.

You have several platforms.

I see the one you got with Brownie.

Y' all just did a couple interviews.

We definitely tapping into that.

You did, like, you got E40.

I just seen you on a gram in a group with, like, four or five.

What's that about?

Yeah, so I've been trying for a minute to put together this Bay Area music summit, right?

And so it's evolved over years.

We started in the pandemic.

My thing is the need for.

There's always these questions about why.

Why isn't the Bay Area this or that?

And I give you an honest answer.

Is part of the reason why is because things like this didn't exist.

Things like your platform wasn't here.

Like, we were Coming out of the eras, like, oh, do you go work for Cameo?

Do you go work for Thisler?

Do you go work for whatever it is that's having a lock on everything, right?

Because it's.

And people were moving out at the time, so our concentration of us was leaving, so we just was.

I've.

I've been focus.

Focused on this for a while because I was an artist first first.

Like, I know how hard it is.

So, like, how do we lighten this up?

Because everybody not going to have the mental fortitude to go out and just keep on beating it, beating it, beating it into the ground until you win.

So I wanted to make it better.

And so that's embedded in me.

And so in having this group of people that I'm always talking to, we got together, we wanted to create a summit like the Gavin used to be here in the Bay Area, where we could come in and we could say, here's a lot of our industry professionals in one room.

So we got people that the head of Def Jam, Sony, these big companies, like, people really from here.

And people don't know that.

Like, artists don't know that.

They don't know if anybody's paying attention to them.

They don't know because the industry kind of like went.

And the industry never went away.

Let me say this.

The Bay Area got where we are because when that transition of music from hard copies to MP3s happened to where it was like Napster and all that, we were already independent.

So I think it hurt us the most.

I think people, like, on the east coast had a mixtape circuit, so it kind of worked for them where they could upload their music, music to that piff.

So artists like, Fabulous, when that era hit, he could just drop mixtape after mixtape or whoever.

I'm just saying we weren't doing that because we were selling all of our music out our trunks.

So you can go back and hear E40 saying, like, I ain't doing no damn mixtape, because that's like throwing away money in his eyes.

You see how weak.

So we.

And the game hadn't adapted.

It was no iTunes yet, you know, and then all that stuff came later.

So I think we always got stuck in that rut because we were always independent.

We never depended on outside entities for help.

Do you think this is because maybe a lot of niggas was gatekeeping?

Because it seems like some did make it out.

Do you think niggas was just gatekeeping?

I think the gatekeeping happened more with positions, not rapper on rapper.

I think gatekeeping happens with back then the radio.

And it's not even because.

It's not even because I don't want to put it on no particular people or just some individuals.

I want to say because the entire system.

So the entire system only allows each DJ to do so much and who they pick with they time.

I'll give you an example.

Like, people know I always get on big vine, right?

But he had his moment to put on who he wanted to put on.

So if you remember then it was a lot of the team being played.

He supported them.

Yes, he did.

So the acts that he supported, you know, when the Love Ranch thing went up, he was involved with that with 50, so.

But it's also a top 40 radio station.

What can he really do besides have a mix show?

And that's something that I want to bring back.

Like, I always think about this, like if New York has the Breakfast Club, right?

And just other LA has Big boy, you know, SiriusXM have sway, of course.

Shout out to.

That's my cousin.

Shout out to Sway.

What's up, swag?

And it.

What, what do we have?

We finna have us, nigga.

You know what I'm saying?

Turning hustling legacy and no culture.

Let's go.

Yes.

You feel me?

You got the female dope, bitch, and we got you.

Yes.

Cause you already on the map and you giving people.

No, you are.

You are on a map.

You got a lot of high quality people and elite people on your platform.

So therefore, to me, of course, that's giving you a name.

It's making people like me.

That's new, want to get with people like you.

Right.

You know what I mean?

And I think that, like you said, I'm not going to call it gatekeeping, but it just wasn't a gate away.

It wasn't nothing open that'll give people the opportunity.

Like, this is my studio.

Yes.

I own it, I built it.

And I want to give people platforms, you know, and it's.

It's a weird industry.

I'm new, I've been behind the scenes.

So I've been watching people like you grow and flourish and you giving people opportunities.

You are.

And hope.

You just had little Russell.

Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

You had too short.

You got all you had, Draymond.

You got a lot of top motherfuckers.

Let's just be real.

So you're setting the bar and you set that shit high as fuck.

Just like me giving out Versace rolls for the women.

I set the bar high I got you one.

You know, I got you what I was just saying I set it high.

So what do you tell people that's like, me up and coming up doing podcasting and trying to build a legacy on this industry?

Like, what advice would you give me, being new to the game?

Well, first of all, the first bit of advice I could skip with you because it's the passion and the determination by building a studio out.

You already knew you wanted to do this shit.

Cause you know that and I know that that shit ain't cheap, nigga.

Right?

You know what I'm saying?

You know, and I know that giving out gifts to your guests ain't cheap.

You know, and I know that booking guests and guests not showing up, shit not working out, all of this shit caused production people showing up, these lights come on, money being spent, period.

Right?

And so the first advice I would give to somebody is make sure you passionate about it.

Make sure this is actually what you want to do.

Because it look good when you see the clips on YouTube and you see the clips on Instagram and all the socials, it look good, but this shit hard.

Then a motherfucker, you know what I'm saying?

You got to stay up at night like this, and then you got to live regular life, you know what I'm saying?

So that's the first thing.

Be passionate and then set yourself apart.

Find something that you do.

What is it that you do?

With me, personally, what made me start was I felt like our stories weren't being told.

So, like, this last thing people just said, oh, man, we love that, too.

Short interview.

We never heard all of that stuff about you.

That's my thing.

Do the deep dive on the person.

Show them that you interested in them and your guests like that.

You know, be personable, you know what I'm saying?

Make people be fond of you.

And so I think those are the hardest things to get over.

And then the consistency, after you do all of that shit, after all these lights come on, after you say, I'mma build out this great studio and it's going to be nice.

And then you put a video up and it get 60 views, you got to fight through that shit.

You got to fight through that.

Like, God damn.

What?

You know what I'm saying?

What I got to do.

Keep going.

Yeah, Keep posting that shit.

Repost that shit.

If it did.

If you feel like that was a good one, repost that shit.

You put your money in.

It's facts.

You get what I'm saying?

Absolutely.

Like, nobody should be Like, Macy's been selling the same polo shirt for 40 years.

My entire life, I've been able to go buy the same navy blue polo shirt with the red man.

The tag in the inside might change, but they got something that they sell all the time the same.

I like that analogy.

That's a good analogy.

That's a very good analogy.

Now, you know, I'm finna get in your business, nigga.

Is you single?

No, I'm not single.

You know, I ask every man on here that comes, and you the first that didn't stutter.

It was immediate answer.

Everybody be like, well, you know, that's why I him up like that.

But you was the first that was, like, straightforward.

And he ain't single.

Okay?

So I appreciate that.

No, I mean, I live.

I live my life in public.

You know what I'm saying?

That's good.

And I got and.

And also shout out to my daughter, too.

You see, my whole family, we travel the world together.

We, you know, you see, you might see.

Ain't no telling what country we might pop up in.

We might be, you know, and I always been a fan of the black family staying together.

You have to.

Because, like, like me, I'm just so big on it because shit happened to my family.

Like, drugs happened to my family.

Drugs happened to my friends family.

I'm one of those guys that saw everybody have a good job and literally crack.

Not heroin and not nothing else.

I saw crack wipe all that shit out.

Oh, I saw it change everybody.

I saw professional athletes.

I've seen shit people wouldn't even believe, right?

And so, like, I. I seen it destroy homes.

And I always was smart enough to know that they.

They just.

They, this is a weapon.

Oh, this might be controversy.

What I'm finna motherfucking bring up.

But this is.

I'm like.

Cause my platform is more like, well, to make you look good and to, you know, give you that shit.

But this is gonna be some fucking controversy.

How do you feel about.

Cause I get mad about this all the time, praising that's so dope to our parents and damn near the reason why our parents are doping in the 80s.

But niggas praise niggas like that because they didn't snitch or because they did time.

What?

I need answers.

What the fudge is that?

To me, is the most ignorant shit supposed to somebody supporting somebody like me that's actually saving and housing 50 fucking youth?

Because, you know, I'm in a transition.

I'm the girl of transitional housing, okay?

Why is that why do East Oakland or even the Bay Area praise men?

I think me and P. Money was just having that conversation.

That literally is the reason why my mama was a fucking functional dolphin in the 80s.

Cause a nigga didn't snitch or went and did jail.

10, 50,000. Who gives a fuck about that?

Why do men praise.

Why do they praise niggas like that?

I think growing up, it's what we saw, right?

So it's that the admiration comes from the materialism, right?

And so the guys, at least from when I was younger, were very young when they got started.

So it was kind of like a trickery that got played.

It's like a double standard.

Like, if you go back and look at the video.

Video I'm on seminary in East 17th.

When Felix Mitchell's casket come through on the news.

Like, I'm one of the kids standing right there, right?

So I'm hearing us, we like, ooh.

And I'm hearing the old folks saying, that's a goddamn shame.

Like, you get what I'm saying?

Like, you know, every day, like, kids don't understand now you see somebody in a horse and carriage.

Like, it ain't big shit to y' all now.

Cause that.

Y' all do that with y' all life insurance now, it's regular people do that, right?

Little Boo Boo from down the street gonna get that right.

Back in the day, that was fucking crazy, right?

A fleet of Rolls Royces and, like, all these news cameras out there, right?

So.

But I'm saying that to say I'm one of those kids that became what I didn't like.

So I didn't like drug dealers at one point.

Cause everybody in my family was on crack.

I'm like, damn, they got.

They fucking up.

Like, damn, you owe somebody.

They coming through sweating like, you.

Like, I live the real life.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, they sweating people.

I'm seeing dope being cooked in the house.

Somebody come up missing, it's going down, going down.

Like, right?

So.

But as time progressed, like, I'm not even gonna say I fell to the pressures, like.

Because this is what I say.

Like, the Russell didn't grow up in that era.

So he had a perspective of the same thing.

What you said exactly, almost verbat, verbatim.

But he doesn't have.

Because he said, well, some didn't make that decision.

But, like, everybody is not built with the same anything.

All of our DNA, we gonna all react to different things.

So you might wanna tough it out when you come home and your PG&E ain't on.

And they like, we gonna go with the candles.

We gonna just.

That shit might stress me out or we couldn't dry the clothes.

My shirt smell mildew now.

I gotta go to school tomorrow.

These niggas keep fucking with me.

Or I can come back to this motherfucker tomorrow with some Jordan.

Cause I sold this little bundle real quick.

Cause that's all it start off with the real quick.

That's why.

That's why all dudes that get in the dope game, they off they first count.

Back to back to back to back.

You got to be a.

You got to be an exceptional.

And most of y' all, like, me was not great drugs.

It's like, I tried it, too.

I wasn't.

It's like.

It's like a 10 that's elite at selling dope.

It takes a certain type of discipline, man, that most of us don't have.

And that's facts, cuz.

The money's so quick in your hand.

And they go like this.

Just like me from hoeing the CEO.

Like, it's like this.

Especially when you.

Especially when you doing shit like courting, right?

You a young nigga, you court.

You want to go to movie.

Like, it's easily to just go try to impress somebody or do something like.

So I think that the praise comes from, like, wanting to be that.

But people that know.

No, some people don't know.

But the people that was raised with conscience, even us that was raised in them messed up situations, some of us know, like, we got aunts, uncles, family members.

We see how it was supposed to be, and we still had a lot of more core values back then.

Back then, for sure.

It just got.

It just got.

It got.

Since I'm gonna tell you this, the praise wasn't there like that.

Not back in the day.

This shit got sensationalized.

Since, like.

I'm gonna tell you some real shit since, like.

Since, like, Paid in Full exclusive, like, Don Diva magazines and all that shit before that, right?

But then it just got like.

When the DVDs start happening, like the DVD era, when they start telling the stories.

Cause real dope boys that got money, they don't look at each other all like that.

They done been in the feds with each other.

They know who really was getting money, who was capping, who just had a big name, who was like.

So that shit really come from, like, movies and storytelling?

I think.

So I don't really think, like, you might praise somebody from your block, like, he was the big homie.

But it's a ying and a yang to it.

Everybody done did some fucked up shit in order and that's life.

That's not just a drug game and it's not a black thing thing.

It's on the corporate side.

That's on the church side on that elevation.

It's some up dark on the other side of that.

Absolutely.

That's why I'm scared to a little elevation like these.

I'mma stay true to who I am.

Yeah, you can keep it pure though.

That, that's my motto.

Take it slow.

Don't get greedy.

Enjoy life and be pure.

Like, you've never seen no gossip on my platform.

You never, you never seen me trying to stir up.

No.

I would rather take to 60 views.

Me too.

I would rather continue to do what I'm passionate about.

Put out great content that might laugh.

Because one thing about this is we gonna all go one day.

That's true.

But this we putting on right here gonna last forever.

Absolutely.

So they was, they, they was putting they in hieroglyphs.

We putting our on video.

Somebody gonna be able to go back and see this.

So this how we presenting ourselves right now.

We, you know, we, we documenting this.

No facts.

I, I, I literally totally agree.

And it's, it's kind of unfortunate.

That's why I think me doing my research with different podcasters and platforms.

Some of them be asking shit that really don't matter.

Like today.

Like what type of weed brand you smoke.

What's your favorite sex position.

I think that was Lil Russell.

That was on one of them girl.

Yeah, yeah, that's what she asked a fuck about that.

So I wanted to create a platform one exclusive shit.

Knowing who Lord Rab is, knowing who you was growing up.

Like real life shit, all that fabricated shit is just to me not interesting.

That's not what I'm interested in.

I want to know real life shit.

Speaking of, I think you did your show with Brownie and I think you guys, you had a topic on this, tickled the shit out of me.

You said why do people think.

Why would it cost $500 to take a woman on a date?

Right?

I totally fucking agree with you.

That chic don't cost no goddamn five.

And then this is my thing.

Why would any man that's dating you and y' all don't have the courtship spend $500 on.

Right?

Every ain't a trick.

Right.

You know what I mean?

And, and even in life sometimes happens because that's their quality of Life.

That's how they live.

Correct.

Right.

So if I already eat 500, I'm not gonna tone it down for you.

Well, this.

These days, you might have to just say they don't have you up economy.

You know what I'm saying?

But, but I'm saying, like, but, but, but, yeah, you right.

Because, like, why is it a price point on it?

Why is it not.

Why is it not a.

Why don't your standard.

Why isn't your standard measured by the experience?

Correct?

Right.

Cause if I only spend one day with a person, I want somebody to leave with more.

I want to give more than I took.

You know what I'm saying?

That's just my philosophy in life.

You give more than you retake.

You build more than you destroy.

That's just what.

You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

Like, so, so, and, and, and, and that's not always monetary.

It might be an experience.

It might be like how many of these women talk about nowadays, like, having a picnic, eating on the beach, like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, and that shit cool.

Like, imagine, like, just we got great weather in California.

You know what I mean?

Some people never smoked a joint on the beach.

Some people never, like, had no wine on the beach, like, you know what I'm saying?

Let it.

You know what I'm saying?

Start putting that out there.

But a lot of this too.

I'm gonna tell you this.

A lot of these platforms that are bigger than me and you are paid to do a lot of propaganda too.

Absolutely.

So a lot of this for sure, that is rising to the, like, you know, this is what we gotta understand, y'.

All.

We run media.

Nobody consumes this more than us.

Absolutely.

There's a reason why is.

It's not like Bad Girls Club existed before baddies.

This created a network because black people watching it.

Baddies was just, you know, whatever it was on somebody, it was a show.

They spun it off.

And I don't like it.

I don't like this shit at all.

I love it.

I'm ignorant.

I don't.

I don't like it because I love her.

Who?

Natalie Nunn.

Okay.

Okay.

That's cool.

Let me tell you why I don't like it.

Because, like, is women coming in a room and it's like they never met.

It's like, what's up?

What's up?

It's like gladiator shit.

Like, we gotta fight to be on TV is the weirdest shit.

Like, I just don't.

I gotta get you on that one.

And I'll say this to say it's entertaining.

Let's just say that I don't like how it does present women.

I give it that.

But when you're looking from a business perspective.

No, from a business perspective, it's amazing.

Fuck all that fighting shit.

Natalie Nunn is a genius.

No, from a.

From a business perspective, it's amazing.

And also if he has any soul, hopefully he'll pivot that whole shit in the future.

I think he will, you know what I mean?

Because a lot of this shit was started on crazy shit.

So if he pivoted in the future, then that's cool.

But I just hope that shit just don't.

That's not the whole thing.

Because it's wild.

Honestly, I don't think it is.

And that's funny you say that like, because I think shout out to Natalie Nunn, but hopefully she'll be sitting here soon.

But she getting a lot of riff raff from doing that show with what's the nigga name?

Oh, you posted it.

Cam Newton.

So he asked her that one in particular question and everybody's like beating her up because she couldn't give a straight answer.

I must be ignorant because to me, the bitch gave the straightest answer.

He asked, what kind of value can a baddie bring to a man?

The bitch was.

She paid a bag, she got a bag.

I look, everybody looked at that as just one overall thing, but it's really multiple factors to that.

She has a bag.

She ain't in your pocket, nigga.

She ain't costing you a grip.

She paying her own bill.

She ain't asking you for nothing.

So I think that's how Natalie was looking at it.

Because people not looking at the fact she actually changing lives, though it might not be in the best way, but who do shit in the best way.

You get what I'm saying?

No, I agree, but what I think is, I think people got on her and I think I posted it to prove a point that she don't know.

And that's just what it is.

We gotta.

Because Natalie's making money and she on tv.

Like, why do she gotta have the answer?

She don't.

She don't know.

Maybe she don't know.

Like we don't give each other the benefit of the doubt.

She don't fucking know.

That's just what it is.

It was when your pride in the way and you already doing the interview.

It's hard for even you to say that you don't know.

Correct.

You know what I'm Saying, but it's already going down, so she stumbled.

What I will say about that is though, I think that it gives our younger women the wrong type of aspirations.

This is how I look at life and women.

I agree.

This is how I chose my woman.

This is how I chose a woman I want to have a baby with.

It's like, I'm the nigga.

Like, what would grandma do if your grandmama wouldn't bend her ass over in the club and throw that?

You don't do it.

Oh, want to sit up on it.

When them kids want to come sit up under you, talk and eat fruit and get some advice.

Maybe get a scripture.

That's what I.

That's how I was raised.

So now the grandmamas is this crazy.

They on the gram shaking ass.

Yeah.

They not in no moomoo.

They in them tight ass pajamas with they bbl on the gram showing like it's bad.

So I just saw a conversation earlier with, they was talking about should the women be naked in front of their sons?

And people was like, defend.

And I don't, I don't see nothing.

Like, I'm not.

I do see something wrong with it.

I don't want to.

I'm gonna start off with that.

But I, I've seen it and I never thought nothing like, wow.

I always thought like, damn, you should put some clothes on.

But it was never my business or my child.

So I never.

But I always thought about it, but I think when I've always seen it, it's like the mama being in a rush.

I've never just seen a mama walking around naked.

Oh, I'm always naked.

Are you?

And so is my goddamn daughter.

But I got a daughter, so.

But you, that was.

So the thing was with son.

No, I wouldn't even feel comfortable.

Okay, so that, that's what the whole thing was.

No, if you got, if you got a daughter, that's totally different in my eyes, in my opinion.

Okay?

So I don't know how nobody else feel about that, but if you got a daughter, she's gonna have these same parts mommy having.

I actually think they should be talking about the.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, like, you know, you're gonna get all of this one day, so you be ready.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, so that's about dads.

Do dads be around their sons naked?

Nah.

See?

So what the is the difference?

It's balls and big.

Like what's the difference?

No, because men, see, that's the thing.

And you gonna Come across that a lot on your platform.

I need answers, and the only way to articulate that.

And men and women are not made the same.

Correct.

God did that.

We didn't.

No matter what.

No.

We didn't make the decisions.

We didn't.

Like, you know, like, women stop having babies at a certain age.

Men don't.

That's just like.

They beat me up with the DLO interview.

I don't know if you watched it.

Please do go back.

They beat me up because I said men aren't built to raise children.

And.

And I not thank.

Not by themselves.

Thank you.

Why did that world be women, Women.

Women.

Women are more nurturing.

It's how it's meant to be.

Now, do things happen where men are forced to do it?

Of course.

And men do excellent jobs.

I actually think I could do it if I had to do it.

You could.

I think I could raise a child.

Yeah.

Like.

And I've seen men do it.

But, no, you can't breastfeed.

N. I can't breastfeed.

And that's important.

That's important.

You can't carry it.

That's important.

And you can't feel all the time.

Thank you.

So that's what I mean, just men.

You'Re not built to do.

Yeah, you built with, like, bruteness, like, tough.

Yeah.

I'm not built to go build a fucking house.

Right.

I'm not built to empty.

Sometimes the kids need that extra kiss, that extra hug, that shit that mama got for him.

Thank you.

I'm saying.

And if that's not happening, if that's your situation where it's not happening, unfortunately.

Hope, you know, God bless you.

But I'm saying, if the.

If it can be both, it should be.

It should.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I agree to that.

Thank you so much.

Y' all heard him say I wasn't wrong.

They beat me up for that.

That's crazy.

Maybe you just.

Maybe they just didn't get it, which is how you.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's kind of common sense, but, you know, a lot of people lack that.

But of course, I'm talking to dlo's a single father and a good father.

Thank you.

So at the end of the day, of course.

I'm saying biblically, you guys are not built to raise children at the end, just like I'm not built to build a house.

Don't mean you can't do it.

That don't mean you can't do it.

Not built for it.

You know, God made the Adam and the Eve, like, the man go and work and make the home, you know?

No, the woman make the home, but the man build it, you know?

So that's what I was saying.

So I appreciate you standing on business with that because that's really what it is.

How are you as a dad?

Like, is it.

You got a group of girls, right?

I got.

I got one girl.

I'm.

I'm.

I guess that's the term.

She's 18.

I mean, 19.

She's in college.

Mine too.

Yeah, she's in college.

First year freshman.

Man, I'm all about my kid.

Me too.

What school?

St. Mary's I love that.

Good for her.

Mine in Sonoma State.

Sonoma College.

I tried to get her to go out of state.

Did you try to get her?

Well, no.

Well.

Well, it was all her choice.

But what happened was my daughter is in kinesiology, so sports.

She's doing sports medicine.

Gotcha.

And everybody's program is full.

She's not trying to add no extra years on having to take something late because.

So she jumped straight into kinesiology.

I'll take.

She's.

She going straight with it.

So she.

She got her plan all planned out.

Like she don't have to go to medical school to be a doctor.

It's like, I'm just.

I'm a doctor.

So.

Yeah, I got a PhD in psychology.

You definitely don't have to go to.

I didn't want to what the right for because I don't want to be working with sick people.

I want.

Right.

I'm a philosopher.

That's.

She not trying to really.

But on a sports.

She's gonna.

She's probably gonna end up being like therapy.

Right?

For like athletes.

Yeah, yeah.

It's probably gonna be something like that.

That's good to me.

I created this platform because it's like therapy.

What is.

Listen, tell to the people.

They don't know.

People will leave your podcast if you real like they just got like a load up off of them.

Listen, they'll call you later.

They'll be like, damn, that I never talked like that.

Listen, that's why it's important to have that.

You know what I mean?

Like connection.

Yes, absolutely.

I totally agree.

My first one was with.

Because I think I told you I do the foster care.

And my first one, I did one of my foster youth and lme Tunchi.

I don't know if you know him.

A young rapper coming up, but he was a former foster youth.

So every month I do that.

I have a foster and a former.

And I want Them to explain to the people what it's like being a foster kid.

And everyone that's come on this platform like, oh, God, Dr. Stans.

That was everything.

They had us in here crying.

Yeah, we was in here crying like it's serious.

So I think I wanted to create a safe space, you know, watching people like you and just have a safe space to.

To make people feel vulnerable and comfortable to share their story.

You know, I wrote my book from a hoe to a CEO.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

And so make sure you explain that.

Absolutely.

The was a hoe and went from a damn CEO and built a multi million dollar company.

Okay.

And so, you know, my own.

Back it up.

You read the book.

It's just me having trauma too.

Growing up almost in the foster care system.

My mama, like you said, owned dope in the 80s.

I'm an 80s baby too.

I'm 43.

How old are you?

44.

Is it?

There you go.

I'll be 44 this year.

No, I'm not 44.

What the fuck?

Wait, am I 44?

No, I'm 46.

I said 44.

Wait, how.

I skipped two years.

What year is it?

20.

26.

Yeah, I go through that too.

But no, literally, though, I think that just me coming up with a lot of trauma and, you know, me not even knowing my purpose and where I was going.

But, you know, I wanted some quick money.

And, you know, my mom being on dope, she passed.

Rest in peace.

And me going house to house, I'm like, how could I get some fucking money?

Hoen was the easiest way.

I tried to sell the weed, I tried to sell the dope.

I didn't want to go to jail and spend a hell of a time hoeing.

You get out the next day.

It can make more money than a nigga selling dope in a year, in one day.

Can I ask you a question?

The interviewer in me has to ask this.

Oh, this is good.

No one's ever asked me motherfucking questions.

Go ahead.

If, if, if you're.

So you deciding to get into this life to make money, so there's not.

There is a pimp required?

Nigga, I was a pimp.

So you never had a pimp?

Fuck no.

Because this book, honey.

Okay.

Because do I have the personality?

Do you think?

Like, I don't think you would pay.

No, no, I don't.

I just.

It don't seem like it, but that could also be game that you learned.

So I don't know if it was just because you season now?

No, I think I was seasoned coming out the wound.

I was like a butterball turkey coming out.

So I don't know if you've been seeing the conversation about pimps and hoes.

LaRussell had it.

Another incident happened with Simba.

Said it about the pimps and hoes nowadays.

So how do you feel about that?

Oh, they definitely different.

I think even the 304s are fucking different.

Cause, you know, I was on the streets, too.

I was 304ing all up in Frisco, Bush street, the one way, by myself.

But I would have my hoes with me, you know?

And I think that the mentality and mentality in the generation is different.

And to be honest, the motherfucking tricks is different.

You understand?

So that's what makes you.

You're more cutthroat, you know, there's way more pedophiles, you know, I got a story for days.

You gotta read my book, you know?

You know, dealing with tricks, that's jacking off to their own kids, right?

And me being in the mindset of wanting a bag, I put all that behind me and still played the role to get the bag right.

That fucked me up a little bit, you know what I'm saying?

But what I did before I left was took everything the fuck that nigga had.

So I was a different kind of hoe.

I ain't gonna lie.

You was the Robin Hood of ho.

Absolutely.

I was Robin Hood for sure.

I was very cut, though.

But one thing about me, when I didn't shout out to Capone, my cousin, you know Capone, Sure.

That nigga know, he tried to steal my hoes.

I tell that nigga and he tell you, to this day, that bitch wasn't going nowhere.

Because I swear to God, ask that nigga, he gonna come on his show one day.

But I think, you know, I treated my hoes well, and I think that's what the difference is.

The men in the pimps now, they whooping they ass.

And, you know, they.

They don't treat them right.

Therefore, now the hoes is getting more out of control.

You know what I mean?

It's the same in a courtship, in a relationship, how you treat a woman is everything.

Absolutely.

Let's just be real.

The men set the tone.

Yeah, you guys set the tone.

How y' all treat us, The.

The action.

You gonna get a good reaction.

You get what I'm saying?

But I think with the pimping and hoeing, I.

That shit just different now.

Yeah, it's cold.

Blooded see what I'm so.

I can see you completely handling that.

Right.

My, my thing is it's so.

It's always the game is so grimy and you actually making money.

My only thing would be was like, how did you stay safe?

I. I think I was missing a few screws.

So you was, you was just.

They niggas wasn't ready to play with you like that at all.

You know who I was scared of?

The police.

And that was it.

I was scared of boys.

And I've been set up a couple times by police though.

Oh, oh, fact, read the book.

I'm telling you, I've been set up a couple times.

Entrapment they used to call it.

They pretend like and them is them boys.

And now I'm going to jail.

You know, I've been to jail a couple times for prostitution.

It's on my record.

Entrapment, all that.

But it's.

I think I was just fearless.

That's when I knew I was kind of fucked up.

I'd be all in Santa Rosa, up in the hills by myself.

I definitely went by myself because I'm not giving no hoe no money.

Right?

Right.

You see what I'm like?

I'm not splitting nothing, bitch.

And when I take my hoes with me, I may fact.

I go in first.

I put me on the line first one.

Cause I'm going to collect all the money and then I'm doing disbursements like financial aid, you understand?

Then I come back and school her and tell her everything what she need to do.

And then she go in there, run a play and come back.

So it was just for me.

I think I only feared God.

I was just always a fearless woman.

I don't even know where the fuck it came from, to be honest.

How long was that?

I did it from 17 to like 22.

Once I got pregnant, I quit and.

Just went to school.

Absolutely.

I got straight.

That's amazing.

As soon as I got pregnant and knew I was keeping my child, because I'm gonna be 100, I had about 14 abortions.

Okay.

And that's all in Bluetooth, but I had about 13.

I got pregnant at 12.

Wow.

Yeah.

So I had, I hid the pregnancy and I got almost to six months and almost got stuck with it, but I wound up getting abortion at six months.

And so then once I did that, I was scared to death.

And I think what got me into the whole game, because a lot of people ask me this, I beat up this girl and went to jail at this Time I had a nursing license and it got taken and I had my own spot at 17.

Nigga, I was living good in 17.

San Leandro, nigga.

You know motherfuckers couldn't afford that ring.

$900 a month at 17.

Okay.

In San Leandro.

So I've always been getting money and just been on my shit, you know?

I mean, obviously, you know, getting a PhD, you gotta have some type of dedication.

Eleven years of my life.

But I think me losing that and not wanting to go backwards because I've been homeless, too.

So I'm like, fuck this shit.

I'm under any means necessary.

I gotta get a bag.

Yeah.

And that's how I got in the game.

And it was the easiest.

My first trick, that nigga wanted me to stand there, watch him eat his own cum for $1,000.

And I swear to God, my whole body turned and formed into a dollar sign because I couldn't.

I couldn't believe it.

I was like, $1,000 and I ain't do shit.

Yeah.

Oh.

It was on from there.

And let me clear this up, because a lot of people think when you say, Hoenn, that you out here fucking these niggas.

That is.

I was just about to say that.

Yeah, I was just about to say that.

Probably most of that shit didn't even.

Fuck, no.

You got to think about who the client is, period.

This nigga is done before he get here, nigga.

And I.

It didn't put with black men.

Yeah, well, a lot of them don't.

Yeah.

If I did, I'll be honest.

It was a regular.

And I liked them.

I had two black men.

One was an attorney and one was.

I ain't gonna say, was an A's baseball player.

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

And they was paying a lot of my bills, and I was them because I actually liked them both in my mind.

So I didn't fuck with black men at all.

That's.

That's crazy that you say that.

Because when you say that and you talk about the baseball player, I was gonna ask you about these women now.

So you have the blatant 300 and foes.

That's just doing it, Right?

But what about all this?

This fly me out culture?

Like, that's home.

But that's what it is, right?

It's the same.

But I'm saying it's the same thing.

It depends.

Cause it's transactional.

So I'm saying if it's a transaction.

If it's transactional, it's just homeless.

What it is.

Yeah.

If it's a transaction, at the end, you'd be like, yeah, y' all playing like y' all on a date.

But at the end of this shit.

Like, wait, is it whoring or is it tricking, though?

To me, I'll put it more.

I'm gonna lean more towards tricking.

Okay?

Because it really ain't tricking if he got it.

If a n just wanna be generous and give you a fly you out and give you a motherfucking bag.

Technically, that's not hoeing.

But I'm saying, is it hoeing if she's ready to do whatever she gotta do when she get there?

Hoeing is a mentality.

It's a mentality.

It's really not an action because it's a bunch of bitches fucking niggas for free.

Are they hoes?

No, they just want some fucking dick.

They horny, right?

Hoeing is a mentality, you know, before you get there, I'm finna rob this nigga.

I'm finna get a bag out this nigga, you know, off top.

So let's say if a guy called me and he liked me, I'm.

Let's say I'm in Miami.

This has happened to me a few times.

I'm in Miami or I'm somewhere in New York somewhere, and a guy like, you know what?

They know I ain't from there.

They know I'm from the Bay.

They're like, hey, you know what?

I like you.

You want to come out, hang out with me?

I'm like, fuck it, nigga.

If he decides to pay for it, technically, he likes me.

Like, he may see a friend in me.

It doesn't always have to think or be transactional on a sense in a negative way.

Does that make sense?

Right?

Right.

Like, niggas may just got it and see a baddie and want the bitch to hang out with him.

I've had niggas.

I got you.

I have niggas approach me on a form of, hey, you a baddie.

Can you just come with me to Vegas, sis?

And, you know, you just look out on my shoulder.

I'm like, I care for what?

Why not?

Yeah, and it wasn't nothing sexual.

It was nothing.

You get what I'm saying?

So I think I'm glad you actually asking these questions because nobody that's come on my show, actually, I feel like I'm on your show.

I like the reverse.

That's actually amazing.

But no one's really asked these type of questions because I Think people just look on the surface.

Let's dig up under that.

Right?

Right.

What Hoenn really is.

Right.

Deeper than that.

What people seeing on a 304 page.

That shit's fake as.

No, it's real.

But it ain't back how.

When I was doing it.

When we was doing it, we was getting money.

We wasn't pimping or hoeing for these niggas.

We was.

We wasn't buying Chanel's.

We paying rent.

Okay?

We.

We doing it because we had to.

Not because we wanted.

Right?

Right.

By the time you buying Chanel bags, you should have been and found something else to do.

I had a couple houses.

You see what I'm saying?

These go whole for a bag or for a chain or.

That's crazy.

No, I did it because I had.

I didn't even have because there's a million and one hustles.

I chose that one because it was the easiest for me because I was Boss Hoggy and it was the fastest and the safest.

As crazy as that sound.

I'm talking about safe from jail.

You get out in 24 hours.

I know you gotta move on from all that.

But I got one last question about that shit.

With all of that and within.

Well, that wasn't even alone.

That was five years in your life.

But what did it do for that time in the future because you had a child, you was having relationships.

What you mean with the like.

So you stopped when you had your child?

My baby daddy.

And that was it.

That was it.

Okay.

And that's.

I shout out to Richard, but he was the one that actually said that.

It's a hundred, it's a million and one hustles.

Why choose that one?

Right?

And when I was pregnant, I actually stopped.

Right before I was pregnant, when I met him, he said that.

And I ain't gonna lie, that shit changed the game for me.

And then I got pregnant and I immediately enrolled in college.

Immediately I worked three jobs.

Single parent.

After I left him when she was like one or two.

And then I just went skyed up from there.

I never ever looked back.

Because I knew I didn't want the trauma for my child.

So I had to change my ways.

Yeah.

But I'm saying too.

Did it do something mentally to you for the future, for men?

Fuck no.

I love men.

No.

So it's just the same.

I stopped.

Yeah.

In my mind.

And the cold part, it actually fucked me up.

Because of the vow that I made with God.

You see what I'm saying?

And he don't play with me.

I'm a chosen one.

So when I said I'm done, I can't even ask a for shit, that shit so me up the.

Well, my.

My righteous life with the Lord.

No, I didn't mean that.

I mean, how you look at me.

Because some.

I thought I heard women that was in that life before, like, somehow, and it might be because of their experiences, and you seem like you too strong to have gotten to that point.

But, you know, like them situations like you saw like this nigga want to do what, like, you started looking at it, like, just be weird.

Nah, I don't like that.

Okay.

That's just like all ain't hoes straight up, you know what I'm saying?

I don't.

I didn't.

It's not fair.

Like, look, you're a good guy.

Yeah.

So now that I've, you know, don't deal with no black men.

Why?

Because they.

No, it's.

No, no.

I definitely, you know, I am different though, because a lot of women do do that.

They put all of them in a category.

But I don't.

You know what I mean?

So.

I appreciate these.

Yeah, no, I just.

I just.

I've been thinking about shit like that.

I got a daughter, you know, I think about all the time.

Absolutely.

You know what I'm saying?

Talk to her about all of it.

And I love black women.

I think my daughter too far gone even.

I mean, you know, you know, nothing.

Never too far, something can happen.

But she on another plane as far as that, like, she's so.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, she's.

She different.

But I'm saying anything can happen to any but anybody.

But what I'm saying is for the future.

And black young girls, I love all of them too.

Like they my daughter.

So I think you just got a lot of game, you know what I'm saying?

So that shit just needs to be.

It need to be more.

Them clips need to be going around.

Well, have me on your show, nigga, for sure.

I got you.

I got you.

I got you.

Say it to the people.

He had me.

I got you.

I got you.

I got you.

But listen, I love you with all my heart.

I'm extremely proud of you.

One for being a good father, a black man surviving you more than you know.

You're giving people a platform to tell their stories.

You're help healing people as well.

So I want to gift you, you know the routine.

Look under your seat.

Okay, what we got, we got.

Can you reach it.

Period.

You probably got about 15.

Y' all know I gotta hook up my brother rap for show.

Thank you.

Of course.

And I gave you a copy of my book.

Oh, yeah, that's.

And then I also want to shoot out.

You know Kishay.

She's the so called.

They say the first black.

Yeah.

I want to give you one of these.

This is.

She signed with DJ Quick.

That makes the Quick Quick sticks.

Oh, I think she was.

I seen her at the show, too.

Yeah.

Yes, I got you that, too.

Shout out to Keyshe, the boss lady.

Ms. Parker.

Shout out my girl.

So, yeah, I just.

I'm so glad you came.

And again, I hope you enjoy your gifts.

And y' all heard him say he invited me on that goddamn show.

Cause I'm showing a long way.

Because he take forever to answer them goddamn Instagrams.

Okay.

No, no, no.

You gotta have my number.

But you know what it is.

You know what it is, so.

And shout out to you.

Cause I like how you doing this.

But all of this shit I started off doing just me by myself.

So I be in here with the headphones on the board doing all this shit.

And then.

So.

So that's all.

This shit is inspirational.

I love it.

If I see you doing this and you saying you saw me doing my thing and saw me come up, that's dope.

That's what we should be doing for each other, period.

I'm lucky to have you here.

I'm waiting to get that call going and DM me that number.

Cause I sure need it.

I got you.

He promised, y'.

All.

So listen, thank y' all for tapping in.

Thank you for coming.

Thank you for having me.

And we gotta do it again.

For sure, for sure, for sure.

All right, y'.

All.