What happens when a family business built on a red telephone becomes the heartbeat of an entire town? In this episode, I sit down with Chandler Pernell, owner of Call Pernell Heating & Air, to uncover how a simple promise — always answer the phone — turned into a legacy of service, faith, and community pride. From the trades to transformation, and from local festivals to the soul of Selma itself, what can one small business teach us about keeping a hometown alive?

So please listen in. Chandler Pernell is a tremendous community servant. He does so much for this community. Activate Selma, the Boys and Girls Club of Johnston County. We talk about that. We talk about railroad days. So if you love Johnston County and you love Selma, you're gonna wanna listen to Chandler on our podcast. It was a great interview.

Welcome to another episode of Best of Johnston County, brought to you by Breeden Law Office. Our host, Jonathan Breeden, an experienced family lawyer with a deep connection to the community, is ready to take you on a journey through the area that he has called home for over 20 years. Whether it's a deep dive into the love locals have for the county or unraveling the complexities of family law, Best of Johnston County presents an authentic slice of this unique community.

A few years ago after his father passed away and the services that they provide to the citizens here, they have over 805 star reviews in the HVAC business. That's hard to do. Talk to him a little bit about that. And he is extremely active with Activate Selma, which is doing a lot of great things to promote things in Selma and putting on the rocking on railroad concert series that they have once a month in the spring and fall spring, summer, and fall in Selma. So a lot of things going on. You know, I'm a big Selma fan. I promoted Selma as much as I can on this podcast. I had the mayor a few weeks ago on the podcast by Byron McAllister. We've had other people from Selma as well.

So if you've not been, please go. Welcome Chandler. Thanks, Jonathan.

Chandler Pernell: Glad to be here.

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Chandler Pernell: Chandler Pernell. I'm the president of Call Pernell Heating and Air Conditioning in Selma, North Carolina.

Jonathan Breeden: Alright, and you were in Smithfield for 40,

Chandler Pernell: 45 years

Jonathan Breeden: five years I think.

Jonathan Breeden: A year ago, right!

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Chandler Pernell: Yep.

Jonathan Breeden: Forever.

Chandler Pernell: Forever, forever.

Jonathan Breeden: Right. Okay. I got you. And so the business started, I got your father and your uncle I think.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: Way back.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: So tell me a little bit about that and sort of what they envisioned and how it evolved.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah. Well, they had a simple business plan. They'd been doing heat and air. They were actually with Newcomb and Company outta Raleigh. They both did the heat and air when Crabtree Valley Mall was built for Newcomb.

Jonathan Breeden: Yep,

Chandler Pernell: and so their parents lived in Smithfield. My granddaddy was on the tobacco market with K.R. Edwards, and they wanted to start their own company.

So just like any tradesman with skills, they started their own company and it was gonna be real easy. Jimmy was going to do service. My dad was going to do sales. So they got their trucks, they got a couple customers and they realized this was before cell phones, right? So they didn't have a secretary. So somebody asked them the day before their first day, they said, well, who's gonna answer the phones?

So that was their neighbor across the street business. Woodard Insurance is still there today.

Miss Alma woodard they answered the phones until. My dad and uncle did enough calls to where they could afford to actually hire and pay a secretary.

Jonathan Breeden: Oh man. How about that? Yeah, that's a great story. I didn't know that story. Yeah, that's awesome. Yep. That's awesome. So what did they call it?

Chandler Pernell: They were Pernell Incorporated.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay. Right. But it's not that now.

Chandler Pernell: That's right. When I bought it, I changed it to Call Pernell Incorporated.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay. Why'd you do that?

Chandler Pernell: Well, kind of for the story, you know? Okay. Like the important part, you've got a AC emergency, you want somebody to answer.

And you, and you have a conversation. You can text our same number and you can email. You know, people like to do that. When people are in emergency state, it's almost like nine one one. Would you rather call 9 1 1 and actually have somebody right then, or are you gonna text or email 9 1 1, you know, and when when it's hot and you're in a crisis or it's cold.

The comfort is having somebody answer. So I wanted to emphasize that we answer and it tied in to them the importance of having the ladies across the street answer the phone. You can't do calls if you can't answer calls.

Jonathan Breeden: Right, right. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Well, and that's you know, and that's one of the things I prioritized here.

Is getting the phone answered. I have three or four people whose job it is to answer the phone, return phone calls.

Chandler Pernell: Yes.

Jonathan Breeden: And if we're not here, I have an off, I have a answered service. So we have live answering 24/7 because if you're going through a divorce, child custody situation you need an attorney.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: So, so I get it. I think answering the phone is the most important thing any small business can do. And you know, I, we had Karriem Kanston who bought a chain of Little Caesars Uhhuh, and he was on a few months ago on this podcast, and he said the number one thing he did to double his Little Caesars was they were not answering the phone.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: And the previous owner had told the employees, don't answer the phone. And he's like, the phone's real. We're gonna answer. They, they might wanna order pizza, they might be calling a complaint.

Chandler Pernell: Right. Right.

Jonathan Breeden: And they were like, no, sir. They said, never answer the phone. You know? And he was like, like we, we just started answering the phone.

Like, like, we, we still make good pizza. But like he was saying, you'd be shocked if you just answer the phone.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: Because 80 to 85% of people will not leave a voicemail. They're gonna call the next person. Right. And so if you wanna provide a service. You need to answer the phone. Yeah. And, and that's been one of my key things since I started this business 25 years ago.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah. Yeah. If you answer they're probably not calling anybody else.

Chandler Pernell: 18 total employees. I'm the president. That means I work almost as hard as my wife. She's with me, she does the bookkeeping and the accounting keeps us all straight and knowing what we're doing.

18 people total. I've got three technicians on their own. I've got five installers two people in the office dedicated product specialists. And my most exciting thing, we've got five apprentices in the company right now.

Jonathan Breeden: Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, you gotta grow, grow, help.

Like, I mean, it's, it's, you know, we don't have enough HVAC people. Right. In my experience, you know, like, it's, it's very difficult. I, I know you've been successful, but there is a shortage of people doing what you do.

Chandler Pernell: Yes.

Jonathan Breeden: I don't know why, but I know there is. It's hard. It's hard. It's hot.

Chandler Pernell: Yep. Our slogan is, if you didn't bleed and sweat today, you didn't work.

Jonathan Breeden: Well, it's hard work. It is. I mean, there's no darn hard work.

So what do you have to do to beat HFA? You got, I know they have it at JCC. Is it a two year associate degree?

Chandler Pernell: Yeah. So they have five different programs depending on what you wanna do.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

Chandler Pernell: The biggest one is a two year full program.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

Chandler Pernell: I've got one gentleman, Zach, he emailed me, graduated from North Johnston two years ago.

Emailed, he said every company in the county. I called him back and he started working for us right outta high school, and he worked that whole summer and he did his two full years at JCC, got like seven different certificates, including the EPA, which allows you to handle refrigerant. And he's solid man.

Jonathan Breeden: So, so, right. So, so do, do you get a license? Are these technicians licensed? I guess there's, some of these things are licensed.

Chandler Pernell: So in the state of North Carolina, I have the state license, I have three different state license, and anybody in my employment works under my license.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay, I got you. Yep. So if, if they wanted to get in, started in hvac, they don't have to have the two year degree from JCC or Wake Tech.

Chandler Pernell: That's correct. Okay. You don't even have to graduate from high school. Okay. You have to be 18 to use certain power tools and hand tools and to be at certain heights. But you do not need the school. It definitely teaches you a lot that if you come straight to me, they can probably teach those things quicker.

But the schooling is, is really optional.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, I really thought it was like you had to go two years and to be a technician, you had to have graduated and passed a test and you kind of got a HVAC license from the state, kinda like you got a law license from the state.

Right. So that's not the way it is.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

Chandler Pernell: It's, it's 8,000 hours. So that's about, you know, four full-time years.

Yeah, but they all work under, I'm the licensee. I have to supervise and sign off on every new unit installation we do.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay. Alright. So, alright, so you. Primarily do residential now?

Chandler Pernell: Yes.

Jonathan Breeden: Previously your dad, your uncle, y'all, they did commercial, they did Cisco. I mean, they did a lot of big stuff.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: But you're not doing that, you're doing residential.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: Why is that and what are the services you should provide?

I mean, what if the AC man came in right now and was like, Hey, Mr. Braden, I need to get to this, this vent over y'alls head. That, that's not really something you would be looking forward to right now. Right? You've got your own plan going and that's gonna mess with your business. It's a different environment.

We do some commercial like we do the, the Boys and Girls Club. And we do, we do churches. 'cause that's residential, right? That's Jesus's house.

Jonathan Breeden: I I know you, you've always said that's Jesus's house. No doubt about it. So y'all provide I mean you do all types of HVAC, you do installations, you do replacements you do duct work you have maintenance plans, right?

Chandler Pernell: Yep.

Jonathan Breeden: Why is it so important to have a maintenance plan?

And so as a maintenance company, we want to maintain those things and keep the units running. And so people do have the annual plan where we come out twice a year, we check the unit. We clean it. The two biggest enemies during air conditioning is really nature. It's dust and it's vibration, right? So you got this big machine and shaking inside 'cause it's compressing refrigerant and you got dirt passing through the coils 'cause it's in the air.

And so these things get dirty. We give 'em a special bath, especially like right now, after summer, this thing, it's worked 24 hours a day for weeks straight, right? And so all the air that comes through it also, the coils trap that dirt. And man, we can spray it with our non-acid based foam cleaner. And I mean, it's like a muddy waterfall.

'Cause you know, we drink this bottled water, but we breathe air more than we drink, right? Water. So, back in the seventies and eighties, I mean, if it was a little cool little warm in the winter, they, they liked it. But now we were born with air conditioning, right? We're born into it. It's in our cars. We go from an air conditioned house to an air conditioned car, to an air conditioned office.

And so people have become very. Depending on it, right? They need it. They gotta have it. And especially in the south, we deal with moisture, humidity, mildew, those kind of issues. So it's kinda like going to the dentist. You don't wanna go because a tooth fell out. You want to go to keep your teeth in.

Right. Right. And so that's kind of what it's like.

Jonathan Breeden: Right. Well, and y'all do some specialty services and not all the HVAC companies do. I know you do whole house humidifiers.

Chandler Pernell: Yep.

Jonathan Breeden: Talk about why you might want that and how that works.

Chandler Pernell: Yep. So there's humidifiers and there's dehumidifiers in the winter, especially people moving here from up north.

It's not scorching like it was three weeks ago, but it's raining, it's humid, it gets muggy, and so you need that dehumidification to keep it comfortable and to keep the mildew and stuff from growing.

Jonathan Breeden: So is it the same machine that does both? Or is it two separate pieces of equipment?

Chandler Pernell: It can be both. A lot of our units have the dehumidification built in where on your thermostat you see a temperature, but you'll also see a relative humidity. Your base unit is only based on temperature. So if it gets down and it reaches that temperature, it turns off. The ones with dehumidification, they'll go into dehumidification boost mode and do ultra dehumidify.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

Chandler Pernell: Now you also do. Whole house air filters.

Yes.

Chandler Pernell: Right? Yeah. So the filter you put in its original design was to protect the unit, keep big things from getting sucked in and getting into the fan blades and stuff.

If you have allergies, asthma, or sinuses, you need a little more than that. Because particles still go through and so we'll do a filter. It's usually at the unit. We do recommend just a basic filter at the wall, and if you really need more, more filtration put it at the unit because even though it may say it's a three month filter, it catches more stuff and it builds up in like a month.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay, so, so these whole house ones are at the unit, not in the individual filters in the house. Right. Okay. And so where in the unit do they go?

Chandler Pernell: You usually won't ever see it. They go right at the unit. Okay.

Jonathan Breeden: They're the same size 20 by 25 or is it like I, like I've got at my house? Or is they, are they smaller?

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

Chandler Pernell: Like 20 by 25. Right. But they're four to five inches thick. Oh geez. Okay. Well I'm usually doing like a half inch thing. Right? So how often do those have to be changed?

With new duct work only once a year with older duct work. Twice a year if you got a lot of pets.

Three times a year.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay. And y'all do that as part of the regular maintenance? Yes. Once you put in this whole house air filter?

Chandler Pernell: Yep.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

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Jonathan Breeden: Alright. What are some of the other specialty services that you do that other HVACs don't do? I, I, I know you do the humidifiers and I know you do the whole house air filters.

I know you've, you, you've reworked duct work sometimes. I mean, yeah. Why would you redo the duct work?

It just enforces that it'd be insulated and that it be sealed. But in terms of the room, you got this big room. This room doesn't need the same amount of air as say just a single bathroom. Does it? Right.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

Chandler Pernell: So you don't want air for the size of this room pouring into that bathroom. And so we'll actually design it and balance it for mainly energy efficiency.

I mean, I know these towns and you know, they talk about high utility bills. A lot of it is the duct work. I mean, you turn the AC on your car, get on I 40 and roll the windows down. You know, is, is the AC gonna feel like it's working that great? No. 'cause you got the windows down and all that. So same thing with duct work, right?

Jonathan Breeden: Okay, well I didn't know that. That was interesting.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah,

Jonathan Breeden: so. So we'll talk about a couple things, mistakes people make in HVAC. The number one mistake I think is they don't have regular maintenance. Another mistake I think people make is they put the thermostat too low when it's hot. Talk about that. I mean, these units are, they're good for. 40 and for example they 25 degrees, 30 degrees off of the outside temperature.

How does that work?

Chandler Pernell: So the state licensing board requires that we size it in Johnston County at a 17 degree temperature difference.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

Chandler Pernell: Meaning that if it's 91 degrees outside, which they consider the average temperature They measure it at Seymour Johnston Air Force Base and they measure it at RDU airport.

So with the newer technology, we're able to size 'em bigger, 40 really hot days without worrying about what it's gonna do on these average days. So a lot of times somebody might think they need a bigger unit and they might, you know, we'll run the load calculation, we'll get 'em a bigger unit if that's what they need.

But a lot of times the unit's fine. It's just not getting into the rooms. So instead of spending the money on a bigger, new, expensive unit, we can look at it and see that maybe if we do something with the duct work. We can save you money on the cost, make the unit last longer and bring down your utility bills.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay. And, and the thing is, you, these, these units, they can only do what they can do. And if you make it too low, it's gonna put too much stress on the unit and maybe the unit's gonna wear out sooner or the compressor's gonna break or something like that, right?

Okay, this is America. You got choices, man. That's your thermostat. You put that thing where you want to. What people don't know is that just 'cause you bump it down. It's not like they see in your car. It's not working any harder. All it does is tell it to stop when it gets to this temperature. So whether it's on 72 or 62, it's still gonna run until it gets to that temperature.

The best thing you can do is find a temperature that you are happy with. You know, and that's if you live by yourself, you put more than one person in a house, buddy, forget it. You know what I mean? Because those two people are always gonna be you got an office here, you don't have to answer. But my guess is everybody's not comfortable with the same temperature.

Right. You know? So. You might deal with that in the marriage counseling. You know, they call it thermostat wars, right? We'll see. Yeah, man. We'll see sticky notes on thermostats. We'll see. They ask us to put a padlock on it, you know, so the thermostat war, man, I, I stay outta you.

And it's 73 degrees here on Saturday and there's nobody here. Yes. And so anyway, so believe me, I've, we've had those discussions about Oh yeah, don't touch the thermostat. So I don't even tell my wife what to put the thermostat on. Right. So anyway, you actually do HVAC. So anyway. Well, let's talk a little bit about Activate Selma. I know you're extremely involved with that. This is like a big. I see it as like a big cheerleader for the town of Selma.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: How did it come to be? How did you end up getting involved in it?

Right? They've got a lounge where you can sit there and smoke cigars or cigarettes. It's been there my whole life. And so where I got involved was they were gonna have the meeting at the Boys and Girls Club of Johnston County. It was currently the My Kids' Club. And Gene Kelly just called and said, Hey, this meeting's here.

I want you to come say a few words about the club. So I did. Next week they had it at min Station. You know, the old, the original train station. And I was like, well, I've never really checked that out, so I'll go to that. The third meeting was at on beat drum ministry. This dude, he's a preacher at Selma Baptist.

I, I, I live in Smithfield. My business was still in Smithfield, and I just, I started falling in love, right? And Cindy Brookshire, one of the founders, she wrote a book called The Heart of Selma, and it's got 12 stories in it on beats in there. The Mayor Byron McAllister's in there, the mayor at the time, Cheryl Oliver.

Jonathan Breeden: Cheryl, I knew Cheryl.

Chandler Pernell: Yep. It got started during, during her reign. And all of these stories, man, it's 12 stories. The ice cream shop. I could name ma, get the book. Okay. Because you, you'll literally laugh and cry in every single story. And it just hooked me. Okay. It

Jonathan Breeden: hooked me,

Chandler Pernell: man. I was, I, I was hooked. Like I just found myself going back there.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay. Right. And so what does activate Selma do?

Right. And when I say it's pure, what I mean is I feel like Jesus is involved a lot because you see these things just kind of come together, right? And it's got its hips and valleys where it might not see like something big's happened lately and then all of a sudden. Something big happens.

Jonathan Breeden: Right.

Chandler Pernell: You know, and so I think the consistency of the Wednesday meeting is free. You don't have to be invited. Anybody in the world can come and just meet the neighbors. And what we're trying to do there is bring business owners with citizens that live there and just do something right. know Selma's not great. It's not killing it, you know. We're gonna figure out what do we need to do.

Right. You know, there's people that have lived there their whole life. I went to Smithfield Selma High School, so a lot of those kids I, I went to school with and now their kids are growing up and sometimes we don't know what to do. Right. Right. But we know we wanna do something.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: Where you have bands in the middle of Rayford Street on Thursday nights, I think. Yeah. You know, very similar to the sundown thing in Benson. And, and they've done it off and on in Smithfield. And Clayton has the concerts on the town square.

Chandler Pernell: Yep.

Jonathan Breeden: Y'all are doing those in Selma now? I think it's on the, I don't know, second or third.

Chandler Pernell: It's on Thursdays.

Jonathan Breeden: Th th second or third Thursdays of the month. Yep. Maybe the second Thursday of the month. I, I, anyway, yeah, I get mixed up.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah. September's will be September 18th.

Jonathan Breeden: Okay.

Chandler Pernell: That's on a Thursday. And it'll be the Band of Oz. Okay. Which is, you know, very well known throughout the state.

So that's, that's the major other part of Activate Selma is the concert series. It was started by Jeffrey Hamilton who works at the Rudy, the theater in Selma. Yeah. Who brings in, I mean, busloads of people from. All over the state and other states. So that's kinda like the musical hub. They have bands almost every weekend.

March through September, completely free. Bring anybody and the businesses. Have come together. A lot of the businesses in downtown Selma and, you know, the outer part of Selma and the town's really on board too. People don't realize it's not a town event, but the town cooperates with setting up the street, right.

The electricity, things like that, that if you don't have that from the town. You don't, you don't have a concert.

Jonathan Breeden: Well, and Activate Selma is very active on social media. I know you're one of the people that helped sort of coordinate that. And has done a really good job of promoting the, the, the businesses that are in Selma.

It's the 50th anniversary. It's gonna be the, the, the main thing is on the weekend of October 3rd, fourth and fifth, the railroad days parade, which I've been to.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

It's one of the better parades. I go, I I love parades.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: And when my kids were little, I went to lots of parades. Yeah, they've gotten older. They don't wanna go to the parades. I could go by by myself right now, but, but when they were little, I used to go to the railroad day parade 'cause they'd have clowns and the Shriners and all of that stuff.

Chandler Pernell: Oh yeah, yeah, man.

Jonathan Breeden: And I'd also go to the Mule Days parade and, and stuff like that. So, but there's a carnival. I mean, it's, there's tons of vendors and small businesses. You know, talk, I know that's not activate Selma, that's the, that's more of the town thing, but it's still the same thing.

Promoting Selma and, and bringing people to downtown.

'cause there was no restaurants. There was a hot dog food truck. And we kind of joked around it. It did. It ain't even railroad days. It's railroad day. Right. You know what I mean? It was one day and there was a few people, and here we are now. This is the 50th once, so it's big time and they've made it like a week long.

Right. And so the hope there is that, look, here's Selma, you ain't been here in a while. Come, come back right when there's a festival. You can come back without having to worry about. There's, there's plenty of stuff. So we invite everybody.

Jonathan Breeden: Oh, it's, it's great. It's great. And the boys and Girls Club, which I know you've been involved in mm-hmm.

I've been a big sponsor of them. You have too. You give a lot more time than I do, but I do try to sponsor all of their events. I'm a sponsor of their 5K, which I think is gonna be on. September 20th. 20th. 20th. They used to be on the railroad day on that Saturday with the parade. Right. But now they've moved it up a couple of weeks.

They got a brand new building. Yeah, they just built it's, it's really phenomenal. They, they were with Boys and Girls Club. They split, they became their own thing, sort of my kids club. But now they've sort of reunited, whether they went Goldsboro, but down, they're, they're connected to the Raleigh group, which gives them even more resources.

And they're doing a tremendous job there in Selma. Tell me a little bit about what you've done with them what you've seen them do. I mean, they make a tremendous difference in children's lives. It doesn't cost the children anything.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah, they haven't had a single kid in the program that has dropped outta high school. Every single kid that stays with the program, has graduated is one thing. The 5K, it is the flattest race in North Carolina. So if you just wanna say that you've run a 5K, you can do this one. It's practically downhill both ways. You know, slight, it's just so flat. So if you wanna put that on your belt, that's easy for people.

I took 'em to the club and I was like, Hey, Lynn, do y'all want these and the kids can like color on 'em and stuff? And she said, yeah. And I didn't know, man. It turned into this huge thing. So they drew. There's like 12 different signs that these kids drew and that was two years ago. And so I got with my sign company, they mass produced them with their drawing on one side and the 5K race logo on the other. And so currently up until the race, we're running our yard signs that these kids painted. And for every customer that puts one up, we're donating, donating $10 to the club on their behalf.

Jonathan Breeden: Oh man, that's great. That's great. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, I could talk to Chandler Pernell for hours.

Chandler Pernell: Call Pernell.

Jonathan Breeden: Call Pernell. All right. Just Google that. Put in your phone.

My personal email is my initial, is it cp@callpernell.com. All right. Yep. I'm on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube.

Jonathan Breeden: Well, you're a great follow on all of that. I mean, you're entertaining, you're involved in the community. You and I were both giving out awards at the J Now Awards. Yeah. A few weeks ago you were representing, you were doing Outstanding Teenager.

I was doing the Firefighter of the Year with Chris Ellington. That's phenomenal.

Chandler Pernell: Oh, yeah.

Jonathan Breeden: We'll definitely have to have you back because I mean, you're. I mean, you're one of the people that, I mean, I feel like I do a lot in the, in the community and you're one of the people that does even more than I do.

And, and there's just, they're just hard to find.

Chandler Pernell: Yeah.

Chandler Pernell: Oh man. What do I love the most? Everything. So Johnston County, to me is almost kind of like a. It's a big town, right? You go to New York City, Boston, new Orleans places. You got all these little different districts in Johnston County. We've kind of got the districts now. We've got Selma. You can do this, Smithfield, you can do this, 40-42's this. Y'all got a Snoopys here. I didn't even know that.

Jonathan Breeden: Yeah, we've had that for many years. Yeah.

Chandler Pernell: So now I know, you know, that's what I love about it. I come to John's place and I saw something that we love and go to Raleigh for it. That now I know is 15 minutes down the road, man. So it's kinda like the buffet, right?

You got all these different flavors. True. All under the same roof.

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