090 Nickolas Means - Leadership in Distributed Organizations

On this episode of our SaaS Fuel™ Expert Series this week, we are delighted to have Nickolas Means, VP of Engineering at Sym and a seasoned leader in the software engineering field.

Nickolas reflects on the challenges and lessons he has learned throughout his leadership journey in distributed organizations. One of the key takeaways from our discussion is the idea that leaders must find their own style and adapt to the context they operate in. While guidance and signposts are valuable, individuals ultimately need to define their own principles and lead with integrity. Nickolas also highlights the importance of cultural orientation in successful mergers and acquisitions. Creating a positive and enthusiastic environment, as well as understanding and preserving the acquired company's culture, plays a vital role in integration.

In addition to these insights, we also discuss the value of creating a safe space for open communication and fostering a collaborative work environment. Furthermore, we explore the rise of remote international teams and how organizations can navigate the challenges and opportunities they present.

Join us to discover more practical takeaways from this episode of SaaS Fuel!

Key Takeaways

[00:08:53] Leadership transitions require adjusting to new feedback loops and finding satisfaction in the work of others.

[00:11:28] Leadership growth: learning from mistakes and perspectives.

[00:14:25] GitHub fosters empathy through widespread product usage.

[00:17:16] Focus on agency, autonomy, and empowering growth.

[00:23:25] Setting ego aside, hiring smart people, teamwork.

[00:25:12] Tool for healthcare data protection & access control.

[00:29:46] Balanced interview process fosters mutual excitement.

[00:33:52] Leadership style is subjective, personal, and experiential.

[00:35:39] Influential book on leadership transformed my journey.

[00:40:01] Leadership lessons from outside books are impactful.

[00:41:00] Importance of Learning from the Broader Business Community

Tweetable Quotes

"In engineering and in life, flexibility and creativity might just get you to the other side." — Jeff Mains 00:00:24

"Moving into a people role, I just found those problems much more interesting and found the leverage that being a leader was much more satisfying to me than the leverage of writing code on a day-in, day-out basis." — Nickolas Means 00:06:51

"As a leader, you can't really find satisfaction in IC-style work. Your satisfaction has to start coming from the work that the people you lead are doing." — Nickolas Means 00:08:53

"A lot of the work in those situations is, okay, tell me what's important about your culture, tell me what means a lot to you as a company, and let's come up with ways that we can preserve that even as you join this larger culture." — Nickolas Means 00:15:54

"I always look at that power as something that the organization is asking me to give away in really efficient ways." — Nickolas Means 00:17:16

"It takes a lot of iterations on setting your ego down and getting out of the way. It's something that you have to do over and over again." — Nickolas Means 00:23:25

"Doing is one thing and thinking is another. That seems to be somewhat of a lost art." — Jeff Mains 00:32:29

"You kind of have to make your own leadership style. There's no shortcut to getting into that role and figuring out how that suit fits you, figuring out how you want to operate in that context." — Nickolas Means 00:33:52

"So not just looking at things in technology, but really taking lessons from the broader business community or even things that are not related to business, I think it's critical." — Jeff Mains 00:40:55

SaaS Leadership Lessons

1. Embrace Different Leadership Styles: There are various valid leadership styles, and it's essential for leaders to define their own principles and lead with integrity. Each individual has a unique approach to leadership, and it's crucial to recognize and appreciate diverse styles within a distributed organization.

2. Foster a Positive and Enthusiastic Environment: Creating a positive and enthusiastic work environment is vital for SaaS leadership. When hiring new employees, it's important to provide them with a welcoming and safe space. Acquiring organizations should focus on assimilating the acquired company's culture while preserving its important elements to create an inclusive environment.

3. Value Different Perspectives and Foster Open Communication: Leaders should recognize that their perspectives are not always right and should value input from the entire team. Encourage open dialogue, seek different viewpoints, and create a safe space for team members to express their opinions. This promotes a diverse and collaborative work environment where everyone feels heard and valued.

4. Adapt Leadership Approaches for Remote Work: With an increasing number of remote international teams, leaders must adapt their leadership styles to support and empower distributed team members.

5. Find Satisfaction in Team Success: As leaders ascend in their roles, the concept of meta-productivity becomes relevant. Shifting satisfaction from individual productivity to team success is crucial for sustainable leadership in SaaS organizations. Leaders should find fulfillment in the work their team members are doing and the environment they create, cultivating a culture of support and collaboration.

6. Share Power and Encourage Growth: Leaders should strive to distribute power and authority among their team members. By giving individuals opportunities to make decisions and guide the team, leaders foster agency and autonomy while promoting growth.

Guest Resources

Nickolas Means (LinkedIn): https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickolasmeans/

Nickolas Means (Twitter): https://twitter.com/nmeans

SYM: https://symops.com/

nmeans.dev (Website): https://nmeans.dev/

GitHub (Website): https://github.com/

Resources Mentioned

nmeans.dev (Website): https://nmeans.dev/

Sym (Website): https://symops.com/

GitHub (Website): https://github.com/

Atomic Accidents James Maheffey: https://books.google.com.ph/books/about/Atomic_Accidents.html?id=j5w6EAAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y

Turn The Ship Around by David Marquet: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16158601-turn-the-ship-around

Lara Hogan: https://larahogan.me/

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