Shownotes
We break down a major organized banking scheme and its legal ramifications, looking into DOJ's focus on individuals over corporations.
We explore political tensions between Kamala Harris and Ron DeSantis, plus Ron’s impressive hurricane response.
Big news - a $3 billion money laundering settlement from TD Ameritrade!
We also hit hot topics like street racing issues, the impact of U.S. fiscal policies, controversial political ads, and insightful reflections on SNL’s legacy.
Common Sense Moments
00:00 SNL pop culture influence spans generations, especially Norm.
06:14 TD Ameritrade settles money laundering for $3B.
12:54 Tense dialogue involving Kamala, DeSantis, plus statistics.
17:48 Ron ignored call; unwarranted criticism followed.
23:02 Supervisor opposes enforcing voter ID requirements.
30:27 Government handouts benefit administrators, not recipients.
33:08 Subsidies favor certain businesses, taxpayers burdened.
38:20 Criticism of disproportionate violence in Gaza conflict.
44:58 Police raid foils drag race event in Columbus.
51:30 Melania and Trump debanked for political beliefs.
55:00 Media misrepresented Kamala Harris's 60 Minutes interview.
57:51 Everyday heroes make our country great.
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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.
Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.
Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.
Transcripts
Alright. We are live here at Common Sense Ohio, October 11, 2024. Your hosts, we have Norm, we have Brett, and you have yours truly, Steve Palmer, Brett Johnson, and Norm Murdock. If you're looking for last names, that was my, tribute to the late Don Pardo.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Saturday Night Live. And why would I do that? Because the news of the day or the this day in history, Norm, Saturday Night Live aired in 1975, October 11, the original cast. Let's see if we can pull that
Brett Johnson [:up. Nearly 30.
Steve Palmer [:Nearly 30 years ago. Yeah. More more.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. More than that.
Steve Palmer [:That's 50.
Brett Johnson [:Wow. Because, yeah, we all did the same thing. Do the math wrong on that one. Yeah. Who would have thought that show would last there there were some seasons you kinda go, oh, this has gotta be they're done. They're done. And then they keep it going, though.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. They just keep going. Yeah. And,
Brett Johnson [:that's a 90 minute hold that NBC's gotta fill though, if you think about it.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. So it was, let's see if I can pull them up. I had them a second ago.
Brett Johnson [:And you'd have such outrage if that show would ever get canceled. Oh, yeah. I mean, 50 years, that's what? 3 generations? 4 generations of of of
Norm Murdock [:And the same producer. Yeah. You know, Lorne Michaels.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. It was like, Dan Aykroyd, Chevy Chase, Garrett Morris, Jane Curtin, John Belushi, Gilda Radner.
Norm Murdock [:My Fabulous.
Steve Palmer [:Fabulous. Yeah. And and look. They were I I I there's lots of things to choose from for the fact of the day here at commonsense ohio show dot com. We're we're coming at you live. But if you wanna go check out the the website with back episodes, you can do that too. But every week, I come up with a news of the week or, this day in history, and I recently have switched from just doing that boring old World War 2 to to all sorts of stuff. So but this is important because the original show aired with all these guys, and the original host, the first host, George Carlin.
Steve Palmer [:And if you go watch any of George Carlin's bit, it's like he saw this coming in the seventies.
Norm Murdock [:He was way ahead of his game.
Steve Palmer [:He's so far ahead of his game, like criticizing the government, pointing out the complete, utter, total lack of common sense in in anything we're dealing with, just the total insanity of it all, and he was indiscriminate about it. And the original cast of Saturday Night Live was indiscriminate. Now, it may be because it was, whether it was at the the who was president? That meant Carter. Right?
Norm Murdock [:Ford. Or Ford. Ford.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And they made fun of Ford, and they made fun of I think they even made fun of Carter.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, they did. And remember the
Steve Palmer [:old Reagan years when they would be, like, acting like he was asleep and didn't know what he's doing. Then after the scene, he'd be, like, up doing all this crazy stuff, talking to Gorbachev. But, you know, it it they were indiscriminate. And then Yeah. Since, they have been it's a captured operation to some extent Yeah. For for the last 10 years, I think. You know? They they everything is a bad Trump, bad Trump. They wouldn't touch Obama with a 10 foot stick.
Steve Palmer [:Although I I have seen recently, they're making fun of Wallace and Harris.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah. Yeah. So Yeah. That my,
Steve Palmer [:but, like, Joe Biden. Imagine Joe Biden. Imagine what you could do with Joe Biden on Sunday Live. I mean, he was he was essentially asleep.
Norm Murdock [:Where we got robbed was, when, the the guy who did, Clinton the best, was Phil Hartman. I know. And he absolutely owned Bill Clinton. Yes. And then his wife killed him in in their bed.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. It was
Norm Murdock [:And he the thing is about Phil is we like, we we we got 1 year of of him doing Clinton. We were robbed of 7 good years of it would have been massive. Yeah. But I remember his McDonald's say you know, little, segment where he's stealing French fries off the plates of customers at McDonald's and Phil Hartman. You know? 1 of the Secret Service guys leans in and goes, you know you know, sir, you're you're you're taking you're taking property from people. You you really can't do that. And he said, well, you know, just don't tell anybody. And the guy said, not not even missus Clinton.
Norm Murdock [:He said, hey. Look, buddy. There's gonna be a lot of things we don't tell missus Clinton.
Steve Palmer [:There could
Norm Murdock [:be a lot of things
Steve Palmer [:we don't tell. Yeah. With that. With your thumb.
Norm Murdock [:It was off the hook, man.
Steve Palmer [:I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
Norm Murdock [:Oh. And that that whole way, the the fry in his voice, the whole way he recog.
Steve Palmer [:It was it was great. But, anyway, that's a
Norm Murdock [:Oh, god.
Steve Palmer [:That was that's an interesting fact. And I think what's, as I always say, if you if you don't study history, you're doomed to repeat it. But I think social history and pop culture history is equally important and Saturday Night Live is, I think, influenced several generations now, mine included. I remember being able to stay up late. I mean, I was only 5 years old, but, you know, 5 years after that, I remember staying up late and certainly in the eighties with Eddie Murphy and and that that group and Adam Sandler coming later. And, I mean, just greats and and the late great Norm Macdonald, the best ever at the news desk. Incredible. If anybody wants if you're just bored and you're scrolling and doing a deep dive into YouTube, just Google Norm Macdonald and all his appearances on the various late night talk shows, his, news desk appearances on Saturday Night Live, particularly with OJ Simpson.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Freaking awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And he kept indiscriminate. He went after everybody.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. And he got fired because Yeah. He went after everybody.
Steve Palmer [:He fired specifically, OJ.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Yeah. He did not like that.
Steve Palmer [:And then go to his, appearance on Letterman shortly. I mean, like, he shows up in Letterman afterwards talking about it. And and, you know, Norm Norm, a genius. Yeah. A genius. But anyway, so commonsenseohioshow.com, where we're bringing at you an Ohio centric view of the world. And why does that matter to you? I don't know that it does, but listen up. I'll bet you you'll find something you like.
Steve Palmer [:And, really, what we're trying to do is is talk common sense to the common folks. And if you're not so common, you can listen too. But the idea is we have lost common sense.
Norm Murdock [:And I
Steve Palmer [:think in the Midwest, we have a good grounding. And, you know, as goes Ohio, so does the world, we like to say. So we're here bringing you news, not only Ohio news. That's just all boring stuff, although the tribe did win last night or no. We can't call them the tribe anymore.
Brett Johnson [:The Guardians.
Steve Palmer [:The Guardians. There you go. That doesn't make any sense. Anyway sense. So we got news with Norm starting us off. What do you got?
Norm Murdock [:Well, I think the hottest story, you know, Milton turned out to they're attributing something around 14 to 16 deaths, and that and they'll probably start including heart attacks and things that could possibly be attached to Milton. But to me, the hottest story, the thing that hit yesterday that was like a thunderclap was this TD Ameritrade, bank. It's a Toronto based bank. They're headquartered in Cherry Hill, New New Jersey, but it's a it's a foreign bank. It's the 10th largest bank in the in the United States. And they just agreed to a $3,000,000,000 settlement with the federal government for money laundering, and they're admitting it. They are not saying, you know, that this is a settlement and we do not stipulate. They're admitting that they money laundered at a in a comprehensive way, something like $600,000,000, over the counter and just like people would drop off bags of cash that were Fentanyl drug dealers.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, so they're actually laundering drug drug money. They and And where's the what's what's the origin of the bank?
Norm Murdock [:They were in Toronto. Well, they're out of Toronto. I guess that's the t and the TD. Yeah. But, TD Ameritrade, 10th largest bank, just yesterday agreed to this 3,000,000,000. And the feds are saying, we're we're still looking at all of the employees. Apparently, it was a long term, you know, investigation. And they have emails and tape recordings of of, tellers and managers and bank executives outright acknowledging that they're money laundering.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, it's unbelievable. It's stunning. And yet, I'll just say, because we were bitching about this before the show started, and yet small business people in the United States are now going to have to fill out some ridiculous beneficiary form.
Steve Palmer [:What's it what's it called, Brett?
Brett Johnson [:A corporate trans, transparency act through the BOI.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Because Common Sense Ohio LLC is is, very opaque,
Norm Murdock [:Or or or some guy who owns, you know, a packet store or or somebody who's mowing grass or everybody if you have more than a 25% interest in a small business, you gotta fill out this form or the fine is up to $500 a day.
Steve Palmer [:No. It's a 1,000 a day, wasn't it? It's
Brett Johnson [:a 1,000.
Norm Murdock [:Well, I read the fine print. It said 500.
Brett Johnson [:Okay. Okay.
Steve Palmer [:Well, right. So we don't even know.
Norm Murdock [:But yeah. It's Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:But it's it's it's expensive.
Norm Murdock [:And you gotta file this form, folks, just so you know, by January 1st. Before January 1, 2025. So you only have a couple 3 months. But at any rate, we gotta do that. But banks are exempted from this same disclosure
Steve Palmer [:form. This isn't important. We should probably get Harper, one of our accounts, on the on the horn for this because this is important. So if you and what you're really saying, Norm, is you've got an LLC out there. Say, like you said, you got a landscape business. You got a
Norm Murdock [:A corporate sub s.
Steve Palmer [:A sub s corp. Yeah. If you own some property and you stuck it in LLC Yeah. If you say you you started an LLC and you thought, man, one of these days, I'll get to this and do something with it. Like, you gotta fill this crap out. And if you don't, you get fined ridiculous amounts. Now, look, I I am not it wouldn't surprise me if there's an abatement on the fines or if there's if it doesn't get enforced exactly the way it is, but it's certainly nothing I am banking on. No.
Steve Palmer [:And, no pun intended. And it's and I am it it it appalls me that we have to do it, yet I have to do it. And, this is gonna be one of my outrageous later. So
Norm Murdock [:Mhmm. And it's only for small business. It specifically exempts large corporations. That's one of the exempted classes. So it it's insane. So this bank launders money. Right? And they don't have to disclose who the beneficiaries are of their shareholders. Right? But we do.
Steve Palmer [:Of course. And money laundering. Look. I money laundering always sort of is a confusing thing for people. See, I deal with money laundering. Why? Because I represent folks charged with crimes in both federal and state courts around the country at times. And a lot of federal cases, particularly drug cases, have a component of money laundering, and my client sees that charge. And I'm like, what the hell does that mean? I I didn't launder any money.
Steve Palmer [:Because they're thinking, like, what you're thinking? I've dropped stacks of cash to some, like, you know, what was the olive oil business in the godfather or something, and then I get it back. And, you know, it's not it doesn't have to be that formal. Anything you buy with drug money and then later sort of dispose of and get the money back Yeah. Say a car and you sold a car and it comes back to you, that that money sound now looks apparently clean. And, so that's money laundering. So anytime you're engaged in transactions with illegal money, that becomes money laundering. It's a pretty broad definition. This one particularly, though, seems like it's the old fashioned kind.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. I'm gonna bring in, this x dollars. I'd like to know how the scheme worked. I'd like to know how it was coming back to the,
Norm Murdock [:They said that, 600,000,000 would be deposited in one of the means of getting the money back out of the bank, you know, surreptitiously, basically, was, 40,000,000 of it was withdrawn at ATM machines.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. So I'm just Yeah. Yeah. So you you
Brett Johnson [:How much money is in an ATM machine?
Steve Palmer [:Well, no. This is what you're saying is
Norm Murdock [:this is a very
Steve Palmer [:organized scheme.
Brett Johnson [:Like, still. You know Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:This is a very organized scheme.
Brett Johnson [:That's a lot of money flowing out of an ATM machine.
Steve Palmer [:Well, no. I mean, it it's over this this time frame.
Norm Murdock [:Machines. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:So but that tells you you've got that tells you you've got, like, operatives around taking money out. I mean, this is a pretty, well organized scheme. And it was done by agreement with the SEC, you said, or, the,
Norm Murdock [:It was, Merrick Garland held the press conference, so it's the DOJ.
Steve Palmer [:It's the DOJ. Alright. Are they pleading guilty to something, or is it a civil penalty?
Norm Murdock [:Well, if this so far is civil, but Garland and the DOJ guys at the press conference said, they're they are going to go after individual bank, employees.
Steve Palmer [:Like Not the big bank?
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah. People at TD Ameritrade.
Steve Palmer [:But not the not the bank itself corporately, Or this is the sanction for the bank corporately.
Norm Murdock [:This is the sanction for the bank corporately.
Steve Palmer [:So look. When everybody if you're an individual member of the bank and you need some help, all you have to do is call me. Palmer Legal Defense, 614-224-6142.
Norm Murdock [:And we were we remember Ohio's scandal with the energy company, First Energy. They settled. Right? And they thought, oh, they're gonna you know, Ohio would be happy, you know, with just the money. And and it was like, oh, not really. No. Then they went after the executives and they're going to prison Yeah. Or they're already in.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. So,
Norm Murdock [:the other the other really hot thing that's been going on is this dialogue back and forth with Kamala on Milton and on Helene. And it's gotten really ugly between her and Ron DeSantis. And it's there it's gone back and forth. So I I asked, producer Dan, at some point in the broadcast, he'll insert a slide probably post production. But Mark Levin, who who himself was a prosecutor with the DOJ, put together a a slide of what has happened, what has transpired during the Biden Harris administration. 13,099 convicted murderers, 15,811 rapists and sex criminals, 425,431,431 Convicts, 350 terrorists, and 325,000 unaccompanied minors have come in under their jurisdiction. And these are people that ICE knows about. This is from a letter to ICE dated July 2024 to congressman Tony Gonzalez of Texas.
Norm Murdock [:All of this information came out recently. And Kamala has been blaming Trump for somehow killing some some magic bill that would solve everything. And I just wanna go through what that bill does.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. We need to break that because this is everywhere. It's like the all of the talking point for all the new It's a talking.
Norm Murdock [:You like We could
Steve Palmer [:have fixed it. I mean, forget about the fact that when when we had Trump look. Say what you want about Trump. But when Trump was president, we didn't have these border crossings. Yeah. When Biden became president, we did. So look. You can you can say that Biden couldn't have stopped it, but he certainly started it.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Right. And I think in that interview with CBS, which we can get to, but the guy the guy interviewing on 60 minutes, Kamala, said several times, but it it skyrocketed under you and Joe. Don't you regret that? She would of course, she danced around. But what that bill would have done, okay, let's let's do the first part. It would have locked in this concept that Biden had in his head of 5,000 people per day would be allowed to come in before the bill would give him the right, which he already has this right, but the bill would have given him the right after 5,000 a day average is exceeded
Steve Palmer [:to 5000 a day average? Average. So average over what period of time?
Norm Murdock [:That's a good question, but I think it was a monthly average. And if the if the average went over 5,000 per day, then he had the right to shut
Steve Palmer [:the door. 0.825000000 a year.
Norm Murdock [:That's what Mark Levin pointed out.
Steve Palmer [:With with It's almost too bad. Any intervention.
Norm Murdock [:Without any intervention.
Steve Palmer [:So yeah. I mean,
Norm Murdock [:so what it would have done is, you know, it would have put into law basically 2,000,000 illegals a year before the president can do anything.
Steve Palmer [:So it's Trump's fault for pooh pooh ing it. And and Trump's not even in congress nor is he president. Well, he They're saying that Trump influenced congress to make it political.
Norm Murdock [:So this is really important to understand, folks. This bill never hit the floor of the senate. This bill was voted down in senate committee, and guess who voted against it? So Kamala and Joe have been saying it was a bipartisan bill, and that's because there was one single Republican who voted for it, Lisa Murkowski, senator from Alaska. Guess who voted against it? Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders. They voted against it. So why isn't Kamala condemning those 3?
Steve Palmer [:I didn't know that.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Well, nobody knows it because the media
Steve Palmer [:won't dig
Norm Murdock [:into these things. So it was it was voted down by the most radically left people on that committee. Yeah. I'm case closed. Like, if you wanna say Trump killed this bill, go interview Elizabeth Warren who voted against it and ask her why she killed the bill.
Steve Palmer [:Well, you started talking about, Good god. You started talking about the hurricanes and DeSantis and and Harris. I've been sort of watching this, and I I I don't honestly think this stuff moves the needle for the election one way or another. Yeah. Other than to say this, DeSantis is damn good at handling hurricanes. Right?
Brett Johnson [:Oh, well, hell yeah.
Steve Palmer [:You know? Yeah. It's like Yeah. You can say what you want about that man. You can say he wasn't presidential material. You can say that whatever. I don't care what you say about the guy. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:He gets it.
Steve Palmer [:The guy gets it done. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:He's competent.
Steve Palmer [:Gets it done. Right. And and All business.
Norm Murdock [:All business.
Steve Palmer [:On both sides of this, if you don't recognize that, then you're not being genuine about it. Mhmm.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:Which is where Kamala sort of ended up. She so Kamala Harris says she picks up the phone, and she calls Ron. Right? Is, is it Martin coming through? And,
Norm Murdock [:Milton.
Steve Palmer [:Or Milton. Sorry.
Norm Murdock [:Gotcha.
Steve Palmer [:Milton coming through.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And Ron's like, I didn't even get the call. I I'm like, I'm busy. And he probably knew she called. But he doesn't take the call, and he doesn't call her back. Now she gets her panties in a bunch about this and, starts saying, well, you know, we're trying to help, and I don't know what's going on, and starts casting aspersions at DeSantis, which you can't do. Right? So look, take your throw your aspersions when they fit, but this one doesn't fit.
Norm Murdock [:Doesn't fit.
Steve Palmer [:Because DeSantis is good at this, and he doesn't need or want Kamala Harris's help nor can she offer any. No. Like, FEMA is not under her direct control right now. It's like, what's she gonna do? She is making political she's trying to make this a political, I don't know what I'm trying to say. She's trying to make it political. She
Norm Murdock [:ain't out.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And then she's accusing DeSantis of making it political by not answering her calls because she's trying to make it political.
Norm Murdock [:She wants to be in on it. She wants to be a star in this recovery. Yeah. And she's all over the weather channel, for god's sake.
Steve Palmer [:What does she know about hurricanes?
Norm Murdock [:What the hell?
Steve Palmer [:It's, like, it's it's so insane.
Norm Murdock [:It's insane.
Steve Palmer [:What we know is that we know that hurricanes happen. And when they happen, we know that we have to make it important that we help people who are hurt by hurricanes when they happen. I mean, she says crap like that. And recoveries are not abound by previous recoveries because Right. You know,
Norm Murdock [:whatever happens in the past, it doesn't encumber the future recovery.
Steve Palmer [:Right. And so it's like I it's just so stupid. But I also think look. On both sides, whether the Republicans are trying to criticize Harris for this. I don't think this moves the needle on the election. I think everybody realizes what's going on on both sides.
Norm Murdock [:I just hope those people get to vote.
Steve Palmer [:But I I will say
Norm Murdock [:They do deserve the right to vote. I hope I hope people in Western North Carolina and down there on Treasure Island, Florida
Steve Palmer [:They'll get to vote.
Norm Murdock [:You know. I hope somehow.
Steve Palmer [:Look. Look. DeSantis, as I said, the only takeaway I have from this is that he knows how to deal with the damn hurricane problem because he deals with it all the time. Yeah. And he's he's a logistics guy. He's good at it.
Brett Johnson [:Practice makes perfect. Yeah. He's had to deal with a lot
Steve Palmer [:of people. A military logistics guy. He just sort of comes off that way. It's like, do this, do this, do this, do this. And he's got he's got brass. He doesn't, he does what needs to be done. He doesn't care about pissing people
Norm Murdock [:off. Steve, get this statistic. I mean, this shows this reinforces your point. 30,000 of those bucket trucks were amassed in Florida to repeat ahead of time. Yeah. By rocket linemen waiting at in the Waiting to go. 30,000.
Steve Palmer [:How many I forget how many trucks. I forget how many linemen he had waiting. So for for those who don't know, linemen, these guys, they go around chasing storms. My buddy trains is a safety trainer for a power lineman. Yeah. And so I sort of get the inside scoop on. That's cool. And these guys the like, this is a roughneck job.
Steve Palmer [:You know? Oh, yeah. It's a dangerous job.
Norm Murdock [:Dangerous.
Steve Palmer [:These guys take pride in their job. They work hard. They travel around, fixing problems that people have when these storms hit. Yeah. And, they literally make your lights come on. Right? Well, the day
Norm Murdock [:to your point, the day after Milton hit, there were 11 to 13,000,000 households without power. As of this morning, I mean, we're we're just like a day after, you know. Yeah. This morning, it's down to 3,000,000. Yeah. And that's and that's what happened.
Steve Palmer [:I should get my buddy on. Well, that's what happens. We do an interview with him.
Norm Murdock [:When you got 30,000 of your buddies, you know, mustered and ready to go.
Brett Johnson [:It'd be interesting this strategic strategy behind it. Okay. How do you attack this? Yeah. How do you do this?
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And and are these people independent? Do they work for different sort? I know they they sort of pluck them around. Yeah. Right. And but, you know, I think what's important about these guys is that these are the this these are the country. These guys are the country. These are the guys that go out and they make it happen, and they do it quietly. They do it, and they do it for money.
Brett Johnson [:Of course.
Steve Palmer [:They do it. They make good money doing it. And. But they're willing to do it. And I've I've seen the post because I I hunt with some of these guys, and I'm friends with a lot of them. And they they take pride in it.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, yeah.
Steve Palmer [:They take pride in their job. And and when they make the lights come on, they feel good. And they feel good because they helped. Yeah. And and that is something that needs to be recognized more in our country.
Norm Murdock [:Mhmm. I agree with that.
Steve Palmer [:Because it's not FEMA. No. Right? It's not the government fixing it. These are these are grassroots dudes, and I'm sure there's some gals too. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And they're working for people like AEP or private contractors
Steve Palmer [:or whatever. Their time with their family to go down and do it. And they're doing it for money. I get it. But and they party hard.
Norm Murdock [:So are firemen and police and
Steve Palmer [:then it's fine.
Norm Murdock [:You know?
Brett Johnson [:But but they're doing it. We better pay them.
Steve Palmer [:We better They're doing it, and I'm not. Right? So it's like That's right. Hats off, guys. Right. Hats off.
Norm Murdock [:Yes. Big time, man. You know it. Here in Ohio, turning to some Ohio news, a rather incredible complaint waffled into Frank LaRosa's office, our secretary of state, and it came from a trainee election station, volunteer. So she's getting her training in Fairfield County, Ohio. And her supervisor answers her question. She says, well, what about this requirement I'm reading in my little handbook here that I am to ask for voter ID? You know, like picture ID. Right? I'm gonna match this ID to that person so that, you know, paperwork matches the human being in front of me.
Norm Murdock [:And the supervisor said, we're not the ID police. You're not gonna do that. And if you do that, I'm gonna have you escorted out of here, and you will never be allowed to work in a voting, precinct again as an elections officer. So she filed a complaint with Frank LaRose, and he exploded over this. He has he has warned Ohio elections officials in all these counties and precincts that if they do not use the Ohio voter ID requirement, there will be and I don't know what this means, but Frank said, he's a Green Beret, and he said severe consequences.
Steve Palmer [:Well, that's ironic because California now, Gav, as a
Norm Murdock [:It is ironic.
Steve Palmer [:Gavin Newsom has passed a law making it a crime Yes. For any local electoral commission or body to require ID. So it's like you can't pass a law requiring ID. The spectrum.
Brett Johnson [:Oh my god.
Norm Murdock [:Completely the opposite.
Steve Palmer [:That they've done the opposite.
Norm Murdock [:And you gotta ask yourself, just, like, as a rational person, why would anybody sign legislation that says you cannot
Steve Palmer [:are you trying to do?
Norm Murdock [:Verify with a photo ID What
Steve Palmer [:are you trying to do?
Norm Murdock [:That the person is this person.
Brett Johnson [:When a photo ID is available, they're readily available to most people.
Norm Murdock [:For free in Ohio. Yeah. Because
Brett Johnson [:for or minimally through through
Norm Murdock [:a city. DMV does it free.
Brett Johnson [:Exactly. Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:If you're
Norm Murdock [:a non driver, they'll give you an ID.
Steve Palmer [:It's a good temporary idea. It's like $10 even if it's not free. Right.
Brett Johnson [:It's like look. It yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And for
Norm Murdock [:voting, they made it free.
Steve Palmer [:Well, they should. Right? Yeah. Right. If well, I know I'm not saying they should. I'm saying this.
Brett Johnson [:But
Steve Palmer [:Is that there are people out there Yes. Who do not have the means to go get an identification card Give it to them. Then give it to them for free so they can go vote.
Brett Johnson [:Yes.
Steve Palmer [:I I I will happily
Norm Murdock [:I'll I'll donate.
Steve Palmer [:I I hereby I hereby agree to use my tax dollars for such purposes. You bet. Although you're gonna wash it through, like, 500 people in some department somewhere that pays rent and all the other stuff.
Norm Murdock [:Being $3,000 per ID.
Steve Palmer [:For 3,000 ID. Right. So Right. But I I I'm still okay with it. Yeah. Just to shut people up that voter ID is racist because it's not. Yeah. Of course, it's not.
Steve Palmer [:And if you ask any minority, are you able to get an ID? They'd be like, what are you freaking talking about, you dumbass? Of course, I'm able to get
Norm Murdock [:you guys IDs all the time.
Steve Palmer [:Think think think how condescending that is.
Norm Murdock [:It's it's ridiculous.
Steve Palmer [:It's all BS. It is all a lie. Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies. To say that people can't get IDs because they're underprivileged, it's, like, it's so stupid.
Norm Murdock [:Or that it's intimidating.
Steve Palmer [:You know, it's intimidating to go get an ID. It's like, look. How what are we doing? What? What are you It's all nonsense. So then you have to ask why what's the real agenda? Sure. What's the real agenda? I
Norm Murdock [:mean, there's certain chemicals. Not
Steve Palmer [:you you you if you
Norm Murdock [:go down to Tractor Supply and you wanna buy fertilizer or you wanna buy certain chemicals, like just at a retail store. Oh you gotta have a photo ID.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Or even the, decongestant. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Oh yeah. To buy a nasal spray.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:You have to have you have to go to the if it's got a federal Well
Norm Murdock [:that guy that blew up the Oklahoma, federal building. Right? He did it with fertilizer.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Fertilizers.
Norm Murdock [:You know? So yeah. They they wanna know who you are if you buy that in bulk.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. Well Sure. Sure. Wow. Is that racist?
Norm Murdock [:I don't know. If you're a Latino landscaper and you buy fertilizer, He's presenting an ID for that. Why can't he do that for voting? I mean, who can't what what the hell is the problem?
Steve Palmer [:Anybody so so to me, it seems so obvious. We should have as many reasonable protections as we can to make sure the person casting the vote is the person who's supposed to cast the vote. Right? Yeah. Seems easy. I think it's like a very easy thing.
Brett Johnson [:I think maybe the finger in the dye thing again, maybe? Yeah. No. That's kind of after you've done it. He's like, yeah. I vote, dude. That kinda stops the voting 3 or 4 times, but but afterwards.
Norm Murdock [:The other the other little piece of Ohio News because because we had him on the show, it's interesting to track this Bernie Moreno versus Sherrod Brown. Basically, I looked apparently, there are 26 polls on this. And I I'm I'm calling it a dead heat. I I I it looks to me
Steve Palmer [:We gotta reach out to Bernie, see if he wants to join us again.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. It seems He's
Steve Palmer [:not busy, is he?
Norm Murdock [:It's not a smart. Not a smart. It seems to me that, like, that that's a toss-up, which is shocking because Jared's had that job for a long time.
Steve Palmer [:You know what's interesting? Here's what here's my take on this is that as I watch various media sources on my phone, not that I scroll a lot, but I do watch you know, it's where I watch my news now. Yeah. There's an ad. It seems like every other thing I watch is an ad either for or against Sherrod Brown and or Bernie Marina. It's like that is a there's a lot of dollars getting thrown out there. I think it's more on behalf of Sherrod Brown
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And less on behalf in other words, there's more negative ads I'm seeing about Bernie Moreno. Yeah. And they're all abortion related.
Norm Murdock [:They're really trying to scare people, but particularly women, that Bernie is gonna sign or introduce or do something with a national abortion ban. And Trump has already said he won't sign it.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And if Kamala gets elected, obviously, she won't sign it. Yeah. So it's a it's just scare tactics.
Steve Palmer [:It's a nothing burger.
Brett Johnson [:Well and and it's we've talked about this too is that you've gotta ignore those ads. I I You you have to because it's all scare tactics. Not I'm I'll give a percentage. 75% of it's horseshit. It is. It just is, and and they get away with it because they can get away with it.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Yep.
Brett Johnson [:They they they the the the parties can do that. They they if it's a lie, it's a lie. It doesn't matter. They're not gonna be put in jail for it and such. But yeah.
Norm Murdock [:I agree.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. I, I've got a little bit of Ohio news too. This this flew under the radar, but just caught my eye for some reason that, in October, DeWine and well, it's Ohio corporate welfare, basically. The Ohio development Department of Development, along with DeWine and and Houston, they put this this meat processing industry grant together a couple years ago. So they've awarded $14,000,000 to meat processing industry to help them put money into their business. I mean, they may need upgrades. That's where
Steve Palmer [:okay.
Brett Johnson [:So so it what caught my eyes, I'm looking at the winners of this per county, mostly in, you know, local rural counties. That's where the meat processing plants are.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And a
Brett Johnson [:couple of caught my eye going, those are multimillion dollar companies. Why are they getting $500,000 of grant money
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:To you know, the small guys I get. I mean, and a couple of them I looked at is what, and I'll call them out. Ohio Farm Packing out of Creston, Ohio. They have a from what I researched, we're a revenue of $65,500,000, and they got 309,000.
Steve Palmer [:That's a gross revenue. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Gerber Poultry out of Kedron, Ohio. From what I saw, reported a 180 180, $600,000 in revenue. They received a half a $1,000,000 grand. You know, a Case Farm processing out of, Winesburg, Ohio. They're owned out of North Carolina.
Steve Palmer [:And they have a local company.
Brett Johnson [:And they have a local company and they got, half a $1,000,000 and they've they've got 35 100 employees. Now there were some that made sense. There was one out of, Bidwell, Ohio for RNC Packing. Four employees. Again, this is what I saw reported. Revenue of a half a $1,000,000. They received a half a $1,000,000 in green.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. So maybe they can use it.
Brett Johnson [:They could probably use it to upgrade stuff. That that I can I can look at This is where the parameters It's like, you gotta be kidding me?
Steve Palmer [:It's always the same with government handouts like this. And it's like it it's it's never it's always judged by the purpose, never the outcome. Right. So it's like, look, we're gonna we have this grant because we wanna help the meat packers, and we wanna help people do this, and it's gonna drive down prices for you. It's not gonna do any of those things, first of all. No. What it's gonna do is simply put money in the people's pockets who are giving money to the people who are giving out the money.
Brett Johnson [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:And and And and support. Right? Right. I I know. Look. I am I am surmising this. You're talking
Norm Murdock [:about money laundering.
Steve Palmer [:So look. Yeah. But that's what it is. These are special interests, and they're getting paid out.
Norm Murdock [:Right. And and
Brett Johnson [:And a lot of these small packing, meat packing are great because they're the they're the local guys that are 4 or 5 employees that they're taking the deer that you shot. Yes. And they're and they're running
Steve Palmer [:They'll process it. They'll process it for free and hand it out to the homeless guy.
Brett Johnson [:Exactly. They will. Or, you know, small farmer that's got 4 or 5 head of of of cattle, and they need it slaughtered and Man. Cut up. And they're not doing it on their own. They're doing it.
Steve Palmer [:This is like COVID. This is like COVID. Right? Well, so you they imposed COVID restrictions, and all the big companies just scored big. They benefited big time, and all the little guys went out of business. Yeah. And and because everybody's getting like, look at all the PPP fraud that went on with these bigger companies. They didn't need the PPP money. They didn't need it at all.
Norm Murdock [:No.
Steve Palmer [:And, they Walmart was still open. Yeah. Mom and pop was
Norm Murdock [:McDonald's was open, but your local pizzeria had to shut down.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Yeah. Mitchell shut down. McDonald's open.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Explain that.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Steve Palmer [:I can't.
Norm Murdock [:And when you eat, you could take your mask down. Yeah. Yeah. Because suddenly, like, you you wouldn't Well, the pizza stopped.
Brett Johnson [:You know? Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:It is pizza.
Norm Murdock [:So I have to say, philosophically, because because we talked a little bit about FEMA philosophically.
Steve Palmer [:A second. Let me let me let me let me just I have one more thought I wanted to make.
Norm Murdock [:Go go, man.
Steve Palmer [:And that is this doesn't do anything to help the problem. So their goal is to drive prices down, I'm sure, or help or do whatever. It's not gonna do a damn thing to do that. No. And if it were if whatever the market will bear Yeah. These guys will upgrade their equipment as they need to. Yeah. And if they can't, they're gonna go out of business, and somebody else who can will come in.
Steve Palmer [:And I hate to say it. I'm not I'm not wishing people out of business. Right. But when you start putting your thumb on the scale that helps the big guys, it's gonna hurt the little guys more. Well,
Norm Murdock [:yes, Steve. Well, and I and I love Let the let the market fix it.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. And I love Houston's
Norm Murdock [:Oh, and let the market fix it.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. I love Houston's, comment to this. He said so he says, quote, much of our meat today comes from large industrial farms and processors. And these grants help local farmers in Ohio serve their local customers with locally grown high quality meats.
Norm Murdock [:I forgot.
Brett Johnson [:These grants allow small businesses Yeah. To create this efficiency and predict productivity they need to compete and provide locally grown food at an affordable price. Houston, you don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. You don't know where the money's at. Good though.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, it sounds fantastic
Steve Palmer [:in the
Brett Johnson [:press release.
Norm Murdock [:So here's my here's my philosophical problem with all of this. I am sure that these Ohio businesses went crabbing to the state government because they have evidence that Indiana and Kentucky and Pennsylvania state governments are somehow subsidizing their competitors. And so, hey. We need help too. And this is how we got to the CHIPS Act with, you know, chip making, and it's 20,000,000,000 for Intel. And I say, well, what about the competitors that didn't get the money? Number 1. And number 2, and I know, Steve, you will you will help me on this, but I I always have a problem with this phrase, equal protection in our constitution. And to me, what this whole idea of giving money to Solyndra and these companies that, you know, even Tesla that take the money and and it's goes right to their bottom line, and it it makes money for the owners of those companies at the expense of of us, the taxpayers.
Steve Palmer [:Right.
Norm Murdock [:And I'm like I'm like, why doesn't equal protection simply say that if you're gonna give half a $1,000,000 to this little meat cutting company, right, then you gotta give a half $1,000,000 to to Dan, the producer, for his company and for Steve's law firm and for me and my automobile parts business.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Why why do some companies get this federal and state largesse and the rest of us don't? It's not equal protection. And I know I read that as a simple person reading the constitution, but the constitution was written for farmers and and tradesmen. It wasn't written for supreme court justices. And and to me, equal protection means, hey, man. You treat us all the same. Right. You know? And if and if I am running intel into the ground as management and I gotta go bankrupt, like Steve says, let the market work. Some other business will pop up.
Steve Palmer [:And look. You could equal the the discussed on the equal protection clause is probably goes beyond the scope of what we're doing here today.
Brett Johnson [:Yes. It does.
Steve Palmer [:But but your your point is this, is that it when when the government starts to try to influence this kind of stuff Yeah. Like they did when the car industry subsidizing Yeah. All the electric cars.
Norm Murdock [:Green energy like Solyndra. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And nobody nobody wants an electric car. And before the government paid for all the electric cars with our money, nobody wanted electrical cars. After the government paid for electrical cars with our money, nobody wants electrical cars. So now it's just money that's burned. Like you said, it's gone to their bottom line. They don't give a crap because they got the government money to do it. And and now we're now we're just there's a bunch of cars that don't sell.
Steve Palmer [:They're gonna go into scrap heap and do some environmental investigation on what happens to those batteries. I mean, it's like Yeah. This is, it is government lunacy. And it and like I said, this is Thomas Sowell. These these programs are always judged by their intent, not their not their outcome. Yep. And, the intent sounds great. We're gonna get rid of we're gonna we're gonna loosen the grip of that fossil fuels has on us Right.
Norm Murdock [:And we're
Steve Palmer [:gonna do or we're gonna help the meat packers and get local meats. Where's the money go? To the big guys who now it's in North Carolina, wherever that is. Right? So Or
Norm Murdock [:it just gets frittered away.
Steve Palmer [:It gets frittered away. What do they care? Like, all the COVID money that people didn't need, like, the PPP money, it just went right in their bank accounts. They remodeled their And
Brett Johnson [:even then even if they follow the so these companies get half a1000000, are they going in and inspecting that that half a1000000 was invested in in a better cutting system?
Norm Murdock [:In some sensible way.
Steve Palmer [:And then and then I get calls later because these people, they're doing what you said. They're not using it for that. They're using it to buy new stuff. Yeah. And, then they then they get later prosecuted because the program doesn't work, and then the people who got the money get prosecuted because they use the money for some purpose that they shouldn't have. Right. And the government blames them for the failure of the program.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:It it's it's it's an age old story.
Norm Murdock [:And the thing is, if the state of Ohio has money to play Santa Claus like this, we're overtaxed. This is evidence that we're overtaxed. Taxed.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. But there's no question about that.
Norm Murdock [:But the state of Ohio has money to go around and play Santa Claus Yeah. To private business and give them checks.
Brett Johnson [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Right.
Norm Murdock [:You know? I would feel less offended, frankly, if they went into the hood and found young teenagers that wanna start, I don't know, whatever business. They wanna be an Uber driver, but they don't have a car. I would feel better if they went in and found impoverished youth, you know, who who who who show some sense of wanting to work and say, hey. Instead of laying on the couch, how about we give you $5,000? You go buy a beat up Honda Accord and start delivering pizzas with it.
Brett Johnson [:And start up some incubators, basically.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:That I mean, instead of this bullshit.
Brett Johnson [:Business incubators in in neighborhoods that need that type of demand.
Steve Palmer [:So I'm
Norm Murdock [:not in favor of that, but I'm saying But no. That would be a better use.
Brett Johnson [:It would be a better first, in
Norm Murdock [:my opinion.
Brett Johnson [:Because the investment, you'd see the ROI pretty quickly.
Norm Murdock [:Well, we're helping our college students, right, with this loan program and all that. Why not help out blue collar kids in the inner city
Brett Johnson [:It's right back to that.
Norm Murdock [:That maybe wanna buy some tools, be a car mechanic or whatever the hell.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Yeah. Or At any rate. Fixing up homes or whatever the case might be. You bet.
Norm Murdock [:Super aggravating.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Now my blood pressure's up. Thanks, Steve.
Steve Palmer [:You bet.
Norm Murdock [:Little international news. I I hate to hammer on this because I'm sure I am I'm some kind of anti Semite, right, for even broaching this subject. But if it is true, and I've heard the range between 20,040,000 Gazans have been killed by the IDF, in the IDF's war of retribution against Hamas. I'm totally in favor of Israel killing Hamas. Why are you killing 20 to 40000 Gazan civilians in order to kill the terrorists? Why don't you just drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and get it out? I mean Yeah. I mean, I why don't you just Hiroshima the thing? If if if your idea is, well, we can't surgically strike the terrorists, so we gotta kill everybody, that is not moral. That is wrong. That is and Israelis know it's wrong.
Norm Murdock [:The Jewish people are a brilliant people, and and this number keeps going up. And now I have heard that 1 fourth of the Lebanese population are on refugee status, A quarter of the country. Right? Because Israel's now invaded Lebanon, they wanna create a buffer zone. I get it. You don't like Hezbollah missiles. I get it. I'm with you. Why don't you shoot all the missile sites? Instead, you're hitting the Irish UN peacekeepers, and you're displacing a fourth of the Lebanese population to go after specific Hezbollah people.
Norm Murdock [:There's gotta be a better way for you to fight this war because now it's a forefront war. You've got Israel fighting in Lebanon. They're fighting in Gaza. They're fighting in the West Bank, and they're going to because of that 180 missile strike by Iran. They're gonna do something to Iran. And that's the 4th front.
Steve Palmer [:See you later. That's Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And we our United States Navy is parked in the Mediterranean acting as air defense for Israel. So we're shooting down when when when Iran sent those missiles over, our navy ships, like the USS Cole, shot down.
Brett Johnson [:Did you see the video of that? A bunch of those. That was
Steve Palmer [:Pretty cool stuff.
Brett Johnson [:That was pretty I mean, I'd never I mean
Norm Murdock [:But guys guys
Brett Johnson [:We oh, weird cool, but you know what I mean?
Norm Murdock [:My prob my problem is there's been no war powers authorization by congress to allow Biden to do this. There's no declaration of war. And Kamala says, we have no personnel in a war zone. Oh, come on, man. Yeah. Oh, come on. Like
Steve Palmer [:Well, this is but look. You can't just you can't just blame Biden. Like, every president's done this since essentially World War 2.
Norm Murdock [:Go get, like well and I disagree with all of them ex except for the ones that got war powers. That's what I mean. So Lyndon Johnson Lyndon Johnson after the, Gulf of Tonkin attack, he went to Congress and got you know what I'm saying? I mean, at least you But
Steve Palmer [:they crossed into Cambodia anyway.
Norm Murdock [:Right. I mean, they exceeded the brief. What I'm saying is Biden should be coming to the American people and saying, we're slowly getting involved in these wars in Ukraine and and in the Middle East, and I need your buy in. Do you want me to do this as your president? Yes. No.
Steve Palmer [:Well, look. Go back. You can turn back the clock even separately on or a little bit differently on this is that, we we, the United States, under Biden, did not actively keep the peace in that part of the in part of the world. Right? And this is this is resulted. So you can criticize Israel all you want for how they're executing this. But had we have kept the peace in the first place, I don't think any of this happens.
Norm Murdock [:Well, we lifted the embargo on oil We
Steve Palmer [:lifted the embargo. You basically empower Iran. Iran uses that money to go fund all the terrorism and all this happens.
Norm Murdock [:And make And
Steve Palmer [:then when it first happens in October 7, we don't do a damn thing about it. Right. Right? Not a thing. Everybody gets up and complains a little bit that they killed all these civilians, tortured people, raped women, to the point where they died.
Norm Murdock [:Put babies in ovens.
Steve Palmer [:Put babies in ovens. So I'm with you, Israel. I'm with you. American citizens into I think how many Americans now are still captive hostages?
Norm Murdock [:Well, they don't know anymore because of all these
Steve Palmer [:They might be dead.
Norm Murdock [:They might be dead.
Steve Palmer [:But, look, we did nothing. Nothing. So Biden was riding the fence. The our administration was riding the fence on this. It has enabled this to keep going on. So the longer this goes on, the more of what you're talking about will occur. Right. Because Israel is fighting this war on their own right now.
Steve Palmer [:They're not I mean, it and I get it. We're helping them. We're giving them stuff. But but they're on their own, politically speaking. And, you know, if we want it done differently, well, then then, you know, get off the sign.
Brett Johnson [:We are in the in the driver's seat on this because what ammunition are they using?
Steve Palmer [:Well, they're using ours.
Brett Johnson [:They're using ours. So we can we can we can put a thumb on this. Like you said
Steve Palmer [:playing both sides of this fence. Right. If if if our country would have said, no. You got like, first of all, no to any of this. And I don't think it happens. By no, I mean, you've
Norm Murdock [:Well, Hamas has said it's an Iranian client, and we should have done something to Iran immediately.
Steve Palmer [:Immediately. So immediately, we put our foot down on this. And after October 7, if we get involved and say, look. You got, like, 10 minutes to bring these hostage back Yeah. Or we're involved.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Like, is there is there a problem with that even politically?
Norm Murdock [:That's right. Yeah. These are Americans. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Right. Right.
Steve Palmer [:Right? It's like
Norm Murdock [:I'll tell you what. That's how Putin deals with things.
Steve Palmer [:Stop. And
Norm Murdock [:You you step on Russia. Oh, man. It's a bad it's a bad comeback.
Steve Palmer [:And, like, the weakness causes this. Yeah. The weakness causes this.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:Like, peace through strength. That's the old Reagan term, and that's what JD was talking about in his debate. But that's the old
Norm Murdock [:That was the motto of the strategic air command. Peace through
Steve Palmer [:Was it right? Yes, sir.
Norm Murdock [:They would show, an armored out there. Right, Pat? They would show an armored, fist like a a knight would wear, a a mail a a glove of made of mail, and it would have thunderbolts in it, which were meant to represent atomic bombs. Right? And it would it would grip it like that, and it said peace through strength.
Steve Palmer [:And these SAC guys we should talk about that real quick. It's really cool stuff. Like, these guys are they're, like, 247. We had bombers in the air.
Norm Murdock [:Ready to go, man.
Steve Palmer [:Ready to go. Right. I mean, 247
Norm Murdock [:Doctor Strange love shit is real.
Steve Palmer [:Right. It's a great I think there's a great movie, a Jimmy Stewart movie where he was a sack
Norm Murdock [:on. Called strategic air command.
Steve Palmer [:Is it called Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. It's a great movie. I it's it's a good movie. Great stuff.
Norm Murdock [:Where he's a baseball player and then he
Steve Palmer [:takes his whole life through as hero of the yeah. It's good. And becomes a a sack pie. A bygone era, we shall say. Yeah. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Well, look. Let's shift over. We got some news
Steve Palmer [:and justice. You got anything you want me to talk about? Yeah. The news and justice. So Justice for all, we'll call it whatever we call it. I really need
Norm Murdock [:Steve's expertise on this. So I heard on the radio, the the head of the FOP discussing this raid that went on Saturday night here in Columbus, and, apparently, it was triggered. Get this. A bunch of hoodlums from Cincinnati and Columbus decided to go to Cleveland and do a street takeover in Cleveland in downtown Cleveland. So they're doing stunts, reckless operations, speeding, drag racing, doing wheelies, all this stuff. And I guess that was, like, some kind of, like, hey. Yo, Cleveland, we're gonna invade your space and not so then the racers in Cleveland, apparently, gave the the Columbus police a tip that a similar event was gonna happen on on Alum Creek Drive here in Columbus at the DSW warehouse in their parking lot. So the Columbus police, Franklin County, and the Ohio State Highway Patrol raided this meet late Saturday night.
Norm Murdock [:They arrested a 186 people, impounded 69 cars, found 16 firearms. Whether they were legal or not, I don't know. But they confiscated 16 guns, and nobody has really said what these people are being charged with. I I've read every news story that I can find, and the only thing I heard on the radio was, our friend, Brian Steele of the FOP said many of these people will get reckless ops. But when they when the media interviewed the people arrested, most of them said, we were spectators. The guys actually doing the racing left before the cops died. So, Steve, I don't know what the hell.
Steve Palmer [:I don't know. I mean, like, what
Norm Murdock [:are you gonna charge him with? Loitering? Or, like,
Steve Palmer [:what's the truth?
Brett Johnson [:Trespassing, maybe.
Steve Palmer [:Trespassing. You know, there's like, like, drag racing is against the law.
Norm Murdock [:But they're on private property?
Steve Palmer [:It's still against the
Norm Murdock [:law. Okay. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Okay. I think it's still against the law.
Brett Johnson [:But the but the who those who were drag drag racing were gone.
Norm Murdock [:That's what the spectators claim.
Steve Palmer [:So maybe maybe street rate maybe it's not. Maybe on private property, you can do it. There are probably some permit things that you need to get if you're gonna hose or hose
Brett Johnson [:that goes back to
Steve Palmer [:trespassing then.
Brett Johnson [:So maybe That's what's that DSW.
Norm Murdock [:Who
Steve Palmer [:knows? Parking line. Yeah. Look. They they they made a much ado about nothing, it sounds like. And Yeah. And I love I love how they say we found
Brett Johnson [:16 firearms.
Steve Palmer [:Like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like, did Were they under crime against
Brett Johnson [:owning a firearm. Legitimizing it. The raid. Yeah. Which is 16 officers.
Steve Palmer [:Usually, they talk about the cash. Do 16 firearms and we seize $10,000 worth of cash. So I'm gonna
Norm Murdock [:I'm gonna confess something. So I'll confess something. I went to one of these. Okay? I took my Mustang there, and my intent was to show the kids, you can do this shit on a racetrack. So I took my Mustang there. It had all the SCCA big numbers, all the sponsors. And and it was like I was, Honey and they were Honeybees. There were all of these teenage kids and young twenties kids all over my car asking me, you know, like, what do you and I'm like, guys, for $30, you can go to Fortress Obetz.
Norm Murdock [:They have these autocrosses for $30. Right. It like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? And and so I was just basically there as a goodwill thing and I'm thinking to myself, what hell if Brian Steele would have caught me there? Now I love Brian, but, like, Brian, are you just impounding cars because they were there? Like, I I don't understand what they would charge them.
Brett Johnson [:I ran across one of those it it it was like 10 o'clock at night at a Walmart parking lot. They're in Tuttle Mall area. That's the thing. And it was just lined with cars, but it was a, like, kind of a quasi car show.
Norm Murdock [:Kind of a fuel toy. Probably few food trucks.
Brett Johnson [:It's and probably something. It's like, I thought that was a really cool idea, and it takes kids off the street. I know. Just looking at cars and stuff.
Steve Palmer [:Drag racing on public streets is against the law.
Norm Murdock [:That's crazy. It's it's crazy to do that. That's insane.
Steve Palmer [:People do it all the time. It's so dangerous. Or they'll go like, I've I've I've heard tell of people, like, going down to some street on the south side of Columbus where it's not real busy at night, and everybody sort of comes around, blocks off the street, and they drag race. Police come, they all run away. But this sounds like it was on private property. I don't know why. Yeah. I I don't know.
Steve Palmer [:My guess is it requires some sort of permitting, and, certainly, it's dangerous anyway because it's dangerous.
Norm Murdock [:Apparently, I won't say who, but let's just put it this way. Columbus's most famous race car driver, and I'll just let he won the Indy 500. I'll just let it go at that. Holds the record for a a lap of I 27. And I'm and apparently, there are people apparent yeah. It's not too big of a leap to figure out who that was.
Steve Palmer [:Really?
Norm Murdock [:I don't wanna say his name because I don't know if it's true
Steve Palmer [:or not.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. But, there are people doing that today. They say that they're late at night, you know, 3, 4 in the morning, cops really aren't radaring, and there's guys out there with their Suzuki's or their
Brett Johnson [:They're doing it at 9 o'clock at night Because we I we live in You've seen it?
Norm Murdock [:You've seen it? You hear it. Yeah.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, you hear those crockratchets, and it's it's all along the west side on
Steve Palmer [:Tucson. Nothing.
Brett Johnson [:Oh, yeah. That it's nasty.
Steve Palmer [:That's crazy. I get my son doesn't understand why he gets so upset at this. Because, you know, he's at that age where he thinks motorcycles are cool and everything. And you see these jackasses on their bikes Oh, god. In traffic doing their wheelies and taking their videos and doing all the stuff.
Norm Murdock [:They are deadly.
Steve Palmer [:I get so pissed off. Yeah. And Matt's like, why are you so upset? They're just gonna I was like, because he's gonna make me kill him.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:He's gonna he's gonna crash, and I've gotta I've gotta feel what it feels like and live with what it feels like. So run over him.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:And and see the the the hamburger behind me.
Norm Murdock [:Yep. Oh, god.
Steve Palmer [:And it it it's like, damn it. Yeah. What's wrong with you, Pete? It's like, go do that on a track somewhere.
Norm Murdock [:Go down to National Trail Drag Race or go to Mid Ohio or go to Fortress Ob. That's an autocross. You know? So, apparently, there is some kind of minister. And this this goes back to the beginnings of the NHRA back in Southern California. There's some minister who just announced, I think, in yesterday's dispatch, that he is going to try to create a motorsports alternative for local youth. Well, that that that's how the NHRA got founded.
Steve Palmer [:No. That's that's NASCAR.
Norm Murdock [:It was to take racing off the street and onto a track where there's a medic and a helicopter and a doctor and, you know
Steve Palmer [:It's like yeah. Fire extinguishers. Make it make a club. Make it safe. Yeah. Alright. Well, look. Let's get to our last segment.
Steve Palmer [:Wonderfully outrageous or outrageously wonderful. Whatever your take. Norm, you go first.
Norm Murdock [:My so since I picked on Melania last week, I'm going to be on her side with this outrage. Melania's new book discusses that she and president Trump were debanked. And, apparently, this is something I just heard about from a friend of mine a couple of years ago who got out of prison and could not get a bank account, which is wrong. He you know, if we're gonna rehabilitate people, we gotta let them be in the legitimate system. You know, how can you run a business if you can't get a bank account at any rate? Now they are debanking people for political beliefs. And Melania said, you can imagine. I mean, the guy's a billionaire. Right? The bank sent them, like an email and said, you having you as a client at our bank is not a good look.
Norm Murdock [:It's so painful. She did not name the bank, but I wish she would have. And I bet it comes out eventually. But I am told this is getting to be a thing. So if you own a gun shop or if you own a, a tobacco shop or something that's considered, you know, not PC, it's hard to get or if you own a, a tobacco shop or something
Steve Palmer [:that's considered, you know, not PC,
Norm Murdock [:it's hard to get a bank account. That's what I'm hearing.
Brett Johnson [:Gonna force us to go crypto. That's what they're gonna which which is not good either.
Steve Palmer [:So look. This this is happening with the the marijuana shops. This is what's going on.
Norm Murdock [:I bet
Steve Palmer [:you hear
Norm Murdock [:that. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:So Yeah. Like, they can't bank. And and I've had guys who have been in different legitimate businesses, and they can't get a bank account. Yeah. They can't get a bank account. So it just all it's gets driven to cash. And and, look, that's not that has its I I don't have a problem operating cash. In fact, I think on some levels, it's good.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. But on on a lot of levels, it's bad. It's dangerous. Yeah. Right. You know, who do you think the crooks are looking for? The guy with a credit card or the guy with a 100,000 in his trunk?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Yeah. Walks out of the gun shop at night with today's receipts.
Steve Palmer [:Because And it's all cash. Yeah. Because, the big banks won't bank with them. So, anyway, that's outrageous. I
Brett Johnson [:guess Yeah. There was you know, I I saw this piece. We are now 1,800,000,000,000 in debt That is not true. Fiscal year. And that was never brought up. It was that debated at all debated? I don't remember that being a topic at all.
Norm Murdock [:And they're adding a trillion every 100 days.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Nearly 2,000,000,000,000 annual deficit was fueled by greater spending on programs for older Americans and higher interest payments. The US spent 950,000,000,000 with a b, on IOUs last fiscal year. That's a 34%. Spike, we're we're paying more on the interest.
Steve Palmer [:We're not
Brett Johnson [:even touching what we owe. The principle. And and I and and this is a can that our I think our next generation is gonna feel.
Steve Palmer [:Yep. Now look, it's we can fix this. The bad news is it's horrible. The good news is it's very fixable. I mean Yeah. We're talking about all the I get it. We're talking about a higher money, but think how much money is blown. Mhmm.
Steve Palmer [:Blown. Blown. And anybody who comes in so look, if it's true that Trump's bringing Elon Musk in to say, I'm gonna be your logist I'm gonna I'm gonna handle this. I'm gonna get this stuff organized. Like, you could easily skim the budget here and pay that down in a matter of years.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Yeah. I heard Clay Travis say, you could fire every other federal employee. You're like 50% personnel cut. And he said, I bet
Steve Palmer [:Nobody would know.
Norm Murdock [:Nobody would even know the difference.
Steve Palmer [:You would never know.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:I I have I like, even the number of lawyers employed by the government, it's insane.
Norm Murdock [:It's insane.
Steve Palmer [:It's insanity. Utter insanity.
Norm Murdock [:When my brother was in combat in Kuwait, there were lawyers right behind his tanks telling him if it's a legit thing. Right. Can you imagine Battle of the Bulge? And you got lawyers. I mean, really?
Steve Palmer [:I've got some legal advice for you, sir. Wow. Right. It's unbelievable. Jeez.
Brett Johnson [:It's unbelievable.
Norm Murdock [:Anyway
Steve Palmer [:Alright. Well, look. I I I did not watch the entire thing of Kamala Harris on 60 minutes, but I did I did read the stories. And here's what's outrageous to me. And this is like the this is my outrage at the media that what Kamala said to 60 minutes is not what aired on 60 minutes, yet it did. So 60 minutes drops her answer, her word salad answer to a question. That's right. You can look it up.
Steve Palmer [:I'm not we don't have time to go into it.
Norm Murdock [:That's
Steve Palmer [:yes. But drops drops a word salad answer to a question. And 60 minutes, I think, played a teaser of that. So it's out there in the in the ether. Yeah. But when they aired the actual interview, they had cut it, And it sounded look. It still sounded stupid, but or it still sounded
Norm Murdock [:They put in a different answer.
Steve Palmer [:A different answer. Oh, totally different answer.
Brett Johnson [:Edited and edited answer.
Steve Palmer [:It was completely edited.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, it's not but it's not the edited version of the first answer.
Steve Palmer [:It's like It's a completely different answer. I find that outrageous. I find it completely outrageous.
Norm Murdock [:It's scandalous.
Steve Palmer [:It it tells you that our media is a captured empire. I mean, it's like they did not do it to make her look bad. They did it to make her look good or better.
Norm Murdock [:And CBS has a track record of this.
Steve Palmer [:If anybody thinks that they're not doing the same and opposite to the candidate they don't like. True. Yeah. Then you're nuts.
Brett Johnson [:Or you take it because you have the ability to do it.
Steve Palmer [:They have the ability to do it. You you remember
Norm Murdock [:why Dan Rather got fired at CBS. Right? Because CBS has a history of this. They came out with that, apparently dossier that George Bush the second was being treated, special in the Air National Guard. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And then it turned out that was completely fabricated. Like, the guy who did it was a political operative and he just made up the paperwork.
Steve Palmer [:And rather with all his, like, high horse b s
Brett Johnson [:He went with
Steve Palmer [:it. He's so he's like mister mister, like, I'm the I'm the authority on all the news and I've see what I see. Like I'm like Walter Cronkite. No. You're not. No. You're not. You're a partisan hack.
Norm Murdock [:No. That's right.
Brett Johnson [:No, Kenneth. You're not. No. You're not.
Norm Murdock [:And then David Muir in that debate, that was ridiculous.
Steve Palmer [:It just and and most recently well, at least at least JD was ready for it. So most recently. But, you know, it just shows you how they're trying
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:To hide the truth. The media is no longer supplying the truth. They're hiding the truth. That you cannot con you can't call that in like, if I had that person on a witness stand, if I had whoever made those cuts on a witness stand
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:I would shred them because I would make you're trying to conceal the real answer. And concealment of the real answer, what you're really talking about is something a little dishonest, isn't it? Yeah. And when somebody's dishonest, it's it's akin to a lie. So, basically, what you do is you published a lie. And I would that I would
Norm Murdock [:Absolutely.
Steve Palmer [:A lot more artfully and with a lot more theater, I would walk that person down the garden path to make them an utter complete conspirator to to commit lies. And and it's true.
Norm Murdock [:It's true. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:It's absolutely true. It's
Norm Murdock [:true. They're but they are busted.
Steve Palmer [:What I find wonderful or what I find very, a couple things I'm gonna talk about. But, we already talked about the linemen. And I think I think the response of the normal average Joe to go down and help out is what, you know, had I'm not wearing a hat, but if I did, I would tip it to you because that is what makes our country great. You know, you can talk about and make our country great again. Our country's always been great. It's great because of people like that. Yeah. It's great because and it's not just the linemen are doing it for money.
Steve Palmer [:I'm watching on YouTube, different guys saying, well, I'm heading down. And, you know, they might be doing it for a little bit of, likes and votes and whatever on YouTube, but I know people going down just to go down and and offer what they can. And there's more of people out there doing that than I think Americans truly know. And only imagine we can only imagine what it would be if we didn't have this culture where we think the federal government fixes everything. Yeah. Like, then then what what could we do then?
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:When when we're really incentivized or not disincentivized?
Norm Murdock [:A lot more of us would die. That's what would happen. Yeah. You know, I saw good old boys. They weren't waiting for the county to rebuild a bridge or whatever. And they had taken a grocery cart, put it on cables, and they were doing this across the river to the other side to get food. Like and they just rigged it up themselves.
Steve Palmer [:Up and did it.
Norm Murdock [:And they just
Steve Palmer [:did it. How go go read Ambrose. That's right. Go read Ambrose on World War 2, and this is how we won World War 2. The the good old fashioned American ingenuity and, and ambition.
Brett Johnson [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:Ambition.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:And what's you know what? That's our greatest asset of a country. Do not disincentivize it.
Brett Johnson [:Right. Right.
Norm Murdock [:I agree.
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. That we don't always have to ask permission, or am I allowed to do this? Why can't I be here? You just go do it.
Steve Palmer [:And and I will say it's also wonderful that Circleville, Ohio has the greatest show or the biggest show on the planet, the pumpkin show next weekend or next week, all next week. Starts on, like, Tuesday for Tuesday or Wednesday for locals, and it goes all through Saturday. So I'm I'm probably I'm not gonna it's too late to talk about it next Friday because it's already happening. So go to the biggest show on the planet, and I dare you to go down to Circleville, Ohio and call it a festival.
Brett Johnson [:I was gonna say you brought up about the terminology. It's a show.
Steve Palmer [:A festival. It's a show. Okay.
Norm Murdock [:And I I think our veterans
Steve Palmer [:celebrate the celebrate the orange gourd.
Norm Murdock [:And I think our veterans organization, Lima company, the display will be at that festival.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, there you go.
Norm Murdock [:Usually, yes, every year.
Steve Palmer [:You just call it a festival, Norm. It's a show.
Norm Murdock [:It's a show. They call
Steve Palmer [:it a show. What's wonderful to you?
Norm Murdock [:Cool. You have a wonderful thing?
Brett Johnson [:Yeah. Okay.
Norm Murdock [:Well, I'll go with mine. So I was talking about racing. I'm racing, tomorrow and Sunday at Mid Ohio, and, man, I this is what people should be doing with those cars. Don't go to some parking lot. It's costing me $500 to do this. Okay? I know that's a lot of money, but guess what? Now you don't have your Honda Accord or your Civic or whatever. It's been impounded. You're gonna have to go pay a lawyer to get out of your reckless op, and your insurance is gonna jack because reckless op is way worse than speeding.
Norm Murdock [:So, have fun in jail or come up to Mid Ohio, and I'll teach you a couple things about going around corners. So, all you young guys out there, channel your energy to positive things with your cars.
Steve Palmer [:No more early Apexers?
Norm Murdock [:Oh, that's the worst sin of all. Don't early Apex.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. Well, that is, we're gonna wrap it up. That's Common Sense Ohio. You can check us all out at commonsense ohioshow.com. I saw I think we might even had a comments on the livestream here too. But if you've got your own questions, you want us to talk about something, or you think you can hang with Norm here at the table, give us a shout, right there at commonsenseohioshow.com. We are on all the socials. I get criticized by the youngins by calling for calling in my other show for by for calling them socials.
Steve Palmer [:But, you know, we're everywhere. You can find us, whatever works for you. Common Sense Ohio coming at you right from the middle each and every week until now.
