In this episode, we celebrate a fantastic year of running for one of the Two Men on the Run, Jon-Jo. As Jon-Jo reflects on his progress, the question is raised: is Matt done and out, or is there more still to come? We’ll see what 2026 brings.

We dive into Jon-Jo’s recent race at the classic Brampton to Carlisle, and once again explore what’s changed between past and present when it comes to performances at iconic races like this.

The conversation then turns to fast times in Masters athletics. Are today’s performances the result of better technology, improved nutrition and smarter training, or is there a darker side, with performance-enhancing drugs still part of the discussion?