What does it really take to find product-market fit—and keep it as your business grows? In this conversation, Ryan Hogan shares lessons from scaling companies, evolving business models, and learning to listen to the market without losing direction.

He breaks down why services must be productized to scale, how AI is creating both opportunity and distraction, and why critical thinking is becoming one of the most valuable leadership skills today.

If you're building, leading, or trying to grow something meaningful, this episode will challenge how you think about strategy, execution, and what actually drives results.

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Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-leaders-think-with-kenny-lange/id1434737807

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2wKtzb6KaF1vNlG9TsZkzh

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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KennyLange/podcasts

Website: https://howleadersthink.kennylange.com/

Ryan Hogan Resources

Website — https://talentharbor.com/

LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanehogan/

YouTube — https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtRyIgFE14smkGlCVtwnhbw

Confessions of an EOS Implementer — https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/confessions-of-an-implementer/id1740510216

Confessions of a Vistage Chair — https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/confessions-of-a-vistage-chair/id1872757018

Books Mentioned

Competing Against Luck — Clayton Christensen

Hashtags

#HowLeadersThink #ProductMarketFit #Leadership #BusinessGrowth