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Justin has a "We Made it Feeling," how long will it last? Shopify transition discussion, Pierson Pro Pallets acquired, Like Butter worldwide? Recruiting for Fusion 360 skills.
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- "We made it feeling" - Justin
- Dust Boot 2 - LB
- Compression Tooling Talk
- Shopify Transition Talk - New website transfer attrition
- Like Butter Worldwide?
- I did it - Pierson Pro Pallet ordered
- What's the one thing you would change in my business?
- Trademarking costs worth it?
- Jem's holiday on the machines
- Patagonia Billionaires No more
- Recruiting for Fusion driver - junior vs senior?
- Young for a software package
- Justin's Fusion 360 Optional Parameter Trick
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HOSTS
Jem Freeman
Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia
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Justin Brouillette
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Hello looking very for having just surfaced the spoil board,
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Speaker:got my hairs cut.
Speaker:It gets a little too shaggy on the side.
Speaker:It starts to look real Ky to me.
Speaker:Yeah, me too.
Speaker:it's like if it gets long enough, then it's fine, but it's
Speaker:also too warm for that here.
Speaker:Once more with feeling 3, 2, 1.
Speaker:I think that worked.
Speaker:Ah, good morning.
Speaker:Morning.
Speaker:We should just start saying good day.
Speaker:Good day.
Speaker:happening in Portland.
Speaker:Portland.
Speaker:I mean shipping lots of dust boots.
Speaker:It's been very rewarding.
Speaker:lots of, I don't know how many listeners, but if so, I appreciate it.
Speaker:It's been very had a moment last week, just honestly kind of
Speaker:like mildly emotional felt like we between winning finally, a
Speaker:couple decent size job shop jobs.
Speaker:And then we just kind of have had a continuous order stream of dust boots.
Speaker:And it's finally, like, I guess I could relate it as saying not quite,
Speaker:I don't feel like this is the truth.
Speaker:We made it kind of in a sense, or like we finally have made it over a little bit
Speaker:of a hump where it's just been so tough.
Speaker:So lean income wise that I saw a little bit of, of light there.
Speaker:Which is cool.
Speaker:It's been
Speaker:Fantastic.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Really good.
Speaker:I mean people from Australia by two of them from you, it's very good too.
Speaker:Who would do that?
Speaker:Yeah, it was great to get our second baby pants in the door this week.
Speaker:And in a week that I got to install it and play with it too.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That one seemed a little easier.
Speaker:That machine has less complication to it potentially.
Speaker:it was very, a very simple exchange.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:just yeah.
Speaker:Four volts to take off the existing hood which is good actually, cuz I
Speaker:reckon I might still have a use for the stock foot at times on that machine.
Speaker:Yeah
Speaker:we occasionally use it as a pressure foot.
Speaker:We put Springs in it
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:That's super cool.
Speaker:Have it sort of pushed down as it's riding hard on the surface.
Speaker:So we might still find a use for that application, but yeah, it was nice cuz
Speaker:it was such a quick change operation.
Speaker:It means that that's not unfeasible to swap it back if we're running
Speaker:a whole lot of really thin stock or warped panels or something.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:it's pretty cool.
Speaker:I did immediately start, unbolting the spindle nose and kind of, as I
Speaker:was fitting out, I was just started to think about like, oh, could you just
Speaker:have some little like pressure foot roller that just bolts in under here
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:you can pull in and out something that I've toyed with a bit that
Speaker:that acoustic panel product that we cut that I sent you a
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh, my word looks like ramen noodles.
Speaker:The wood wool that stuff's really hard to contain cause of how aggressive
Speaker:the material removal rate is.
Speaker:But it also, that's a product that really benefits from a pressure foot.
Speaker:I know the, the factory in Sweden that does it.
Speaker:They've got this funky setup where they've got carpet instead of a cuz vacuum hold
Speaker:down, does nothing cause it's so porous.
Speaker:So they've got carpet on the bed for like grip, sheer, sheer grip, and then
Speaker:they've got like a pressure foot rollers,
Speaker:which I think there's a router manufacturer in the states.
Speaker:I can't remember what they called that does like crazy pressure
Speaker:foot high speed machines.
Speaker:that, what are they?
Speaker:It's the new one that Izzy Swan's a part of.
Speaker:At
Speaker:least I've seen that.
Speaker:I don't remember what their name is.
Speaker:Phoenix or they're blue.
Speaker:Yeah, but those pressure rollers look cool.
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:I frankly thought they were a little silly when I first saw them, I thought,
Speaker:Hmm, dunno why you'd want that.
Speaker:It looks like it would break really easily.
Speaker:But you know, as you describe it, there are things that are just
Speaker:super hard to cut and hold down.
Speaker:And as we've always joked, the vacuum is the magic solution for so many, so many
Speaker:easy ways to work hold, but there's also things that are just super hard to work.
Speaker:Hold that don't work at all like that.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:Yeah, And I think like the feed rates that they promote on some of those
Speaker:machines are just bonkers, they're pushing a half inch or one inch hoer
Speaker:flat out you know, if you're building caravans and stuff in high volume.
Speaker:The sideways tool, pressure, lateral tool pressure, and
Speaker:those kind of things are absurd.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I remember it The shock and all, when I first discovered that a
Speaker:half inch carbu tool was actually deflecting under tool pressure,
Speaker:my God.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:How is, how is that possible?
Speaker:for a long time.
Speaker:Our primary compression tool is like a quarter inch, which is just
Speaker:a little bit more than six mil.
Speaker:And it whipped so much, it, it always whips.
Speaker:And so we kept having to space our parts farther and farther, and we'd
Speaker:still get like defects on side.
Speaker:So you have the same spindle, I think, but because.
Speaker:We're only using a five horsepower spindle.
Speaker:You can't really go to like a, even the three eights is a little bit too
Speaker:much sometimes to actually cut at the right feed rates in like plywood.
Speaker:So the tool we use primarily is an eight millimeter compression.
Speaker:Cause it's just like the perfect middle ground.
Speaker:It's close to five sixteens and yeah, it works great.
Speaker:I love that tool, especially for the five horsepower.
Speaker:Yeah, I really don't like that tool.
Speaker:The eight mill
Speaker:You don't
Speaker:it's no, I find it a really S squarely.
Speaker:Maybe we've just never got it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But I find it a really S squarely tool
Speaker:well compared to a six, right?
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:oh yeah.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I don't touch sixes unless I have to, although John did order a five
Speaker:mill compressor recently, which he's using been using on certain jobs just
Speaker:to get it in there on small parts.
Speaker:But I think it's a three flute.
Speaker:Five mill is impressive.
Speaker:But 9.5 or three eights has always been our sweet spot for the compression
Speaker:cutters, but what, may I ask?
Speaker:What chip load you're running on an eight millimeter.
Speaker:God, this is where we're gonna get into that conversion nightmare.
Speaker:It's
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:18 and a half thousand RPMs at 550 inches a minute.
Speaker:So don't know
Speaker:what that is.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:we usually run under the suggested fee rates of what vortex recommends.
Speaker:They're usually very aggressive and we just can't push them
Speaker:fast enough with the tool
Speaker:What was your RPM?
Speaker:18 and a half.
Speaker:She, okay.
Speaker:Point three, seven mil.
Speaker:Feed per tooth,
Speaker:It's funny.
Speaker:Cuz it's like those numbers I'm sure the same to you.
Speaker:It's like they mean nothing to
Speaker:nothing
Speaker:it's like, I'm telling like my wife, like yeah, the feed for tooth is three th and
Speaker:she's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker:so you're running a 0.37 feed per tooth.
Speaker:I think I would run a 0.4 to 0.5 feed Bluetooth So that's not this similar.
Speaker:The other reason why we've always used smaller compression
Speaker:tools is a, the spin just.
Speaker:Seemingly handle a whole lot more, but it's probably more that the
Speaker:width needed between parts is less and that exposes less vacuum.
Speaker:And since we have basically like the minimum required vacuum for
Speaker:a four by eight machine, like the more that it's exposed, the
Speaker:more challenge there is to it.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:Because you got those hair dryers as vacuum pumps.
Speaker:Ooh.
Speaker:so, oh man, I've always wanted to do this really interesting project cause like,
Speaker:one of the guys that worked for us for a.
Speaker:Would always, you know, spray yourself off when you're kind of dusty at the end
Speaker:of the day with compressed air, right.
Speaker:He would do it pretty extensively.
Speaker:And I was always like, man, we should make like, basically it'd be using
Speaker:the same kind of motors, but like a, a little ring where you'd walk through
Speaker:and it would just spray you off.
Speaker:So this little, yeah, quarantine booth as you exit the shop, just
Speaker:it's like a vacuum chamber.
Speaker:You go through
Speaker:next
Speaker:next,
Speaker:car wash.
Speaker:take your, your what do they call those?
Speaker:Like contagious diseases, shell off
Speaker:Yeah, well, be careful dusting yourself down kids.
Speaker:don't inject yourself with compressed
Speaker:Ugh,
Speaker:That'll mess you up.
Speaker:steam will do that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Nice to get a little shout out from the Pearson media department.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Did they, did they shout it out somewhere or do those just that comment?
Speaker:Just what you sent me on slack.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I was curious if he was gonna do like some post about it, but I think
Speaker:he was just kind of being nice.
Speaker:I laughed when I saw this note in there the other night, I like, I did it.
Speaker:What did you do?
Speaker:it this morning and I couldn't remember what I did.
Speaker:And then I remember what I did I was like, shit, I should, I didn't wanna spoil
Speaker:a surprise if you saw it earlier, then I was like, well, if I can't remember
Speaker:what it means, it's not a surprise.
Speaker:You gotta leave coded messages in there.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:I mean, as we're talking about, I, I did it and bought the Pearson pallet system.
Speaker:You did it.
Speaker:Yeah, it was the peer pressure, the reverse peer pressure I wanted.
Speaker:Happy to oblige.
Speaker:Now it's just yeah, it's a little bit biting off a little more and I think I
Speaker:probably should chew at the moment, but kind of on the, heels of feeling like,
Speaker:okay, we're having some decent sales with dust boots and things are going all right.
Speaker:Like if we can just get these pedestals off.
Speaker:And my thought was instead of trying to do setup for my custom version of
Speaker:basically making pallets that screw down, I might as well just skip that phase
Speaker:and not invest all the time, making the fixture and then having to remake it
Speaker:later when we need something different.
Speaker:And Jay had also.
Speaker:Replied via email pretty nicely, pretty quickly and answered basically all
Speaker:my concerns of like, I wanted to put a vice on, but I needed to turn the
Speaker:whole thing sideways in the middle.
Speaker:So it fits.
Speaker:And that way it sticks off like a lot.
Speaker:Cause the, the it's or the it's like perpendicular orientation and he's like,
Speaker:he recommended the right size pallet and for the vice we have, and it he's
Speaker:like, I don't have any concerns, so it's gonna be a problem because all the
Speaker:energy transfer goes straight through the center of the backdrop in his experience.
Speaker:So that also just made me feel like, all right, well, like it's gonna save
Speaker:so much time just to switch between even like the two parts we make for this,
Speaker:this one job that but also kind of freed me up mentally to think about like it
Speaker:not just being a production machine, potentially if we do want to do some
Speaker:type of odd job with it, that I don't have to do any tear down necessarily.
Speaker:Cause those pallets repeat so nicely.
Speaker:Yeah, well, it's a zero point fix system, right?
Speaker:Think you could call it that.
Speaker:Yeah, basically.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's supposed to repeat within three tens, which is
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't know what that is.
Speaker:But
Speaker:a lot, a little,
Speaker:A little
Speaker:0.0076 millimeters
Speaker:whoa, Lordy, that's a
Speaker:mm-hmm
Speaker:so a guy that chops wood for a living that's that's little
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:I mean you're in yeah.
Speaker:Like what a great place to start.
Speaker:If you are starting to think about pallets, like investing in that system.
Speaker:As you are build, you know, jumping off point your base point,
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:making things build up that rather than kind of going down a path.
Speaker:And then, you know, SMO has done of like getting to a point where he is
Speaker:scrapping all these old Norseman pallets and is coming back and just rebuilding
Speaker:them all on zero point systems and,
Speaker:You know, what's funny is he uses a lot of, I have watched an old video of his,
Speaker:I think because I was searching so much to watch videos on pro palettes and
Speaker:peers and stuff that just to kind of sync myself into making fixtures and all that.
Speaker:And now looking into the pro palettes that his, one of his videos came up
Speaker:from like five or seven years ago.
Speaker:And he was just putting on a mini pallet system from Pearson and like
Speaker:putting it into a space that was like small in the back of his table.
Speaker:And he already had all these others.
Speaker:And I was just thinking to myself as like, thinking how he's just scrapping the,
Speaker:the ones that I'm just about to like,
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:making.
Speaker:I was like, I'm that far behind am I?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:Yeah, I am feeling more and more like some form of a capable machinist though.
Speaker:Like, it looks pretty
Speaker:basic, but,
Speaker:The only thing I didn't do, I can't find a fricking rigid tap, call it for this eight
Speaker:millimeter, which is these holes here.
Speaker:But so I did those by hand, but the rest of it came off the
Speaker:machine, this bottom base plate, like perfectly out of the device.
Speaker:So
Speaker:Looks amazing.
Speaker:Great surface
Speaker:it's looking really nice
Speaker:Even on this potato.
Speaker:you know, the potato Cam's looking nice.
Speaker:great.
Speaker:is the only, this is as large as I can make, basically in
Speaker:the fixturing I currently have.
Speaker:Otherwise it just doesn't hang out in the vice.
Speaker:So I'm, the pallets are supposed to arrive Friday and then I'm off to the races
Speaker:trying to figure out how to make all that.
Speaker:awesome.
Speaker:Sounds fun.
Speaker:What do you do?
Speaker:Finishing those parts, you just leave them
Speaker:I think I've had a few people over there over the time since we've talked about
Speaker:putting those out as a product ask once, like in messaging like them to be, but
Speaker:to start out, I'm I will probably just clean them out
Speaker:of the cool end clean 'em up.
Speaker:And I mean, the surface finishes are in my experience anyway.
Speaker:Really nice.
Speaker:So I like, we like how it looks on our machine, that kind of like
Speaker:machine aluminum, it looks nice.
Speaker:It looks, it looks like a machine that makes other things
Speaker:should look in my opinion.
Speaker:And yeah, somewhere down the road, maybe if we have enough interest,
Speaker:we may do some randomization.
Speaker:Outsource that, cause that's a whole thing that I don't understand.
Speaker:Oh, totally.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Look, I understand that energizing makes stuff harder.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:hardens, the surface somehow
Speaker:But at the same time, like it's a huge chunk of aluminum.
Speaker:It's not going anywhere.
Speaker:no for sure.
Speaker:And it's not gonna like oxidize or rust or really anything.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:no.
Speaker:All of a fixture, all the stuff we're putting with it, stainless steel.
Speaker:So it should last a good long time.
Speaker:So you got the pedestal ATC rack thing coming.
Speaker:As soon as possible.
Speaker:You got dust boots.
Speaker:What about the, the the duck duck crack rack.
Speaker:Do.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It's basically ready to sell.
Speaker:So what's hap what I'm, which you can probably relate to.
Speaker:And all the more reason I need to push this stuff out is I am just currently
Speaker:working on transitioning to Shopify.
Speaker:I wanted to stop all new things going on to our stupid square space eCommerce,
Speaker:cuz it's so, so I, the more, you know, I, once I commit mentally to like,
Speaker:this is a bad idea, it's like, I just get more and more frustrated with it.
Speaker:I'm like, ah, yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You know, this doesn't work.
Speaker:And so the more like I was chatting with Jay about it, they've actually in
Speaker:seemingly intentionally made it difficult to export your products from Squarespace.
Speaker:Like it only exports a small blurb of the whole long bit of
Speaker:their description basically.
Speaker:So I have to rebuild all the product pages.
Speaker:So every new thing I make over there just represents a ton more work to transition.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:My goal was to launch the, those with the new Shopify page or website.
Speaker:So I'm, I'm feeling good about it.
Speaker:It's going right.
Speaker:Kind have to get into the vibe of like making those kind of things.
Speaker:I guess.
Speaker:I'm not just like immediately, like ready to make webpages all the time.
Speaker:It's
Speaker:no router.
Speaker:about, I was thinking about your situation last night with that of
Speaker:remembering when we did our big sort of rebuild from Magento into Shopify.
Speaker:And again, then we transition to Shopify 2.0, there's this sort of
Speaker:natural attrition that happens.
Speaker:I find of what are the priorities that we need to get over to the
Speaker:new site and get live immediately.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And then I think it's actually a really positive thing of what gets left behind.
Speaker:That's been my experience anyway of.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:These are the priorities in the moment.
Speaker:Let's get all of that happening, but then you just naturally either don't get
Speaker:back and finish all the other little bits and bobs, but the positive side of that
Speaker:is you're actually sort of focusing the business, whether you intend to or not.
Speaker:It's kind of deleting some of the old redundant stuff and it's kind of a pity,
Speaker:a pity to lose some of those pages, cuz maybe they'd be nice in an archive
Speaker:somewhere, but at the same time, it's, you know, it's moving forward and focusing
Speaker:your outputs and what you present to the world, which I think is positive.
Speaker:Needs to be a lot more precious with, I think it's just the
Speaker:design school thing, honestly.
Speaker:I used to be a lot more precious with, like I spent all this time on this
Speaker:website design, especially with the NAC pro webpages for so long, which is
Speaker:funny, cuz let's just like represent so much work that didn't like do as much
Speaker:as I wanted it to over that time period.
Speaker:And I would, I, I probably will do the same.
Speaker:It's a good, you reminded me.
Speaker:I will use like a, either a website or like an extension on Chrome and
Speaker:do a full page screenshot and then just like save those in Google drive.
Speaker:It's like good enough for me.
Speaker:Like I can go back and look at it.
Speaker:I totally know what you mean though.
Speaker:What, what I'm I'm just so excited about all the potential.
Speaker:It, to me it's like representing a huge potential into like really formalizing
Speaker:this being a big part of our business.
Speaker:Now, rather than when I first made the Squarespace site, it was
Speaker:like a side project and I was in 2017 and I was like, maybe this
Speaker:Portland C thing would be something.
Speaker:And then.
Speaker:When I had the thought to like sell a product, which I think
Speaker:we were mostly digital things.
Speaker:It was like, whoa, Squarespace has commerce.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:And it was just kind of like accidental and I always thought it
Speaker:looked kind of crappy, honestly.
Speaker:But commerce stuff.
Speaker:So just like I was telling you, I think be a message that what like one of
Speaker:the stupid things I'm excited about.
Speaker:That's so simple is we can very, very simply add more like international
Speaker:countries to ship to on, on Shopify because they do all the automated,
Speaker:pricing of shipping for you.
Speaker:Like I don't have to go do research.
Speaker:Like right now I have to basically cover myself to make sure that we ship something
Speaker:to New Zealand, it's not costing me a hundred dollars extra or something.
Speaker:Cuz you wanna know a silly example is shipping to you where you are versus
Speaker:literally I think Melbourne itself is like 50 different, 50 more dollars.
Speaker:Ah, right.
Speaker:I, how do I know that?
Speaker:Like, you know,
Speaker:was that calculated in checkout?
Speaker:When we bought the dust poop?
Speaker:It's not calculated at all.
Speaker:I just had to go look those
Speaker:up.
Speaker:That's what's crazy about it right now is I'm kind of just, you have
Speaker:to do so much of your own work.
Speaker:Oh, no,
Speaker:I'm setting up the Shopify, I just was like throwing new countries and I
Speaker:was like, oh, what about Switzerland?
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:Yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think you guys have got it pretty good with Shopify and like your
Speaker:compatible carriers and stuff
Speaker:like that.
Speaker:Like, we are quite limited here with who we can integrate.
Speaker:Whereas when I look in the options, it's like all these amazing options,
Speaker:but they're all like us, Canada,
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Are you considering international sales at all
Speaker:look, there's some conversations happening at the moment.
Speaker:I think maybe in part due to this podcast.
Speaker:I had, I think three requests in as many weeks for.
Speaker:Makers manufacturers in the us who are interested in distributing or
Speaker:licensing, like better products.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:these conversations have come up in the past from time to time, and I'm
Speaker:always interested in entertaining the question and having a chat.
Speaker:So I tend to jump on a zoom call and have a chat with these
Speaker:people and just suss them out.
Speaker:See what the vibe's like, what the alignment's like.
Speaker:And also just talk through all the it's quite complex, like talk
Speaker:through how the hell that might work.
Speaker:Anyway, I had one call maybe last week, which was by far the most
Speaker:positive of these calls that I've had.
Speaker:And yeah, I think there's potential there I don't want to ship anything overseas.
Speaker:I don't believe furniture should be shipped internationally.
Speaker:Happy to buy a, a little lightweight dust boot, but I'd like to not
Speaker:end up in a spot where we're
Speaker:shipping plywood.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:but I think there is potential there for some sort of us distribution
Speaker:where we take the orders and our website does all the work and then
Speaker:someone stateside fulfills them
Speaker:in local materials,
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:but then there's all sorts.
Speaker:Whoa, sorry.
Speaker:I just got deafened by a message.
Speaker:But then
Speaker:there's also just like little challenges someone over there is gonna be
Speaker:manufacturing them in say kit parts, for example, in different plywood,
Speaker:different Dow, you've then got.
Speaker:Country dependent variance on the website.
Speaker:And like, I think you probably wanna just spin up a whole nother website,
Speaker:just so it's not con as confusing for the two different audiences, but I dunno.
Speaker:I'm laughing mostly because I'm imagining them all being
Speaker:an Imperial measurements here.
Speaker:Well, thankfully pretty much everything here is just Imperial in metric disguise.
Speaker:it wouldn't be too hard.
Speaker:I'm imagining a superhero.
Speaker:That's like, it's just a unit machine.
Speaker:And he is like he's Imperial and disguised in a metric cloak.
Speaker:There's a brief for
Speaker:very good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, over the years, I've had more different opinions
Speaker:about international selling.
Speaker:When we first did the Kickstarter, you couldn't control in 2011
Speaker:where your backers were from.
Speaker:And luckily I had a bunch of people approach me, which
Speaker:was kind of cool at the time.
Speaker:Maybe it was a half dozen or so, which is a lot I felt like about,
Speaker:oh, we wanna sell these in Europe.
Speaker:We wanna sell these in the Philippines.
Speaker:I think somebody from Malaysia bought hundreds of them,
Speaker:luckily approached me about.
Speaker:And not, it didn't just do it, but I , I definitely took a lot of boxes
Speaker:to FedEx that went to Malaysia.
Speaker:And it, I was so afraid that it was gonna be like some scam or something.
Speaker:Cause I just had no experience with international business like that.
Speaker:And I learned a lot about basically not wanting to do that kind of thing.
Speaker:And it used to be so much more complicated because there wasn't simple ways to
Speaker:calculate prices for all this stuff.
Speaker:And they'd Shopify, like, at least at that time there was no like auto pricing
Speaker:and countries had all these rules about like you can't chip shoes to this place
Speaker:because it's got a certain tariff.
Speaker:yeah, lately it's been interesting, especially I think honestly your
Speaker:influence has helped a lot with like the, your corner of the world where
Speaker:we've sold dust boots over there.
Speaker:And I would've never thought.
Speaker:Otherwise, I, I probably honestly to like think, oh, we should,
Speaker:we, we could be big in Australia.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, totally.
Speaker:it's gotta be your influence.
Speaker:honestly, it's gotta be that.
Speaker:And I'm appreciative of everybody that's ordered.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:I think part of that is we're kind of limited here in terms of, I dunno how
Speaker:best to describe this like small scale custom tool makers is not really a thing.
Speaker:Like I look at, some of the Americans I follow like Izzy Swan is a good example.
Speaker:someone with big social media presence, who's making cool
Speaker:mods, cool tools for makers.
Speaker:I don't feel like that's really limited here.
Speaker:So the fact that you are doing this, and then we've got a bit of a mixed audience
Speaker:cuz of, you know, our relationship.
Speaker:Yeah
Speaker:it does.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Open that up, which is cool.
Speaker:Which leads me to the one thing that I would change in your business.
Speaker:that's a good segue.
Speaker:Off the back of the,
Speaker:me
Speaker:the natural attrition of rebuilding a website.
Speaker:And you know, this is a bit bold, cuz it's a one thing and
Speaker:it's not my, not my call, but I
Speaker:I'm scared.
Speaker:Oh boy.
Speaker:I would I would reduce your offering and focus dramatically.
Speaker:If I was called in to run PX, I think I'd go hard on this, tool, mod trajectory
Speaker:and scale back, a lot of the other areas.
Speaker:I can't say I can argue with that really.
Speaker:I mean, send me back a month and a half when we just thought about
Speaker:two months ago, when we were starting to think about selling dust
Speaker:boots or like putting 'em public.
Speaker:I would've said you're maybe crazy because of how much time and effort
Speaker:I've put into like the knack wall thing.
Speaker:And it's really interesting.
Speaker:You bring that up too, because I wrote this down, but we've tried to trademark
Speaker:knack the word kind of on advice of a colleague or a local friend here.
Speaker:And it costs a lot of money to even do the research on it.
Speaker:And I just got word today that it didn't go through and there, which was
Speaker:likely, it was likely that it wasn't gonna go through the first time.
Speaker:And there's confusion with other brands.
Speaker:There's they think that it's a surname.
Speaker:More than it is
Speaker:a brand, which is like, I've never heard of anybody named NA.
Speaker:And so anyway, I've gotta spend roughly 3000 more dollars if I want
Speaker:the lawyers to even write letters back and try to get it to pass again.
Speaker:And I'm just like, I don't wanna continue spending money on this at this point,
Speaker:but I've also spent so much the, the sunk cost fallacy is heavy with this.
Speaker:It's like we've spent well over 10 grand to like research into like
Speaker:patent ability of this trademarking, like, and, and now with the success
Speaker:of the PDC and C stuff that has nothing to do with that, I'm like, do
Speaker:I continue sinking money into this?
Speaker:But like not to, not to segue too much, but it's just funny you brought that
Speaker:up cuz it just happened this morning.
Speaker:wow.
Speaker:No, I think it's a good thought for sure.
Speaker:I don't know how to.
Speaker:Like, do I just, if I have to dig into that, do I just stop working and
Speaker:thinking about knack wall together?
Speaker:Or my thought was I was putting it on hold until I get back to
Speaker:like the time when all the other products are kind of rolling right.
Speaker:With like the dust boot, the ATC thing.
Speaker:And I have time to do the R and D on that again, where it makes sense, but it also
Speaker:could just never be as good of a product.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:I don't know that you have to think about whether it's you're canning it or not.
Speaker:Like I would put it on hold really knuckle down and focus on this new
Speaker:offering, developing those products, but also developing the marketing
Speaker:and the, the coms around it.
Speaker:Because there you, you know, it's, I can relate to a point and like it's
Speaker:confusing offering two different things.
Speaker:Like it's confusing for us to offering custom work, but also trying to push
Speaker:product and that's within one brand, like you're running two brands.
Speaker:sort of
Speaker:Sort of, but there is a lack of clarity.
Speaker:There is, there is a lack of clarity there.
Speaker:Like I think when we bought that sec, second D boot, I saw one of
Speaker:the auto emails came with knack branding on it and I was like, oh,
Speaker:hang on.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so I can I pulled that.
Speaker:I pull that, I'll pull that up and screenshot it for you.
Speaker:But like, I think that's a real challenge for your sort of storytelling
Speaker:and all your, your customer journey.
Speaker:imagine if you put all your energy into this one avenue, what could be
Speaker:possible in like 12 months or something.
Speaker:And it's not to say that in, you know, you build that up and get it
Speaker:stable and then revisit NA and the wall and all of those things, I think.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We're not, we're not killing it off.
Speaker:I think
Speaker:Yeah, I think it's
Speaker:there's just great, great potential there.
Speaker:It's worth discussing.
Speaker:I think that's one of the harder things and I, you know,
Speaker:everybody says this to death.
Speaker:It's not a new thought, but I remember reading the Steve jobs
Speaker:first biography out of biography.
Speaker:And I think he said in that, or it was probably another things he said at one
Speaker:point, basically that, oh, no, it was when the, when the iPhone came out and he, you
Speaker:know, some reporter asked him like, isn't this gonna cannibalize your iPod sales?
Speaker:And he was like, I'd rather do it myself.
Speaker:You know, like I'd rather kill off that thing myself.
Speaker:Not that what I'm doing is killing off that, but it's like, basically.
Speaker:You know, you gotta always be willing to kill one of your darlings.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:It's like, without that it's not gutsiness without the idea of, you
Speaker:know, each one of these things, like we were talking about last week, it's
Speaker:like, we make, I make decisions to emotionally often about business, but
Speaker:it's like, without you bringing that up very poignantly, I may continue to
Speaker:think like, these are both good ideas when, you know, even the math of it's
Speaker:currently like, well, one is selling, you know, and, and is a business solution.
Speaker:The other is still hard to describe.
Speaker:yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker:It's very poignant.
Speaker:At this point I don't regret it.
Speaker:I, somebody here said or, you know, setting off into the neck product making
Speaker:thing was, you know, it was kind of during, when the patent thoughts were
Speaker:potentially killing some of the features.
Speaker:That we thought were great and simplified the product of thewell.
Speaker:And somebody said, you know, I'm not worried about this at all, because
Speaker:even if we kind don't continue this, what, what, I'm pretty proud of this?
Speaker:What, what had happened is we had converted ourselves from R and D everybody
Speaker:else's things every day with job shop work to like, we were solving problems so
Speaker:fast with products, you know, problems.
Speaker:And, and that person was like, you know, we'll figure out what's next.
Speaker:And I think we did that with being able to make the dust boot probably faster
Speaker:than I think we probably should have.
Speaker:Otherwise, if we were just only doing job shop work, because it was like we're
Speaker:in this mode of making products now.
Speaker:So anyway now
Speaker:certainly not, not I don't think you've lost anything by putting that on hold.
Speaker:As you say, like that being in that space and that skill development of
Speaker:being, becoming more efficient product development, it's all, it's all a win.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The trademarking and protection stuff is a really funny area.
Speaker:I've always been of the opinion of it's not worth it.
Speaker:Let's let's put our energy into creating , new, and better things,
Speaker:rather than trying to protect our old ideas and just use our sort of whatever.
Speaker:What's the expression, social capital by putting our ideas out into the
Speaker:world and kind of owning them in our.
Speaker:Audience and on our platforms.
Speaker:And then may, maybe day, well, maybe one day we'll run into trouble and
Speaker:have something sort of ripped off or copied, but I would rather than go cool.
Speaker:What's next rather than kind of protected the end.
Speaker:The exception to that I think is speaking of darlings is like, I feel
Speaker:most protective about kid parts,
Speaker:Mm-hmm
Speaker:because of how much energy I've put into that.
Speaker:So I think I would find that very challenging if, and when it's
Speaker:probably a, when that gets challenged
Speaker:I don't know how it is there, but if I, put it in this framework and the person
Speaker:that pushed me to look into patent ability, trademarking, when we were
Speaker:setting off and all I could think was we were spending so much time and effort
Speaker:trying to make that be a product that I, I don't know if I heard it on a podcast
Speaker:or something, but it was just basically all I could think about after that was.
Speaker:If one of the primary utility functionalities of the wall turned out
Speaker:to be patented and we had sunk, godly amounts of money into like actually
Speaker:producing them and then had to stop.
Speaker:It's like, what if one of the main features like how
Speaker:it threads together, right.
Speaker:Or something it's like, you'll probably find a solution around it.
Speaker:But if you had sunk, you know, what, if you had three pencil sharpeners and
Speaker:all your machines were set up to like run this thing super efficiently and
Speaker:then stop and you've sunk all your, you know, it's just, I don't know.
Speaker:It doesn't feel like there's a right choice at this point for like maybe more
Speaker:you you're a little bit farther ahead.
Speaker:And maybe I shouldn't have spent the money on it, but we definitely
Speaker:found stuff that would've been a problem if we had gotten big enough.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Interesting.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:or, you know, the lawyers did, we didn't
Speaker:yeah, yeah, well, Don, you know what time it is?
Speaker:You got it.
Speaker:I always enjoy this.
Speaker:If I reverse that sound, it's gonna sound like you're in the bathroom.
Speaker:I always think that what's Ricky,
Speaker:Oh, we are cutting some pricey acrylic for a customer.
Speaker:I think he's cutting it.
Speaker:Or he was going to cut it, I I'm trying to think.
Speaker:I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about that in advance, but trying to
Speaker:think what I would change about your business, but mostly I think I'm just
Speaker:think jealous, I'm not jealous and I don't mean that in like a negative way.
Speaker:I appreciate your business.
Speaker:I feel like your, like the older brother version of like, what I
Speaker:hope to my business can be at times.
Speaker:So it's like hard for me to imagine, like how I would change it in a certain way.
Speaker:Cuz it's like, I would like to do a lot of the things you guys are
Speaker:doing with different aspects.
Speaker:So I don't know if I have an item to change.
Speaker:Mm,
Speaker:dunno.
Speaker:You're doing everything.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:I'll take it rather than try and argue with you.
Speaker:I'll say mine can be next week.
Speaker:If I think of something,
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah, I think off the back of my blues last week, it was perfect timing and
Speaker:I hadn't even occurred to me as I was chatting last week, but John has
Speaker:been away this week taking a break.
Speaker:I got to be on the tools and it was so good.
Speaker:Mm-hmm
Speaker:it's a really, it's only a three day week here.
Speaker:So we're, it's a public holiday today and tomorrow.
Speaker:So I only got three, three glorious days, but damn it was good.
Speaker:I couldn't wipe the smile off my face,
Speaker:You took a selfie with your, with your Maso controller.
Speaker:Look at my look at my girlfriend
Speaker:yeah, it was just so good, but running parts, but also just being
Speaker:back in that head space of like, cause I knew it was temporary.
Speaker:I didn't wanna just run production for a few days and then, you know, without
Speaker:sort of thinking critically about it.
Speaker:So it was this lovely balance.
Speaker:Running production, but also having an opportunity to question
Speaker:some processes and legacy stuff.
Speaker:Like you said last week, like boss for a day machinists for a day.
Speaker:Not, you know, absolutely not sort of taking anything away from what John's
Speaker:been doing, but sort of looking at cool.
Speaker:Where are our processes at now?
Speaker:Where have we improved and what are we still doing the old way?
Speaker:Or like, where is there still room for improvement?
Speaker:So that was a really lovely space to be in.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just rethinking a few little things of cool, like that wood wall stuff,
Speaker:like the, the messy acoustic panel.
Speaker:We have always programmed that in on route, which is like
Speaker:equivalent of VCA, 2d cam.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And we've pretty much entirely retired on route now.
Speaker:So I had the opportunity to make new files for those parts infusion and
Speaker:just rethink The setup of that job.
Speaker:And like,
Speaker:You'd be like hooking Luke on the bottom where it's like Velcro
Speaker:sure it's a good loop.
Speaker:Team.
Speaker:but yeah, that was great.
Speaker:Fun,
Speaker:Yeah, it looked good.
Speaker:I, when, when I dunno if it's a story or something, maybe
Speaker:you, oh, you sent me a message.
Speaker:You're like, I'm on the tools.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, you traded John.
Speaker:That was fast.
Speaker:Like you did the boss for a day.
Speaker:Like instantly, I didn't even think, you know, it's like one of those things
Speaker:where you chat about something and you think like, well, that's fanciful.
Speaker:Maybe, maybe one of us will do that someday.
Speaker:And then you were just like doing it, but it just happened to be a vacation.
Speaker:For the record.
Speaker:I really like that idea.
Speaker:I think there's something in that
Speaker:job swap.
Speaker:I'm always trying to imagine what the person that would be trading into the,
Speaker:like your position would do though.
Speaker:Like, do they, how do you, how do you set that
Speaker:know, right?
Speaker:Well, in air table,
Speaker:they would go to our SOPs
Speaker:I thought
Speaker:that was it just, oh, an air table.
Speaker:He'd set it up an air table.
Speaker:Yeah, that was my answer.
Speaker:Now they would go to our SOPs and they would go to tasks by role director gem.
Speaker:And they would see all my daily tasks, weekly tasks, quarterly tasks
Speaker:as required and see, oh, the missing information, which haven't backfield yet.
Speaker:That's funny.
Speaker:but I think there's potential to get to a point where, I mean, this is
Speaker:what we're working towards, is that every role so not person is like fully
Speaker:documented in our SOPs so that whether it's bus for a day or whether it's
Speaker:hiring a new person, like there's just like a full system for that role that
Speaker:someone can drop into and have hopefully everything they need to do the job.
Speaker:And it's getting easier and easier.
Speaker:So Sarah, our business manager was away for almost two weeks recently.
Speaker:And so Jay and I were covering her position Jay did most of it, but it was
Speaker:just, you know, when it's well documented.
Speaker:Gosh, it's
Speaker:so easy
Speaker:that is always amazing.
Speaker:It's like, I don't, we don't have roles like that necessarily.
Speaker:So it's always like the things that are well documented are
Speaker:usually like machine related,
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:as I've figured stuff out, we've figure stuff out on the YC.
Speaker:M it's it goes in immediately into fresh desks so that I don't forget it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No,
Speaker:that's, that's
Speaker:nice.
Speaker:ex
Speaker:I'm excited about that.
Speaker:I think Jay turned on a fresh desk trial this
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:I'm a little distracted.
Speaker:We have a truck here with three sheets.
Speaker:I'm trying to figure out if Ricky is gonna handle it or not.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:I'm happy to wait.
Speaker:let me ask him real quick.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I wish I had a wig to put on and just transform while Justin's away.
Speaker:Why don't I have a wig in here?
Speaker:Nikita inflatable jacket.
Speaker:That's not gonna work.
Speaker:I can just hear you talking in
Speaker:my
Speaker:talking.
Speaker:I could hear you talking to Ricky and in inflatable something.
Speaker:So things
Speaker:damn.
Speaker:I'd forgotten that you could hear me.
Speaker:or you
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Back back on the air.
Speaker:Did you hear about the Patagonia?
Speaker:I think
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Mm-hmm
Speaker:far out what a move?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:very impressed.
Speaker:I've been inspired by them while it feels weird to say that I'm
Speaker:inspired by a clothing brand.
Speaker:That's kind of a gross thought, but at the same time, they got me onto the 1% for the
Speaker:planet scheme many years ago
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:or onto that concept.
Speaker:And for, I don't three years or so now we've been doing that 1% of revenue.
Speaker:So yeah, they've, they've always liked kind of their ethos and their.
Speaker:company culture in terms of what they're trying to do.
Speaker:So yeah, seeing that move last week or whenever it was about them, the
Speaker:founder selling off the company into a, a, whatever it's called a,
Speaker:protection trust.
Speaker:trust.
Speaker:thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Incredible move.
Speaker:I just kind of a really nice reminder of what's possible in the face of capitalism.
Speaker:Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker:Very cool.
Speaker:It was really ironic timing.
Speaker:I have a friend that moved from Portland and actually went to
Speaker:work for Patagonia for a while.
Speaker:And, and one of their departments, this is a pretty small company I just
Speaker:happened to see him again, like the same day, that same day or the day
Speaker:after that announcement happened.
Speaker:And he doesn't work for them anymore.
Speaker:But I was asking him a couple questions, like basically I just was like, so is
Speaker:this all, what do you think of this?
Speaker:Is this on the up and up?
Speaker:Like, is, is there any.
Speaker:Weird side angle to this, or unfortunately too often maybe in America that there's
Speaker:always some angle on, like, we're still making billions on this donation.
Speaker:But he says it's completely genuine.
Speaker:And the, the founder is exactly what he's like made to be in articles.
Speaker:And his family in particular, he said the same thing.
Speaker:The article did, which I trust him was saying that they believed that
Speaker:billionaires are a policy error basically.
Speaker:And they never wanted to be billionaires.
Speaker:And they really technically weren't, but they were a privately owned company, so
Speaker:they could do whatever they wanted in the end, which is so unique in America
Speaker:that they never went public to make more money or to, they didn't have enough
Speaker:money at some point and needed it.
Speaker:But I think what's interesting, like you said, is it sets a new precedent
Speaker:honestly, of like what you can do and how something can transition so that
Speaker:we were joking, like they didn't get bought by north face and turn into
Speaker:like a sorority sweatshirt company.
Speaker:Not that, Not that, they're maybe the worst example, but like it's just
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:greed is everywhere
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:on a lighter note.
Speaker:I don't know if I understand this.
Speaker:This is, you know, like you said before, we wanna leave notes, but we
Speaker:don't want them to be too explanatory.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:You use the nice, nice coding.
Speaker:I don't understand it at all.
Speaker:mine is just three words.
Speaker:We've got a gap as you know, in detailing and a bit torn as to the best way to
Speaker:fill that gap, whether to find someone young and moldable and just teach them
Speaker:basically from scratch in terms of how we drive fusion and how to use our
Speaker:templates and get the job done, or to try and find someone a bit more senior,
Speaker:a bit more experienced who can just kind of drop in with very minimal training.
Speaker:I feel like without having sort of gone out and talked to too many people.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I feel like fusion as a software package is relatively young.
Speaker:Like it's only sort of coming through the universities now
Speaker:Seven or eight years old.
Speaker:I think.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So like there's, maybe some outliers like us who have worked in their
Speaker:own business and, you know, are self-taught definitely a big
Speaker:self-taught community of future users.
Speaker:But in terms of people who have actually been trained in, I feel like it's still
Speaker:a fairly small pool, so yeah, I dunno.
Speaker:I kind of just wanna do the thing of like putting it post up on Instagram
Speaker:and saying, Hey, anyone out there like, hypothetically, would you wanna come,
Speaker:come to castle, Maine and oh yeah.
Speaker:I'd remote might be an option, but I feel like depends who it is, but.
Speaker:We'd love to have someone here on site in the workshop, ideally.
Speaker:And you know, maybe a shout out would find sort of weed out.
Speaker:Some people, some people might sort of come out of the woodwork
Speaker:and find us and chat to us.
Speaker:But at the same time, I'm sort of, I feel compelled to do the process properly
Speaker:and like write a PD first and work out exactly what we want and upload that to
Speaker:an employment website, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:dunno,
Speaker:be truthful.
Speaker:You just wanna put it out there and hire some, the first
Speaker:really do.
Speaker:so do what I have.
Speaker:Well, I have, I might have more experience than you in this
Speaker:potentially, which is weird.
Speaker:I've hired I don't know, four people now that have basically all used fusion.
Speaker:Like there's really nobody that's ever worked here that hasn't used fusion.
Speaker:And it was just a big belief for how small we were at the time that
Speaker:Ricky was the perfect example.
Speaker:Honestly, everybody else had some experience with CAD software.
Speaker:Ricky had only used to my, my knowledge only, maybe some other weird
Speaker:software but he used illustrator.
Speaker:What is happening over here?
Speaker:Do you have, do you have an animal down below you?
Speaker:This scared.
Speaker:Something's gonna explode
Speaker:What?
Speaker:onto my desk.
Speaker:Don't mind me.
Speaker:Sorry for interrupting.
Speaker:You just,
Speaker:Ricky.
Speaker:The illustrator.
Speaker:just suddenly like, oh God, Ugh, Ugh.
Speaker:Without then, without you saying that, it just, what it looked like, like something
Speaker:was biting your ankles, which I believe in Australia, there's weird animals.
Speaker:There
Speaker:Oh, yeah.
Speaker:dangerous things,
Speaker:Ricky
Speaker:Rick was, Ricky was one of the best examples of this, I think.
Speaker:And I've had different versions of basically nobody came in knowing
Speaker:fusion very well because it's new, but one guy named Alex went to
Speaker:school, new solid works really well.
Speaker:He picked it up, he picked a fusion within maybe a week and a half of working here
Speaker:just like instantly transitioned and turned out to be far better at me than me.
Speaker:Like he made all of the parameter formulas for how to make the knack wall, in a
Speaker:couple weeks.
Speaker:And then he had to teach me how to do it.
Speaker:and I was like, oh, maybe I'll figure this out.
Speaker:Before he left.
Speaker:He wrote a really nice like guide on how to like make and customize them because
Speaker:we were all just kind of staring at him like, Hey, can you make another of those?
Speaker:Cause we can't figure out how to make another file.
Speaker:So I think it's been.
Speaker:Wildly successful from my experience of like training people into it.
Speaker:Ricky had no experience in anything like that.
Speaker:Really.
Speaker:He used illustrator and then output to mostly 2d vector style, like
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:DS or refugees, and then would set up pretty simple cam for like his
Speaker:Chipo at home or his other job.
Speaker:I forget what he used, but it was nothing like fusion.
Speaker:And which is like, honestly, it's like totally a good reason.
Speaker:Like why I will go back to the same kind of, well of the right.
Speaker:The same kind of person.
Speaker:Like, he's so excited to learn that from day one.
Speaker:I, I remember in the interview, he said, I will learn how to do 3d machining.
Speaker:Like that was like the thing he was really after.
Speaker:And I was like, oh, well, we can do that.
Speaker:Like, we can definitely do that.
Speaker:And he's, he's gone from, you know, maybe opening fusion when he was
Speaker:interviewing to like, He's making parametric models that are on our
Speaker:website that you can download right now.
Speaker:Like yeah, it's taken a bit of time, but like, I guess it depends.
Speaker:If I go back to your question, it's like, how soon do you
Speaker:need this to be useful to you?
Speaker:This person and their skillset.
Speaker:Yeah, both Josh and I would be the ones training this new person.
Speaker:So, and we are both pretty time limited, so that whilst I'd love to take someone
Speaker:from scratch, I dunno that we have time in the period that we need the role sort
Speaker:of fleshed out and filled to do that.
Speaker:Mm-hmm
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Are there many good.
Speaker:Tech, what we call them, like technical schools here, like community colleges
Speaker:or that do training on like vocational skills, like Cadden cam around,
Speaker:No,
Speaker:is that not a thing in Australia or just not near you?
Speaker:No, I don't know the backstory, but I think a lot of them, a lot of
Speaker:the technical schools were canned
Speaker:Were they
Speaker:in the, in the past.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like government
Speaker:interesting.
Speaker:technical schools.
Speaker:And I think there's been a push now.
Speaker:We've got a massive shortage in trades.
Speaker:Same
Speaker:And now I think the current government is trying to like reinstate and
Speaker:refund a lot of that sort of training to get trades back again.
Speaker:So it.
Speaker:At that classic cycle, but yeah, no, I'm not aware of any training
Speaker:program in other than like industrial design or product design engineering
Speaker:at university where they'll they'll have semester infusion or something.
Speaker:I'm not aware of any sort of
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:program.
Speaker:Well, I know what you have to do.
Speaker:You have to start a school.
Speaker:Starting academy.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Diversify.
Speaker:butter academy
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:and people will always be confused.
Speaker:They're like, are you making, making butter learning how to make butter there?
Speaker:I don't dairy products.
Speaker:What's interesting about, I never, I went to university,
Speaker:but what's what I've learned.
Speaker:I feel like maybe the understanding in America, community colleges,
Speaker:technical schools are like the most successful type of schooling in America.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Like from my perspective, they're profit.
Speaker:They're very low cost for the user, for the people going, and
Speaker:they're speedy and fast, they teach you what you need to know.
Speaker:And for the largest part, I don't think they have any government
Speaker:funding, which is just like wild.
Speaker:Did all that exist in one thing and so many different versions of it.
Speaker:And they're all seemingly very successful.
Speaker:it's
Speaker:very weird.
Speaker:It's I don't understand because everything else like that would be
Speaker:very expensive because somebody would be taking advantage of that situation
Speaker:financially to be a billionaire.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:mm-hmm
Speaker:I don't understand, but I'm all for 'em I've communicated a little bit
Speaker:with the local couple local ones.
Speaker:And I was, I've always trying you've maybe you've run the same thing.
Speaker:I'm always trying to hire for the longest time.
Speaker:Somebody that would run a CNC router and work with wood.
Speaker:And every one of these programs, there's no wood programs for CNC.
Speaker:They're always like, well, we teach hos LA hohos LA and hos mills.
Speaker:So maybe somebody has some idea about that or has done word working
Speaker:in their garage, growing up.
Speaker:I'm like, Ugh, that's not really like quite the same thing.
Speaker:You know, if you're wanting somebody to just come in and, and know it, but they're
Speaker:always very receptive to discussing it.
Speaker:Not that that's helpful for you.
Speaker:no, it's a pretty unique skill set here too.
Speaker:I think.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's people that have ended up with that skillset.
Speaker:But they're not very common.
Speaker:And half of them have already worked at butter.
Speaker:Ha.
Speaker:Well, internship.
Speaker:This is why I think like Saunders' program with the internship, you
Speaker:know, having students in is so smart.
Speaker:Cause it's.
Speaker:You know, they're getting great experience.
Speaker:You're not fully committed to an employee, so it's, part-time they're
Speaker:kind of like a fulltime employee.
Speaker:Like you're not like handholding them necessarily, and then
Speaker:you either can hire them.
Speaker:Full-time if they're great or they can continue on with their
Speaker:education or something, you know,
Speaker:They go back.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:nice.
Speaker:I wish I could make, find a way to make that work here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We need to do more of that.
Speaker:I mean, that's, that was Josh's story.
Speaker:He was a summer intern and stayed on,
Speaker:um,
Speaker:Maybe this is like something that I feel like fusion, you know, there's like that
Speaker:skilled, like diagram thing, you can look up what your skill infusion is.
Speaker:I feel like they should find a way to like, turn that into like a LinkedIn
Speaker:thing where like you're trying to hire.
Speaker:And there's like a way to like, have a job board of people with these badges
Speaker:of like capability or something.
Speaker:And it doesn't even have to be that so much.
Speaker:It's just like fusion should have some form of like job board or I don't know.
Speaker:I guess that doesn't have to be that specific, but
Speaker:yeah, no, I know what you mean.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, anything else on your list?
Speaker:Optional parameters.
Speaker:I do have this, the optional parameter trick.
Speaker:I sent you a video of it's something that I've been trying to work
Speaker:out forever mostly the cabinet scenario and it still fails pretty
Speaker:drastically in that situation.
Speaker:And that's primarily because of how a fusion doesn't allow so basically
Speaker:like when you're trying to make like a pocket cup into a door and
Speaker:it goes in one time and then if you change it to the other side, it
Speaker:can't not be there the second time.
Speaker:Like when you change it, it causes an error in the timeline.
Speaker:It's like space, time, continuum of Facebook of like,
Speaker:that's, that's a better title.
Speaker:So as I showed
Speaker:you and I could barely Des as I could barely describe to you in my delirium
Speaker:at the end of that day I figured out how to make a very parametric, optional
Speaker:style jaw set for a vice where you could move the stock around, depending
Speaker:on whether you did a binary of ones and zeros, it would be center aligned
Speaker:or left, or if you turned it to.
Speaker:Into the parallels instead of on top and mighty bites of the device, it
Speaker:would shift that down and put it in the right position and all to help pay, to
Speaker:figure out how to do this a little bit better, but I want to figure out faster
Speaker:ways to setups that doesn't include rebuilding all of this every time or
Speaker:having a bunch of different files.
Speaker:So I'm hoping at some point I will find the words to describe this
Speaker:because it's very confusing to me still, and the words don't come out.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I, yeah, it's such a hard thing to like, communicate.
Speaker:Particularly in, in an audio program.
Speaker:With video is hard.
Speaker:exactly.
Speaker:But I, yeah, that screen share you sent me last week, I think was a leap forward for
Speaker:me in terms of that min max parameter use.
Speaker:And I made like in my little hacky experiments, which I sent back to you,
Speaker:like, I immediately made progress in terms of that sort of binary switching stuff.
Speaker:So yeah, we're getting there.
Speaker:But that should work.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I think if you can ever get it to work with, you could ever
Speaker:get it to work with features.
Speaker:If you can pattern a feature or mirror a feature that's like the most foolproof
Speaker:way to like make it work usually.
Speaker:But the also frustrating problem is you can't pattern or mirror into.
Speaker:Other components seemingly that fails too.
Speaker:There's just a lot of ways you can
Speaker:fail at
Speaker:be nice to be able to, it'd be nice to be able to control suppressions
Speaker:with parameters somehow, too.
Speaker:That's something I've run into
Speaker:There may be a future of that happening
Speaker:Say no more Well, I'm gonna go and see what's catching fire in my wall.
Speaker:So it sounds like there's a transformer.
Speaker:That's about to explode in my drywall
Speaker:oh my God.
Speaker:Oh my God run.
Speaker:Don't walk my I'm probably hopefully gonna plan in the
Speaker:mill make more aluminum parts.
Speaker:I figured out my reer.
Speaker:Thanks to the discords help.
Speaker:That's pretty fun.
Speaker:Make fricking spot on holes.
Speaker:Now they're within a th it's very fun.
Speaker:What did I say?
Speaker:No just . Rema is a funny word.
Speaker:Does that mean something different to you there?
Speaker:I'll tell you later.
Speaker:See you,
Speaker:have a good day.
Speaker:Bye.
Speaker:I didn't know you used that, like the British too.
