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Bird Flu: Risks, Realities, Readiness
Episode 638th January 2025 • Fork U with Dr. Terry Simpson • Terry Simpson
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Bird Flu: What You Need to Know About Risks, Realities, and Readiness

Bird flu, or highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI), has far-reaching effects on public health, the food supply, and even the global economy. While human-to-human transmission hasn’t occurred, its potential to mutate poses significant concerns. Understanding how bird flu impacts us today — and how science is working to mitigate its risks — is essential.

In this blog post, we’ll explore the realities of bird flu, its effects on food prices, the role of vaccines, and practical tips to stay safe. Let’s break it down into manageable pieces so you’re fully informed.

What Is Bird Flu, and Why Should You Care?

Bird flu primarily affects birds, especially poultry, like chickens and turkeys. However, certain strains, such as H5N1, have occasionally infected humans. While these cases are rare, they carry a high mortality rate of over 50%, making the virus particularly dangerous if contracted.

Why Human-to-Human Transmission Matters

Here’s the good news: Bird flu isn’t currently spreading from person to person. The bad news? Experts worry about a process called reassortment, where bird flu and human flu viruses could mix in someone infected with both. This could result in a highly contagious and deadly strain capable of causing a pandemic.

Despite some conspiracy theories, no laboratory is working on gain-of-function research to make bird flu more transmissible. These myths are counterproductive, distracting from real medical efforts to monitor and control the virus.


Rising Prices: How Bird Flu Impacts Your Wallet

If you’ve noticed higher prices at the grocery store, bird flu is partly to blame. The virus has disrupted the poultry industry and the broader food supply chain.

Egg Prices Soar

When bird flu outbreaks occur, millions of chickens are culled to prevent the virus from spreading. This reduction in supply causes egg prices to skyrocket, leaving many of us paying more for our morning omelets.

Dairy Costs Climb

Bird flu also affects dairy products. The demand for poultry feed drives up costs for dairy farmers, who often rely on the same feed. Additionally, in rare cases, parts of the bird flu virus have been detected in raw milk. This is yet another reason to avoid raw, unpasteurized milk and stick to pasteurized dairy products for safety.


The Role of Vaccines: Science in Action

Vaccines are at the heart of our response to bird flu, but they serve different purposes for birds and humans.

Vaccines for Poultry

Scientists are developing vaccines for poultry to control the virus in bird populations. These vaccines could:

  • Reduce the need for mass culling.
  • Lower the economic impact on the poultry industry.
  • Decrease the risk of the virus spilling over into humans or other animals.

While these efforts are promising, it will take time before poultry vaccines are widely implemented.

Vaccines for Humans

For humans, H5N1 vaccines are available for at-risk workers like poultry farmers and wildlife handlers. However:

  • These vaccines are strain-specific and may not protect against a mutated strain.
  • They are not available to the general public.
  • In the event of a pandemic, new vaccines would need to be developed, which takes time.

Seasonal Flu Vaccines: Why They Still Matter

You might wonder, “If the flu shot doesn’t protect against bird flu, why get it?” The answer lies in preventing co-infections.

When someone is sick with both seasonal flu and bird flu, there’s a risk the two viruses could mix, creating a new, more dangerous strain. By getting your flu shot, you reduce your chances of catching seasonal flu, which helps minimize this risk. Remember, vaccines are not about completely preventing illness; they’re about reducing severe outcomes like hospitalization and death.


Practical Tips: How to Stay Safe

Whether you’re a hunter, backyard birder, or just someone who loves eggs, here’s how to reduce your risk:

For Hunters

  • Avoid handling sick or dead birds. Report them to local authorities.
  • Use gloves and masks when field dressing game, and disinfect tools afterward.
  • Cook wild birds to an internal temperature of 165°F (73.8°C) to kill viruses.

For Backyard Bird Feeders

  • Clean bird feeders and baths regularly with soap and disinfectant.
  • Avoid contact with bird droppings; wear gloves during cleaning.
  • Keep pets, especially cats, away from areas frequented by wild birds.

For Pet Owners

Cats are surprisingly vulnerable to bird flu. They can contract the virus by hunting infected birds or contacting bird droppings. To protect your pets:

  • Keep cats indoors during outbreaks.
  • Monitor them for symptoms like lethargy or respiratory distress.
  • Consult a vet if your cat shows any signs of illness.

General Food Safety

  • Always cook poultry and eggs thoroughly to an internal temperature of 165°F (73.8°C).
  • Avoid raw, unpasteurized milk and stick to pasteurized dairy products.
  • Wash your hands thoroughly after handling birds or poultry products.

Science Evolves: Trust the Process

In science, recommendations change as we learn more. This isn’t a sign of uncertainty but a testament to how science adapts to new evidence. The same applies to vaccines — their primary purpose is to prevent severe illness and death, not to guarantee you won’t get sick. Trust in the scientific process is vital as we navigate complex challenges like bird flu.


Stay Updated

Bird flu isn’t just a health issue; it’s a food and economic issue, too. The virus has already disrupted poultry and dairy markets, and its potential to mutate keeps public health experts on high alert. Fortunately, science is actively working on solutions, from vaccines to monitoring programs.

For regular updates on bird flu, follow me on TikTok and Instagram at @drterrysimpson, where I share timely insights and tips. And don’t forget to subscribe to my podcast, Fork U, for in-depth discussions about science, health, and smart eating.


Final Thoughts

Bird flu poses significant challenges, but by staying informed and following practical steps, we can protect ourselves and our communities. Whether it’s understanding vaccine roles, debunking myths, or adapting to rising food prices, knowledge is the first line of defense.

Thank you for reading! Stay safe, stay informed, and remember that prevention is the best recipe for a healthy life.

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>> Dr. Terry Simpson: Today we're diving into the bird flu,

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a virus with far reaching implications on public

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health, food supply, and

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pandemic preparedness. We'll discuss its

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effect upon food prices, vaccines for

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poultry and humans, and the steps you can take to

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stay safe. Whether you're just someone wanting

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to know how to prepare your chicken, whether you have

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outdoor bird feeders, whether you're a hunter, we'll help

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you out. Along the way, I'll debunk some myths and explain why

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evolving science is our greatest tool in addressing these

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risks.

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I am your Chief Medical Explanationist, Dr. Terry Simpson,

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and this is Forku Fork University,

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where we make sense of the madness, bust a few myths, and teach

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you a little bit about food and medicine.

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If this sounds familiar,

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yes, I am worried.

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Before I was a surgeon, I was a virologist, and I'm actually

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published in the field. Never did I think before

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2020 that those roles would intersect. And I

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hoped after 2020 I would not have to think

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about pandemics again. In

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February of 2020, I was asked on KTAR radio

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in Phoenix if I was afraid of this new virus

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called COVID 19. And I said I

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was. I even said that I was so much

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concerned that I canceled a flight from California to

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Phoenix to see my mom and dad and instead was

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driving there. 2020 was

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awful, and in the hospital were hundreds of

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patients sick and dying. From COVID

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19, I would go to the hospital in

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scrubs, put on lots of protective gear,

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and before I went home, which were usually long 18

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hours, days, would strip out of those scrubs at the hospital,

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shower at the hospital, put on fresh scrubs, go home,

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shower and change again. Those

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were the days when the very breath of someone infected

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could kill you. When the new

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vaccine arrived in California, I pushed

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my way into line to get it on December

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18th. This was a frustrating

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time. Lots of burnouts from many of us in the

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medical field. I remember going home after taking

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care of sick people and seeing how people on Facebook

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would tell me that I was wrong, that there was no problem,

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that COVID 19 was just a farce, or that I had a

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political agenda. It was frustrating.

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And many nurses, doctors, respiratory

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therapists, um, and others left the field of medicine because

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people didn't see what we saw in the hospital.

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It wasn't just a disease of the old and

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feeble Bird flu, if it

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mutates, can be potentially worse.

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So let's talk about it. Bird flu,

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also known as a highly pathogenic avian

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influenza, or the acronym is

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hpai. That's avian not

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alien. It affects birds, but can occasionally jump

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to humans. And while human to human

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transmission has not been observed, the virus has

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a high mortality rate of over 50% in

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confirmed human cases, making it a serious

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concern. Consider that COVID 19

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that has killed over 1.3 million people in the United

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States had a mortality rate of about

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1%. The greatest fear in public

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health is that bird flu could mix with seasonal flu

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through a process called reassortment, creating a new

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strain capable of spreading easily between

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humans. This is why monitoring preventing outbreaks

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in birds, poultry, and other animals is

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crucial. Let me address a common

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misperception. There is no laboratory

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currently working on gain of function research for bird

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flu. Gain of function means that the function would

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change in the virus to make it more transmissible to human.

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That is not occurring. Claims like this are conspiracy

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theories that distract from real medical efforts.

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Instead, scientists are focusing on surveillance,

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prevention and developing solutions like

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antivirals and vaccines. Spreading false

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claims undermines public trust and distracts

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from practical advice.

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Let's start with how you've seen bird flu impact

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you. It doesn't just affect health, but it

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disrupts the economy and has already. Egg

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prices are probably what you have seen most. The

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culling of, uh, millions of chickens because of infection of

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bird flu has drastically reduced egg supplies,

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causing prices to skyrocket. This has

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also affected dairy prices because of increased

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food costs for the animals and because of

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increased risks of milk.

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So you're probably going to see higher milk and cheese prices in the near

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future. Additionally, bird flu

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viruses have been detected, partial

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viruses in pasteurized milk.

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This means it's even more dangerous in raw milk that hasn't

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been pasteurized. Pasteurization,

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which raises the temperature of milk to, uh, about

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40 degrees below boiling for 12 seconds.

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Pasteurization completely

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eliminates the infectivity of any

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virus. So please avoid drinking raw,

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unpasteurized milk and avoid raw

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and unpasteurized cheese.

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What about the role of vaccines? You know, they have

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always played a critical role in managing health risk, but

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let's clarify their purpose. Vaccines are

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not about completely preventing illness.

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They're not a bubble you put around you and you won't get

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sick. But instead, the aim is to

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significantly reduce the risk of severe

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disease, hospitalizations, and death. And they

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do that well. This is true for seasonal flu

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vaccine, COVID 19 vaccine, and any potential

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vaccines for bird flu. Why do we have to keep making

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new vaccines for COVID 19 and influenza? Because

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they rapidly mutate. And when they rapidly mutate, we need

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to bring in the next bird version of the vaccine.

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Science evolves over time and adapting to new

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information and challenges. The flexibility of science isn't a

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flaw, it's a strength. Public health

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recommendations may change as we learn more about viruses like

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bird flu, but that's okay. The

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only dogmas occur in religion and people who have a

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set point of view that don't want to change with the times.

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Trust in this process of scientific evolution

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because it's essential in protecting ourselves and our

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communities.

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What about vaccines? Scientists are developing

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bird flu vaccines for poultry to control the

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virus in bird populations. We want to reduce the need for

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culling and the economic impact to the poultry industry.

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Lower the risk of virus spilling over to humans and other animals.

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It hasn't been developed yet, but it's in the process. What about

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vaccines for human While there are

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H5N1 and that's the designation we use for the

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bird flu and that has to do with the

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antibodies and the antigen spikes, they are

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stockpiled for at risk workers such as poultry farmers and

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wildlife handlers. However, these vaccines are

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strain specific and may not protect against new

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mutations. Just like every year we have a new influenza

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vaccine, we may need a new H5N1

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vaccine if it makes the jump to where it can be

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transmitted from human to human. Those

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vaccines aren't available to the general public, and they would likely not

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prevent a pandemic caused by a mutated strain capable of

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human to human transmission. But this underscores why

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prevention and monitoring are crucial to stopping bird flu

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before it becomes a broader threat.

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What about hunters, backyard bird feeders and pet owners? For

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hunters, you need to avoid handling

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sick or dead birds. Use gloves and masks

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when field dressing game and disinfect your

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tools afterwards. Cooking wild birds to an

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internal temperature of 165 degrees Fahrenheit

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or 73.8 degrees centigrade will kill

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the virus. For backyard Bird Feeders

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Clean your bird feeders and baths regularly with soap and

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disinfectant. Avoid contact with bird droppings.

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Wear gloves during the cleaning and consider wearing

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an um, N, M95 or K95 mask.

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Keep your pets away from areas frequented by

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wild birds. For pet owners know that cats

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are particularly vulnerable to bird flu,

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often contacting it by hunting infected birds

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or contacting bird breeding droppings. The

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mortality rates among cats is very high,

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so if you're having an outbreak in your area, your outdoor cat

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needs to become an indoor cat and monitoring them for

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symptoms like lethargy or respiratory distress,

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consulting a vet if needed. There are some

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general CDC recommendations. Cooking

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poultry and eggs thoroughly ensuring a temperature of

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165Fahrenheit or 73.8

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centigrade. Avoid handling dead birds. Report

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them to wildlife authorities like your local fish and game.

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Wash your hands thoroughly after handling birds or

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poultry products. Stick to pasteurized

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dairy, avoiding raw milk, raw cheese to avoid minimal

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exposure to the pathogens. Let's

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recap Human to human

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transmission of bird flu hasn't occurred, but

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the virus has such a high mortality rate the

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mutation could cause a more serious pandemic than we are

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currently in with COVID While there are

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poultry vaccines in development and

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H5N1 vaccines exist for at risk workers,

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they will not help if we have a new mutation that

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causes human to human transmission. Bird

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flu has raised eggs and dairy prices

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due to culling and feed disruptions in the

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economy. Expect this will continue until we

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develop poultry vaccines. We

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cannot develop a vaccine

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against wild birds,

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so wild birds are still going to be a vector or

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a transmissible agent for bird flu.

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Stay safe with hygiene and

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vaccination and remember, the vaccines are about

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reducing outcomes, not eliminating illness

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entirely. Trust the science as it evolves.

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It's our best defense. It's our best

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process. And finally, if you want regular updates

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about the bird flu, you can follow me on TikTok as long as we

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have it anyway and Instagram. My handle ON Both

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is Dr. Terry Simpson, where I will share

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some timely insights, practical tips and keep you up to

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date with the latest recommendation. And don't forget to

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subscribe to this podcast for more comprehensive discussions not only

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about science and health, but eating smart and

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healthy. Please check out the

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website associated with this podcast or my blog which is

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YourDoctorsOrders.com or

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4Q.com thank you for tuning in to

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4Q. Stay informed, stay safe and remember,

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prevention is our best recipe for a healthy

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life. Until next time, eat smart, stay vigilant

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and always keep your forks and knowledge sharp.

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This podcast was researched and written

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by me, Dr. Terry Simpson and while I am a physician, I

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am not your physician. If you are sick or need

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more help understanding this, please see a regularly board

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certified Western trained physician. Not a

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chiropractor, not some weird eastern thought

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because because they don't have anything that will help you that much.

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They've never helped during a pandemic and won't

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again. I want to thank the distributors of this

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podcast, Simpler Media and my friend the pod God,

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Mr. Evo Terra. Until next time, stay

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safe out there.

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Hey Evo, I don't know if you've seen egg prices

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jump where you are, but, man, it's

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pretty bad here. I'm eating mostly beans for

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breakfast. I hope you're doing well.

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>> Speaker B: Yeah, I'm kind of less concerned about the egg

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prices, which, sure, they're up, but

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more concerned about

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another pandemic. Terry,

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really,

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I need off this plan.

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