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3 - The Pencil Sharpener
Episode 3 • 25th April 2022 • Parts Department • Justin Brouillette & Jem Freeman
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The Like Butter Pencil Sharpener genesis story is told, power chaos ensues at PDX CNC. CNC crashes, and good old fashioned Robot Talk.

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Jem Freeman

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Justin:

Hey, Hey so unfortunately those fuses hold on back orders.

Justin:

So I can't get one

Justin:

well, yeah, jumping into the chaos of the day.

Justin:

I've been rushing to finish this job that I was talking about last week, that

Justin:

brass parts kind of snuck up on me as I was trying to get the mill figured out.

Justin:

So I could run larger files.

Justin:

On Monday I woke up and I was like, Oh, dang, gotta finish those parts.

Justin:

And I've been crunching on that.

Justin:

In the same time we had our electrician installed the Kaeser.

Justin:

I think I've heard, said it.

Justin:

It said, and that happened yesterday real quick.

Justin:

And I was like, all right, great.

Justin:

We'll call them, have them come, start it up.

Justin:

They came this morning as far as I can tell what happened was wires were

Justin:

touching and the breaker went on and it.

Jem:

oh,

Justin:

My lighting might look a little better today because I'm

Justin:

currently using a video light and extension cords to power my office,

Jem:

oh shit.

Jem:

You're on extension cards.

Jem:

Wow.

Jem:

Okay.

Justin:

stressful, but everything seems to be fine.

Justin:

Aside from the waiting on the electrician to come.

Justin:

Yeah, just, just somewhat humorous, I suppose, at the moment, assuming

Justin:

it didn't fry the compressor.

Justin:

I don't think it did, Potentially the fuse outside of our building

Justin:

where the power comes in may be messed up because one of the legs

Justin:

of the three-phase gets four volts.

Justin:

Right now it's supposed to be at least a hundred something.

Justin:

So like somehow my office is on that.

Jem:

Oh, wow.

Justin:

the bathroom doesn't work or fridges turned off.

Justin:

It's like this weird series of things, so it's not gone excellent.

Justin:

Just a little

Jem:

Crazy.

Justin:

it's

Jem:

Where, where were the, where was the short-circuit at the termination?

Justin:

so like the wires were dangling out of the compressor.

Justin:

The three-phase like some high amperage, higher voltage, and

Justin:

apparently are touching when you turned the breaker on accidentally.

Jem:

Oh,

Justin:

So actually they might not have been touching the

Justin:

compressor at all, which is great.

Justin:

Just somehow I didn't know this was possible, but there's a, it seems like

Justin:

the fuse outside took the brunt of it.

Justin:

I don't know if those are expensive, but I don't think I'll have

Justin:

to pay for it, which is nice.

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Power is when power goes wrong.

Jem:

It really goes wrong.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I'm glad this is exactly why I don't attempt to mess

Justin:

with the three-phase stuff.

Justin:

Myself and panel is confusing.

Justin:

do you have multi-phase stuff there like that?

Justin:

Yeah,

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

How's your

Justin:

week been

Jem:

I

Jem:

don't, think I should talk about my electrical history on the podcast.

Justin:

too damning.

Jem:

Much do damning.

Jem:

It's been a bit challenging, a couple of people away this week.

Jem:

We one isolating close contact and another one with symptoms

Jem:

and isolating just to be safe.

Jem:

One of those people who's Johnny and machinist, which means, yours

Jem:

truly as on the machines this week.

Jem:

Which is cool.

Jem:

Like I love getting on the machines.

Jem:

But it's also really stressful because I'm just running behind

Jem:

on all the other things that I'm supposed to be doing, but that's okay.

Jem:

I just have to sort of stop long enough to appreciate it.

Justin:

Yeah, no, I know that feeling exactly

Jem:

I can really enjoy this, you know, if I, if I, yeah.

Jem:

If I, and I appreciate it, then that's great fun getting to run three machines

Jem:

and try and keep them ticking all day.

Jem:

But yeah,

Justin:

Do you feel rusty at all when that happened?

Jem:

um, I Do a little bit,

Justin:

same,

Jem:

it didn't take me too long to get back into it yesterday or this week,

Jem:

but yeah, there's definitely rusty bits.

Jem:

toolpaths Particularly, got my fusion template and, you know, making you

Jem:

set up and I drop in John and I keep separate operate like toolpath templates,

Jem:

But John's is going to be way more up to date, but it's very, you know, customs

Jem:

to him cause he's made, made them.

Jem:

So I don't bother trying to use his template.

Jem:

I'd just pull in my old one.

Jem:

And it's a bit of an updating, cause he's made changes to the

Jem:

tool register and that sort of, it's definitely a bit of a change.

Jem:

We've like what John's got a new roughing and finishing cutter and making sure that

Jem:

I'm employing those, my strategies and updating my templates and stuff like that.

Jem:

But once I'm sort of up and running, that's great.

Jem:

I

Justin:

That's that's one of the harder things I've found growing

Justin:

into this new machine, as a 20 tool changer, just like double what we're

Justin:

used to, you know, for the router.

Justin:

And it's kind of obscured to, with or routers, head up.

Justin:

It's just, they're all just sitting there, you know, you can go look at

Justin:

them, which one's in which spot, but the, the mill, I think it's pretty

Justin:

common that it puts them away.

Justin:

it seems arbitrary, but it puts them away into whatever's available inside.

Justin:

So there's numbers that are pockets, but you can look in the window and they

Justin:

mean nothing because that's not the tool

Justin:

number

Jem:

Ah, So it knows where the total is,

Jem:

but it doesn't match what you think it is necessarily.

Justin:

I was told at one point you can match them, but it, the amount

Justin:

of stress to make that work was not worth it to basically like when

Justin:

I call a tool or, you know, like the cam G-code does it on its own.

Justin:

it always is right.

Justin:

Assuming you've loaded the tool in the right tool number, just,

Justin:

you know, called that tool.

Justin:

the challenge exactly what you're describing and I haven't mastered

Justin:

this we're, we're working on tool tags that would need to be accurate.

Justin:

But when you change machinists, like when Andy was running it prior, it's not

Justin:

necessarily what's in fusion anymore.

Justin:

So I got set up cam and then I'm like uh, oh, I've got to go

Justin:

check every tool I'm going to use.

Justin:

Cause they're just arbitrarily in this machine.

Justin:

You know, I can't just look at it and say, oh, they're all right.

Jem:

Yeah,

Justin:

It's a bit of a ch Yeah,

Justin:

I don't love that right now.

Jem:

yeah, I was doing a lot of sort of prototyping work yesterday.

Jem:

And so lots of tool changes, lots of tools that aren't necessarily

Jem:

in regular production or weren't in the machine already.

Jem:

And then I find, I found myself wanting like, you know, a tool

Jem:

matrix or just like a, really, either a machine with heaps of tools.

Jem:

So you can just keep everything in the machine and just draw on it as you need

Jem:

it, or having way more tools outside the machine with manual tool numbers on them.

Jem:

And you just like call tool 16, which is external to the tool changer.

Jem:

And it just it asks for tool 16 and you manually put it in.

Jem:

But yeah, we've started using tool tags a little bit.

Jem:

John rolled that out a few months ago, made little plastic tool tags, and now our

Jem:

system is still pretty basic, but at least on the newer, yeah, like that exactly

Jem:

on our newer machine on Trinity as.

Jem:

because she's got knives, she's got a rotary tool changer.

Jem:

And so you can't see what's in there.

Jem:

It's got seven tools in this rotary carousel, and you have to like,

Jem:

basically put M codes into the control that to pull that one tool at a time

Jem:

and go, oh, what's a, what is that?

Jem:

Oh, that one.

Jem:

Okay, cool.

Jem:

And then pull another M code to pull up

Jem:

another

Jem:

tool.

Jem:

It's really slow.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Whereas our original multicam machine you just like open the

Jem:

flap And just oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jem:

Like, cause you have to changes by app on

Jem:

the

Justin:

just out there.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah, which feels a little like, um, simple now after, you know,

Justin:

digging into more machines over time and we've upgraded ours cause it used

Justin:

to have five, but now we're at 10.

Jem:

and you just physically, physically, added more spots.

Jem:

Did you have to teach the machine, the new position?

Justin:

sorry, we have 12.

Justin:

I forgot.

Justin:

Yes.

Justin:

So we had five or five and you could upgrade to 10 with

Justin:

the, basically the same setup.

Justin:

You just duplicate it So we're going to have to move the five, in the first place.

Justin:

It's a long story, but the machine we have doesn't have great dust

Justin:

collection stock, which I think is pretty common with a lot of routers.

Justin:

They're not, know, it's either been really considered or

Justin:

it's kind of a kind of works.

Justin:

This just never has had a great part of it's the way that the tool changes.

Justin:

And so there was this limitation in the way that the dust boot that

Justin:

it goes around, the spindle could come down and still tool change.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

So part of that solution, which we haven't solved the dust collection

Justin:

aspect yet, but was to change the way that the tool posts stand so that it could

Justin:

go over top of it with the dust boot.

Justin:

we had duties that awhile back and wanted to have more tools.

Justin:

So we actually managed to get 12 spots instead of the S the manufacturer only

Justin:

allows 10 and made that was our first major project with the mill, which was

Justin:

fun, but we use the mill to actually make those with the router parts.

Justin:

And so now the last part of that is we needed to redesign our dust boot and.

Justin:

Spindle a dust collection and stuff like that.

Justin:

So we can get better dust collection, but yeah, they're all just sitting

Justin:

out on top of the machine, which really has never been a problem.

Justin:

it's never really in the way, the tables oversized for what you need to cut on.

Justin:

So it works.

Jem:

so when you added two more tools to your ATC, into the

Jem:

control And teach it those two new positions?

Justin:

I had to teach every position.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

And part of that,

Jem:

nothing yet.

Justin:

part of that challenge really wasn't a challenge because all

Justin:

they're just basically text files.

Justin:

When CNC controller space.

Justin:

So I just had to go like add T 11 T 12 to 13, and then that

Justin:

was in a few different spots.

Justin:

And then you kind of train the spots by literally just moving

Justin:

to them and then saying, this is where you should tool change at.

Justin:

So it's pretty easy.

Justin:

You can put them wherever, which is kind of interesting.

Justin:

We talked about all

Justin:

these different ways to my dream version of this is a bicycle chain

Justin:

turret that spins around in the

Justin:

back so that you could always change in the same spot, but

Justin:

that thing would change around.

Justin:

You'd have like 50 spots.

Justin:

There's a little bit

Jem:

that'd be cool.

Jem:

That'd be cool.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I, I thought about this before we build the pencil and I was doing all the dowel

Jem:

threading on our flatbed CNC, and I'd cut that big hole into the table to

Jem:

Mount the chuck And I'd pulled one of the 80 ATC spots out to put a little

Jem:

slitting saw in to do the cutoff cycle.

Jem:

And then I was thinking, I was like, cool, can I just start cutting more

Jem:

holes in the table and Mount like a, another tool holder with a biggest

Jem:

sole blade on it, which doesn't fit in the IDC and teach the machine to come

Jem:

over here and pick up the sole blade.

Jem:

And I am ashamed a little bit locked up in terms of the control.

Jem:

So I had to sort of sweet talk one of the technicians at multicam into

Jem:

sending me this like dump file with all the M codes for the machine in it.

Jem:

And it looks like it's got the ability to train it, into obviously

Jem:

it does because they have to do that when they build the machine.

Justin:

Yeah, what I would think

Jem:

it's probably possible.

Justin:

I think it would be challenging in our setup would be no, that's not.

Justin:

You can totally do that.

Justin:

What would be challenging is if you needed a different movement to dock

Justin:

different than all the other spots, but you could tell, we can tell it to go.

Justin:

Way highway low X Y different spots, because that's technically how

Justin:

the touch probe for Z Heights is like 13 then I think, it goes and

Justin:

uses that spot as a saved position where it does it's touching.

Justin:

So,

Jem:

measure the tow heights Yeah.

Jem:

Right.

Jem:

Okay.

Justin:

had to move to.

Justin:

that's interesting.

Justin:

You brought that up.

Justin:

All right.

Justin:

It's been on the list for a few times.

Justin:

I think, we should talk about the pencil sharpener.

Justin:

Cause it's one of the coolest machines I've seen in awhile and a I want to

Justin:

know the backstory B I'll tell you.

Justin:

it's basically how I came to know you was.

Justin:

I think I got recommended your Instagram and it was you standing at your kitchen

Justin:

sink doing maybe your partner had filmed.

Justin:

And You were doing this mental process of what looked like,

Justin:

probably holding your dowels and then trying to access different aspects.

Justin:

And I think he had longer hair at the time and I was.

Justin:

just like, I think I read the caption.

Justin:

I was like, oh, I've done this so many times.

Justin:

And I followed you at that point and didn't know that you were eventually

Justin:

building this crazy machine, but you were doing your router version of it.

Justin:

I think you had figured out how to thread through the table.

Justin:

I very much connected to that same feeling of like, oh, I'll be on a hike sometimes.

Justin:

And I'm doing, doing some mental cam.

Jem:

Yeah, that was, that was mental cam.

Jem:

Trying to nut out the backside machining logic or these parts.

Jem:

Cause they're double ended and the female thread

Jem:

on one side and a male thread on the other end.

Jem:

And

Jem:

I wanted to machine it all in one.

Jem:

So I was kind of, yeah.

Jem:

Trying to

Jem:

not out sort of the

Jem:

Swiss lathe version of that logic of like

Jem:

sub spindle main spindle transfer.

Jem:

The pencil is probably a fairly long tail, but I can cover off a bit of it.

Jem:

Basically.

Jem:

We started threading dowels on our flatbed router, just with a

Jem:

really janky fixture that kind of hung out over the tool changer.

Jem:

And I had to turn the machine limits off to get the machine out off the bed far

Jem:

enough to be able to access these dowels and this like dodgy like jig that I'd made

Jem:

out of MDF But that kind of started day.

Jem:

And like the 2019 I think started mucking around with it basically

Jem:

inspired by Saunders stuff and he's thread milling videos.

Jem:

I was like, oh, I wonder if I can thread mail know I bought a thread single point

Jem:

thread cutter and just worked it out.

Jem:

and then, cause that was around the same time that I was really getting into fusion

Jem:

as a cam package and fusion makes thread milling so easy by there's lots of little

Jem:

bits and pieces to work out, but compared to what we were trying to do at, in, I

Jem:

think you mentioned Vcarve last week, we don't use VCarve but we've got en-route,

Jem:

which is a very similar 2d cam package, but sort of cabinet making, which would

Jem:

have never allowed us to thread mill.

Jem:

So yeah, moving through into fusion, that became an option and I was

Jem:

just, exploratory thing that I was coming in early and muck around with.

Jem:

And that led into what is now our flagship product of KittaParts the

Jem:

threaded down modular shelving that sold really well for about a year.

Jem:

And then a friend, two friends, both of whom employees.

Jem:

One of them, Tom was watching what I was doing on the machines.

Jem:

And then he jumped in rhino one day and he'd like sketched

Jem:

up this multi-spindle machine.

Jem:

He was like, why do you want, you can get rid of all the tool changes if

Jem:

you had just had both tools accessible at all times, and you moved the work

Jem:

instead of moving the tool and that kind of planted to seed of this, you know,

Jem:

maybe we could custom make a machine.

Jem:

And then another ex-employee John, who has a little company

Jem:

called Laundromat manufacturing.

Jem:

He went out on his own about five years ago and started this little,

Jem:

machining engineering business.

Jem:

We got John and Tom and myself in a room about eighteen months ago

Jem:

And just hatched this plan to like, make this multi-spindle machine.

Jem:

So that video, you saw that Laura shot of me cooking dinner, try

Jem:

and have like hatch out the logic.

Jem:

I think that was the night after we'd had that meeting and I was still like,

Jem:

just had all these ideas about like tool access and how we're going to do it.

Jem:

and then yeah, over the course of about six months, John basically designed

Jem:

and built this multi-spindle CNC machine that uses a Masso touch screen

Jem:

controller, which is a really cool system.

Jem:

If anyone's building CNC machines, we've got this mental four

Jem:

axis, five spindle CNC machine.

Jem:

That's dedicated to processing 35 mill dowel and it's Jill it's effectively,

Jem:

it's sort of borrowing the logic of a Swiss lathe or not a Swiss, but like a

Jem:

dual spindle lathe of having opposing chucks And being out to part transfer

Jem:

between the two and machine in both the main spindle If that makes sense,

Justin:

Yeah, it makes sense.

Justin:

Cause I've seen it enough times.

Justin:

It's hard.

Justin:

It's hard to describe.

Justin:

I definitely think I did throw a photo in a previous chapter, but

Justin:

we'll put some photos of it, too.

Justin:

It's just check out.

Justin:

Like butter's Instagram, there's a lot of fantastic videos of this thing.

Justin:

It's it's definitely some CNC porn to watch.

Jem:

Yeah,

Jem:

but it's

Jem:

been a pretty fantastic tool, really programming.

Jem:

it was a real

Jem:

challenge,

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Was that's another story I wanted to hear is it's basically custom, right?

Justin:

Like you're just hand coding it.

Jem:

pretty much hand coding.

Jem:

So I'm

Jem:

doing the toolpaths are coming out of fusion, then basically everything else

Jem:

is copy and paste to get that program together, putting the M codes for,

Jem:

you know, starting and stopping the spindles opening and closing the checks

Jem:

and all the, the, positional stuff that happens between the actual

Jem:

machining operations is all hand coded.

Jem:

So the, risk of crashing it is really high because your hand cutting

Jem:

basically rapids with no stimulation

Justin:

Yeah,

Justin:

man.

Jem:

and I've crashed it so

Jem:

many times.

Justin:

do you single block it then when you first run something?

Jem:

I do single block it but it still moves.

Jem:

It's such a small compact machine and the rapids aren't crazy, but relative to

Jem:

its scale, the, rapids are quite quick and say, you have to match that a stop.

Jem:

So fast, this stuff just slamming into itself does assign many points of contact.

Jem:

Like you got two chucks that move independently, X, Y axis the saw

Jem:

blade hanging off the front of it.

Jem:

There's just like so much that can go wrong.

Justin:

Remember when you first set it up.

Justin:

I mean, I get this totally.

Justin:

And I would do the same.

Justin:

It was a first set up, I think it had been delivered and

Justin:

you're like, I gotta run this.

Justin:

And there's just this five or six inch saw blade that does cutoff just

Justin:

kind of hanging out there and like, get to the safety aspects at some

Justin:

point And you keep your arms back for a while, but it was It was a

Justin:

finger chopping machine, maybe arm chopping machine for awhile.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

And in a

Jem:

sense it's still in that sort of, R D mode, like it, he's running

Jem:

production parts and has been

Jem:

for the last year and

Jem:

we haven't had a year less than a year but it's been running production

Jem:

parts for a

Jem:

while now.

Jem:

there's still like, I still haven't commissioned

Jem:

the backside spindles

Jem:

I've barely used them.

Jem:

once it's fully set up, it will be able to feed bar stock in machine one end

Jem:

cut it off, transfer the the back of the part And spit it out all in sort

Jem:

of hands-off autonomous operation.

Jem:

But programming, that is just something that I need, like, uh, just a day of quiet

Jem:

time to myself to just workout the sub spindles and get that all dialed in and

Jem:

position and get the code worked out and.

Justin:

so the problem you guys have going on is you blew a fuse in the

Justin:

main disconnect there, but in order for me to pull it and go get one to

Justin:

fix it, I have to shut everything down.

Justin:

Okay.

Justin:

So they're working on the fuse currently.

Justin:

I think that's the problem.

Justin:

So our entire building power is currently pulled out.

Justin:

I think at the most.

Jem:

Oh,

Justin:

how long that lasts.

Jem:

is it the building shared or just you guys?

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Well, our neighbors are close, but they're separate.

Justin:

So

Jem:

Okay.

Justin:

anyway, I forget you, you're saying something about

Justin:

probably the sharpener, I think.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Look,

Jem:

I think we kind of wrapped up the pencil shot in the backstory.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

yeah, the next step with it is

Jem:

commissioning those sub spindles on the back side and getting that

Jem:

cooking.

Jem:

But at the moment it's smashing away,

Jem:

it's probably made,

Jem:

I dunno, 600 parts in the last day and a half.

Justin:

Do you have to sit and watch for the end of the dowel

Justin:

or does it stop on its own?

Jem:

I've done a really agricultural solution.

Jem:

We've just got a T-bar bar that threads into the end of the

Jem:

Dow and cause it's gravity.

Jem:

The T-bar just hit to physical stuff and wind load.

Jem:

Prior to that, we had a few situations where it fed fed fed fed until those

Jem:

tiny little bit of dowel hanging out of the chuck and it came to

Jem:

do, it's like cut off sequence.

Jem:

And this bit of dowel just went flying across the room.

Justin:

Yeah, I was going to say, I got to put in some kind of weird

Justin:

sensor, otherwise I bet I like the

Justin:

T-bar that's that's a good solution

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Otherwise it's unite sensor and the name of colored and

Jem:

the,

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

like the, I like the hacky solutions.

Justin:

It's pretty great.

Justin:

I can totally relate to the needing to solve products like core feature

Justin:

and making that otherwise probably dedicating a weird, it was good to

Justin:

prototype with, but your, your flatbed router probably can be used differently.

Justin:

And this is a much better use of a machine.

Justin:

Well, maybe costly it It's going to produce a lot for you, especially

Justin:

now is it's automated in a certain

Justin:

sense.

Jem:

That's all right.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I like that chuck on the flatbed router was tying up the machine sort

Jem:

of four or five days a month just to

Jem:

make production parts pencil Sharpener Then now does that in

Jem:

about a day whilst, whilst in its production schedule.

Jem:

So yeah, it was a bit of a game

Jem:

changer.

Justin:

did you happen to look around at all to see if there

Justin:

was machines that could do this?

Justin:

Or was it just like, we're going to have to make a custom one?

Jem:

I did look around I as a Spanish company and I'll have to look up

Jem:

name of it but they make amazing five-axis timber turning machines.

Jem:

like a lathe with a five-axis spindle mounted above a And S incredible machines.

Jem:

I got

Jem:

it.

Jem:

I got a price of one of those.

Jem:

I think it was 350,000 Euro so that was

Jem:

out of budget.

Jem:

and I looked at, I looked at like a Haas dual spindle lathe but I

Jem:

couldn't find any references to people running timber parts on them.

Jem:

And I remember

Jem:

Jay Pierson and saying once, like you, that you should never put timber through.

Jem:

I think I had the opportunity to ask you once about running timber parts

Jem:

on a, a five-axis Haas mill And he was just so disgusted by the thought.

Jem:

but you know, that was 250, you know, quarter of a million dollars

Jem:

to get a dual axis lathe like that.

Jem:

and so it was all just such big money that doing a DIY solution using Makita trimmers

Jem:

spindles, which just was a bit of a no-brainer at that point, I was like, yep.

Jem:

Let's do this.

Justin:

So I would

Justin:

assume without digging into the numbers, it's significantly less costly to make

Justin:

your own machine with a local partner like this than it was any of those

Justin:

solutions.

Justin:

That's cool.

Jem:

Correct.

Jem:

Significantly less.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I love that thing.

Justin:

It's fun.

Justin:

It should just set up a live stream of it and just let people watch it because

Justin:

everywhere you've posted about it, I've noticed it's definitely done really well.

Justin:

I saw Tik TOK, even it had good

Justin:

numbers.

Jem:

It went nuts and tick tock.

Jem:

Yeah,

Jem:

that was funny.

Justin:

I need some googly eyes probably.

Jem:

that definitely needs googly

Jem:

eyes.

Jem:

Old machines now.

Jem:

Yes.

Jem:

What are they going on?

Justin:

I think the Kaesers getting some, it looks too much, it looks

Justin:

too much like a little minion.

Justin:

And I just was, I was always just kind of sitting there waiting,

Justin:

like, it's got to get some eyes on?

Justin:

it at some point.

Justin:

Maybe if it

Justin:

works,

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I'm sorry.

Jem:

Your fresh air is causing such trouble right now.

Justin:

what have never thought.

Justin:

I mean, honestly, I'm just kind of glad it wasn't me that did any of this because

Justin:

I could have easily done that.

Justin:

And I would feel way worse right now about it.

Jem:

Yep.

Justin:

I've got other people fixing stuff.

Justin:

I guess my other bit that's happened, mil BIN card was working great.

Justin:

That kind of like extended memory thing I was running parts.

Justin:

I ran this fixture to cut my little brass pulls so it was a second op fixture.

Justin:

as you would have.

Justin:

Pull for a, like a drawer on a cabinet and needs threaded in the

Justin:

backside of the pole so that you can actually connect to the drawer.

Justin:

So I use that to fixture so you can get the second ops.

Justin:

The whole thing is except for one face is that goes against the drawer

Justin:

is completely like a 3d shape.

Justin:

I was like, how the heck am I going to hold this thing?

Justin:

So it worked out perfectly.

Justin:

All of that.

Justin:

I kind of had figured out to some degree, the memory card just corrupted at some

Justin:

point in the middle of all of this.

Justin:

So luckily I could still transfer files like I had in the past and all

Justin:

the files fit on The controller just had to be careful about it, when

Justin:

fantastically, I would say I have a new it's a different feeling I've ever

Justin:

had before and similar, like you're describing getting to run the machines.

Justin:

Like I hadn't really run it that much for myself.

Justin:

Only one other project.

Justin:

And I was here late a couple of nights.

Justin:

last night when I got it to work, to run some production beyond testing,

Justin:

beyond single blocking, beyond, you know, stopping every tool change.

Justin:

and I just let it run.

Justin:

It was like one of the more satisfying feelings I've ever had

Justin:

of like, oh, I can breathe again.

Justin:

It's been like two days of trying to get to this point.

Justin:

man, that's a good feeling.

Jem:

Yeah, I was going to, when you said you were running the mill I was

Jem:

going to check that the running lights out already.

Jem:

That would be curl to suggest that you're at that point already,

Justin:

Oh boy, well today could be lights out.

Jem:

How you're putting the threads in those parts.

Jem:

He tapping

Justin:

hand, because I was scared of that part.

Justin:

Andy had figured out how to do that on the machine previous, I

Justin:

already had enough new things to learn, which one other fun thing is.

Justin:

I figured out how to both set up the cam and set up the offset.

Justin:

So I can have a G 54 and a G 55 on two vices, and I didn't have to

Justin:

trade them back and forth every time I wanted to run off one and two.

Justin:

So that was that felt like a huge win, but just enough.

Justin:

I mean, my other, admission is I did crash it for my first time ever.

Justin:

Not super great.

Justin:

I got really lucky in that it crashed into aluminum and it was hanging off the vice.

Justin:

So it just pulled out of the vise and ground the nut and the.

Justin:

But that felt pretty terrible.

Justin:

and I would definitely learn the lesson of not ignoring when the machine says, it's

Justin:

like a red text that said like do you want to restart in the middle of a program?

Justin:

And I was like, yeah, why Not And every other, you know, like our ShopSabre is

Justin:

always like, it it's resolves, its state for you and brings it up to Z, max, and

Justin:

this does not, and I heard other people tell me that before and ignored it.

Justin:

Cause it didn't work a couple of times I think.

Justin:

And I got it just rapid plunged into the stock and then it wasn't good,

Justin:

but luckily I think everything's fine.

Justin:

It was cutting really great.

Justin:

After that, I just had my first scare.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Did that sinking feeling when he crashed the machine?

Justin:

I mean, I've crashed the router handful of different ways.

Justin:

feels different.

Justin:

It's less dramatic and maybe it's just less costly or something, but there's

Justin:

a lot of metal involved inside a mill.

Jem:

Oh, this is way more metal.

Jem:

What am a weight on in there?

Justin:

Yeah, And it it's got like one G acceleration too.

Justin:

So like even slowed down.

Justin:

It's like, I can't react fast enough.

Jem:

Yeah, that's right.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I feel like crashing a timber router

Jem:

as much low stakes.

Jem:

on our new machine on Trinity.

Jem:

So we got two machines, two flatbeds, Cameron and Trinity.

Jem:

So I'll refer to them by their names.

Jem:

Henceforth.

Jem:

We had Trinity Trinity

Jem:

took a while to come online last year after she was commissioned,

Jem:

I got all sorts of issues.

Jem:

Finally got it.

Jem:

Online and commissioned.

Jem:

And then we bumped the tool changer with the forklift because it's got

Jem:

this big rotary tool changer that sticks out the side has a really light,

Jem:

light bump.

Jem:

and but it put the whole gantry out of square and the technicians

Jem:

could get out to us in time.

Jem:

And we had, you know, it was up and running to the point that we

Jem:

had production stuff to run on it.

Jem:

And so I've always been scared of sort of pulling machines apart.

Jem:

You know, I was happy to cut a hole in Cameron for the chuck but in terms of

Jem:

actually mechanically fiddling, but like I've got friends with similar machines

Jem:

and I, you know, I take the spindle off and they re breaching like the what's it

Jem:

called the Tran of the spindle and change bearings themselves and stuff like that.

Jem:

I've never been super confident with those sorts of changes to those machines.

Jem:

Anyway, this time I just sort of bit the bullet and I went out, took the

Jem:

covers off the gantry and basically loosened all the bolts that were holding.

Jem:

Trinity's gantry square and to give a and just loosened everything and

Jem:

then manually re squared the machine.

Jem:

So the gantry was like the sloppy, like plus the same

Jem:

thing

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

and tried to get it straight and built it back up and did a whole

Jem:

lot of test cuts and then unbolted it and do another test and just trying

Jem:

to get it as square as possible.

Jem:

that was kind of nice to get to a point where I felt comfortable doing that.

Jem:

So I know the next time we need to raise where machine it's just a matter

Jem:

of undoing, bolts and fiddling with it.

Jem:

and that's totally doable.

Justin:

That's interesting.

Justin:

one of the things that even when I was, I went to a show in Vegas to buy.

Justin:

which sounds crazy.

Justin:

Cause I don't even go to Vegas really had, that was my first time was, to

Justin:

buy a CNC router and I'm talking to all the different manufacturers and

Justin:

I was really impressed by ShopSabres A they have lifetime tech support

Justin:

for the first buyer and then B you can fix a lot of those things.

Justin:

I literally asked somebody, I I was like, so what happens if you crash it?

Justin:

I had enough experience crashing, I think in school the router that I

Justin:

had that thought and he's like, well, all you do is just unbolt gantry

Justin:

and just bring it back to home.

Justin:

basically like rights itself and I was like, no, that's way too easy.

Justin:

And we've done that a half dozen times because at some point the

Justin:

sensors and the servers it, starts to twist itself over time.

Justin:

Or if you do happen to we've bumped into weird stuff.

Justin:

I actually rammed a piece of plywood into my garage wall, but I had it at

Justin:

home through the gantry and into the

Justin:

gantry not through had to do it then too.

Justin:

And I've just been really impressed at how kind of resilient it is.

Justin:

And maybe that's part of that same thought of how different the router

Justin:

is versus the mill of like a feed it, any of that with the mill.

Justin:

I think I'd be calling somebody and it'd be very expensive, but we've

Justin:

never had anybody come fix it.

Justin:

It's always been something we've done.

Justin:

We've replaced some bearings, but I don't love doing that stuff either.

Justin:

I really it's.

Justin:

One of the reasons I really wanted the tech support was like, I don't want

Justin:

to also be tech support for a machine.

Justin:

I want to be good at this one side of it and not also a mechanic it,

Justin:

seemingly is a pretty common thing with the gantry based machine that you can

Justin:

kind of write themselves in a certain

Justin:

sense.

Jem:

that's cool.

Jem:

Does that mean the timing sensors on

Jem:

both sides of the gantry?

Jem:

And so when you loosen it off, It can re-home itself at two

Jem:

points.

Justin:

It always does.

Justin:

Every time you home, it'll home, both sides independently.

Jem:

Cool.

Justin:

I don't, I couldn't speak to like how the timing and all that

Justin:

works, but it's also ball screw.

Justin:

So it doesn't jump on like opinion or anything, which is pretty ideal.

Justin:

Anyway, it's been Britain really reliable, which is nice

Jem:

How long have you had that

Jem:

machine?

Justin:

2017.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

my one continuous fear.

Justin:

I'm sure.

Justin:

Machine shop owner of some sort has this as is our only machine for quite a while.

Justin:

So I always just like, what if the spindle dies someday?

Justin:

You're like, what if some major thing?

Justin:

And it was like all of our revenue at some point.

Justin:

I just saw there's a Facebook group for shop saber owners and people are

Justin:

saying that the spindles usually last about seven years and I was like, oh,

Justin:

we're getting way too close to that.

Justin:

No, thank you.

Jem:

is it the HSD spindle.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I crashed, I crashed Cameron really bad.

Jem:

Last year I

Jem:

plunged a 50 mil facing cutter into aluminum Like just Z crashed with the

Jem:

spindle running and it's still the

Jem:

spindle.

Jem:

And I've always heard that, like, if you stole those HSD spindles,

Jem:

it's like game over, like the

Jem:

bettering

Justin:

yeah.

Jem:

And I was like, it was a half second before I mashed the up,

Jem:

but still I did definitely still.

Jem:

a booted, like this was at like 2:00 AM.

Jem:

I was running this stupid job where the aloe minium cycle time was going forever.

Jem:

And.

Jem:

That's like, seven hours into the job.

Jem:

I just have to keep going.

Jem:

So I booted the machine back up, again, reset the spindle inverter.

Jem:

It ran, but it made an ugly noise.

Jem:

I was like oh, those bearings don't sound good.

Jem:

ran the job fine.

Jem:

The cup, those cutting fund called the technicians the next day.

Jem:

And.

Jem:

they were like oh yeah, fine happens all the time.

Jem:

Just run it until it does, could die next week.

Jem:

Could last another two years.

Jem:

Like there's no way of knowing without pulling it apart.

Jem:

So like, cool.

Jem:

All right, carry on.

Jem:

So Is, it is nice having a second flatbed machine for now, if

Jem:

you run it sort of over 15,000 RPM, you hear this high pitched

Jem:

whine, just to remind, remind me of thing, that crash.

Jem:

but it is, nice having a second flatbed machine for that reason.

Jem:

Just contingency.

Justin:

no kidding.

Jem:

If one goes down,

Jem:

that back up.

Justin:

Our second machine was technically a Shapeoko desktop router and boy, we

Justin:

would joke often about, well, at least we have two spindles now, you know,

Justin:

can swap, swap our jobs onto there.

Justin:

And so one goes down, not really reasonable, your

Justin:

riders are multicam brand?

Jem:

eh, multicam this, the

Jem:

Australian breed of multi cams.

Jem:

If any relationship there is to the American multicam machines.

Jem:

Cause I think there's a machines by the same name over there, but

Justin:

Yeah, no, there is Texas, I think.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I think they're unrelated.

Jem:

These ones are built on the A X, Y Z platform, which is a Canadian

Justin:

Oh, weird.

Justin:

It's like they bought the rights something and then,

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

They use their controllers and build the machines here basically.

Jem:

Well, the

Jem:

Trinity

Jem:

is

Jem:

a Canadian machine assembled here obviously, but it's got the

Jem:

oscillating and tangential knives.

Jem:

So it's kind of this sort of, oh, and a camera

Jem:

on it.

Jem:

It's this weird sort of multi-purpose machine

Jem:

that

Jem:

we picked up secondhand.

Justin:

That's a pretty

Jem:

very low.

Jem:

Yeah, it had really low hours.

Jem:

We picked it up from a Makerspace that was shutting down and I would have

Jem:

never bought a machine with those knives on it, but it was definitely a bonus

Jem:

and it's been awesome.

Jem:

Being able to make our own packaging and start to cut felt and foam

Jem:

and

Jem:

stuff like that.

Justin:

to be

Justin:

honest.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

When you did start talking about it and I hadn't really asked you privately,

Justin:

but I was thinking like, pan, you supposed to be making a lot of packaging

Justin:

to make that machine make sense.

Justin:

We've talked about how we wanted that kind of features, but I mean, we'd

Justin:

use it like three days a month, maybe.

Jem:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jem:

no, that was just bonus We really just wanted the second spindle primary.

Justin:

Yeah, that'd be great.

Justin:

I've talked a lot about doing like a four by four size machine router and

Justin:

having dedicated to certain setups, you know, even to the point where it's

Justin:

like, we, we really rely on vacuum, hold down on our current router.

Justin:

We've expanded into, you know, over time, different ways to fixture

Justin:

mechanically, because it's ideal.

Justin:

If you can.

Justin:

And I could see that having a four by four, that's just really

Justin:

dedicated to different, unique setups that don't need full sized sheets.

Justin:

And often that's like 3d machines prototypes for people, which we do

Justin:

quite a bit of, but there's really no reason to have this, 48 by 96 table.

Justin:

Actually it's like, 60 by a hundred and you're just

Justin:

traveling up and down it, right.

Justin:

A lot tool doing tool change and you don't really need all of it often.

Justin:

But, you know, space is always a constraint And I would also love to put

Justin:

like a fourth axis on that too someday.

Justin:

I don't know.

Justin:

That's, that's kind of one dream machine that we don't necessarily need, but it

Justin:

would be kind of nice to, be able to have that second spindle that has a totally

Justin:

different per router sends anyway.

Justin:

Totally different, capability.

Jem:

Yeah, I've thought about that too.

Jem:

but then I always get hung up on wanting like a big ATC.

Jem:

So you've kind of got this same level of machine potentially quite expensive

Jem:

with at least eight tool pockets and then just a smaller format bed.

Jem:

So it's like, oh, why not

Jem:

just get back if

Jem:

you've got space, why

Jem:

not just get enough?

Jem:

Machine, like, I, I

Jem:

would

Jem:

say your

Jem:

mill is more like in that category of like specialists work.

Jem:

I don't know.

Jem:

if you'd ever consider putting

Jem:

timber on it, but like you could get a fourth I imagine you could get a

Jem:

full effects of this on that, right?

Justin:

Yeah, no, that's honestly it, the bed is I'm I'm coming to

Justin:

it as I always say, like naive.

Justin:

it feels really small.

Justin:

I think it's 26.

Justin:

I don't know the millimeters 26 by 15.

Justin:

And the actual serviceable areas, maybe two inches inside of that.

Justin:

even yesterday trying to set up these parts and kept it in soft

Justin:

limits with like the face mail going outside the zone and be like,

Justin:

damn, I gotta move the part again.

Justin:

I can totally see you.

Justin:

We've been talking a lot about, I think it's just probably a proximity effect of

Justin:

you know see Saunders is fixture plates.

Justin:

Everybody uses them on Instagram.

Justin:

They seem like an awesome thing.

Justin:

And I just happened to start out with two, six inch vices and.

Justin:

I kind of hate them in a certain, you know, like th they work, they

Justin:

hold parts really well, but they're also just, they feel unflexible.

Justin:

and I think that's probably, blasphemy in the machining world.

Justin:

like, advice is really versatile, but I think coming from routers and seeing

Justin:

those, the universality of a fixture plate and of setting up however you want, I just

Justin:

am constantly like, if I could have run those parts yesterday that I was making

Justin:

that are nine inches long, if I would have run them the other direction on a fixture

Justin:

plate, I could have run like 10 at a time.

Justin:

But in this case I could only do one because they'd hang

Justin:

off into the other device.

Justin:

I think about that all the time.

Jem:

Can you get the mill to machine its own fixed, to play?

Jem:

Like when you get the confidence, the thread mill or rigid tap,

Jem:

kind of, you just throw a

Jem:

slab of

Jem:

something on there and

Jem:

deck it and

Jem:

tap it.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I dunno.

Justin:

Why not?

Justin:

I I know very little about.

Justin:

I think, I, I really lack the metrology skills to really validate

Justin:

those things at this point and just tools yeah, that's a great idea.

Justin:

We did, look at buying a signers machine, works palette or a, not a pallet, but a

Justin:

fixture plate, at one point they quoted us one and we just decided to hold off

Justin:

until we really figured out how we're actually going to use the machine.

Justin:

And we still may do that.

Justin:

But Yeah.

Justin:

no, that was the other discussion was can we make one, with our basically full R and

Justin:

D process for what they're selling it for?

Justin:

they have a, they have a nice price for their product and it's it all the time we

Justin:

would spend probably multiple weeks trying to figure it out and then making it.

Justin:

And it's like, I don't know.

Jem:

nah, I don't think

Jem:

it's worth it trying to DOI, but, um, on

Jem:

camera and

Jem:

on our original flatbed, we've got this funny little vacuum

Jem:

zone up the top and just kind of

Jem:

excess to the standard sheet.

Jem:

So the machine's a little bit wider than a standard shape.

Jem:

We've got sort of 300 mil, 12 inches of travel there and that's where I

Jem:

put the check, but it's also where I

Jem:

put, like I just bolted a bit of 25

Jem:

mil Allen

Jem:

minium

Jem:

down there one day.

Jem:

and I faced it and then I grilled it on the machine and then pan tapped

Jem:

a bunch of holes in it as just this

Jem:

little spot in the corner of the machine, which is flat relative to the

Jem:

machine because the machine is dicta.

Jem:

So it's not, you know, the plight itself wouldn't be parallel to itself, but

Jem:

it's kind of parallel to the surface

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

travel.

Jem:

And it's a little spot where I can bolt, you know, put bolts in there and I've

Jem:

used it on timber jobs where I just want like a repeat small fixture for

Jem:

doing like a dovetail or something in the end of a small bit of solid timber.

Jem:

And it's a great little

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

fixture zone on the machine.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

That's, I've definitely thought about using, we have that same

Justin:

excess space, which, which was great.

Justin:

It was a selling point for me to have, like, we can technically

Justin:

cut a 60 inch sheet and the standard here is like 48 wide.

Justin:

that was a pretty big selling point for me.

Justin:

Cause it's like, when it's tight, you just always feel like you need more space.

Justin:

And that always seemed like a great place to like, I've definitely thought

Justin:

about doing what you did with cutting through and putting some type of

Justin:

lathe chuck in to be able to do and milling on like longer parts or, you

Justin:

know, putting a lathe metal lays.

Justin:

But at fourth accessible.

Justin:

But going back, you asked me about the mill and fourth axis, if we ever

Justin:

stumbled upon parts products that were small enough, that could be put on

Justin:

some type of tombstone, like a Pearson for what he calls those things, pro

Justin:

something, that would be that's that's like the dream for that machine to me

Justin:

is it just has such a small table area that, effectively what quadruple your

Justin:

space by being able to turn a little indexing fourth axis kind of situation.

Justin:

It sounds like a dream.

Jem:

They're amazing light things.

Jem:

That's

Jem:

I think that's what I love most about multi-axis work.

Jem:

It's not like I'm not actually interested in like five-axis

Jem:

contouring stuff, but my attraction to

Jem:

four and five axis machines is just about that work, holding

Jem:

that position of just being able to

Jem:

go, access this face and then flip it and get to this face.

Jem:

yeah, that really excites me all those possibilities

Jem:

around

Jem:

those.

Jem:

I would love to get to a

Jem:

point where we can get a five-axis timber

Justin:

Oh, man,

Jem:

machine.

Justin:

there's a robot for sale currently in town that a friend sent me like a

Justin:

FANUC, I guess, like $1,200 right now.

Justin:

And I was just like it, ah, really want that, but I don't know what I'm going

Justin:

to do with it, but it's just like so appealing to be able to just, I know

Justin:

they take a lot of, you know, set up time and figuring out how to run them.

Justin:

So it's definitely not smart, but it's always been a, uh,

Justin:

one of those dream projects.

Jem:

very appealing.

Jem:

There's a guy here in Melbourne Twig and Bot but he's got

Jem:

a one of those big KUKA robot arms.

Jem:

And he's got a great, oh.

Justin:

all the distractions today.

Jem:

Yeah, this guy who's got

Jem:

a, one of those big, proper, I don't know, six or seven access Kuka industrial arms,

Jem:

and he's built a tool changer for it.

Jem:

So it can pick up an HSD spindle and do all this machining work,

Jem:

but then it picks up this enormous

Jem:

bandsaw

Jem:

attachment.

Jem:

And so it can like do like timber slabs.

Jem:

you gets hold of trees reclaimed, what's a code, you know, trades

Jem:

it a full and I've run the POC,

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Urban bourbon.

Jem:

S yeah, open salvage or whatever, and puts it on this big sliding bed.

Jem:

And then this huge KUKA robot picks up the bands are on like decks it down.

Jem:

It does amazing work.

Jem:

It's really cool.

Jem:

I'll put the link in the.

Justin:

there's a great company here.

Justin:

Kind of a friend David has called Loupe and they do automation

Justin:

solutions for manufacturers.

Justin:

And I think they do a lot of other stuff in that, but they, they have a

Justin:

big, I think KUKA is one of theirs.

Justin:

They also have ABB robots.

Justin:

They just have to have one in their office and they just do random stuff with

Justin:

it, you know, partially for marketing.

Justin:

And they did take that.

Justin:

Somebody asked him if you could put a chainsaw on one.

Justin:

And so they made a video putting a chain saw on end and just like

Justin:

chopping logs with it in their office.

Justin:

There's a pretty good video of that too.

Justin:

I can put in.

Jem:

Awesome.

Jem:

Yeah, I

Jem:

think

Jem:

there's one of those in my dream workshop for show.

Justin:

Yeah, right.

Justin:

they take up so much space safe zones And all that, though.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Or even just a Cobot like a UR 10 or

Jem:

something that I could

Jem:

wheel around the workshop and attach a welding torch to it,

Jem:

or a sander to it, the next day.

Jem:

And just

Jem:

have all

Jem:

these little programs dial.

Justin:

I just wanted as a little friend, just bring it around the shop with Yana.

Jem:

Nice.

Jem:

How are you going?

Jem:

Do you want to

Jem:

wrap, wrap

Jem:

up?

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

I think so It makes sense.

Justin:

You got enough things seems like my shop side is just kind of

Justin:

slowly devolving into chaos, so probably should head back out there.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Go and deal with that.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

What are you up to the rest of the day

Jem:

back on the machines this morning,

Jem:

just ignoring the courts.

Jem:

And I will try to

Jem:

enjoy.

Jem:

And let it be a stressful experience today, so we'll see how we go.

Justin:

That's, I'm glad you do the same thing.

Justin:

Cause at some point I just can't handle making in the shop and the

Justin:

computer stuff and I ended up doing the same thing where I'm like, well,

Justin:

quotes will happen this week sometime.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

about the same.

Justin:

I need to ship these brass parts get those in the box?

Justin:

I'll I'll definitely post some photos.

Justin:

They turned out super cool.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

we made them.

Justin:

Cause they're, I mean, they're a great design.

Justin:

I I'll put a link to the guy's Instagram, if he wants to share them and they're

Justin:

just really cool brass handles for

Justin:

Hey, Hey so unfortunately those fuses hold on back orders.

Justin:

So I can't get one and I go to our shops if we have one, if we don't,

Justin:

we're going to order it so we can get it first thing in the morning, Great.

Justin:

Okay.

Justin:

Thanks.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Well, I'm Glad there's potentially a solution to that, but

Jem:

I think he just got the audio for the end of the show,

Jem:

all the start potentially there.

Jem:

That was pretty good.

Justin:

so great.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

first.

Justin:

I was going to say like indefinitely, you know, everything else.

Justin:

Six months later, you might have power back because of a fuse.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Good luck man.

Jem:

I have that gets resolved quickly.

Justin:

Yeah, for sure.

Justin:

All right.

Justin:

I'll catch you next week.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

Thanks Justin.

Jem:

So

Justin:

See,

Jem:

might

Justin:

I can't see you anymore.

Justin:

Like stop working mid show and I don't know what is going on.

Justin:

I legit, like the last few days have just been pretty ridiculous.

Justin:

I didn't even get into like a pen exploded in my pocket yesterday.

Justin:

I dumped cooling on my foot, oh, fusion on my middle computer room the manufacturing

Justin:

workspace disappeared, like in the middle of trying to set up these parts.

Justin:

And I was just like, I don't think I'm supposed to do this anymore.

Justin:

Like, I don't know what's happening, but it's kind of continuing at this point.

Justin:

So.

Justin:

Hello, Justin here.

Justin:

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Justin:

30 seconds to rate and review us?

Justin:

I mean, don't rate it.

Justin:

If you're going to view less than a five star rating, that's just rude.

Justin:

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