Chris and Jesse are joined by Arielle Davis and Kolby Webster, the two co-hosts of Focus Black Oklahoma. We talked to Ariel and Colby about how Focus Black Oklahoma had to pivot in the age of COVID, the intersection of Urban Design, City Budgets and Systemic Racism. The Systemic Racism conversation goes in many different directions and might be both hilarious to some and offensive to others. Be warned.

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