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From Diagnosis to Empowerment: Creating Community and Connection for Women with ADHD
Episode 1905th December 2024 • The ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast • Kate Moryoussef
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I get asked all the time if we're ever too old for an ADHD diagnosis. I always reply the same: of course not. No one is ever too old to finally lean into their most authentic version of themselves. I discuss this with Terry Matlen, an internationally recognised expert on ADHD in women with over 25 years of experience as a psychotherapist, author, and coach.

Terry’s expertise and personal insights offer practical advice and hope for women navigating ADHD, no matter their stage of life. This conversation reminds us that it’s never too late to reclaim our narrative and lead a fulfilling life.

Author of The Queen of Distraction and Survival Tips for Women with ADHD, Terry runs ADDconsults.com, a global resource supporting women with ADHD and empowers women with ADHD to navigate life’s challenges and thrive.

Terry has kindly shared a bonus resource exclusive to all podcast listeners. Click here to access it: https://addconsults.com/bonus-for-km-podcast/

Together, we explore the unique experiences of women with ADHD and how societal changes have shaped the journey to diagnosis and treatment.

On this episode of The ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast, we discuss:

  • How ADHD in women has been historically misunderstood and overlooked
  • The critical role of community support and online forums for women with ADHD
  • How hormone fluctuations during life stages like motherhood and menopause impact ADHD symptoms
  • Practical coping strategies for managing the emotional toll of ADHD
  • Women with ADHD often face societal stigma and self-doubt, impacting their self-esteem and well-being.
  • The ADHD community has evolved significantly over the past 25 years, largely due to increased awareness.
  • Hormonal changes during menopause can exacerbate ADHD symptoms, necessitating tailored treatment approaches.
  • Coaching and community support are essential for women navigating the challenges of ADHD.
  • Late diagnosis can provide a new perspective, allowing women to reclaim their potential and happiness.
  • Self-care strategies are crucial for women with ADHD, especially when managing co-existing conditions.

Takeaways:

  • ADHD in women has often gone undiagnosed, leading to feelings of isolation.
  • Social media and community spaces provide vital support for women with ADHD.
  • Hormone changes can exacerbate ADHD symptoms, highlighting the need for tailored strategies.
  • Knowledge and connection are key to managing ADHD and thriving.

Timestamps:

  • 09:51 - Understanding ADHD: A historical perspective
  • 16:58 - Celebrating women with ADHD
  • 20:00 - Understanding the impact of ADHD on women's lives
  • 31:42 - Introduction to the Queen of Distraction
  • 34:12 - Understanding ADHD: A New Perspective

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Kate Moryoussef is a women's ADHD lifestyle and wellbeing coach and EFT practitioner who helps overwhelmed and unfulfilled newly diagnosed ADHD women find more calm, balance, hope, health, compassion, creativity and clarity. 

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Kate Moore Youssef:

Welcome to the ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I'm Kate Moore Youssef and I'm a wellbeing and lifestyle coach, EFT practitioner, mum to four kids and passionate about helping more women to understand and accept their amazing ADHD brains.

Kate Moore Youssef:

After speaking to many women just like me and probably you, I know there is a need for more health and lifestyle support for women newly diagnosed with adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

In these conversations, you'll learn from insightful guests, hear new findings, and discover powerful perspectives and lifestyle tools to enable you to live your most fulfilled, calm and purposeful life wherever you are on your ADHD journey.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Here's today's episode.

Kate Moore Youssef:

So hi everyone.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Welcome back to yet another episode of the ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I'm Kate Moore Youssef.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I'm your host here, as always, and I am absolutely delighted to welcome a true ADHD stalwart.

Kate Moore Youssef:

She has been around in this industry understanding ADHD for 25 years and her name is Terry Matlin.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And Terry is an internationally recognized expert on ADHD in women and is a psychotherapist, author, consultant and coach.

Kate Moore Youssef:

She is also the author of the award winning book the Queen of Distraction and Survival Tips for Women with ADHD and runs the addconsults.com an international online resource serving women with ADHD and offering one to one consults and much more.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And her latest project is a one of a kind online community called Powerful Women with ADHD where women can connect worldwide, gain skills and get things done.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I absolutely love this, Terry.

Kate Moore Youssef:

It's an absolute honor to have you on the podcast.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Thank you for being here.

Terry Matlin:

Oh, thank you.

Terry Matlin:

So nice to meet you, Kate.

Terry Matlin:

Thanks for having me.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Yeah, likewise.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And you know, to know that I'm speaking To someone with 25 years of experience of understanding ADHD women for so long and I know that you must kind of be looking and watching the way it's become so topical over the past few years and just thinking, I've known this for decades and just thinking, like, why is everyone just catching up?

Kate Moore Youssef:

You know, you've probably just been so ahead of this curve and I wonder, I'm so interested to know about 25 years ago, when you began this journey and understanding it, you know, in yourself, in others, what were you noticing at the very beginning of women, you know, presenting with adhd?

Terry Matlin:

That's a really good question.

Terry Matlin:

And I think back then we didn't have what we have now in social media, we didn't have magazines, we didn't have all these organizations.

Terry Matlin:

So Women were feeling very, very isolated and were hungry as I was when I first learned of my diagnosis, back when I was in my early 40s.

Terry Matlin:

We were so hungry for information and there was not much out there.

Terry Matlin:

There were only a couple of books, actually maybe one or two when I started out.

Terry Matlin:

And that would be Sarah Soldin's book, which is my bible and many women's Bible, and Kate Kelly, who the late Kate Kelly and then Peggy Ramunda was her co writer.

Terry Matlin:

There was just so little information.

Terry Matlin:

And I started going to these large conferences, so.

Terry Matlin:

And thousands of people, Kate, were at these early conferences in the, you know, 90s, and it was just amazing to finally be around people who were like ourselves, who were losing our keys to the hotel room, who were getting lost in the hallway, who, you know, the.

Terry Matlin:

Our purses were just open and pouring out.

Terry Matlin:

It was just great.

Terry Matlin:

So back then it was all brand, brand new.

Terry Matlin:

And I know that from my own diagnosis and treatment early on.

Terry Matlin:

How great my life changed.

Terry Matlin:

So I was one of those that soared with it.

Terry Matlin:

Many, many women will talk about depression once they get the diagnosis.

Terry Matlin:

And grieving over the last years of their lives not knowing what is wrong with me, what is wrong with me.

Terry Matlin:

In my case, maybe because of my background as a therapist.

Terry Matlin:

I took that information and I thought, if this is helping me think of all the people that it could help.

Terry Matlin:

And that's what really drove me to want to jump in with both feet and help women with adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And my goodness, seeing what you've achieved and what you continue to achieve just shows, isn't it, that you have used it to your advantage.

Kate Moore Youssef:

You don't have to disclose your age, but I'm interested.

Kate Moore Youssef:

When you were diagnosed, you said in your 40s, what led to that diagnosis and who was talking about it to allow you to start having, you know, thinking, have I got adhd?

Kate Moore Youssef:

But I'm a woman, like, can I even have adhd?

Kate Moore Youssef:

I'm just interested to know what went on around your diagnosis.

Terry Matlin:

Well, like many women and men, it started off with my daughter.

Terry Matlin:

So my daughter, who wasn't, probably wasn't born with adhd.

Terry Matlin:

So her story is pretty different than most in that she became very ill after a vaccine, baby vaccine.

Terry Matlin:

And it's a long and very sad story.

Terry Matlin:

She made it through.

Terry Matlin:

She didn't come all the way back to where she was.

Terry Matlin:

And part of the residual of this vaccine injury or this brain injury was severe.

Terry Matlin:

And I've seen a lot of people with ADHD who present with a lot of hyperactivity and Impulsivity.

Terry Matlin:

And in her case.

Terry Matlin:

So I didn't know anything about adhd.

Terry Matlin:

In my training, my clinical training, maybe one sentence was mentioned about adhd, and in those days, which was a long time ago, was called minimum minimal brain disorder or something like that.

Terry Matlin:

So anyhow, in trying to help my daughter, again, reaching out for help, there were so few books in those days, but I connected with her therapist, her doctors and tried to learn.

Terry Matlin:

And as I was reading a few books, we had computers back then, but not a lot of information.

Terry Matlin:

So as I was reading about how to help my daughter, I thought it was just a fluke.

Terry Matlin:

I just happened to hear about this one book back then that was written A Clinical Perspective of ADHD in Adults.

Terry Matlin:

It was just a fluke.

Terry Matlin:

I bought it and read it and I was stunned because I recognized family members.

Terry Matlin:

That's how it started.

Terry Matlin:

I recognized family.

Terry Matlin:

Oh, now that explains so and so.

Terry Matlin:

Now that explains so and so.

Terry Matlin:

And as I continued to read, I had a real aha moment where it sounds like me.

Terry Matlin:

Yeah.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I mean, it's so relatable, isn't it?

Terry Matlin:

Yeah.

Terry Matlin:

And so my, my issues were similar to probably many women who have.

Terry Matlin:

I have the inattentive subtype.

Terry Matlin:

So I'm not hyperactive.

Terry Matlin:

I'm not really impulsive.

Terry Matlin:

I am in certain areas a little bit.

Terry Matlin:

But, you know, my problems were typical for a lot of women that I work with and that you.

Terry Matlin:

You work with.

Terry Matlin:

And that is, how do I keep it together?

Terry Matlin:

What really made it difficult for me is when the children, I have two children now, are adults, young adults.

Terry Matlin:

When the kids came, it was no longer just taking care of me, taking care of my husband.

Terry Matlin:

It was, as a lot of you out there know, now you have little ones, then they grow up to be school age.

Terry Matlin:

How do you manage all of that?

Terry Matlin:

Nowadays, most women are working moms.

Terry Matlin:

I was lucky in that I could stay home with my kids.

Terry Matlin:

But even so, and in some ways it's harder to be.

Terry Matlin:

And that's a really important point for your viewers, your listeners, is that many women who are at home, I think that that's harder for them than being at work, because at work, there's the structure.

Terry Matlin:

You have to be somewhere at a certain time.

Terry Matlin:

You have a project you have to finish, you know what's expected of you and you get feedback.

Terry Matlin:

So there's structure within that environment.

Terry Matlin:

When you're home, what are you going to do?

Terry Matlin:

You're going to organize your spice cabinet and that makes you feel better?

Terry Matlin:

No.

Terry Matlin:

You're bombarded with taking care of children and communicating with the school.

Terry Matlin:

And if you're not diagnosed and treated for your adhd, and even if you are, it becomes so overwhelming.

Terry Matlin:

And my heart goes out to young moms because I went through it.

Terry Matlin:

I get it.

Terry Matlin:

I really get it.

Terry Matlin:

I don't know how I got through it.

Terry Matlin:

Especially if you have a kid or two or more with adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I mean, I know that there's a lot of people found that everything unraveled during the pandemic because we were at home homeschooling.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I know that's exact what happened with me.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I had four kids at home homeschooling them, one of them being my daughter who I got diagnosed during the pandemic, which, you know, sparked me getting diagnosed.

Kate Moore Youssef:

But this lack of structure and just like a free for all and just not being able to have any routine and not quite know what's going to come and all of that, there's so much unknown.

Kate Moore Youssef:

That is for when I definitely noticed my ADHD just get go completely out of control.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I know a lot of other people as well.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that's why there was this huge kind of surge in assessments.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I mean, what's interesting, you discuss all of this.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And back then, like, technology wasn't the way it was right now.

Kate Moore Youssef:

We went, you didn't have the podcast, we didn't have social media, we didn't have TikTok.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Like everything that is created this boom of awareness, which is fantastic, wasn't there.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And you were clearly, you know, you couldn't just go on Amazon and find a book.

Kate Moore Youssef:

If you wanted to get a book, maybe you'd have to go to the library, we'd have to go to the local bookshop.

Kate Moore Youssef:

It was so difficult, this barrier to understanding yourself.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And my heart goes out to so many women who back then didn't have the answers and who were just so desperate to know what was wrong with them and were just not not getting any answers.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I'm interested to know a little bit about the community that you served back then, 20, 25 years ago of could they believe that they could have ADHD and must have felt very difficult to get the understanding, but then be so limited with the information that was out there.

Terry Matlin:

I think that's a good point.

Terry Matlin:

What a lot of my work back then, and it still happens now, but more so back then was what I heard was, oh, no, I don't have adhd, I'm just lazy, or I have a personality disorder, or it's a character flaw, there's something wrong with me, I don't know what it is.

Terry Matlin:

Oh, no.

Terry Matlin:

Only kids have ADHD.

Terry Matlin:

We had a long way to go back 25, 30 years ago when I started, because that was what people believed.

Terry Matlin:

There's something wrong with me and I'm unlikable and I can't get things done.

Terry Matlin:

I'm stupid.

Terry Matlin:

I heard that a lot.

Terry Matlin:

I'm just stupid.

Terry Matlin:

If you walk around with that kind of self image, people are going to pick up on it and treat you that way.

Terry Matlin:

So a lot of the work was working on self esteem, working on acceptance, working on finding help, which is very difficult even today in many areas of the world.

Terry Matlin:

Yeah, where do I go for help?

Terry Matlin:

That's one of the number one questions I get from people.

Terry Matlin:

Where can I go?

Terry Matlin:

Where can I go?

Terry Matlin:

I live in a rural area.

Terry Matlin:

I live in a country where we don't.

Terry Matlin:

People don't even believe in adhd.

Terry Matlin:

In adults, we still see that.

Terry Matlin:

We still see that.

Terry Matlin:

So my job was a lot of educational kinds of things and supporting people with their self esteem and breaking out of that, a lot of work with couples and in helping the partner understand that this is what's going on.

Terry Matlin:

This is neurobiological condition.

Terry Matlin:

This is not a character flaw.

Terry Matlin:

I know that we still have that issue now, but I believe way more so back in those days when we didn't have what you just described, all of these resources at our fingertips.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Yeah, it's so sad, isn't it?

Kate Moore Youssef:

When you hear that, you hear that relayed back of all the negative self talk and the narrative that so many of us have lived with for so, so long.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And then if you're only just understanding this in your 50s, 60s, 70s, that's a lot of unpacking and relearning and rewiring your brain to think differently and to treat yourself differently, you must get this question asked a lot of like, do you think it's too late?

Kate Moore Youssef:

I personally never think it's too late.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I've had amazing women in my programs who are in their 70s who bring the most incredible wisdom, who share what they've done in their life.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And yes, it's been very challenging, very difficult, but also the glimmers and all the goodness that ADHD has brought, you know, they're still so full of youthfulness and fun and a belief that they can live a better life.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I just wonder what, I guess what you're noticing in your community right now as well, are you noticing that people are a bit more hopeful?

Terry Matlin:

Yeah, I think there is less of a stigma I think it's still there, but I think the other big piece to this is a lot of these women who are late diagnosed have a longer period of time of being on this earth where they have heard negative things about themselves and have internalized those messages all these years, and look what happened.

Terry Matlin:

So you asked earlier, you know, is it worth it to get diagnosed and treated?

Terry Matlin:

Absolutely.

Terry Matlin:

Absolutely.

Terry Matlin:

It's never too late to be happy.

Terry Matlin:

I think that's an important message.

Terry Matlin:

It's never too late.

Terry Matlin:

So, you know, there's that baggage that.

Terry Matlin:

And our colleagues and just peers need to work with each other.

Terry Matlin:

I don't want to come off as thought therapist peers.

Terry Matlin:

When you go to the Facebook groups, when you're, you know, going to these different programs with other people as a group, we need to encourage our peers, our friends, you know, our new friends, that life doesn't end at 35 or 40 or 45.

Terry Matlin:

There's a whole lot of years after that, and we can still follow our dreams.

Terry Matlin:

Maybe before we were identified and treated for our adhd, it would have been way too difficult to go to college or to finish a book.

Terry Matlin:

I can't tell you how many men and women have said to me, I couldn't read a book until I started medication.

Terry Matlin:

And then their lives broaden.

Terry Matlin:

I remember a client that I worked with, a younger man who wanted to go to graduate school and become a social worker.

Terry Matlin:

Like, that's what I've done.

Terry Matlin:

And he says, I can't do it.

Terry Matlin:

How can I?

Terry Matlin:

How can I get through college if I can't focus on the textbook or the professor?

Terry Matlin:

He got evaluated.

Terry Matlin:

I encouraged him to keep going, keep going, keep going.

Terry Matlin:

He got on medication, and his entire life changed.

Terry Matlin:

He got through grad school, he became a psychotherapist, got married, had children.

Terry Matlin:

His life turned around.

Terry Matlin:

The same thing can happen for a woman of any age or a male, you know, a man who's watching.

Terry Matlin:

It's for both men and women, late diagnosis, late treatment is phenomenal.

Terry Matlin:

The only thing that we have to be careful with is the cardiovascular possibility that if as we age, you know, we get more often get more and more medical issues to deal with.

Terry Matlin:

And for many.

Terry Matlin:

I'm just going to go with women right now.

Terry Matlin:

Many women who are having some cardiovascular issues and are on medication need to be careful.

Terry Matlin:

But from what I'm reading, we're learning that many women can still be on stimulant medication even if they have a heart condition and are on medications.

Terry Matlin:

Don't take my word for it.

Terry Matlin:

You need to talk to your physician, don't go by me.

Terry Matlin:

I'm just saying what I'm hearing and.

Kate Moore Youssef:

What I'm seeing, I've heard the same as well.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I had a conversation with Dr.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Ned Halliwell a few months ago and he said that he was treating someone in I think his late 80s and he put them on stimulant medication.

Kate Moore Youssef:

So it just shows.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And listen, I'm not, I'm saying that medication is incredible if it works for you.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I know that medication sometimes doesn't work or it's not a long term solution or some people just need the medication for a certain period of their life or to get them through college exams, you know, big work commitments.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I like to kind of talk about medication in that you can try it and if it works for certain things and great.

Kate Moore Youssef:

But if not, there's so many other ways as well to manage your adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that is, you know, first of all, through the awareness, through understanding, through the psycho education, like you say, the Facebook group, you know, if you find your community, you find your tribe and you're able to ask questions and finally, like drop the mask, be more authentic, find out from other women what, know what's worked for them.

Kate Moore Youssef:

That's what I love about ADHD is that there's so much curiosity.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And these are the women, they're so resourceful and so incredible.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And what I love about what you're doing, and we're going to talk about it, is what you're, this new community that you've created.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Was it something wonderful?

Kate Moore Youssef:

Women with adhd, you.

Terry Matlin:

Because I feel that, you know, as we've been talking about as we get older and you don't, you don't even have to be older.

Terry Matlin:

Any woman who's grown up as an adult and has heard negative messages in school, negative messages from their parents, negative messages from their peers.

Terry Matlin:

Well, I wanted to develop something that celebrated women with ADHD and focus on the power we have within, the ability we have to grow and to change.

Terry Matlin:

It's there.

Terry Matlin:

I've lived it.

Terry Matlin:

I've worked with so many women.

Terry Matlin:

I love people with ADHD because of the things that you described.

Terry Matlin:

We are problem solvers.

Terry Matlin:

We had to be because, you know, things were difficult.

Terry Matlin:

We had to come up with our own strategies.

Terry Matlin:

The women that I work with are incredibly creative.

Terry Matlin:

There's been just few studies that show creativity, the correlation, and we need a lot more work on that because it seems like every woman I've ever known with ADHD is I can almost be in a room and Feel it now or just, you know, notice someone I'm talking to.

Terry Matlin:

I bet.

Terry Matlin:

I bet there's something about.

Terry Matlin:

There's a spark in them if they're not clobbered by depression or substance abuse because they haven't been adequately treated, which kills me, which is what keeps me in this field for so long, is I see how powerful the proper treatment can be.

Terry Matlin:

But, yeah, I think that this is why I stay, because of the qualities.

Terry Matlin:

And this program that I'm developing is all online and it's affordable because I strongly believe a lot of women still to this day are underemployed, even if they don't have adhd, you know, but add to it.

Terry Matlin:

I try to make it affordable to most people.

Terry Matlin:

And it's another community where people, especially women who are away from a lot of women who do have adhd, and I'm just.

Terry Matlin:

I'm lucky.

Terry Matlin:

I mean, that's my life, is being around women with adhd.

Terry Matlin:

But not everyone has that opportunity that I have.

Terry Matlin:

So this is a way to connect.

Terry Matlin:

But the thing that's different about my program is that women will be learning skills, so they'll be going into zoom rooms, and I'll have different categories, body doubling, getting things done, what to do with all the millions of photographs sitting in your boxes, in their closet gathering dust, what to make for dinner.

Terry Matlin:

And then I'll have communities, you know, many communities by age group.

Terry Matlin:

So 18 to.

Terry Matlin:

I can't remember now, 18 to 25, you know, 30 to 40, whatever, up until whatever.

Terry Matlin:

So I wanted to make something available for everybody's needs as best that I could.

Terry Matlin:

Talking about newly diagnosed women.

Terry Matlin:

These are things that over the years kept coming back to me, like, what do I do?

Terry Matlin:

What's wrong with me?

Terry Matlin:

How can I get help?

Terry Matlin:

Where do I get help?

Terry Matlin:

So I wanted to kind of combine it.

Terry Matlin:

And I'm going to have guest speakers, too, because one of the things that have been really helpful to me as a professional and being so involved in these conferences, national conferences that I usually present at and was very involved with and still am, is I met some wonderful people like you.

Terry Matlin:

You know, I hope that you'll be one of my guests and run a group one day, you know, and I have access to all of these wonderful people.

Terry Matlin:

So I'm really, really going on and on.

Terry Matlin:

I'm really excited.

Terry Matlin:

We should be launching shortly, I hope.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Sounds like an absolute gift, and I love that you've considered all these different parts of it.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And, you know, when you talk about the women, they've got sparks and creativity.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And then you said about the other.

Kate Moore Youssef:

On the flip side, they've not been blighted with depression and substance abuse.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And fortunately that has been a big part of my family story, you know, family members that has happened.

Kate Moore Youssef:

ADHD is all over my family and it's.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Some are undiagnosed, unaware, some people are, it was just they're so far down the line and all, all different things.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And thankfully there's a lot of awareness as well in my family.

Kate Moore Youssef:

But it makes me incredibly sad that women have got to that point where they've not fulfilled their potential.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Like you say, they are working, they're underpaid, they've not believed in themselves enough to sort of open their expansiveness and put themselves forward, all these different things.

Kate Moore Youssef:

But for me, it's 100% when I see that women have been blighted by mental health challenges and crises and the substance abuse has been a big part because they've not had any other way of quietening their mind and their bodies and their nervous systems and not understanding what's been going on.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that's why these conversations are so important, because we can talk all about the amazing part of ADHD and you know, but we never, ever, ever diminish.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Unfortunately, I think the challenges do outweigh the goodness of adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

But what I would love to see, now that there's so much awareness, I would love to see a balance and I would love women, especially for them to say, yes, I am more prone to anxiety, depression, overthinking, hyper vigilance, all these different things, but see it as, as an awareness and have lots of tools and strategies so they can say I've not got to that point anymore because I know I've got to prioritize myself, I have to prioritize my well being and I've got to think how I can sleep better, move my body, stress relief, all these different things that just so many of us just haven't considered at all.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And we get to a point, you know, we talk about cardiovascular issues, talk about a lot of other health issues and so much of it has been connected to undiagnosed ADHD and not prioritizing or not even understanding how important it is that we need to be looking after ourselves.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I wonder, like what, what you, what you've seen as well in your community.

Terry Matlin:

I agree with everything you say.

Terry Matlin:

And one of the biggest challenges that I've been facing throughout my career, even now, is educating the medical community, this mental health community of professionals that women especially are still being Misdiagnosed.

Terry Matlin:

And this is my message.

Terry Matlin:

I hope there's clinicians listening.

Terry Matlin:

Women are still being, as you know very well, Kate, misdiagnosed, mainly with depression.

Terry Matlin:

That's the number one thing I hear, substance abuse, you know, go into substance abuse treatment.

Terry Matlin:

So, so my challenge is educating the professionals because so many of us are still being misdiagnosed or we're.

Terry Matlin:

They're catching parts of it, but not the whole story.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Yeah.

Terry Matlin:

As you know.

Terry Matlin:

And then getting back a little bit to what you were saying about self care.

Terry Matlin:

Now if someone is not diagnosed, treated for their ADHD and they fall into a depression or they have a comorbidity, which is a co.

Terry Matlin:

You know, existing condition of depression and anxiety, and if that depression is still leveling somebody down, how are they going to have the interest, the energy, the willingness, the ability to go to the gym, to take a walk every day, to, you know, dance, whatever it is, to make themselves healthy, to eat healthy foods?

Terry Matlin:

This is a real dilemma which ties into the professionals.

Terry Matlin:

Again, if the professionals are missing it, they're treating the depression, but they're not feeling any better because the ADHD is not being addressed.

Terry Matlin:

So you can still be depressed because of your adhd.

Terry Matlin:

You know, you're not getting things done.

Terry Matlin:

Your life is a mess.

Terry Matlin:

So these women can't self, you know, get involved with any kind of self care activities if they're too depressed to do it.

Terry Matlin:

Yeah, it goes around and around.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I'm presuming that your program is open for women who may have not got an official diagnosis, but strongly suspect that ADHD has been there with them their whole life.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Because I personally think that no one actively wants adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

So if you strongly suspect and you read about it, you go, my God, that's my life.

Kate Moore Youssef:

A lot of people do want that validation and I do think a diagnosis is very helpful for lots of things, including medication.

Kate Moore Youssef:

But if a diagnosis is a not possible financially or you're on a waiting list and, and I personally, you, the minute you have that realization, start helping yourself, start listening to the podcasts, reading the books.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Can they join your program if it's just sort of self identified?

Terry Matlin:

Oh, of course, of course.

Terry Matlin:

Anyone who thinks that they may have it come.

Terry Matlin:

As a matter of fact, you've given me a great idea and that could be a zoom room just for women like what you're describing.

Terry Matlin:

Do I have a.

Terry Matlin:

What should I do?

Terry Matlin:

This is what I'm challenged with.

Terry Matlin:

And I'll be popping in and out.

Terry Matlin:

And as a clinician, you know, I can Help guide that person to, well, what's your next step?

Terry Matlin:

What, what can we do to help you figure out what's going on with you?

Terry Matlin:

So, yeah, absolutely.

Terry Matlin:

And my free Facebook group for women with adhd, that's open to women too, who say, because I do screening there, I have a whole bunch of volunteers, I can't do it myself.

Terry Matlin:

And one of the screening questions is, do you have or think you have adhd?

Terry Matlin:

Then you're welcome, of course.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Yeah.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I wanted to ask you about.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Well, first of all, we know hormones now are completely interconnected with adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

So much of it, you know, especially for women when they are noticing whether ADHD particularly showed up in a very challenging way.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And we know, you know, the peaks of puberty, you know, pregnancy, post pregnancy, perimenopause, menopause.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I'm interested to know what happens post menopause with adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

What are you noticing in women who have kind of navigated these very turbulent times and have kind of come out through menopause?

Kate Moore Youssef:

How is their ADHD presenting?

Terry Matlin:

Well, a lot of this has to do with education.

Terry Matlin:

Again, that now there is, I don't remember now if there's no, I believe there's a tiny bit of estrogen still going on in our systems as postmenopausal women.

Terry Matlin:

And when you have low levels of estrogen, no matter what where you are in your hormonal life, if it's low, it often, not always, but it often causes an increase in ADHD symptomology.

Terry Matlin:

So some women, no matter what their age, can help that problem.

Terry Matlin:

Which means, you know, I'm still scattered, I'm still this, I'm having a tough time.

Terry Matlin:

Some of them, as Dr.

Terry Matlin:

Patricia Quinn talked about many years ago.

Terry Matlin:

She's now retired, but she, her work was monumental.

Terry Matlin:

Where you can improve your ADHD symptomology through hormone replacement therapy again and again, I am not a medical person.

Terry Matlin:

Go to your doctor.

Terry Matlin:

Now, here we go again with some problems.

Terry Matlin:

Most doctors have no clue about ADHD symptomology and hormones, the connection.

Terry Matlin:

So it often means educating the doctor.

Terry Matlin:

I don't know of any woman that's ever said to me, maybe a couple who have said to me, I talked it over with my doctor, they knew all about it.

Terry Matlin:

I'm on hormone replacement.

Terry Matlin:

So there's one, there's educating the physician or the medical person, and two, your health.

Terry Matlin:

Some people cannot take hormone replacement therapy.

Terry Matlin:

I have to really throw that out there.

Terry Matlin:

That's where you really have to have a good medical person on your team who can help you with yes or no.

Terry Matlin:

If that's not an option and you're really struggling with your ADHD symptoms, then we have to go into things like, you know, ADHD medications.

Terry Matlin:

We have to tweak that, we have to add something to it.

Terry Matlin:

Coaching, I would say coaching would be way up there in how that will help women with ADHD who are still struggling.

Terry Matlin:

Because especially, you know, for the hormones, are creating problems with your adhd.

Terry Matlin:

Because our coaches, like you, our coaches are our executive functioning, our external executive functioning, meaning you help women and men, kids, teenagers with how to start, how to maintain what you're trying to do, how to accomplish what you need to do, all the planning that goes with it, all the things that go with getting from A to B and from B to C.

Terry Matlin:

That's how I simplify it.

Terry Matlin:

And we reach out to our coaches who can help us step by step with what to do and how to do it.

Terry Matlin:

So if you're at that situation in your life where you're really struggling, even with younger women too, of course, and it's all ages, but specifying the older woman who's just really in a funk, depression may come in a little bit more is to work with an AD coach.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Yeah, I totally agree.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I don't think you can underestimate the power of working with someone who is in your corner, who wants to see you succeed.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that is, you know, that is a coach.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Your coach should be your cheerleader.

Kate Moore Youssef:

It should be that person where that is helping you, suggesting, guiding you, giving you the confidence to trust in yourself and believe that you do have the resources within you and giving you that nudge forward.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Because so many of us have had the opposite.

Kate Moore Youssef:

We've had the criticisms, we've had the insults, we've had the snarky comments.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And it's just kind of brought our RSD to the forefront where we've just kind of got like a bit of a wall.

Kate Moore Youssef:

So we're too terrified to try anything.

Kate Moore Youssef:

We know we've got all this potential, but actually we've been told all our lives that we're not good enough or there's no way we could do that because we're not organized enough or we don't have the capability and all that.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And then we believe it.

Kate Moore Youssef:

So having coaching, you know, for me was 100%, like revolutionary.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that's why I love, love, love working with like one to one clients because you see, you see that progress and you see them sort of stepping into a bit of empowerment and stepping into that like that self belief.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I do, I agree with you.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I think coaching even in.

Kate Moore Youssef:

For older people as well, can be really, really empowering, especially when maybe their generation hasn't really sort of had that introduction to therapy or the sort of self development world.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And it's just a lovely way for them to start kind of believing that actually there are things I can still accomplish, there are things I can still achieve, or I can meet new people, or I can go out of my comfort zone a little bit and I can live a good life with adhd.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that's all people want to do.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I mean, I've realized that now that everyone that comes to me, you know, whether they've got big aspirations, career aspirations, or they want to have a good relationship or anything, it's.

Kate Moore Youssef:

It's essentially just living peacefully with the knowledge of their ADHD and with the awareness and the understanding and working with their brains as opposed to sort of constantly being banging their heads against walls.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And you've.

Kate Moore Youssef:

It's so inspiring to hear how pivotal you've been in this growth.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And yeah, it's an honor to speak to you.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I know that so many people will be interested in what you do and perhaps the newer generation of people who are just coming here with ADHD and kind of go, I need to check out Terry's work.

Kate Moore Youssef:

I need to read the book.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Tell me about the award winning book, Queen of Distract.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Is it Queen of Distraction?

Terry Matlin:

Yeah, the Queen of Distraction my husband coined.

Terry Matlin:

He coined that.

Terry Matlin:

That's my nickname around here, the Queen of Distraction.

Kate Moore Youssef:

So when was that written?

Terry Matlin:

I believe so.

Terry Matlin:

It's.

Terry Matlin:

It's older now.

Terry Matlin:

I think it was:

Kate Moore Youssef:

Okay.

Terry Matlin:

But what, what I did with the book was each chapter has a different issue, so it might be relationships.

Terry Matlin:

I have a whole thing about hypersensitivities that we talked about earlier off camera.

Terry Matlin:

I'm very interested in that.

Terry Matlin:

I talk about hormones, I talk about moms with adhd.

Terry Matlin:

Another area of deep interest for me.

Terry Matlin:

And I just go through the whole thing.

Terry Matlin:

But I started off in a story of two women.

Terry Matlin:

One who has the hyperactive impulsivity type of ADHD, and one woman who has inattentive.

Terry Matlin:

And we follow their lives, how their ADHD symptoms unfold.

Terry Matlin:

And then it goes straight into.

Terry Matlin:

You don't have to read the whole book.

Terry Matlin:

You just go into whatever cooking.

Terry Matlin:

That's another one for me.

Terry Matlin:

With small kids.

Terry Matlin:

That was horrible.

Terry Matlin:

And when you say about, when you talked about having someone in your corner, that really struck a chord in me because it's so true.

Terry Matlin:

And I hope that the book, in my work and your work and people like us who are in the field who really want to help, will impart the message that you're not broken.

Terry Matlin:

You happen to have an ADHD brain.

Terry Matlin:

And no matter how old you are, life is still there for you to enjoy and to conquer.

Terry Matlin:

Because as a woman gets older, I'm just kind of going backwards a little bit.

Terry Matlin:

But as a woman gets older, she often has some freedom.

Terry Matlin:

The children are now grown, maybe she's retired, she has some extra time, and that's when she can really dive into what her interests and wishes were as a younger person, but couldn't get there.

Terry Matlin:

Now the doors are wide open, for the most part, for.

Terry Matlin:

For you women who now are, you know, aging into a different phase of your life, which can be absolutely a wonderful time.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Yeah, I think it's a really nice, empowering way to end our conversation because I would hate anyone to feel despondent or feel like there's just no point in progressing with an ADHD diagnosis or anything, because it's always worth understanding ourselves better.

Kate Moore Youssef:

It's always worth having this knowledge and this acceptance and this compassion that we are brilliant.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And, yes, we might find life challenging in some places, but interesting.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And I spoke to someone the other day, and they explained ADHD as a neurodevelopmental difference with an imbalance in different hemispheres.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that imbalance means that sometimes our challenges can override our strengths, and sometimes our strengths can override our challenges.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that just made me see ADHD quite differently in the sense that it's kind of like having your foot on a brake and an accelerator and you sort of just like sometimes you've got your foot full down on the accelerator and it just feels great.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And sometimes it just feels like you're just constantly breaking.

Kate Moore Youssef:

And that feels like an easier way to understand ourselves, that it's.

Kate Moore Youssef:

There's ebbs and flows and like, some days are going to feel easier and some days are going to feel harder.

Kate Moore Youssef:

But if we are able to curate a way of living, that hopefully means we've got our foot on the accelerator a little bit more.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Unless slamming on the brake, life hopefully might feel a bit more effortless.

Terry Matlin:

So, yeah, I like that a lot.

Terry Matlin:

I love that.

Terry Matlin:

Thank you for that.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Yeah, I liked it as well, which is why I'm happy to share it.

Kate Moore Youssef:

So tell.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Tell me where.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Where should people come and find you if people are interested in your new program?

Terry Matlin:

Well, my main website is add consults.com.

Terry Matlin:

i do.

Terry Matlin:

I have a lot of resources there.

Terry Matlin:

One of the main things I do is consultations on Zoom or an email.

Terry Matlin:

So that's where you can find me.

Terry Matlin:

Or you can email me at Terry T r r y dconsults.com the new program, once we launch it is actually open now.

Terry Matlin:

You can jump in and put yourself on a waiting list to be informed when I open the doors.

Terry Matlin:

And that's powerful women with ADHD.com so either of those ways and I'm just, you know, if I can help, I would love to connect with, with your, your attendees.

Kate Moore Youssef:

Well, thank you so much Terry.

Kate Moore Youssef:

It's been an absolute pleasure to meet you and yeah, I look forward to connecting and staying in touch.

Terry Matlin:

Well, thank you for having me.

Terry Matlin:

This was a delightful conversation.

Terry Matlin:

Thanks.

Kate Moore Youssef:

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Kate Moore Youssef:

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Kate Moore Youssef:

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Kate Moore Youssef:

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