Cheesy and Fondue talk about great cheese debates. We discuss pasteurization, grilled cheese, string cheese, cheesecake, Mac and cheese, Google, burgers, quesadillas and more. We discuss the science behind chocolate vs. cheese cravings and we hear about an assault by block of cheese. And of course, we tell a very cheesy joke!

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Why is cheddar the most dangerous of all the cheeses? Because it is very sharp!

134 Show Notes

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https://www.chowhound.com/1516495/american-vs-cheddar-cheese-better-for-burgers/

https://www.chsperiscope.com/perspectives/2018/03/28/cheesecake-cake-pie-or-tart-editorial/#:~:text=The%20structure%20of%20cheesecake%20is,forever%20will%20be%2C%20a%20tart.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/chocolate-cheese-science-finally-reveals-12710783.amp

This Week in Cheese 

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>> Cheesy: Just Cheesy, the podcast presented by Just

Cheesy Productions.

>> Fondue: Hi there. I'm your host, Fondue

>> Cheesy: And I'm Cheesy.

>> Fondue: In this week's episode, we're talking all about great

cheese debates.

>> Cheesy: Ooh

>> Fondue: we're going to talk about pasteurization, grilled cheese,

string cheese, cheesecake, Mac and cheese,

google burgers, quesadillas, and

more. We're going to talk about the science behind

chocolate versus cheese cravings. We're gonna

talk about an assault by block of cheese.

And of course, no episode would be complete without our

very cheesy jokes.

>> Cheesy: I love jokes.

>> Fondue: Stay tuned for episode 137,

debate on just cheesy, the

podcast.

Apparently, pasteurization is a huge

debate worldwide when it comes to cheese.

>> Cheesy: Really.

>> Fondue: According to cello cheese.com, comma,

pasteurization occurs when raw milk is heated to a

high temperature, one that's high enough to kill

potentially disease causing bacteria. And that's

what sort of stems the debate, because a lot of

bacteria cultures and enzymes are used to give

cheese a unique flavor.

>> Cheesy: Oh, yeah.

>> Fondue: The reason for pasteurization is simple. According to

the FDA, the CDC, and other us

agencies, raw milk is unsafe when it's consumed

by infants, young children, the elderly,

and immunocompromised people. And if you're

pregnant, you should not consume pasteurized cheese or

milk products. And here's where it gets even more

interesting. I thought it was banned all the way across the

United States. And in 1987, the

FDA did ban interstate sales of raw milk.

But unpasteurized dairy products can still be sold

within certain states. And apparently, raw milk

cheese can be marketed and labeled as raw milk

cheese, and it usually is aged around 60

days. And that's because dangerous bacteria like

listeria can't survive past this period.

Farmtoconsumer.org actually has an

interactive map of state by state review of

raw milk laws. For instance, New Jersey

is the only state where raw milk cannot legally

be obtained in any way.

>> Cheesy: Wow.

>> Fondue: The map shows Oregon, a big chunk of the

Midwest, New York, Vermont, and

Massachusetts, where they have farm to consumer sales.

Okay, Florida, Indiana, and Maryland

have sale for pet food as legal on this

map.

>> Cheesy: Whoa.

>> Fondue: The United States actually regulates the

unpasteurized cheeses a lot more than countries like

Italy and France.

>> Cheesy: Really?

>> Fondue: And in the United States, there are still some

unpasteurized cheeses, like brie, camembert,

feta, gorgonzola, and queso fresco.

Pasteurization can reduce the possibility of

foodborne illness, and if you prefer unpasteurized,

do so at your own risk.

>> Cheesy: Be careful.

>> Fondue: Let's settle another debate.

>> Cheesy: Ooh. Okay.

>> Fondue: Grilled cheese.

>> Cheesy: Yeah.

>> Fondue: Do you use mayo or butter?

>> Cheesy: I don't know.

>> Fondue: According to aol.com dot 1990

called Right.

>> Cheesy: They want their Internet service back.

>> Fondue: Yeah, they do.

>> Cheesy: A o l. Really?

>> Fondue: I know. I know. I didn't know AOL was still around,

but this is an article from April 12,

2024. So they're still around.

>> Cheesy: Wow. Just. Wow.

>> Fondue: Butter can take on a nutty, toasty flavor. Yeah,

it can, but there's a little bit of a danger when it comes

to butter. It can get burnt very quickly, and it

can ruin the flavor of what you're cooking.

>> Cheesy: Aw.

>> Fondue: mayonnaise, on the other hand, is an emulsion of oil

and acid, and the egg adds as a binder

that brings the two, unlike ingredients, together.

>> Cheesy: Okay.

>> Fondue: They say here you don't really have to worry about burning milk

solids here because the fat in the mayo can withstand

high temperatures. This way, you can take the time

that you need to perfect the level of brown on the outside of

your sandwich. But then there's another option.

They also say here that you could actually

use both.

>> Cheesy: Yes

>> Fondue: they used equal parts mayo and softened

butter and spread it on the exterior of the sandwich.

>> Cheesy: Yum.

>> Fondue: they said this was a low effort, high reward grilled

cheese sandwich.

>> Cheesy: Yum my

>> Fondue: We have another debate that's extremely controversial.

>> Cheesy: Oh, no.

>> Fondue: Which is the correct color for cheddar cheese? Oh, is

it white?

>> Cheesy: Yeah.

>> Fondue: Or is it orange?

>> Cheesy: Oh, no. I don't know.

>> Fondue: We talked about this a long time ago in season one,

episode 15.

>> Cheesy: Yeah, we did.

>> Fondue: Some say that the orange color is extremely

unnatural. M but that just isn't true. According

to allrecipes.com, comma, the natural dyes

used in cheese making were ingredients like

saffron, carrot juice, paprika, or

marigold. And currently, it's annatto.

>> Cheesy: Oh, wow.

>> Fondue: This orangish red dye comes from a tropical tree called

the.

>> Cheesy: Oh, no.

>> Fondue: I'm gonna butcher it.

>> Cheesy: Yeah.

>> Fondue: You are a coyote tree.

>> Cheesy: Oh, boy.

>> Fondue: And it's one of the oldest dyes known to mankind. It

even dates back all the way to the Aztecs.

>> Cheesy: Holy cow.

>> Fondue: This dye comes from South America, but it can be grown in

Mexico, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Kenya,

India, and the Philippines.

>> Cheesy: Wow.

>> Fondue: But the reason for the dye is actually pretty

interesting.

>> Cheesy: Really.

>> Fondue: Around the 17th century, the majority of cheese was

made in England, and the milk was actually golden in

color. This was because cows, or the specific

breed, like jersey or guernsey, had a diet

of beta keratin rich grass. And the color of

the cheese that resulted from using the cow's cream

indicated its superior quality.

>> Cheesy: Okay.

>> Fondue: Cheesemakers realized they could make some extra money if

they skimmed the cream off the top and sold it separately

or churned it into butter.

>> Cheesy: Okay.

>> Fondue: The result, however, was cheese that was

white and it had less fat and flavor than before. Oh.

>> Cheesy: Boy.

>> Fondue: So cheese makers began coloring their cheeses to indicate

quality, and eventually, that practice happened

in New York, Ohio, Indiana, and

Wisconsin. Dairies in New England decided

they didn't like the brightly colored cheeses. So if you're looking for

orange cheese in Vermont, you're probably not going to find

it. Vermont cheese manufacturers are not

sponsors, but when they are, their ad would go right

here.

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>> Cheesy: Yeah.

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>> Fondue: Now back to the podcast.

There's another big debate.

>> Cheesy: Oh, boy.

>> Fondue: Do you bite, or do you peel your string

cheese? Two student editors at the

Algonquin harbinger have taken up this debate.

On one side, we have Maggie del Rey. She's

on team peel your cheese. She

cites WebMD, that eating slowly

allows your body to realize you're full before you've already

consumed too many calories. Ben Weber

disagrees, and he agrees that the name

implies peeling the cheese into strings is the correct method

of consumption. But he says biting from the top is

actually much more convenient and satisfying.

>> Cheesy: Whoa.

>> Fondue: Let us know how you eat your string cheese. Yeah, back in

2017, there was a relatively large

debate about Google's burger emoji. You

see, apple has an emoji, and they have bun,

tomato, cheese, burger, lettuce, and then

bun.

>> Cheesy: Okay.

>> Fondue: But Google, on the other hand, has bun,

lettuce, tomato, burger, cheese, then

bun. There's a lot of opinions out there, but most of

them agree that cheese should be on top of the

burger and not underneath. It should let us know what you think

on top. Of course, this isn't the only burger debate.

>> Cheesy: Really?

>> Fondue: We talked about this a few weeks ago in one of our american

cheese episodes. But is american or cheddar

better on your burger now? I personally

like cheddar better overall.

>> Cheesy: Yeah, me too.

>> Fondue: But as far as melting into a burger, I have to say

I think american cheese takes the. Takes the win.

>> Cheesy: Yeah, it does.

>> Fondue: This next debate got me thinking. According

to

chsperiscope.com,

is cheesecake a cake or a pie?

>> Cheesy: I don't know.

>> Fondue: And, some of the answers might surprise you.

>> Cheesy: Okay.

>> Fondue: While the name of it is actually cheesecake,

it's definitely not a cake. According to this article,

the argument here is that anything with a crumb

crust filled with custard and baked is a pie.

Cake is defined as a dough or batter

that's usually fried or baked. Okay, but there's

a third option.

>> Cheesy: What?

>> Fondue: It's more than likely a tart, and

that's defined as a small pie or pastry shell

without a top containing jelly, custard, or

fruit. thekitchen.com asks this

question. Do you use a fork or a spoon to

eat your Mac and cheese? What do you think? Cheesy.

>> Cheesy: A, spoon?

>> Fondue: In 2017, there was a survey of 5000

adults in the US. They asked which way they prefer to

eat their macaroni and cheese.

>> Cheesy: Okay.

>> Fondue: 71% of adults said they preferred

to use a fork. 28% said

they use a spoon. And apparently 1% of

responders said they use something other than a fork

or a spoon.

>> Cheesy: Like their hands.

>> Fondue: I have no idea. Maybe a spork.

>> Cheesy: Oh, yeah.

>> Fondue: Our next one is the quesadilla. According

to Wikipedia, in the United States, a quesadilla

is comprised of a flour tortilla, heated

cheese in the middle, and some other ingredients.

>> Cheesy: Yeah.

>> Fondue: It's then folded and served.

>> Cheesy: Yummy.

>> Fondue: But did you know that in Mexico City,

quesadillas are not assumed to come with cheese unless

you specifically request it?

>> Cheesy: What?

>> Fondue: No. I think sometimes we have to consider the source here is

Wikipedia.

>> Cheesy: Oh, yeah.

>> Fondue: If you're from Mexico City or you know anyone who

is, let us know if this is a true statement.

>> Cheesy: Yeah.

>> Fondue: According to Mirror Co. UK, the

Yale School of Medicine performed a study

to find out once and for all if people like

chocolate or savory snacks like cheese better.

>> Cheesy: Cheese does.

>> Fondue: And I'm sorry to say, or glad to

say, that chocolate has won this debate.

>> Cheesy: No way.

>> Fondue: Their results provided the first demonstration that

foods high in fat and carbohydrate are, calorie for

calorie valued more than foods containing only fat

or only carbohydrates?

>> Cheesy: I highly doubt it.

>> Fondue: It's time for my favorite segment this week in

cheese. According to nationalpost.com

comma, police officers encountered a very irate

male, and he assaulted them with a block

of cheese.

>> Cheesy: Oh, no.

>> Fondue: I really can't believe we encounter this so frequently.

Yeah, it's like a psa we should be having here.

Please stop throwing your cheese at people.

>> Cheesy: Yes, please.

>> Fondue: Don't throw it at cars. Don't throw it at police officers.

Just eat it as intended.

>> Cheesy: I'm ready for a joke Fondue.

>> Fondue: Why do cheeses avoid political debates?

>> Cheesy: I don't know.

>> Fondue: Because they're afraid of getting grilled. Oh,

get it?

>> Cheesy: Yeah, that's timely.

>> Fondue: It was timely. And a little bit

cheesy.

Thanks for listening to just cheesy, the podcast

episode 137 debate.

>> Cheesy: Thank you.

>> Fondue: We're gonna have a couple of polls out there asking you,

how you like to eat your cheese and the color. Stay

tuned for that on our social media.

>> Cheesy: And stay cheesy, everybody.