Listen to how it all looks to Dr. J. Drew Lanham - ornithologist, scholar, activist and author of the celebrated memoir, The Home Place: Memoirs of a Colored Man's Love Affair with Nature. Drew Lanham and Mary cover a lot of ground - from childhood, to the truths of American history, to the way the world looks to a Mississippi kite flying overhead.

Read Drew's incredible poem Joy Is The Justice We Give Ourselves, here: https://emergencemagazine.org/poem/joy-is-the-justice-we-give-ourselves/

Find more information about Mary and Gary's new book, Full Ecology, here: https://www.heydaybooks.com/catalog/full-ecology-repairing-our-relationship-with-the-natural-world/

Music this week by Alexei Desmarais and Gary Ferguson.