In this episode, we’re celebrating the thrill of guitarmony, sick riffs, and driving 8th-note rhythms by talking about Judas Priest. Before getting ready for this episode, neither of your esteemed hosts had ever delved into the Priest discography beyond the rock-radio hits and Beavis and Butthead—though we’d both spent our time with Heavy Metal Parking Lot. Since so many of the GOATs hold the band in the highest of regard, we knew that K.K. Downing and Glenn Tipton belonged on this list, so we embarked on a journey to find out why.

After hours of listening and watching, we’re happy to report that we get it. From their debut, 1974’s Rocka Rolla, through 1980’s British Steel, deep into the ’80s-production era with 1986’s Turbo, and through the speed-metal bravado of 1990’s Painkiller, plus live videos and records—the super-loud Us Festival performance and the crushing Unleashed in the East record—we found a lot that we love.

If you’re new to Priest’s music or are trying to find your own starting point, we’ve got some great tips for guitar jammers. And if you’re a hardcore fan, maybe you’ve got some tips you can share for our next steps. 

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Okay, so let's talk about Judas Priest.

Here's the thing.

Today's episode is a little bit different than other episodes of the 100 guitarist podcast.

In previous episodes, I would say.

I think it's safe to say at this point.

What is this?

Episode 21.

Right.

So we're in the second 22nd 20% of this podcast.

Right.

So within the first 20% of this podcast for everybody we've covered, one of us brought some expertise to the artist, and then in some cases, we filled out our expertise with a guest.

They were doing things a little bit differently because neither of us possess expertise on Judas priest.

That's true.

I talked to.

I had some inside sources that we both consulted for this, who probably should rename remain nameless.

I think two in particular were big fans.

One in particular was a very big fan that we talked to and was our guiding light.

But we don't want to.

I don't want.

I wouldn't want to mention his name, because I don't feel like our views should be colored by his impression.

Okay, sure.

Yeah.

But they did our views.

We're maintaining unbiased journalistic views here at the 100 guitarist podcast.

We're just simply, you know, we looked for the information.

Okay.

What do people like about Judas Priest?

What do we.

We put Judas.

Both of us agreed to this.

We weren't, you know, there's, uh.

There's no secret forces at play here.

We said Judas priest should be on this, but neither of us are experts here.

But we know.

We both know how important they are.

We both know how iconic they are.

We both know what classic rock radio sounds like.

So we've.

We've heard those songs.

Yeah.

Here's an interesting thing I noticed about Judas Priest and consulting with the people in my life who are much bigger fans, I would say it's not uncommon for a band with this kind of legacy for fans to really, really like the early era of said band and view it above all the rest of the eras.

For example, in general, Van Halen.

Yeah, right.

A lot of people like the Dave Lee Roth records.

Maybe they like Samuel, you know, Black Sabbath.

Right.

This was an interesting band because it seemed like the middle period was what everybody gravitated toward.

Yeah.

Interesting.

I didn't.

Their first album, Rock a Rolla, came out in 74 which I think just getting a 50th anniversary reissue.

Right.

They put out five records, rockarola, sad Wings of Destiny, sin after sin, stained class, killing machine.

Then british steel comes along, which was really the first record that I knew of.

Same of Judas Priest.

Right.

Because it had one of the all time, and I will say this without a doubt, one of the all time great album covers.

Oh, yeah.

The hand with the razor on it, you know, has the hits living after midnight, break in the law.

That's where I feel like they really broke through commercially.

Right.

And then it seemed like so that eighties period, let's say, from british steel through turbo, ram it down.

Probably turbo, though, that it seems to me like the real hardcore fans, that's the era that they really gravitate towards.

Totally.

Right.

So what I did is I kind of looked at this in like three parts.

One, I hit the.

The eighties period, which I would also.

I would also slide in unleashed in the east that came out in 79.

I also slide that a little bit in there.

I would say unleashed in the east out of my discovery was the one I was into the most.

Oh, interesting.

Okay.

Because I just.

The KK and Glenn's guitar tones on that were incredible, you know?

And you gotta think late seventies recording technology was what it was.

It was probably incredibly expensive to record a live record.

And I think that after listening to it now, I think that might be one of the more underrated live records I've heard.

It's really good.

I really enjoyed it, I think.

For me.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I really liked it.

I kind of liked.

You know, a lot of the records have, like, first disc is the album and then second disc is a bunch of live tracks, live stuff.

So I listened to unleashed in the east and I was like.

At first I was like, this is it.

But then I listening to these albums, I also started hearing all those live tracks and I kind of couldn't separate.

Like, they're just awesome live for me.

Probably a big highlight for me where I listened and was like, yes, yes, I get it.

I totally get this now.

Yes.

And you sent that over to me.

Yeah.

And like, okay, I'm all about.

I want to buy into the story.

So it's like, I see this wall of marshalls behind them.

I see a wall of cabinets.

I don't care what's happening, I don't care what's actually happening.

I don't care what.

What are dummy cabinets and what are real doesn't matter.

Me.

Every cabinet is on.

That's the.

I'm.

Suspension of disbelief.

I'm watching that like it's a movie.

Like, I.

Okay, there's cabinets there.

They're all on.

They're all, like, just blowing wind out of the speakers, you know?

And so I see that, and it sound.

That's what it sounds like to me.

It's.

That's easy to believe.

Like, that specific video.

It just looks loud.

It feels loud.

It feels so heavy.

And I think that there's so much of Judas Priest's personality in the visual thing, like, so unleashed in the east.

I listen to it and I love it, but watching the spectacle of it, to me, is, like, that was an important thing for me to, like, really take in.

Just, like, the cabinets.

I mean, just the drums.

The whole time that they're playing, every time they do, like, a close up on the drums, every cymbal is just, like, moving the whole time.

Like, everything is just vibrating.

And I'm gonna say it wasn't windy.

I'm gonna say it was just from.

It could fall apart at any moment.

Yeah, exactly.

And then Halford, Rob Halford is just unbelievable.

And KK downing and Glenn Tipton are, like.

They're just, like, such showmen that sold it for me and then made every album that I listened to after that.

Like, you know, it's special.

More special than they were before.

After seeing that, like, it kind of dawned on me that literally, this is, like, the prototypical metal band, when I think of it.

Yes.

Twin ripping guitar players, right?

Cats dressed in leather.

They're not playing ballads.

They're full on the whole time.

A screaming lead singer, an out of control drummer, you know, incredible riffs, you know, drum solos, ripping double harmony leads.

Like, all.

If you make a checklist of.

Here's what you need to be an eighties metal band, check, check, check, check, check.

They have all the elements, right?

So other than the live record when you started digging.

Because it seems like there's a reason why they seem to hit more in the early to mid eighties than in the seventies.

Because it seemed like their style kind of took a bit harder turn.

When it got around to british steel.

It took a harder turn.

And it also like their songwriting.

And if you watch videos, old gray whistle test, where they.

They play some of that stuff, you know, they look like hippies, but it's, like, dark and bluesy vibe.

It's kind of like, there's.

There's some sort of, like, sabbathy heavy.

They don't sound like Sabbath, but there's something there with, like, the darkest thing that's bluesy, but, like.

Okay, the first track won for the road.

That's like, a slow, dark blues song in five, four.

Yeah, like, that's.

It's just so.

That couldn't be more different than, like, living after midnight.

And I think that it's like, they get heavier, and that's the story.

But they also just, like, master songwriting by british steel.

Those songs are so good.

Good.

And it's not just, like.

It's one thing to say, like, those songs are so good, but, you know, there's so much to the riffs.

There's so much to the way that the band is streamlined.

Like, rhythmically streamlined.

They're just, like, tight and focused.

Like, if one for the road is like, that's in five, four.

And it's sort of this, like, loose, jammy thing.

Living after midnight, breaking the law.

Those are tighten tight songs.

Right.

Rhythmically tight songs.

But there's also this thing.

There's.

I've always thought that Judas priest was funny, right?

Like, there's, like.

There's, like, a.

This funny thing that they're dark.

They're.

You know, they're.

They're dark and scary or something, but they're also, like.

It's in a way that is funny.

Like.

Like, not quite as far as the misfits.

I love, love, love the misfits.

But, like, there's, you know, Halford's look and the.

But hell bent for leather.

I think it's, like, the first indication to me in their.

In their discography, where it's like, all right, that's a funny title.

Okay, well, and that's where.

I guess that's where that kind of.

Those stage clothes kind of came about.

Yeah.

You know, as part of that tour.

It's so funny.

And then british steel, like, living after midnight is a funny song.

Like, because it's so catchy.

And then breaking the law is, like, also, you know, for me, breaking the law is Beavis and butt head 100%.

Probably the first time I really had some kind of music by jewish priest.

Stuck with me is hearing Beavis and butthead sing a riff to breaking the law.

Yeah, I mean, that's how I learned how that riff goes.

Was hearing them say, same on MTV along with the video.

Yeah.

I don't even know.

It's like.

I think that there's, like, stuff where Beavis is saying it, but they're not, like, listening to the video.

And then, like, I think I knew that first before I even knew it was a song, and, like, heard this and was like, oh, my God, this is awesome.

You know, I was probably twelve or 13 years old.

I was, like, breaking the law, you know?

And hearing the version of breaking the law on that US festival.

That's a ripping version, man.

Crushing.

And I dig their Fleetwood Mac cover, the green Mona Lishi.

They played that throughout their career.

I think that's one of their.

What?

I didn't even catch that.

It's really good.

It's on hell bent for leather.

Yeah.

Killing machine, whatever you wanna call it.

Killing machine, which was renamed for us audiences to hell bent for leather.

Yeah.

They're like, this title's too dark.

Okay, here.

Here's a title that's not dark.

This is a pretty funny name.

This is what it says about that.

It was feared that the murderous implications of the original tile would be too much for the larger record retailers to want to put the lp on its tracks, on its racks.

Sorry.

So.

Yeah, well, that wasn't a problem with hell bent for leather.

No, wasn't a problem.

Hell bent for leather.

There we go.

So what album?

Okay, so british steel is awesome, but I wouldn't say that's my favorite Judas priest albumen.

What album is your favorite?

Did you.

Did you gravitate towards any one album?

I like hell bent for.

I think between.

It's probably, for me, the studio records, between hell bent for leather and screaming for vengeance.

For me, it's screaming for vengeance.

Yeah.

Cause you have electric eye.

You have another thing coming.

Yeah.

It's so good.

Electric eye is amazing.

You've got another thing coming.

Is amazing.

I really liked riding on the wind.

When KK and Glenn are trading solo, there's, like, solo breaks.

It's awesome.

Their guitars are just, like, screaming.

It's amazing.

Taking change is kind of like the ballad thing, but it's like.

It's not a ballad because it's so heavy, but melodically, I was thinking of it kind of as ballad.

And then they have these cool guitar mini fills that, like, every time they play guitar mini lines.

I think that's the coolest.

I am not still well versed enough in their catalog to be able to tell the difference between Glenn and KK.

Um, I'm not either.

And I'm okay with that in this case.

In so many cases, I want to, like, this player sounds like this.

This player sounds like this.

So, like, for Slayer, for example, the difference between Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman is, like, noticeable.

They have different vocabularies and they.

They serve different purposes.

I don't think of KK and Glenn as serving different purposes there.

They're serving together in the.

In a guitar me, you know, they're.

They're a two person guitar army.

And I think that's like the.

That.

That was the.

The thing for me, that was the hook for me, like, feeling like I really got.

Their playing is like, they play so many riffs in unison that are like, 8th note riffs.

Just like, together.

Yeah.

Then I.

They'll, like, end a riff or they'll do a fill or a pre chorus with that harmony line, and it's like they're going down the road and then they split off and then they come back and like, that, I think, is like, they're just so locked into each other.

And that's like a key to Judas Priest's guitar sound.

Can we talk about.

Did you spend much time with turbo?

A little bit.

I was pointed away from that by.

Interesting.

Okay.

I could see why.

Cause it is.

It does deviate from the sound for me.

I like the COVID of turbo, so.

No, it's just not.

Yo, it sounds like Zz.

I mean, it's super eighties.

I'm looking at.

It sounds like eighties.

Zz top.

Right?

Like turbo lover from the get go.

First track.

Turbo lover.

That drum sound, I'm just like, all right, they're doing eliminator, private property.

Sounds like sharp dress mandy.

But then with, like, these huge other things going on, these huge other riffs.

But it starts.

The main riff that starts.

It sounds like sharp dress man.

But I really loved the production on turbo.

That was.

Yeah, I did.

See here it lists who, essentially, they put lead guitar credits on who plays the solo on turbo?

I don't know that.

I want to know that.

Ooh.

Some of these songs, only one of them solo.

Okay, interesting.

I wish more bands did that because.

Yeah.

Their styles are so similar.

Yeah.

You know that.

And for.

I think that's why it works.

You know, if they were radically different, I don't think it meshes well.

So speaking of guitar solos.

Painkiller.

We talk about painkiller.

Yes.

Now, this one.

This to me, was an outlier.

Like, I.

Yeah, I felt like I was falling in line with my sources, that that middle era was kind of where I would gravitate toward.

But this painkiller record was kind of the outlier for me.

This was the one, especially the title track, you know, oh, yeah.

Title track rips.

I had to go when I heard it, I was like, no way.

It sounds like this live and watch some live videos.

And it surprised me.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

The solo on Painkiller, the guitar solo on pain.

It might be the favorite.

My favorite solo on it.

Let me see if it list as it lists.

And the.

The drum intro.

The drum intro.

The drum intro alone.

Oh, yeah.

What kind of record starts with a drum solo like that?

I mean, come on.

Right?

And that is Glenn Tipton playing the solo painkiller.

So.

Spoiler.

Here's the thing about Painkiller, though, and I feel like the reason I gravitated away from, like, I loved it.

I loved Painkiller for shock value.

I didn't know that Judas Priest sounded like that ever, like, before this, you know, knowing the hits and stuff.

I didn't know that Judas Priest got into that, like, speed metal kind of zone, and I loved listening to it.

But then at the end, it's like, what did I remember?

I remember the sound of the album and the vibe of the album, but I didn't remember the songs the way that I remember the other songs.

Like, it's not.

It doesn't have the pop songs that the other song.

The other albums have.

Yeah.

And this was also, you know, right before, you know, it's kind of the end of their glory pick.

Golden era, I guess you could say.

Because then, you know, you think maybe it's just on my mind.

So I just watched that documentary on the Sunset Strip, but so this came out in 90, right.

Right after this was grunge.

I don't know if that anything to do with the fact that it took him seven years to make another record after this.

But also, they broke up for a.

Yeah, they broke up for a little bit.

I guess that also probably contributed, but, yeah, this.

This.

I would lump this in as the end of their kind of golden, golden era.

You know, they got a new drummer, Scott Travis, from Racer X.

And I think that really kind of kicked him in the butt on this one.

This.

So I like that they're not afraid to have, like, six, seven, eight minute songs.

No, yeah.

That I really like, too.

So I got a question for you.

Here we are.

We're in the.

I feel like that is the end of, like, this prime period.

We're talking at the top of the episode.

I'm saying it's all about KK and Glenn.

Tell me about that.

I did not spend.

I admittedly did not spend much time.

In that period I dabbled.

Okay.

What's he bringing to the band?

What's different?

Well, this might not sound great.

I think he does exactly what he needs to do.

I don't think he is like Richie is.

I mean, this is why they picked him.

Like, he's a guy that can step in and can really, you know, hold down that chair, because, like, the whole reason KK worked so well was because him and Glenn Styles, I think, were so complimentary, similar, however you want to put it.

I think Richie is kind of right in that fold.

He's not too out of left field stylistically.

Obviously, he's younger than the rest of the cats, but he's not too.

So that way, his.

When he plays these leads along with them, along with Glenn, it just works, you know, like, he doesn't stand out too much, I guess, is the way I'm kind of ham fistedly saying he doesn't stand out too much.

Yeah, he.

He knows the gig.

He knows the gig.

He knows the gig.

Right?

So.

But here's the question.

I think much like AC DC, Judas Priest has made the same album a number of times.

Okay, I can get with that.

You know, and I think these light, these latest three records that.

That Richie's been on, redeemer of souls, firepower and invincible shield, all kind of fall in that line.

They all sound like Judas priest, you know, and that's what now, they haven't had any kind of real commercial breakthrough hits, like, another thing coming or whatever, but neither has AC DC, you know, and they're still cranking out, straight ahead, heavy metal records.

You know, they did put an instrumental on this, I believe, this latest record or no fire, one of these recent ones I caught, and they had a.

Oh, yeah.

It was on firepower of track called guardians.

It's only a minute long.

It's only a minute long, but an instrumental Judas priest track.

Yeah, it was cool.

That's longer than a minute would be, I would find of interest.

No, I dug it.

Okay, so our 100 guitarists, listen, it's yet to be determined how long it actually is.

I'm gonna go.

I'm gonna guess that our list is actually gonna be about 116 people long, because we're doing entries where we just pick a band as one of our 100.

But that also has.

That actually has multiple guitar players.

So are we putting Judas Priest on the list with two entries, KK Downing and Glenn Tipton, or three.

And including Richmond Faulkner.

I have my own thought about this.

I want to hear what your thought is.

I would say two because I think Richie has been a wonderful steward of the stage.

Right.

Guitarist, I'm assuming, you know, but I don't feel like they have really done much groundbreaking material with.

With Richie and the band.

Now, if a year after we dropped this episode and they hit, you know, they have a massive tick tock hit with some metal riff that they wrote, which I think would be amazing.

Which would rule.

It would be great.

Yeah.

I don't know.

You could see it, you know, but, I mean, I think when people think of Judas Priest, they think of Glenn and KK.

Yeah.

And that's what you picture.

That's what you picture.

And that's what I think.

I mean, honestly, when people think of Judas Priest, I think they picture Rob Halford.

Sure.

But in guitar circles, yes, it's Glenn and KK.

And, you know, it's funny, I think.

And I think they have.

You know, Judas Priest did not invent heavy metal, but dang, they codified it in such a way in the eighties.

Oh, yeah, that new wave of british heavy metal stuff.

It's like, that's them.

It's important and it's them.

I mean, it's them.

You know?

And I always thought there were interesting parallels between Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.

Yes.

You know, on paper.

Oh, yeah.

You know, rambunctious lead singer who has huge voice, two Shreddy guitar players, or sometimes three is Iron Maiden.

Shredded guitar players that do some harmony stuff.

Lots of amazing riffs.

You know, very creative album artwork.

And.

And Iron Maiden is, you know, huge compared.

Here's.

I would say that for me, the thing that differentiates those two bands the most is when I think of Iron Maiden, I think of Dindelinda.

Linda, Linda, Linda, Linda.

I think of a galloping thing and this soaring vocal thing and soaring guitar things.

And when I think of Judas Priest.

And so it's like with Iron Maiden, there's like.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Different imagery involved.

I imagine.

To me, Iron Maiden is like more of a gallop, whereas Judas Priest, more.

Of a straight eight motorcycle music to me.

Like, I don't ride a motorcycle, but it makes me want to ride a motorcycle.

But, like, not even in real life, like in a video game or like in an eighties movie universe.

That's like what Judas.

That's what Judas Priest makes me feel like when I hear.

Because it's like.

It's more.

Both bands are fun, but in really different ways.

Yes, absolutely.

So I want to point out two other things in the lore of Judas priests that people should go check out.

One heavy metal parking lot.

Oh, man.

It's on YouTube.

It's iconic.

It's iconic.

It's filmed at a Judas Priest Daken show in DC or somewhere, and just a bunch of knucklehead kids and getting ready to go see some Judas Priest.

Yeah, very entertaining.

The other thing is the movie rockstar with Marky Mark Wahlberg, which is, they say, loosely, who knows?

But basically based on.

Halford was out of the band.

The other guys in the band heard this kid sing.

Tim Owens.

Tim Ripper Owens, named after, nicknamed after the Judas Priest song, ends up bringing him into the band.

He was in the band for a while until Halford came back.

So they made kind of a fictionalized movie version of it.

It's kind of like school of rock for adults, you know, it's pretty funny.

You see Zack wild in it.

You see Miles Kennedy in it.

Jason Bonham's in it.

Nick Cantonese plays guitar in it.

It's pretty.

Oh, Stephen Jenkins from Third Eye Blind is in it.

Michael star from Steel Panther is in it.

Yeah, it's.

It's a pretty entertaining.

You know, even if it's probably not fully how everything went down, it's a pretty entertaining movie.

So I would definitely check those out.

I haven't seen that.

I got to check that out.

Got it.

While we're speaking of movies, I have no idea what the actual answer is for this.

Probably easily found, but just feeling wise going on.

Feel.

I'm not interested in the facts here.

Uh.

How much Judas Priest.

How much of Judas Priest is in spinal tap, you think, aesthetically?

Oh, I think a good amount.

I think it's a lot.

I think it's a good amount.

There is a lot of spinal tap.

Rob Reiner has said he went to see Judas Priest in concert to prepare.

Oh, there you go.

There's the fact to make that film.

That would be the double lead guitar guys.

That feels like the two bands.

Like, I couldn't think.

Couldn't help but think about that.

And then it's like the.

The metal imagery and the change in style.

Like the.

I mean, I feel like it was.

You know, Judas Priest didn't ever write a song that sounded like give me some money.

But I think it was more earlier.

Priestley probably influenced the look in a way, you know?

Cause the spinal tap guys weren't like, totally decked out in leather and studs the whole time.

Derek Smalls was, though.

Well, Derek Smalls was.

Yeah, I'm really interested in hearing.

Seeing spinal tap, too.

Yeah, let's get that rolling.

But, yeah, I could see that.

I could definitely see that.

I don't see as much with Halford, I guess, which visually could be the defining visual part of Judas Priest is Halford.

I don't see as, you know, as much.

Like you said, when people think of Judas Priest, they think of Halford, you know?

Yeah, but the two guitar thing, and just, like, the.

The trajectory of the band, changing styles and stuff.

Not that they're the only band that does that, but there's.

There's something there.

Yeah, right on.

All right.

Did we do it?

We did it.

We are new Judas Priest fans.

I'm totally like, this isn't my Judas priest deep dive doesn't stop today now that we recorded this.

Like, no, I gotta keep listening to screaming for vengeance.

Like, one of the very fun things I do while we're doing this podcast is whatever band we happen to be, or guitarist we happen to be listening to at the time.

I will play it for my daughter when I take her to school in the morning.

And last week it's screaming for vengeance.

Honeydeheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh here we go.

She's twelve.

Let's go.

And she's like, ooh.

And I just love to hear, like, you.

What do you think?

I asked her, I was like, what would you call this music?

Uh huh.

What did she say?

She called it heavy rock.

She called it.

I was like, that's.

Yeah, that's what we'll call it.

Heavy rock.

You know, could she get into it?

No, she's a real Broadway pop girl.

Right.

Although she has a little bit of.

Broadway in here, though.

But listen, visually.

Yeah, maybe, but, yeah, but not listening.

Not listening to it.

No.

So.

But she's always my litmus test.

Like, what do you think of this?

And just what has she liked the most so far?

Do you have yet?

I mean, she likes.

Her name's Layla, so she definitely likes Clapton.

But we haven't covered him yet.

But no, she likes Lake street dive.

She likes Ben Rector.

I mean, of artists we've covered a.

Oh, none.

None.

I don't think there's a single one where she's like, yeah, dad, let's play more of that.

We want Layla to report back.

I mean, I would say she's heard quite a bit Oasis lately.

I would say.

Honestly, Oasis or stones would be the ones she doesn't.

Let's be honest.

Jerry Garcia, Oasis, Stones and Garcia are the ones she's been, you know, subject to lately.

So do your children know how to play Wonderwall?

The lady's gonna start taking guitar lessons real soon, so.

Yes, she will.

Absolutely.

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