Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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:people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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:Hey, everybody, and welcome back.
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:Today, I am gonna be chatting with
Sonia, an independent rescuer that
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:is doing amazing work with TNR,
Trap Neuter Return, and helping
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:community cats live healthier lives.
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:It's gonna be a really great
conversation, so let's jump right in.
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:Hey, Sonya.
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:Welcome to the show.
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:Sonia: Thank you.
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:Dixie: Today we are gonna talk about
your role as an independent rescuer.
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:To get started, tell us your backstory.
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:How did you get involved with
being an independent rescuer?
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:.. Sonia: I guess it goes back to
how did I get into rescue, period.
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:And that would go back to my cat
Moco, and he's the whole reason why
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:I ended up back in the rescue because
we crossed paths back in New Orleans
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:and that was the first time I had
ever worked with a actual rescue.
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:But before I was in New Iberia,
where I am now, and I found
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:Moco on the side of the road.
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:Somebody dumped him, typical.
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:And I took him in, and he
was with me for 14 years.
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:He slipped out on my mom that
th of:
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:night , and I've never found him.
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:But he was the whole reason why I
ended up getting back into it, because
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:whenever I moved back into New Iberia,
I did not wanna go back into rescue.
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:But c'est la vie, here I am.
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:Dixie: Why you didn't
wanna go back into rescue?
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:Sonia: Ugh.
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:I don't wanna sound like an angry person,
but the community here, They don't wanna
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:be part of the solution very often.
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:So that kind of deters people from
wanting to be involved in this,
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:which I completely understand
whenever you're passionate about it.
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:So it's a headache, but, once you're
in it, it's very difficult to leave.
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:You love cats, so You can't really turn
your back on them once you see how badly
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:the problem has progressed, especially
since I had left, it really got bad.
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:And I didn't notice until I started
searching for my cat and going
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:to places where it was reported
that there was a large group
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:of cats, uncontrolled colonies.
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:And what did I do?
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:I dropped the trap down and started
TNR-ing, and, it just, it kept going.
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:And I'm glad I didn't stop now,
but, it can be hard sometimes.
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:Dixie: Yeah, definitely it can.
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:Now, in New Iberia, would you
consider that a more rural area?
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:Sonia: I would definitely.
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:I'm more of a city girl, I would
definitely say this is more rural.
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:I'm from Morgan City, which is not a
big town, but we're right there, in
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:Morgan City, you're right there between
Lafayette, Baton Rouge, and New Orleans,
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:so you go to cities pretty often.
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:You don't spend a lot of
time in the country whenever
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:you're surrounded by bayous.
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:But here it's definitely a lot of
sugarcane fields and rural area.
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:A lot of, low-income people.
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:So they have a lot of difficulties
taking care of cats, so they call
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:a lot more often than in more
metropolitan areas, if that makes sense.
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:Dixie: Sure.
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:I was asking because it seems to be a
problem with a lot of the rural areas
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:where they're just kinda underserved.
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:They just don't have the
access to spay and neuter.
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:Sonia: Yes, ma'am.
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:I think that it really does boil
down to elected officials not really
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:wanting to invest much in working
with rescue groups and TNR groups.
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:They don't wanna make
the investment in it.
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:They don't wanna help any type of
investment or even allowance for
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:low-income spay and neuter clinics.
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:I think we recently got one here,
it's called Acadiana Spay and Neuter,
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:which is closer to New Iberia than,
what I'm sure a lot of people have
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:heard of, Spay Nation in Lafayette,
which is oftentimes where I go.
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:But I'm not sure when exactly we got
the Acadiana, and I haven't gone yet.
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:But it's just difficult to get
anybody to really care, and I
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:don't know how to make anyone care.
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:We have a lot more rescues
here since the time that I had
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:moved away, which was 2013.
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:I came back in 2020 But we have
a larger overpopulation problem.
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:So I kinda feel like the community
treats these rescues as if they're just
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:another shelter, and they want, and they
call you wanting you to fix problems.
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:They don't wanna be part of the
solution, like I said before.
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:They just want you to come in
and take the cats away and,
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:none of us can really do that.
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:So it's a brick wall everywhere you look.
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:Dixie: Do you think it's more that
they just don't care, or does it have
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:to do with the fact that they're low
income and they don't have the access
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:to spay/neuter like they should?
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:Sonia: Both.
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:It, you're, you'll find
both type of people here.
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:, Some people just aren't animal people.
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:Some people have a true
despise for cats in particular.
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:But then every once in a while,
right now I'm working on a colony
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:in Erath, and I was contacted by
a lady that lives in this trailer
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:park, and she really cares about 'em.
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:And she's investing her own personal
money in getting them fixed and
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:vaccinated and, taken care of.
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:And she's continuing to feed.
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:So I'm bringing her food but then
you have the real hateful people
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:that live right next to them.
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:There's a police officer that lives
in the same trailer park, has a
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:drop trap, refused for me to borrow
it, and told me he was gonna start
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:trapping them and drowning them.
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:You know just okay sorry I even
spoke to you to begin with.
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:But like I said you find them on
both sides of the spectrum here.
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:, Dixie: you go out to go look for Moco,
and what did you start seeing that you
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:said, "Okay, I've gotta do something.
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:I've gotta get involved"?
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:Sonia: I made social media posts
just asking if anybody had seen him.
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:He was 14 years old, so , I
gave a lot of detail.
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:Not just marking as most people do,
but, he was microchipped, he's neutered.
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:And also the fact that he was
getting older and, a broken tooth.
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:And, just stuff like that.
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:And I got a lot of calls back of
people saying that there was a large
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:group of cats in locations, and
they thought they saw a cat that
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:looked kinda like Moco compared
to the pictures, blah, blah, blah.
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:Went to go check it out and, it was
a group of homes in , a rural area.
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:And you could just look around and
find, a lot of injured ones, which means
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:fighting and young ones, so there's
no females there that are spayed.
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:Just , like a lot of cats in a
grouped up area, and as we know they
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:find their easiest source of food
and, mating, and they stick around
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:as far as, as long as the food's
there, they're gonna stick around.
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:So they just gather up and , I found
five different locations just in
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:the city limits of New Iberia within
the first three months, I believe.
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:Somewhere, two, three months, and
I started working on all of them.
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:Dixie: Are you doing this
out of your own pocket?
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:Sonia: Yes, ma'am.
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:Every once in a while
I'll get on Nextdoor.
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:I find I get more feedback on Nextdoor
and ask for donations if, I'm just
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:kinda running low every once in a
while, but I hate to ask for donations
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:without actually being a rescue.
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:As an individual, I I don't know, like
I feel kinda guilty for doing that.
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:Maybe I shouldn't.
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:But I do get more feedback on
Nextdoor than, say, Facebook or
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:Instagram or something like that.
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:Maybe it's because it's more
of a personal local type app.
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:But most of the time, 95% I'd say
it's definitely out of my pocket.
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:Dixie: Have you reached out to any rescues
in the area that may offer you assistance?
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:Sonia: I have reached out to
some smaller ones newly opened.
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:And they've been very helpful,
especially this kitten season.
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:I actually have three, a litter
of three in my care right now.
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:But before those got handed to me
I had two other, groups of two.
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:So just reaching out to them.
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:I'm not gonna say the name because
I don't have permission, one rescue
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:reached out three different times
and had a foster to take them in,
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:so I was very grateful for that.
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:The rescues are very much involved
as much as they possibly can be.
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:I couldn't ask for anything
more from any of them.
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:Dixie: And the current kittens that
you have, do they put them up for
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:adoption through their adoption venues?
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:Sonia: I haven't connected
these three with any rescues.
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:The other ones I handed off and
they have a foster and they're
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:taking great care of them.
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:These,, I didn't have anybody to be
able to step up for these, so you
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:know, I'm just gonna do my part and
raise them and get them spayed and
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:neutered and put them up for adoption.
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:I usually charge about 45 re-homing
fee, adoption fee, and I do like to
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:do a home check just to make sure.
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:And, as $45 does not even
come close to covering the
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:expense of, getting them ready.
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:But I do adopt them out myself,
but I do like to work with rescues
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:because it's just more networking.
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:You can reach a lot more people that way.
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:I may reach out to a rescue and
see if I could get them to help
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:me out with networking these.
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:I'm not there yet with these and
I have a lot on my plate, so I
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:just haven't thought that far,
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:Dixie: I completely understand that.
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:Have you ever thought about
trying to get a 501[3]?
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:Sonia: Yes, ma'am.
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:I actually have been looking into it.
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:Because of the community using
rescues around here as it's just
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:another shelter that they can go
and bring , a cat to, I don't know
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:if I wanna go sanctuary, direction.
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:I would like to do TNR.
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:That desperately needs to be done.
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:And we used to have a
TNR group called SNIP.
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:I believe the founder, she retired
and then had to go back to work, so
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:it's just been a lot of load on her.
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:I don't know if it's still open,
but I know it's not very active.
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:So I think it would be a good thing
for me to kinda kick in and see if
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:I can open something like that here.
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:It's desperately needed.
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:Dixie: Yeah, definitely.
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:, When you say people are abusing
the rescues and using the rescues
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:as a shelter what do you mean?
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:Do you mean if they find a pet, they
bring it there, or do you think it's
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:just abandoning their responsibilities?
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:Sonia: A lot of times it's
abandoning their responsibilities.
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:Even local Facebook groups and
stuff, if you go in there, they're
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:always looking for a free kitten.
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:And I try to explain,
there, there is no free.
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:If you're gonna be a responsible owner
and you're gonna bring them and get them
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:vetted and vaccinated and, so on and so
forth, you're gonna invest a lot of money.
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:It's gonna be hundreds of dollars.
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:Whenever you can go to the local shelter
or, get in touch with some of these
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:rescue groups and adopt from them, it may
be $150, but everything's done for you.
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:You don't have to even bring them
to the vet, and it's a lot cheaper,
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:but they don't really wanna hear it.
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:They take on these free animals,
and they either, start spraying
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:in the house, or they get pregnant
because they let them out.
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:And then once that happens, they don't
want anything to do with it anymore.
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:They see it as a problem, so they want
somebody to come and take their problem
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:away, and that's oftentimes what they're
what rescues are called for, and it...
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:I don't know how much more
people can do to educate.
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:I think the information's pretty
far out there, but I am in rescue.
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:Maybe it's just a skewed perspective.
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:I don't know.
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:But I really don't have the answers.
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:I'm just, I'm beating the ground
just trying to fix the problem,
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:and there, there doesn't seem
to be an answer right now.
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:Dixie: Yeah, I definitely know what
you mean about the whole thing with the
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:people posting in the groups though,
'cause I've been seeing it a lot.
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:And it seems that they'll try to rehome
a cat that isn't spayed or neutered
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:yet, and then it seems that- ... they
do it in the middle of kitten
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:season, which even makes it worse.
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:It's- ... they decide now, or then you'll
get the excuse the cat's pregnant, so I've
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:gotta find a place for the cat to go."
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:And it's why didn't you spay or neuter?
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:And I think, like what you said, when
people take a free kitten, They might
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:have all intentions of going to get it
done, but- ... if something happens, it
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:might just get delayed, and then once that
kitten reaches maturity at pretty much
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:four months old, they're gonna try- to
find a way to get out the house to either
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:go find a boyfriend or a girlfriend.
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:And if you have a female cat,
she's gonna come back pregnant.
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:And that's something that I always
say too, 'cause I know it happened to
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:it was a relative of mine a couple of
years ago, and he ended up having some
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:kittens, a whole litter of kittens.
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:So he asked me to help him
with the kittens, and I'm like,
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:why didn't you spay the mom?"
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:And the excuse was that he didn't
have the money to spay the mom, and
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:we have very low-cost programs here,
so there's really no excuse for it.
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:And I'm like, "You didn't have money
to spay the mom, but now you're feeding
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:six kittens and the mom until those
kittens are big enough to rehome."
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:And so I'm like- ... that right
there, that makes no sense
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:Sonia: Especially if they know somebody
in rescue, they can contact us.
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:I have a couple family members
that recently did that, and
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:I just about lost it on them.
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:And I didn't mean to, but it's
just you know that I'm here You
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:know, you could easily give me a
call and I could make it happen.
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:. And I understand, if you have family
and kids and work and, economy's getting
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:worse and everybody has other concerns,
you tend to procrastinate about things.
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:I get it.
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:But just stop looking for free kittens.
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:To me that's the answer is
stop looking for free kittens
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:Dixie: Yeah
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:... Sonia: I don't think a lot of
people understand that they can
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:get pregnant at four months old.
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:I don't know.
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:But it doesn't matter how many times I
tell people, it doesn't seem to really
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:stick in, in the memory or something.
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:Dixie: Yeah and another thing that I've
been seeing a lot lately that gets to
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:me too is either a 501[3] rescue or an
independent rescuer will often make an
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:offer to people, "Look, I have room.
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:Let me take your kittens," i'll be able
to get the kitten spayed or neutered and
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:then I'll go find a home for the kitten."
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:And most of the time they're told,
"Oh we have somebody else that's
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:interested in them before you."
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:And it's really?
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:Sonia: Ag- yeah, I usually
don't get that answer.
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:They are handing it over.
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:But I don't make that offer too often
either, at least lately, because , I have
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:fosters that are in my care right now.
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:Two of them have been waiting two years,
and nobody has even put in an adoption
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:attempt, so , I know my limitations.
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:I can't take on that many cats.
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:I'm only one person.
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:But also I don't wanna give them an idea
that they can just keep getting cats and
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:coming to me and I'm just gonna take them.
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:Yeah.
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:It's a catch-22.
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:Dixie: Yeah, it really is, and
I think that's the thing too
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:is how do you reach people?
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:Because I've had this discussion before,
like I can preach spay and neuter all
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:I want on my social media, and I'm only
reaching people who are exactly like me.
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:So it's like how do you
reach these other people?
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:, Sonia: Unless they're coming onto
pages that we're often on I don't
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:believe it does reach a lot of people.
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:But it, if you go on adoption pages
and we do give that message out, I
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:don't think it's well received either.
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:It's, they look at it,
it's just an animal.
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:It's just an animal, like we were
talking about, they find themself in
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:this situation and they want, you asked
me about them calling rescues a lot.
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:If they can't find another home or a
rescue group or somebody to take them
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:in, a lot of times they go and dump
them on the side of the road too, which
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:leads to these uncontrolled colonies.
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:So it's just, I don't think that they
really see these little creatures
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:as, living beings like a human being.
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:They just see them as something they can
dispose of, and that's the problem I think
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:, we all have even in metropolitan areas.
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:We have individuals that they want pets,
but it's more to serve them than it
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:is for them just to have a companion.
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:So it ends up, a detrimental
outcome for the pet unfortunately.
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:They're often dumped at shelters
whenever they get too old or something.
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:Or they start having health conditions.
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:We're talking about kittens, but we have
a big problem with the older cats too.
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:I'm sure you do too.
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:It's like they just give up on their pets
whenever they become a certain age and
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:they, gonna cost a couple extra dollars.
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:Oh, yeah.
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:It's all the time.
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:But they don't seem to learn their lesson.
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:They don't seem to learn
the lesson of that, though.
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:They get rid of the animal, and
then they want to adopt another.
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:This shelter over here one of the
biggest complaints I have about
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:them is if they get an elderly
dog or cat in, they will let these
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:people go adopt out a younger pet.
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:What are you talking about?
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:They just dumped a dog or a cat.
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:Why are you gonna let
them adopt another one?
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:Dixie: Yeah, definitely.
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:I have one.
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:He's sitting on my lap right now.
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:. He's a beautiful longhair cat.
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:He's sweet as could be now, but I got
a lie before he came to me, and it was
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:basically- ... that he was dumped at
his home where he was, and these people
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:took him in, and they had him for three
weeks, and they couldn't keep him.
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:So when you hear a story like
that's "Oh, that's wonderful.
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:They took in this cat
that was dumped outside.
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:Their owners moved.
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:They left the cat outside.
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:These people took the cat in."
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:So I end up with the cat-
Yeah ... 'cause I'm like, "Okay.
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:In the photos, he looks very sweet."
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:And so they bring me the cat, and
The poor cat had to end up going
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:on a transport too 'cause the cat
was, like, 10 hours from here.-
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:Sonia: Oh, goodness
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:... Dixie: the poor guy has to
go- Yeah ... through all this.
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:He gets here, and he's exhibiting
this the classic behavior of
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:a cat that has been dumped.
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:And I'm like, "There's no way they
only had this cat for three weeks
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:there's absolutely no way this
cat would be acting like this.
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:So the person wanted me to give updates,
so I have their, the number, so I call
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:'em and I'm like, "Hey," I'm like, "Did
you have this cat for only three weeks?"
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:"Oh yeah, only three weeks."
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:And I was like- ... "Okay, he's
just he's just not settling in.
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:It's like typical dumped
cat, adult cat behavior."
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:, He's exhibiting that depressed, angry
behavior that they have when they get
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:dumped and their owner abandons them.
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:Like they're shut down.
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:Yes, exactly.
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:I'm just like, "There,
there's just no way."
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:So I ended up looking up this person and
I found a post on social media from two
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:months ago, and I learned all about the
cat because- ... it was their cat and they
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:just didn't have time- You got a whole
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:Sonia: background story.
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:Dixie: Yes.
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:Yeah.
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:And I'm like, "Did you not
think I would find this?"
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:Like why lie?
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:Why not just be truthful
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:Sonia: about it?
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:They don't think that we're gonna look.
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:I don't think anybody understands
that we know how to read
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:their body language either.
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:You spend a lot of time with these
little animals, they all have different
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:personalities and, you can't even
say that they're gonna react to a
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:situation all the same because they do
have those individual personalities.
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:But they can all basically, be set
off by triggers and they all show
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:the same type of personalities.
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:They can shut down in different
ways, but they're all shutting down
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:if they're dumped and stuff like...
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:I don't think people understand
that we can figure that out.
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:We know what this is.
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:And I'd have to say it, the
people who contact me, most
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:of them, most, at least 99.9%,
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:tell me some kind of lie to, as
how they came about the cat, how
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:the cat came into their care.
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:I hate to say it like that.
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:I don't wanna be that person,
but I can't really believe
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:what I'm told most of the time.
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:And it's sad, but I don't
know why people lie about it.
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:It doesn't do the cat any good.
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:It doesn't do anyone any good because
it leads me into a situation like
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:you found yourself in a situation
of trying to figure out the
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:backstory so you can help the cat.
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:. Dixie: And this particular
cat, it was a a dog rescue that
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:they contacted a dog rescue.
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:So they tell the dog
rescue this whole story.
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:So, that rescue ended up making all the
arrangements to transport this cat here,
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:and they were gonna just worry about
finding a place for him once he got here.
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:And I Wow ... I had an adopter for
him, but, and I was just hoping,
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:okay he's gonna come in and I'll be
able to adopt him out right away.
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:And we've been working with
him for a couple of weeks.
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:He's a sweetheart now, so it's almost
time for him to go to his new home
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:Sonia: and they all have different lengths
of time that they need to decompress.
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:, You find yourself in a situation,
you can't even determine how long it
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:will take until they're ready to go
to their new home because you have to
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:let them decompress on their own time.
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:You can't force it.
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:So yeah, it really puts us in a bad
place as far as, what we had planned
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:in the future because it's just
an unforeseen situation, and you
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:have to go by what the cat needs.
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:You can't force anything
and you know that.
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:Nobody really understands that.
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:They just, they expect us to have
this little ball of fur that we can
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:pass along, and it's just not that
simple, especially with adult cats.
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:Dixie: With this one,, the
excuse was they don't have time.
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:Yeah ... I
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:Sonia: hear that one often.
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:Dixie: And it's like for a cat
doesn't need a lot of time.
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:It's not like a dog.
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:A dog does need a lot of time 'cause
you gotta go walk your dog every day.
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:But with a cat's fine if they see
you a couple hours during the day
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:Sonia: and some are more clingy,
but most of them, they're just
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:happy to be in your presence, you
watch some TV and they're there.
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:They're just happy-go-lucky
individuals just to be with you.
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:But I, yeah I'm not quite sure what
the I don't have the time thing is.
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in a pet that's supposed to be a family
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like me, but I can wish, I try to wish.
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:Dixie: Hopefully one day it'll get better,
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:Sonia: hopefully, but until we have
more elected officials that try to
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to help the community, I don't see
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it's just, you see it for so long.
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somewhat involved, 14 years
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then the four years I took off.
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some pretty horrific situations
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positive, it really is.
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:, Dixie: It definitely is.
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:How much time , do you devote to doing
TNR and taking care of community cats?
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:Sonia: Oh, I do it daily.
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:This one colony I'm working on it's
been three weeks, and that's Sunday,
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Nation by morning, and I go
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:Dixie: And now New Iberia is a bit
of a drive to Lafayette, so how
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:Sonia: Yes, ma'am.
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:It takes about 40 minutes for
me to get from my home to Spay
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minutes back each day.
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but it- you get so used to driving when
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doesn't seem like a lot anymore.
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:Dixie: Before we end the call,
what final message would you have
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:for people who, say, see a problem
but are hesitant to get involved?
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:Sonia: Sometimes it's hard
to find people like me.
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:It's not like we're advertising,
so unless you know somebody that's
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you don't know to reach out.
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:But reach out to rescues, and some of them
are in touch with people like, independent
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:rescuers that can get you in contact
with us that, we could help you out.
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:The more you leave them out
there unneutered and unspayed and
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are gonna be out there suffering.
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:Dixie: Yeah, I think that's a good
message too, and that's something that
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that are trying to rehome their pets.
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people have no choice but to rehome their
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situations where people have to rehome
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:their pets 'cause maybe they can't
afford food that month, maybe they
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is sick and needs to go to the vet.
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work with you on that than trying to
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:Sonia: easier to do.
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:I
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:Dixie: mean,
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:Sonia: even independent rescuers,
we'd much rather help you,
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or, fundraise for a vet visit or...
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stressful on everybody involved.
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that we can keep you with your pet, that's
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:Dixie: Thank you so much for
coming on the show with me today.
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:Sonia: Thank you so much for having me.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:I loved hearing about the great work
that you're doing, and please keep it
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:Sonia: Thank you so much, and
thank you for what you do.
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:I would like to question you a little
bit on how you got your rescue started.
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:Dixie: Yeah, absolutely.
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:I'm happy to help.
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:And actually on the show, we've
had a couple of people that
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:So if you go listen to some of our
other episodes, there's a bunch
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to share information with you.
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:But if you have any questions, yeah,
please reach out to me because, it's
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. Any questions that you have, shoot 'em
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:That's it for today's
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