Shownotes
John and Kaylee sit down with Tim, the founder of 2A Bourbon, for a conversation about how a retirement plan turned into a Second Amendment bourbon brand built to give money away. Tim is a lawyer and lifelong serial entrepreneur who has owned a nightclub, a bottled water company, and a digital label company he ran for 16 years. He says he will turn 75 next month, and he explains that the idea came from a single moment on a golf course over Memorial Day weekend of 2022. He sliced a ball on the 18th hole and it landed on the name of his son-in-law's twin brother, a fallen North Carolina soldier killed in Iraq, written in chalk down the fairway as part of a Folds of Honor tribute. From there he decided to build a charity, heard on a podcast that a charity needs a following, and landed on guns and bourbon.
Tim walks through the build. He locked the name, the .com, and the trademark in about 15 minutes, then got his label approved by the government in three days when most people told him a Second Amendment label would never get cleared. He took three people to Kentucky to taste bourbons because he wanted real Kentucky bourbon rather than going to the well-known Indiana distillery, and he found a bottler known as the Bourbon Rabbi. The brand pairs gun-company toppers with each run, capped at 20,000 cases to stay collectible, and the current edition carries Smith & Wesson, who licensed their name and logo for free because they did not want to be in the revenue stream. Tim says he has not taken a penny from the company and has raised over a quarter of a million dollars in two years for groups including Folds of Honor, Stop Soldier Suicide, and a ruck walk in Clearwater, Florida. His reasons run personal: a brother who died by suicide at 18 and a son-in-law's family touched by war.
The back half moves into advocacy. Tim, a lawyer, argues that Congress is for sale and that enough money could push gun rights out of reach, which is why he supports GOA and the Second Amendment Foundation, the groups he says are in court keeping the rights. The hosts and Tim trade thoughts on D.C. v. Heller, grassroots versus elite funding of gun groups, and Senator Tim Kaine's claim that rights come from government. Tim's soapbox is a plea to get along across the aisle, framed by his mother's line that the Second Amendment is like a bird that needs a right wing and a left wing to fly. The episode closes on voting with your dollar, the GOA 50th anniversary in Iowa, and a half-serious plan to do a GOA barrel pick.
Questions this episode answers
What is 2A Bourbon and why did Tim start it?
2A Bourbon is a Second Amendment bourbon brand built to give its proceeds away to veteran and gun-rights causes. Tim, a lawyer and serial entrepreneur, started it to turn a retirement plan into a charity, choosing guns and bourbon as the following a charity needs.
How did a moment on a golf course lead to the founding of 2A Bourbon?
Over Memorial Day weekend of 2022, Tim sliced a ball on the 18th hole and it landed on the name of his son-in-law's twin brother, a fallen North Carolina soldier killed in Iraq, written in chalk as part of a Folds of Honor tribute. That moment pushed him to build the brand.
How did Tim get a Second Amendment bourbon label approved by the government?
Tim locked the name, the .com, and the trademark in about 15 minutes, then got the label cleared by the government in three days, even though he was told a Second Amendment label would never get approved. His prior experience with high-end liquor labels gave him an edge.
Why does the bottle carry the Smith & Wesson name and logo, and what did it cost?
Each run pairs a gun-company topper with the bourbon, and the current edition carries Smith & Wesson. Smith & Wesson licensed its name and logo for free because it did not want to be in the revenue stream, only to help the cause.
How much money has 2A Bourbon raised, and which charities does it support?
In about two years, 2A Bourbon has raised over a quarter of a million dollars, and Tim says he has not taken a penny for himself. The money supports Folds of Honor, Stop Soldier Suicide, and a ruck walk in Clearwater, Florida.
Why does Tim, a lawyer, believe gun rights are at risk and why does he support Gun Owners of America?
Tim argues that Congress is for sale and that enough money could push gun rights out of reach. He supports Gun Owners of America (GOA) and the Second Amendment Foundation because those are the groups he says are in court keeping the rights.
What is Tim's argument for keeping the Second Amendment a nonpartisan issue?
Tim makes a plea to get along across the aisle, framed by his mother's line that the Second Amendment is like a bird that needs both a right wing and a left wing to fly. He ties this to voting with your dollar and a cultural shift on gun rights.
Why did Tim choose real Kentucky bourbon and who bottles 2A Bourbon?
Tim took three people to Kentucky to taste bourbons because he wanted real Kentucky bourbon rather than the well-known Indiana distillery. He found a bottler known as the Bourbon Rabbi, and runs are capped at 20,000 cases to stay collectible.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Welcome and meet Tim from 2A Bourbon
- 00:20 — Rapid fire: age, proof, and tasting notes
- 03:39 — The golf course moment that started it all
- 05:49 — Naming it, trademarking it, and label approval
- 06:44 — Choosing real Kentucky bourbon and a bottler
- 07:37 — The charities: Folds of Honor and Stop Soldier Suicide
- 09:26 — Gun-company toppers and the Smith & Wesson deal
- 11:45 — Why Kentucky over the big Indiana distiller
- 16:13 — Where to buy it and shipping to 44 states
- 18:35 — Why the Second Amendment drives the business
- 24:53 — Rights, Heller, and grassroots vs elite funding
- 35:39 — Soapbox: get along, left wing and right wing
- 43:40 — Voting with your dollar and the cultural shift
- 53:50 — GOA 50th in Iowa, a barrel pick, and where to find 2A Bourbon
About the guest
Tim is the founder of 2A Bourbon, a Second Amendment bourbon brand that donates its proceeds to veteran and gun-rights causes. He is a lawyer and a self-described serial entrepreneur who has owned a nightclub, a bottled water company, and a digital label company he ran for 16 years, which gave him experience with high-end liquor labels. He says he will turn 75 the month after recording and is based in North Carolina. He started the company after a moment on a golf course over Memorial Day weekend of 2022, where his ball landed on the name of his son-in-law's twin brother, a fallen North Carolina soldier killed in Iraq. The brand is nearly two years old and has raised over a quarter of a million dollars for causes including Folds of Honor and Stop Soldier Suicide. The cause is personal for Tim, who says his brother died by suicide at 18.
Key quotes
"And guess where my ball ended. On top of my son in law's twin brother's name." — Tim
"I've not taken a penny from 2a. I'm giving it all back." — Tim
"Smith and Wesson says we don't want to be in the revenue stream. We want to help you to help the Second Amendment." — Tim
"The Second Amendment is like a bird. It takes a right wing and a left wing to fly." — Tim
"The only thing that politicians fear is losing power." — Kaylee
"The very next amendment is the freedom to protect that speech and protect everything in between." — John
Transcripts
Welcome to the Gun Owners of America State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Kayleigh.
Speaker B:And I'm John.
Speaker B:And today we're joined by Tim from 2A Bourbon.
Speaker B:Tim has brought an awesome product to the market supporting the second amendment and all our bad habits.
Speaker B:So Tim, how are you today?
Speaker C:I'm doing fine.
Speaker C:Thank you for having me.
Speaker B:We appreciate you being on.
Speaker B:We're going to start off first with our rapid fire segment.
Speaker B:We're going to ask you five questions.
Speaker B:Go ahead and answer them for us.
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Speaker B:First question.
Speaker B:Favorite age of bourbon?
Speaker C:Five years.
Speaker B:Five years.
Speaker C:The experts tell us, the experts that I know in the bourbon business tell us after seven years they don't really think bourbon gets better.
Speaker C:Now I know the bourbon snobs say that's not true.
Speaker C:But a lot of the experts that actually create the bourbon think seven years is about to break.
Speaker C:Where it may be slides a little bit in their opinion.
Speaker A:What was your last impulse buy?
Speaker C:Last impulse buy?
Speaker C:A new fishing boat.
Speaker A:It's a good impulse buy.
Speaker C:Also a honey boat.
Speaker C:It's a camouflage.
Speaker C:So I can duck hunt.
Speaker C:Duck hunt and fish.
Speaker B:It's multi purpose.
Speaker C:Yeah, multi purpose.
Speaker B:Best proof for bourbon.
Speaker C:90 Proofs.
Speaker C:In my opinion, it, it makes it where it's not so hot that you just go, wow.
Speaker C:You know, you can taste it.
Speaker C:You let your, you can feel the flavors.
Speaker C:You can, you can just get everything out of it.
Speaker C:I think 90 proof is where it's at.
Speaker A:Favorite bourbon, Besides your own.
Speaker C:Eagle Rare and now.
Speaker C:Can I explain that?
Speaker A:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker C:We had a big bourbon tasting in a club in North Carolina that has a big following and that every three months they have a bourbon tasting.
Speaker C:And my friend who I play golf with who says he likes me but he's never beat me in golf so he really doesn't like me.
Speaker C:So when I first came out with this, he said, let me have a bottle and carrot.
Speaker C:It's my day to bring the two bourbons.
Speaker C:It was blind tasting.
Speaker C:They picked 10 people out and do a blind tasting.
Speaker C:And he thought he was going to snook at me.
Speaker C:So he went and bought eagle rare 10 year eagle rare.
Speaker C:And they had the tasting and he called me up and gave, called me every name but, but, but I mean every name.
Speaker C:He says, you sorry sucker.
Speaker C:He said 8 out of 10 chose yours.
Speaker C:I thought I was going to finally get over on you.
Speaker C:So Eagle Rare has to be my favorite because 2 out of 10 chose it.
Speaker B:I love that favorite bourbon tasting note.
Speaker C:Cinnamon bun, Cinnamon bunny, which mine has.
Speaker B:That is an interesting one.
Speaker B:I haven't heard this anymore.
Speaker B:The thing that makes me laugh about bourbon tasting though, somebody's like, it tastes like old shoe leather.
Speaker B:How do you know what that tastes like?
Speaker C:Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker C:Great question.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:I think that's five.
Speaker A:That's five.
Speaker B:So that wraps up our rapid fire segment.
Speaker B:Tim, let's go ahead and get into this.
Speaker B:Go ahead and explain how you started the company, why you started the company, what is two a bourbon, all that stuff.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I'll be 75 next month and when I turn 72, 73.
Speaker C:My last company I own, I've been a serial entrepreneur all my life, from practicing law to owning a nightclub to owning a bottle of water company and my last one was a label company, a digital label company that I'd had for 16 years.
Speaker C:And so I knew the liquor business because we did a lot of liquor, high end liquor labels.
Speaker C:And so I was going to retire and my son in law was.
Speaker C:Had gone to Iraq and his twin brother had gone to Iraq and his twin brother had got killed.
Speaker C:And I decided retirement, my wife was retiring from Duke University and we were going to do some good somewhere, you know, serve at a soup kitchen, do something to give back.
Speaker C:And I'm playing golf Memorial Day weekend of 70 of, of 22 and I'm left handed and I tend to hook the ball.
Speaker C:I play right handed, but I'm left handed.
Speaker C:I tend to hook over power.
Speaker C:But this day I sliced it on the 18th hole and unbeknownst to me, every name of every fallen soldier fall from North Carolina was written in white chalk down the right hand side of the fairway.
Speaker C:And I didn't know anything about it.
Speaker C:And guess where my ball ended.
Speaker C:On top of my son in law's twin brother's name.
Speaker C:And I said, holy cow, the hair on my neck raises to this day when I think about it.
Speaker C:So I went into the pro and asked Carl, I said Carl, what's the names here?
Speaker C:And he explained that they do it in with folds of honor.
Speaker C:And so I said I'm going to do something for Folds of Honor.
Speaker C:And I called Folds of Honor and I said, I'm going to create a charity.
Speaker C:Could I give to you?
Speaker C:And they said, absolutely.
Speaker C:And I was listening to a podcast a couple days later and said, if you want to raise a charity, you need a following.
Speaker C:And I said, guns and Bourbon.
Speaker C:I think they got a pretty big following.
Speaker C:And so I went online.
Speaker C:I knew.
Speaker C:I said, it's got to be a Second Amendment bourbon.
Speaker C:It's got to be.
Speaker C:It wasn't.
Speaker C:And within 15 minutes, I had created the name Second Amendment Bourbon with the dot com and filing the trademark and everything.
Speaker C:And so then talking to other bourbon people, they said, the reason there's not a Second Amendment bourbon, the government gives you a cola.
Speaker C:They have to approve labels on liquor.
Speaker C:They'll never give it to you for Second Amendment.
Speaker C:And I said, well, I'll try.
Speaker C:You know, I knew how to do it because I had a printing business.
Speaker C:We did it for people.
Speaker C:So I sent a cola in.
Speaker C:It usually takes three to four weeks.
Speaker C:A yes or no, three days later, Yes.
Speaker C:I said, oh, my gosh, I got a name, I got a label.
Speaker C:Now I gotta go get bourbon.
Speaker C:And so I took three people with me to Kentucky.
Speaker C:We tried a lot of bourbons, and this bourbon we chose is the only bourbon.
Speaker C:All three agreed that this is a drinking man's bourbon that you can sip and enjoy.
Speaker C:It doesn't burn your throat, it's not too weak.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:It fits all the basis of what they thought a good drinkable bourbon was, sipping bourbon, as they call it.
Speaker C:And so I bought a bunch of barrels and found somebody to bottle it.
Speaker C:Believe it or not, he's known as the Bourbon Rabbi.
Speaker C:He has his own bourbon, and he is an actual rabbi.
Speaker C:And he bottles in Kentucky for me and helps me.
Speaker C:Every state law is different.
Speaker C:So he's getting me through all these state laws, and it's been a real.
Speaker C:It's been really fun.
Speaker C:And also, I've donated or raised over a quarter of a million dollars in two years.
Speaker C:We'll be two years old this month.
Speaker C:And one of the charities I give to or help raise money for is to stop soldier suicide.
Speaker C:And a program called Assist.
Speaker C:Assist is a program that actually is going out to the military bases, DOJ bases, and teaching people how to recognize when somebody's in trouble and try to stop suicide before it happens and why.
Speaker C:It's deep and it means something to my heart.
Speaker C:I had a brother committed suicide.
Speaker C:He was 18 years old.
Speaker C:The night before I was to take the bar exam.
Speaker C:So I know how it affects families.
Speaker C:Not only the person's dead, but it affects families forever.
Speaker C:My mother never got over.
Speaker C:I never got over it.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:It's lingering.
Speaker C:So that's why I'm really helping stop soldier suicide.
Speaker C:And we sponsor a ruck walk in Clearwater, Florida.
Speaker C:A young mother who lost her son, he was a sergeant and the marines committed suicide, wanted to start something to help stop soldier suicide.
Speaker C:And so she started a ruck walk in Clearwater and asked me would I.
Speaker C:This was before I even had bourbon.
Speaker C:She said, I know you're going to start a bourbon company.
Speaker C:Would you donate the seed money?
Speaker C:And we did.
Speaker C:And it has so far raised roughly $125,000 in three years.
Speaker C:We've had three ruck walks, and it's been wonderful.
Speaker C:It's been a lot of fun.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:It's, you know, see the military guys, the marines singing the marine fight song, you know, lined up in their full uniforms with a rucksack.
Speaker C:It's really an impressive scene.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:That's why I started just as a fluke and it's taken off.
Speaker C:I got the idea, you know, bourbon or certain bourbon company has horses on their bourbon.
Speaker C:And I said, well, you know, why can't we put gun companies on the top?
Speaker C:And so that's why I started.
Speaker C:The first bourbon had two bullets that formed the A with a bridge.
Speaker C:And now we're going with Smith and Wesson.
Speaker C:They've been graciously, unbelievably gracious to let us have their licenses to put their name on the case, the Smith and Wesson logo on the top free.
Speaker C:Because what we do.
Speaker C:And they are very supportive.
Speaker C:They've been extremely assortive.
Speaker C:Because I had a lot of gun companies.
Speaker C:I went to shot show two years ago and pitched this to a lot of them.
Speaker C:And a lot of them said, we want percentages.
Speaker C:But now I'm having gun companies.
Speaker C:In fact, I had one reach out yesterday.
Speaker C:They want to be in line because we want to change every 20,000 cases and make it a collectible, the army and make a little thing where you can put the toppers around something that looks like a. I found out from Remington it's not a revolver, it's a wheel gun.
Speaker C:You know, the cylinder from a wheel gun where you can put your tops around it and put it up on your bar.
Speaker C:So it's taken off.
Speaker C:And it's really been fun.
Speaker C:And I think we're doing good for people and helping they're not the only two people.
Speaker C:We are donating every day.
Speaker C:I donated.
Speaker C:I donate and help sponsor for a mmia.
Speaker C:Military Missions in Action in North Carolina, Rocky Mountain, Elk Foundation, I mean, all kinds of junior colleges that have gunsmithing classes.
Speaker C:We've been donating to them to help them keep the classes going.
Speaker C:So, you know, we just, we're spreading it out and doing what we can.
Speaker B:No, I applaud you for everything you do.
Speaker B:You've been a great supporter of GOA since we talked to two years ago.
Speaker B:Most people, when they start a.
Speaker B:A bourbon company and a lot of people have.
Speaker B:Have done it over the last couple years, they go to.
Speaker B:There's a big place in Indiana.
Speaker B:Everybody knows who it is.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:You went directly to Kentucky and found somebody.
Speaker B:What made you go.
Speaker B:Instead of going to the.
Speaker B:The big distiller in Indiana, what made you go straight to Kentucky to pick the bourbon?
Speaker C:I wanted proper bourbon, as I call it, as they call it, and Kentucky's where it's at.
Speaker C:And I, I know about this company and I know people that buy from them.
Speaker C:A lot of people.
Speaker C:I just, I wanted.
Speaker C:I know I'm paying more, but I wanted the real deal Kentucky bourbon.
Speaker C:And that's why I did it.
Speaker C:It's real funny story.
Speaker C:When I went to Total Wines in Florida, to get in Total Wines, they required a tasting and they brought in five people from Total Wines to taste my bourbon.
Speaker C:And when I walk in the door with the bourbon and the gun case, walk in, he said, I just want to tell you right now, if it's from that company, turn around.
Speaker C:We don't need any more of that.
Speaker C:I said, no, this is real Kentucky Bourbon.
Speaker C:He said, come on in.
Speaker C:I got, I can't remember.
Speaker C:It was either five or seven.
Speaker C:I got whatever the number was, thumbs up.
Speaker C:So it is in Total Wines in Florida.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker B:So you, you've.
Speaker B:We've got the case in front of us with Smith and Wesson and we know who the pony is.
Speaker B:You decide to do this, you're building this out and you've gotten some good reception.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:Were you nervous when you went up to him and were like, hey, this is my idea.
Speaker B:Did you.
Speaker B:How'd that come up?
Speaker C:No, you know, hey, I've tried cases representing murderers beside me.
Speaker C:I don't get nerv.
Speaker C:I guess I do.
Speaker C:But no, I didn't.
Speaker C:I just said, look, either do it or not.
Speaker C:And now I have gun companies lining up.
Speaker C:I mean, I really do.
Speaker C:I'm not making this up.
Speaker C:And I can't say who number two is, but it's a pretty big company, you know.
Speaker C:So I've got, I've got, I've got enough lined up probably for my lifetime.
Speaker C:And we're good.
Speaker C:We're just going to keep it 20,000 cases, that's it.
Speaker C:And we're not going to do any more of that gun top.
Speaker C:That was my understanding with Smith and Wesson and I'm going to keep, keep my word on it.
Speaker A:I think that's really a really cool thing for the gun companies to get celebrated in another way.
Speaker A:Plus, you know, I think we all enjoy the, the hobby of, of collecting something that's memorable and I think that it helps charities be able to raise more money if they've got those exclusive bottles which really seem to go down to the core of what two way bourbon is.
Speaker C:Well, like I just gave a bottle to.
Speaker C:It's called the Doorway to Hope.
Speaker C:In Raleigh, North Carolina, they have a big event at the Angus Barn, which is a very famous restaurant in Raleigh.
Speaker C:They have about 300 people there and I think they raised $400,000 this year.
Speaker C:They help families, working families that are struggling, you know, just helping ends meet for working families.
Speaker C:And I gave a bottle to them, did last year and this year the bottle went for $825.
Speaker C:So they raised $825 on my bottle.
Speaker C:That sells for $114 in the liquor store now of the 114.
Speaker C:The dirty little secret in the liquor business is I don't give it half the state.
Speaker C:The feds all, everybody else gets the other half.
Speaker C:And so, you know, it's not a lot of margin.
Speaker C:But I've not taken a penny from 2a.
Speaker C:I'm giving it all back.
Speaker C:And I have one employee who's also, he helped me create it.
Speaker C:He was in the liquor business for many, many years and knew more about liquor than I did and helped me kind of get into the states and stuff.
Speaker C:And he's the only paid employee and everybody else, I have two guys that help me in Durham that do a lot of bottling, do my social media stuff.
Speaker C:Brad, you've met Brad and Joe.
Speaker C:And so I have a great team and three out of four doing it for the love of it and the fourth one's doing it for love of it.
Speaker C:But he's doing.
Speaker C:We need him full time to travel around the States.
Speaker C:In fact, he's in Florida.
Speaker C:We're having a big event tonight to raise a bunch of money for a military charity down in, I'm not sure, somewhere in Florida, but he's, he just, I talked to him this morning.
Speaker C:He's already down there.
Speaker C:They're expecting to sell about 150 of the cases.
Speaker A:Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Speaking of that, if somebody wants to get your bourbon, what is the best way to go about it?
Speaker C:Where are you located in North Carolina?
Speaker C:We're in North Carolina.
Speaker C:Abc, we're in Tennessee, in the liquor stores.
Speaker C:We're in Oklahoma, we're in Louisiana, we're in Florida.
Speaker C:But most of my bourbon is sitting in Florida because they can ship to the Internet to 44 states.
Speaker C:So2Aburbon.com see if your state you can do it out.
Speaker C:One of the few states is North Carolina.
Speaker C:That's why I'm in North Carolina.
Speaker C:I think maybe Utah, maybe West Virginia, Missouri.
Speaker C:I don't know all of them, but it's six that you can't ship to.
Speaker C:But they'll ship to 44 states and it's been really wonderful.
Speaker C:It's a great gift.
Speaker C:If you got somebody in the military, kids and all, it's wonderful.
Speaker C:At least I think it is.
Speaker B:And then if they can't get it shipped to them, what's the best course to get it in their hands?
Speaker B:Just go to the liquor store and ask for it.
Speaker C:Yeah, in those states.
Speaker C:Now we're getting ready to go into Georgia, South Carolina and Texas.
Speaker B:That's a lot of brewing and a lot of stuff.
Speaker C:Yeah, I know.
Speaker C:I have, you know, you have to crawl before you run.
Speaker C:I wished I had millions of dollars to throw at it because I could flood the market with it and it'd really be a huge.
Speaker C:I could have more money to donate.
Speaker C:But it's just, I'm doing what I can.
Speaker C:But you know, it's interesting.
Speaker C:In Texas, the 800 pound Gorilla Liquor Company in Texas, which I will not name, refuses to put it in because it has something to do with guns.
Speaker C:Honestly.
Speaker C:I went and met with them.
Speaker C:The manager, the guard at the door said, can I have the first case?
Speaker C:And the manager loved it.
Speaker C:The salespeople, they loved the idea.
Speaker C:The woman that owns it, her and her father said, we don't have anything to do with guns.
Speaker C:And I said, in Texas you can wear a gun on your forehead.
Speaker C:And they said, yep, but we're not going to sell anything that has guns.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:And they're the 800 pound gorilla in Texas.
Speaker B:Jeez.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I mean, it floored me to no end.
Speaker C:But you know, people have a right, it's their business, they can do what they want to.
Speaker C:But they're, they're not.
Speaker C:I don't think they're serving their clientele.
Speaker A:Wow, that's.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker A:And I do want to kind of shift gears just slightly into more of the advocacy that you do.
Speaker A:I know you're wearing the I plead the, the.
Speaker A:The second.
Speaker A:And so kind of walk us through a little bit of why not only have you chosen to go and support the military, but why the Second Amendment is such a key piece for your business.
Speaker C:I grew up.
Speaker C:I'm an educated redneck, as I tell people.
Speaker C:I was a hunter all my life.
Speaker C:You know, when I went to high school, I had a gun and a gun rack in the back of my pickup truck.
Speaker C:And after school we'd go bird hunting.
Speaker C:Now there are no birds and now you can't carry a gun.
Speaker C:So I don't know what the problem is.
Speaker C:But, you know, we just.
Speaker C:The reason I support GOA and Second Amendment foundation so hard.
Speaker C:As a lawyer, it is my deep opinion I could be wrong, but I think I'm right.
Speaker C:That somebody like Elon Musk, who's going to be the first trillionaire, remember he was a Democrat at one time, now he's a Republican.
Speaker C:Suppose he wakes up tomorrow morning and says, I don't want guns in America.
Speaker C:You say it'll never happen.
Speaker C:Well, don't say never.
Speaker C:If somebody is rich as him, in my opinion, Congress is for sale.
Speaker C:And if somebody like him with a trillion dollars goes to these legislators and offers them so much money and I don't think it'd take a lot, guns would be outlawed in this country.
Speaker C:And the people that.
Speaker C:The only people that can stop it are the courts and GOA and Second Amendment foundation are the people in there slugging it out, keeping the rights.
Speaker C:So that's why I give.
Speaker C:That's why Second Amendment.
Speaker C:And now GOA is involved in my.
Speaker C:What I'm doing because I'm convinced it's going to happen at some point.
Speaker C:It's going to happen.
Speaker C:You know, we saw Bloomberg try to do it a little bit, but he didn't have enough money.
Speaker C:But a man with a trillion dollars, I mean, you know, y' all might think I'm crazy, but I'm just telling you, you know, I've seen things that I never believed and I think that we could have somebody that could buy Congress off and get the basically guns outlawed where the only way you could have a gun is in your own home or something.
Speaker C:I mean, just something that crazy.
Speaker C:So that's why I'm doing it.
Speaker C:John, you don't look like you agree with me.
Speaker B:No, I'm, you're absolutely right.
Speaker B:I mean we've never seen somebody do it, but we've seen the anti gunners use a number of different tactics to go after us.
Speaker B:They've, they've supported anti gun senators and congressmen and money talks, you know, you hope, you hope that are the people who serve us as elected officials serve the people, but money talks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think that it all goes down to the, the realities.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The only thing that politicians fear is losing power.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:And so, and money keeps them in power.
Speaker A:Oftentimes it does.
Speaker A:And that's why it's, it's very vitally important that we stay consistently engaged, that we.
Speaker A:You know, I would love for, you know, GOA not to have to fundraise all the time.
Speaker A:It's a lot of work, but it's a requirement.
Speaker A:Lawsuits are incredibly expensive.
Speaker A:You're a lawyer, you, you understand that.
Speaker A:I know, but also, you know, just the, the amount of, of staff required to read every bill to, to lobby Congress to educate a population on what is going on.
Speaker A:Providing podcasts like this and others, it's so vitally important because we have to be able to ensure that we the people still ultimately have that power.
Speaker A:And it takes companies like yours, supporting missions to, to ensure that it's, that Congress isn't auctioned off to the highest bidder and that we are able to have community education and communication so that someone like Elon Musk can switch parties because of what he sees going on.
Speaker A:Do I think that he is.
Speaker A:You know, I was just using.
Speaker C:Yeah, I was using him just as an example.
Speaker C:Oh, and he won't be the way the economy is.
Speaker C:He won't be the only trillionaire.
Speaker C:I mean, we become an oligarchy without realizing it.
Speaker C:I mean, our billionaires run this company.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't know if it's a true fact, but about 80% of everything you touch.
Speaker C:Five companies control it in this country every day, which, you know.
Speaker C:So we're going to have other trillionaires.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:But I think it's important that we are conscious and aware of those facts so that we can take the power back to the citizenry.
Speaker A:And I think that's what a lot of what you are doing is empowering, is supporting organizations so they can educate against the mainstream media so that they can get, get results.
Speaker A:Because people only care about a lawsuit if they hear about it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I hate to be like that, but that's the reality.
Speaker C:Well, you know, we're Sponsoring the breakfast Saturday, I guess it's next Saturday and Salt Lake City for the gun, gun policy meeting they're having.
Speaker C:And I hope some good stuff comes out of that because we've got to stay one step ahead 100% and that's what y' all are doing.
Speaker C:That's what Second Amendment doing.
Speaker C:Assume NRA.
Speaker C:I'm not, I'm not participating, helping NRA right now, but we're looking at something.
Speaker C:So it's just, you know, thank goodness there are groups out there because I don't know who said it.
Speaker C:I wish I'd have thought about it and said it first, but you know, I'm paraphrasing.
Speaker C:But the rights to bear arm preserves all the other rights.
Speaker C:And that's key because if we've looked at history and societies and people that aren't armed, we know it can happen.
Speaker B:Well, I mean our founders were very smart people.
Speaker B:And to go the first, the first Amendment is the freedom to speech very, the very next amendment is the freedom to protect that speech and protect everything in between.
Speaker B:You know, if, if, if, if it wasn't that important to them, they wouldn't have made it.
Speaker B:Number two.
Speaker C:Number two.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I, I, I agree.
Speaker A:And I think that so often we as a society, at least those that are on the pro gun side, have taken for granted almost the basic common knowledge of where our rights come from.
Speaker A:I think that there was an expectation for a long time that everyone at least could agree that we have these unalienable rights.
Speaker A:They were in the Constitution, they are in the Declaration of Independence, they are in all of the supporting documents.
Speaker A:And I think that for a lot of people it was okay.
Speaker A:Well, we just have different viewpoints on things.
Speaker A:But then you have someone like Senator Tim Kaine, who was almost Vice President of the United States, get up in the Senate and say that your rights are not inalienable, that they come from government and that it's concerning if someone would say that you do have God given rights or natural rights or whatever version of the verbiage that you want to use.
Speaker A:And I think that that is a significant wake up call for every individual to really look at the education system and to really look at what are we teaching our children, what are we, what do we ourselves understand from our founding and what educational gaps not should be repaired, but must be repaired in order for us to live in a free society.
Speaker B:To go out and say something like that, I mean, hey, go down the road, there's this place and it's got this, this document sitting There.
Speaker B:Why don't you go read it and maybe you'll learn something.
Speaker A:It's on your phone too.
Speaker A:Like it's Google.
Speaker A:Like seriously, like the thing about it.
Speaker C:Is it's like it's on the back of my bottle of bourbon.
Speaker B:Yes, grab his bourbon.
Speaker C:Read it and drink it.
Speaker C:And read it.
Speaker B:Drink it and read it.
Speaker B:Maybe it'll burn into your memory a little bit.
Speaker A:It's insane to me though that we're to a point where a senator can be elected and reelected and tapped for the vice presidential nomination and have no concept of our founding.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker C:Well, they, like I said, I'm convinced somebody some way is going to have enough money and try to go after gun rights.
Speaker C:I'm convinced of it.
Speaker C:And it might.
Speaker C:It's no conspiracy.
Speaker C:It's going to happen.
Speaker A:Well, I think you're.
Speaker C:We see it every day, but nobody has enough money to buy Congress the way they need to do.
Speaker A:No, and, and that's.
Speaker A:I, I think that there are gun control groups.
Speaker A:We did a one in the chamber about a year ago now.
Speaker A:I would say.
Speaker A:It's on the YouTube channel.
Speaker A:I highly recommend that you guys go and look at it.
Speaker A:But it talks about where the money comes from.
Speaker A:On the left for the Everytown, for gun safety, for the moms, Demand actions, for Giffords, for all of these anti gun groups.
Speaker A:And it's not a grassroots funded organization.
Speaker A:It's not like GOA where the average donation is an annual membership.
Speaker A:And so it's, it's a completely different viewpoint.
Speaker A:And they really have prided themselves on the ability to impact politics from the level of the elite.
Speaker A:And GOA and those on the, on the pro gun side, we understand that it's an individual freedom and we're very individualistic and it's all at the grassroots level.
Speaker C:What do you know what percentage?
Speaker C:I've seen many numbers and I'm not sure which one's correct.
Speaker C:Of gun ownership in this country is.
Speaker B:Percentage.
Speaker B:The last number I saw there was 673 million guns.
Speaker C:No, not guns, but people that actually have guns in their home.
Speaker C:Percentage.
Speaker C:I've heard 76%.
Speaker C:I don't know if that's correct.
Speaker A:You know, I actually don't know that I, I don't know if I don't.
Speaker C:But guess, guess what, Guess where is the number one per capita registered guns now?
Speaker C:So we can leave Texas out of it.
Speaker C:Registered guns.
Speaker C:Guess where the number one place for registered guns is?
Speaker A:Where?
Speaker C:D.C. i think Louisiana was number two.
Speaker C:But it's registered guns.
Speaker C:So it's Kind of.
Speaker C:You know, D.C. is probably a lot stricter than most states about registering guns, but that's the number one place that has registered guns per capita is D.C. yeah.
Speaker A:It's almost impossible to get your concealed carry permit in DC.
Speaker B:Yeah, there was a big fight on it.
Speaker B:Go look up the Heller fight, please.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:The whole court case about it, which.
Speaker A:Why D.C. v. Heller.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah, we were part of that case.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:I thought y' all won that case.
Speaker A:We did, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Because my sister in law and her, her, her husband, they live in D.C. and they also own.
Speaker C:Own farms in West Virginia.
Speaker C:So they have guns.
Speaker C:And I know at one time it was.
Speaker C:You couldn't even have a gun there or something.
Speaker C:It was pretty.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Before the Heller decision, they just kept adding more and more gun control.
Speaker A:At one point, I don't even think the gun in your home, if you had one, could be assembled.
Speaker B:Do you know the, the place where, well, our country wasn't founded in D.C. where the heart of our government is, has the strictest gun control.
Speaker B:That just makes me laugh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I, I want.
Speaker A:We're getting this signal.
Speaker A:So we're, we're going to go to our, our one thing before we go to there.
Speaker B:So we've talked a ton about the bourbon and we've got one behind us.
Speaker B:But can we open this and, and show this off for a second?
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Please do.
Speaker B:Because I want to, I want to show this off for a sec because you.
Speaker B:We talked about the back of the bottle.
Speaker B:We talked about the c. The case head.
Speaker A:This is the Smith and Wesson R.
Speaker B:This is Smith and Wesson.
Speaker A:So for those not watching on.
Speaker A:So we've got on video.
Speaker B:We'll go through this out.
Speaker B:So we've got our Smith and Wesson logo topper here.
Speaker B:And that's pretty cool.
Speaker B:Check that out.
Speaker A:What is this the topper made out of?
Speaker C:It's zinc.
Speaker A:Zinc.
Speaker C:100% Zinc.
Speaker C:Weighs 4 ounces.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hopefully you can see it because we've.
Speaker B:Talked a lot about it.
Speaker B:I want to show it off a little bit.
Speaker C:And here's the five year Smith and Wesson.
Speaker B:And then on the back we have the second amendment trade.
Speaker B:You real quick.
Speaker B:I wanted to show this off real fast.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And then it's listed on the bottle as well.
Speaker A:For those that are not able to see who are listening on the audio version of this, it's got Smith and Wesson on the bottle as well.
Speaker A:Not just the topper.
Speaker C:And the case.
Speaker A:And the case.
Speaker A:So it's a whole setup.
Speaker A:How Long Are these available for.
Speaker C:For 20, 000 bottles for 20 that.
Speaker A:So they've started the cell.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Tennessee's bottle a lot.
Speaker C:North Carolina, Florida.
Speaker C:We shipped Oklahoma and so it's, it's out there.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker B:Turn that like that and put the.
Speaker C:And the name of my.
Speaker C:Let me just give a little shout out the name of the company in Florida because obviously I can't sell it, my distributor can't sell it but a third party can.
Speaker C:And if you go to our website a lot of people email me say is this a scam?
Speaker C:It's called Give them Beer.
Speaker C:It's really.
Speaker C:That's the name of the company but it's called Give them Beer.
Speaker C:And the lady that runs it's just wonderful and very supportive.
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Speaker A:All right, so it's time for our segment from the Soapbox.
Speaker A:It is the time where we get to be a little spicier than at other points in the show and give some of our hot takes on what's going on in the world, what is vital for the protection of our rights and really what, what is the main message that we want to convey so oftentimes comes from this segment.
Speaker A:So the floor is yours.
Speaker A:What are your hot takes?
Speaker C:I know this is going to sound like a cop out, okay, I'm a Duke fan but I take great advice from Michael Jordan and You know where I'm going.
Speaker C:Michael Jordan, when asked why he didn't get involved in politics and helped the Democratic Party, he said, republicans buy tennis shoes, too.
Speaker C:I try to stay away from politics because I've got a lot of friends that are Democrats, that own guns, that drink bourbon and believe in the Second Amendment rights.
Speaker C:And I'm a little disturbed that one side or another says this other side stands for this or this, when really we're all American, we all have the same Constitution.
Speaker C:Let's just get along.
Speaker C:And that's my soap opera.
Speaker C:And maybe that's not very.
Speaker C:It might be a cop out, but I just, My mother just taught me, live by the Golden Rule.
Speaker C:Do unto others if you would have them do unto you.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I tend to agree with that as well.
Speaker A:I mean, GOA is a nonpartisan organization.
Speaker A:You just have to love the Second Amendment, right, that we're a single issue group for a reason.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I'll be honest, and this might be an unpopular opinion, but the first person that ever taught me how to shoot a gun was my uncle.
Speaker A:And up until very recently, he would have absolutely thrown a temper tantrum if you would have even considered him to be on the right side of the aisle.
Speaker A:And so I think that you're right.
Speaker A:Guns can be that universal piece, and we just have to defend them and defend them well.
Speaker A:We spend a lot of time on this podcast and particularly talking about building an on ramp for the Second Amendment, getting more people involved in the fight, getting more people engaged in protecting the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:And I think that so oftentimes, if you try to play party politics with something that is a fundamental right, you'll end up losing it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And another thing, my mother was a very wise woman and she said, and a lot of people, she didn't make it up, I'm sure, but she said that, you know, we're all.
Speaker C:It's like a bird.
Speaker C:The Second Amendment is like a bird.
Speaker C:It takes a right wing and a left wing to fly.
Speaker C:And that's what we've got to remember, at least in my opinion.
Speaker C:We've got to remember everybody's got to be involved.
Speaker C:You can't hate the left wing.
Speaker C:You know, another thing she said, you cut your nose off and spite your face.
Speaker C:That's what we're doing when we, when we alie, alienate people on the.
Speaker C:That don't believe the way we do.
Speaker C:We've just got to discuss things, get along and all agree that America is the greatest country in the world.
Speaker C:And one of the reasons Is our Constitution.
Speaker C:I know might be a little deep.
Speaker B:No, no, I love that because we talk a lot about building a second amendment community and we don't all have to agree on the same things.
Speaker B:But if we agree that the second amendment is a God given right that is granted to us, that we have the right to keep and bear arms, that we can all agree on that to build a stronger community, it's.
Speaker B:It is what we need.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We spend too much time.
Speaker B:We've.
Speaker B:We've talked about this before.
Speaker B:We spend too much time focusing on why we hate somebody or I disagree with them so immediately they're no longer my friend.
Speaker B:Where we could just build our community back together.
Speaker B:And we've seen that disappear a lot in.
Speaker B:In the upcoming generations where.
Speaker B:When I was growing up and as when you were growing up and you knew your neighbor, you knew your friend go over to talk to.
Speaker B:I know one neighbor and the other one keeps quiet.
Speaker B:The one across the street I talked to.
Speaker B:But we've lost this sense of building our communities and going back into our communities and supporting our communities and doing that.
Speaker B:And you do a lot of that through your charitable work.
Speaker B:But we need to get back to getting together as a community and having events and hanging out and talking about.
Speaker C:When was the last time we were together as a country?
Speaker B:September 12th.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:2001.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The last time this country really folded together.
Speaker C:Everybody and says we got to defend America.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And that's, you know, and that's a scary thought.
Speaker B:It is to me.
Speaker B:That's a scary thought.
Speaker B:Is that it's something that big would have to draw us back together again.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Is it?
Speaker C:We.
Speaker B:I've talked to a number of people about this.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:Is we as a.
Speaker B:A society, as a community, as.
Speaker B:As a country that we were so together that day.
Speaker B:And it has since, in the 24 years since has fallen apart.
Speaker B:And it scares me to think that we have to go through another tragedy like that just to become.
Speaker B:We don't need that.
Speaker B:We need to come together as a country, as a community and just get.
Speaker B:But again, we're in a society.
Speaker B:Everything.
Speaker B:Everything scares us now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, just, Just think when Covid hit, we could have come together as a country.
Speaker C:I mean that was a dramatic moment.
Speaker C:We lost a million people.
Speaker C:I had.
Speaker C:It almost died.
Speaker C:But it broke us apart more.
Speaker C:It was weird.
Speaker C:I mean a tragedy that fitted the whole world, broke us apart.
Speaker C:If you did vaccine, no vaccine, whatever, you know, it just.
Speaker C:I don't know, it just.
Speaker C:Why that broke the country even more is Amazing to me.
Speaker B:How do I want to put this so I don't get in trouble?
Speaker B:I think there wasn't.
Speaker B:It wasn't a come together moment.
Speaker B:It was a dividing moment.
Speaker C:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:It was a very big dividing moment because now I'm gonna phase this into two parts.
Speaker B:It was a dividing moment because we had, you know, the Novaxers, the Axers, the mask, the no mask, the push.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But the other thing that brought us together is that a lot of people open their minds to the Second Amendment.
Speaker B:We saw a large growth in the Second Amendment because people saw they couldn't.
Speaker B:What was the number?
Speaker B:72.
Speaker B:7 Million new gun owners.
Speaker B:Something like that.
Speaker A:It was, it was the fastest growing.
Speaker C:I didn't realize.
Speaker A:Yeah, record numbers breaking in the next system and, you know, the Second Amendment had to be considered essential.
Speaker A:It was a really weird time.
Speaker A:I think the, the differences between those two events specifically is media, social media.
Speaker C:Let me just tell you, social media is probably the death of this country.
Speaker C:I mean, it could, you know, for the worst.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker C:I think that that's why we knew our neighbors.
Speaker C:We didn't go on Facebook and meet them.
Speaker C:We actually walked over there and met them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think that that's why you've seen such brazen reactions to the political violence and the assassination of Charlie Kirk and overreaction.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, he's just.
Speaker A:It's all over when somebody is celebrating political violence.
Speaker A:That's insanity.
Speaker C:Total insanity.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:We, we need to just come together and I don't know what the catalyst.
Speaker C:Will be, but I hope it's not a world war.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I, I'm going to transition to another.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:We're getting a little deep here.
Speaker A:So I have, you know, we're looking at right now a two.
Speaker A:A bourbon bottle.
Speaker A:That's excellent.
Speaker A:A product that is amazing, tastes amazing, raises a lot of money for organizations like ours and, and others.
Speaker A:And you know, one of the sponsors of this podcast is Patriot Mobile.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I look at the decisions that I make as a consumer and my hot take is we are becoming more culturally aware of how valuable voting with our dollar is and that we, as people who love our country are now looking to spend our money with like minded people who want to save our veterans, who want to save our second Amendment, who want to continue with the values that have always made this country great.
Speaker A:And that for me is one of the most exciting takes that I've seen.
Speaker A:Really I feel like that has been moving culturally for the last couple years, but it seems like in the last six to eight months it's really increasing in a rate that I really didn't see coming.
Speaker C:I just kind of retrospectively, you know, my father was one of Those people at 17 years of age, lied about his age to join the World war.
Speaker C:And so the world war brought us together.
Speaker C:9, 11 Brought us together.
Speaker C:I just, we got to come together as a nation and honor the Constitution and whatever.
Speaker C:I just hope it doesn't take a third world war.
Speaker C:But maybe something will happen that maybe people will wise up and just say, look, this infighting, and that's what it is, we're all a family and we just got to quit it and get along.
Speaker C:And you have your thoughts, I have my thoughts.
Speaker C:They're your thoughts.
Speaker C:And you have a right to those thoughts.
Speaker C:That's what I would preach, but you know, that's, that's the only preaching I do.
Speaker C:Just let's get along.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:No, I think I agree to go on to your topic.
Speaker B:I think it is, I don't want to put this the best example of us voting with our dollar, I guess besides two a bourbon and, and Patriot Mobile is the, is to change the cracker barrel and flipping it over.
Speaker B:I mean I noticed I got one.
Speaker C:Down here where I'm staying and it's back to the old.
Speaker B:It's back to the old thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I don't know, I think it's as a society, I think there's a huge cultural shift to back to the.
Speaker A:I think what you're getting at is there is a deep desire in our country to have a return to normalcy, to have a return to a non polarizing time.
Speaker A:And I think that we have to be the adults in the room.
Speaker A:We have to be the one that have the tough conversations.
Speaker A:We have to be the ones that support the companies that support us that, that change how the marketplace of ideas is structured.
Speaker A:Because going back in my Rolodex, man, everybody on the podcast gets to watch me buffer for a second.
Speaker A:But it was the court case that Citizens United, where organizations, companies have the same vocal power as an individual.
Speaker A:And you know, we have to have companies that stand in that gap, that have those conversations in the marketplace of ideas and really kind of get back to the vision of America so that we can move forward so that we can have a country that, that isn't divided against itself.
Speaker A:But, but we have to have conscious efforts.
Speaker A:Two way bourbon is one of those conscious efforts.
Speaker A:Patriot Mobile is one of those companies that, that are doing the same thing.
Speaker A:So many of these, you know, blackout coffee, caliber coffee.
Speaker A:There's, there's so many variations of this in the marketplace that says, you know what?
Speaker A:We don't like the fact that that X company is donating to anti gun politics and they're the only voice that's being heard in corporate America.
Speaker A:So we're going to create something so that we can have that, that marketplace of ideas in the corporate sector, in the business sector and on the individual level.
Speaker A:And it takes companies being willing to take on those fights, being willing to stand on their individual principles, and that allows our country to come together because it can't be a shutout in one arena.
Speaker A:We have to be present for a full courts press.
Speaker C:Well, I have a relative through marriage that won't even speak to me now.
Speaker C:He owns guns, but he will not speak to me.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:For through a bourbon and made it very clear.
Speaker C:That's why.
Speaker C:So, you know, I just, you know, I go to the airport with my, I plead the second.
Speaker C:I get a lot of thumbs up, but also get the middle finger.
Speaker C:I'm being real honest with you.
Speaker C:So I see it in real life that we have two different feelings about the Second Amendment.
Speaker C:But hopefully the majority of Americans still feel in gun rights and will support gun rights.
Speaker C:That's my hope.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I got it the other day.
Speaker B:Well, I didn't get the finger.
Speaker B:I got the, the, in the elevator down from the hotel room, I got, Hey, I really like your shirt.
Speaker B:Oh, thanks.
Speaker B:Appreciate it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, but that is, it's vitally important.
Speaker A:It's vitally important that we continue to, to move forward.
Speaker A:You know, as Sam would say, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, I mean, and I'm going to be real honest here.
Speaker C:When I started this, I did not know Gun Owners of America.
Speaker C:I'm just, I didn't know it.
Speaker C:Brad's the one that introduced me to y'.
Speaker C:All and now I became a big fan.
Speaker C:I wished I'd have known about y' all when I started and I would had y' all set up like I do.
Speaker C:Second Amendment.
Speaker C:I knew second Amendment because of some cases, you know, they'd done.
Speaker C:I know Alan Gur, who did the Heller case, and he was a big supporter to a Second Amendment foundation.
Speaker C:And so that's why they were the first one, because I knew of their litigation and I knew that was important.
Speaker C:Now I know y' all and I know it's important and that's why I'm here today.
Speaker C:And I appreciate everything y' all have done for two, a bourbon.
Speaker C:And hopefully we'll do a lot more for y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I appreciate everything you've done for us.
Speaker A:This has been an awesome journey these past two years.
Speaker B:Yeah, it has.
Speaker A:It's been.
Speaker A:I'm looking for us, you know, coming back maybe season two, season three, or we're in season two, I guess season three or season four.
Speaker A:And, you know, talking about the next topper on the bottle and the next.
Speaker C:And hopefully distillery with some really neat.
Speaker C:Obviously, we won't be able to serve live fire with live bourbon.
Speaker C:No insurance company will insure it, by the way.
Speaker C:And so we're looking at maybe a distillery in the very near future with simulation gun ranges.
Speaker C:You know, have a duck hunting room, a long range shooting room, have a military outpost with a 50 caliber on top of a Humvee, you know, all laser.
Speaker C:Because the gun is a company called iCombat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And they actually have guns now that recoil like real guns.
Speaker C:And I just think it would be a hoot.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Just have a good time, Enjoy it.
Speaker B:Well, I want to add a little into this.
Speaker B:You have been to not one, but both goals.
Speaker B:Convention.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:How do you.
Speaker B:How'd you like the show?
Speaker B:What do you.
Speaker C:The first one was underwhelming, but that was yalls first.
Speaker C:This last one was wonderful.
Speaker C:I mean, the growth was incredible in one year.
Speaker C:You know, I mean, I'm just being honest with you.
Speaker C:The first one, I mean, it was great, but you could see that it was rough around the edges.
Speaker C:This last one was precise, really nice, cool.
Speaker C:I mean, it just.
Speaker C:It touched all the bases for what y' all are going to do.
Speaker A:We appreciate that.
Speaker A:Or trying to do, you know, we appreciate that.
Speaker A:I can't wait for everybody to see us out in Iowa.
Speaker A:We've got some plans for the 50th.
Speaker A:That's going to be.
Speaker C:I'll be there.
Speaker C:In fact, I've already contacted.
Speaker C:They've not got me back where we can actually sell our bourbon on the floor.
Speaker C:You know, we couldn't in the convention center in Knoxville, but I reached out to the convention center and Iowa.
Speaker C:My wife actually is from Iowa.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker C:And I've reached out to them and they are supposed to be getting back with me.
Speaker C:I want it in writing before I ship out, you know, four or five hundred cases of bourbon and have to give it back.
Speaker C:But we're working on a distributor out there and also to be able to sell it.
Speaker C:And we would donate the profits from that sale to goa if we can do it.
Speaker C:So it might be a pretty significant contribution if we can.
Speaker A:Well, we appreciate that.
Speaker A:We're also excited to have you guys back for the 50th.
Speaker A:It's going to be fun.
Speaker A:If you haven't, this is my psa.
Speaker A:If you haven't booked your hotel or secured your tickets yet, the links are live.
Speaker A:And do it now.
Speaker A:You will not be disappointed.
Speaker A:We have announcements that are scheduled all the way up until the main event.
Speaker A:And let me tell you, this is going to be a lineup like you've never seen before.
Speaker B:I'm excited for Iowa.
Speaker A:It's going to be a great.
Speaker B:Des Moines is great.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Now, that's where Brownlee's is located.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Brownells is in.
Speaker A:They're in Grinnell.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Iowa, which is not super duper far away, about 45.
Speaker A:But we've got the American 250, the Iowa State Fair all around on the side leading into the week of goals.
Speaker A:And it's going to be a great time to celebrate this country, to celebrate the American 250 to celebrate our 50th anniversary.
Speaker A:Not many organizations and what we need.
Speaker C:To do is do a barrel pick for GOA for you.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Seriously.
Speaker B:I know a guy who can make it happen.
Speaker C:Yeah, I happen to know somebody, too.
Speaker C:And I know, and I know somebody can print the label.
Speaker A:Well, we're excited.
Speaker B:Excited.
Speaker B:I'm excited for Iowa.
Speaker B:I'm excited to have you back.
Speaker B:I'm excited for the.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:You and I talked about this when we first talked and I was excited then.
Speaker B:Now I'm even more excited seeing that the first one has come up with Smith and Wesson and.
Speaker B:And all the other companies in between.
Speaker C:It's amazing.
Speaker C:I'm not going to say which gun companies, but some of the gun companies were excited about it, but they wanted a percentage of the profit.
Speaker C:Smith and Wesson says we don't want to be in the revenue stream.
Speaker C:We want to help you to help the Second Amendment.
Speaker C:I mean, it's beyond belief that the president of Smith and Wesson said okay.
Speaker C:To a little guy like me producing a little bourbon, it's overwhelming for me.
Speaker C:People can't believe it.
Speaker C:They, they tell me, how in the world did you get Smith and Wesson?
Speaker C:What did it cost you?
Speaker C:Nothing.
Speaker B:Well, we are getting the wrap up sign and both of us kind of want to try some bourbon.
Speaker B:So anyways, guys, make sure to, like, share and subscribe.
Speaker B:Hit the well before we go.
Speaker B:Tim, anything else you want to say?
Speaker C:Just thank y' all for having me you know, and just, you know, you know, keep up the good work.
Speaker A:So where can people find you on social media and on your website?
Speaker C:Well, we just.
Speaker C:I've got to get more involved in that.
Speaker C:I have an Instagram 2aburban.
Speaker C:We just started not too long ago.
Speaker C:It's growing.
Speaker C:We're going to do Facebook and TikTok.
Speaker C:We just hadn't got around to it yet because we've been so busy.
Speaker C:But you can find it2aburbon.com the website.
Speaker B:And before I forget, Tim, as a thank you for being on the show, AAC and Palmetto State Armory have our guests a gift for our guests.
Speaker B:So you'll be receiving a gift card from PSA and AAC Ammo after the show's over.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:So good gift for the guest for that.
Speaker A:So thank you everybody.
Speaker A:Thank you for watching this week's episode.
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Speaker A: iversary celebration at Goals: Speaker A:You will not want to miss out, I promise you.
Speaker A:And we'll see you next week.
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