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30 - Practicing Kinetic Energy Recovery
Episode 30 • 8th November 2022 • Parts Department • Justin Brouillette & Jem Freeman
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Jem Freeman

Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia

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Justin Brouillette

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Cheers.

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How are you feeling?

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Good morning, Justin.

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I'm okay.

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That's good.

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yeah.

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Been a little bit under the weather this week, but not too

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bad today, back at work, so, yeah.

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Yeah.

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that's good.

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Yeah.

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How are you?

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Better?

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I think better.

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Last week was pretty stressful.

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This week's better.

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Less stressful.

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I think.

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we should clap real quick.

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Yeah, let's do that.

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3, 2, 1.

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Spike,

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Spike,

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Mill update is, I have been using it, It sounds fine.

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Aside from my weird measurement remeasuring, all the tools seems

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to be the only thing that was really off, which is, shocking.

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theory on Discord was that, A coupler of the Z potentially just moved a little bit,

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Yep.

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which I barely understand, but I I sure that makes sense to me.

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I'm, mostly fine.

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They update.

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otherwise would be if you have as I PSA last time, they have now fixed that Fanic

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and met Sarah and all those other posts so you can download it and re-set up yours.

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I also believe, especially because of this, I will never

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stream a post from Fusion.

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I know everything's cloud based and they're kind of pushing that, but I'm

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not gonna allow it to stream my post.

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I wanna know what's changing.

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I don't know about post streaming.

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Is that what it sounds like?

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think it just kind of constantly updates in the background on its own.

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and I don't like that idea.

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No

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and I

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perhaps.

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had a couple other people with that know have more experience for saying the same.

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And so maybe an idea for some, not for me, I'm not doing that.

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But yeah, Panos helped me out over the weekend.

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Didn't have to do it, but.

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Offered to reset up my post.

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So thanks Nick.

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It's also got a few new features in it, which is kind of cool.

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I can now like change where the table ends up, which is great.

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It doesn't go into a back corner anymore.

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He added that little feature for me.

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So, it's been great.

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I made some parts.

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I had my palette was kind of messed up.

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I had.

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Little floor stock to leave on where the vertical parts go in.

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And that couple thou made it so that the parts didn't sit in their square.

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And so I had to like take it apart and re machine that with a new en mo.

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And now it that's great.

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We did the whole first one and done operation at the end of the day yesterday.

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So today I'm going to be running those parts all day, hopefully, and.

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Awesome.

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Much better results than last week.

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Yeah.

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Oh good.

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I'm glad that, you recovered from that.

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Me too.

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Geez.

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Could have ended very differently.

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Imagine.

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Yeah, I, I was thinking about that on the way in today too.

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I still have this kind of continual thought of like, what if it wasn't, What

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if it was 10 grand, 15 grand to replace a spindle and it wasn't my, It wasn't

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our fault, it was the software post.

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Like where do I go with that?

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Like kind of a salty relationship situation with Fusion, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Cuz like all those posts are effectively free.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Which I think is kind of a new thing.

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I don't know well enough, but I think that they're offering them and

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you're not creating your own post.

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Somewhat of a new thing that often you have to get it from

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like your service provider or it's not the software providing it.

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I don't, I don't think, I don't know.

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Maybe I'm wrong on that, but Makes me question it.

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Never really thought about it before.

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Yeah, . Hopefully you don't have to think about it for a while.

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Yeah.

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No kidding.

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Hmm.

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Cool.

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Awesome.

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Well off into production land.

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Great.

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right?

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Yeah, no kidding.

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Does what, What are the updates on the new products then?

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Just chipping away.

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next week I will be, which I, I don't wanna continue to say this, but,

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and not do it, but assuming nothing else goes wrong I should have all

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the parts I need mated, and the, the real kind of caveat will be.

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I wanna make a video.

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I think it's gonna take a video to kind of describe it.

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Been a much better week since we talked last time for me.

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How about you?

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Very good.

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Well, it sounds like we both had a meltdown on Thursday night.

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Oh God.

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also, I also fell in a hole.

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Also a series of events.

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I think I mentioned on the podcast last week that I was doing some

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modifications to the office

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Yeah.

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and wanting to make it a bit more functional

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Yeah.

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private.

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And just nicer for people who spend a lot of time in it.

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And so I, I'd sort of hinted a few things on Slack that I was working on a little

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office pod pro like prototype design.

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And during the week, and then on Thursday at the staff meeting, I

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sort of showed people the floor plan of what I was thinking

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and ask, you know, ask for sort of quick feedback within the meeting.

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And then, Was planning to spend sort of the weekend for as much time as I could

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spare on the weekend, sort of coming into the workshop and sort of building

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this concept or prototyping it Anyway.

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To, to their credit, at the end of the day, a couple of staff and like,

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I suspect quite a few of them were like where, But can we just have a

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bit more time to think about this?

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Maybe don't, don't build this like this weekend we don't feel

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like we've had enough input

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Oh yeah, sure.

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which is totally fair enough.

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Cuz I had just, you know, I was doing the classic jam, Oh hey Hunter

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Hunter is knocking over my vacuum.

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Got her ball though.

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Sorry.

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I was doing the classic gem thing of like keeping it close to my chest and

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like, we don't have time or budget to be working on this on the clock.

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I'll just smash it out over the weekend

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Yeah.

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trying to make it better for people, blah, blah blah.

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Like, and so, you know, when they sort of propose this alternative direction,

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it really sent me for a bit of a spin on Thursday night, cuz I It wasn't so much

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about the fact that they'd said no or that I couldn't make the desks that weekend.

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It was sort of, it brought, kind of really brought it home like a number

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of things that have sort of made me aware of my, sort of in all my

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delegation, giving people these roles and responsibilities and the key as

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key sort of quadrants of the business.

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just really made me aware of sort of my lack or the, I'm not gonna say total

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lack, but like the less agency I have of like, whether it's deciding what

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we're gonna buy and when we're gonna buy it, or what we're gonna quote,

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or how we do things in production.

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All those elements which are really positive changes.

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But like I'm, I'm struggling with that lack.

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Decision making.

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And so yeah, I had a pretty rough night and Thursday night kind of just

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yeah, I suppose reflecting on that and just, you know, I think I said last

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week on the podcast, I'm something to the effect of like, yeah, I'm

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pretty useless now and it's great.

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And then thinking about that later, I'm like, it's not great.

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Like, I don't feel great about that a lot of the time.

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And, but I have a sense that I should feel great about that.

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So that's been an interesting challenge to try and digest over the last few days.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Is it?

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Was it If I had to like back, not that it matters, I suppose, but

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probably in that, in your process.

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The last however many years of running a business that whenever

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you're kind of, ready to roll into making something, you just can do it.

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And it doesn't necessarily need a second opinion.

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And it's not even about probably that.

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It's about that that was your new project and you felt you were doing

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your old mental process of like, Yep, we're gonna get this done.

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But then it struck the cord of like, Oh wait.

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Yeah, So that project I thought, I.

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I don't have that anymore to, to attach to and to fulfill and

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Yeah.

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I could see how that yeah.

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Would be striking.

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a part of it, part of it is about fulfillment and feeling productive and.

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Useful.

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You know, like, I'm contributing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So having that sort of shut down and very, you know, very validly shut down, I think,

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but still having that shut down just Yeah.

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Really struck a, struck a chord.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I feel that.

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I'm sorry.

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yeah.

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Yep.

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No, no.

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That's why we're here.

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Otherwise, pretty weird week.

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Got sick had a public holiday, so really only had a couple of

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days of work and I've just felt.

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Well and truly behind Josh's finishing up his semester at uni, so

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he's less available at the moment.

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So I've been covering his fusion detailing or a big chunk of fusion detailing.

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And also just cuz of how slow sales have been this last month, I've

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sort of been jumping on a little bit more on the quoting bandwagon

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to just try and help Aaron.

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Lift our sales for October.

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So yeah, kind of feeling behind and scattered, spread too thin,

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Yeah.

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doing a very good job of what I think I'm supposed to be doing,

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which is leading this business.

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So yeah, challenging week, all round,

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Yeah,

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I'll try, try and reset and crack on.

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sure.

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That's not, I mean, I don't think it, these kind of like lessons, you can't

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just like slap yourself and say buck up and you know, just do it cuz it's

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like, I feel like we're pretty, pretty similar in that like we're driven.

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Like a passion or some desire to work on.

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something in some fashion.

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So when you're not passionate about it, I mean, I'm not passionate about it.

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I, I procrastinate, first of all.

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I like don't work on it.

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I put it off till the end.

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I'm usually not very, like if it's just a repeated string of things I don't like

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to work on, it probably affects my mood pretty strongly and I get terse and.

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Probably make mistakes.

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So I, I don't know.

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I don't know how you can just, at least you have the business coach that maybe

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has some more insight than I do, but it feels, feels like you've gotta find

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something that is yours that I keep coming back to the, like in that NY C N C tour

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he talks to, I don't remember his name.

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His handle on Instagram is inventor captain, which is the owner,

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co-owner, co-founder of now Penta.

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I think about him a lot with you and maybe that's like, also my dream position

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is he used to be like the CEO and he is like, I don't wanna do that anymore.

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I'm just gonna make stuff.

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And he like started working on his new project is making the five

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access mill, you know, their new one.

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So it's.

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That's my dream scenario.

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If I can get to there, have people to make the decisions that are hard

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and I don't understand as well as I should, and and then I get do what

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I feel passionate about, is like potentially making something good and.

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Yeah, yeah, totally.

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I can relate to that.

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And yeah, I think, I think.

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Couple of factors, but I think because I have been spreading myself a bit

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too thin, what I thought I was sinking my teeth into in terms of sort of

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creating product videos and pushing that side of the, which is work I

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enjoy and can get passionate about.

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I think cuz I, yeah, I've been doing too many disparate things.

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I feel like I'm not doing very well at any of them.

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And therefore like,

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Yeah.

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The passion level drops off for all of it.

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So

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I was gonna say, I feel like I'm pretty good on that, like what you're saying.

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Handling a lot of different things, juggling a lot of things.

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And then when I think the number for me is when three things go.

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wrong, pretty close together, I have a pretty strong.

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I get real frustrated.

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Like, it's like I, there's like this, it's three or four, I don't

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know what it is, but it's like we can juggle all these things.

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I can do the shipping, that's fine.

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You know, like customer support, but it's, I hit three problems

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in a row and I'm like, Ooh.

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And I'm sure other people are like that, but it like really throws me for

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Yep.

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Well, they compound on each other too.

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I reckon.

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Mm-hmm.

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Once one thing starts stacking on top of another problem and then you get

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that magic third, it's like still much

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I'm done.

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too much for our little brains walking away.

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did I go often?

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I'll go, All right, now time to go sweep some stuff.

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Yeah.

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I need simpler tasks.

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Sweeping in denial.

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Splash

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what can I organize?

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Yeah.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So in, in terms of my shiny uh, Video world distracting distractions and

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not having fever dreams about editing.

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I discovered a new editing package this week, which I, I

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kind of, I'd heard the name of it.

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I never knew really what it was.

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And then I watched a YouTube video that just sold me in about five

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minutes on downloading DaVinci Resolve and giving that a whirl.

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Have you ever played with it?

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No, I've heard a lot of people talk about it.

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I'm apparently too content with my final cut to strike out.

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You're in Final cut.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, the guy in the video I watched was saying that Final Cut

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was sort of his second, second best

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Mm-hmm.

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Vinci.

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And just talking about how sort of Premier hasn't really evolved much over the years.

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Anyway, I get downloaded it, gave it a go.

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It's good.

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Spent a few evenings on the couch, just fiddling with it,

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trying to wrap my head around the tools, but it seems really good.

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Yeah.

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So I'm looking forward to getting in and editing some videos.

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Is there something that you're dissatisfied with in File Cut or not?

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In Premier?

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And prem?

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No, not specifically.

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I find the workflow a little bit clunky, but I've always just put that

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down to not doing enough hours to really get my, get my fusion hands, no

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, floppy CAD hands.

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you know, like cad hands flowing in there.

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No, it's pretty good.

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I, I do love a shiny new toy.

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I can't help myself

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Yeah.

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Same.

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Yeah.

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Oh, we talked about it previously, but it is astounding.

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I've been using final cuts since, what, 2015 or so, and you know, not every day.

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It's not something crazy like that.

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I'm decently quick at it.

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I know some of the keyword shortcuts, but there's something to be said

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for how quickly discord, or, sorry, the wrong thing, how quickly des.

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Worked into my brain and I can just like edit like a flash.

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I mean, it's very weak in terms of feature capability compared to those

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other softwares, but man, the speed I, There's something also I love about

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how You just kind of dump files into it and then not worry about them.

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Like I don't, I have a different relationship, my friend Joan,

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and I've been talking about.

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How to deal with files related to video editing.

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Cuz it is, you know, if you wanna back it up, it's giant files.

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Like do you put it.

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in a cloud?

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Do you ingest them into the bundle, do you not?

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You know, when you move the bundles for, with final cut, it sometimes

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disassociates the links to the videos and then so it's, it's, it is, frankly,

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I find, I know what you mean, that.

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Especially for any type of short form video, it's typically just

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better if I just edit it on my phone.

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Like I'll use this app called Cap Cut, which is made by TikTok I think.

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And it's so fast to make videos cuz you don't have to like mess around with

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like, I need to create a library and then a, an event and what format is it?

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And it's like you just start editing

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You just

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instantly.

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Yeah.

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And script has similarities with that, I guess, doesn't it?

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Yeah, for sure.

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feature set, like the transcription stuff, and it's fantastic.

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yeah, yeah.

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what are you looking forward to in Da Vinci?

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I haven't opened it or tried it really.

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I just like the, the way the sort of the interface is set up in terms of

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how you roll through the processes.

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It's kind of got different, clearly defined, different

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workspaces for each stage.

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Rough cutting and editing.

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It's kind of got a built in after effects.

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It's got a built in audio workstation.

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Seems quite feature rich and deep.

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Like I add a bit of a, you know when you open Rhino and there's

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a million buttons and you can.

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It's just, you know, thousands of commands at your disposal.

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I had a little bit of a sense of that, of like, oh, this is a really deep, rich

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program and I'm only gonna use 1% of it.

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But that 1% is also quite available and present and seems quite

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intuitive to just pick up and go.

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So, yeah, see how that goes.

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Give it a whirl.

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Yeah, that's cool.

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bro, Brothers speeds.

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No, no.

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It was, came from Saunders's video.

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He was talking to the brother salesperson and they were talking about, which I,

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you know, it's a sales, every machine company has their sales pitches.

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But you know, I've heard a lot about Brother Speedia as being good.

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And they're incredibly fast as their top, top perk.

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It seems like they're very small footprint and they're very fast.

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And in particular they use, I believe, BT 30 Spindle Taper, which is essentially the

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same thing as an ISL 30 Strader spindle.

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So they're very small, and part of their pitch on that is the inertial startup

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start, you know, Start and stop is very quick and it has a lot less mass.

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So, I mean, they're kind of making a part t out of it, I feel like, where

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it's like now they're saying, Oh, well all that energy is not spent.

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But also they have this crazy thing that I've now found out that more

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machine companies, machine tool builders are using, which is like

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curves, which is basically what like a Prius uses kinetic energy recovery.

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So it's like how you break when you're slowing down an electric vehicle.

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But they're doing that with this, They're doing that with this spindle.

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When it spools down, they're catching the energy so that they

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can spin it back up again with it.

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And so it saves a crazy amount of energy.

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And I guess somebody was saying that this is common with other machine

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tool builders, but that was the first time I'd heard about it in that tour.

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So that was pretty cool.

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super cool.

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Are they doing it with the, the motion drives as well, or just the spindle?

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I think it's just a spindle?

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I'm not really sure.

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They have a bunch of pitches on their side about how versus a Cap 40 machine, Cap

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40 taper how much energy you're saving with a brother Speedia versus because of

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some of that's the how they've designed everything and like their crazy spinning

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ATC wheel thing is all right there.

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So it doesn't have to, I don't know.

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it does make, I mean, yeah, fantastic energy recovery's cool.

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And it makes some sense in tone, like the context of those machines.

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Like you see those photos of like the farms of them, like just rows on rows

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on rows or brothers pumping out, I think cases or whatever they're making.

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It makes sense that any little bit of energy recovery would

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be valuable in that context.

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Do you feel the cost of electricity in your shop?

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The biggest suck of energy that I notice is if we're

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running our hold vacuums a lot.

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If we are running jobs that just require them all day, every day

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for weeks, that will drive it up.

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We've frankly, ashamedly not run the mill enough to know whether

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it's really throwing a lot of energy cost at us, but it should.

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I.

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mean, it, it's a giant, it's a hundred amp break.

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For that thing.

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It's, it is three phase, so I guess it's a little bit more efficient.

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But yeah, I've had thing's running all day.

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We'll see it, but it won't be significant enough that it'll offset what it's,

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what its value is making by any means.

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No, way.

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not much of a change, frankly.

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It's crazy.

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I wonder why it's so high amperage.

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I can't imagine it

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you know, it's that.

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like safety factor of

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Yeah,

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of

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I think it's only at 60 or 70 or something like that.

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And then they switch it up for,

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yeah,

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I don't really know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Mm.

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on the brothers speed thought uh, listening to the bomb the last couple

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weeks with Saunders giving grims mo shit about cutting, cutting.

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What is it?

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What is It Stuff called papers, Paper, rich light.

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I cannot, Every time this comes up, I'm like, What the hell is going on?

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I would never do that.

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That makes me so uncomfortable to run like wood type epoxy stuff

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in $150,000 machine with cooling.

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Like I get his concept of like it's capturing the dust, but like Saunders

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was Everybody else just sucks it up in a vacuum, you know, like a dust

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collection system on a $10,000 router like , it makes me so uncomfortable.

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It's pretty funny.

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I did, I was entertained slash made uncomfortable by like the kind of the

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return to Saunders laying into Grims Mo.

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I remember like years ago there was a period there where

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it was just like really heavy

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Yeah.

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. Yeah,

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I, I think to the point where the audience were like, Hey guys.

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Just need to turn tone this, tone this down a little bit.

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Mommy and daddy are fighting too much.

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Yeah, look, I'd say it's pretty weird, but I, I understand his perspective

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of like, Look, I've got this machine.

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I would need to make this part.

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Now I don't have, I've got my router coming, so yeah, I, I'm, I'm into it.

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I mean, I'm really into the idea.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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A lot.

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I am going to need some type of chip management.

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I don't know if it's gonna be a full chip conveyor.

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That's gonna require us to like, break out the side of the room, What we've

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built in it, and like put the chip conveyor through the wall if we need that.

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But like, if we're running parts for these, these, you know, I totally

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would be for some type of system like he's thinking of where it's like a

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paper van and it's just like falls on that and then off onto a bin.

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You know, the problem is dealing with all the coolant.

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and that's what those conveyors are So good with is like they create a

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place for it to track back in and.

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But yeah, ours

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what do you do?

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horrible.

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It Is I mean, I feel like nobody thinks this through, but like the

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chips come out of a little waterfall into a bin and immediately stack up

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to the point where they never leave.

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There's probably 10 times the volume in the, on each bin side that can be

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filled up, but they never go out farther.

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They just like come out, fall into a pile, and then stack back up.

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Into the waterfall that goes out the back.

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so, they're so grippy.

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They don't kind of self doesn't

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Something.

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Yeah,

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Self manage itself into a pile.

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I was kind,

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though?

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Can you just shake the bin every five

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Yeah, I mean we're talking about like roughing set.

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I have a, the pallet I made or I, it makes it roughs two parts.

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From Like minimal overage in the stock, roughs two, two risers, you

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know, cuts the center out, it cuts the side minimally off of two.

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Then it, you know, the second op takes off the top and that's really,

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it basically every cycle it will stack up that every time we'd have to

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go back and move it out of the way.

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It's just really bad.

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And I, I feel like somebody told.

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Often, Well anyway, with the Y cm, they basically just like, Well

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we have these coolant tanks, it should fit behind this machine.

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Do you want this one?

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And it's like not designed for it really, apparently.

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And which totally makes sense.

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Cause it is terrible.

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Maybe also it's like planned obsolescence of like, we just expect

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you're gonna get a conveyor and we don't put much thought into these

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little chip bins for that reason.

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I don't know.

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mm Interesting.

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So like, yeah, I suppose I look at that part, but your, your pocketing

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out that full, like all of that center just gets turned into chips, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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. Yeah,

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logic where you cut that.

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You don't just slot out and have a little slug of aluminum Left.

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Let's try it.

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I lifted one out.

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I put the wrong in mill in my rougher yesterday.

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It was a higher helix.

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And it lifted out and shifted it out and I was like, Oh,

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no, something else happened.

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And luckily it just like broke that edmi and I fixed it.

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But

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hmm.

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no, and I've learned a little bit about like, people talking about

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making smaller, more compact chips.

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Totally makes sense.

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It fills up the area so much less.

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Your bins that you put 'em in are so much less, they're heavier.

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Like, so I'll, I'll probably hopefully get into optimizing

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that stuff a little bit better.

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But I don.

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I'll take it for right now.

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If I can make a lot of chips, I'll be happy.

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It's fun.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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New challenges.

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Very cool.

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are you still thinking about making a video of your one year

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anniversary of the pencil sharpener?

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Yeah, I would like to, That date is slipping away from me,

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but yeah, it's on the list.

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Sure.

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Would like to get into that?

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That sounds like a good passion, passion project to bring your your spirits up.

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Go spend a week.

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what's happening in the shop today?

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Is Ricky there?

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Ricky is here.

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he's, he's kind of, we've been working on upgrading our, We've never had to do

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this yet because for the longest time I shipped all of the calendar stuff.

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It's very cyclical around this time of year.

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But now that we have changes with that, we're selling CNC products, rookies

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slowly turning into the one that manages.

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Those things.

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How to, you know, making them and keeping them stuff in stock and

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I order stuff and he makes it.

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And so we're basically borrowing some of Pearson's logic with his like work

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order boards and using Kanban cards probably to like, think about reordering

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or re reordering from ourselves, right?

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Like work process.

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Of, Oh, we're getting low on dust boots.

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Like we need to make more because we hit this level.

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Because for now it's just been like, Hey, you think I should make some more?

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And I go, Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But it's kinda a little too, a little too tedious now cuz it's

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like happening frequently enough.

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So Ricky's been working on that.

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He's always organizing things better and.

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Cool.

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We are about to do that aluminum job that I keep talking about on the router.

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I will be testing that probably by tomorrow and then running the whole

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thing we've made, like we didn't have an mql, like a minimum a mis

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set up for the router previous.

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So we like 3D printed a little thing for the container to sit on

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the side of the mil or the router.

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the plumbing for the wire or for the air all the way to it.

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So that's basically set up.

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sweet.

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Gonna try out thread milling.

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I got the thread mill, which is

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Nice.

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still a little bit terrifying, but

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You're gonna practice in timber, right?

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Oh, that's a good idea.

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I probably should.

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Yeah.

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Do it.

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Cause I bet you can not break them far easier.

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Hmm.

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You can do, you can get the entry and exit wrong and just like

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drag the tool up through the

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You've just cut and it, it doesn't care.

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Oh God, man, I, it is, I am getting less and less scared every time

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I form tap something in the mill.

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But since it was like Op four of the Pallet hadn't done it before,

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it's taller, but once it did one and I just, the second one, I was

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just like, Oh, that's so satisfying.

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It just smashing its way through aluminum.

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They're so clean afterwards.

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Awesome.

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Do you edge break after tapping

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Dude, I don't, I need to, I need, need to look into this.

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I have been, I don't know if that's messing up the threads or not.

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Hmm.

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Wow.

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Do they take a bolt?

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Okay.

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Most of the time.

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Yeah, I had a little bit, a little bit, I don't know like how deep to go.

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I've been doing like a five thou edge break on those because it

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does make a little bit of a bur.

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And I just don't know, like if I go too far, am I, am I making

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it hard to start the thread?

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I don't know.

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Maybe you need to do it twice

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Maybe like before and after.

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the tap and after.

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Hmm.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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What's up with you?

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How, what are you all up to?

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We've got our Lean Day today, Shop improvement day which will

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be primarily just an effort to tidy up and get organized for

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our studio sale on the weekend.

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What are you, what are you leaning

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. leaning .We're trying to sell off all our

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and stuff, clearing out old stock, make room for new things, and so the guys will

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be focused on getting all of that ready and just getting the workshop a little

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bit ship shape to have a whole bunch

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shape.

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people in here

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Do you make everybody wear safety glasses?

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Uh, Not on a weekend studio,

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cuz it's not running.

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Yeah.

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we won't be running anything.

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It's kind of tempting to have the pencil sharp though, like sitting

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there in demo mode running apart.

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But

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Then it'll crash.

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We'll see how, Yeah.

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So then it'll crash and break a tool and,

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Also, maybe that's just my American sensibility of like, everybody

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will sue you all the time.

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Yeah, so glad the culture's a little, a little bit different here.

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So yeah, getting rid of that, I've got.

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Uh, I should probably not do any fun stuff and just focus on some

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fusion drawings that I'm behind on

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Mm.

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Josh will be in, so he'll probably be in fusion land as well.

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So we might just do that together.

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And just really just getting some, a couple of big jobs just

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ready for the end of the year.

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Like I feel like we are

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Don't

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much thinking.

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The Christmas shutdown, which is only a week and a half for us, but like, yeah,

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just making sure that we are ready.

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Like there's definitely a sense, I don't know whether this is different

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for you, but this is definitely a sense here because Christmas

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is a summer holiday um, of like

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Blow my mind.

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Every,

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That's so strange, huh?

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Everything stops.

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So even if we only close for one or two weeks, it's like, it's a real

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sense from customers of like, Oh, but I need my thing before Christmas.

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It's like, Do you why?

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What, what, what?

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Yeah.

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perhaps unfair, but I think there's a false sense of like, no, it's

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gotta be done before Christmas.

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And so like, we're trying to get better at pushing back and going, Does

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it really, like, let's just do it in January when everyone's a bit more

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relaxed and we've got more capacity.

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And so trying to schedule out all that work and quote new jobs

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and make sure that they fall in.

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Time, et cetera.

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But Sarah, Sarah's been building out some new tools in air table,

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some new views, which allow us to see like week by week our

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Hmm.

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production schedule and month by month and kind of look at it and go,

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Right, well, November's looking quiet, but December's looking too full.

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What can we move around?

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And so it's been cool.

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Sure.

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Yeah, that sounds

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Um, Yeah, kind of, yeah.

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Running into the end of the.

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Just crazy

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I think my mind is still reeling that your Christmas is.

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Summer like that is, especially coming from being a Midwesterner in

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the United States, it's like zero degrees in winter and zero fre night.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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terrible blizzards and, and it is an interesting situation of like,

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it is frankly, both for the scale of commercialism that happens with

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increased shipments, but also the weather gets so bad that ship.

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Often don't get there because they just can't Yeah.

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So that's part of what I'm like, Whoa, Summer, holy crap.

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Yeah.

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that's an interesting, I have a terrible time planning for that kind of thing.

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We did have the thought that there could be a scenario where people are trying to

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get an order in because of end of year.

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Extensibility of, you know, the things we're selling with the CNC stuff.

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Now I'm not sure if that actually feel like we're not financing machine tools,

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but I'll take advantage of that if I can.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Cuz your financial year is calendar year,

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Mm-hmm.

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.Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And most, most, I would say most small businesses are that way.

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If I had to guess here,

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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I, I don't know . I did figure out a, a thing pretty sure we figured it out,

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which is frankly just really silly.

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But both of our peruses have had issues printing, We've had gobs of

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why access crashes as it deems them.

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So it like thinks there's a problem and it homes itself again,

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basically, it, it fills friction.

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It something's.

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We have spent, I've said this before, weeks off and on, chatting with support

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from Parisa, and they have tried to help us, but in no time did anybody say,

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Hey, do you have this in an enclosure?

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Which I don't blame them for.

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I don't blame them for this, we didn't bring it up either.

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Yeah.

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And we have technically two different enclosures.

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One is larger than the other.

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The top one is always where the crashes.

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We've always thought enclosure better, keeps the temperature stable.

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Dust out.

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Turns out I just Googled it last week.

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Other people have this problem too because it gets too hot.

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Just too hot.

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So we leave the door open and they're flawless prints with no.

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, more crashes.

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Ridiculous.

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We've had six or eight since then, right?

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Don?

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Don't overheat your perus, I guess like somebody was saying,

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maybe it's a bad, You know um,

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had it

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what, what God.

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Yeah.

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So that's been Great.

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that it's working again.

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They're not broken, I guess they're fine.

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They're both working now.

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yeah, they're, yeah, we have 'em both printing at the same time.

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I probably can see them back here, but we printed tool tag towers.

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Somebody will ordered a couple and we print and ship them for people

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and had some trouble with that too.

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They were warping and we put some glue down.

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Not finally fixed that, but like, yeah, the dust boots, we'd have giant

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shifts open the door, That's fine.

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So satisfying, but also like, God, what that was it.

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awesome.

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Oh, I'm glad you found it.

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That's great.

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Mm-hmm.

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So can you just set up a simple little ventilation route so

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you can keep it dust free?

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that's what I want to do.

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fan with a filter and just keeps a man moving through it.

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It's kind of what I was thinking to do.

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I don't know what the level of heat is, but it's definitely hot.

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Like we put an acrylic scrap piece on the door of the front of the top one

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and it warps the door out while it's hot and then it closes itself when it's not.

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So it's definitely hot in there.

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but it, at no time did the machine go, Hey, it's too hot for me.

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It's just like, instead I'm just gonna think I crashed all the time.

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Anyway, just me, I guess

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nos.

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Say the only other thing I have, we have a few new Patreon

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members, which we appreciate.

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hey uh,

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I feel remiss after listening back and I had a couple comments

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that we didn't really mention.

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There's other tiers.

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So we have tiers from $2 $5, 10, and 25, all with differing levels of benefit.

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5, 10, 20.

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Yeah, sorry, US dollars.

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Gem will now convert live.

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Yeah.

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2, 5 and 10 USD equates to roughly 3, 7 and 15 AUD

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Thanks Don.

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Don.

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You're welcome.

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So, yeah, those are not the only levels.

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I was just trying to espouse the ones that were my favorite last

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time and somebody was like, I don't know if I can go that high.

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And I was like, Yeah, oh no, we have whatever you can give.

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That's cool.

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So you can go check it out the link and you can see those, what

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the benefits are and, and such.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.

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New Patreon's Paton's Pet.

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Pitch pit, pit PDs.

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Excuse me.

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I dunno.

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I dunno.

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I was trying to make a word, but it didn't really work.

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Apparently my audio doesn't work again.

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Is that me?

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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you

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I'm just typing PS apparently

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Revolting.

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I, I got Okay.

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Right away.

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Okay.

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That's all I got.

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I wanna make some parts

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Yeah, go do it.

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feel better, man, both emotionally and uh, find a passion project.

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Thank you.

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Make a video or something.

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Make a new product.

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I've just been getting some more sleep in the meantime.

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That's been good.

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Sleep's good.

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Sleep

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Well, happy milling.

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Go make some chips, fill some bins, and I'll see

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Bill Smith.

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Bye.

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