In this powerful and refreshing conversation, we sit down with Jazzmyn Proctor, relational therapist, content creator, and host of The Visibility Standard, to explore what it really means for healers to be seen.

Based in Washington, DC, Jazzmyn serves clients virtually across DC, Maryland, and Virginia while also helping therapists and high-achieving professionals break through visibility blocks and build authentic, sustainable brands. But her journey didn’t start with marketing—it started with a deep commitment to autonomy, creativity, and doing therapy differently.

Jazzmyn shares how she knew early on, even in grad school, that private practice and online visibility would be central to her path. From investing in mentorship and supervision to launching her podcast and falling in love with content creation, she reveals how creativity became a key tool for burnout prevention.

We dive into:

• Why healers need identities outside of their clinical roles
• The connection between people-pleasing and visibility blocks
• How storytelling and authenticity drive real impact
• The courage it takes to be seen, and why it’s essential now more than ever
• Building a business rooted in autonomy, alignment, and sustainability

With nearly a decade in the mental health field, from residential work to case management to private practice, Jazzmyn brings both clinical depth and creative strategy to her work at the intersection of healing and leadership.

If you’ve been holding back from sharing your voice, this episode will challenge you to step forward, get visible, and own your impact.

Jazzmyn Proctor is a relational therapist, content creator, and host of The Visibility Standard podcast. With a foundation in social media management and attachment-based therapy, she blends psychology, storytelling, and brand strategy to help people move beyond fear and show up fully. She supports high-achieving professionals and therapists in overcoming people-pleasing, breaking visibility blocks, and building authentic, sustainable impact. Her work sits at the intersection of healing and leadership, combining clinical insight with creative strategy for those ready to expand.

Want to know how you can begin your journey to hope and healing? Visit Elevated Life Academy for classes and free resources for personal development and healing.

Resources:

CherieLindberg.com

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Guest Links:

https://www.instagram.com/jazzmynproctor/

https://www.tiktok.com/@jazzmynproctor

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-visibility-standard/id1678336456

https://www.healingwithjazzmyn.com/

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Cherie Lindberg

Hi, I'm Cherie Lindberg and welcome to Elevated Life Academy, where we share real stories of healing, hope and transformation. Tune in to hear how everyday people are rising above and lighting the way for others. Welcome to another episode of Elevator Life Academy and I am your host, Cherie Lindberg. And we want to welcome Jazzmyn to our podcast today, and I will let Jazzmyn introduce herself and share about what she does in the world.

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Cherie Lindberg

And we're going to have this really wonderful conversation. So welcome, Jazzmyn.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Thank you so much for having me, Cherie. I am Jazzmyn. I am based in Washington, D.C. I am a virtual therapist, so I serve clients fully Telehealth and DC, Maryland and Virginia. I also create content specifically around therapists, marketing and visibility, and just really am a huge proponent of healers getting their voice out there, getting their voices heard, being seen, being up publicly.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And I'm also the podcast host of The Visibility Standard, which centers women founders, women healers, creatives who are doing really cool things.

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Cherie Lindberg

Awesome. Women power. Let's roar. I love that. I love that. So tell me a little bit about your journey and becoming a therapist and how did you get to being, you know, just an online, you know, not just an online therapist and then, you know, evolving into into marketing and podcast? Absolutely.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

So I started off basically when I was in grad school, which is pretty rare. I knew I wanted to go into private practice, and I also knew that part of the marketing would be putting myself out there online. And so I worked with someone to build out my podcast. I worked with someone also to just support me in getting my business started.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

But then I really fell in love with the creation process, and I realized the creativity was burnout prevention for me. So allowing myself to be fully human in a space to include all of my hobbies and my interests and build community. And so then I went from there, and then I realized how crucial it is that healers have identities outside of being a healer and build sustainable careers lifestyles.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And that's how podcasting and country creation kind of grew for me from there.

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Cherie Lindberg

Oh, wonderful. So did you jump right into private practice or did you work? You know what? Where was your beginnings?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

So I jumped right into private practice in Maryland. You can have an associate level license and start your private practice and contract out your supervision. And so because I knew business autonomy was really important for me early on, I knew making that investment in really good supervision was going to be really important. And so I went from there.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And so I've been in private practice ever since. Prior to grad school, I worked in residential as tech, like a mental health tech, so supportive clients and med management, grocery shopping. And then I worked in quasi government as a case manager, specifically with youth. And so starting up youth programs, I worked in an after school program. So I've been in the mental health field for almost ten years.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And so therapy was has been like the final chapter for that. And now expanding more into the marketing aspect and still being able to support my make therapy clients as well.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. Yeah. So did you start right away in your private practice in person, or did you know right away that you wanted to be telehealth only?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I would love to be back in person some time, but right now I am fully virtual. I was fortunate enough during like my internships to work in person. I love the in-person experience, but virtual also supports the lifestyle that I have now, where I'm starting to travel more for conferences and more community building and different career opportunities and that.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

So yeah, like telehealth just works for me with where I am right now.

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Cherie Lindberg

Absolutely. I mean, so many folks. Did that shift with COVID enough for for that very reason and then saw just like you deposit have aspects of oh, I can work and travel like that's a no brainer for sure. So when did you start adding the marketing piece and content creation? Because I love doing that as well. I love to hear more about that.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

It was in tandem. It was immediately So while I was finishing up my internship, I started just practicing recording myself talking. And so a lot of people feel really intimidated by talking in front of the camera. And I'm so grateful when people say I do it well and I constantly remind them, like, I would just walk around the park, talk with my phone in front of me without having this pressure to post or for it to be perfect.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And so, like I said, I worked with a podcast coach to support me and building out systems and identifying what I really wanted my podcast to look like. And so I just started posting from there. And then I would say in the last year and a half is where I've committed really to posting very consistently, almost 2 to 3 times a day.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I try. That's the aspiration. Of course, when I have busier, quiet weeks, I don't always get to meet that. But posting on a regular cadence, it's been about a year and a half.

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Cherie Lindberg

And is there certain topics? Are you just looking at all mental health topics that you cover?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

So I primarily focus on what I support in therapy. I primarily work with high achieving individuals and women. I also love working with couples, which I know is everyone has their different perspective on working with couples. I love being able to support a relational unit, so I work in a lot with perfectionism and the individual space anxiety. Again, the high achieving which typically overlaps into relationships of people pleasing, boundary setting, all of that.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And then the other piece to that is also talking about therapist visibility. So what it means to be visible, to be public, facing, to do it ethically and all the nuances that come with being on social media. I love talking about it.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. Okay, great. Well, ironically, I work with high performing women as well and couples. I do couples coaching. So yes, we have some we have that in common. So I totally understand where you're coming from. So in terms of visibility, let's talk about that, because one of the things that I and I'm interested, Jasmyne, to hear your perspective is when I work with entrepreneurs that on their own practice, that is one of the biggest things is imposter syndrome that comes up because what do I have to offer or what do I have to put out there?

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Cherie Lindberg

So how, what are some things that you might say to somebody that comes to you and says, Yeah, visibility getting out there, What do I have to offer? Or experiencing imposter syndrome?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I mean, first I would say I mean, therapists, healers, coaches, everyone that falls into that helping bracket. They are some of the most creative, innovative individuals and the value that they offer when working with their clients can absolutely be translated to the public and building a social presence. I will also say that visibility does not require being an influencer, and so I feel like as social media has shifted more into video content, especially with the rise of Tik Tok and Instagram, there's this pressure that, Oh, I need to follow the trends or I need to do this, that and the other.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

There are so many ways to be visible and to meet your capacity. And so if you are a more in-depth person that likes longer form content, podcasting or writing on substack or blogs may work for you if you like. The shorter, fun, trendy videos, Instagram and Tik Tok may work for you, but you don't need to be everywhere to be visible.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

You really just need one or two strong platform years to get started.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah, I like that idea because I really sometimes I'll be in a real thoughtful space and I'll I'll put it up on YouTube because it's larger than the one minute thing you get, you know, for, for Tik Tok or whatever, because I want to have an actual conversation. Totally understand that. What is your your favorite content to create?

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Cherie Lindberg

Do you have a favorite?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I'm really loving Tik Tok right now. It was a really difficult app for me to break through at first. The trick, and this can be really hard for a lot of entrepreneurs, and especially folks who have been brought up in the really strict academic settings. Tik Tok is all about having fun. It's all about letting go a lot of the business and just letting yourself have fun and people seeing you.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And so as I've gotten more comfortable and being seen and just showing a more fun side, I've done a lot better on Tik Tok, But I also find that I ebb and flow depending on how I'm feeling with what my favorite platform is. I love podcasting because you get to just have really thoughtful, in-depth conversations and I love the longer form intentionality behind it, even in how people consume it.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

But short form, I would definitely say Tik Tok.

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Cherie Lindberg

Now, do you stick mostly to videos or do you create thumbnails or blogs and all those different items as well?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I would say my top priorities are video content blogs because it's really important for website SEO search engine optimization. And so I really do try to commit to blog posts and then I love like carousel, like static posts just to get information out there and they get to be really fun and creative sometimes. So if I don't feel like filming, I love doing some of those.

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Cherie Lindberg

Great in I'm assuming. But let me check in with you in terms of your blogs. Do you mostly stick with, you know, what you work with in your office or do you venture out into other topic areas as well?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

For my website, it's definitely office therapy specific and visibility specific. And then I have a substack, which is more of me processing the world. And a lot of times, you know, as therapists we have overlap in what we treat. And so I talk about my journey with perfectionism. I talk about my journey as someone who puts a lot of pressure on themselves and built and wants to achieve as much as she can.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And also I'm someone that struggles with their mental health. So I recently wrote a substack about what it's like to be an entrepreneur that really struggles with depression and what it's like to experience those low seasons and bounce back and still have all of these things to maintain. So yeah, Substack is where I get to be more thoughtful and transparent.

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Cherie Lindberg

Okay. And could you share a little bit more about Substack, because I know it's a new it's relatively new. There's not a lot of folks that understand and I just started to understand a lot of people are moving off of TikTok and going into Substack. So could you share a little bit more?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Substack is a blog. It started off as a blog heavy app. Now there's options to go live. There is a shorter form space for people to converse. So Substack is more like a culture. It's a domain for blogging and going live and building more of a community around blogging. So I would say it has a similar social media component, but it is a longer form of content.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

It's also a great space for people to generate leads because there is a because people sign up for your newsletter, for your blog, whatever you're sharing on Substack. And so when you collect emails and you can transfer over those to newsletters. Okay.

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Cherie Lindberg

Okay. And how long have you been like, have you always done a lot of these all at the same time, or have you did you start with like your top three for visibility and then added as you went along, how what was your strategy there?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

So my primary forms right now are Instagram, my podcast and Tik Tok and then Substack is just whenever I feel like it. And so thankfully I've learned myself in this space of what a like what my capacity is. And for anyone listening, when you think about what it means for you to be visible where you can put your time and attention.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Consistency doesn't always need to mean every single day 2 to 3 times a day. Consistency can be whatever it looks like for you and what your goals are. So my my goals right now are to grow on TikTok and Instagram. That is where I put my primary energy whenever I want to share our process. Like some of the insights behind the scenes, I'll put it over on Substack.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

But I really try not to put too much pressure on posting because then once that becomes once it feels like pressure and there's times when I don't want to, then I give myself permission to not post or create.

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Cherie Lindberg

All right, good. Yeah. I think that's so, so important for somebody who I don't even know how many years I've been doing an up TikTok. I've only been on TikTok for a little over a year. I think it's so easy to get into that mindset of shoulds. I should do this, I should do that, you know, and to really give yourself a break and enjoy this process.

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Cherie Lindberg

Like, are you enjoying the time and the effort and what you're doing and putting out there and then also telling your own story I think is so important, like letting people get into your energy and get to recognize you. And so, yeah, I don't like I'm not a part of I don't know about you, Jasna, but the house hustle culture like that is not what I'm interested in, right?

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Cherie Lindberg

I'm, I'm more like, Hey, if you really want to transform your life, here are some tips. I always want to give value. And hey, if you want to come work with me, here is how you here's how you reach me. You know.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Yeah, I definitely have found like a balance of, you know, like, this is what I'm offering this is, you know, if you want to work with me. But I really just love offering education in a fun way. So if I can offer information to support and empower our therapist, especially to show up and build identities and personal brands in tandem with being a therapist, I've found is like so valuable for me.

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Cherie Lindberg

So the substack and then doing the visibility in the podcast and all that, it sounds like these are your fun things that keep the whole being therapist in balance from what you're describing.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And I mean, I'm honestly I'm working on a workshop right now. I'm presenting at ACA in a couple of weeks, a learning institute, and I'm gathering data for therapists like retention. And over 55% of therapists don't even pursue full licensure. And our retention rate is the highest of any other helping profession in compared to like nurses and teachers.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Social workers are the next ones that are closer in line with the therapists. Turnover rate. And so when I look at those numbers, I'm like, okay, wow, we are in a crisis. And so if I can support a more positive messaging around the therapist field and create an environment that allows therapy to feel more sustainable so that we can keep therapists like I'm all for it.

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Cherie Lindberg

Absolutely. I think that's wonderful. I'm just thinking as you're talking, going beyond the old self-care, the kind of language thing into understanding more about nervous system management and and that if you're sitting day after day after day, nine clients a day, how it's going to impact your your central nervous system and your neurobiology and let's start having those conversations and how that imprints in there, how that how that gets in there.

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Cherie Lindberg

I think you're very wise to somehow you intuited or knew that, Hey, I can't do this. We got to have some kind of balance. And then you went into the creativity route, which is, you know, pretty, you know, pretty amazing. Did you know that, like right away when you were in grad school or did it just seem to naturally happen for you?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Honestly, no, I, I and I still struggle sometimes now with the way that my career is shaking out where like, be like my client work and my content are are holding pretty much equal value and that is its own unlearning process as someone to that imagine selves to be sitting in front of 20 to 30 people a week.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

But I've found people are resonating with my messaging. And so again, like doing more content creation opportunities and turning that into supplemental income has been really valuable for me. And so as I've allowed and the biggest, biggest part of this has been allowing myself to just flow with this process. That's how I've learned, okay, like if I want to do both of these things as to the best of my ability, I'm going to have to find like balance in both.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And that means I won't be able to have a really big caseload of people. And that means that I am going to there's days that I don't want to film that sometimes I still do film, then being really gracious with myself when I don't film. So it's just been learning and feeling how my body feels when I have ten clients a week and no podcast recordings or podcast recordings and clients, I actually took a month break from reporting, recording my podcast, and that was the most tired I'd felt as a therapist.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And it's so interesting because I'm like, I just took work off my plate. But podcasting allowed conversations that weren't me being a therapist. It was it was totally different. And I was missing that in allowing myself to pivot when I recognize I need to pivot because I think a lot of people, a lot of therapists, they pivot when they're at burnout.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Yeah, they pivot when they don't have the capacity to figure out what's next, but they realize they need to figure out what's next. And so if I can pivot as soon as early as possible, they recognize it.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yes. Seeing. Mm. Yeah. That's beautiful. And you're you're absolutely right. Like I'm working with a lot of folks that want to transition, but they don't know what's next. But yet they're listening to themselves, which is wonderful because you do want to get there before the burnout, because you don't have the energy to transition and pivot. Like you said.

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Cherie Lindberg

That's that's a really, you know, again, really strong intuition on your part. Jazzmyn The other thing I wanted to pick up on what you said is about letting it flow through. So there's a lot of research on flow out there and talking about how learning to trigger flow responses in your self is and doing it more and more often.

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Cherie Lindberg

And collaboration is the wave of the future because our world is continuing to rapidly change and we need to be able to pivot with it. And it sounds like you've got this attunement antenna that you're watching and you're shifting in your pivoting as you are seeing it or experiencing it or recognizing it in your in your body.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Yeah, I mean, when we look at conversations around venture capital back to mental health companies, AI, all of these things that are now encroaching into the mental health space, spending my energy, trying to figure out how to work against it. Right, isn't helpful. But if I can work on collaborating and uplifting other group practices and other private practices and supporting other healers to amplify like their voice and to to benefit from the the funding that is coming.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And then I'm all for it. But it is it's pivoting. It's it's letting go and recognize like the change is happening and even how people are consuming therapy, how people are finding therapists, how people are looking for their mental health information has changed drastically. Yes, I want to at least make sure that they are getting like accurate information from someone that is trained to do so.

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Cherie Lindberg

Absolutely. I'm very interested in the venture capital. Can you touch on that a little bit? Because that is happening in my area as well. I was one of the people that said no to big business coming in. They were they were starting to purchase all the small little mom and pop shop, you know, were, you know, single practices.

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Cherie Lindberg

And so forth. What has been your experience and have you had that conversation with others? Yeah.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I so I first want to say like the again, as we're talking about burnout and the low pay and the compensation and the challenge sometimes to maintain is what draws people to those tech companies like better how talkspace they they gravitate to it because they are they're pay they're not paying much for the practitioner end but they're paying a lot on the creator and which is really what draws people to promote their business.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I believe like community and collaboration is what's going to allow us to combat that, that this you and I, this is a new take that I'm sitting on. But I think that we have overextended private practices and if we could really build strong group practices, build environments that people want to stay in and work at, we would be so much better off.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

But the appeal to work for the self and then have these companies that handle insurance and the billing and everything, it's so appealing when someone wants to get out of an environment that's not working for them. That's right. And we can go back to strengthening. Our agencies are our group practices. I think we would be in such a different position.

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Cherie Lindberg

Oh, I love this conversation. So let's go to the next level on this. One of the reasons I left and this was many, many years ago, was the fact that administration or the folks that were leading, we're still leading from these outdated punitive like practices. What I would love to see out there, because I'm right on with you, is can we have group practices that have conscious leadership?

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Cherie Lindberg

So your thoughts on that?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I am so fortunate that I've been able to see practice owners who are really pouring into their team, who are nurturing a team of creative entrepreneurs, all like fostering every part of like their therapists and like showing their appreciation and really building and cultivating a team. And so I believe it's possible I see it happening and I'm so grateful when I see it happening while I started my private practice and when it wasn't growing quickly enough.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I also I went back to residential as a therapist and the administration and all of those logistical sticky things is one of the reasons why I needed to leave. But yeah, it's being thoughtful about leadership. It's being thoughtful about what does it mean to truly nurture the next generation of therapists. Again, with those stats that I just saw out there earlier, and I'll throw another one out there that it says about 47% are looking to pivot out of being a therapist in the next five years.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

So 55% don't even pursue full licensure and we're losing 47% in the next five years.

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Cherie Lindberg

Right. What are we going to do?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

What are we going to do and why? And I love being a therapist. So if I want to help people figure out how to enjoy, get back to enjoying it, whatever that might look like.

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Cherie Lindberg

Well, I think we would be remiss if we didn't talk about insurance. Like, I mean, that is one of the biggest problems right now. Many of us in this field know and understand that the system is absolutely broken. When you have someone from an insurance company telling you who have taken ten years plus of education, how you need to work with your clients like that is a huge a huge problem.

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Cherie Lindberg

So so your thoughts, your thoughts on that? I'd love to hear it.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

I am a private pay therapist and I and I got this model from my supervisor that I worked with, Dr. Jennifer Kaufmann Walker. She was offering a pay what you can sliding scale. And so that meant sometimes $20 and $30. And I have never seen that before. And so that is something that I implement and practice from. Does that create the a level of inconsistency at times and like what I make in the week?

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Jazzmyn Proctor

Yes. But does that also mean that I am offering quality care at an affordable rate for people that need it also? Yes. And that is more important for me and so content creation and these other sustainable ways of creating or making an income without necessarily seeing more clients is also a big motivating factor. So that I continue practicing in that way because it's absolutely insulting the way that insurance companies claw back money or don't pay their posts in a timely manner and don't pay therapists the wages that are reflective of the work that they're putting in.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

And so the conversation around like insurance, I think as a consumer, it can be so frustrating when a therapist doesn't take your insurance. And I know so many therapists that sit with the debate of what it means to take insurance and what it means to not take insurance, and the the extra administrative responsibility that comes with taking insurance that a lot of individuals either don't have the capacity to manage or don't have the funding to hire someone on to manage that extra administrative responsibility.

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Jazzmyn Proctor

It is. Insurance companies have put clinicians in such an unfortunate position when it comes to paneling with insurance companies. Mm hmm.

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Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. There just seems to be a lot of hoops. I mean, I'm one of those casualties because four years ago I shifted over to coaching and you're seeing that happening more and more and more people leaving, you know, and I've been in the field for over 20 years, leaving and moving into coaching. And I don't I don't regret it at all because I don't have to deal with insurance companies and the people that come to me are excited about doing the work and wanting to change and transform their lives.

00;29;39;27 - 00;29;58;19

Cherie Lindberg

Like I don't have to light a fire under anyone either. Where with insurance companies you got treatment plans. It's like, okay, decrease anxiety by 60% in six sessions. You know, it's like, hey, you know, like, like we can control all the outcomes, like, you know, in the time frame, really unrealistic.

00;29;58;22 - 00;30;22;17

Jazzmyn Proctor

So it is a real privacy issue. Like when I worked in residential and the amount of information that I needed to share, I'm like, this is too much information. I don't know. I should not need to disclose this for you to approve this person's care. But again, like you said, it's the hoops, it's the red tape that have been in place for years at this point.

00;30;22;17 - 00;30;39;01

Jazzmyn Proctor

But it's starting to the the question of whether it is sustainable I think is starting to loom over the field. And and a lot of people, like you said, pivoting the coaching there, they're addressing that unsustainably. The they are addressing it in the best way that they can.

00;30;39;08 - 00;31;05;23

Cherie Lindberg

Yeah. Yeah. Well and I think our our culture in many ways waits till the crisis happens. Them will deal with it. And so we do unfortunately, our society is increasingly traumatized. And if we lose 47% of our caregivers or, you know, the folks that are going to help people with their mental health, it's going to impact work, it's going to impact the economy.

00;31;05;23 - 00;31;34;19

Cherie Lindberg

And then maybe then somebody will listen in the changes will will happen that are necessary and needed, have been needed for a very, very long time. So I think going back full circle here to your very wise idea of diversifying and having other things, creative things that fill you up, helps you stay balanced and continue to enjoy your job.

00;31;34;19 - 00;31;55;09

Cherie Lindberg

And I think it goes beyond a self-care. I think what you're talking about is more alignment with your central nervous system and what your body and brain can manage in that. You're wise to see that and to create something where you're going to have that balance that you need.

00;31;55;11 - 00;32;00;20

Jazzmyn Proctor

And then my clients get the best care possible. Yeah, it keeps everyone in mind.

00;32;00;23 - 00;32;11;00

Cherie Lindberg

Mm. That's, that's wonderful. So, Jazzmyn, is there anything that I haven't asked you that you would want our listeners to know about you, your business, your journey?

00;32;11;03 - 00;32;52;22

Jazzmyn Proctor

I think I would say if you are finding yourself in that position where therapy is feeling unnecessary pain of or allow yourself to think about what's next, what else, and what is something that you could do that wouldn't require you to take on more clients. And, and again, grieving that piece of yourself that has been a fully booked therapist or grieving that part of you in grad school where, like you learned like the identity of a therapist has been ingrained in you, like giving yourself permission to let that go is hard and it can be a really powerful journey.

00;32;52;24 - 00;33;13;09

Cherie Lindberg

Thank you. Thank you. Well, I want to just say, as we're concluding here, thank you so much for for being here as a guest. And as I've always said on elevator life, what we're trying to do by doing this podcast is reach folks that want to learn how to live an elevator life and do it in different and creative ways.

00;33;13;09 - 00;33;27;09

Cherie Lindberg

And so today we had a very interesting creative conversation about how to do that. And so make sure you look Jazzmyn up. We'll make sure that we have all your socials and everything connected to this podcast. So thank you for being a guest.

00;33;27;11 - 00;33;31;27

Jazzmyn Proctor

Thank you so much for reaching out to me. I really have enjoyed this conversation.

00;33;32;00 - 00;34;02;13

Cherie Lindberg

Danny, too. Thank you. Thank you for joining us today. And Elevated Life Academy stories of hope and healing as you move back into your world, I invite you to take a breath and hold on to what ever stirred something in you from our podcast today, Healing isn't always loud, but it is always sacred. Whether today's story Open Your Heart gave you a new perspective or just reminded you that you are not alone, it matters.

00;34;02;13 - 00;34;22;15

Cherie Lindberg

And so do you. Keep choosing alignment, keep trusting your becoming. And remember, the elevated life is imperfect. It's present. If this episode resonated, share it with someone who needs a little more light. And if you're ready to go deeper in your own journey, you know where to find me. Until next time, stay rooted, stay rising and stay. You.