Recapping the 9 episodes that reframe our investment mindset to ease financial anxiety!
Quote for the episode: "The fear should not be paying for advice, it should be not getting something for that advice, not getting the value that you're paying for." (15:35)
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Joseph Okaly:Hello there and welcome once again to the Enjoy
Joseph Okaly:More 30s Family Finance podcast. And today I have for you our
Joseph Okaly:Series Recap of the Raising Your Investment Mindset series. So as
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Joseph Okaly:Today, as I said, we have the recap for you of the Raising
Joseph Okaly:Your Investment Mindset series. As I opened with at the very,
Joseph Okaly:very start of this series, investments really aren't my
Joseph Okaly:favorite thing to talk about because quite frankly, they are
Joseph Okaly:not nearly as important, in my opinion as so many of the other
Joseph Okaly:planning elements when it comes to finances. But you know, as
Joseph Okaly:sometimes I can be a little bit of the minority here, I wanted
Joseph Okaly:to make sure that I did provide you with these main points to
Joseph Okaly:cover these main things about investments because investments
Joseph Okaly:are what people have the most questions about. Investments or
Joseph Okaly:what people make movies about. There's no you know, well
Joseph Okaly:rounded, comprehensive financial planning movie, there should be
Joseph Okaly:but there's not. So you know, the mentalities that go with it
Joseph Okaly:the make it big mindset that they teach you in Hollywood and
Joseph Okaly:what a lot of people talk about, you know, from what I have seen
Joseph Okaly:myself personally in almost 15 years, it hinders the way more
Joseph Okaly:people operate, the decisions that they make than it helps. So
Joseph Okaly:why I did this series was for you to help reframe how you view
Joseph Okaly:and when we reframe how we view something, it can allow us to
Joseph Okaly:now utilize that in a different way. So utilize investments and
Joseph Okaly:a more constructive way, hence, raising your investment mindset
Joseph Okaly:title.
Joseph Okaly:The goal of this series, though, was very similar to the goal of
Joseph Okaly:all the other series that I've done. And that's to make sure
Joseph Okaly:that we are removing anxiety, we are removing financial worry. We
Joseph Okaly:don't want to forget that goal. So we can focus then all of our
Joseph Okaly:energy on what matters most, what matters most to you. And I
Joseph Okaly:have to believe very high on that list is enjoying more
Joseph Okaly:living with your family and with your friends. So you don't need
Joseph Okaly:to have anxiety when it comes to money. That's crazy, right? And
Joseph Okaly:with the right mindset, with a few steps in the right
Joseph Okaly:direction, you can make huge, monumentally huge strides. So be
Joseph Okaly:proud of every step as you take it, you're making a contribution
Joseph Okaly:to yourself, you're making life more enjoyable for you. And the
Joseph Okaly:natural consequence of that is now your family's life is better
Joseph Okaly:as well, that's great. So lastly, at the end, today, I'm
Joseph Okaly:going to talk about the next series for the podcast to come.
Joseph Okaly:Always super excited. So without any further ado, let's grab your
Joseph Okaly:spouse. And let's review.
Joseph Okaly:Number 1, Investment Don't "Do Good". So here I got a little
Joseph Okaly:bit up on the soapbox. We discussed how we don't want to
Joseph Okaly:ask if our investments "do good". We want to ask if our
Joseph Okaly:investments are on a path to get us to a specific goal. Are they
Joseph Okaly:getting us to where we want them to be? And if they're doing so
Joseph Okaly:effectively, when we compare them to their peers, when we
Joseph Okaly:compare the investments to their peers, doing good is completely
Joseph Okaly:arbitrary, and likely emotional with how it is generally used.
Joseph Okaly:It needs to be compared to something. If you had a fun last
Joseph Okaly:year and 2021 that went up 30%, you are probably like wow, this
Joseph Okaly:is fantastic. Best fund ever right? However, if it was a real
Joseph Okaly:estate fund, it would have actually trailed its index by
Joseph Okaly:15% still, as the real estate index was up over 45% in 2021.
Joseph Okaly:So we need to focus on making sure your investments are on a
Joseph Okaly:path to get you to your goals and leave the investment
Joseph Okaly:performance comparisons up to an advisor or an allocation fund or
Joseph Okaly:something to make sure those individual pieces are performing
Joseph Okaly:how they should would be my advice. Point of the investments
Joseph Okaly:are to get us to our goals. Comparison wise we need to make
Joseph Okaly:sure we're comparing them to the right thing, the right
Joseph Okaly:alternatives to the same kind of investment box to see whether
Joseph Okaly:they're doing well or not. So hopefully at the end of this
Joseph Okaly:episode, everybody was able to say "I now understand what I I
Joseph Okaly:want my investments to do and how I should be evaluating if
Joseph Okaly:they are actually doing that."
Joseph Okaly:Number 2, Buy Low, Sell High? Here we discussed how too many
Joseph Okaly:people wind up buying high and selling low, because of the role
Joseph Okaly:of emotions and the lack of education that's provided, the
Joseph Okaly:lack of perspective on what normal actually is. So as an
Joseph Okaly:example, we talked about how a 10% drop in the market, market
Joseph Okaly:being the S&P 500, every 18 months on average, is normal. If
Joseph Okaly:you see a 10% drop every 18 months in the market, that is
Joseph Okaly:actually normal when we look back in history normal. So you
Joseph Okaly:should actually expect 20 of those to occur over the next 30
Joseph Okaly:years. That would be normal. The worst one month since 1970 in
Joseph Okaly:the market, again, the S&P 500, the worst one month performance,
Joseph Okaly:negative 21%. The worst 15 year period in the market over that
Joseph Okaly:same period of time going back to 1970, positive 3.7%, same
Joseph Okaly:exact index, different time period, very different result.
Joseph Okaly:So time period greatly affects what normal is. Shorter term,
Joseph Okaly:again, you should expect more ups and downs. Longer term, you
Joseph Okaly:have a smaller range of returns and again, the worst 15 year
Joseph Okaly:period was positive 3.7%. So hopefully now at the end of this
Joseph Okaly:episode, everyone is able to say "I now better understand what
Joseph Okaly:normal is for how often downs do occur and I am better equipped
Joseph Okaly:to not emotionally sell low when that happens."
Joseph Okaly:Number 3, The Stock Market Doesn't Care About Political
Joseph Okaly:Parties. Here we discuss how what political party happens to
Joseph Okaly:be in power tends to have very little correlation to how the
Joseph Okaly:stock market performs, as well as the certainty versus
Joseph Okaly:uncertainty elements that most certainly do. They've looked at
Joseph Okaly:the President, they've looked at the Congress, they've combined
Joseph Okaly:them all together in all different ways. And what the
Joseph Okaly:past says is that you can't dictate better or worse
Joseph Okaly:investment returns just by what political party happens to be in
Joseph Okaly:office. Uncertainty on the other hand, we talked about how it
Joseph Okaly:does historically show a high correlation with volatility:
Joseph Okaly:financial crisis of 2008, COVID in 2020, the uncertainty period
Joseph Okaly:was the drop. Once there was more perceived certainty, a plan
Joseph Okaly:of action, what are we going to do? The market started its
Joseph Okaly:recovery. So hopefully everyone after this episode was able to
Joseph Okaly:say now, "I now know better what generally affects the stock
Joseph Okaly:market and what generally doesn't" goal statement that we
Joseph Okaly:laid out.
Joseph Okaly:Number 4, Hollywood's Stock Market. Here we addressed how
Joseph Okaly:our perceptions are based on what we hear and what we see,
Joseph Okaly:those inputs. And when it comes to investments, Hollywood tends
Joseph Okaly:to only put out very negative perceptions, which can increase
Joseph Okaly:our uneasiness, decrease our likelihood of maybe taking the
Joseph Okaly:steps we need to through investments or advice. Wall
Joseph Okaly:Street, The Big Short, Boiler Room, Wolf of Wall Street, all
Joseph Okaly:the most popular movies involve crooks, criminals, and otherwise
Joseph Okaly:very unscrupulous individuals. So what are your views about
Joseph Okaly:investment? Do you have positive views? Are they negative? Are
Joseph Okaly:they opportunistic? Are they fearful? You know, think about
Joseph Okaly:how you may have gotten to the mindset you have today. You
Joseph Okaly:weren't born with it. It's something that's developed over
Joseph Okaly:time. And think about what mindset you might want your kids
Joseph Okaly:to have about it. Because I've seen too many clients who are in
Joseph Okaly:bad, you know, situations and make bad decisions, because they
Joseph Okaly:were too fearful of using investments, or too fearful of
Joseph Okaly:reaching out for advice. And were in, you know, a poor
Joseph Okaly:financial situation because of it. In my experience, there are
Joseph Okaly:way more good people than not out there that can help you be
Joseph Okaly:making decisions. So hopefully everyone is now able to say "I
Joseph Okaly:recognize what can greatly affect many people's perceptions
Joseph Okaly:of investments", which was the goal statement that we laid out
Joseph Okaly:for that episode.
Joseph Okaly:Number 5, Winners and Losers are Temporary. This episode we
Joseph Okaly:focused on how just like every dog has its day, every area of
Joseph Okaly:the market tends to have it's time to lead and how emotionally
Joseph Okaly:to make the most of that fact. Human tendency is to assume that
Joseph Okaly:what happened recently is just going to keep happening right?
Joseph Okaly:Stock is going up, it's gonna go up forever, right? Nothing goes
Joseph Okaly:up forever though. So we talked about how rebalancing, which is
Joseph Okaly:systematically taking gains in certain well performing areas
Joseph Okaly:and reinvesting them into an area that has been
Joseph Okaly:underperforming is something an advisor or an allocation fund
Joseph Okaly:does, because of how different areas tend to do best each year.
Joseph Okaly:Again, we use the real estate example. In 2020, it went down
Joseph Okaly:around 12%. Get out right? Down 12%! In 2021 it went up 45%.
Joseph Okaly:It's fantastic! Get in! Through the end of January of 2022, it
Joseph Okaly:was down over 6.5%. Get out again, right? So rebalancing can
Joseph Okaly:help us avoid the emotional toll of selling things that have done
Joseph Okaly:well, and buying things that maybe haven't. So hopefully,
Joseph Okaly:everyone is now able to better say "I understand how to better
Joseph Okaly:view my winners and my losers." Again, that goal statement that
Joseph Okaly:we laid out for the episode.
Joseph Okaly:Number 6, We Can All Save Another $100. This one is pretty
Joseph Okaly:self explanatory. And we talked about how saving just a little
Joseph Okaly:bit more is almost always possible. And just how hugely
Joseph Okaly:significant that little extra bit can be for you and how much
Joseph Okaly:farther it can take you down the road. So our credit card bills
Joseph Okaly:are very easy. As an example here. They vary every month. If
Joseph Okaly:we have an emergency vet visit, we figure out how to pay for it.
Joseph Okaly:So use that same urgency on yourself. We spoke on how an
Joseph Okaly:extra $100 a month for 30 years equates to an extra $150,000 at
Joseph Okaly:8%. $100 a month that you probably not even going to
Joseph Okaly:notice. And it's all linear. So $200 a month over those same
Joseph Okaly:assumptions, 30 years, 8%, 300,000. So if you have a credit
Joseph Okaly:card bill that varies by $200 a month, you could probably afford
Joseph Okaly:to save $200 a month towards yourself over these next 30
Joseph Okaly:years and walk away with another $300,000 if those assumptions
Joseph Okaly:are true. So save more towards yourself. You're worth it! So
Joseph Okaly:hopefully everyone is now able to say the goal statement of "I
Joseph Okaly:better understand how impactful it can be to consistently push
Joseph Okaly:my savings just a little bit further."
Joseph Okaly:Number 7, Bingo! You Probably Own More Than the Market. Here
Joseph Okaly:we clarify what exactly "the market" is, and how in all
Joseph Okaly:likelihood your portfolio extends way beyond what they're
Joseph Okaly:even talking about on TV. "The market" is simply an index, a
Joseph Okaly:grouping of the largest 500 US companies. Just like the numbers
Joseph Okaly:that they pull for bingo, it doesn't mean that what they
Joseph Okaly:share on TV every night is actually what you have on your
Joseph Okaly:card. If you have a portfolio 50% the S&P then only 50% of
Joseph Okaly:what they talk about directly relates to you. And with US
Joseph Okaly:bonds, foreign bonds, small companies, real estate funds, so
Joseph Okaly:on and so on and so on that make up a true diversified portfolio,
Joseph Okaly:you likely have a lot more than just "the market" that they're
Joseph Okaly:discussing. So the goal statement here was, "I now
Joseph Okaly:better understand what they mean when they say 'the market', and
Joseph Okaly:how that may actually relate to my personal investments." And
Joseph Okaly:hopefully for you that's not true.
Joseph Okaly:Number 8, Emotionally Abnormal, Statistically Normal and Healthy
Joseph Okaly:Cookies. In this episode, we discussed how what may feel
Joseph Okaly:abnormal from an emotional standpoint can actually be very,
Joseph Okaly:very normal from a statistical standpoint. By knowing what
Joseph Okaly:normal is we can better protect against acting emotionally when
Joseph Okaly:it comes to our investments. When you use a mathematical
Joseph Okaly:statistically diversified portfolio, the goal is like that
Joseph Okaly:of a healthy cookie, we want the most delicious flavor that we
Joseph Okaly:can get for the least amount of unhealthy ingredients. The most
Joseph Okaly:return for the amount of risk we are willing to take. That's the
Joseph Okaly:goal. So normal for our 10% expected return portfolio, for
Joseph Okaly:example, was positive 22 to negative 2%. When we consider
Joseph Okaly:the risk number of the standard deviation, that thing that we
Joseph Okaly:all tend to just ignore standard deviation, that sounds a little
Joseph Okaly:too technical. I'll just ignore it and look at the return. So
Joseph Okaly:this is what should occur the majority of the time though,
Joseph Okaly:when we combine that standard deviation with the expected
Joseph Okaly:return. So 2 out of every 3 years that should hold true.
Joseph Okaly:That would be statistically normal. Now, the shorter the
Joseph Okaly:time period, the greater the chance for variation. Again,
Joseph Okaly:going back to that S&P 500 example since 1970, the worst
Joseph Okaly:single month for the market negative 21%. Very short period
Joseph Okaly:of time. The worst 15 year period, however, for that same
Joseph Okaly:period of time, positive 3.7%. So if you're able to say that
Joseph Okaly:goal statement of a "I now better understand how much up
Joseph Okaly:and down is normal for investments, so I'm better
Joseph Okaly:prepared to not freak out when it does", then you have
Joseph Okaly:succeeded here.
Joseph Okaly:Number 9, last episode here, Advice Should Trump Fees - The
Joseph Okaly:3% Study. We live in an increasingly fee focused society
Joseph Okaly:but in this episode, we reviewed in my opinion, how advice should
Joseph Okaly:be viewed in context compared to fees for that advice, and what
Joseph Okaly:studies have supported being true, namely Vanguard's 3%
Joseph Okaly:Study. The fear is not paying for advice, or it should not be
Joseph Okaly:paying for advice, it should be not getting something for that
Joseph Okaly:advice, not getting the value that you're paying for. If you
Joseph Okaly:go buy a Snickers bar, the Snickers bar is good. We just
Joseph Okaly:don't want to pay $13 for the Snickers bar, when we could buy
Joseph Okaly:it for $1. We want to get good value for what we are spending
Joseph Okaly:our money on. Vanguard, if you remember, is an incredibly fee
Joseph Okaly:conscious firm. Low fees are one of their bedrock principles of
Joseph Okaly:where they got to now. When they looked at where you put your
Joseph Okaly:money, where you take it out of and retirement, rebalancing,
Joseph Okaly:behavioral elements, they came up with over 3% per year in
Joseph Okaly:value provided by a proper advisor. 3% per year in inputs
Joseph Okaly:provided by a proper advisor. So we did our own example even. And
Joseph Okaly:we got to $1 million dollars in value over 30 years, really
Joseph Okaly:without too much difficulty. By saving a little bit more, having
Joseph Okaly:someone to push you to save a little bit more, increasing that
Joseph Okaly:a little bit more every year, taking advantage of things like
Joseph Okaly:company matches, using Roth retirement account, identifying
Joseph Okaly:where to take the money out of it really, really can add up. So
Joseph Okaly:if you can now say "I better understand how advice versus
Joseph Okaly:fees for that advice can separately affect my situation",
Joseph Okaly:then you've hit on the goal that we have for you here.
Joseph Okaly:And this is really the culmination of everything from
Joseph Okaly:this season. If you there is somebody out there who is
Joseph Okaly:wanting advice or who would benefit from advice, I don't
Joseph Okaly:want you to either be A) afraid of asking for that advice,
Joseph Okaly:because what you see on TV, or B) think that there's nobody out
Joseph Okaly:there that could help you. Are there bad advisors out there?
Joseph Okaly:Absolutely, just like every other industry. But if you look
Joseph Okaly:for one that does planning, look for one that does comprehensive
Joseph Okaly:work, look for one that's trying to really make your life more
Joseph Okaly:enjoyable. That's the goal of working with you not a big
Joseph Okaly:number on a piece of paper. It is out there, you can find it.
Joseph Okaly:So don't let fear or fee stop you from reaching your full
Joseph Okaly:potential.
Joseph Okaly:So that is it for this recap. Hopefully now you feel more
Joseph Okaly:confident, push that chest out a little bit more about
Joseph Okaly:investments, what to expect, maybe how to better utilize that
Joseph Okaly:now towards your goals. But more than anything, I hope you're not
Joseph Okaly:now afraid of investments, not afraid, again, to seek out
Joseph Okaly:advice. Because this is really the most important takeaway that
Joseph Okaly:I had. Investments I know is what everyone tends to focus on.
Joseph Okaly:But it's really just one piece of the puzzle. It's just one
Joseph Okaly:part of what a good comprehensive plan should
Joseph Okaly:actually include.
Joseph Okaly:Now for our next series to come. We all like stories, right?
Joseph Okaly:They're such a powerful tool. Stories have been around for
Joseph Okaly:centuries! Droning on and on about expected returns and
Joseph Okaly:standard deviations and statistical norms. I know I like
Joseph Okaly:that. But I also recognize that for most of the normal people
Joseph Okaly:out there, it's super boring. Stories are how we connect with
Joseph Okaly:our grandparents, our friends, our families, it's how as a
Joseph Okaly:race, we've passed morals and histories down for generations
Joseph Okaly:upon generations. It's how we put our children to bed every
Joseph Okaly:night. So let's see what it can do for our finances in our next
Joseph Okaly:series to come, The Financial Parables of Your Life. I'll be
Joseph Okaly:picking out the most memorable, unique, powerful stories to keep
Joseph Okaly:in your mind and on the right track financially.
Joseph Okaly:So that takes us to the end of this Raising Your Investment
Joseph Okaly:Mindset series. Take some time, review these important areas,
Joseph Okaly:and remember, if you can make one positive change, not 20, not
Joseph Okaly:5, not even 2, just 1. Then you're one further step along
Joseph Okaly:the path of having life be more enjoyable for you and your
Joseph Okaly:family. If you can absorb and implement all of them even
Joseph Okaly:better. That's fantastic. You know, having an idea that I
Joseph Okaly:could be helping people out there that I never meet. That's
Joseph Okaly:a really cool, amazing world that we live in. If you do
Joseph Okaly:happen to have questions that you want help in answering, if
Joseph Okaly:it's overwhelming, you just want somebody out there to help and
Joseph Okaly:do it for you reach out to me either through my website
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Joseph Okaly:management firm New Horizons Wealth Management at
Joseph Okaly:nhwmllc.com. I'd be happy to help. So thanks so much for
Joseph Okaly:joining me today and I can't wait to connect with you again
Joseph Okaly:soon.
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