Conductor Kristin returns with score in hand to finally discuss her long-anticipated musical episode. Laura's algorithm gives up. Xhafer has a moment of zen. Kristin can't abide corrupting Mom and Dad's love theme. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 17: Someone to Watch Over Me.

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Hey, listener.

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Quick content warning for this episode.

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There is a sexual assault and

an instance of kidnapping.

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If these things are gonna be

difficult for you to listen to,

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just go ahead and skip this one.

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There's still a couple episodes

of Battlestar Galactica.

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We'll catch up later

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Laura: Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast by a couple of former

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strangers who are now friends and

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I'm Laura

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Xhafer: And I'm Jafeir

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Laura: And today we have another friend

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Xhafer: We do.

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Hi, Kristen

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Kristin: Hey, y'all.

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Thanks for having me back.

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I am so excited to talk about

this episode with you guys

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Xhafer: you picked this one a while ago.

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this was like the one you wanted

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Kristin: It is definitely

the one I wanted.

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And my first time through Battlestar

was only, like, a year and a half ago.

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So I basically finished up

first watch through just in

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time to restart with you guys.

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And

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Laura: Amazing

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Kristin: me so much in the feels that

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Xhafer: Угу

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Kristin: gonna have guests again,

I messaged Afire right away and I

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was like, "This is the one I want.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Always.

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Xhafer: For sure

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Laura: Yeah.

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It was pretty easy to see

why you wanted this one.

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Kristin: Yeah?

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Because of the kidnapping?

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You're gonna

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Xhafer: Oh no.

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Kristin: right?

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Laura: nope,

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Xhafer: No,

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Laura: I'm

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Xhafer: that stays.

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Jokes during the content warning get cut.

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Jokes after the content

warning are fair game.

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Those be the rules.

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Laura: Yeah

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Kristin: have to break out my

99-page PDF of all of the music

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from the whole series just

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Laura: Oh.

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Kristin: episode.

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You can't

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Kristin: Laura, but very soon

I will share it with you.

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Laura: Okay.

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Kristin: is a, I mean, it's

published by Hal Leonard.

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It's Bear's own arrangements of

all of the music for solo piano.

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So I am

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Xhafer: Oh, that's cool

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Kristin: how I can program this

particular one with the sonata on

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a faculty recital at some point.

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I don't know.

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Laura: Oh, I would love that.

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I wanna see that.

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Yeah, so this is like a

full piece in the PDF?

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Kristin: Yeah, and actually on

the soundtrack, of the little

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bits that he writes are compiled

into one full-on piece, and

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Laura: Okay

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Kristin: a mid- middle, and an end.

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And the very end is the very

end of the episode where,

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Laura: Aha.

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Kristin: you know, he's

running around in the fantasy.

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I mean, not, not to jump

ahead for anybody, but,

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there are three tracks that are on

that out-of-tune piano in the bar, and

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Laura: Wow!

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Kristin: they are all…

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They're…

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It's really, really beautiful.

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You're gonna love being able to deep dive.

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Laura: I can't wait.

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Kristin: other seasons,

right, with the music?

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Laura: Yeah, so actually when I took

my comprehensive exams in June of

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this year, I had- I was allowed to

download music and listen to it.

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We weren't allowed to have internet

access, but they did allow us to download

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some music on our phones and have it

in airplane mode and play our music.

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And so I had this, the season soundtracks

for the seasons I have seen on there.

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But I'm specifically avoiding the

soundtrack for, you know, anything I

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hadn't fully seen yet, just in case

there's like a spoiler title of a piece.

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Kristin: Oh, there's

totally some spoiler titles,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: I'm glad it was a good instinct.

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Kristin: if you had heard this track,

this whole episode would've been spoiled

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for you because you would've instantly

known, like, "What is this thing?

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Oh,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Okay.

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Good.

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Xhafer: like, there couldn't be that many

spoilery titles in the songs that are

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left, so I just pulled up the soundtrack

while we were talking for season four.

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Oh, wow.

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Kristin: Thou shalt not

look at spoily titles.

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You've

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Kristin: good,

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Xhafer: C- can't yet

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Laura: It's been so good

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Kristin: been, like, hanging it up in

spoiler town to try to keep it away from

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Laura: Love it.

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You guys have done such a great job.

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It is insane that I could get through

this 20-year-old show without having

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been exposed to spoilers before or

getting exposed to spoilers during.

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It has been amazing

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Xhafer: The, the Turing

is honestly like the…

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I, I can't believe that just between,

like, your algorithm and everything,

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like knowing that I am searching

about Battlestar Galactica stuff

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and reading lots of stuff online

about Battlestar Galactica, knowing

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that the algorithm knows that

we're interacting, like wild to me

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Laura: I did make a big social media

pull back in general, and so I think

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my algorithm doesn't quite know what

to do with me anymore, which is fine.

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Like, let's

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: that way for a couple more weeks.

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Xhafer: All right.

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Well, Kristen, as is our way

here you've been on before, so

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we've asked you who are you?

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But now, like Mr.

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Borden, we get to ask, what do you want?

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Kristin: Wow.

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I mean, I want so many things.

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I want a reasonable

government for our country.

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I want

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Xhafer: Bless up

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Laura: mm-hmm.

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Kristin: I want all arts organizations

to be fully funded and able

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Laura: Amen

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Kristin: all of their works for

free for anyone who wants to come.

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I want a reasonable tax

structure for everyone.

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I mean, like, the list goes on.

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Laura: I know.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Mm.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Kristin: is silent after that

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Laura: I just don't…

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I, yeah, I mean, I d- don't know how

to help with these things anymore.

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I thought that we

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Xhafer: Vote.

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Laura: better.

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Kristin: Everyone please vote

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Laura: that's true.

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Tomorrow we have some state

questions I'm gonna go vote on.

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We have, mostly the runoff primary

stuff is all on the Republican side,

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which I'm not allowed to vote on.

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But I'm gonna do the state

questions for sure, for sure.

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And they're important.

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State runoffs, primary

runoffs, state questions, local

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elections, all very important,

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Xhafer: I got to vote in my primary

right before we left for Vegas

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Laura: Mm-hmm

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Kristin: That's awesome.

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I, I also was able to do that

right after I got home from Italy.

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For anybody who doesn't live in

the Discord, I spent the last

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six weeks conducting opera in

Italy, so I'm firmly home back in

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Wisconsin now, and really excited to

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Xhafer: Yeah yeah, we

should probably get into it.

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We got season four, episode

17, "Someone to Watch Over Me."

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We open at the piano at Joe's Bar being

played as the morning wake-up call goes.

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Starbuck sees her charred corpse

from Earth in her reflection.

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We see that-- We get that image a

number of times throughout this episode

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Laura: Yeah

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Kristin: And right away the

music starts playing, and that's

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why I picked this episode, duh.

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Right away we know it's gonna be a

big deal because it's solo piano, and

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there is almost nothing in the entire

catalog of this whole show that is only

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one instrument, much less a solo piano.

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It's also, for any music nerds, in

the key of D minor, which we know

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is the key of all things important,

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Laura: Mm, yes.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Kristin: deep and serious and

life-changing, and all about beyond

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this realm, which is also what

this episode ends up being about

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Is the fleeting piano of

Cylon bullshit just piano?

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I, I'm blanking on that now

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Xhafer: I don't think it is.

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I think it's a piano and,

and I think some strings.

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I think there are some strings attached to

it, but I'd have to go back and listen to-

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Laura: the base ship music.

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Xhafer: bass ship … the Season 3.

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Laura: s- base ship stuff

that kept happening.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I, I don't remember if

it's really solo cello or not.

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It's clearly the featured instrument, but

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: yeah

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Xhafer: Kira runs a CAG briefing.

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It's the same as last week, habitable

planet hunts and then patrols.

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They have a prize for the person who

finds their new home, the last paste

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of Toran toothpaste in existence

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Laura: Aw, a tube of

toothpaste is the prize.

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Like,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: we're at.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Kristin: of y'all really need it."

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I love that.

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I also love how this

scene was cut together,

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Laura: Угу

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Kristin: times that Starbuck has

gone through this speech, and

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we see her in the locker room.

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We see her in a bunch of different

outfits and a bunch of different hairdos.

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Like, clearly this is ev-

every briefing is this.

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She says the exact same words.

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And

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was really hit in the feels right

away when she's also got the cigarette

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lighter and holding it underneath her

hand just to try to feel something

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or to try to get her strength up

or wh- whatever that was about.

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But I was like, "Oh my God, this

is gonna be a really rough one."

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Xhafer: It is.

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she notes that the mutiny has

reduced the pilot corps so that

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Raptors are now flying solo instead

of having two or three people.

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When, when we started the show, they

were all crewed by three people.

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By the end of New Caprica, they

were all crewed by two people,

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and now they're down to one

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Laura: I had noticed the two.

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I hadn't noticed that we originally

started with crews of three.

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That's

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Xhafer: Yeah, you had a, the

pilot, co-pilot, and then you had

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someone manning the scanner in back

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Laura: Hmm.

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Now the pilot's trying to do all of it.

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Hmm.

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not great.

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Less than ideal

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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She tells them to jack

it as little as possible.

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Conserve that oxygen

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Laura: need your O two.

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Yep

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Xhafer: You're gone for six days looking

for planets jumping around, so Uh, we cut

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over to Adama's office where Tyrol tells

us Galactica only has a few jumps left.

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Laura: Yeah.

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So the goo's not cutting it, I guess?

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Xhafer: The goo is giving

them these couple of jumps.

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Laura: Oof.

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So the goo was not like

a, "We can do this."

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Xhafer: the goo is a Band-Aid.

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Yeah

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Laura: Mm.

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Okay.

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I was hoping we'd get more out

of it since it was gonna harden

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Xhafer: Well, we won't know

how much we get out of it.

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He tells us that the p- this is gonna

work by uh, D&D tavern shady corner rules.

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There will be exactly enough

corners for every interested party.

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There will be exactly as many

jumps as the plot needs it to have.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: So whatever that number is.

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Uh, We meet a Six named

Sonya is here as well.

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Probably…

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Kristin: Yeah

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Xhafer: There's a handful of unnamed

Sixes that are in relative, like,

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leadership positions that we've

seen over the course of the show.

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This could be the same Six that was on

the base star running things that we

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never got a name for that wasn't Caprica

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Laura: As far as we know, this is the

first time she's been named as Sonia

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Xhafer: she's going to be the Cylon

representative to the Quorum of

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Ships' Captains, which is a thing

that Lee mentioned doing a couple

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episodes ago and is now formed.

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Laura: Угу

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Xhafer: Twelve since they all be dead

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Laura: Yeah.

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Rosalyn is a little shaky throughout this,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: watching this happen.

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but Sonja wants for their first request,

I guess, that Boomer be released into

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their custody and basically because

they want to execute Boomer themselves.

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Yes?

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Yeah.

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Uh, Originally they were like,

"Oh, we're gonna ask for you

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guys to turn us over Boomer."

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And Tom was all like, "She shot me."

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And it's all like, "Oh, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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No, no, we're going to

try her for treason."

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: It's like, "Oh

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Kristin: because it isn't actually

because she shot Adama, it's

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because she sided with Cavil

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Laura: Yes

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Xhafer: Yes

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Kristin: War.

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But,

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Laura: Yes.

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The thing that means more to them, right?

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Xhafer: Uh, I mean, they probably…

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I mean, at the time, they were very

in support of her shooting Adama, so

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I don't know.

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I, I, I was envisioning if this

played out, if Boomer actually

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landed in their hands, that it would

be perhaps a conciliatory gesture

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to mention the shooting of Adama,

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Xhafer: Угу

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Laura: you know, she just tried

to throw it back in their face

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and be like, "Well, that was

'cause you wanted me to, bitches."

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Like, uh, but to, to tack that into

the trial and know, it, it could, hmm,

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feelings about capital punishment aside,

it could have been like a bridge building

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moment for them to try Boomer and find

her guilty, including these things.

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But not gonna get it

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Xhafer: Well, I mean, there's

three episodes of this show left.

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Did you think they were

gonna get another trial in?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Well, well we need Romo Lampkin.

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He could've been her defense attorney.

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Come on.

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Xhafer: Oh, well there's, there's hope for

Romo Lampkin making one last appearance.

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We'll see.

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We got a couple episodes.

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Yeah

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Laura: Uh, it seems weird for him

to just go out on what was he doing,

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dragging Anders to the med bay?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Be weird

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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But yeah, and like you mentioned,

they wanna-- they-- it's very clear

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that they're going to kill her.

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Capital punishment

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Our survivor count, 39,556.

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It's the same as last episode.

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No changes,

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Laura: For now

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Xhafer: for now.

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That changes this episode.

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The ship buckles a little and the power

flickers before we get to Cottle telling

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us about Anders' strange brainwaves.

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Ooh.

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Laura: He's a-beepin' and a-wavin'.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He's not conscious in any

meaningful way though.

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He's not technically brain dead,

but Cottle seems to think he's

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just Cylon brain dead probably

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Laura: His eyes are open

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Kristin: he tells Ellen off too.

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Like he says what everyone else is

thinking, which is like, you know, you

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are thinking that there is some hope to

be had, but you just need to like take

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all your woo-woo stuff and get outta here

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They're like chatting.

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They're like, "Maybe

his brain is rebooting.

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Maybe we can do the hybrid thing."

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Like, there's all this stuff that

they're just going back and forth on

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what the possibilities are, and Kyle's

just like, "Get the fuck outta here.

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Kristin: for the audience though, to like

go through all the possibilities of like

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what they aren't gonna do to Anders in the

last three episodes they have left of the

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Kristin: Also, his name

is Cottle, not Coddle.

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Like, he is not gonna help

them deal with their fifis

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Laura: That's true.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: I wonder though, like how

does Cottle think he knows more

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about Cylon biology than the Cylons?

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I guess probably because he was

watching the last episode and saw

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all their bullshit about reproduction

and not understanding it, I guess.

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Xhafer: They don't have a

great understanding of science.

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They also got plagued, like Cottle's…

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And I mean, he also was the doctor

on New Caprica for them, right?

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So like, he's seen some shit at this point

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Laura: Where is Simon?

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Where was Simon when all the doctoring

was happening, happening on New Caprica?

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I thought he was supposed

to be into that shit.

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Hmm

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Xhafer: he's a creepy doctor.

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You don't want him around.

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Laura: He is a creepy

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Xhafer: He is the worst

OBGYN in the universe,

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down.

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Don't even have to question.

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Anyways Cottle, after he tells

him to leave, tells Starbuck

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to, like, get out and live life.

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Like, "You need to go and do stuff.

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You can't just be sitting here all day.

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And when his status changes, you

will be the first person to know."

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Laura: I…

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I was thinking this was really harsh,

but also I guess the intro kind of set

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up for us that we've been doing something

for a while now, like we've been looking

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Xhafer: It's been weeks on weeks.

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Yeah

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Laura: okay.

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That…

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Okay, I will accept that.

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If

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: in between, that's

a little weird, Cottol.

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Xhafer: we cut over to Joe's

where Slick, that's this

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character's name, if you didn't…

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I don't think they say it.

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I don't think they say it in the episode.

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I got it from the Wiki.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Slick works on

composing much to Kara's chagrin

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Kristin: There's this wonderful quote

banter that they have, and she says, you

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know, "When did music stop one missile?"

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And it reminded me of this really

amazing quote from Leonard Bernstein,

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one of America's most important

conductors, and I mean, just musicians

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and educators in general, and where

he very famously said, "This will be

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our reply to violence, to make music

more intensely, more beautifully,

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more devotedly than ever before."

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And this first conversation sets up-

The whole dialogue that they're gonna

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keep having for the rest of the episode

about why music is so important.

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And as we start finding out more about

her relationship with her father and his

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music, we get some more windows into her.

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But in general, I love that

they managed to write an entire

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sci-fi episode that's really an

exploration of the power of music

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Tyrol is working in season eight, and

he remembers every ironic thing he

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said when he wasn't aware he was a

Cylon as part of their relationship

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and the afterwards bit to Boomer.

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He just, like, runs through

his head all the time.

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He's like, "I don't

know, you're a machine.

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You have programmed feelings.

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How can you know you love me?"

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All of that shit

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Laura: Hmm.

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Yes.

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Kristin: And in the background

is all this emo music.

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I'm probably gonna say that kind

of stuff a lot in this episode, so

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just like fast-forward through me,

listeners, if you get bored of Kristin

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talking about her feelings and music.

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But I…

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He can deny all he wants because

the music is telling the truth about

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what he's actually experiencing

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Xhafer: Угу

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Laura: He does snap out of it

because of a power outage, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah, there's another…

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There's lots of those this episode

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Laura: We had Six's paint and

goo last episode, and this

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Xhafer: Угу

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Laura: we've got bad things

happening to Ship all the time

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Kira goes to Hilo and Athena's uh, as

he has gone and gathered all of her

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personal effects that were auctioned off

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Laura: Yeah.

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I thought this was a fun bit

of world-building business.

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I hadn't thought about where

people's stuff goes when they

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die in this universe, really.

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It doesn't go away.

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We d- we only have finite stuff,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: there's

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Xhafer: Estate sales it is

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Laura: Yeah.

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But he got, he got it all

back, but she doesn't want it.

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she keeps a single cassette tape, and

Harry gives her a picture of stars.

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I, I didn't catch the

name on it, actually.

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Do

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Xhafer: Mm.

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Laura: Can we tell me?

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Xhafer: We can t- we

can, we can tell, right?

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Kristin: Yeah.

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Xhafer: it have, did it have

the first name on there?

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Kristin: yes, it had

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Xhafer: Okay

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Kristin: names on

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Laura: Oh, well it had, it

had something about Thrace, so

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: her dad's music, 'cause we knew

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Kristin: Well, so

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Laura: her…

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Kristin: track what it was

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, it's her dad's music

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Laura: what anything else about it really.

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Xhafer: I only wrote down a joke

about it being the demo tape for

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Kara Thrace and her special destiny.

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Laura: Mm.

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Xhafer: but I didn't wanna

ruin the moment there.

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Tyrol goes to see Boomer.

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She says that she's fucked up a lot.

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Laura: We should all

feel very worried here.

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That's what I wrote down first, was

like, I was, I was not into this.

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I, I don't have a redemption

arc for Boomer, really, that

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doesn't involve going to the

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: for a little bridge building.

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I was very skeezed out by the

whole scene, and then we do this,

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like, touchy glass thing we're

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Xhafer: Yeah Yeah.

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They, uh, when they touch, Galen is

transported to Boomer's mind palace

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and slash dreamscape slash throne

world slash whatever we call these.

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I think, I think mind palace.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Palace a lot

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Xhafer: Galen is not okay with this

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, so my understanding was this

is a house they talked about

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building on PyCon or having on PyCon

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Xhafer: Yes

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Laura: but they, they weren't together

before everything, so this is a,

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Xhafer: They, they, yeah, they,

well, they were together before

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the genocide and the diaspora.

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Laura: Oh, they were?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

506

They were s- they were

both serving on Galactica

507

Laura: Okay.

508

But they didn't have a home together.

509

Xhafer: No

510

Laura: Yeah, this freaks him out, and he

should stay freaked out, you dumb dummy.

511

Kristin: Listeners, I should just say

that Laura's screen name tonight is

512

Tyrrell is a thicky thicky dum-dum

513

Laura: 'Cause he

514

Xhafer: It is, 'cause he is

515

Kara checks in with Slick's composition

status, and it's starting to come together

516

And then we get the final four

again, sorry Anders uh, the fuck

517

around four again, I should say,

518

Laura: Mm-hmm.

519

Xhafer: the pending trial of Boomer.

520

Where this is where they

acknowledge that she gonna die

521

Laura: Yeah.

522

specifically she w, is not gonna weigh in.

523

Like, it seems like they want her to

have some sort of definitive s- voice in

524

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

525

Laura: and she says, "Nope, I'm

not going to make myself a god.

526

But I will testify on her behalf and talk

about how she me from Cavill's clutches."

527

but that's it.

528

Kristin: I thought this was really

interesting because we've seen a lot

529

of the humans of cowing to the Cylons

because we need their stuff, right?

530

We need their technology.

531

We

532

Xhafer: Yeah

533

Kristin: goo to fix Galactica.

534

Laura: Yep

535

Kristin: One of the only times we

see that the Cylons are actually

536

contributing something to this

partnership other than, like, they need

537

to know where Earth is or whatever.

538

Like, they…

539

I, I just have felt up until right now

that the partnership was so lopsided, and

540

this decision of Ellen and then everybody

else as well not to try to interfere

541

with the trial, to actually have a trial,

and to do something with human-style

542

justice, I was like, "Huh, well, okay.

543

Maybe we are gonna try to work

together in a more equal kind of way."

544

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

545

Laura: It was very hopeful for a minute.

546

Xhafer: Yep

547

Laura: But Tyrion's gonna

go back and visit Boomer, so

548

Xhafer: Yeah.

549

Well, before he does, did you notice

what they were drinking at the uh,

550

aforementioned Cylon McLaughlin Group?

551

Laura: Do they have more brown booze?

552

Xhafer: No, they had green booze.

553

They had algae green booze.

554

Kristin: Fluorescent

555

Xhafer: Yep

556

Laura: There's our algae booze.

557

Xhafer: Yeah.

558

I just wanted to bring that up for Elliot.

559

Laura: Beautiful.

560

Xhafer: Tyrrell and Boomer talk more

about her mind palace, and when he goes

561

back in, he eventually sees age markers

on the wall donating height and years,

562

Laura: Угу

563

Xhafer: and then goes to

meet their virtual daughter

564

Laura: Yeah.

565

Okay.

566

Kristin: I found it sweet, but also

so disturbing because it was so sweet.

567

Um, for any musicians keeping track,

Boomer and Tyrell's love theme is a

568

fragmented version of Rosalind Adama,

which I'm sorry, bear, me no likey this.

569

Do not corrupt Mama and Daddy's love

theme with whatever the heck this is.

570

Laura: I do love Mommy

and Daddy's love theme.

571

I will admit it.

572

Kristin: when you go back and listen, what

you hear is that phrase that's made up

573

of eight notes is only made up of three

notes, plus three notes, plus two notes.

574

It's the same notes, but

575

Laura: Угу

576

Kristin: groups.

577

I, I don't know if he did that on purpose.

578

I mean, most musicians

579

Laura: Surely

580

Kristin: But

581

Laura: Yeah.

582

Kristin: Because it was so clever

and I heard it, and then I was

583

just like, "Oh, no, you didn't.

584

You did not ruin mommy and

daddy's theme for this."

585

Laura: Yeah, but I mean, if it- w- we

gotta start laying that, like, groundwork

586

that we shouldn't trust this, and

that is just such a great subliminal

587

way to make people feel unsettled

with this thing that is very creepy.

588

Xhafer: Yeah

589

Laura: she's vividly imagined their

child in all this time when was

590

probably pretty upset at her still.

591

She's been having these vivid

ideas about their life anyway.

592

It's kind of creepy, right?

593

Kristin: It's super

594

Xhafer: sure.

595

Yeah

596

Kristin: I mean, you would

think that something like this

597

mind palace involves consent.

598

Xhafer: Yeah

599

Kristin: the second time he's gone, he's

consented, and then he acts like he's

600

having a good time while he's in there.

601

Laura: Yeah,

602

Kristin: They

603

Laura: he sh-

604

Kristin: to him in the, in the real

world, you know, laughing and, and

605

crying with joy, and I'm just like,

"Oh, dude, this is not gonna end well."

606

Laura: No, it's not.

607

Ugh, shouldn't, uh…

608

Projection is always kind of unsettling,

I think, but, ah, have been some that

609

have been a little more, mm, useful,

like, to the participants than others.

610

This is not good.

611

Xhafer: And I mean, even, like, later in

the episode when Galen goes to Rosalind

612

to be all like, "Hey, don't send Boomer

over," she's immediately just like, "The

613

fact that you're here saying that tells me

I need to fucking do it because there's s-

614

they be schemin' and I ain't having it."

615

Laura: Yep.

616

Xhafer: What'd she say?

617

The very image of deceit or something?

618

Like, it's-

619

Laura: strongly worded, yes.

620

Xhafer: Anyways back to Slick and Kara.

621

He starts noodling and then this

turns into a Daniel Thresher video

622

as Kara tells him all about, one, her

musical knowledge, but also about her

623

past and learning piano from her dad

624

Laura: Yeah, this is where

I put my tinfoil hat on and

625

I was like, "He is her dad."

626

Xhafer: I mean

627

I wouldn't get too

attached, Teddy Theories.

628

Yeah.

629

Wait, wait.

630

I said maybe

631

Laura: Well, so I turn, I

turned to Aaron and I was like,

632

"Okay, here's my tinfoil hat.

633

He is her dad."

634

And then I was like, "I don't know,

this guy is also kind of like…

635

He's got that kind of

dirty dude Leoben vibes

636

Xhafer: Right?

637

There's some Liev Schreiber vibes.

638

Did you look into this actor at all?

639

Laura: I did not.

640

I'm not googling nothing

641

Xhafer: Okay

642

Kristin: smart.

643

He's an interesting…

644

He's got an interesting career.

645

I also

646

Xhafer: Yeah.

647

Kristin: really quick,

Jafare, before you talk

648

Xhafer: Yeah

649

Kristin: career, he was actually playing

650

Laura: Oh, okay.

651

Kristin: he was really playing because

there were two panning shots that started

652

on his hands and then panned out, and

it was really him, and he was really

653

Xhafer: Yeah

654

Kristin: I usually hate music in shows

where they're, they've hired actors who

655

have absolutely no clue what they're

doing, but this dude ha- had at least

656

enough of a clue to play those passages

657

Xhafer: I, I see so much wrong guitar

playing in media, it drives me wild.

658

Almost as much as wrong sword fighting

in movies dri- drives me wild, but

659

that one is just a foregone conclusion.

660

Laura: Yeah

661

Xhafer: a- actors can be reasonably

expected to be a musician sometimes.

662

Actual sword fighting is not dramatic.

663

Well, it's just that a sword

fight shouldn't last more than

664

15 to 30 seconds, full stop.

665

Laura: Oh sh, Starbucks sees

666

Xhafer: Oh, she has the dream.

667

Yeah, she's got the dream where she's a

kid playing on the upright as a child.

668

Laura: Uh-huh.

669

Xhafer: also it's her burnt corpse again

670

Laura: Yep.

671

Surprise.

672

Kristin: So

673

definitely an entry on Bear McCreary's

blog that I recommend reading.

674

Laura, not till you're done with the show,

675

Laura: Of course

676

Kristin: interesting all that

they had to go through to take a

677

brand new upright piano and make

it look like a piece of crap.

678

a huge amount of detail on his blog about

everything they had to do and then also

679

how they decided not to tune it after

they had beaten the crap out of it.

680

Of course, it's all out of tune and

then he decided he liked the sound

681

that, that it would be a really

unique sound only for this episode.

682

So that's what…

683

So you won't hear any other out-of-tune

piano the rest of the soundtrack

684

Laura: amazing

685

Xhafer: How Because there's live

performances of most of this

686

stuff, 'cause Freddie Mercury did

that big concert after the show.

687

Did they just

688

Kristin: Right

689

Xhafer: not use any of

the pieces from this?

690

Because you couldn't…

691

Getting a t- a piano exactly as out of

tune as a piano, another piano is, is…

692

Kristin: I

693

Xhafer: That, that's harder.

694

That's harder than tuning a piano, right?

695

Like, that's insane.

696

Like, to get it cl- I mean, maybe

it's just close enough or maybe

697

they wrote the frequencies of every

string down and just made it happen.

698

It's…

699

I don't know how else you'd do it

700

Kristin: The,

701

Laura: to watch that concert

702

Kristin: about that, about

they sampled the entire piano.

703

Xhafer: Okay

704

Kristin: And so it becomes its own sound

705

Xhafer: Oh, you know, yeah,

he's playing a keyboard.

706

Yeah, okay.

707

Yeah.

708

All right.

709

Okay.

710

I've reconciled my memory with reality.

711

Laura: I'm

712

Xhafer: Important.

713

Laura: one of us could do that

714

Xhafer: It's important to try that,

give that a go every once in a while.

715

I highly recommend it to everyone.

716

Yeah, just full stop, everyone.

717

Um, so she grabs her dog tags

after waking up in the middle of

718

the night, and she goes to talk to

Slick, and he gets the whole story.

719

I don't think anyone else has gotten

the whole story except for Leoben

720

Laura: Yeah.

721

Yeah, Leoben was there, so he knows it.

722

Xhafer: Yeah

723

Laura: But it does not seem

like we've thought to talk to

724

our bestie Lee or Daddy Adama

725

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

726

Laura: anybody.

727

upset that she's feeling completely

lost, but possibly dad says maybe

728

she's right where she needs to be

729

Xhafer: Yeah.

730

Uh, After this is we get the scene with

Tiro and the president that we already

731

talked about where he asks her not to sign

the transfer order, and then she, like,

732

stares him in the eyes as she signs it.

733

Laura: Yeah.

734

dismissed.

735

Xhafer: Yeah

736

Laura: She's right though, man.

737

She's so right.

738

Sometimes I know people have feelings

about things that Rosalind does, but

739

sometimes she's, like, super right.

740

Xhafer: This is a time

where she is very correct.

741

But Tyrrell is pissed and is going to be

doing something that we see in a little

742

bit before Kara and Slick talk about

both daddy issues and being daddy issues

743

Laura: Yeah.

744

She asks about his wife leaving,

and he's like, "Well, how

745

did you know she left me?"

746

she's like, "Duh."

747

He says, "Well, she wanted me to

make real money and stop playing

748

the piano, and I couldn't do that."

749

And Starbuck is like,

"You're just like my dad."

750

and she chews him out

over those feelings, so.

751

next note is just, "Tyrol, you bastard."

752

Xhafer: Yeah.

753

So we see the chief, like before

we got the scene where it was like

754

kind of ambiguous what was going on

755

Laura: Mm-hmm.

756

Xhafer: saw the chief grab a wrench.

757

Yeah.

758

But now we know what exactly

he had done, which was he had

759

knocked out another Sharon and has

replaced the one in the cell, yep

760

Laura: Not, not cool, man.

761

Not cool

762

Xhafer: We cut back to Kara and Slick,

where she starts trying to remember the

763

song that her dad taught her and only

manages the first couple of notes, but

764

you can tell when you hear those notes,

you feel something deep in your soul

765

and you know what's about to happen.

766

Laura: Yeah.

767

This song makes her happy and sad.

768

She knows that.

769

She remembers that.

770

but she can't remember, and then he left

her forever, and she's just very sad.

771

And even though he keeps trying to

place her hands on the keys, she's

772

like, "No, no, you, you just play.

773

I can't do it."

774

Xhafer: We see Boomer running into Athena.

775

Boomer knocks her out and

trades places with Athena now.

776

Helo comes in, he makes a pass at

who he thinks is his wife, and we

777

see Athena tied up in a stall, and

she has to watch that terribleness.

778

Laura: Yeah

779

S

780

Kristin: of this

781

Xhafer: this

782

Kristin: so much a part of why we are

all ready to vomit because the, all the

783

Laura: Mm-hmm.

784

Kristin: of, you know, just her,

blood coming out of her nose, and

785

then her looking the other direction,

and it's all out of focus, but

786

the sounds are not out of focus.

787

I mean, they, they clearly thought

through this whole sequence with as

788

much detail as you would have to.

789

Laura: Yeah.

790

And it's just kind of sad that

we have seen multiple Cylons

791

immediately clock that this is

Boomer, and yet Helo cannot do it.

792

don't know why.

793

it seems to be a supernatural thing for

794

Xhafer: The Cylons to be

able to identify each other.

795

Laura: Угу

796

Xhafer: wasn't able to do it

until he knew he was a Cylon

797

Laura: Yeah, I guess that's true.

798

Xhafer: 'Cause we've had times with

him c- get confused before, yeah

799

Laura: Okay.

800

Dang.

801

You feel

802

Xhafer: Yep

803

Laura: Helo then though, 'cause we've

seen these other characters do it,

804

and he just gets so easily duped, and

you just feel kinda bad for the guy

805

Xhafer: Yes.

806

It's, it sucks.

807

I was just like, "Hilo, no."

808

Like, "You don't know what

you're doing, clearly."

809

Like, "You're not at

fault in any way here."

810

Laura: Right.

811

Xhafer: And, um, you're just

like, you just want it to stop

812

and you just want it to be over.

813

I was immensely uncomfortable

814

Laura: Yes.

815

Yes.

816

We get another, like, sad Cylon

McLoughlin group as Saul, Tori,

817

and Ellen are all drinking.

818

Xhafer: Yep

819

Laura: I don't know if they

say anything important.

820

I just noted they're drinking.

821

Xhafer: They're drinking and while

they're drinking we see Kara at the

822

piano trying to remember her dad's song.

823

She starts to write it out and lay it out,

and she realizes that Hera had written

824

it out in her drawing of the stars that

she gave her earlier in the episode

825

Laura: Yeah.

826

I, I clocked these as, you

know, check-off stars, and I was

827

Xhafer: Yeah

828

Laura: I was thinking, 'cause we'd

had all that lead up to, you know,

829

we're looking for a new planet.

830

We, we, like, need to

831

Xhafer: Угу

832

Laura: somehow these stars are

going to lead us to the planet.

833

I didn't think of it as music notes.

834

I guess the stars still could

lead us to a planet somehow.

835

We have three episodes left.

836

Xhafer: Yeah.

837

Laura: wrong.

838

Um-

839

Xhafer: be stuff.

840

There will be plot events that

happen in the next three episodes.

841

Some of them you may like,

842

Laura: Yeah

843

Xhafer: you probably won't Mm-hmm.

844

Kristin: will see you in spoiler town to

discuss this very last 30 seconds of this

845

Laura: Cool

846

Xhafer: Yep.

847

But yeah, so she uh, she takes the,

the drawing and overlays it on a music

848

staff and ta-da, and they start playing.

849

And the Fuck Around Four all turn

around like, "What the actual

850

fuck is happening right now?"

851

As it very apparently is all

along the Watchtower once again

852

Laura: Yeah.

853

It came back

854

Kristin: I'm gonna interject something

from Bear's blog here because

855

Xhafer: Yeah

856

Kristin: They filmed all of the stuff

in Joe's Bar at the, at like the middle

857

towards the end of the shooting schedule.

858

Laura: Okay

859

Xhafer: Угу

860

Kristin: as they were sort of cleaning

up from the night and everyone is leaving

861

the set, he sits at the piano and he's…

862

The, the day before they had done the

filming, he had sat there and sort of

863

some stuff and, and the, the things

that actually then became the sonata,

864

and then some other tracks that he was

forming ideas about for the other scenes

865

of the episode that had yet to be shot.

866

he, when he actually played this

improvisation and then led into, and then

867

he starts just grinding out Watchtower,

and literally the whole cast starts coming

868

back to the set and just gathering around.

869

And, and there's accounts of them

being in tears and just so moved,

870

because they've been working on

the show for so long, and they

871

Laura: Угу

872

Kristin: the song, and oh my

God, this is actually what it is.

873

So the scene that we see in the episode

is actually a mirror of something that

874

had happened the night before on the

875

Laura: That's

876

Xhafer: Cool

877

Laura: Yeah.

878

Xhafer: That's real cool.

879

Yeah They ask her how she knows it.

880

She says she learned it from her dad

881

Laura: Yeah

882

Xhafer: And

883

Laura: interesting.

884

Xhafer: that's more questions than answers

885

Laura: Uh-huh.

886

I have some theories we can

talk about at the end, but

887

Xhafer: Okay

888

Kristin: Well, the last time that we heard

solo piano in this show was in Valley

889

of Darkness episode, which is when Kara

and Helo went to Caprica and listened

890

to the tapes of Kara's father playing.

891

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

892

Kristin: only other time

we've had solo piano

893

Laura: Yeah.

894

Okay, I forgot about those tapes too.

895

Kinda wish I had filed

something away about that, but

896

Xhafer: Boomer tries to get the chief

to leave with her, but he doesn't.

897

Athena makes it to the CAG briefing in

time to alert CIC about what is going on.

898

But Boomer is gonna go regardless.

899

She even starts spooling up

FTL, which given her proximity

900

being inside the landing pods,

would be disastrous to the ship.

901

You can't jump that close.

902

I feel like we've seen ships jump

super close to Galactica before

903

though, when it wasn't a plot point,

when they weren't bringing it up.

904

I feel like we've seen

Raptors like not be that…

905

be as far as this Raptor is when it jumps,

and it was fine, and not a plot point.

906

But I, I understand what they need

to do here, so I'm not fighting it.

907

Laura: Yeah.

908

Well, Galactic is like falling apart now.

909

They've said it over and over and over.

910

Xhafer: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

911

It, it could have been fine

earlier, but is not fine now.

912

That's reasonable but they

start retracting the pods

913

so that she can't get away.

914

She zooms out of there, clips the wing

of the Raptor on the way out and causes

915

her to be very unstable as she jumps.

916

And when she does jump, we see the

implosion on the side of the ship

917

severely damage Galactica's hull

918

Laura: Yes.

919

And in all this, Rosalyn has she's

known s- that something's up with Hera,

920

Xhafer: Yeah

921

Laura: and she passes out

922

Xhafer: We didn't even talk about it.

923

Boomer totally fucking kidnaps Hera

in here and stashes her in the Raptor

924

Laura: Yes, she was in the supply crate,

925

Xhafer: Yeah

926

Laura: the pilots have been taking

out six days worth of rations or

927

whatever on their, their trip.

928

Xhafer: Угу

929

Laura: Roslin, I think when we see,

like, the kidnapping take place, when,

930

Boomer shows up at daycare and checks

her out Roslin is shown getting anxious.

931

And then when she jumps away with

Hera, Roslin full on passes out.

932

So there's still some kind

of connection it seems,

933

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

934

Laura: house and all that

935

Xhafer: Yeah, uh, it's not done.

936

You know, Rosalyn's got the shakes

and she collapses, like you said.

937

It's not, … I don't know if you

caught, just on the edge of the

938

frame, a guard comes to her aid

939

Laura: Yes.

940

We do have a guard that's

like calling for assistance,

941

Xhafer: Yeah

942

Laura: yeah.

943

Somehow Tyrell, a big dumb idiot, is

944

Xhafer: Yeah

945

Laura: this would happen, that

also not only did she escape,

946

but she took Hera with her.

947

Like,

948

Xhafer: Yeah

949

Laura: dumbity dum-dum.

950

Xhafer: Yeah.

951

When he realizes that he's not just

implicated in freeing her but also in

952

kidnapping Hera, he starts running.

953

He enters Boomer's mind palace to find

it empty their virtual child gone.

954

He realizes this was all

just a manipulation of him

955

Laura: Yep.

956

Yep.

957

Ellen also says it as they sit

in the daycare, I think her

958

Xhafer: Yes.

959

Laura: trying to

960

Xhafer: Yes

961

Laura: She's like, "Wow, this whole

thing was a setup to get Hera.

962

wasn't even like, you know, he, he

used me as a chip to get Hera, Cavill.

963

It wasn't about us or the

final five or, or anything.

964

He just wants this kid."

965

Xhafer: Mhm

966

Laura: And

967

Xhafer: It's almost like he has a plan

968

Laura: also Ty is like, "How did she

know the notes to that freaking song?"

969

Which we're all wondering.

970

Thank you, Saul.

971

Xhafer: Yeah

972

Laura: But Ellen's come down to like,

"We need to get Anders help somehow."

973

Xhafer: Угу.

974

Laura: and Starbuck playing dad's

cassettes to Anders, so maybe,

975

Xhafer: Hmm.

976

Laura: helpful

977

Xhafer: May be helpful

978

Kristin: There was one thing that

we, we talked around but we didn't

979

Laura: Okay

980

Kristin: which is when Starbuck

accuses Slick of plagiarism

981

Laura: Mm, yes.

982

Xhafer: Yeah

983

Kristin: So, and that little moment

is all, it's completely made up.

984

There is no Nomi and Nomayan.

985

There, there, that's not a real composer

in our world, but it's clearly a very

986

famous piece in, in that universe.

987

Laura: Mm-hmm.

988

Sure

989

Kristin: think it was funny that

the correct pronunciation of the

990

composer is Nomayan, as in he's,

like, not going to predict the future.

991

He's not a Mayan.

992

Laura: Yeah, this show likes that stuff

993

Kristin: I…

994

Did you notice the notes that just sort

of played, and then he went on and,

995

and then they became the improvisation?

996

Did, did those…

997

Did, did that melody track for you at all?

998

Laura: Didn't clock for me

999

Kristin: I- it didn't track for

me either until the very end.

00:47:05,295 --> 00:47:05,905

Laura: Okay

00:47:06,246 --> 00:47:11,036

Kristin: So if you go back and watch this

episode, and you look at that, that…

00:47:11,066 --> 00:47:16,616

It's, it's like a bit where he just sort

of, like, plays some notes, and then

00:47:16,646 --> 00:47:20,676

that is actually what expands into the

00:47:20,691 --> 00:47:21,181

Laura: Okay

00:47:21,386 --> 00:47:24,806

Kristin: I mean, like, Kara is playing

the melody, but then that other

00:47:25,257 --> 00:47:26,737

Xhafer: Угу

00:47:26,946 --> 00:47:31,196

Kristin: what becomes the,

the inner voice the sonata

00:47:32,175 --> 00:47:32,775

Laura: Uh-huh.

00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:35,740

Xhafer: Yeah, it's nifty.

00:47:36,060 --> 00:47:38,460

The, the, the music in

this show is so good.

00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:41,330

Bear McCreary is so good.

00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,830

He, he earned every piece of acclaim

he received for all of this work

00:47:48,708 --> 00:47:49,098

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:49,948 --> 00:47:54,628

uh, Apple Music algorithm keeps suggesting

to me more Bear McCreary properties, and

00:47:54,628 --> 00:48:01,448

I'm like, "Yes, I don't know anything

about whatever this show is or this

00:48:01,458 --> 00:48:04,378

video game is, but that sounds cool.

00:48:04,568 --> 00:48:05,078

Thanks."

00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:06,290

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:06,570 --> 00:48:07,250

It's great.

00:48:07,310 --> 00:48:08,780

He's done so much stuff.

00:48:09,175 --> 00:48:10,865

Uh, You know, Outlander,

00:48:11,408 --> 00:48:12,258

Kristin: Rings of Power

00:48:12,806 --> 00:48:13,616

Xhafer: Rings of Power,

00:48:13,824 --> 00:48:14,154

Laura: Was he

00:48:14,186 --> 00:48:16,636

Xhafer: God of War Ragnarok, God of War.

00:48:17,296 --> 00:48:20,546

He w- I think he did the most

recent season of Foundation.

00:48:20,556 --> 00:48:22,806

He might not have been the first,

but I think he was the most recent

00:48:22,990 --> 00:48:23,330

Laura: OK

00:48:24,518 --> 00:48:25,588

Xhafer: All kinds of stuff.

00:48:25,728 --> 00:48:26,138

Yeah.

00:48:26,998 --> 00:48:28,028

Yeah, he's out there working.

00:48:28,729 --> 00:48:29,859

But that's the episode.

00:48:31,129 --> 00:48:34,989

It's time to rate this on a

scale of one to 12 colonies.

00:48:34,999 --> 00:48:37,279

Kristen, as our guest, of

course, you're going first

00:48:37,405 --> 00:48:38,775

Kristin: is 13 out of 12.

00:48:38,805 --> 00:48:41,825

And there's a bunch of things actually

that we can't talk about today

00:48:43,021 --> 00:48:44,241

Laura: Oh, man.

00:48:44,345 --> 00:48:46,285

Kristin: become the super secret 13th.

00:48:46,725 --> 00:48:51,405

Um, I'm not gonna say it's the super

secret thir- 13th, 13th Cylon, but for

00:48:51,415 --> 00:48:56,545

me, there are things that Jafer and I

have deliberately skipped over today.

00:48:57,495 --> 00:49:02,025

so we will see you in spoiler

town, those of you who have access.

00:49:02,523 --> 00:49:03,843

Laura: This is unfair.

00:49:04,155 --> 00:49:04,825

Kristin: No, it's not.

00:49:04,825 --> 00:49:08,235

There's stuff in every

episode that, you know,

00:49:08,317 --> 00:49:08,807

Xhafer: Oh, yeah

00:49:08,827 --> 00:49:10,217

Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:10,827 --> 00:49:12,317

Xhafer: There's, there's been so much.

00:49:12,607 --> 00:49:14,227

There's been so much.

00:49:14,955 --> 00:49:15,355

Laura: Man.

00:49:15,535 --> 00:49:17,135

Okay, c- well, okay.

00:49:17,615 --> 00:49:21,835

I will give my rating, and then can

we talk crazy theory for a second?

00:49:21,871 --> 00:49:22,431

Kristin: Of course.

00:49:22,471 --> 00:49:22,851

Put your,

00:49:22,853 --> 00:49:23,413

Xhafer: Of course.

00:49:23,743 --> 00:49:24,043

Yeah

00:49:24,211 --> 00:49:24,571

Kristin: girl

00:49:26,285 --> 00:49:26,725

Xhafer: That's what we're here for

00:49:28,395 --> 00:49:29,165

Laura: Rating.

00:49:29,295 --> 00:49:35,945

I f- I like this one a lot, um, is kinda

weird to me for, like, you know, what are

00:49:35,945 --> 00:49:38,325

we, four episodes away now from the final?

00:49:38,703 --> 00:49:39,023

Xhafer: Yeah

00:49:39,325 --> 00:49:44,505

Laura: Um, feel like usually we're

getting some kind of stuff before we

00:49:44,505 --> 00:49:47,625

ramp up to the really exciting stuff.

00:49:47,635 --> 00:49:53,375

But for me, like, the, the

world-building of the music, super fun.

00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,420

still asking a lot of questions about

Cara, which, please, thank you, I

00:49:58,690 --> 00:50:00,580

have a lot of questions about Cara.

00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,400

I do hate Tyrell's business.

00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,280

Like,

00:50:05,913 --> 00:50:06,523

Xhafer: That's fair.

00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,380

Laura: what are you freaking doing?

00:50:08,573 --> 00:50:09,253

Xhafer: He done fucked up

00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:12,130

Laura: I really was hoping

there was a chance for some

00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:13,820

bridge-building with Cylons.

00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:17,400

You know, 'cause we had, we had

this discussion last week that

00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,340

I kinda thought, like, Gaius was

gonna be some bridge-building,

00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:23,220

then that didn't seem to happen.

00:50:24,050 --> 00:50:27,850

And now we've had another shot at,

like, okay, well maybe we can s-

00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:31,720

reconcile differences a little bit, and

00:50:32,013 --> 00:50:32,213

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:50:32,810 --> 00:50:35,623

Laura: that just uh, away in a raptor.

00:50:36,194 --> 00:50:39,776

So, the Tyrell business,

I kinda wanna fuck that.

00:50:40,216 --> 00:50:46,106

But the rest of it is super fun, and I

really enjoyed all the musical stuff,

00:50:46,396 --> 00:50:49,976

so I guess I'll still give it an 11

00:50:50,770 --> 00:50:52,810

Xhafer: I want to acknowledge Kristen.

00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:53,410

I see you.

00:50:54,110 --> 00:50:56,270

The 13th, the 13 rating.

00:50:56,340 --> 00:50:57,270

I know what you're doing right now.

00:50:57,790 --> 00:51:00,480

Um, we'll talk about it in Spoiler Town.

00:51:01,169 --> 00:51:01,759

Uh

00:51:01,833 --> 00:51:05,613

Kristin: I actually was gonna say,

can we do, like, a spoiler section

00:51:05,613 --> 00:51:08,963

of this episode where just you and I

talk for, like, the last five minutes?

00:51:10,004 --> 00:51:11,124

Laura: No, 'cause I'm gonna listen to it.

00:51:11,124 --> 00:51:11,744

You can't do it.

00:51:11,744 --> 00:51:12,444

I'm so sorry.

00:51:12,517 --> 00:51:15,287

Kristin: after, after we finish

this series, then, then we will

00:51:15,287 --> 00:51:17,337

talk for real about all this stuff.

00:51:17,502 --> 00:51:18,022

Laura: We can have

00:51:18,085 --> 00:51:18,345

Xhafer: Okay.

00:51:18,412 --> 00:51:19,242

Laura: bonus chat.

00:51:19,412 --> 00:51:19,702

Yeah

00:51:21,063 --> 00:51:21,603

What's your rating?

00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:29,229

Xhafer: Um, while I appreciate the

the, the reference you're making, I'm

00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,799

gonna go with an 11 out of 12 as well.

00:51:31,989 --> 00:51:33,249

I do love this episode.

00:51:33,549 --> 00:51:36,079

This is a high water mark

for the season for me.

00:51:36,509 --> 00:51:42,009

Um, but it's just enough of me

being uncomfortable with some of the

00:51:42,009 --> 00:51:43,629

things that happened where I can't…

00:51:43,689 --> 00:51:47,999

It's like this is not an episode I'd

go back and watch because, because

00:51:47,999 --> 00:51:49,779

of how uncomfy I was made by it.

00:51:50,149 --> 00:51:51,149

And that's not always a bad thing.

00:51:51,149 --> 00:51:51,659

That's art.

00:51:51,739 --> 00:51:53,429

Art isn't always about being comfortable.

00:51:53,619 --> 00:51:56,689

But it will impact my rating, so

00:51:57,434 --> 00:51:58,854

Kristin: Fair, ja

00:51:59,275 --> 00:51:59,725

Laura: Okay.

00:51:59,875 --> 00:52:02,005

Can we go to crazy town for a second?

00:52:02,105 --> 00:52:02,995

Xhafer: Let's go to crazy town

00:52:03,783 --> 00:52:09,684

Laura: so I have been very, like,

I think it's less interesting if

00:52:09,684 --> 00:52:12,054

Starbuck turns out to be a Cylon.

00:52:12,727 --> 00:52:13,047

Xhafer: Okay

00:52:14,124 --> 00:52:17,544

Laura: I just really want

Starbuck to be a human.

00:52:18,326 --> 00:52:24,126

I'm starting to wonder though,

because, like, the show keeps kind

00:52:24,126 --> 00:52:28,596

of taking what I think is the less

interesting, what I thought was

00:52:28,596 --> 00:52:30,216

gonna be the less interesting path.

00:52:30,246 --> 00:52:34,596

Um, Ellen actually has turned out to

be very interesting, so that's fine.

00:52:35,007 --> 00:52:42,049

but I'm like, hmm, what if the

whole Daniel business was, like…

00:52:42,059 --> 00:52:46,509

'Cause I was like, "Ah, Daniel's

Daniel's the super secret 13th Cylon."

00:52:47,299 --> 00:52:52,029

Um, like, well, what if that was really

just thrown in there to, like, make me

00:52:52,029 --> 00:52:55,699

wonder some more and it is Starbuck?

00:52:55,904 --> 00:52:57,384

cause there was that whole corpse thing.

00:52:58,082 --> 00:53:00,252

Xhafer: They would like to remind

you of that this episode too

00:53:00,906 --> 00:53:01,376

Laura: Yes.

00:53:02,016 --> 00:53:08,191

But then to me, that, that makes me think,

well, the origin of the super secret

00:53:08,191 --> 00:53:16,113

13th Cylon then I don't think is the,

like, the Daniel line or from the fuck

00:53:16,113 --> 00:53:18,763

around for the final five, any of them.

00:53:19,143 --> 00:53:26,773

It kind of seems like perhaps if we have

Starbuck being super secret 13th Cylon,

00:53:27,833 --> 00:53:31,163

she came from the Earth Cylon somehow.

00:53:32,063 --> 00:53:33,043

Don't know how.

00:53:33,653 --> 00:53:34,853

Don't know…

00:53:36,173 --> 00:53:37,793

maybe, I don't know.

00:53:38,123 --> 00:53:43,303

Maybe she's someone who had FTL

and was able to do some jumps or

00:53:43,303 --> 00:53:46,653

something where, you know, we were

told the final five didn't have that.

00:53:47,386 --> 00:53:48,046

I don't know.

00:53:48,226 --> 00:53:50,156

I, I guess if I'm having to start…

00:53:50,646 --> 00:53:51,966

We've only got three episodes left.

00:53:51,976 --> 00:53:52,596

If I'm having to

00:53:52,691 --> 00:53:52,881

Xhafer: Yeah

00:53:53,636 --> 00:53:59,726

Laura: accepting Starbuck as Cylon,

think it's, it's gotta be something more

00:53:59,746 --> 00:54:02,816

than, like, she was created by the five.

00:54:03,666 --> 00:54:06,549

But I don't know And she

00:54:06,678 --> 00:54:06,868

Xhafer: Yeah

00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:12,203

Laura: you know, the, the other seven, the

significant seven, they all seem broken

00:54:12,213 --> 00:54:14,333

in a very, like one very consistent way.

00:54:14,333 --> 00:54:19,373

And there are some things Starbuck

consistently struggles with, but she seems

00:54:19,373 --> 00:54:23,053

a little more like the fuck or, like the

fuck around four or the final five to

00:54:23,053 --> 00:54:25,353

me than the seven, if that makes sense.

00:54:26,635 --> 00:54:27,735

that's, that's my theory.

00:54:27,735 --> 00:54:33,078

If, if Starbuck is Cylon,

not created by the five

00:54:33,837 --> 00:54:34,137

Xhafer: Okay.

00:54:34,742 --> 00:54:37,792

All right, well, maybe you'll

get some answers next week.

00:54:37,792 --> 00:54:44,232

We've got Season 4, Episode 18,

"Islanded in a Stream of Stars."

00:54:45,212 --> 00:54:49,062

The rebel Cylons and colonists

react to Hera's kidnapping, while

00:54:49,062 --> 00:54:53,732

the physical condition of the

Galactica continues to deteriorate.

00:54:54,201 --> 00:54:54,641

Laura: Uh-oh

00:54:55,012 --> 00:54:56,202

Xhafer: We'll be joined by Bob Shit

00:54:57,259 --> 00:54:57,559

Laura: Yay.

00:54:58,659 --> 00:54:59,689

It'll be good to see Bob again

00:55:00,202 --> 00:55:00,692

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:55:01,022 --> 00:55:02,232

Yeah, looking forward to that.

00:55:03,053 --> 00:55:05,863

And, uh, you know, looking

forward to next week when we'll

00:55:05,863 --> 00:55:07,293

get to talk about this episode.

00:55:07,713 --> 00:55:10,953

But before then Kristen, do you

have anything you wanna plug?

00:55:11,443 --> 00:55:13,403

You have anything you wanna ta-

you wanna, wanna throw out there?

00:55:13,748 --> 00:55:13,908

Laura: Yeah.

00:55:14,698 --> 00:55:15,428

What are you doing?

00:55:16,082 --> 00:55:19,482

Kristin: Well, besides being about

to start another academic year, which

00:55:19,634 --> 00:55:19,964

Xhafer: Yeah

00:55:20,132 --> 00:55:23,182

Kristin: forward to, um, I will

be making a professional opera

00:55:23,182 --> 00:55:25,692

debut in this country spring.

00:55:25,702 --> 00:55:30,062

So any of you who are gonna be

near Tulsa, Oklahoma, come see

00:55:30,072 --> 00:55:30,712

Laura: Maybe

00:55:31,292 --> 00:55:33,152

Kristin: Fan Tutte that

I'm conducting in May.

00:55:33,192 --> 00:55:35,282

I don't know, maybe Jafer,

you need a road trip, and

00:55:35,586 --> 00:55:36,446

Laura: Yeah, maybe

00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:37,050

Xhafer: It

00:55:37,156 --> 00:55:37,726

Laura: here

00:55:37,872 --> 00:55:41,332

Kristin: project is, and we

can do, like, a live looking

00:55:41,332 --> 00:55:42,692

at each other during episode

00:55:45,172 --> 00:55:47,632

Xhafer: I, I, I have discussed with Beth.

00:55:48,082 --> 00:55:50,602

I think you've sent me the fi-

the dates, the actual dates.

00:55:51,198 --> 00:55:53,698

th- we need to get something finalized

on the calendar, but I would love

00:55:53,698 --> 00:55:55,498

to make it out to Tulsa to attend.

00:55:55,989 --> 00:55:56,269

Laura: Yeah.

00:55:57,019 --> 00:55:57,639

so cool.

00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,800

Xhafer: It would be real cool.

00:55:59,354 --> 00:56:00,044

all right.

00:56:00,104 --> 00:56:02,444

Well, with all that,

thanks for joining us.

00:56:02,624 --> 00:56:03,814

Always great to have you on, Kristen.

00:56:04,216 --> 00:56:05,856

Kristin: This was an awesome invitation.

00:56:05,856 --> 00:56:07,056

Thank you guys so much

00:56:07,646 --> 00:56:08,886

Laura: Yeah, we love it

00:56:09,814 --> 00:56:12,704

Xhafer: And while we're thanking

our favorite musicians, we should

00:56:12,704 --> 00:56:14,324

of course thank Jeremy Siegel.

00:56:14,944 --> 00:56:16,464

Jeremy, thanks so much

for doing our theme music.

00:56:16,464 --> 00:56:20,584

You can find more of Jeremy's work

at jeremysiegel42.bandcamp.com

00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:23,500

Laura: And another thanks to

Angry Duck Time Machine on

00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:25,320

Instagram for the podcast artwork

00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:27,010

Xhafer: Aaron, I'm so sorry.

00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,200

Thank you

00:56:31,026 --> 00:56:31,186

Kristin: Yes.

00:56:31,186 --> 00:56:33,856

Thank you, Erin, because my

travel schedule also made

00:56:33,946 --> 00:56:35,756

this timeline, like, really

00:56:35,758 --> 00:56:36,068

Xhafer: It,

00:56:36,466 --> 00:56:36,476

Kristin: futs.

00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:36,986

So thank

00:56:37,058 --> 00:56:40,958

Xhafer: it w- it w- there was,

there was a lot of stuff going on.

00:56:40,958 --> 00:56:43,011

It's uh, it's fine.

00:56:43,641 --> 00:56:44,371

That's life.

00:56:44,801 --> 00:56:45,751

He's got this.

00:56:46,111 --> 00:56:46,761

I believe in him

00:56:47,257 --> 00:56:49,927

Laura: And thanks to you, the

listener, for being with us today.

00:56:50,007 --> 00:56:54,967

If you have any more burning

thoughts Battlestar Galactica,

00:56:54,967 --> 00:56:57,207

you gotta get in the Discord now.

00:56:57,497 --> 00:56:59,097

You have so little time.

00:56:59,873 --> 00:57:00,383

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:57:00,733 --> 00:57:04,023

Realistically, the next couple

of episodes we'll probably

00:57:04,023 --> 00:57:06,823

record before the finale airs.

00:57:07,093 --> 00:57:08,723

So this is, like, your last…

00:57:08,833 --> 00:57:11,633

As you're listening to this, this is

two days before this episode airs.