The discourse presented revolves around the ancient perspectives on astrology, particularly focusing on the celestial bodies recognized by early astrologers. The speaker elucidates the significance of the traditional seven planets, emphasizing their historical context and the ancient understanding of their meanings. A critical examination is conducted regarding the more recent addition of Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto to astrological practice, which the speaker refers to as relatively novel concepts in the vast lineage of astrology. The speaker posits that the ancient astrologers had a profound connection with the cosmos, having observed the celestial movements for millennia, and thus their interpretations and significations hold deep-rooted relevance that modern astrology may not fully encapsulate. Furthermore, the dialogue transitions into a contemplative exploration of how the introduction of these three newer planets necessitates a reevaluation of astrological teachings, as their significations remain less understood due to their brief incorporation into astrological practice. This discussion culminates in the assertion that further observation and understanding are imperative to fully integrate these celestial entities into the astrological narrative. The conversation unfolds with a probing inquiry into the impact of the newly recognized planets on traditional astrological frameworks. Here, the speakers engage in a thoughtful exchange about whether the inclusion of Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto alters the arrangement or significations of the classical seven planets. The speaker articulates a clear inclination towards a Hellenistic perspective, wherein these newer planets are not traditionally acknowledged. This perspective invites listeners to consider the implications of a historical framework versus a modern interpretation of astrology. The dialogue further delves into the collective consciousness that might have limited ancient astrologers' awareness of these additional celestial bodies, suggesting that the discovery of these planets may correlate with humanity's evolving understanding of the universe and its influences. Such reflections prompt an exploration of the philosophical dimensions of astrology, questioning whether the significance attributed to these planets is genuine or merely a product of contemporary astrological thought. In concluding the discussion, the speakers contemplate the astrological relevance of Pluto, particularly in relation to historical events such as the signing of the Declaration of Independence. This leads to a profound realization that the astrological charts of significant events may not accurately reflect the influences of planets that were unknown at the time, raising questions about the legitimacy of employing such planets in retrospective astrological analysis. The speakers assert that while modern astrologers may include Pluto in these charts, it raises the issue of collective awareness and preparedness for such influences, suggesting that the astrological landscape is subject to the evolution of human consciousness. This nuanced examination highlights the ongoing dialogue between historical and modern astrological practices, encouraging a deeper understanding of how celestial bodies influence human affairs.

Takeaways:

1. The discussion elucidates the antiquity of planetary observation, emphasizing the significance of seven ancient planets in astrology.
2. The hosts reflect on the relatively recent discovery of the additional three planets and their implications for astrological practices.
3. There is an exploration of the Hellenistic perspective, which traditionally excludes the newer planetary bodies from its framework.
4. The hosts contend that the collective consciousness must evolve before the significance of newly discovered planets can be fully understood.
5. The discourse raises questions about the validity of incorporating modern planets into historical charts, given their late discovery in human history.
6. The conversation underscores the notion that astrology is a dynamic practice, continually shaped by both celestial discoveries and collective human awareness.

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Lastly, I know you may be thinking, well, Paul, you missed three planets.

Well, I was talking about the way the ancients looked up at the planets.

I know in modern astrology they have worked in the use of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto and they have their own significations.

But in terms of astrology, these three are still very new.

We have ideas of what their significations could be, but the ones I spoke on have come from looking up and then down for thousands of years.

We've only been looking up at the last three for maybe a little bit over a hundred and think they found Neptune 175 years ago.

We may have a little more observant to do when it comes to those three.

Yeah, and we, for some reason we're not looking up, we're kind of just looking into this box that we have in front of us.

Yeah, yeah.

So that was my presentation on the planets.

Nice.

Do any questions, anything you wanna.

I'm curious to know if, Let me see, what was I, I had a question earlier.

It's gonna come back to me, but I'm curious like, I'm kind of curious to know if like what the additional three planets, like, do they change anything from like the original seven?

Like because there's new, there's three new planets.

Like would it change in a, I guess like in, I don't know, in a very specific way.

Like some of the significations of those seven planets, like does the arrangement kind of change?

Well, the reason I didn't present them is because I'm kind of leaning.

The presentation I just gave was more of a Hellenistic point of view.

And Hellenistic astrologers really don't use those three.

That's why.

But I also, like, I dabble with the modern, that's where I started at with the modern astrology.

So I don't really poo poo those three positions just yet.

I was just trying to present what the ancients looked at.

That's why I said, hey, maybe we need to.

We, even though we think we know what these planets signify, we still have some more observation to do.

I agree.

I just, I think that, I mean just the way that I see it, even though, like, even though it might seem like I'm technically debunking astrology, which I'm not because I also practice astrology, but the way I'm thinking about it is sort of like outside of the box, I guess, in the way that, you know, the ancients used to look up at the stars and they would only see seven planets.

But those other three had to be in there somewhere.

In there.

Yes.

I guess I know what you kind of getting at.

Actually I was just watching a.

Listening to a podcast and a guy was talking about that, and we can't actually, like, for instance, they have charts from way back, but we can't actually go pull them charts back up and then try to place Neptune and all of that into those charts because maybe that society wasn't ready for that consciousness yet.

Oh, okay, I like that.

So.

So 175 years ago, when we found Neptune, maybe us as a collective was just being ready for Neptune consciousness to be interjected into the situation.

Which is interesting because Neptune's supposed to represent the hidden, right?

Yeah.

So we discovered that there was something hidden in us.

Yeah, yeah.

And actually that would.

That has something to do with why they put it in Pisces and stuff like that.

But one of the re.

The way they have it now, it fall.

It doesn't make sense.

In the calculations of how the ancients lined up all the planets, the significations, the malefics and benefics and all that stuff, everything had male, female, yin yang, all that stuff.

And with, with the introduction of these three.

That's why, that's why I'm saying we haven't.

They haven't been around long enough.

I mean, how long is.

How long have we known about Pluto?

Not that long.

Exactly.

It's been even less than Neptune, right?

Yes, I think, I think, I don't

even think it's been 200 years because

technically now Neptune was 175.

175.

And then Uranus was after that.

And then Pluto, I think Pluto was like 19, like 10 or something like that somewhere around there.

So.

Okay, wait, because then.

Well, hold on, because I actually did not know that.

I didn't know that Pluto was discovered way after all the other ones.

In astrology or like just, just we

found a planet, period.

We found out, oh, there's a planet out there.

That'd be an interesting.

It actually hasn't been even 100 years yet.

I know, that's what I'm saying.

That would be an interesting follow up for you to do because in the charts of the United States as a nation, taken from, like, the original, like, when they signed the Declaration of Independence or whatever.

You know, people, astrologers, continue to pull up Pluto in that chart, but technically, Pluto hadn't been discovered till 200 years after that.

Yes.

So technically, they're not really supposed to be using it in the chart because it may not have been part of collective consciousness yet.

So technically, now, in the next couple of years, when Pluto transitions into Aquarius, that is when the US Will really feel that shakeup, depending on the type

of astrology you follow.

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

But I'm just thinking about it in, like, terms of, like, like, when we signed the Declaration, the Declaration of Independence, you know, Pluto wasn't around.

So, you know, everybody talking about the.

The US Having its Pluto return and its Pluto return, that's technically false.

Yeah.

According to this guy who was on that podcast who was one of the.

I think his name was.

I forgot his name.

But he.

He is one of the original people who brought Hellenistic astrology back.