Episode Summary

Synchronicity: Hilarious, profound, sacred, and irreverent! In this special interview I speak with Andras Jones; musician, author, podcaster, creator of the Radio8Ball show, and actor (known in part for his role in Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master... hello, synchronicity!). 

In this Episode we use the Radio8Ball app to consult the Pop Oracle in a form of musical divination, including several original full-length songs that you are invited to interpret for yourself.

We also discuss:

• The importance of honoring both the sacred and profane in a life that values and cultivates synchronicity 
• How Olympia, the town Andras and I hail from has a secret Kabbalistic tree of life built into the downtown- as he describes in his book  “Accidental Initiations: In The Kabbalistic Tree of Olympia”
• His podcast  The World Is Wrong,  which focuses on what is right about movies that the rest of the world has been wrong about 
• The history and origin of Radio8Ball, how I was a Sacred Usher on the show, and what that even means
• His worst experience ever on stage (and how these difficulties have forged him)
• Cheese
• And so much more!

About Andras Jones

Andras Jones is the creator of Radio8Ball, a “Pop Oracle” he developed over 20 years beginning on KAOS in Olympia, Washington in 1998. He is the author of “Accidental Initiations: In The Kabbalistic Tree of Olympia” for Sync Book Press and the host of several podcasts including The World Is Wrong with fellow Olympia native Bryan Connolly. Beyond Olympia Andras is best known for his work in films like “A Nightmare On Elm Street 4: The Dream Master” and TV shows like “Good Morning Miss Bliss”. Those who know him best, know his songwriting and performing, under a variety of different monikers, all of which can be found at his site: previouslyyours.com

Get in touch:

Andras posed the question to the Pop Oracle about someone (perhaps me or you) stepping into the web of Radio8Ball...

and we would love to know what your interpretation was of the song "Little Spider." What could this mean for the future of the show?

Feel free to shoot us an email and let us know what you think!

Amanda: be@elevationhive.com

Andras: andrasjones@radio8ball.com 

A note from Andras on the synchronicity of this release:

This is coming out the week of my father’s birthday. June 10th. He would have been 97, and would be grateful not to have reached such a ripe age. Father’s day is next week. I bet some of his students listen to your show. They always found Radio8Ball when we were on KAOS.

About this podcast:

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Songs featured in this episode:

“Record Store” by Andras Jones (with Scott Taylor, Skyler Blake & Peter David Connelly)

“Cheese” by Dan Bern – Recorded on Radio8Ball on KAOS in Olympia on November 11, 2006

“Little Spider” by Amelie Julac aka Julia McAlee on Alternative Talk 1150AM in Bellevue on June 24th, 2009

Other songs used: 

Alone/All One written and performed by Amanda Lux

https://uppbeat.io/t/sky-toes/the-long-ride-home

once you get that synchronicity feels

good and you pursue that.

It leads you towards intelligence.

It leads you towards compassion and not in a way of like, you should do this.

It's like, no, I want to feel good.

I want more synchronicities.

So I'm going to pay more attention.

If I pay more attention, I'm going to feel more things.

And if I feel more things, I'm going to think better about them and yeah,

and then it just keeps, keeps going.

And that's why the sacred and the profane,

Welcome to a lone travelers guide to the divine, a podcast for

empaths, healers, dreamers, and seekers.

My name is Amanda Lux and I'm the creator of the elevation hive,

school and community membership for energy medicine and dream.

In this podcast, I offer teachings, poetry, songs, interviews,

and inspiration to support you wherever you are on your path.

Today is a special interview with Andras Jones, who is a synchronicity artist.

Andras is a singer songwriter, actor, author, podcaster of his current show.

The world is wrong and of the infamous radio eight ball.

Which started out on live college radio and evolved over 20 years,

time to being both a filmed and live onstage event, as well as a podcast

with over 700 episodes and its own app, which is super cool by the way.

And you should totally, totally check that out.

Andras and I go way back and I was fortunate enough to get to

participate on multiple occasions over the past decade as a sacred usher.

For his live radio eight ball show where I would be holding space for the

often silly irreverent, yet profound happenings that would occur as a result

of this synchronicity game Andras.

And I talk about this and we also discuss the power of.

Living in synchronicity and how the sacred and profane are equally

as valid and important polarities to honor in one's pursuit of and

appreciation for synchronicity.

We demonstrate how radio eight ball works by actually playing the game.

In this episode, engaging with the app, asking real questions and

divining the answers through music, which is hilarious, fun, and profound.

So it's a little bit of a longer than usual episode, but it's full of.

Really cool music that I wouldn't normally play.

Lots of synchronicity and fun, and there's even a few twists and I

look forward to engaging with you after you have given it a listen.

So I hope you will listen through and weigh in on your

response to the pop Oracle.

So here is Andras Jones.

Thank you for being here and making the space.

I do feel really honored to get, to have this conversation with you , I

wanted to invite you to be on this show.

Number one, you had reached out to me right before I went to Puerto Rico and

you offered me a book your father's book about dreams, the dream poet.

And I mean, even the name itself just like drew me in.

I'm like, oh man, that's great because I love poetry.

I love the poetry of life.

And I love dreams.

You've listened to this podcast.

And you said there is some similarities crossover, and I fully, fully felt that

as I was reading it and felt really honored that you saw that , and that

you let me take the book and I have carried it with me through Puerto

Rico and through various airports.

And in Mexico, , Richard

M.

Jones, his name search for it.

And you will find many disparate strands and it might not lead you to them.

But if you look for Richard Jones, the dream poet, you can find copies.

And unless I find them before you, in which case I'm

going to buy them up, right.

Gathered them.

So I can give them to people who are drawn synchronistically into my web,

who I feel really need to, or not need to, but will benefit or enjoy his

work and feel like he was a teacher.

He was a professor at evergreen, right.

It was the, one of the founding faculty at evergreen.

What was sort of the most fundamentally radical thing about evergreen was

one of his, I wouldn't say it's his contribution, but his team's contribution,

which is the sort of education for its own sake, kind of quality, which may

or may not still be a factor there.

If you listen to the old timers, it's definitely not a, we're doing a lot of

cryptic talking, which I feel like I've been told it can be scary to, like,

I don't want to tease the listeners.

I'm not trying to do that.

It's just, I feel like considering that our connection.

Radio eight ball and sacred ushering and synchronicity.

And we're already just in the first bit of this talking about

my father and his book, right?

Yeah.

Ma one of his, but I, the reason I say it's his book because it's the

one dedicated to me and my brother.

And so I grew up with this book and it was when I was a baby and

a young child, he was writing it.

And then it was the first book of his that came out when I was conscious.

And so as someone who puts out products, records, films, books of my own episodes

of podcasts, that was the first release that I ever experienced, uh, which

since my dad was a Freudian, he would get a huge kick out of that was the

first release I ever experienced.

That's great.

Yes.

Well, and I do want to touch on more of our history and connection.

, but I also want to just give you the opportunity to introduce yourself.

You have so many different things that you do.

Like you mentioned podcasting and your radio eight ball show

and then film and current film coming out and historical films.

So I don't know.

Is, is there anything you want to say about just, could you

share about the context of you?

What I would say is that people who are interested in that in

the context of me, there's a website that will, you'll be able to find.

If you look up my name on draft jones.com, but it's called previously yours.com.

Uh, my band was called Mr.

Jones and the previous, we went through many names.

And if you really want to know, what's fundamental to me and has

always been fundamental to me.

It's that songs and songwriting.

That's where I had my first real experience at synchronicity.

And then.

Somehow that led to creating radio eight ball, which was holding space

for all these other songwriters to have their songs be in this a bubbling

fountain of synchronicity around where their songs are, the bubbles.

And I did that for a long time.

And so the synchronicity works seems tied to that.

And even songwriting, I feel like is kind of what made, made me an actor

because the first monologues I ever learned were songs that I learned to

sing to myself, walking home from school.

This is back before when we had anyone had headphones for anything to walk with.

I had a bone phone.

You remember, you probably are too.

A bone phone was just basically a scarf with speakers.

And you had your super cool.

It wasn't that cool I've looked them up, but they're may, they

were made out of some sort of like totally chemical, like rain kind of thing.

So they've all deteriorated.

You can't find a

bone phones from, well, and I love the, you know,

synchronicity is going to be coming up.

That's definitely, I would say that's, that's it.

It's my, that's my that's the art form that I've focused

on that is unique to most people.

Right?

Uh, a lot of people act, I love acting, which I feel like is synchronistic

work and I love songwriting and I like writing sometimes.

It's, it's harder.

Once you've learned, once you've been able to put music onto your words, the words.

I feel pretty, uh, naked against, uh, a

cool, oh man.

I think you're an excellent writer.

I love your, your way with language and you have at least

one book that I know of for sure.

The accidental initiation and I love how you go into the

kabbalistic tree of Olympia.

It's there.

I will actually, right before, one of the things I did today was I went for

a bike ride around the base of it.

And that was it's.

It's amazing to have.

So I should explain that a cop for, for those who don't know the cobblistic.

Uh, do you have a, do you have a website or anything at this?

You could just take a picture of this image before you leave

and post it with the podcast.

So I can just, if you're interested, you guys look on the podcast notes

and the cobblistic tree is this image, which many different systems

of belief see it as a very useful map of consciousness, which is great for,

uh, going back to my father's work.

My, my dad was a dream psychologist who learned how to clinically treat

people using dreams and then realized that dreams could be equally and maybe

even more valuable to people who don't need to be clinically treated and

just want to use them to make their lives richer and more fulfilling.

And that was the essence of his education.

And in a way, the cobblistic tree can be used the same way you

can use it to solve a problem.

Or to try and pinpoint a problem or to try and get something or find heal something.

And if you know where one is built into a place that you live, and since

the Freemasons built this country and built a whole bunch of them, usually

into capital cities of which Olympia is one or just capital grounds,

state grounds, like old state houses, things like that, you'll find them.

And then just walking in one also can be useful to get or do or solve or heal.

But it's also just experientially.

Wonderful.

Yeah.

Yes.

Well, especially when you bring that consciousness to it, because, you know,

I walked around the area of that or gone on runs around there for years and years.

And before I met you in new, and then you introduced me to that.

And the significance of the different locations along it and how you can kind

of hold your consciousness there and the way that the conversations you and

I have had many walks and talks around that and the way the conversation flows

when you're in certain areas and how that relates is the coolest thing.

So I love that you wrote about that and shared it and, , and then

also have taken groups of people.

Have you done that recently taking people on walks around it?

Uh, I used to, I guess this gets to like Y uh,

sort of a sea change in my work.

So I've been building, I built radio eight ball for like 20 years.

I started it on chaos, K O S and Olympia in 1998 radio station.

It's a, it's the community, the college station, the community station

housed at the evergreen state college.

And so I started radio eight ball.

On chaos in 1998, when I come back to Olympia after living in Hollywood

and doing movies and putting out records and having a band, like

convince my band to come back here.

Cause my dad got very ill and uh Alzheimer's and it was a long

drawn out and this is definitely an accidental initiation.

And so I came back and I found myself here and part of my mourning process, once

he was gone was to go back to evergreen.

And that's how I got involved in chaos.

And then they sort of naturally evolved this format of we've been referencing.

I should say what it is now of asking question and picking a song

at random and then interpreting it like a musical taro card.

And if you're listening and saying, I do that all the time, it's

like, yes, yes, of course you do.

And because it's a very, we all do that all the time.

Those of us who are, who are the kind of people who would listen to a podcast

like this, if you are connected to dreams and synchronicity at art and.

And whether you intentionally do it or you just, it just happens.

Yes.

And buy it.

What I'm assuming is you mean, like you're thinking about something or you have an

issue, an active issue or a question or something in your life that's happening.

And in that moment, a song comes on and you're like, oh my gosh, this song is

totally speaking to me about exactly what I need to hear in this moment.

It's giving me a message.

Like the universe is speaking through this music

as if it was your dream as if it was your

dream.

But what I will say to you is that my experience is that

when you gather people together to do that experience together, whether

it's in a room together or on a radio station, broadcasting to people who

were experiencing it at that moment.

And I think to some degree to a podcast though, I'm still not entirely

sure it magnifies that experience.

And this is where we get to sacred.

Ushering is.

Over the years radiate ball had, has had many iterations started on a radio

on a late night radio show where we just play CDs on shuffle function.

So people would call in we'd play CDs on truffle function.

We didn't even intend to have that.

Be the show with the idea was just, we were going to play

CDs on shuffle function, right.

And then the Oracle, the pop Oracle, as I call it just started talking to

us and started answering questions.

We didn't even know we'd asked or were responding to things that we

were saying in between the songs.

And then people started calling in and it was, it was so incredibly organic.

Like, you know, just like opening up a vein or, or striking oil.

Both of those are really terrible, uh, analogies, but just for like, like I

didn't, I was just fooling around and then all of a sudden it's like, oh my

God, we're drowning in this abundance.

It's incredible.

I guess blood and oil are both symbols of abundance.

And when you realize that it just flows from just from doing this thing.

Uh, well, I was more blown away than my co-host was.

He was sort of blown out of it just sort of was like, ah,

like we did it for a while.

It was fun, but he was like, I wrote a theme song and I

started to really get into it.

And he's like, I just wanted to play CDs on shuffle function, man.

I know I didn't want to start a new religion.

Not that I ever have ever intent.

That's been never my intention.

In fact, the opposite was the idea is to keep it as profane on its face as

possible and keep it as sacred behind the scenes as possible, which brings us

to sacred ushering was when I started to do this as a live show with a live

band and celebrities Skyping in and people from the audience coming up

and asking questions and filming it and holding space for a lot in, yeah.

I came up with the idea that there should be a group of people who are holding

energy for the audience, for the band.

And for me, you need to, all three legs of the stool are equally deserving of

not being broken because otherwise it's a very, it's not a, it's a squeaky stool.

And you were one of these.

Yes.

You were one of these sacred ushers.

You were, I would say that at this point, as it's proven out, you're the

owner, you were the only sacred usher.

There were, there were a lot of people who got to who got cast in

the role, but you're the only one who has fulfilled on my vision for it.

And your podcast.

That's what struck me is like this.

You are.

It's still doing it, right.

You're still doing, in fact, you're doing radiate ball better because

I don't want to say better because I want that that's an insult again,

that's a, it's insulting the chair.

Like all those people, all the musicians, everyone who contributed to it was so

great, but I you're the person who I see continuing the synchronicity work.

I woke up this morning thinking, I wonder if Amanda's the next host of radio eight

ball because eventually I really that's.

My next goal is to, is to hand it off to be.

I would like to be the musician for awhile and let someone else

be the host of radio eight ball.

But as we may get into it's really, it's not an easy path.

And so maybe that's why sacred ushers are so necessary.

So could you explain what you felt like sacred ushering was?

Yeah.

Well, , I loved your vision.

I thought radio eight ball was super cool idea , , And when you described to me

that role of just holding space, like you said, for the audience for, you know, I

think having a really, , good integrity within the container is essential for any

kind of magic to occur in a safe place.

Right.

And by magic, I don't mean something beyond what's natural, ? I mean,

having a conscious field where we understand that more than entertainment

is happening, this could be triggering somebody's healing process.

This could be, , life changing life altering and indefinitely is altering

because you're bringing in a level of awareness and depth that alters your.

Right.

So how I felt my role as the sacred usher of your show was to, , hold

that consciousness around the integrity of the container so that

the whatever needed to happen could happen for the highest good, right.

That was sort of my spell, whatever for the highest good.

And I'm here to be a witness I'm here to be entertained.

And I see one thing I loved about radio eight ball too, was that it

doesn't separate the, irreverent profane from the sacred, right.

And the, and the deep and profound, so that they're kind

of married in that experience.

And oftentimes the song in answer to a very serious.

Question was really silly, but within that sacred fool energy is so much

richness and great art in my opinion.

So, and that's definitely been a contemplation of mine today, just knowing

that we were doing this interview.

And, , just thinking about what to me is great art, and I really appreciate

that you bring those two elements, those two polarities in of the entertainment,

, just trying to bring something that's so sacred and true and real and

divinatory into Hollywood or onto the air or into an entertainment realm

I was reading about that, how you describe the radio eight ball show and that in our

current culture, we've lost a bit of a.

Active listening, you know, to, especially to independent music.

Right.

And so you were really intentionally featuring artists that you felt

had integrity and, , inviting an opportunity to pay attention,

to really listen to the music.

So it makes sense to me that you're, you also want to be on that end of it, right?

Like music needs to be heard.

I mean, yeah.

I think I met you after I put that down, but I've been doing that for like that's.

I mean, I, that was my main thing I put out, like before I probably met

you, I'd put up 10 records toward the country, multiple times, always

trying to do it and sort of with the same, with the same spirit.

I didn't, I didn't know that I was a synchronicity artist.

Right.

Uh, but same kind of thing, everyone in my band.

Superstars who are all of course going to go on to do much cooler and better things.

And that's, that's hard and that's a hard road to travel.

And maybe what makes me sympathetic to it's really just the artists who

are not listened to, you know, and the songs that are not listened to.

And the, and it's, I don't want to use war analogies, but it is sort of a battle

against the talkers in the audience.

And what I found was that if you ask a question, this is

what I found well into that.

Could we be doing radio eight ball for other reasons for a long time, but once

we did it on stage, and I realized that if you ask a question and spin a wheel,

and then especially if there's someone really there, like someone gets up and is

like, is my relationship going to work?

Right?

And then you spin a wheel.

People do not talk through the song and they're not doing it out of respect.

For anything except their own fear for their own relationship and their own hope

for this person and all this other stuff,

curiosity, curiosity, you're listening with active curiosity.

And that's what I think I love the most.

I love curiosity and I love synchronicity.

It's built into everything, but having curiosity is vital

to noticing it, to honoring it.

Right.

And I felt like that show in that space really cultivated that a sense

of curiosity, playfulness, , it was play it's playful and that's great.

I think that's important.

, but it's also sacred and deep and true, real stuff happened,

, every time I was like, wow.

Yeah.

And then if you add recording into the bargain, that adds a whole other level of.

I can't tell you how many times I've gone back to a show that I, or a reading

that I thought was bad and realized that it was speaking to the, to me

personally, and to the state of the world at that time in ways that nobody in

that room at that time could have known.

And that's the experience with every one of them really.

So one at a certain point, you develop, you develop faith, faith in that your

judgment of how good or relevant or valuable things are, can be totally off.

And that's a freeing thing because your worst day could be the exact right

thing that is needed in that moment.

And.

If you can get over your ego about it, which time will do to you.

It's cause it's easier to say I was so stupid then, then you'd be

like, I'm so stupid now, especially on, yeah, that was the hard part.

We did.

People came to it, expecting an entertainment thing.

And that's why I tried to have the shake rushers there to give some

people a little heads up as they walked in and some people had turned off.

They were like, oh, this is what is this weird thing.

But I still felt like that's better than people coming in and being

like, I've had bad experiences.

People show up thinking, they're going to see that artist show and they get

something else because one of the worst experiences I've ever had on stage,

we had Mira and she played in LA.

It was this big theater and like 300 Mira fans showed up

expecting to see a mirror show.

And they had some dude with a wheel asking questions and the wheel mess with

me because that was, I used to do that.

We had a Zodiac wheel.

Now we have a wheel of one through eight, but we used a Zodiac wheel.

Did you ever, you were there for Zodiac wheel shows?

Uh, but in the middle of it was a radio weight thing and that's

when I would have my song come up.

So my song came up like three times the last one they're

like, we're all just watching.

Everyone's like

And like the audience by the end was actively hostile to me.

And Amir is one of my favorite artists.

I'm a mirror fan.

That was one of the words that was really, he was one of the worst nights of my life.

It was like it just, and the fallout from, as you like imagined getting

that energy from one person that you care about their opinion, but okay.

That energy.

And I'd been, you know, you'd been putting everything into building

this up for eight weeks of promotion.

We have Mira, it's going to be great.

It's spring in LA.

And the metaphor of that

has forged me.

You know, there are things that I'm not scared of, that I used to be

more scared of and there's things that I can just be like that ain't

no big thing because that's very

powerful thinking about it.

I know, I know that that's part of your story and your walk, you know, that

you've moved through quite a few fires and that has forged you in many, many ways.

Yeah.

And with your show, starting with KAOS and having to not

have your show there anymore.

Just going on and on.

There's been, I know that you've dealt with that throughout your time.

And that in some ways I love that that aspect of your story

or your walk or your history has informed your art in so many ways.

And your current podcast, the world is wrong.

Do you want

to say anything about it?

Well, the world is wrong is an extremely positive podcast where we celebrate films.

The world is wrong about, so the movies that you hear, what I would

refer to as bullies, other people might refer to them as critics.

And some people might refer to them as just audiences with strong opinions.

I still call them bullies because the films can't fight back.

And our whole idea is we talk about films.

We like, and if there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure, if you like.

It's a good film and let's have the conversation about why you think

it's good, how you think it's good.

It's not an interesting conversation, which is like how

I think the film you love is bad.

And I would apply that to.

Everything.

Yeah.

That how I think what you like.dot or do.dot.is bad is the least

interesting conversation in the world.

And why are you into that thing that I think is, is an interesting conversation.

I downloaded the app and I had no idea you had that.

It was so exciting.

I love it.

Absolutely love it.

And I wrote in my question , you know, I got up this morning and I was really

meditating on this interview , so I wrote down, as I prepare for this

interview with Andras on a lone travelers podcast , what is at the heart of it?

What is the most important thing for me to know?

, how do I prepare, what do I need to hold in my mind?

You know?

And the answer I got was this song called cheese

By Dan Bern.

Yes.

cheese cheese cheese cheese

She, jeez.

It was cheese.

That was the song.

It looks like it was recorded.

Live on chaos and Olympia on November 21st, 2006.

my mama told me about the four basic food groups, milk, dairy

bread, fruits, and vegetables.

I learned them religiously and tried hard to have them not for every meal.

Then every day, a balanced diet is awfully important.

For instance, Fisher rolls and milk and pee, but on the road, all that.

Something sharp black girl can be absolutely stunning.

But last week I had moderate JAG, five days running every now and then

I say, and some crackers, but usually

um, baby, come with me on some of my great adventure every now and then we'll stop a

little while in Paris or London or wrong.

We can have some caviar in central pay.

I have a flat Ali is the key, but

on the road, all like.

Cheese cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese.

Jay's Jay's Jay's Jay's

mostly.

Um, yeah.

Hmm.

How does that for you?

Oh

yeah, that was a lot.

His format just turns a, uh, could turn a goofy little song

into like the most gut wrenching.

I dunno, hug.

What did you get out of that as the answer to your question,

I knew that we were going to be meeting today and I knew that you

were fasting, you're fasting right now.

And I have been.

preparing to do a deeper cleanse,

so I was thinking deeply this morning about what is a cleanse for me.

And where does cheese fit into that?

I was literally, I was thinking 'cause I don't, I didn't even

want cheese when I was in Mexico.

And I was, it was so easy to just have juice every day.

But since I got home and I'm in this environment, right.

I just want to eat cheese.

I don't know.

It's bad.

I don't know.

It's comfort.

There's something about it.

I loved the song.

I love the melody.

I love the way he sings.

It is very heartfelt to me.

It puts me in my heart when I hear it.

And it's kind of light and silly.

And I definitely felt that , knocking on my door this morning.

I always pay attention to the epiphany's that come in the morning.

Not always have a lot of them, but the more I have, the more

I'm like, this is a good day.

This is an interesting day.

I've had a lot of epiphany's before noon.

So today was one of those days and I was really contemplating the beauty of,

life as an art form in and of itself that when we really pay attention

to synchronicity and we really honor, , that everything is sacred.

It really does bring us full circle into that sacred fool place where

everything is also equally as ridiculous,

so I was in that space with it.

I'm like, wow, this is profound and ridiculous.

It's cheese.

There's nothing cheesier than cheese itself.

Exactly, exactly.

Yeah.

I felt moved by it.

I loved the song.

, but I'm curious, what was your take on it?

It felt like it moved emotion.

Yeah.

I

Can't really, I, I don't think I could really explain.

I will try.

There's just stuff that's going on in my life where the ID, like the

four basic food groups are bullshit and the song starts with my mom

taught me about the four basic food groups and sort of accepting that

some fundamental things that I always believed or counted on were as.

Valid as the four food groups.

Right.

And, uh, so that hit me at first.

And then, uh, and then just, and then being transported back to that

time with Dan, which was a simpler time for all of us was really potent.

And

that was like the, those were like the, the sparks of kindling and Tinder going.

And then just the wash of being, uh, being back in the space of

synchronicity and radio eight ball.

It reminds I, for years, I told you I used to tour for years.

And the last tour I went on, I started in Boston on September 8th, 2001.

So something happened three days into my.

Across America.

And when I would perform, I would always, I couldn't perform without crying.

It's gonna be confusing when I say that that's part of my like erotic expression,

like dancing, laughing, crying.

That's one of the ways that energy moves through me when I'm incredibly inspired.

It's also impossible to saying, try talking when you're on the verge of tears.

Now imagine trying to sing in front of a group of people.

And you know, that the fact that you're crying knows that you're

getting to the place where the song needs to get, but your instrument

is constricting as you're doing it.

And, uh, and a lot of other stuff.

And it was just a lot of trauma in trying to do with art when you're,

when you're young in a big way.

And I was just so hurt and it was just coming through.

Um, and radiate ball got to that point a couple, a few, a couple of years ago when

I started the world is wrong in the middle of the beginning of COVID we're doing it.

And then just everyone just got so confused about based upon

whatever their reality tunnels were.

And I just felt like it just, wasn't a safe space to explore.

And since I've stepped away with it from it, I kind of know that

I have hurt and trauma around it.

But as soon as we opened up that portal is just like taking a psychedelic.

The universe is right there just saying, Hey, I love you.

I can't take,

you know, tell me anything else.

Yes.

Yes.

Wow.

So, so that's the heart of it.

there's heart at the heart of it.

And some broken heart and some universal love and things

to clear that.

I wrote a new song recently called just get out of my head, which is the choruses.

Get out of my head, get out of my heart.

This is that's my mantra.

I'll share it with you people, if there's any, just get out of

my head, get out of my heart.

You know, I know it might sound counterintuitive because

they'll just keep coming back.

That's fine.

Good boundaries and good boundaries are really hard.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's very true because the world is wrong.

Fortunately, unfortunately, earth is right.

Nature is right.

This interaction synchronicity is right.

But the world, the critical world that makes things mean things.

And I mean that in both ways makes things mean things right.

That world is wrong.

And now I'm, that's, that's where I'm at right now.

It's like trying to just get in the scrum and, and defend the

helpless works of art against.

The mean and wrong world.

And that's why bring it back to this podcast that you're doing.

And this is why, why I was so inspired because I was like, oh, here's someone

who's doing the synchronicity work, who is not as wounded as I am by

the experiences that I had with it.

And I think that brings me, can we end on my question for the pop-up

you inspired this question, I'm asking this question to you and about

you, but including the audience is the next host of radio eight ball,

listening to this musical divination.

And now I'm going to give it a shake and we'll get our answer.

What's it

going to be?

What's it going to be?

Oh, Amelie Julac little spider.

It's wonderful.

It's smart fantastical and barber.

And know that I'm a spider spinning what I will.

Yes.

You know that I'm a spider waiting for

but I love you.

And you should trust me.

You know, you need me.

That is how it must be.

If you'd say it back and open up your mouth slightly wider.

Maybe I would stop acting like such a little spider.

Don't be gloomy.

I am.

Your mother was, or when it got swim, they will have each other.

Well, I tell you when the swirl there is true evil, well, I'll protect.

Just stab into my way.

Don't be afraid, dear.

I am your mother when it gets RMD.

Well, Javier either

without me, you'd be all alone and frigid freezing frightful weather,

but you are safe out of a war with me.

We're both in this together.

Yes.

Without me.

You'd be all alone.

Out in the cruel cruel world.

I take you out, dust you off your hair.

Gets washed and curl.

Um,

cover.

Yes.

I remember all the silly things I said, but darlin you're no use to me if

which brings to mind the fact that you're still in my now I'll wrap you

up in cell and feed your mother's milk.

And then my dear bye.

As soon as you engage this.

Like with the psychedelic, the, all the realities and all the different

points of views and perspectives merge in a really powerful way, sort of like

in a dream or with a synchronicity.

If you're listening to this, do you think that your, the spider talking

to you, are you the spider and I'm the person asking, or am I this?

Are you listening and thinking that I'm the spike or that radio

eight balls a spider, and it's going to bite off your head.

As I was listening, I was thinking I was going to invite someone who is going to

bite off my head, but in the context of what I'm saying, what I want from radio

eight ball, that's exactly what I want.

I want to be able to be the one who's playing and playing the music and someone

else gets to be smart and thoughtful and grounded and hold the space.

I don't want my head involved at all.

I want my voice, my fingers and my heart, my.

Everything.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

I love that.

And I'm

also in a place of having boundaries around the mother that are, uh,

that both of these songs just walloped me.

And that's, I think that's the experience of if you were to, if we, if we were

doing radio eight ball shows, and if you came to a radio eight ball show, and

maybe if you listen to one of our long form podcasts, or maybe you can have

that experience, uh, after the fact, but in the moment, this is the experience

is that you go there and everyone's getting the answers to their question,

but your thing is getting tweaked all throughout, like is like someone

else who's not having mother issues.

Isn't gonna listen to the songs in here, really that at all, they're

gonna hear something else, eating cheese and spiders and eating and

devour like, Hey, is that you know?

So at first I was scared listening.

Then I was really moved.

And now talking about.

I kind of get what the answer is for me, but it doesn't really because my

real answer is this passive aggressive, like help me, could someone please.

I built this amazing thing.

I built this amazing vehicle and I, for some reason am incapable of driving.

It it's like Moses in the promise land.

I'm not allowed in, especially if it's an Olympia.

If I come in, I will be rewarded with fists literal or figurative,

but someone else could do this thing.

And I think, especially if it was you, man,

you could, I, you could bite off my head and I'd be okay

with it.

I loved a lot of the words, , in that song.

And it started out very , Fantastical and all of that, , I was on a journey

with it, but I didn't ever quite know how to orient myself within the journey.

It felt a little disorienting to me.

I wasn't ever sure who was, what and where, and is it, is it a

friend or is it pray, is it we're going to be cozy together?

And then it's suddenly until the storm and now you're my food because you're good.

Are you to me anymore?

I love the perspective that, not being in your head , , and

also of the transformation or the dismemberment of that,

? Like on a shamanic level, that's

. And we are always all those roles, you know, we are the predator and the

prey, and I've had my own insights and revelations around that specifically

that occurred in the spider.

With the spider has the, , has the spiritual force of that dismemberment

and have learned in my own way, what that feels like to be both

on both ends and through that.

So that was where I went.

I did go there with that.

I'm like, wow, everything that we birth, you know, everything that

we, and we are the mother of, you know, we, we also kill it.

And we're also that thing that we get caught in our own web.

And, and then we're freeing that energy.

Really, nothing dies.

It just transforms.

So we're freeing.

Yes.

That's the that's that's the other part is like there's this synchronicity

is the experience of synchronicity is the experience of a web radio.

Eight ball is like a web in that the goal is to capture

synchronicities that we then.

Devour and leave behind because really, if you get too hung up on any

one synchronicity, it can mess you up, you know, that's, you know, you

gotta like, there they're abundant.

Right.

And things have a purpose until they don't.

And then it's time for them to be transformed.

Right.

, you're my buddy will cozy up here.

It's all good until that time has passed and now I'm gonna eat you.

You're my food.

I'm gonna, you know, and turn it into a song

or a poem or a story that you tell.

And luckily there, you know, as long as we're breathing with, there are

more experiences to have and more synchronicities synchronicities to have.

Um, I guess that's the hope.

There's a part of me.

There's the hopeful part.

There's the negative part, which is like, well, the internet is

going to bite your head off.

Definitely the web is going to bite your ass, but there's the other part,

which is that, and this is, this is the hopeful part that I would love

to have more access to in my life.

And I wouldn't radiate ball brought to me when I was very.

Much in the flow of it was that belief that through a synchronistic way of

approaching life, that if you just like the selfish, listening to a song, if

you really appreciate synchronicity, if you get synchronicity, then you

want your field to be excellent.

Then you meet the people, you meet with a kind of hopeful excellence

that if it's met even a little bit, the world just opens up and that.

So it's a self, like once you get that synchronicity feels

good and you pursue that.

It leads you towards intelligence.

It leads you towards compassion and not in a way of like, you should do this.

It's like, I want to feel good.

I want more synchronicity.

So I'm going to pay more attention.

If I pay more attention, I'm going to feel more things.

And if I feel more things, I'm going to think better about them and yeah,

and then it just keeps, keeps going.

And I that's why the sacred and the profane, because our

culture, our world is wrong.

It's toxic.

And, and it's taught us some very bad lessons, but I know that music is good.

It's so good.

But it can take a S no offense, Dan, but a stupid little song, like jeez,

and have me just bawling, pouring out here because music, it doesn't matter

what you say over it, except that when you say words over it, then that

generates synchronicities and whatever the cheese means to you, mother feeding

it to you, whatever, like it's primal.

And so, yeah.

So there is an idea that through synchronicity and a more capable hosts,

Even the web could be transformed through intelligent engagement, which

is curious and selfish engagement.

Uh,

I think that's interesting selfish engagement, but I also think,

you know, you gotta be smart about being selfish, I guess not.

You might think you're being selfish when you put a needle in your arm.

Uh, would that mean that can be now that can be interpreted

in a million different ways.

Right now I'm, I'm, I'm referring to heroin.

We're not talking about vaccinations.

Uh, but if you, like, you could think that feels good for putting that needle in your

arm that you could think that's selfish, but it's sort of a small picture selfish.

So that's why synchronicity is the key because synchronicity demands attention.

And that is what creates intelligence.

If you're paying attention, you're going to learn things.

Right.

Right, right.

Trying to get what you want.

You might not, you might get what you want and

you still want, right.

And it opens the field too.

I think what you're saying is, you know, when you're focused on your own

pleasure or your own experience or your own pain, even right, when you're just

focused on yourself in that selfish way, you're missing the interconnectivity

and how everything we do ripples out and touches and affects everyone

else or even inside.

And then when I'm in my pain, I am the least generous when I am in a rush.

When I am not taking really good care of myself and integrate space, then

I'm not meaning in the world with attention, the way like radiate Bob

brings that out of me, it became a, it's a practice of doing that, but like

the, the, or, and, and the outgrowth.

Yes.

All of these painful experiences or difficult experiences that because

I see later on are really valuable and it's like, oh, okay, well, don't

let that ruin a very good thing.

As you have done so many times and recorded in front of audiences to

teach yourself this lesson, that hopefully you can ruin a synchronicity,

but I do want to, I know we're getting to wrap it up and I want

to, , clarify your question to the pop.

Oracle was, is somebody listening to this right now is

the next host of radio eight ball listening to this podcast.

Right.

And I would just say, if you are listening to this and you feel like

you are the next radio eight ball host, I'm going to say something pretty

revolutionary here, hold your horses.

Because you may think you want that it's a lot of energy to plug into.

And this is why I created with the help of a very generous investor

at tremendous expense for nothing, uh, this radio weight ball app.

That is a way that you can do it.

Like you can download this app, you can ask it a question, pick a

song at random, see how it feels.

If you feel that's good, invite someone else to do it with you.

See how that feels.

If that feels good, gathered, like try and do an, uh, you know,

do it with a few more people.

And if they all like it all gathered together and then do that

and then get in touch with me.

Yes.

Because if you're doing that much work and it feels good, then you might

be the next radio eight ball host.

But if you think that it's an opportunity.

I would just, it's an opportunity,

but it's you say you might be the, the spider that hosts the web and you

might also be devoured and you will be all

of them.

You will be all of them.

And that's why, uh, yeah.

Yes.

So I would love to find the people for whom this is a pleasurable out, a

powerful and a useful tool and experience.

Yes.

And I also know that I entered it sort of like guns, a blazing

and it took 20 years of my life and many of my friends and what, you know, like

a lot of my reputation in ways that I.

That's

forged you.

Is there anything you want to say just for closing?

Well, when

you hear this, there will be a website called previously

yours.com or Andrea jones.com.

You can find it either way.

That's where you can find my music, where you can find my stuff about my acting and

the films that I've produced or had songs.

And then you can find out about my different podcasts on

about the radio eight ball app.

If you're interested in the radio eight ball, there's a whole radio weight

ball page called radio eight ball.com.

And you can to so much to explore there, it's a little bit daunting.

I would just say, go to where find a synchronicity, go look for a date or an

artist or something that's interesting to you and just start to dig in there.

And if you want to just have fun.

Because radio, April is fun, but it's also challenging.

Come check out the world is wrong.

Podcast.

Find a movie that you think that your tie, that you've heard, that you love, that

you've heard people say bad stuff about.

And you've gotten a little bit shy about talking about it.

Come listen to me.

And Brian, as we talk about how that film is actually great, fantastic

a movie that should have its art, your arms, arms thrown around it.

And yeah, so that's, that's my favorite thing to do right now.

Other than right now, this is my favorite thing to do because this was fantastic.

And, and I also say congrats, just congratulations on

having an awesome podcast.

And, uh, I am obviously incredibly moved and inspired by it.

And, uh, if P if I talk too much, just know that I'm sure that the

next guest will be a better listener.

And I just had a lot to say I've been just sitting on it and Amanda's

the only person I know who I.

Can I have this conversation with, and for some reason, I'm the kind

of person who can only really talk truthfully if they're being recorded.

So

I don't know about that, but,

well, it brings out something.

I know that there's something, it opens up a channel

in the yes, totally, totally.

It's beautiful.

Thank you for sharing your channel and for participating in bringing it.

I really appreciate it.

And I really appreciate and honor you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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cheese, cheese,

cheese, cheese, cheese on the pot.

All we eat is GS.

Cheese cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese,

cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese,

mostly.

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Traveler's guide to the divine.

Please check out the show notes for more information on Andreas

Jones, the musicians who were featured in this episode, and be

sure to check out all of his links to his website previouslyyours.com.

So you can learn about his current film and musical projects, as well

as his book, accidental initiations in the Kabbalistic tree of Olympia..

I also want to invite you to reach out to myself or Andras, if you would like

to weigh in on your interpretation of his question, pose to the pop

Oracle about whether you think I should be the next host of radio

eight ball, or maybe you should be the next host of radio eight ball.

So please do feel free to reach out.

Give us your interpretation.

Let us know if the song was speaking to you personally.

And if so, how, and as always know that you are invited for free to join me for

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May this deepen your own inquiry and exploration of

your night dreams, your energy.

The waking dream of your life and of course, synchronicity in the

best and highest way possible.

It is such an honor to be in sacred community with you.