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Synchronicity: Honoring the Sacred and Profane with Andras Jones
Episode 1814th June 2022 • A Lone Traveler's Guide to the Divine • Amanda Lux
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Episode Summary

Synchronicity: Hilarious, profound, sacred, and irreverent! In this special interview I speak with Andras Jones; musician, author, podcaster, creator of the Radio8Ball show, and actor (known in part for his role in Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master... hello, synchronicity!). 

In this Episode we use the Radio8Ball app to consult the Pop Oracle in a form of musical divination, including several original full-length songs that you are invited to interpret for yourself.

We also discuss:

  • The importance of honoring both the sacred and profane in a life that values and cultivates synchronicity 
  • How Olympia, the town Andras and I hail from has a secret Kabbalistic tree of life built into the downtown- as he describes in his book  “Accidental Initiations: In The Kabbalistic Tree of Olympia
  • His podcast  The World Is Wrong,  which focuses on what is right about movies that the rest of the world has been wrong about 
  • The history and origin of Radio8Ball, how I was a Sacred Usher on the show, and what that even means
  • His worst experience ever on stage (and how these difficulties have forged him)
  • Cheese
  • And so much more!

About Andras Jones

Andras Jones is the creator of Radio8Ball, a “Pop Oracle” he developed over 20 years beginning on KAOS in Olympia, Washington in 1998. He is the author of “Accidental Initiations: In The Kabbalistic Tree of Olympia” for Sync Book Press and the host of several podcasts including The World Is Wrong with fellow Olympia native Bryan Connolly. Beyond Olympia Andras is best known for his work in films like “A Nightmare On Elm Street 4: The Dream Master” and TV shows like “Good Morning Miss Bliss”. Those who know him best, know his songwriting and performing, under a variety of different monikers, all of which can be found at his site: previouslyyours.com

Get in touch:

Andras posed the question to the Pop Oracle about someone (perhaps me or you) stepping into the web of Radio8Ball...

and we would love to know what your interpretation was of the song "Little Spider." What could this mean for the future of the show?

Feel free to shoot us an email and let us know what you think!

Amanda: be@elevationhive.com

Andras: andrasjones@radio8ball.com 

A note from Andras on the synchronicity of this release:

This is coming out the week of my father’s birthday. June 10th. He would have been 97, and would be grateful not to have reached such a ripe age. Father’s day is next week. I bet some of his students listen to your show. They always found Radio8Ball when we were on KAOS.

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Songs featured in this episode:

“Record Store” by Andras Jones (with Scott Taylor, Skyler Blake & Peter David Connelly)

“Cheese” by Dan Bern – Recorded on Radio8Ball on KAOS in Olympia on November 11, 2006

“Little Spider” by Amelie Julac aka Julia McAlee on Alternative Talk 1150AM in Bellevue on June 24th, 2009

Other songs used: 

Alone/All One written and performed by Amanda Lux

https://uppbeat.io/t/sky-toes/the-long-ride-home



Transcripts

Andras Jones:

once you get that synchronicity feels

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good and you pursue that.

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It leads you towards intelligence.

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It leads you towards compassion and not in a way of like, you should do this.

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It's like, no, I want to feel good.

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I want more synchronicities.

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So I'm going to pay more attention.

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If I pay more attention, I'm going to feel more things.

Andras Jones:

And if I feel more things, I'm going to think better about them and yeah,

Andras Jones:

and then it just keeps, keeps going.

Andras Jones:

And that's why the sacred and the profane,

Amanda Lux:

Welcome to a lone travelers guide to the divine, a podcast for

Amanda Lux:

empaths, healers, dreamers, and seekers.

Amanda Lux:

My name is Amanda Lux and I'm the creator of the elevation hive,

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school and community membership for energy medicine and dream.

Amanda Lux:

In this podcast, I offer teachings, poetry, songs, interviews,

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and inspiration to support you wherever you are on your path.

Amanda Lux:

Today is a special interview with Andras Jones, who is a synchronicity artist.

Amanda Lux:

Andras is a singer songwriter, actor, author, podcaster of his current show.

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The world is wrong and of the infamous radio eight ball.

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Which started out on live college radio and evolved over 20 years,

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time to being both a filmed and live onstage event, as well as a podcast

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with over 700 episodes and its own app, which is super cool by the way.

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And you should totally, totally check that out.

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Andras and I go way back and I was fortunate enough to get to

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participate on multiple occasions over the past decade as a sacred usher.

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For his live radio eight ball show where I would be holding space for the

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often silly irreverent, yet profound happenings that would occur as a result

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of this synchronicity game Andras.

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And I talk about this and we also discuss the power of.

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Living in synchronicity and how the sacred and profane are equally

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as valid and important polarities to honor in one's pursuit of and

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appreciation for synchronicity.

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We demonstrate how radio eight ball works by actually playing the game.

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In this episode, engaging with the app, asking real questions and

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divining the answers through music, which is hilarious, fun, and profound.

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So it's a little bit of a longer than usual episode, but it's full of.

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Really cool music that I wouldn't normally play.

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Lots of synchronicity and fun, and there's even a few twists and I

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look forward to engaging with you after you have given it a listen.

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So I hope you will listen through and weigh in on your

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response to the pop Oracle.

Amanda Lux:

So here is Andras Jones.

Amanda Lux:

Thank you for being here and making the space.

Amanda Lux:

I do feel really honored to get, to have this conversation with you , I

Amanda Lux:

wanted to invite you to be on this show.

Amanda Lux:

Number one, you had reached out to me right before I went to Puerto Rico and

Amanda Lux:

you offered me a book your father's book about dreams, the dream poet.

Amanda Lux:

And I mean, even the name itself just like drew me in.

Amanda Lux:

I'm like, oh man, that's great because I love poetry.

Amanda Lux:

I love the poetry of life.

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And I love dreams.

Amanda Lux:

You've listened to this podcast.

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And you said there is some similarities crossover, and I fully, fully felt that

Amanda Lux:

as I was reading it and felt really honored that you saw that , and that

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you let me take the book and I have carried it with me through Puerto

Amanda Lux:

Rico and through various airports.

Amanda Lux:

And in Mexico, , Richard

Andras Jones:

M.

Andras Jones:

Jones, his name search for it.

Andras Jones:

And you will find many disparate strands and it might not lead you to them.

Andras Jones:

But if you look for Richard Jones, the dream poet, you can find copies.

Andras Jones:

And unless I find them before you, in which case I'm

Andras Jones:

going to buy them up, right.

Andras Jones:

Gathered them.

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So I can give them to people who are drawn synchronistically into my web,

Andras Jones:

who I feel really need to, or not need to, but will benefit or enjoy his

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work and feel like he was a teacher.

Andras Jones:

He was a professor at evergreen, right.

Andras Jones:

It was the, one of the founding faculty at evergreen.

Andras Jones:

What was sort of the most fundamentally radical thing about evergreen was

Andras Jones:

one of his, I wouldn't say it's his contribution, but his team's contribution,

Andras Jones:

which is the sort of education for its own sake, kind of quality, which may

Andras Jones:

or may not still be a factor there.

Andras Jones:

If you listen to the old timers, it's definitely not a, we're doing a lot of

Andras Jones:

cryptic talking, which I feel like I've been told it can be scary to, like,

Andras Jones:

I don't want to tease the listeners.

Andras Jones:

I'm not trying to do that.

Andras Jones:

It's just, I feel like considering that our connection.

Andras Jones:

Radio eight ball and sacred ushering and synchronicity.

Andras Jones:

And we're already just in the first bit of this talking about

Andras Jones:

my father and his book, right?

Andras Jones:

Yeah.

Andras Jones:

Ma one of his, but I, the reason I say it's his book because it's the

Andras Jones:

one dedicated to me and my brother.

Andras Jones:

And so I grew up with this book and it was when I was a baby and

Andras Jones:

a young child, he was writing it.

Andras Jones:

And then it was the first book of his that came out when I was conscious.

Andras Jones:

And so as someone who puts out products, records, films, books of my own episodes

Andras Jones:

of podcasts, that was the first release that I ever experienced, uh, which

Andras Jones:

since my dad was a Freudian, he would get a huge kick out of that was the

Andras Jones:

first release I ever experienced.

Amanda Lux:

That's great.

Amanda Lux:

Yes.

Amanda Lux:

Well, and I do want to touch on more of our history and connection.

Amanda Lux:

, but I also want to just give you the opportunity to introduce yourself.

Amanda Lux:

You have so many different things that you do.

Amanda Lux:

Like you mentioned podcasting and your radio eight ball show

Amanda Lux:

and then film and current film coming out and historical films.

Amanda Lux:

So I don't know.

Amanda Lux:

Is, is there anything you want to say about just, could you

Amanda Lux:

share about the context of you?

Andras Jones:

What I would say is that people who are interested in that in

Andras Jones:

the context of me, there's a website that will, you'll be able to find.

Andras Jones:

If you look up my name on draft jones.com, but it's called previously yours.com.

Andras Jones:

Uh, my band was called Mr.

Andras Jones:

Jones and the previous, we went through many names.

Andras Jones:

And if you really want to know, what's fundamental to me and has

Andras Jones:

always been fundamental to me.

Andras Jones:

It's that songs and songwriting.

Andras Jones:

That's where I had my first real experience at synchronicity.

Andras Jones:

And then.

Andras Jones:

Somehow that led to creating radio eight ball, which was holding space

Andras Jones:

for all these other songwriters to have their songs be in this a bubbling

Andras Jones:

fountain of synchronicity around where their songs are, the bubbles.

Andras Jones:

And I did that for a long time.

Andras Jones:

And so the synchronicity works seems tied to that.

Andras Jones:

And even songwriting, I feel like is kind of what made, made me an actor

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because the first monologues I ever learned were songs that I learned to

Andras Jones:

sing to myself, walking home from school.

Andras Jones:

This is back before when we had anyone had headphones for anything to walk with.

Andras Jones:

I had a bone phone.

Andras Jones:

You remember, you probably are too.

Andras Jones:

A bone phone was just basically a scarf with speakers.

Amanda Lux:

And you had your super cool.

Andras Jones:

It wasn't that cool I've looked them up, but they're may, they

Andras Jones:

were made out of some sort of like totally chemical, like rain kind of thing.

Andras Jones:

So they've all deteriorated.

Andras Jones:

You can't find a

Amanda Lux:

bone phones from, well, and I love the, you know,

Amanda Lux:

synchronicity is going to be coming up.

Amanda Lux:

That's definitely, I would say that's, that's it.

Andras Jones:

It's my, that's my that's the art form that I've focused

Andras Jones:

on that is unique to most people.

Andras Jones:

Right?

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Uh, a lot of people act, I love acting, which I feel like is synchronistic

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work and I love songwriting and I like writing sometimes.

Andras Jones:

It's, it's harder.

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Once you've learned, once you've been able to put music onto your words, the words.

Andras Jones:

I feel pretty, uh, naked against, uh, a

Amanda Lux:

cool, oh man.

Amanda Lux:

I think you're an excellent writer.

Amanda Lux:

I love your, your way with language and you have at least

Amanda Lux:

one book that I know of for sure.

Amanda Lux:

The accidental initiation and I love how you go into the

Amanda Lux:

kabbalistic tree of Olympia.

Andras Jones:

It's there.

Andras Jones:

I will actually, right before, one of the things I did today was I went for

Andras Jones:

a bike ride around the base of it.

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And that was it's.

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It's amazing to have.

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So I should explain that a cop for, for those who don't know the cobblistic.

Andras Jones:

Uh, do you have a, do you have a website or anything at this?

Andras Jones:

You could just take a picture of this image before you leave

Andras Jones:

and post it with the podcast.

Andras Jones:

So I can just, if you're interested, you guys look on the podcast notes

Andras Jones:

and the cobblistic tree is this image, which many different systems

Andras Jones:

of belief see it as a very useful map of consciousness, which is great for,

Andras Jones:

uh, going back to my father's work.

Andras Jones:

My, my dad was a dream psychologist who learned how to clinically treat

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people using dreams and then realized that dreams could be equally and maybe

Andras Jones:

even more valuable to people who don't need to be clinically treated and

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just want to use them to make their lives richer and more fulfilling.

Andras Jones:

And that was the essence of his education.

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And in a way, the cobblistic tree can be used the same way you

Andras Jones:

can use it to solve a problem.

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Or to try and pinpoint a problem or to try and get something or find heal something.

Andras Jones:

And if you know where one is built into a place that you live, and since

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the Freemasons built this country and built a whole bunch of them, usually

Andras Jones:

into capital cities of which Olympia is one or just capital grounds,

Andras Jones:

state grounds, like old state houses, things like that, you'll find them.

Andras Jones:

And then just walking in one also can be useful to get or do or solve or heal.

Andras Jones:

But it's also just experientially.

Amanda Lux:

Wonderful.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

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Yes.

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Well, especially when you bring that consciousness to it, because, you know,

Amanda Lux:

I walked around the area of that or gone on runs around there for years and years.

Amanda Lux:

And before I met you in new, and then you introduced me to that.

Amanda Lux:

And the significance of the different locations along it and how you can kind

Amanda Lux:

of hold your consciousness there and the way that the conversations you and

Amanda Lux:

I have had many walks and talks around that and the way the conversation flows

Amanda Lux:

when you're in certain areas and how that relates is the coolest thing.

Amanda Lux:

So I love that you wrote about that and shared it and, , and then

Amanda Lux:

also have taken groups of people.

Amanda Lux:

Have you done that recently taking people on walks around it?

Andras Jones:

Uh, I used to, I guess this gets to like Y uh,

Andras Jones:

sort of a sea change in my work.

Andras Jones:

So I've been building, I built radio eight ball for like 20 years.

Andras Jones:

I started it on chaos, K O S and Olympia in 1998 radio station.

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It's a, it's the community, the college station, the community station

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housed at the evergreen state college.

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And so I started radio eight ball.

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On chaos in 1998, when I come back to Olympia after living in Hollywood

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and doing movies and putting out records and having a band, like

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convince my band to come back here.

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Cause my dad got very ill and uh Alzheimer's and it was a long

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drawn out and this is definitely an accidental initiation.

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And so I came back and I found myself here and part of my mourning process, once

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he was gone was to go back to evergreen.

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And that's how I got involved in chaos.

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And then they sort of naturally evolved this format of we've been referencing.

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I should say what it is now of asking question and picking a song

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at random and then interpreting it like a musical taro card.

Andras Jones:

And if you're listening and saying, I do that all the time, it's

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like, yes, yes, of course you do.

Andras Jones:

And because it's a very, we all do that all the time.

Andras Jones:

Those of us who are, who are the kind of people who would listen to a podcast

Andras Jones:

like this, if you are connected to dreams and synchronicity at art and.

Andras Jones:

And whether you intentionally do it or you just, it just happens.

Andras Jones:

Yes.

Amanda Lux:

And buy it.

Amanda Lux:

What I'm assuming is you mean, like you're thinking about something or you have an

Amanda Lux:

issue, an active issue or a question or something in your life that's happening.

Amanda Lux:

And in that moment, a song comes on and you're like, oh my gosh, this song is

Amanda Lux:

totally speaking to me about exactly what I need to hear in this moment.

Amanda Lux:

It's giving me a message.

Amanda Lux:

Like the universe is speaking through this music

Andras Jones:

as if it was your dream as if it was your

Amanda Lux:

dream.

Andras Jones:

But what I will say to you is that my experience is that

Andras Jones:

when you gather people together to do that experience together, whether

Andras Jones:

it's in a room together or on a radio station, broadcasting to people who

Andras Jones:

were experiencing it at that moment.

Andras Jones:

And I think to some degree to a podcast though, I'm still not entirely

Andras Jones:

sure it magnifies that experience.

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And this is where we get to sacred.

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Ushering is.

Andras Jones:

Over the years radiate ball had, has had many iterations started on a radio

Andras Jones:

on a late night radio show where we just play CDs on shuffle function.

Andras Jones:

So people would call in we'd play CDs on truffle function.

Andras Jones:

We didn't even intend to have that.

Andras Jones:

Be the show with the idea was just, we were going to play

Andras Jones:

CDs on shuffle function, right.

Andras Jones:

And then the Oracle, the pop Oracle, as I call it just started talking to

Andras Jones:

us and started answering questions.

Andras Jones:

We didn't even know we'd asked or were responding to things that we

Andras Jones:

were saying in between the songs.

Andras Jones:

And then people started calling in and it was, it was so incredibly organic.

Andras Jones:

Like, you know, just like opening up a vein or, or striking oil.

Andras Jones:

Both of those are really terrible, uh, analogies, but just for like, like I

Andras Jones:

didn't, I was just fooling around and then all of a sudden it's like, oh my

Andras Jones:

God, we're drowning in this abundance.

Andras Jones:

It's incredible.

Andras Jones:

I guess blood and oil are both symbols of abundance.

Andras Jones:

And when you realize that it just flows from just from doing this thing.

Andras Jones:

Uh, well, I was more blown away than my co-host was.

Andras Jones:

He was sort of blown out of it just sort of was like, ah,

Andras Jones:

like we did it for a while.

Andras Jones:

It was fun, but he was like, I wrote a theme song and I

Andras Jones:

started to really get into it.

Andras Jones:

And he's like, I just wanted to play CDs on shuffle function, man.

Andras Jones:

I know I didn't want to start a new religion.

Andras Jones:

Not that I ever have ever intent.

Andras Jones:

That's been never my intention.

Andras Jones:

In fact, the opposite was the idea is to keep it as profane on its face as

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possible and keep it as sacred behind the scenes as possible, which brings us

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to sacred ushering was when I started to do this as a live show with a live

Andras Jones:

band and celebrities Skyping in and people from the audience coming up

Andras Jones:

and asking questions and filming it and holding space for a lot in, yeah.

Andras Jones:

I came up with the idea that there should be a group of people who are holding

Andras Jones:

energy for the audience, for the band.

Andras Jones:

And for me, you need to, all three legs of the stool are equally deserving of

Andras Jones:

not being broken because otherwise it's a very, it's not a, it's a squeaky stool.

Andras Jones:

And you were one of these.

Andras Jones:

Yes.

Andras Jones:

You were one of these sacred ushers.

Andras Jones:

You were, I would say that at this point, as it's proven out, you're the

Andras Jones:

owner, you were the only sacred usher.

Andras Jones:

There were, there were a lot of people who got to who got cast in

Andras Jones:

the role, but you're the only one who has fulfilled on my vision for it.

Andras Jones:

And your podcast.

Andras Jones:

That's what struck me is like this.

Andras Jones:

You are.

Andras Jones:

It's still doing it, right.

Andras Jones:

You're still doing, in fact, you're doing radiate ball better because

Andras Jones:

I don't want to say better because I want that that's an insult again,

Andras Jones:

that's a, it's insulting the chair.

Andras Jones:

Like all those people, all the musicians, everyone who contributed to it was so

Andras Jones:

great, but I you're the person who I see continuing the synchronicity work.

Andras Jones:

I woke up this morning thinking, I wonder if Amanda's the next host of radio eight

Andras Jones:

ball because eventually I really that's.

Andras Jones:

My next goal is to, is to hand it off to be.

Andras Jones:

I would like to be the musician for awhile and let someone else

Andras Jones:

be the host of radio eight ball.

Andras Jones:

But as we may get into it's really, it's not an easy path.

Andras Jones:

And so maybe that's why sacred ushers are so necessary.

Andras Jones:

So could you explain what you felt like sacred ushering was?

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

Well, , I loved your vision.

Amanda Lux:

I thought radio eight ball was super cool idea , , And when you described to me

Amanda Lux:

that role of just holding space, like you said, for the audience for, you know, I

Amanda Lux:

think having a really, , good integrity within the container is essential for any

Amanda Lux:

kind of magic to occur in a safe place.

Amanda Lux:

Right.

Amanda Lux:

And by magic, I don't mean something beyond what's natural, ? I mean,

Amanda Lux:

having a conscious field where we understand that more than entertainment

Amanda Lux:

is happening, this could be triggering somebody's healing process.

Amanda Lux:

This could be, , life changing life altering and indefinitely is altering

Amanda Lux:

because you're bringing in a level of awareness and depth that alters your.

Amanda Lux:

Right.

Amanda Lux:

So how I felt my role as the sacred usher of your show was to, , hold

Amanda Lux:

that consciousness around the integrity of the container so that

Amanda Lux:

the whatever needed to happen could happen for the highest good, right.

Amanda Lux:

That was sort of my spell, whatever for the highest good.

Amanda Lux:

And I'm here to be a witness I'm here to be entertained.

Amanda Lux:

And I see one thing I loved about radio eight ball too, was that it

Amanda Lux:

doesn't separate the, irreverent profane from the sacred, right.

Amanda Lux:

And the, and the deep and profound, so that they're kind

Amanda Lux:

of married in that experience.

Amanda Lux:

And oftentimes the song in answer to a very serious.

Amanda Lux:

Question was really silly, but within that sacred fool energy is so much

Amanda Lux:

richness and great art in my opinion.

Amanda Lux:

So, and that's definitely been a contemplation of mine today, just knowing

Amanda Lux:

that we were doing this interview.

Amanda Lux:

And, , just thinking about what to me is great art, and I really appreciate

Amanda Lux:

that you bring those two elements, those two polarities in of the entertainment,

Amanda Lux:

, just trying to bring something that's so sacred and true and real and

Amanda Lux:

divinatory into Hollywood or onto the air or into an entertainment realm

Amanda Lux:

I was reading about that, how you describe the radio eight ball show and that in our

Amanda Lux:

current culture, we've lost a bit of a.

Amanda Lux:

Active listening, you know, to, especially to independent music.

Amanda Lux:

Right.

Amanda Lux:

And so you were really intentionally featuring artists that you felt

Amanda Lux:

had integrity and, , inviting an opportunity to pay attention,

Amanda Lux:

to really listen to the music.

Amanda Lux:

So it makes sense to me that you're, you also want to be on that end of it, right?

Amanda Lux:

Like music needs to be heard.

Andras Jones:

I mean, yeah.

Andras Jones:

I think I met you after I put that down, but I've been doing that for like that's.

Andras Jones:

I mean, I, that was my main thing I put out, like before I probably met

Andras Jones:

you, I'd put up 10 records toward the country, multiple times, always

Andras Jones:

trying to do it and sort of with the same, with the same spirit.

Andras Jones:

I didn't, I didn't know that I was a synchronicity artist.

Andras Jones:

Right.

Andras Jones:

Uh, but same kind of thing, everyone in my band.

Andras Jones:

Superstars who are all of course going to go on to do much cooler and better things.

Andras Jones:

And that's, that's hard and that's a hard road to travel.

Andras Jones:

And maybe what makes me sympathetic to it's really just the artists who

Andras Jones:

are not listened to, you know, and the songs that are not listened to.

Andras Jones:

And the, and it's, I don't want to use war analogies, but it is sort of a battle

Andras Jones:

against the talkers in the audience.

Andras Jones:

And what I found was that if you ask a question, this is

Andras Jones:

what I found well into that.

Andras Jones:

Could we be doing radio eight ball for other reasons for a long time, but once

Andras Jones:

we did it on stage, and I realized that if you ask a question and spin a wheel,

Andras Jones:

and then especially if there's someone really there, like someone gets up and is

Andras Jones:

like, is my relationship going to work?

Andras Jones:

Right?

Andras Jones:

And then you spin a wheel.

Andras Jones:

People do not talk through the song and they're not doing it out of respect.

Andras Jones:

For anything except their own fear for their own relationship and their own hope

Andras Jones:

for this person and all this other stuff,

Amanda Lux:

curiosity, curiosity, you're listening with active curiosity.

Amanda Lux:

And that's what I think I love the most.

Amanda Lux:

I love curiosity and I love synchronicity.

Amanda Lux:

It's built into everything, but having curiosity is vital

Amanda Lux:

to noticing it, to honoring it.

Amanda Lux:

Right.

Amanda Lux:

And I felt like that show in that space really cultivated that a sense

Amanda Lux:

of curiosity, playfulness, , it was play it's playful and that's great.

Amanda Lux:

I think that's important.

Amanda Lux:

, but it's also sacred and deep and true, real stuff happened,

Amanda Lux:

, every time I was like, wow.

Andras Jones:

Yeah.

Andras Jones:

And then if you add recording into the bargain, that adds a whole other level of.

Andras Jones:

I can't tell you how many times I've gone back to a show that I, or a reading

Andras Jones:

that I thought was bad and realized that it was speaking to the, to me

Andras Jones:

personally, and to the state of the world at that time in ways that nobody in

Andras Jones:

that room at that time could have known.

Andras Jones:

And that's the experience with every one of them really.

Andras Jones:

So one at a certain point, you develop, you develop faith, faith in that your

Andras Jones:

judgment of how good or relevant or valuable things are, can be totally off.

Andras Jones:

And that's a freeing thing because your worst day could be the exact right

Andras Jones:

thing that is needed in that moment.

Andras Jones:

And.

Andras Jones:

If you can get over your ego about it, which time will do to you.

Andras Jones:

It's cause it's easier to say I was so stupid then, then you'd be

Andras Jones:

like, I'm so stupid now, especially on, yeah, that was the hard part.

Andras Jones:

We did.

Andras Jones:

People came to it, expecting an entertainment thing.

Andras Jones:

And that's why I tried to have the shake rushers there to give some

Andras Jones:

people a little heads up as they walked in and some people had turned off.

Andras Jones:

They were like, oh, this is what is this weird thing.

Andras Jones:

But I still felt like that's better than people coming in and being

Andras Jones:

like, I've had bad experiences.

Andras Jones:

People show up thinking, they're going to see that artist show and they get

Andras Jones:

something else because one of the worst experiences I've ever had on stage,

Andras Jones:

we had Mira and she played in LA.

Andras Jones:

It was this big theater and like 300 Mira fans showed up

Andras Jones:

expecting to see a mirror show.

Andras Jones:

And they had some dude with a wheel asking questions and the wheel mess with

Andras Jones:

me because that was, I used to do that.

Andras Jones:

We had a Zodiac wheel.

Andras Jones:

Now we have a wheel of one through eight, but we used a Zodiac wheel.

Andras Jones:

Did you ever, you were there for Zodiac wheel shows?

Andras Jones:

Uh, but in the middle of it was a radio weight thing and that's

Andras Jones:

when I would have my song come up.

Andras Jones:

So my song came up like three times the last one they're

Andras Jones:

like, we're all just watching.

Andras Jones:

Everyone's like

Andras Jones:

And like the audience by the end was actively hostile to me.

Andras Jones:

And Amir is one of my favorite artists.

Andras Jones:

I'm a mirror fan.

Andras Jones:

That was one of the words that was really, he was one of the worst nights of my life.

Andras Jones:

It was like it just, and the fallout from, as you like imagined getting

Andras Jones:

that energy from one person that you care about their opinion, but okay.

Andras Jones:

That energy.

Andras Jones:

And I'd been, you know, you'd been putting everything into building

Andras Jones:

this up for eight weeks of promotion.

Andras Jones:

We have Mira, it's going to be great.

Andras Jones:

It's spring in LA.

Andras Jones:

And the metaphor of that

Andras Jones:

has forged me.

Andras Jones:

You know, there are things that I'm not scared of, that I used to be

Andras Jones:

more scared of and there's things that I can just be like that ain't

Andras Jones:

no big thing because that's very

Amanda Lux:

powerful thinking about it.

Amanda Lux:

I know, I know that that's part of your story and your walk, you know, that

Amanda Lux:

you've moved through quite a few fires and that has forged you in many, many ways.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

And with your show, starting with KAOS and having to not

Amanda Lux:

have your show there anymore.

Amanda Lux:

Just going on and on.

Amanda Lux:

There's been, I know that you've dealt with that throughout your time.

Amanda Lux:

And that in some ways I love that that aspect of your story

Amanda Lux:

or your walk or your history has informed your art in so many ways.

Amanda Lux:

And your current podcast, the world is wrong.

Amanda Lux:

Do you want

Andras Jones:

to say anything about it?

Andras Jones:

Well, the world is wrong is an extremely positive podcast where we celebrate films.

Andras Jones:

The world is wrong about, so the movies that you hear, what I would

Andras Jones:

refer to as bullies, other people might refer to them as critics.

Andras Jones:

And some people might refer to them as just audiences with strong opinions.

Andras Jones:

I still call them bullies because the films can't fight back.

Andras Jones:

And our whole idea is we talk about films.

Andras Jones:

We like, and if there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure, if you like.

Andras Jones:

It's a good film and let's have the conversation about why you think

Andras Jones:

it's good, how you think it's good.

Andras Jones:

It's not an interesting conversation, which is like how

Andras Jones:

I think the film you love is bad.

Andras Jones:

And I would apply that to.

Andras Jones:

Everything.

Andras Jones:

Yeah.

Andras Jones:

That how I think what you like.dot or do.dot.is bad is the least

Andras Jones:

interesting conversation in the world.

Andras Jones:

And why are you into that thing that I think is, is an interesting conversation.

Amanda Lux:

I downloaded the app and I had no idea you had that.

Amanda Lux:

It was so exciting.

Amanda Lux:

I love it.

Amanda Lux:

Absolutely love it.

Amanda Lux:

And I wrote in my question , you know, I got up this morning and I was really

Amanda Lux:

meditating on this interview , so I wrote down, as I prepare for this

Amanda Lux:

interview with Andras on a lone travelers podcast , what is at the heart of it?

Amanda Lux:

What is the most important thing for me to know?

Amanda Lux:

, how do I prepare, what do I need to hold in my mind?

Amanda Lux:

You know?

Amanda Lux:

And the answer I got was this song called cheese

Andras Jones:

By Dan Bern.

Andras Jones:

Yes.

Andras Jones:

cheese cheese cheese cheese

Amanda Lux:

She, jeez.

Amanda Lux:

It was cheese.

Amanda Lux:

That was the song.

Andras Jones:

It looks like it was recorded.

Andras Jones:

Live on chaos and Olympia on November 21st, 2006.

Andras Jones:

my mama told me about the four basic food groups, milk, dairy

Andras Jones:

bread, fruits, and vegetables.

Andras Jones:

I learned them religiously and tried hard to have them not for every meal.

Andras Jones:

Then every day, a balanced diet is awfully important.

Andras Jones:

For instance, Fisher rolls and milk and pee, but on the road, all that.

Andras Jones:

Something sharp black girl can be absolutely stunning.

Andras Jones:

But last week I had moderate JAG, five days running every now and then

Andras Jones:

I say, and some crackers, but usually

Andras Jones:

um, baby, come with me on some of my great adventure every now and then we'll stop a

Andras Jones:

little while in Paris or London or wrong.

Andras Jones:

We can have some caviar in central pay.

Andras Jones:

I have a flat Ali is the key, but

Andras Jones:

on the road, all like.

Andras Jones:

Cheese cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese.

Andras Jones:

Jay's Jay's Jay's Jay's

Andras Jones:

mostly.

Andras Jones:

Um, yeah.

Andras Jones:

Hmm.

Amanda Lux:

How does that for you?

Andras Jones:

Oh

Andras Jones:

yeah, that was a lot.

Andras Jones:

His format just turns a, uh, could turn a goofy little song

Andras Jones:

into like the most gut wrenching.

Andras Jones:

I dunno, hug.

Andras Jones:

What did you get out of that as the answer to your question,

Amanda Lux:

I knew that we were going to be meeting today and I knew that you

Amanda Lux:

were fasting, you're fasting right now.

Amanda Lux:

And I have been.

Amanda Lux:

preparing to do a deeper cleanse,

Amanda Lux:

so I was thinking deeply this morning about what is a cleanse for me.

Amanda Lux:

And where does cheese fit into that?

Amanda Lux:

I was literally, I was thinking 'cause I don't, I didn't even

Amanda Lux:

want cheese when I was in Mexico.

Amanda Lux:

And I was, it was so easy to just have juice every day.

Amanda Lux:

But since I got home and I'm in this environment, right.

Amanda Lux:

I just want to eat cheese.

Amanda Lux:

I don't know.

Amanda Lux:

It's bad.

Amanda Lux:

I don't know.

Amanda Lux:

It's comfort.

Amanda Lux:

There's something about it.

Amanda Lux:

I loved the song.

Amanda Lux:

I love the melody.

Amanda Lux:

I love the way he sings.

Amanda Lux:

It is very heartfelt to me.

Amanda Lux:

It puts me in my heart when I hear it.

Amanda Lux:

And it's kind of light and silly.

Amanda Lux:

And I definitely felt that , knocking on my door this morning.

Amanda Lux:

I always pay attention to the epiphany's that come in the morning.

Amanda Lux:

Not always have a lot of them, but the more I have, the more

Amanda Lux:

I'm like, this is a good day.

Amanda Lux:

This is an interesting day.

Amanda Lux:

I've had a lot of epiphany's before noon.

Amanda Lux:

So today was one of those days and I was really contemplating the beauty of,

Amanda Lux:

life as an art form in and of itself that when we really pay attention

Amanda Lux:

to synchronicity and we really honor, , that everything is sacred.

Amanda Lux:

It really does bring us full circle into that sacred fool place where

Amanda Lux:

everything is also equally as ridiculous,

Amanda Lux:

so I was in that space with it.

Amanda Lux:

I'm like, wow, this is profound and ridiculous.

Amanda Lux:

It's cheese.

Amanda Lux:

There's nothing cheesier than cheese itself.

Andras Jones:

Exactly, exactly.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

I felt moved by it.

Amanda Lux:

I loved the song.

Amanda Lux:

, but I'm curious, what was your take on it?

Amanda Lux:

It felt like it moved emotion.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah.

Amanda Lux:

I

Andras Jones:

Can't really, I, I don't think I could really explain.

Andras Jones:

I will try.

Andras Jones:

There's just stuff that's going on in my life where the ID, like the

Andras Jones:

four basic food groups are bullshit and the song starts with my mom

Andras Jones:

taught me about the four basic food groups and sort of accepting that

Andras Jones:

some fundamental things that I always believed or counted on were as.

Andras Jones:

Valid as the four food groups.

Andras Jones:

Right.

Andras Jones:

And, uh, so that hit me at first.

Andras Jones:

And then, uh, and then just, and then being transported back to that

Andras Jones:

time with Dan, which was a simpler time for all of us was really potent.

Andras Jones:

And

Andras Jones:

that was like the, those were like the, the sparks of kindling and Tinder going.

Andras Jones:

And then just the wash of being, uh, being back in the space of

Andras Jones:

synchronicity and radio eight ball.

Andras Jones:

It reminds I, for years, I told you I used to tour for years.

Andras Jones:

And the last tour I went on, I started in Boston on September 8th, 2001.

Andras Jones:

So something happened three days into my.

Andras Jones:

Across America.

Andras Jones:

And when I would perform, I would always, I couldn't perform without crying.

Andras Jones:

It's gonna be confusing when I say that that's part of my like erotic expression,

Andras Jones:

like dancing, laughing, crying.

Andras Jones:

That's one of the ways that energy moves through me when I'm incredibly inspired.

Andras Jones:

It's also impossible to saying, try talking when you're on the verge of tears.

Andras Jones:

Now imagine trying to sing in front of a group of people.

Andras Jones:

And you know, that the fact that you're crying knows that you're

Andras Jones:

getting to the place where the song needs to get, but your instrument

Andras Jones:

is constricting as you're doing it.

Andras Jones:

And, uh, and a lot of other stuff.

Andras Jones:

And it was just a lot of trauma in trying to do with art when you're,

Andras Jones:

when you're young in a big way.

Andras Jones:

And I was just so hurt and it was just coming through.

Andras Jones:

Um, and radiate ball got to that point a couple, a few, a couple of years ago when

Andras Jones:

I started the world is wrong in the middle of the beginning of COVID we're doing it.

Andras Jones:

And then just everyone just got so confused about based upon

Andras Jones:

whatever their reality tunnels were.

Andras Jones:

And I just felt like it just, wasn't a safe space to explore.

Andras Jones:

And since I've stepped away with it from it, I kind of know that

Andras Jones:

I have hurt and trauma around it.

Andras Jones:

But as soon as we opened up that portal is just like taking a psychedelic.

Andras Jones:

The universe is right there just saying, Hey, I love you.

Andras Jones:

I can't take,

Andras Jones:

you know, tell me anything else.

Amanda Lux:

Yes.

Amanda Lux:

Yes.

Amanda Lux:

Wow.

Amanda Lux:

So, so that's the heart of it.

Amanda Lux:

there's heart at the heart of it.

Amanda Lux:

And some broken heart and some universal love and things

Andras Jones:

to clear that.

Andras Jones:

I wrote a new song recently called just get out of my head, which is the choruses.

Andras Jones:

Get out of my head, get out of my heart.

Andras Jones:

This is that's my mantra.

Andras Jones:

I'll share it with you people, if there's any, just get out of

Andras Jones:

my head, get out of my heart.

Andras Jones:

You know, I know it might sound counterintuitive because

Andras Jones:

they'll just keep coming back.

Andras Jones:

That's fine.

Andras Jones:

Good boundaries and good boundaries are really hard.

Andras Jones:

Yeah.

Andras Jones:

Yeah.

Andras Jones:

It's very true because the world is wrong.

Andras Jones:

Fortunately, unfortunately, earth is right.

Andras Jones:

Nature is right.

Andras Jones:

This interaction synchronicity is right.

Andras Jones:

But the world, the critical world that makes things mean things.

Andras Jones:

And I mean that in both ways makes things mean things right.

Andras Jones:

That world is wrong.

Andras Jones:

And now I'm, that's, that's where I'm at right now.

Andras Jones:

It's like trying to just get in the scrum and, and defend the

Andras Jones:

helpless works of art against.

Andras Jones:

The mean and wrong world.

Andras Jones:

And that's why bring it back to this podcast that you're doing.

Andras Jones:

And this is why, why I was so inspired because I was like, oh, here's someone

Andras Jones:

who's doing the synchronicity work, who is not as wounded as I am by

Andras Jones:

the experiences that I had with it.

Andras Jones:

And I think that brings me, can we end on my question for the pop-up

Andras Jones:

you inspired this question, I'm asking this question to you and about

Andras Jones:

you, but including the audience is the next host of radio eight ball,

Andras Jones:

listening to this musical divination.

Andras Jones:

And now I'm going to give it a shake and we'll get our answer.

Andras Jones:

What's it

Amanda Lux:

going to be?

Andras Jones:

What's it going to be?

Andras Jones:

Oh, Amelie Julac little spider.

Andras Jones:

It's wonderful.

Andras Jones:

It's smart fantastical and barber.

Andras Jones:

And know that I'm a spider spinning what I will.

Andras Jones:

Yes.

Andras Jones:

You know that I'm a spider waiting for

Andras Jones:

but I love you.

Andras Jones:

And you should trust me.

Andras Jones:

You know, you need me.

Andras Jones:

That is how it must be.

Andras Jones:

If you'd say it back and open up your mouth slightly wider.

Andras Jones:

Maybe I would stop acting like such a little spider.

Andras Jones:

Don't be gloomy.

Andras Jones:

I am.

Andras Jones:

Your mother was, or when it got swim, they will have each other.

Andras Jones:

Well, I tell you when the swirl there is true evil, well, I'll protect.

Andras Jones:

Just stab into my way.

Andras Jones:

Don't be afraid, dear.

Andras Jones:

I am your mother when it gets RMD.

Andras Jones:

Well, Javier either

Andras Jones:

without me, you'd be all alone and frigid freezing frightful weather,

Andras Jones:

but you are safe out of a war with me.

Andras Jones:

We're both in this together.

Andras Jones:

Yes.

Andras Jones:

Without me.

Andras Jones:

You'd be all alone.

Andras Jones:

Out in the cruel cruel world.

Andras Jones:

I take you out, dust you off your hair.

Andras Jones:

Gets washed and curl.

Andras Jones:

Um,

Andras Jones:

cover.

Andras Jones:

Yes.

Andras Jones:

I remember all the silly things I said, but darlin you're no use to me if

Andras Jones:

which brings to mind the fact that you're still in my now I'll wrap you

Andras Jones:

up in cell and feed your mother's milk.

Andras Jones:

And then my dear bye.

Andras Jones:

As soon as you engage this.

Andras Jones:

Like with the psychedelic, the, all the realities and all the different

Andras Jones:

points of views and perspectives merge in a really powerful way, sort of like

Andras Jones:

in a dream or with a synchronicity.

Andras Jones:

If you're listening to this, do you think that your, the spider talking

Andras Jones:

to you, are you the spider and I'm the person asking, or am I this?

Andras Jones:

Are you listening and thinking that I'm the spike or that radio

Andras Jones:

eight balls a spider, and it's going to bite off your head.

Andras Jones:

As I was listening, I was thinking I was going to invite someone who is going to

Andras Jones:

bite off my head, but in the context of what I'm saying, what I want from radio

Andras Jones:

eight ball, that's exactly what I want.

Andras Jones:

I want to be able to be the one who's playing and playing the music and someone

Andras Jones:

else gets to be smart and thoughtful and grounded and hold the space.

Andras Jones:

I don't want my head involved at all.

Andras Jones:

I want my voice, my fingers and my heart, my.

Amanda Lux:

Everything.

Amanda Lux:

Yes.

Amanda Lux:

Yes.

Amanda Lux:

Yes.

Amanda Lux:

I love that.

Amanda Lux:

And I'm

Andras Jones:

also in a place of having boundaries around the mother that are, uh,

Andras Jones:

that both of these songs just walloped me.

Andras Jones:

And that's, I think that's the experience of if you were to, if we, if we were

Andras Jones:

doing radio eight ball shows, and if you came to a radio eight ball show, and

Andras Jones:

maybe if you listen to one of our long form podcasts, or maybe you can have

Andras Jones:

that experience, uh, after the fact, but in the moment, this is the experience

Andras Jones:

is that you go there and everyone's getting the answers to their question,

Andras Jones:

but your thing is getting tweaked all throughout, like is like someone

Andras Jones:

else who's not having mother issues.

Andras Jones:

Isn't gonna listen to the songs in here, really that at all, they're

Andras Jones:

gonna hear something else, eating cheese and spiders and eating and

Andras Jones:

devour like, Hey, is that you know?

Andras Jones:

So at first I was scared listening.

Andras Jones:

Then I was really moved.

Andras Jones:

And now talking about.

Andras Jones:

I kind of get what the answer is for me, but it doesn't really because my

Andras Jones:

real answer is this passive aggressive, like help me, could someone please.

Andras Jones:

I built this amazing thing.

Andras Jones:

I built this amazing vehicle and I, for some reason am incapable of driving.

Andras Jones:

It it's like Moses in the promise land.

Andras Jones:

I'm not allowed in, especially if it's an Olympia.

Andras Jones:

If I come in, I will be rewarded with fists literal or figurative,

Andras Jones:

but someone else could do this thing.

Andras Jones:

And I think, especially if it was you, man,

Andras Jones:

you could, I, you could bite off my head and I'd be okay

Amanda Lux:

with it.

Amanda Lux:

I loved a lot of the words, , in that song.

Amanda Lux:

And it started out very , Fantastical and all of that, , I was on a journey

Amanda Lux:

with it, but I didn't ever quite know how to orient myself within the journey.

Amanda Lux:

It felt a little disorienting to me.

Amanda Lux:

I wasn't ever sure who was, what and where, and is it, is it a

Amanda Lux:

friend or is it pray, is it we're going to be cozy together?

Amanda Lux:

And then it's suddenly until the storm and now you're my food because you're good.

Amanda Lux:

Are you to me anymore?

Amanda Lux:

I love the perspective that, not being in your head , , and

Amanda Lux:

also of the transformation or the dismemberment of that,

Amanda Lux:

? Like on a shamanic level, that's

Amanda Lux:

. And we are always all those roles, you know, we are the predator and the

Amanda Lux:

prey, and I've had my own insights and revelations around that specifically

Amanda Lux:

that occurred in the spider.

Amanda Lux:

With the spider has the, , has the spiritual force of that dismemberment

Amanda Lux:

and have learned in my own way, what that feels like to be both

Amanda Lux:

on both ends and through that.

Amanda Lux:

So that was where I went.

Amanda Lux:

I did go there with that.

Amanda Lux:

I'm like, wow, everything that we birth, you know, everything that

Amanda Lux:

we, and we are the mother of, you know, we, we also kill it.

Amanda Lux:

And we're also that thing that we get caught in our own web.

Amanda Lux:

And, and then we're freeing that energy.

Amanda Lux:

Really, nothing dies.

Amanda Lux:

It just transforms.

Amanda Lux:

So we're freeing.

Andras Jones:

Yes.

Andras Jones:

That's the that's that's the other part is like there's this synchronicity

Andras Jones:

is the experience of synchronicity is the experience of a web radio.

Andras Jones:

Eight ball is like a web in that the goal is to capture

Andras Jones:

synchronicities that we then.

Andras Jones:

Devour and leave behind because really, if you get too hung up on any

Andras Jones:

one synchronicity, it can mess you up, you know, that's, you know, you

Andras Jones:

gotta like, there they're abundant.

Andras Jones:

Right.

Amanda Lux:

And things have a purpose until they don't.

Amanda Lux:

And then it's time for them to be transformed.

Amanda Lux:

Right.

Amanda Lux:

, you're my buddy will cozy up here.

Amanda Lux:

It's all good until that time has passed and now I'm gonna eat you.

Amanda Lux:

You're my food.

Amanda Lux:

I'm gonna, you know, and turn it into a song

Andras Jones:

or a poem or a story that you tell.

Andras Jones:

And luckily there, you know, as long as we're breathing with, there are

Andras Jones:

more experiences to have and more synchronicities synchronicities to have.

Andras Jones:

Um, I guess that's the hope.

Andras Jones:

There's a part of me.

Andras Jones:

There's the hopeful part.

Andras Jones:

There's the negative part, which is like, well, the internet is

Andras Jones:

going to bite your head off.

Andras Jones:

Definitely the web is going to bite your ass, but there's the other part,

Andras Jones:

which is that, and this is, this is the hopeful part that I would love

Andras Jones:

to have more access to in my life.

Andras Jones:

And I wouldn't radiate ball brought to me when I was very.

Andras Jones:

Much in the flow of it was that belief that through a synchronistic way of

Andras Jones:

approaching life, that if you just like the selfish, listening to a song, if

Andras Jones:

you really appreciate synchronicity, if you get synchronicity, then you

Andras Jones:

want your field to be excellent.

Andras Jones:

Then you meet the people, you meet with a kind of hopeful excellence

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that if it's met even a little bit, the world just opens up and that.

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So it's a self, like once you get that synchronicity feels

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good and you pursue that.

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It leads you towards intelligence.

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It leads you towards compassion and not in a way of like, you should do this.

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It's like, I want to feel good.

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I want more synchronicity.

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So I'm going to pay more attention.

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If I pay more attention, I'm going to feel more things.

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And if I feel more things, I'm going to think better about them and yeah,

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and then it just keeps, keeps going.

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And I that's why the sacred and the profane, because our

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culture, our world is wrong.

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It's toxic.

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And, and it's taught us some very bad lessons, but I know that music is good.

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It's so good.

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But it can take a S no offense, Dan, but a stupid little song, like jeez,

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and have me just bawling, pouring out here because music, it doesn't matter

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what you say over it, except that when you say words over it, then that

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generates synchronicities and whatever the cheese means to you, mother feeding

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it to you, whatever, like it's primal.

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And so, yeah.

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So there is an idea that through synchronicity and a more capable hosts,

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Even the web could be transformed through intelligent engagement, which

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is curious and selfish engagement.

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Uh,

Amanda Lux:

I think that's interesting selfish engagement, but I also think,

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you know, you gotta be smart about being selfish, I guess not.

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You might think you're being selfish when you put a needle in your arm.

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Uh, would that mean that can be now that can be interpreted

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in a million different ways.

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Right now I'm, I'm, I'm referring to heroin.

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We're not talking about vaccinations.

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Uh, but if you, like, you could think that feels good for putting that needle in your

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arm that you could think that's selfish, but it's sort of a small picture selfish.

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So that's why synchronicity is the key because synchronicity demands attention.

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And that is what creates intelligence.

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If you're paying attention, you're going to learn things.

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Right.

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Right, right.

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Trying to get what you want.

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You might not, you might get what you want and

Amanda Lux:

you still want, right.

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And it opens the field too.

Amanda Lux:

I think what you're saying is, you know, when you're focused on your own

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pleasure or your own experience or your own pain, even right, when you're just

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focused on yourself in that selfish way, you're missing the interconnectivity

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and how everything we do ripples out and touches and affects everyone

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else or even inside.

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And then when I'm in my pain, I am the least generous when I am in a rush.

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When I am not taking really good care of myself and integrate space, then

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I'm not meaning in the world with attention, the way like radiate Bob

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brings that out of me, it became a, it's a practice of doing that, but like

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the, the, or, and, and the outgrowth.

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Yes.

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All of these painful experiences or difficult experiences that because

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I see later on are really valuable and it's like, oh, okay, well, don't

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let that ruin a very good thing.

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As you have done so many times and recorded in front of audiences to

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teach yourself this lesson, that hopefully you can ruin a synchronicity,

Amanda Lux:

but I do want to, I know we're getting to wrap it up and I want

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to, , clarify your question to the pop.

Amanda Lux:

Oracle was, is somebody listening to this right now is

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the next host of radio eight ball listening to this podcast.

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Right.

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And I would just say, if you are listening to this and you feel like

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you are the next radio eight ball host, I'm going to say something pretty

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revolutionary here, hold your horses.

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Because you may think you want that it's a lot of energy to plug into.

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And this is why I created with the help of a very generous investor

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at tremendous expense for nothing, uh, this radio weight ball app.

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That is a way that you can do it.

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Like you can download this app, you can ask it a question, pick a

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song at random, see how it feels.

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If you feel that's good, invite someone else to do it with you.

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See how that feels.

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If that feels good, gathered, like try and do an, uh, you know,

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do it with a few more people.

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And if they all like it all gathered together and then do that

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and then get in touch with me.

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Yes.

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Because if you're doing that much work and it feels good, then you might

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be the next radio eight ball host.

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But if you think that it's an opportunity.

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I would just, it's an opportunity,

Amanda Lux:

but it's you say you might be the, the spider that hosts the web and you

Amanda Lux:

might also be devoured and you will be all

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of them.

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You will be all of them.

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And that's why, uh, yeah.

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Yes.

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So I would love to find the people for whom this is a pleasurable out, a

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powerful and a useful tool and experience.

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Yes.

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And I also know that I entered it sort of like guns, a blazing

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and it took 20 years of my life and many of my friends and what, you know, like

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a lot of my reputation in ways that I.

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That's

Amanda Lux:

forged you.

Amanda Lux:

Is there anything you want to say just for closing?

Amanda Lux:

Well, when

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you hear this, there will be a website called previously

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yours.com or Andrea jones.com.

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You can find it either way.

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That's where you can find my music, where you can find my stuff about my acting and

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the films that I've produced or had songs.

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And then you can find out about my different podcasts on

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about the radio eight ball app.

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If you're interested in the radio eight ball, there's a whole radio weight

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ball page called radio eight ball.com.

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And you can to so much to explore there, it's a little bit daunting.

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I would just say, go to where find a synchronicity, go look for a date or an

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artist or something that's interesting to you and just start to dig in there.

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And if you want to just have fun.

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Because radio, April is fun, but it's also challenging.

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Come check out the world is wrong.

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Podcast.

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Find a movie that you think that your tie, that you've heard, that you love, that

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you've heard people say bad stuff about.

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And you've gotten a little bit shy about talking about it.

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Come listen to me.

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And Brian, as we talk about how that film is actually great, fantastic

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a movie that should have its art, your arms, arms thrown around it.

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And yeah, so that's, that's my favorite thing to do right now.

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Other than right now, this is my favorite thing to do because this was fantastic.

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And, and I also say congrats, just congratulations on

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having an awesome podcast.

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And, uh, I am obviously incredibly moved and inspired by it.

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And, uh, if P if I talk too much, just know that I'm sure that the

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next guest will be a better listener.

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And I just had a lot to say I've been just sitting on it and Amanda's

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the only person I know who I.

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Can I have this conversation with, and for some reason, I'm the kind

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of person who can only really talk truthfully if they're being recorded.

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So

Amanda Lux:

I don't know about that, but,

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well, it brings out something.

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I know that there's something, it opens up a channel

Amanda Lux:

in the yes, totally, totally.

Amanda Lux:

It's beautiful.

Amanda Lux:

Thank you for sharing your channel and for participating in bringing it.

Amanda Lux:

I really appreciate it.

Amanda Lux:

And I really appreciate and honor you.

Andras Jones:

Thank you.

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Thank you.

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cheese cheese cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese,

Amanda Lux:

cheese, cheese,

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cheese, cheese, cheese on the pot.

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All we eat is GS.

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Cheese cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese,

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cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese,

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mostly.

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Traveler's guide to the divine.

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Please check out the show notes for more information on Andreas

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Jones, the musicians who were featured in this episode, and be

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sure to check out all of his links to his website previouslyyours.com.

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So you can learn about his current film and musical projects, as well

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as his book, accidental initiations in the Kabbalistic tree of Olympia..

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I also want to invite you to reach out to myself or Andras, if you would like

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to weigh in on your interpretation of his question, pose to the pop

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Oracle about whether you think I should be the next host of radio

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eight ball, or maybe you should be the next host of radio eight ball.

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So please do feel free to reach out.

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Give us your interpretation.

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Let us know if the song was speaking to you personally.

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And if so, how, and as always know that you are invited for free to join me for

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any of my monthly conscious dream circles, check out the free classes and resources

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I have for you in the show notes and a huge thank you for liking sharing,

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following, and reviewing this podcast.

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May this deepen your own inquiry and exploration of

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your night dreams, your energy.

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The waking dream of your life and of course, synchronicity in the

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best and highest way possible.

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It is such an honor to be in sacred community with you.