Welcome back to Retromade! Today we’re heading back to 1996 to revisit 101 Dalmatians, Disney’s live-action take on the animated classic, complete with Glenn Close going full Cruella. Let’s get into whether this remake earns its spots or just rides the original’s coattails.

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Hello, hello.

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I'm Katie, and welcome back to

"Retromade," your pop culture rewind.

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Today, we're gonna head

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I think I started high school in '96.

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But we are going back to actually revisit

"101 Dalmatians," Disney's live-action

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take on the animated classic, complete

with Glenn Close going full Cruella.

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So we'll get into, whether this

remake earns its spots or does it

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just ride the original's coattails?

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I have with me today a

returning guest, Lizzie.

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Thank you for joining me again.

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How are you?

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Lizzy: I'm great.

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I'm great.

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I'm really excited to-- I'm excited

to be back, and I'm really excited to

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talk about this movie in particular.

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Katie: I'll let you reacquaint yourself

with the "Retromade" listeners,

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Lizzy: Yes, yes.

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So I'm Lizzie I am a mom of three.

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I've done several podcasts, my first

was Millennial Movie Matchmaker, then

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moved on to Retro Movie Roundtable,

and I dabbled a little bit with uh, a

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podcast called Are You Afraid of the Dark?

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It was an Are You Afraid of the

Dark rewatch podcast, and I did

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it with some of my really good

girlfriends, and it was so much fun.

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But life has has thrown us too

many curveballs that we just

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can't get together anymore.

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But there are-- there is a full season

if anyone wants to check that out.

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But but yeah, I'm out here in Kentucky

and you know, too blessed to be stressed.

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Praise

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God.

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Katie: I love that, too

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blessed to be stressed.

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Nice.

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Listeners, before we get into the show,

I just wanted to let you know that this

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season of John Hughes is almost over.

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After this, there's only one

more episode, and I bet that you

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cannot guess what movie it is.

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It's been wild kinda going

through the John Hughes movies.

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Like some surprises, you're like,

"Oh, John Hughes wrote that, eh?"

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So get your comments and your

thoughts in along with any number of

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ways that you can support the show.

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That'd be great.

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Now, we're gonna have a little

bit of a different spin with the

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Retromade Trivia Wheel today.

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I'm gonna share the categories

on the wheel with Lizzie,

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and she's gonna pick one,

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and it'll be guest

choice, which is a first.

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Lizzy: okay.

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I think I know what I'm gonna pick.

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Okay.

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You know, this movie was so fantastic,

but to me, what really makes it

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all on its own is Glenn Close, and

we can't talk about Cruella de Vil

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without talking about the clothes.

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So I think it definitely

has to be the runway.

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Katie: really- Love it, retro runway.

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Question one,

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Lizzy: Okay.

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Katie: it is a denim trend.

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This is 1996.

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I can remember it well, vividly.

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I definitely partook, partake...

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What is the past tense of partake?

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I don't know.

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Lizzy: I don't know how

far it took, I guess.

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Katie: I participated in

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this trend.

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Okay, so it's a denim trend, often

paired with baby tees and visible

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midriffs, becoming a, a defining look.

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What were the kind of

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jeans?

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Lizzy: a low-rise jean?

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Katie: Ultra low-rise jeans.

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Lizzy: Yes.

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I hope those never come back, by the way.

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Katie: Boy, well, my 40-something

self is not gonna be partaking

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in, in that if it does.

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Yeah, and yes, definitely.

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Yeah, I don't think it

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Lizzy: make a comeback, that'll

be a trend that I do not hop on.

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Katie: It's-- it looks good

on not very many people.

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You have to be 16 for it to look

good on you, I feel like, you know?

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Lizzy: Yes, absolutely.

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Katie: Very good.

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Okay.

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This one is interesting.

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Hmm.

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It's a shoe.

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Oversized athletic sneaker style,

and it was popularized by brands like

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Fila and Nike, became a staple in

'96, and it was referred to as ugly

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long before irony made them cool.

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Lizzy: Honestly, the first shoe that

pox in-- pops in my mind is like a Dunk.

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I don't know how old that is,

but like a, like a Nike Dunk or

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Katie: I don't think I know what that is.

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Lizzy: they're-- So they're-- I

think they're actually very cool.

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I own several of them, but they

are like really big and bulky.

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It's like the, like the

clog of sneakers almost.

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Katie: Maybe that's what it is.

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Lizzy: yes.

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Katie: Maybe that's what it is, because

the answer is chunky dad sneakers,

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AKA platform sneakers.

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Lizzy: a New Balance.

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Yeah.

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yes.

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Katie: pla- platform, like instead

of platform heels, like platform

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Lizzy: sneakers.

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Yes.

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That's really funny

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Katie: Is that what a dunk is?

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Lizzy: So a Dunk, so like I feel

like it's, it's not a shoe that

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you would wear to work out in.

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It's like truly just like a

fashion sneaker, but it's more...

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It's not platformed,

but it's more like wide.

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Katie: but- Oh, yep

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Lizzy: almost like a,

like Mickey Mouse shoe.

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That's the only character I

can think of to visualize it,

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where it's just abnormally big.

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And I have a couple honestly, but

like they only go with certain things.

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Like you

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can't really wear them with jeans.

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I think like a short skirt or something.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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I don't know how specific you have

to be, but what outerwear trend

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heavily associated with hip-hop

culture in '96 w- was frequently worn

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featuring bold logos, often seen in

music videos and NBA tunnel walks?

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Lizzy: So like the,

like the swishy, the...

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I don't know what it was called.

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But it was like when you walked

it made like a sh-sh-sh-sh

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'cause it was like the fabric

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Katie: That material.

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Yeah.

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Lizzy: I don't really know what

to call it, but but like that.

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You saw it, like sometimes it was

in really bright color blocks,

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and then other times it was done

in like only one or two colors.

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I had several of them as a kid though,

but it was like you'd like a matching set.

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And whenever you...

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Like you could hear me coming

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because of the swish.

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Katie: I'm envisioning that

like nylon material as well.

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Um, mm-hmm.

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Um, so like Oversized jackets

or like bomber-style jackets,

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but oversized.

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Very oversized.

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This is a headwear trend.

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Became a street fashion essential

thanks to hip-hop artists and

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athletes, often worn tilted,

flat-brimmed, and heavily branded.

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When

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Lizzy: Tilted, flat brimmed,

and heavily branded.

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Oh my gosh, the second that you

were talking about accessories

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with the '90s, I was so...

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my mind was gonna cut you off

and be like, "Butterfly clips."

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But I,

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Katie: God, I can't...

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The...

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Yes.

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Late '90s,

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even into the early 2000s, that's such a,

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terrible look.

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Right,

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Lizzy: Our elementary school for my

son had a '90s themed family dance.

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And so like we all got to go, go

and get dressed up, and they had

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a huge contest, and I got to put

butterfly clips in our daughter.

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And it was So, so, and she has, like,

curly platinum blonde hair, so she's,

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like, the perfect head of hair for it.

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It was amazing.

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Gosh, I don't know.

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So the flat brim, definitely

like a, like a ball cap.

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Maybe like a trucker

hat, something like that.

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Katie: Yes, you're absolutely right.

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The answer is fitted baseball caps,

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and in- often New Era caps.

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Lizzy: Oh, okay.

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I'm not, not familiar

with the New Era brand.

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Katie: think so either.

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But definitely I, I very

specifically remember either

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the flat brim or tilted, like

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Lizzy: Yes, I remember the, that look.

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Yes.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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All right.

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Last one.

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Minimalist yet provocative fashion style,

often pretty plain, but very tight-fitting

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and paired with baggy bottoms.

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Signature look, late '90s.

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A lot of pop and R&B artists,

but also I, I wore them, too.

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Like it was mm-hmm.

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Lizzy: jeans.

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With baggy jeans.

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I, I mean, my first...

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my mind first goes to either a crop top,

or I remember a lot of hip-hop artists

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honestly wore like, bikini tops with

really baggy jeans, where they would just

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wear basically look like they could just

go to the beach, but they have jeans on.

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Katie: make a little belly show.

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Mm-hmm.

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You're right.

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It is

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either baby tees or crop tops.

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Lizzy: okay.

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Those have made a big comeback

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Katie: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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All right.

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You did very good.

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Lizzy: Yay.

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Katie: good pick, Lizzie.

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Good pick.

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So '96, yeah, I wore a lot of

these, a lot of these things.

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Lizzy: Wow, that's amazing.

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Katie: I think maybe, maybe

we should get into the movie

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Lizzy: let's do it.

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"

Katie: 101 Dalmatians."

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Did you know that this '96 remake

was a John Hughes-written movie

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before I showed you the list?

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Lizzy: No, I never would've known that.

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Rewatching it with the

context, I so see it.

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Uh, But and it's, it's painfully

obvious, especially when Horace and,

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Katie: Glenn Close in it like

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Lizzy: Alone coded it is, and John

Hughes is just such a, He, he's

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just has this whimsical magic that

he brings to, relationships in, in

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movies, so you can definitely see it.

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But no, I never would have actually

guessed that had you not told me

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Katie: thought of that, but cool.

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S- same.

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Definitely surprised.

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I assume this was not your first watch?

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Lizzy: It wasn't, no.

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This movie had a choke hold

on me when I was a kid.

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I loved the cartoon, but I loved this-

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Katie: this Did you

watch it with your kids

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Lizzy: We did, yeah.

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We watched it yesterday.

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Oh my gosh, they were all, all

three were like, "Can we get a dog?

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Can we?

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They're so cute."

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I mean, they lost their minds.

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And it's just all the little scenes,

especially when there's so many

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puppies, it was, it was, like,

really, really fun for them to watch.

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And and honestly, I think they had more

fun in the beginning watching Cruella

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be Cruella and then watching, like,

the meet cute between Roger and Anita.

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And they just, I don't know, they

really liked it, so I was excited.

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Katie: and they just had a great time.

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Good.

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I'm glad they liked it, 'cause

a lot of times things from the

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'90s don't work for kids now.

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So I'm gl- I'm very glad

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to hear that they liked it.

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Lizzy: They did...

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Now, I will be totally honest,

they dragged their feet when I told

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them that I wanted to watch it.

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They were like, "Ugh, no."

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We- they're really into Pokémon

right now, so "We wanna watch

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this other Pokémon thing."

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And and I was like, "Listen, every

now and again, your mom can bust

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out a movie that isn't that bad."

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And I would say they were pretty hooked

early in, and just watching Pongo, like,

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how he was so smart and he could, like,

get the shower and the coffee ready, and

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they, they had a lot of fun watching that.

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And then they were immediately hooked

once Pongo started chasing Perdy.

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So it actually really, I think, to

your point, there's a innocence,

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I think, to the dynamics in the

movie that you don't see a lot now.

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There's more of, like, this hustle culture

that's ingrained in these live action

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movies and whereas in this movie, it kind

of represents a smaller, quiet confidence.

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And so I was really pleasantly

pleased that they liked it.

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Katie: Good.

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Yeah, I kept thinking the same,

you had used "Home Alone" coded,

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It's like Hugh's signature at this point.

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I feel like this is the 10th movie

that we've covered on the show where

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that dynamic is at play also he must

really like writing for a duo of

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bumbling criminals, 'cause he does

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Lizzy: it does.

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Katie: Did you grow up watching the

cartoon, the original from the '60s?

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I

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Lizzy: Yes, I loved the

cartoon from the '60s.

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I- that was another big one of mine.

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Any Disney movie that had animals in it

that was the one that I wanted to watch.

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So, 101 Dalmatians, Lion King,

Aristocats, like, all of those

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movies were my favorites.

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I

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Katie: I loved,

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Lizzy: Loved the scene, and honestly still

do, in the beginning of the new- of the

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'60s one where all the people are matching

their dogs, and I love that so much.

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And I was so excited to see them try

to emulate that in the live action.

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And then I just...

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I mean, it's just such a

sweet, such a sweet movie.

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I love it still to this day.

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And the kids have seen that one too,

and they really enjoy that one as

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Katie: Good.

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Okay.

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Lizzy: Yeah,

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Katie: Yeah, I literally wrote down

in my notes when that scene was

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happening.

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I was like, Oh, thank God,"

I have seen this movie.

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I think I actually went to it

with my grandma, and she got

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a kick out of it, like in '96.

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So that was really sweet, and I also

grew up absolutely adoring the original

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I remember being at Pamida, which is

like, I don't think they exist anymore,

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but sort of like a mini-type Walmart

store, like regional in the Midwest.

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I remember being there just on

a quick errand run or something

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with my dad, and I begged him.

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I saw on an end cap the puffy

case Disney, you know, it

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must have just done, they must

have just done a re-release at that

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ti- whenever in the '80s this was.

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And this was not something that

was typical in our household.

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You didn't just like, "I want

that," and it was purchased for you.

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That never happened.

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And I think I just wore him down,

and he was like, "Fine, we'll get

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Lizzy: Fine, we're getting the movie.

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Katie: So I got my way.

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Yeah, I, those are a couple

memories with this, and I'm

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a big dog person as well, and

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sometimes I'm nervous about

watching movies with animals in it,

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but this one's a safe one, so...

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Lizzy: Yes.

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Yeah.

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It's so good, and I love in the

cartoon where there's like this dog

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community, like Pongo can go up and

bark, and then all of the dogs hear

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them and seeing that trickle down.

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And again, I love how they were able to

use like the really important components.

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They didn't rewrite-- They

didn't reinvent the wheel.

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They were like, "This is a great story.

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We don't need to recapture this.

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We're gonna take all the amazing things

about the cartoon and honor it through

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this movie, but then we're gonna put

kind of our own unique stamp on it."

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And I love that whole aspect of it

too, when Pongo goes up and barks,

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and then it goes to a border collie

and shows all these different dogs and

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Katie: the twilight bark.

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Like, Yeah, it's like their

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Lizzy: I-- It's...

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Katie: communication.

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It

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Lizzy: I love it so much.

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Katie: They did stick pretty closely

to the original, which was good.

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Like you said, the things that they

did different worked, in my opinion.

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That scene that you were talking

about where he's in the park watching

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all the dogs and their owners go by,

and the people look like the dogs

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That was a scene I feel like could

have gone on for about half of the

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time that they did the bike Chaos.

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I think that lasted far too long.

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So they could have taken some of that

time and g- given us some more people

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lookalikes with their dogs, but...

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Lizzy: I tend to agree.

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I think they could have-- I

think they only did two people.

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I think they could have

done may- maybe three.

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Actually, I think

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they did three,

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'cause they did, like, a smaller

dog, I believe, and then the

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bulldog, and then the Great

Dane, I believe, was the big one.

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His-- Pongo's bark got more intense,

like he was-- had something to prove.

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Katie: The live action remake

of the original, was released

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on November 27th, 1996.

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So people probably going with their

families over Thanksgiving break.

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It is rated G, and I point this

out because it is the first--

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the only G movie that we've

done on "Retromade" this season.

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We did cover "The Fox and the Hound"

last season because Kurt Russell

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voiced Copper, so that was G.

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But I think I think this was

actually the first G-rated live

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action movie that Disney made

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the IMDb rating is a little lower

than-- Having rewatched, I'm like, "Oh,

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that's a little bit on the low side."

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It's 5.8.

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I don't know if you have

thoughts about that.

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I would

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Lizzy: That does...

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You know, I would actually argue

my hot take is that I think this is

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the best Disney live action remake.

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I mean, they-- this was-- I don't know

really what prompted this because there

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was probably about a ten to fifteen

year delta between this live action

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remake and then what we've seen in the

last decade of just them churning out

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live action remake one after another.

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And I think yeah, I think

this is the best one.

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And I think mainly because of what we

talked about earlier, ultimately, the

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common denominator, I think, between

a lot of these live action remakes

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is they try to change so much of it.

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And and, and while I do appreciate

that there's a certain aspect of them

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that maybe want to modernize the story

a little bit, sometimes I think when

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you're a little too hyper-fixated on

what people are gonna think and feel and

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how it'll be received, I think sometimes

that takes you out of the magical part

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of What makes the story so special,

and sometimes you just miss the mark.

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And I think that's the case for a

lot of these, but I think with this

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particular movie, I really think

John Hughes understood that this was

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gonna be more of a love letter to

the '60s one, rather than him trying

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to just do something on his own.

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Katie: than a 101, rather

than picturing this as a 101.

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Yes, I couldn't agree more.

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I hated Flubber, so that

was also a, a remake.

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And I had not seen the original,

but I don't know what he was doing.

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So he did not do what he

did with 101 Dalmatians

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for

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Lizzy: I didn't like Flubber either.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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And I love Robin Williams,

but I was not a fan.

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Katie: Yeah, I was like,

"This is terrible."

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But the original has a 7.3

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IMDb rating, and honestly, I'm

surprised that's not higher.

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Lizzy: Right.

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Yeah,

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Katie: love that?

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Lizzy: I know, it's the best.

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Katie: Strange.

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So obviously we have John Hughes

writing the screenplay, and it is

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based on Dodie Smith's original.

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She-- Actually, I don't know

if that's a man or a woman.

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Do you?

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Lizzy: No, but Dodie

feels like a female name.

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I think we'll...

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Yeah, I think a she.

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Katie: Dodie Smith wrote the book on

which the original movie was based.

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We'll get to the amount of money

that this made, but John Hughes

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made more money from this movie

than any other movie in his career.

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Do you know why?

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Yes, I do know why.

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Lizzy: Yes, I do.

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I know why.

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I

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Katie: so he

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Lizzy: just read this.

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Because he got royalties.

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That's what it was.

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He got like merchandise

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and

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Katie: was the merchandising.

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Lizzy: yes.

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Katie: A piece of the merchandising

profits, which was everywhere.

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I

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had I had Rollie until one of

my dogs used it as a, a toy.

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But yeah, the stuffed animal.

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I, I read that there were

17,000 items of merchandising.

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I can't even f- like things

that, that were 101 Dalmatians

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Lizzy: Can't even, like compute

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Katie: I know.

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Like I can think

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Lizzy: what you...

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I can think of 10 in my

mind, and then I like,

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Katie: I could come up

with 100 probably if I,

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Lizzy: Yeah.

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Katie: real hard.

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But yeah, so he w- he was very glad

that he did this movie, and so was

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Disney because the budget for this was

67 million, and it was a massive hit.

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Worldwide gross of 321

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million on a $67 million

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budget.

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that's wild.

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Lizzy: good.

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Katie: So obviously there's a sequel

which I don't think I've seen, 102

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Dalmatians, and that was in 2000.

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Did you see that?

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Lizzy: I, yes, but I, I don't

remember a, a lot of it.

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I feel like I watched it kind of

like almost like with one eye open

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Katie: been pregnant.

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Mm-hmm.

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I,

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Lizzy: I, I remember

bits and pieces of it.

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I know that like Cruella is, like

she escapes prison and wants to

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like exact revenge, so a lot of

ways it's a recycling of the first.

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But there's...

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Oh, oh, I remember the hook.

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I was just thinking of like there's

like an element-- There's a, there's a

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Dalmatian that doesn't have any spots.

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That's the big thing.

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There's like a, it's like a, like

the black sheep of the family.

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It's a spotless Dalmatian and

that's all I really can remember.

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But I do remember there was a TV show

of 101 Dalmatians that came out shortly

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after this, and I really liked that show.

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I watched

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Katie: Oh, interesting.

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Actually the the plot that you

just said about "102 Dalmatians"

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actually sounds pretty good.

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But, but I don't think-- I think that

there were some pieces to this puzzle

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that, that really made it work, and I

think a big piece of that was the cast.

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They had a really good cast.

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But before we get into the cast,

I wanna talk about the director,

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Stephen Herek, a little bit.

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Are you familiar with Stephen Herek

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Lizzy: By name, I'm not,

475

Katie: I would-- Same.

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Yeah.

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I don't think we've covered

him on "Retro Made" yet.

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But he also directed "Mr.

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Holland's Opus,"

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"Don't Tell Mom the

Babysitter's Dead," one of

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my faves.

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But yeah, "Bill and Ted's

Excellent Adventure," "The

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Mighty Ducks," and "Critters."

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Lizzy: Wow, okay.

485

So he definitely has a brand.

486

You can definitely

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Katie: Yeah.

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Lizzy: him and John Hughes are

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Katie: I had to end

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Lizzy: very sym- like

symbiotic in that way.

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Like you can really tell

that they make good partners.

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They have a vision that's very similar.

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Katie: for her, that would have been it.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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It's just one of those that d- he

doesn't have the name recognition,

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but has done some great work.

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Lizzy: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Katie: We have the one,

the only Glenn Close as

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Cruella de Vil, and oh

my God, was she great.

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Lizzy: She's fantastic.

502

She was--

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Katie: Now I saw "The

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Lizzy: I had no idea who Glenn Close was.

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Like her body of work was all like

really more adult films, so I had not

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watched anything that she was in, but

my parents were elated to see her.

507

After growing up and watching

more of her body of work,

508

specifically Fatal Attraction,

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I feel like she brought that- bunny

boiling energy, which is kind of

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sadly ironic because she's, you know,

wanting-- she's cruel to animals.

511

But it's

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Katie: Like she was

513

Lizzy: She is equal parts chic,

514

Katie: weak- Mm-hmm

515

Lizzy: terrifying, and just

erratic and all over the place

516

in the best way possible.

517

She is-- I don't think anybody

else could have done it.

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I remember reading a couple of

other people that were offered the

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job, one being Sigourney Weaver,

and no shade to Sigourney Weaver.

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I, I, I think she's fantastic.

521

But I-- the chic element and

just that fabulousness, I don't,

522

I don't know if I can visualize

that, and that's no shade to her.

523

She's very...

524

I mean, Sigourney Weaver's very

sexy, but that's-- but there's a

525

certain X factor that Glenn Close

has that just made it perfection.

526

Katie: Agreed.

527

So I can see why they would

consider a Sigourney Weaver.

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I-- Like she has-- She's the right

type, and she kind of played this in

529

what's that movie where she's the boss

of Melanie Griffith and Harrison Ford?

530

Oh, I'm gonna have to look it

up because it's driving me nuts.

531

Lizzy: I could see her being a

Cruella with a more soft-spoken

532

Cruella, 'cause I think that there's

a quiet mania about Sigourney Weaver.

533

But I've never-- I don't know if

I've ever seen her fully lose it.

534

Maybe-- and maybe I just haven't

seen it in the right movie.

535

But she has this very controlled

very controlled anger that is

536

actually, on its own, very scary.

537

She has this ability to f- be frightening

in a way that she is so in control

538

of everything that she's saying and

doing and can speak so quietly and

539

thoughtfully while also cutting you.

540

So in that way, that would

be-- make for a good Cruella.

541

But I think the thing that I, I

think makes Cruella Cruella is the

542

fact that she's not controlled.

543

She's just, like, all over the place

and just, dramatic, A maximalist in

544

every way, and I, I think that that was

really, really necessary for the role.

545

So I can appreciate the Sigourney part,

but I just think it had to be Glenn.

546

Katie: Weaver, but I do- Agreed.

547

And the movie I was thinking

of is "Working Girl."

548

Great

549

Lizzy: Oh, okay.

550

Yes.

551

Katie: yeah, sorry, my brain.

552

They did want Glenn Close to be in this,

but she initially rejected it because

553

of I think there was a, like a Broadway

play or something that she was doing.

554

And anyway, scheduling conflicts, but

then she ended up being able to do it.

555

The other person that I read did a screen

test for the role was Kathy Moriarty,

556

and This being a G movie, it was later

deemed that she was too frightening

557

Lizzy: Really?

558

Katie: for a children's movie.

559

Like she must have brought some

560

realism in her screen

561

Lizzy: Yeah, she must have really

brought some scary elements.

562

It's really funny.

563

Katie: I don't know why it gets me.

564

I've always wanted one of those

rich, bitchy lady in movies have

565

those long cigarette holders.

566

Lizzy: Yes.

567

Katie: And I want one.

568

I don't smoke, but I was

like, "That's awesome."

569

Goldie Hawn in "Overboard" too.

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Lizzy: It's amazing.

571

She, 'Cause I remember

that from the '60s movies.

572

She had that long, that long

piece, and I love the car, That

573

cigarette holder, I remember.

574

I don't smoke either, but I-- It

kinda just goes without saying

575

that she made smo-smoking seem

really cool and really chic.

576

I know that's the wrong thing to say, but

577

Katie: Oh my gosh.

578

I actually read like a

piece of trivia about that.

579

So this was one of the last

Disney films to feature visible

580

on-screen cigarette smoking

581

Lizzy: It's really funny.

582

I understand why that they were like,

"We're making this seem too cool."

583

"We need to make sure that we're,

like, properly communicating

584

that this is not good."

585

Katie: It does.

586

I gotta say, when there's that

like certain movies, a lot of mob

587

movies or watch certain TV shows,

there's a lot of smoking, like "Peaky

588

Blinders," it makes me wanna smoke

589

Lizzy: Yeah,

590

there's like a,

591

Katie: yeah.

592

Lizzy: there's like a joie de vivre, de

vivre of when it comes to, to smoking

593

that I, I do think that there's like a...

594

I guess, it gives you an edge.

595

I...

596

And I think, Yeah, there's something

about seeing someone do it, I guess,

597

in the right context, in the right

moment, that it just, it does give

598

this very cool allure to them.

599

And, But then, you know, and when

you're in reality, if you're in a

600

room with a bunch of people smoking,

you're just like, "This smells."

601

"I'm not into it, and I feel

like I need to take a shower."

602

Katie: Yeah.

603

It's not as classy.

604

"Mad Men," like all, it's

605

like everybody must have

just reeked apparently.

606

Yeah.

607

Lizzy: I think that they all had to.

608

And it was, but...

609

And it was also, especially the

Mad Men times it was the thing.

610

My mom, both my parents

talked about during...

611

You know, 'cause my, my dad was born

in '52, so, he, when he was in his

612

prime, it was like everybody smoked.

613

It was just what you did.

614

Nobody ever even took a second thought

that this could be bad for you.

615

Everybody was just like,

"It's great," and we did it.

616

Katie: It's cool.

617

It's the cool thing to do, for

618

Lizzy: That's right

619

Katie: Okay, so coming back to Cruella and

Glenn, 'cause I wanna talk more about her.

620

Every time she was on

screen, I was mesmerized.

621

E- every little movement and

like her g- her gloves had claws.

622

She had this, this way of being,

saying things or doing things that are

623

like s- like it's a put down or it's

snarky, but in a really smart way.

624

Um, I literally laughed

out loud a few times.

625

One is towards the end when she's

literally been through a molasses

626

vat, and now she's in the manure mud,

and the police are there, and they're

627

like, "Are you Cruella de Vil?"

628

And she's like, "Is

there something wrong?"

629

Like

630

Lizzy: something wrong?

631

Katie: is there something wrong?

632

And then to Roger when she's meeting him,

633

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

634

Katie: he, you know, reaches out to

shake her hand when, when she's leaving,

635

says something like, you know, "It

was, it was a, a pleasure to meet you."

636

And she's like, "What was?"

637

And he's like, "To make

your acquaintance."

638

You know, "It was a pleasure to

639

make your acquaintance."

640

And she says, "That's a sweet thought.

641

I wish I could reciprocate."

642

And I wanna use that now.

643

I want, I want,

644

I wanna use that.

645

Lizzy: change it.

646

Yeah.

647

She says to...

648

I, I...

649

Is it-- I can't remember

both of their names.

650

I know one of them is Horace.

651

But

652

the-- Jasper.

653

yes.

654

I...

655

So Hugh Laurie's character, when

he's like, "We've got the puppies.

656

We're at the house," and everything,

she-- and she says something like,

657

"My, my ability to second-guess your

inaptitude is temporarily restored."

658

And he's like, "Oh,

you're too kind, ma'am."

659

You're too kind.

660

Katie: So if it wasn't her in this I

don't think it would've been as good.

661

They had a really good supporting

cast as well that we'll get

662

to, but it made me wonder about Glenn

663

because I was like, does she maybe have

the most Oscar noms or wins or whatnot?

664

She has not yet won an Oscar.

665

She was nominated eight times,

and if she gets an Oscar, she

666

will be in the EGOT status because

she's gotten all of the others.

667

Lizzy: Oh, wow!

668

Katie: Grammy Oscar,

669

Tony.

670

Lizzy: And Emmy, that's the...

671

Yeah, Emmy.

672

Yep.

673

Yeah, she's fantastic.

674

Katie: But-- she is not the actress

with the most accolades or prestigious

675

awards, wins, nominations, et cetera.

676

She is surpassed by one.

677

I bet you can guess who it is.

678

Lizzy: Probably Meryl Streep.

679

She's the person that I really think

of when it comes to being nominated the

680

most, and I feel like she's nominated

every other year for something.

681

Katie: Mm-hmm.

682

But Glenn is the next,

683

apparently.

684

Lizzy: Aw, well, hopefully

she gets her Oscar soon.

685

She sh-

686

Katie: I know.

687

I know.

688

Love Glenn.

689

There's a few things that I read

in the trivia that if we have time

690

we'll get to that I'm like, "Oh,

makes l- me love her even more."

691

One of which I think is that she

insisted on wearing fake fur.

692

Lizzy: yeah, so I love that,

yes, especially with, like, all

693

the, just the subject matter.

694

I feel like that just makes it feel a

little bit more wholesome and full circle.

695

Katie: Everybody loves Jeff Daniels,

I feel, and he's had a very diverse

696

career

697

He has won Emmys for "The

Newsroom" and "Godless."

698

"Godless" I think was a

like a limited series or a

699

miniseries or something.

700

Lizzy: never heard of that one.

701

Katie: I think I did see that or I'm

getting them-- maybe I'm conflating

702

a couple with similar titles,

but I'm pretty sure I saw that.

703

I've not seen "Newsroom."

704

Do you watch

705

Lizzy: did see Newsroom.

706

I did see Newsroom.

707

I watched the first season.

708

I don't-- I think that there were

more, but I only watched the first one.

709

It is pretty good.

710

It's, Especially, it

reminded me of Network.

711

That's a old movie from the

712

Katie: Yes.

713

That won an Oscar, I think, didn't

714

Lizzy: yes, a lot like that.

715

It felt like a show version of that,

where it's just showing kind of how

716

the sausage gets made, and in a way

that you, the viewer, are kind of

717

questioning because you're watching

his own dilemma on what he needs to

718

report on, 'cause it's a business,

so he has to make sure people watch.

719

And it just, I don't know, it's kinda

interesting to see how much tinkering

720

goes into what they decide to report on.

721

And and it's it was very interesting.

722

Katie: I think the rest of the

cast is a little understated.

723

They're all really good.

724

, You know, it's Jeff Daniels, but as

Roger he's not doing anything significant

725

or special or stand out in any way.

726

He's just doing the job.

727

He's playing Roger 'cause

that's who Roger is, right?

728

And similar with Anita,

just very, that quiet...

729

They're-- Well, also

they're British, so they're,

730

Lizzy: Yes.

731

Katie: the, they're not as

brash and loud as as Americans.

732

But Joely Richardson, are you

familiar with her playing Anita?

733

Lizzy: You know, she-- I always sometimes

get her and Natasha Richardson confused

734

because they have a very similar

haircut, and they have this very, very

735

similar build, like very petite and

fair-skinned, just very and very classy.

736

And I think I-- so sometimes I,

I get her a little bit confused.

737

But as-- but her own body

of work, I don't think so.

738

Katie: body of work- I feel like I

know that name more so than actually

739

her, and she comes from an acting

family, and you get her confused

740

with Natasha because they're sisters.

741

Lizzy: No way.

742

Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

743

I love that.

744

Well, that's, that's hilarious.

745

That makes a lot of sense now.

746

Katie: And the classy, this will

also track because their parents are

747

Tony Richardson and Vanessa Redgrave.

748

Lizzy: Okay.

749

Oh my gosh, that's so cool.

750

Katie: And the gr- their grandpa is

Sir Michael Redgrave, so they're,

751

you know, they have this air about them,

752

Lizzy: Yes.

753

Yeah.

754

That's really cool.

755

Katie: Mm-hmm.

756

She was nominated for...

757

Now, I don't watch the show.

758

I'm cur- It sounds like maybe

you haven't either, because you

759

would've maybe brought her up.

760

But she was nominated for a Golden Globe

maybe on more than one year for her

761

performance in the TV show "Nip/Tuck."

762

I feel like I'm very

763

Lizzy: No, I know I'm very familiar

with Nip/Tuck, but I did not watch it.

764

I think that was--

765

I for whatever reason, that missed me.

766

I'm not quite-- I was in college

when Nip/Tuck was a thing, and I, I

767

honestly couldn't give you a solid

reason as to why I didn't watch it.

768

It just never, never really happened.

769

I kinda missed it.

770

Katie: Yeah, same.

771

She was in a few episodes of "The Tudors,"

772

which I did watch and love.

773

She played...

774

Yeah, I can't remember who she played.

775

But that tracks, you know,

British and everything, and

776

also "The Patriot," the

movie "The Patriot."

777

Lizzy: Oh, nice.

778

So I feel like I've probably

seen her sprinkled in things.

779

Yes.

780

Katie: She never stands out.

781

Again, she's, it's kind of

that meek, mild-mannered

782

nature I feel that she has.

783

The woman who plays the nanny is Joan

Plowright, and we talked about her

784

on this season, in the "Dennis the

Menace" episode, because she played Mrs.

785

Wilson.

786

A very, ba- basically playing the same,

787

same sweet, older lovely woman.

788

But h- before doing that episode,

I did not realize that she is an

789

extremely accomplished actress.

790

Lizzy: Oh, really?

791

That's

792

so cool.

793

Katie: she was just before our time, you

794

Lizzy: Yep, yep.

795

She reminds me so much

of An- Angela Lansbury.

796

She gives like very similar energy

of just this kind of classy classy

797

chic older woman, but it can also be,

you know, that there's two different

798

versions, of course, of Angela Lansbury.

799

There's the teapot, and then there's the

800

really, like, wicked mom

from Mandarin Candidate

801

She can do both very well, and she

kind of gives me that same energy

802

that like, even though she's sweet,

she could probably turn it on and

803

give you a diff- completely different

804

Katie: very- Mm-hmm fun.

805

She kind of fits that bill because

even though she's sweet, she can

806

also turn on it and be- Mm-hmm.

807

Yeah.

808

She's a delight.

809

I just, yeah, I, I like her presence.

810

And then our, our basically

our Marv and Harry here,

811

it, it's Horace and Jasper.

812

And you had mentioned already, so

Jasper is Hugh Laurie, and he's most

813

famous or he's most known, I would

say, for the TV series "House."

814

I'm sure he's in a ton of other things,

I just, that's what I know him from.

815

I've not seen that show either.

816

So like with this,

817

Lizzy: So my husband loves that

show, so I've seen a couple

818

of episodes here and there.

819

But when we got together

and got married, House was

820

fading out, so it wasn't like a show

that we needed to regularly tune into.

821

So I'd catch him watching

it every now and again.

822

It's funny because he's an

American in that show, so he has

823

a totally different accent and,

824

Katie: and kind of funny.

825

He is not hairy and is not funny.

826

He is very thin and not funny.

827

And I feel like that- Oh.

828

Oh, that's

829

Lizzy: he's really snarky and very,

830

Katie: very

831

Lizzy: like sharp-witted -- it's a huge

departure from this because in this

832

one,-- they're both funny, but he's more

funny, sarcastic in House, whereas as

833

Jasper, it's almost more like physical

comedy, and he's and just goofiness.

834

But, but he does a great job.

835

And I think his, his voice as

Jasper, I think that that's like

836

just his natural voice, I believe.

837

When watching him in interviews,

it sounds very similar.

838

Katie: as well.

839

Mm-hmm.

840

I mean, that, that tracks.

841

Yeah.

842

These are the henchmen.

843

Cruel- Cruella's

844

incompetent henchmen.

845

Horace is played by Mark

Williams, and I did look him up.

846

He's in a few of the

"Harry Potter" movies.

847

I am unfamiliar with him, but he does

seem to have a very solid acting resume.

848

And, the UK listeners, I don't know,

maybe he's, maybe they're screaming right

849

now and they're like, "He's in such and

such," and, "How do you not know that?"

850

Lizzy: He's, He's, Ronald- he's Ron

Weasley's dad in all of the Harry

851

Potters, so he's probably in...

852

I think there's eight or

nine Harry Potter movies.

853

I might be, I might get that

854

Katie: Are there really?

855

Okay.

856

Lizzy: lot of Harry Potter movies.

857

They came out, the first one came out

when I was in the eighth grade, and

858

then the very last one, I had kids.

859

It's just,

860

Katie: was like, Harry Potter

meets the Very Bad Fucking Guys.

861

Wow.

862

Lizzy: there's so many.

863

But but he plays one of the main

characters' dads, and so he-- and

864

he's like a, just a goofy, silly

wizard, but he has such a solid heart.

865

And Harry, to just give you, a small

context of, like, Harry's past is he's

866

an orphan, and he lives with his aunt

and uncle, and his aunt and uncle are,

867

like, really wretched kinda awful people.

868

So Ron and his friend take him in, and

so, this poor Mark Williams' character

869

is almost like a surrogate father to

him, and he's, he's a really good guy.

870

Katie: Oh, that is really helpful context.

871

So what were your thoughts in

seeing him play this very different

872

type of character as Horace?

873

Lizzy: Honestly, I love it.

874

I think it suits him so well because

even though he's you know, he's a bad

875

guy and he has, and he has ill intent,

it-- there's still so many elements

876

that are the exact same because he's

goofy, he's a little over the top.

877

He and he's not quite as smart.

878

Like, he definitely plays

someone who's, just dim-witted,

879

just not, not a very smart guy.

880

But I think still that

881

Katie: still that

882

Lizzy: of the two, if

you were to ask is...

883

There's always the more innocent henchman

who's just kind of following orders

884

ver- whereas the one who's kind of,

a little bit more on the cruel side.

885

And there's, you-- every now and

again, you get a tinge of innocence

886

from Horace where you're like, "Oh,

man," "he kind of just seems like

887

Katie: seems like a,

888

Lizzy: a, a good guy who just got

caught up in a lot of really bad

889

circumstances," but it's like, I don't

really think he wants to do this.

890

I don't-- I think if you really sat down

and you were like, "You, you and I both

891

know that you don't wanna be here, right?"

892

And I think he'd eventually just be

like, "You're right, I don't, and I

893

just want a hug, and I wanna go home."

894

Katie: Yeah.

895

He, he does seem a bit dimwitted

too, and that's played for laughs.

896

But yeah, the innocence, I agree.

897

He's, he's definitely

the more innocent one.

898

When she's, when they're all

in the what do they call them?

899

D- like a paddy wagon.

900

Is that what they call like

901

Lizzy: It's one of my favorite parts, yes.

902

Katie: All four of them, 'cause the

Skinner guy that got, his name is actually

903

Skinner or his nickname, whatever.

904

He's the one who was gonna skin

the puppies and He also, at the

905

very beginning, they kill a zoo,

a rare endangered tiger from the

906

Lizzy: I know.

907

I know.

908

It's horrible.

909

Katie: Yeah.

910

Okay.

911

So yeah, he, so he's the fourth person.

912

So they're all in the paddy wagon

and she's like, "You guys get the

913

gold, silver, and bronze for..."

914

I can't remember what she says, like

915

Lizzy: The Morons Olympics, yeah.

916

Katie: It takes a minute, and you can see

Horace is trying to kind of hold it back,

917

and then he's like, "Who gets the gold?"

918

Lizzy: But yeah, who won the gold?

919

It is so funny 'cause you know that

there's always, there's always someone

920

in that group that's like, "Wait, who?

921

Is it me?

922

Did I win the gold?"

923

You did

924

Katie: Yeah.

925

Ugh.

926

Oh my gosh.

927

And the music is done by Michael Kamen.

928

That probably sounds

familiar to you or no?

929

Not

930

Lizzy: You might...

931

Not by name, but I bet if you

list off some of his accolades

932

that I would-- it'd ring a bell.

933

Katie: by name, but I

bet if you said Yeah.

934

His career it's very diverse as well.

935

He started out like before he did

film scores, he worked with, seemingly

936

every band known to man, like

Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Tom Petty,

937

Queen, Metallica, Guns N'

Roses, on and on and on and on.

938

And then he got into doing film

scores, and we talked about Michael

939

Kamen for scoring "Road House" last

season, the Patrick Swayze movie.

940

Other big hitters would be, again, "Mr.

941

Holland's Opus."

942

So I'm wondering if the

director, Stephen Herek,

943

'cause he directed If that's the

reason he brought him over was

944

because they worked together on that.

945

But also "Die Hard," "Lethal Weapon,"

946

"Robin Hood: Prince of

Thieves," "Highlander."

947

yeah, And "The X-Files,"

948

Lizzy: big...

949

He did X-Files?

950

Katie: The theme music

for "X-Files," yeah.

951

Lizzy: Stop.

952

That's so iconic.

953

That's amazing.

954

Katie: Yeah.

955

So nothing, you know, nothing to

sneeze at, and he thusly won a

956

number of very prestigious awards.

957

So

958

Lizzy: Good for

959

Katie: who did the music for this.

960

I did notice, it's also understated,

but there were a few times that I was

961

like, "Oh, that was really smart."

962

And I can't, I can't think of the

examples, but I did think that the

963

music was very helpful on this.

964

It wasn't just a throwaway.

965

It was intentional, and I could feel that.

966

Lizzy: I love when a good score should

guide your emotions as you're watching the

967

movie, and This one definitely did that,

and I think especially in the good moments

968

'cause it had this and like this kind of

pi- which almost kind of mimics like the

969

pitter-patter of a dog or a puppy walking.

970

And I, I don't know, it's, it,

it really worked very well.

971

And I...

972

Anytime that that came, and it would

repeat itself anytime that there was a

973

triumphant moment throughout the movie.

974

So yes, I think you, you notice

the score enough to recognize the

975

recall when you hear it repeated

and appreciate those moments, but it

976

doesn't stand out enough to then take

your m- mind outside of the story.

977

It's like that perfect dance,

which I imagine is actually

978

like super, super challenging.

979

Katie: a big thing for me as a director.

980

Like- I bet.

981

Yeah.

982

I, I, I agree.

983

I'm, excited to, to talk about

a movie that's well done with, a

984

lot of really accoladed actors and

directors and composers, because we've

985

been in a stretch of really bad...

986

Lizzy: Yeah.

987

Katie: The last several John Hughes

movies, a lot of his kid movies aren't...

988

Lizzy: Mm.

989

Katie: I feel like he didn't

really put in the effort.

990

But here I feel like

this is definitely a win.

991

So where I was going with that

It's been a long time since

992

I've gotten to talk about awards

993

a movie receiving any awards, and Glenn

Close was nominated for a Golden Globe

994

for this movie, and that seems like

that kind of a thing doesn't happen.

995

Lizzy: It's very rare.

996

Yeah.

997

It's very, very rare for a

children's movie to be nominated.

998

You know that it's just that good

that they couldn't ignore it.

999

I think the only other time that it's

been done for a live action Disney

00:46:08,245 --> 00:46:12,565

movie was Johnny Depp was nominated a

couple of times as Captain Jack Sparrow.

00:46:13,075 --> 00:46:15,755

But but he didn't win,

but he was nominated.

00:46:15,755 --> 00:46:20,655

But that was also a really big deal

because that movie ultimately was

00:46:20,715 --> 00:46:26,175

designed to be a family movie, and that

typically doesn't speak to the Oscar

00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:26,810

Katie: Right.

00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:28,550

Lizzy: Kind of zeitgeist

that they're looking for.

00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:31,930

They're always kind of looking

for that like obscure, trendy,

00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:37,550

avant-garde and, But it just, Glenn's

work honestly speaks for itself.

00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:39,020

Like she was perfect.

00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:39,700

She did...

00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:45,090

Like this movie would not be the

movie that it is today without

00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:46,650

Glenn Close, like just hard stop.

00:46:46,754 --> 00:46:47,544

Katie: But it just was what- 100%.

00:46:48,234 --> 00:46:51,384

And also the hair and

makeup received a BAFTA nom.

00:46:51,424 --> 00:46:52,524

Again, they didn't win, but

00:46:52,554 --> 00:46:53,404

a BAFTA nom.

00:46:53,674 --> 00:46:58,034

This is set in London, a lot of British

actors and stuff, so that's very fitting.

00:46:59,224 --> 00:46:59,364

Yeah.

00:46:59,565 --> 00:47:00,835

Lizzy: This is fantastic.

00:47:00,945 --> 00:47:01,395

Of course.

00:47:01,494 --> 00:47:01,994

Katie: about this.

00:47:02,615 --> 00:47:05,365

Lizzy: Yeah, I mean, the black and

white hair, I mean, it's amazing.

00:47:05,365 --> 00:47:08,435

I mean, they just-- everything, they

brought in all the elements that

00:47:08,435 --> 00:47:12,225

you expect and just did it so well.

00:47:12,735 --> 00:47:14,465

Katie: Everything brought

in all the elements that you

00:47:14,465 --> 00:47:15,505

would expect and- Mm-hmm.

00:47:15,505 --> 00:47:15,535

Mm-hmm.

00:47:15,535 --> 00:47:19,767

One of the other things that I took

note of was the- The animal actors,

00:47:20,007 --> 00:47:22,987

there were so-- in addition to the dogs,

00:47:23,787 --> 00:47:28,037

the Dalmatians and other dogs,

there were so many animals.

00:47:28,187 --> 00:47:29,717

They're doing a really

00:47:30,002 --> 00:47:32,512

Lizzy: Yeah, Yeah, they do so well.

00:47:32,542 --> 00:47:38,702

I honestly wa- rewatching it this

time, I-- the one animal that I think

00:47:38,702 --> 00:47:40,742

captivated me the most was Perdy.

00:47:40,782 --> 00:47:43,732

I think she, that dog did a great job.

00:47:43,732 --> 00:47:45,032

She did a really, really good job.

00:47:45,082 --> 00:47:47,622

You know, I mean, you, when you

watch the movie as an adult, you

00:47:47,622 --> 00:47:52,852

understand that this is the dog is

being, it has a trainer, and the,

00:47:52,852 --> 00:47:54,752

this is all kind of being done.

00:47:54,752 --> 00:47:58,962

There's, someone's behind the scene

making them bark or wince or do any of

00:47:58,962 --> 00:48:00,262

the things, and they're supposed to do it.

00:48:00,592 --> 00:48:08,102

But the trainer, the dog, the editing,

every piece of the puzzle that needed to

00:48:08,102 --> 00:48:13,182

come together to make it work made Perdy

really seem like this, like, concerned

00:48:13,182 --> 00:48:18,072

mother and made her seem like she was

really falling in love with Pongo.

00:48:18,072 --> 00:48:22,162

And even watching it as an adult,

knowing full well what's going on

00:48:22,162 --> 00:48:26,822

behind the scenes, like, you still get

sucked into this sweet little story.

00:48:26,822 --> 00:48:32,352

And like, even her bark is, like, so cute

and dainty, and I just, I, I loved her.

00:48:32,382 --> 00:48:33,862

I thought she was fantastic.

00:48:33,912 --> 00:48:36,422

And I was always a Pongo

girl when I was a kid.

00:48:36,782 --> 00:48:41,762

I loved Pongo and the ... He was my

favorite in the in the animated one.

00:48:41,762 --> 00:48:46,112

But I, and I really liked him

as a kid in the live action.

00:48:46,112 --> 00:48:48,372

But this time around, I was

giving Perdy her flowers.

00:48:48,372 --> 00:48:48,992

She did great.

00:48:49,227 --> 00:48:50,607

Katie: I appreciate how

great the editing was.

00:48:50,757 --> 00:48:53,147

I do recall in the

original, the animated one,

00:48:53,462 --> 00:48:54,462

Lizzy: Mm-hmm.

00:48:54,507 --> 00:48:58,047

Katie: characteristics,

yes, very, very dainty.

00:48:58,097 --> 00:48:59,487

Perdita, like just

00:48:59,607 --> 00:49:04,897

and, and how Pongo, I-- So even the

dogs were very representative of their,

00:49:05,137 --> 00:49:06,647

the characters on which they're based

00:49:07,427 --> 00:49:08,707

very well.

00:49:08,827 --> 00:49:11,246

I also wanted to call

out was it the Airedale,

00:49:11,846 --> 00:49:12,306

Terrier

00:49:12,411 --> 00:49:13,221

Lizzy: Arendelle, yeah.

00:49:13,896 --> 00:49:16,436

Katie: Helping the puppies and

he's telling all the farm animals

00:49:16,641 --> 00:49:16,871

Lizzy: Yeah,

00:49:16,976 --> 00:49:19,596

Katie: what's going on,

literally doing charades.

00:49:19,656 --> 00:49:19,876

I'm like,

00:49:19,956 --> 00:49:21,836

that dog, I mean,

00:49:22,156 --> 00:49:22,976

good job.

00:49:23,756 --> 00:49:24,716

Lizzy: It's so amazing.

00:49:24,716 --> 00:49:28,596

I was like, "This, these dogs, I hope

that they had lots of treats on set."

00:49:28,596 --> 00:49:29,816

And you're absolutely right.

00:49:29,816 --> 00:49:33,316

There's other ... there was, there

were pigs, sheep, that ... There was a

00:49:33,316 --> 00:49:39,456

horse that did a great amount of acting

with having to kick and, and wince.

00:49:39,456 --> 00:49:41,066

And I mean, it was just

00:49:41,616 --> 00:49:46,866

They did a great job because I

think the reason why the, the human

00:49:46,866 --> 00:49:51,826

actors are so understated, I feel

like is so intentional because the

00:49:51,826 --> 00:49:53,416

movie's ultimately not about them.

00:49:53,416 --> 00:49:54,386

It's about the animals.

00:49:54,756 --> 00:49:57,556

John Hughes and the actors, they all

really understood the assignment.

00:49:57,556 --> 00:50:03,916

The only actor that really is designed

to be over the top is Cruella, and

00:50:03,916 --> 00:50:08,966

everybody else is kind of just vehicles

to make the story happen for the animals.

00:50:09,036 --> 00:50:09,366

And

00:50:09,416 --> 00:50:09,446

Katie: have

00:50:10,526 --> 00:50:14,866

Lizzy: and so they just, they all did

such a good job coming together and

00:50:14,866 --> 00:50:21,156

making it feel sweet and whimsical,

and it just, it all worked so well.

00:50:21,296 --> 00:50:21,716

I loved

00:50:21,796 --> 00:50:24,056

Katie: they all really understand this

like the only actor that really is

00:50:24,056 --> 00:50:24,886

designed to be the top tier Cruella.

00:50:24,886 --> 00:50:27,326

Everybody else is kind of just

vehicles to make the story happen or

00:50:27,326 --> 00:50:31,686

vehicles that, And so they just all

do such a good job working together

00:50:31,936 --> 00:50:32,326

Lizzy: Yes.

00:50:32,546 --> 00:50:35,136

Katie: making it feel

sweet but still different.

00:50:35,136 --> 00:50:37,316

I, on that point, y- yes,

everything you said 100%.

00:50:37,316 --> 00:50:40,276

I feel like now some-- There

was some early CGI in this.

00:50:40,276 --> 00:50:42,526

But, but this is '96.

00:50:42,576 --> 00:50:42,966

I, I didn't

00:50:42,966 --> 00:50:45,516

mind it at all because it wasn't

over, like it wasn't overused,

00:50:45,516 --> 00:50:46,346

and for '96 it was pretty good.

00:50:46,346 --> 00:50:50,326

But I feel like now instead of having,

And I know some of the, some of them are

00:50:50,326 --> 00:50:56,126

probably animatronics and stuff, but I

prefer that over CGI animal any day, you

00:50:56,126 --> 00:50:56,436

know?

00:50:57,016 --> 00:50:59,286

So, I don't know.

00:50:59,506 --> 00:50:59,966

Yeah.

00:51:00,336 --> 00:51:02,596

I do have a question, a couple questions.

00:51:02,976 --> 00:51:05,916

What is Cruella's plan?

00:51:06,996 --> 00:51:10,786

I know this is a Disney movie,

but she's planning to...

00:51:10,786 --> 00:51:12,366

Where is she gonna wear this coat

00:51:12,766 --> 00:51:18,086

and have no one no- no one notice that

it's, "Hey, a bunch of Dalmatians went

00:51:18,086 --> 00:51:21,126

missing and now there's a Dalmatian coat."

00:51:21,836 --> 00:51:26,186

Lizzy: Not to mention that she ... The

one thing that, like a plot hole

00:51:26,186 --> 00:51:30,636

that confused me was how long

it took Anita to figure out that

00:51:30,706 --> 00:51:31,076

Katie: a villain and you're-

00:51:31,626 --> 00:51:33,936

Lizzy: It's like, why wasn't

that the first thing on your

00:51:34,126 --> 00:51:35,816

Katie: actually starts

thinking- Oh my God.

00:51:36,106 --> 00:51:36,866

Lizzy: yes, so like

00:51:36,866 --> 00:51:38,336

it's like halfway through the movie.

00:51:38,366 --> 00:51:38,736

Yes.

00:51:39,076 --> 00:51:40,326

You know she's been over.

00:51:40,326 --> 00:51:43,336

She's already solicit you,

solicited you for the puppies.

00:51:43,616 --> 00:51:48,596

She's told you what she intends

to do with them, and then she

00:51:48,596 --> 00:51:51,426

also stormed out really angry.

00:51:51,426 --> 00:51:54,966

And to know her is to know that she's

not the person who's gonna take no for

00:51:54,966 --> 00:51:57,086

an answer to sh- boss, so you know her.

00:51:57,636 --> 00:52:01,346

And I, I watched that

and I was like, "Huh.

00:52:01,346 --> 00:52:02,026

I'm s- wait.

00:52:02,026 --> 00:52:04,696

I thought this ... I must have,

like, missed that, that she

00:52:04,696 --> 00:52:07,026

actually didn't realize that?"

00:52:07,026 --> 00:52:11,386

'Cause to your point, Cruella had--

I mean, the only way that that

00:52:11,386 --> 00:52:14,596

would've worked, she would've had

to just like move and just start...

00:52:14,596 --> 00:52:18,076

I mean, you can't wear

that to a red carpet

00:52:18,361 --> 00:52:18,701

Katie: that to

00:52:18,976 --> 00:52:19,556

Lizzy: knowing full...

00:52:19,556 --> 00:52:21,526

But same thing, but the exact same

00:52:21,526 --> 00:52:22,546

thing with the tiger.

00:52:22,576 --> 00:52:27,256

Like if, you know, that was like a huge

news story in London at the time, so

00:52:27,256 --> 00:52:32,076

if you just come walking out with that

tiger coat, like everybody's gonna know.

00:52:32,226 --> 00:52:32,666

So I...

00:52:32,666 --> 00:52:37,496

That is definitely a, a weird

plot hole that, that she

00:52:37,496 --> 00:52:39,006

doesn't actually fully address.

00:52:39,751 --> 00:52:40,071

Katie: Great.

00:52:40,351 --> 00:52:44,381

I'm glad that you brought up the

Anita taking forever to figure it out.

00:52:44,461 --> 00:52:44,561

I

00:52:44,641 --> 00:52:47,451

too was like, "Oh my

God, Anita, get with the

00:52:47,466 --> 00:52:47,746

Lizzy: guess.

00:52:49,261 --> 00:52:51,841

Katie: Yeah, we kind of already talked

about like a lot of the "Home Alone"

00:52:52,041 --> 00:52:55,461

stuff, and a lot of times I kind of,

I don't know if complain is the right

00:52:55,541 --> 00:52:58,001

word, but it's just not as well done,

00:52:58,961 --> 00:53:00,521

you know, in a lot of his other movies.

00:53:00,941 --> 00:53:06,121

Not "Home Alone," but kinda

tries to repeat that same formula

00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:07,421

over and over and over again.

00:53:07,801 --> 00:53:10,761

But it somehow it works in this as well.

00:53:10,936 --> 00:53:11,276

Lizzy: Yes.

00:53:11,901 --> 00:53:12,681

Katie: Don't you think?

00:53:12,751 --> 00:53:13,991

There weren't too many.

00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:15,411

And they were a little bit different.

00:53:15,471 --> 00:53:16,891

There were some that were a trademark,

00:53:17,371 --> 00:53:22,971

do you have thoughts about that, that

typical the falls and mishaps and stuff?

00:53:23,506 --> 00:53:28,246

Lizzy: I think it's-- I think when

it's done, I think the f- the formula

00:53:28,246 --> 00:53:30,286

really is like you have to have...

00:53:30,286 --> 00:53:35,546

And honestly, I'm gonna take a note from

that kid that tests all the video games.

00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:36,946

Like he really is spot on.

00:53:36,946 --> 00:53:37,966

Like you need a villain.

00:53:37,966 --> 00:53:40,316

Whoever your villain

is, like that matters.

00:53:40,316 --> 00:53:45,156

And I think why Home Alone matters so

much is because the Wet Bandits are...

00:53:46,066 --> 00:53:50,046

Even though they're inherently bad,

and we know this, and no one's rooting

00:53:50,046 --> 00:53:55,366

for them to successfully hurt Kevin

or raid the house, but but there's a

00:53:55,366 --> 00:54:00,776

silliness to them that makes it fun

to watch, and you ultimately can infer

00:54:00,776 --> 00:54:02,306

that everything's gonna end up okay.

00:54:02,306 --> 00:54:03,536

So there's not a lot of fear.

00:54:03,536 --> 00:54:04,696

It's just kind of more fun.

00:54:05,266 --> 00:54:09,226

And I think that that really

applies itself to this movie.

00:54:09,256 --> 00:54:11,116

I think that it feels earned

00:54:11,121 --> 00:54:11,731

Katie: is so important

00:54:11,806 --> 00:54:17,306

Lizzy: when the puppies start fighting

back because the kidnapping's happened

00:54:17,306 --> 00:54:21,206

and and they've all been rescued and

it's you know, it's really just kind of

00:54:21,206 --> 00:54:24,376

like one puppy against the other ones.

00:54:24,426 --> 00:54:28,236

And they're-- the fall through the

rotting wood, that's definitely a John

00:54:28,351 --> 00:54:28,861

Katie: my favorite part.

00:54:28,911 --> 00:54:29,311

Mm-hmm,

00:54:29,506 --> 00:54:29,966

Lizzy: trademark.

00:54:30,146 --> 00:54:33,096

I-- The one that I remember sticking

with me when I was a kid, and it

00:54:33,096 --> 00:54:36,686

was just as impactful watching it

now, is when Horace gets flown into

00:54:37,446 --> 00:54:40,856

the pond, and he is like freezing.

00:54:40,856 --> 00:54:43,741

He's like, "Cold, cold,"

and he like fl- Freezes.

00:54:43,791 --> 00:54:46,561

Katie: in place- He

literally freezes in place.

00:54:46,921 --> 00:54:47,441

Lizzy: yeah, literally freezes, yes.

00:54:47,441 --> 00:54:52,281

And then the last one that I feel

was kind of a fun different element

00:54:52,561 --> 00:54:54,151

Katie: watching this crap

00:54:54,321 --> 00:54:57,731

Lizzy: these raccoons and their

squirrel they're all messing with their

00:54:57,731 --> 00:55:04,201

van, and they're doing it probably

10 to 15 minutes prior before any of

00:55:04,201 --> 00:55:05,761

this other stuff starts happening.

00:55:05,761 --> 00:55:09,041

So then they get into the car, and you

kind of almost forget that all that's

00:55:09,041 --> 00:55:12,931

been done and and so they're driving

away, and he's like, "I'm so cold.

00:55:12,931 --> 00:55:13,501

I'm so cold.

00:55:13,501 --> 00:55:14,411

I just need the heat.

00:55:14,411 --> 00:55:15,181

I just need the heat."

00:55:15,181 --> 00:55:16,991

And turns it on and blazes fire.

00:55:16,991 --> 00:55:18,691

He's like, "Too hot, too hot."

00:55:18,761 --> 00:55:19,951

And I don't know, it works for me.

00:55:19,981 --> 00:55:23,821

I think like one to two things per guy,

00:55:23,911 --> 00:55:24,161

and

00:55:24,261 --> 00:55:28,681

so I think because, you know, in again,

in like a Home Alone or something

00:55:28,681 --> 00:55:31,541

else, it was like that's kind of

more the central focus of the movie.

00:55:32,011 --> 00:55:35,631

So I think because it was so

minimal, you were able to enjoy

00:55:35,631 --> 00:55:37,221

it without it getting stale.

00:55:38,306 --> 00:55:39,566

Katie: Yeah, those are great points.

00:55:39,786 --> 00:55:43,006

They did a good job setting up

something and then you kinda forget

00:55:43,046 --> 00:55:44,486

about it and it's gonna happen later.

00:55:44,526 --> 00:55:45,806

There were several of those.

00:55:45,866 --> 00:55:47,106

The, the skunk one

00:55:47,366 --> 00:55:47,506

too.

00:55:47,576 --> 00:55:49,016

You're like, "This is here for a reason.

00:55:49,056 --> 00:55:49,756

When is, when's it