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Hello, welcome to astrology hotline where we

answer birth chart and astrology questions submitted by

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at astrology hotline pod@gmail.com. I'm Kyle Pierce

and hosting with me today is Tristan Paylor. Hello, everyone.

It is July 25 2021. Sagittarius is rising here in Michigan, I

assume in Ontario as well. Yep. We have a couple of questions

here that we're gonna go over today. We want to go ahead and

get started or do you have any groundbreaking news to share? Tristan?

I don't think I have any groundbreaking news. So I'm

happy to go ahead and introduce our first question.

All right, fire away.

So Maggie wants to know how she can shift from

being such a Fixed sign to a person with more creativity, or

fluidity. She also says she has changed a lot in the last few

years. And she wants to know how charts account of deep

personality changes as the result of trauma or trauma

recovery. The first thing I notice is that Maggie is a

Gemini rising. And I absolutely love that we got two questions

in one from a Gemini rising is symbolically perfect. And that

there's a bit of a paradox between these questions. Yeah.

And that they both have to do with change. So this is the

Gemini our Sagittarius maybe rising where we are. But Gemini

is rising in spirit here.

Because we could be considered the other in this

context. Yeah.

As a descendant

the wise Sagittarian Jupiter ruled.

So Maggie's chart isn't actually overly fixed.

There's a really good balance of all the modes in this chart.

There's even you know, Mercury in Gemini being right on the

ascendant, which is probably the most adaptable, flexible

placement I could imagine in astrology. Right. So I think

there's a lot of, yeah, it's really there. There's lots of

potential for creativity and fluidity in this chart. But

there are a couple of things I see that could slow it down. I

think one of them would be that opposition between the moon in

cancer and Saturn and Capricorn happening in the second and

eighth houses.

Yeah. Alongside the the first house ruler, which

just real quick, just give a general overview of Maggie's

chart here is Gemini rising Mercury at about 20 degrees,

right on the ascendant at about 19 degrees. Sun in Taurus, and

moon in cancer, like you said, but the moon, you know, that's a

really important general indicator for the person. Let's

say, you know, sometimes the moon shows up more as other

people but like, I feel like almost consistently, even like

in day charts, the moon saying something about the individual.

Yeah, yeah, that's one where, I mean, I've been

learning so much about traditional astrology, where the

planets tend to represent people or events more so than they

represent the owner of the chart, but I still find the Sun

and Moon really consistently say something about someone's

personality, regardless of you know, the other things they also

indicate in a chart.

Yeah. The whole mean the whole chart and some

digression, but ended up describing personality was like,

those are like developments, which, you know, maybe we'll get

into as we're talking about, like personality change. But the

first Hospitallers kind of like your, your baseline, like your

main mode of operating.

Yeah. And the thing you have the most control over?

Yeah, the most say.

Yeah, but I would, thinking about the you have the

dichotomy in the question, which, again, very Mercury in

Gemini, but almost like I would feel like, it kind of almost

seems to indicate a personality change or like a significant,

like wearing many hats in life. You know,

I want to just going back to that Saturn moon

opposition, I feel like that's an important aspect to look at

in terms of feeling fixed in terms of feeling stuck,

especially since the moon in cancer is actually very fluid

and very changeable and very flexible. The moon in cancer is

good at sort of taking the shape of its environment. But Saturn

represents very much the opposite prints. supple and

intends to freeze things. And with you know, the moon,

representing our unconscious conditioning, you know, I can

see this aspect representing a sense of being stuck in certain

patterns of behavior may be connected to you know what you

need to feel secure the job of the moon is to make you feel

secure and Saturn in this opposition could represent a

fear or negative experience that makes it hard to relax or feel

comfortable. So, I don't know, there's like an overall sense

with this aspect that safety depends on prevention, and

Saturn is maybe being kind of rigid about what the moon should

be doing to prevent negative experiences from happening. Even

if there is no danger or danger has passed, that sort of

freezing effect of Saturn can just get these two planets

stuck. And being in the second and eighth houses, which are

houses that don't have a lot of visibility, those patterns can

be harder to change, because they might be harder to see,

might be harder to sort of bring, you know, whatever,

whatever feelings are, whatever feelings are caught up in this

sense of being stuck, it might be hard to sort of bring them to

the surface.

One thing I find about the eighth house, too, is

there is a feeling of powerlessness, you know, gets a

lot of its significations from being a succeed in house you

know, so like, with diurnal motion, the eighth house is the

house that will soon become the seventh house. But like a planet

moving is looking towards the ninth house, it feels like it's

on its way there. So there's like a feeling of falling

backwards. And it being so kind of closely tied with the seventh

house, it's kind of a very other tree house, and it doesn't make

an aspect with the ascendant. So it like, we don't always, like

identify very strongly with a house planets. Like initially,

there is like a feeling of like, lack of control, or even just

waiting for something to happen. Yeah, often negative and feeling

like stuck in the dark.

Or, like, you know, maybe whatever it is that had

you feeling stuck in the first place has passed, and you're

sort of waiting for the rest of you to get caught up, you know,

or it's like, okay, I don't have to be stuck in this place

anymore. You know, things are safe, I can move forward. But

there's, you know, a part of you that's not quite ready for

change that isn't quite there yet. And I feel like the answer,

you know, there isn't sort of a radical answer in that scenario,

other than patience and self compassion, you know, the usual

pieces of advice that people would probably give you that the

part of you that, that isn't quite caught up with the rest of

you yet in terms of being ready to become more flexible and move

forward. It's a part of you that just needs some patience and

some care in order to catch up. It's, it's going to take a

little longer.

Yeah, I think that's the general theme with

succeeding houses to like, is there move forward to kind of

show up a little later. Because otherwise, you know, that is a

difficult aspect, but I'm with the Moon and Venus as well, you

know, both very emotional kind of feeling planets. But Saturn

is, you know, it's in its own sign, it's in a day chart, as

well. It's a placement that, you know, I would still think would

tend to improve over time, that sort of tendency for Saturn to

put the freeze on things or slow things down. It hasn't had time

to cook, it thaws, it starts to thaw and let's hold, lets go of

its grip on you know, whatever, it's aspecting closely.

And I think the moon in cancer is always ready to

change. I mean, the moon in cancer is just the pure moon.

That's the moon's home sign. And the moon is very, obviously very

visually about change. That's what you know, lends the moon

its symbolism is going through all of these phases. And cancer

is a cardinal sign. This is a moon that's always ready to move

forward. And Saturn might be a voice of caution, you know about

doing too much too quickly. So yeah, it's like there's a bit of

a standoff here between a very a part of you that wants progress

that wants to let feelings move through you. That's that's ready

for change. And then maybe another part that's a little

more resistant and inflexible, but they both have your best

interests at heart. So I feel like you know, the resolution is

finding that balance between the intense desire for change and

the need to exercise caution and not try to do too much at once.

Yeah, I also, I also really feel like you're probably making a

lot more progress than you realize. When I see opposition's

from Saturn like this, sometimes the image that comes to mind for

me is like, you know, scraping gum off the bottom of a chair

that's been hardened for a really, really long time, and

you just kind of have to keep chipping away and chipping away.

And when you're chipping away at things, you know, you don't see

immediate progress, you don't see it happening very quickly.

So you kind of need to change your perspective and zoom out a

little in order to see the progress actually happening

because it's happening over, you know, on a larger scale or over

a longer period of time.

Yeah, I really love actually that gum stuck to the

bottom for chair analogy. I've had that experience of having

gum stuck to stuff. And I remember one time I figured out

that if you hold the lighter up, you know, not too far from it,

he did give it some heat, you know, it'll soften and you can

pull it right off there. Obviously too much heat, you

know, and it'll get all gooey and just get even more stuck all

over stuff but

and this is this is why Saturn prefers diurnal

charts, it needs the heat. Yeah. So so a little a little bit of

heat prevents it from you know, turning into a rock solid piece

of gas. Yeah.

Makes a lot of sense that I'm just like, kind

of having this question. come up for you, Maggie. is mercury, you

know, in your first house, in Gemini Ruling Your ascendant on

the ascendant, you know, very powerful placement, Mercury is

very oriented towards change, wants to change thrives on a

novelty, but there are kind of themes coming from houses that

are less than visible, indicating, you know, more

flaccidity in different ways, like the sun in Taurus, in the

12. And even you know, Jupiter, yeah, not that I'm, I see

everything about the 12th house is being strictly negative or

about suffering or about, you know, undoing you, but they are,

you know, their themes of what is in the 12th house, being not

entirely visible and representing challenges. Even

like a kind of a fixed acidity of the sun. What is the sun

here?

That's number 3/3,

which is a house of movement and travel, you know,

you're kind of every day, your day to day goings on. In the sun

in Taurus, this is like everything that it would do. But

like there could be like fixity in your everyday environment,

like everyday feels maybe like exactly the same compared to

like, maybe what you're more oriented towards, you know,

you're looking for, but I could see how Mercury in Gemini, and

even that theme of like signs that are right next to each

other, traditionally considered to be an aversion, you know, the

they can work together in kind of odd ways, but they are almost

they're more opposite than an opposition, in a sense. Like, I

would say that Taurus and Scorpio have more in common than

Taurus and Gemini.

Oh, definitely. Yeah, I mean, opposition's are, you

know, it's like the difference between red and green, red and

green or opposite colors on the color wheel. What's the

difference between red and square, they're completely

different categories. So, you know, Capricorn, and cancer, or

Taurus and Scorpio. They're just at opposite poles of a single

spectrum, which means they have a lot in common categorically

two sides of this, whereas Taurus and Gemini, yeah, they

are exactly two sides of the same coin, or as Taurus and

Gemini being an aversion currencies. It's like apples and

oranges. Yeah. It's hard to get a conversation going between

them. It's interesting how mercury, there's a lot that

mercury can't see in this chart. Which, you know, I can imagine

might be frustrating because mercury is flexible, especially

in Gemini is flexibility and adaptability. And Mercury is so

open to new ideas and new ways of seeing things and willing to

change its mind based on new information. But they're all of

these other factors going on sort of in the shadows in this

chart that that mercury can't see that are kind of putting a

halt. On You know what this chart was has to do having both

the second light because, you know, maybe he was born during

the day. So the sun is you know the, the most important of the

two lights in this chart and then Jupiter being the diurnal,

but NAVFAC, and they're both in the 12th house, which is a place

that slows things down and breaks things down. It's not a

forward momentum, kind of house, it's trying to move through the

12th house is like trying to move through five feet of snow

in the middle of the night without a flashlight. Yeah.

Nothing happens quickly in there.

Yeah, it's only after like, long periods of

reflection, you have to really sit alone and really, like,

there is something about, you know, the 12. And, you know, it

being the joy of Saturn, it does have like a very Saturn quality,

where you kind of have to suffer for your gains a little bit.

There is a degree of letting go. It, you know, it's a it's gonna

sound very contradictory. But, you know, being a Gemini rising

with mercury, on the ascendant, you might be more receptive to

this sort of thought, but the there's a degree to which, you

know, you have to let go of what's in the 12. But at the

same time, sort of take control, but like, take control the

things that you can, there's a, what is that, um, the poem

called the serenity,

prayer, give me the strength to

accept the things you can't change. Yes, change the

things you can,

yeah, that, to me seems like a very tall house

sort of prayer. You know, the 12th house is very much

associated with prayer.

There is, I was taking a look at aspects of this chart

that might support becoming more flexible, I feel like supporting

the moon, and what the moon is trying to do would probably be

helpful. And there's this sort of, like, very beautiful,

symmetrical support group of planets going on in this chart,

the 12th house and the second house are giving each other a

lot of support, which is very interesting. But there is a

really beautiful, mutual reception going on between the

Moon and Jupiter, where Jupiter is in the sign where the moon

exalts, and the moon is in the sign where Jupiter exalts, and

they can see each other by a positive aspect. So they're

very, and yeah, moons applying to Jupiter. It's yeah, it's just

a gorgeous aspect. But the Moon, Venus, and sun and Jupiter,

they're all kind of just in this nice little party, all

supporting each other. And, you know, when I was looking at the

houses that these planets rule, obviously, the houses in a chart

contain a lot of the people in your life, a lot of the

relationships that you have. So you know, Jupiter, for example,

rules the seventh house, which is partnerships, the sun rules,

the third house, which is siblings and neighbors and

people who are sort of part of your everyday routine or

environment. You know, the grocery store clerks are people

you see on the bus every day, the 10th house is also being

ruled by Jupiter, which is, you know, people in positions of

authority. The third house also represents spiritual networks

and spiritual communities. So I feel like there's all this

support going on between these four planets. And so there's an

indication that reaching out to people in those relationships or

things that may help to support your moon

making spot like up in my head just looking at that

mutual reception by exultation with Jupiter and the moon.

Jupiter being you know, the sect, the nuffic You know, even

in the 12th house like Jupiter is still trying to do Jupiter

keeps popping into my head, like good things come to those who

wait. There is a strong theme that and just with Taurus in

general of just notoriously II, there's a very receptive sign

and it is maybe the most fixed of the fixed signs. It's fixed

earth, like rocks, you know, the ground that we're walking on,

you don't want that to become too unstable, however much, you

know, maybe you personally want to see shifts and changes, there

is a sort of patience that needs to be cultivated. Mercury in

Gemini is maybe not the most patient kind of planet, you

know, it has a lot of strength, it's very strong and its sign.

But there is, you know, it's very restless, very, craving new

things, and was like imagining, like maybe you changing a lot,

but like your environment, maybe lagging behind, and maybe it

doesn't seem like the changes have actually happened. Maybe

you've changed a lot more than you think. Think to the, you

know, Mars. There's, you know, a Trine relationship with Mars and

Aquarius in the ninth you know, it's pretty close to the MC

actually. You know, Mars is out of sect. So it's extra hot that

Trine it does add like a lot more heat in an energy to

Mercury, like you might really, really want to move forward. And

then Mars, squaring the sun to Taurus. And we think of So You

Think of like Mars, and Aquarius, like fixed air, like

just this. Like trying to blow a boulder across a field. There's

almost like a lot of momentum that needs to be developed to

get it going. And Mercury in Gemini may struggle with

maintaining focus long enough maintaining the direction of the

wind long enough to concentrating it to get things

moving. Yeah, or even when it does, it feels like this is way

slower than I want it to be.

Yeah, and I think I mean, the quality of flexibility

in the first place is I mean, it makes me think about Mercury in

Gemini because Mercury in Gemini tends to disperse. It wants to

do a lot of things at once and it's generally quite capable of

being successful at doing many things at once at once it wants

to change many things at once. And that kind of is the quality

of flexibility is you know, being able to change direction

at a moment's notice sort of unplanned and Mercury Ruling

Your ascendant and being right on your Ascendant is the most

sort of descriptive of of your personality and sort of the

direction that you feel your life is headed in. So yeah, I do

get that sense of contrast there where you've got this mercury

who really is ready to just make all of these changes right now.

And a lot of other factors in the chart that are like no, we

need to let things do

Yeah. What was included in the question like

how how to complete change was

how how to become more flexible? Yeah.

Yeah, I think that I don't know that. Like the

chart seems to indicate that that you Maggie are quite

flexible. But maybe the flexibility that needs to be

cultivated is in the ability to like to be still and patient and

in waiting, you know, waiting is the hardest part right? What

song is that? If you like just having Taurus on the 12th house

is like God is this ever gonna change this is ever gonna move?

We're gonna go forward.

Well, there's a lot of stress on this Taurus planets to

move forward, which is kind of unfair towards hates

beings, not just to move to

being rushed. Not saying I'm talking archetypally

here. So just to clarify, Maggie, I'm not saying that

you're being hard on your Taurus planets, but your chart is being

your Taurus planets, where Mars is being kind of antagonistic

here and saying, Hey, let's go Yeah, and kind of trying to rush

those Taurus planets and putting pressure on them which is

ultimately just making them stressed. And I think that a

Taurus planet which is stressed is actually just going to move

slower.

Yeah. Makes me think of moving towards like the

the more you try to push tourists, for, you know, the

more digs in its heels. So you think of like a really tight

muscle. I used to be a massage therapist. And one of the things

with muscles, when they're really really tense is like you,

you know, some, there's two ways to to address a really tight

muscle. There's one I called it, the beat it into submission

approach, which some therapists do, you know, they dig their

elbows in there and they just, you know, rip and tear into that

muscle until it's until it just gives up, but usually much more

effective and much less painful, is soothing the muscle and

letting it relax. The other, you know, technique that that I

ended up using a lot was trigger point therapy. trigger point

therapy is when you apply pressure to the muscle, it's

gentle pressure, you can't just dig your thumb in, you have to

like feel it and let your thumb kind of feel each layer of the

muscle relax layer by layer until you get it to get it all

the way down to the bone you know into into in you just

you're basically choking the muscle out you're cutting it off

from its blood supply you're cutting its oxygen supply out

and eventually the muscle just has to it's like a sleeper hold

you know chokehold on the muscle. And then it gives up.

And there is something about the like, being oxidized with all

that fixed air Mars, like blowing on it. Like all the

approaches that Mars has to getting, getting that Taurus

stuff to, to let up is making tourists dig in. So again, with

the theme of adopting a more serene and relaxed approach, you

get the concept of hurling with a ray. You know, Mars is pretty

tight square with the sun, and being kind of the overcoming

position. But it's like so tight that like the sun has an

opportunity to hurl a ray. It makes me think of you're trying

to like push a bowl, which just sounds like a really terrible

idea. I'm trying to push it out of the pen. Just you know, kicks

you with the back kick. And you know, I can kill people

sometimes. See where we're pushing the ball, not saying

that that is going to kill you. Anything I find that the sun

doesn't raise so much in a violent way. You're gonna like a

Taurus.

Well, there's there is an interesting, I mean, I

couldn't help thinking about metaphors, if keeping bowls.

While looking at the Mars Sun square in this chart. The sun is

in the bounds of Mars. So the image of a bowl in a pen, you

know, the 12th house being a state of confinement. And within

that state of confinement, specifically being in the

bullpen that belongs to Mars, and Mars being antagonistic

towards the bull that they're keeping the pen. But the bull

still does have that power, because the aspect is so close

to hurl his photos every now and then when he's tired of what

Mars is doing.

Yeah, like Mars can only really keep in the pen.

That's the most

Yeah, that's that's as much as far as you know. I would

say I mean, I don't know how much. This helps with the first

question. I feel like it may be relevant to the second question

about how a chart can account for drastic personality changes.

Because I find that squares represent dynamic tension that

often indicates a dramatic change, or going from one

extreme to the other. And maybe, you know, this aspect represents

a situation like that that has happened in Maggie's life where

there was a really intense or extreme sort of situation that

caused a huge change in Outlook or personality.

Yeah, and just thinking that you know, Uranus

is going through Taurus right now. hasn't quite hit Jupiter

yet but it's getting close. Might go retrograde before it

hits it may not hit it this year. Distributed at 16 degrees.

Uranus is at 14 You know having some Taurus planets that are you

know, feeling Uranus right now. Taurus is not you know, sign

it's not super inclined to change. Uranus is like really

trying to make it happen. The change that happens with Taurus

is it's the very slow tectonic plate is this analogy problem.

million times slow movement of tectonic plates versus, you

know, the sudden volcanic eruption. Because it's like a

total landscape change. And it's making me think is that over the

next few years, does seem to to indicate that the landscape is

undergoing change. There is some some resurfacing of the soil, at

the very least.

On the restlessness, yeah. I just feel like yeah,

there's a real sense of restlessness there, that

whatever is happening in the 12 Hairs needed to change, it's not

changing fast enough. Uranus is sitting right there on top of

it, just kind of shaking things up and making it feel unsettled.

Yeah. And, you know, Taurus is saying, like, just be patient.

Yeah. And also, like, want to reiterate, you know, looking,

you know, if you journal, or anything like that, that can be

really helpful. And looking at journals over a long period of

time, can show you how you've probably become a lot more

flexible than you used to be, you've probably made a lot more

progress than you think you have. It's just happening. You

know, at a rate that isn't, at least you know, for like the

Mercury in Gemini that's like barely perceptible because

Mercury and Gemini is changing all the time. So if you know

something takes several years to change, Mercury and Gemini might

not notice that it's changed. Because they're used to existing

in the whirlwind, not in a world where there's slow, steady

progress,

just the the change that Taurus undergoes is so slow

that but like, you know, Taurus does change, Taurus does move,

you know, that herd of buffalo will make its way across the

field. And if you're not watching it happen, you know,

you're not really seeing the change. But like, at some point,

you're going to turn your head and they'll be gone, you know,

or it'll be all the way, you know, across the field. You

know, maybe see to some degree, maybe taking your eye off, but

to getting contradictory. Not focusing on on it so much. No,

I like that. I do like that. Because I think that is

something that happens where when you're so focused on, like,

I need to become more flexible. And you're, you're watching a

pop boil, you know, and it's it, the watch pot never boils, you

know, and you're just standing there staring at it. Whereas, if

you turn your back on it for one second, it's all over the stone.

Yeah. But there is there's some, you know, the way we perceive

things psychologically, we don't perceive change, as we're if

we're, if we're watching it very, very carefully. We don't

tend to perceive it.

Yeah, it's agonizing. You know, watching

the clock waiting for, you know, squeezing it out. You're like,

yes, that's five minutes has been forever. Like, you know,

when I'm on like, a road trip with my son. You know, it's like

every 10 minutes, are we there yet? How far are we are we are

you know, how much longer and like, if you just take your, you

know, what I always tell him, like, just if you pay attention

to something else will be there. Before you know it.

Yeah, it's that you need to change your attention,

what you're paying attention to you shift your focus of

attention away from, how long it's going to take to get to

your destination, and focus on how many purple flowers do you

see at the side of the road?

And stop and smell the roses.

And you know, by ELB be so yeah, you'll be so busy

counting flowers, you won't even realize you've already reached

your destination?

Yeah. Do we want to say a bit about what change

looks like in general in a birth chart? Or?

Oh, yeah. The second part of the question, how birth

charts account for, you know, drastic personality change,

maybe as a result of trauma or trauma recovery. One thing I'd

like to point out about this issue with charts is that not

all of the charts, potential is active all at once, right from

the start. It's not like you're born and everything because the

birth chart represents your whole life. The people that you

meet the events of your life and your personality, it's the whole

the whole picture from beginning to end. So obviously, all of the

people that you'll meet and all of the significant events of

your life and all of the things that you will feel and believe

in think and learn, do not all occur at once at the moment that

you're born, they occur bit by bit over the course of your

life. So, you know, the chart shows potential for certain

things to happen. But whether or not you know, that potential is

actualized depends on other things, I mean, you can look to

transits and perfections. And those kinds of techniques for

clues to see when parts of your chart become activated and

become significant and might indicate a life changing event,

like a placement in a birth chart might symbolically

indicate a life changing events, like getting a specific job or

meeting a specific partner that only happens once in your entire

life. And then that event subsequently will change, you

know, your outlook on life and change other parts of your life,

possibly your personality. So I think, you know, that's one of

the ways that a birth chart accounts for change.

My eye is rather drawn to, you know, the Saturn,

Uranus conjunction, and, you know, that, that, when that

affects a large group of people, that conjunction existed, you

know, good two or three years, or at least that CO presence in

Capricorn. Um, one that, you know, Kristin and I are both

part of as well. And it does, you know, point to change, but

like Saturn, you know, Saturn's there everyday, you can see

Saturn, Uranus, pops in, and makes a big change and then pops

out. And you know, most of the time, Saturn is doing Saturn.

But that Uranus conjunction, it's like when it gets

triggered, or activated, it sort of points to, you know, a big

shift Saturn in Capricorn kind of representing walls and

boundaries. Irina's kind of pointing to, you know, breaking

down some walls of some kind, believe that, you know, that

conjunction course coincided with the breaking down of the

Berlin Wall, and, you know, Saturn ruling your ninth house,

and Mars being in your ninth house, with that square, like

maybe like trying to be done the door, or trying to try to enact

that change with the Taurus planets could be like a radical

change in the belief system, or, you know, the spiritual stance.

Yeah, I feel like anything, any sort of transit,

activating Saturn, because of that Saturn Uranus conjunction

being so close would perhaps indicate dramatic changes to

belief system and worldview, which is represented by the

ninth house which Saturn rules, or major changes to significant

partnerships, the kinds of partnerships where there are

shared resources, where a lot is shared.

And we're, you know, we're going, we're in a

Saturn during the square right now. And I feel like in a lot of

the readings I've done recently, a lot of people with, you know,

significant with the hard aspects with Uranus, and Saturn,

in their charts are seeking readings out, you know, this is,

like a time where that's being activated. So I mean, you might

be like, you might be kind of in it right now. But like those

changes, being kind of more unseen, like, you're maybe not

going to really know, when it's happening. We're not realize

that it's happening,

or they come out of nowhere. Yeah, there's there

extra unexpected because, well, at least that eighth house

changes the ninth house changes you might be able to see coming

a little more clearly, but the eighth house being so concealed,

represents things you wouldn't you really wouldn't expect.

Yeah, there's something about things moving

very slow. Looking for things already kind of said this, but

when things are moving slow and steady, you know, you can take

your eye off them, you're maybe you can, you may not. Maybe you

should. And then when you when you check them again, you know,

that's when you really see the changes that are worth

monitoring. Like when I look at my you know, my stock portfolio,

it's better not to look at it every single day. Because then

you get wrapped up in like the everyday movements, you know, or

the fact that it's not moving. But then if you check it like,

you know, once a month, as long as you're not doing like day

trading you must get more perspective on it. Like you see

the moral of the launch Some kind of trend or picture more

more clearly. So I mean, it's

very relevant to discussing the eighth house.

You wonder if you have a stock portfolio Maggie.

If you do might be in for some change. Yeah

might be a roller coaster Uranus in the eighth.

Well that was that conjunction also happened during a global

stock market crash between late 87 and early 88 Saturn and

Uranus conjunction happened around Black Monday. So, anyway

that's making you are you were born? Yeah, you were you were

born around that time. That was the general atmosphere that you

were born into Maggie and Warren into a time of change. You're

born into a time of global stock markets crashing for no apparent

reason.

Yeah, but that preceded you know what, if you

ever watched the matrix, you would know for a fact that the

1990s was the peak of human civilization. So there you go.

Shake up before you get that smooth ride of the 1990s go back

to ground things a little, you know, to come down

to earth away from from Uranus, who is very not down to earth. I

actually have an example from my own life in my own chart, where

there has been a very drastic personality change. And I can

see how it plays out in my chart. So I find I think I

mentioned this earlier, I started touching on this

question a little bit when I was answering the first question.

And I was talking about the square that Maggie has going on

between Mars and the Sun and Jupiter. Very, very, very

intense close square between Mars and the Sun and squares

representing extremes and extreme change. So I have a

similar configuration in my chart, but it is between Mercury

and Saturn. I have Saturn in Capricorn overcoming my mercury

in Aries through a square. And Saturn has an inhibiting or

delaying or limiting effect. Mercury has to do with

communication. I was an extremely chatty child, I was

frequently kicked out of my classrooms, because if it was

getting too chaotic in the class, sending me to the office

was actually a good solution for the teacher because I was just I

would not shut up. And at some point, you know, maybe when I

was around 11 or 12, I started to develop social anxiety

disorder. And over the course of my teenage years and up into my

young adulthood, I actually had selective mutism where I

physically could not speak, I could speak to certain people

within my inner circle who I had established, like a strong

amount of comfort with, but I, you know, take me to the grocery

strike, I could not physically speak to the cashier, which is a

very Saturn square mercury. Saturn is literally silencing

mercury. So that was a pretty extreme shift from you know, me

being the noisiest kid who had ever existed to having selective

mutism. And then, you know, I did some therapy and started

working, you know, at coffee shops where I had to talk to

people every day. The result is that like, here I am doing a

podcast. So, you know, there's some huge shifts in my

personality and my behavior over the course of my life that you

can really see with that aspect. And the chart is actually

indicating going between those extremes because the square the

nature of the square is about going between extremes.

Yeah, nature of Mars, is the

nature of Mars. Squares are squares are the

marzi aspects if you ever want to understand a square, it's a

conversation going on between two planets and that

conversation is very marzi. It's very tense.

Yeah, but it definitely indicates change, you

know? Often with rapid change

Yeah, yeah, and just that going from one extreme to

the next, like the pendulum swinging from one end to the

other. And I think, you know, for a lot of people who

experience extreme personality changes that pendulum, you know,

as, as you get older and you know, come to understand

yourself better, that pendulum may start to settle more in the

middle, those squares might start to become more manageable

as you become, you know, as you develop skills, or you get tools

for helping you manage extremes.

Saturn, you know, representing like old age

maturity. Once you you know, as you get older, you become more

like Saturn, which may involve being a little grouchy or a

little less open to, to new things. You also, you know,

achieve more stability, more more solid, and more wise.

And I think if, you know, Maggie are specifically

addressing trauma and trauma recovery. And I think, I mean,

if you're, if you're processing a traumatic event, and you're

looking at your chart, to kind of help you process that

traumatic event, and maybe find some symbols that resonate with

what happened, you know, big square like that might be a set

of symbols that's appropriate, you know, or it's just like this

very extreme, very sudden experience that causes this huge

shift, and then sends you on this journey of recovery, which

also really dramatically changes you like the journey itself

really changes you.

Yeah, and I mean, on the topic of seeing changing

charts, like usually, you can, there's all kinds of different

timing techniques. And I tend to use, you know, transits in

annual perfections. Mostly to get like, the dial releasing,

you get the Daraa periods. Pardon, I'm pronouncing that

correctly, or even just simpler ones, like kind of like the

planetary ages, or years, right? It's like, son is 18 years, Mars

is 15.

Oh, yeah, the greater and lesser yours.

Yeah, if that was like the focus of a reading,

like you can, you can dig that stuff out and get like a sense

of like, when this certain changes are most likely to

happen.

I do want to say something else on the subject of

accounting for personality change in a chart. Everything in

astrology has multiple layers of meaning. Each planet and house

in a chart represents several topics, and they can manifest in

hundreds of possible ways. So how the symbolism of a

particular placement is relevant to your life can change

significantly the the core symbolism remains relevant, but

how it sort of shows up or manifests may change. So like,

just to give you know, this isn't a personality example. But

a practical example. That comes from your chart, Maggie, you've

got Mars in the ninth house. You know, one one year of your life

that might look like being in a really stressful high pressure

university program. Another year, Mars in the ninth house

might look like joining and unusual religious movement or an

alternative religious movement. There's so many ways that you

know, when you blend the symbolism of Mars with the

topics of the ninth house that that can manifest. And it there

might be some, like, core symbolism that remains

consistent there for much of your life. But what it actually

looks like on a practical level is dramatically different all

the time. And like, you know, I think maybe there's, there's a

broader discussion to around this question about how you

conceptualize astrology, like, what do you think it's for? How

do you think it works? There's no one right answer to any of

those questions. There are a lot of ways to frame astrology and

to apply it to your life. I tend to think of it more as an

introspective or spiritual tool rather than a thing that's like

dictating your life in a very specific way. So you know, it's

and it's very complex and very layered, so I think it remains a

valuable tool for meditation on yourself in your life,

regardless of how much you change. And then you know it, it

responds it. The birth chart itself is static, but the

planets are continually moving. And so those techniques of you

know, looking at the relationship between these

cycles of time, and how they relate to your birth chart can

also make your birth chart sort of dynamic and active, even

though it remains the same, but it's always interacting with the

planets as they're moving. And so it's also like still

interacting with something that's in a constant state of

change in flux, and different things are being brought out of

it at different times. Indeed, well, I guess I Kyle, you use,

you use secondary progressions in your work, which actually

does, you are looking at how your chart would change, if you

sort of animated it through time, during the first few

months of your life, I it's not a technique I use, it's

something that I want to learn about, in the near future, that

I find that kind of interesting, because it makes the birth chart

a lot less static.

Absolutely. And I think that is maybe my main use

of secondary progressions. Maybe not my primary tech timing

technique, but what it really does help you do is looking at

the chart as a moving story. And get a sense of like, you know,

where you land in that story. And, you know, you do have an

interesting thing happening with your chart, and having taken a

little peek at your, you know, your secondary progressions. You

know, we didn't get really into, you know, the, the Venus,

opposition with Saturn. Spend a lot of time, too much detail,

but like that one is, you know, Venus is about to station

retrograde, kind of as it's hitting that opposition with

Saturn, and then it's going to go back into Gemini. So I mean,

there is a symbolic story of change, you know, maybe Venus

hitting something it doesn't like, and wanting to go back.

And you reassess, revisit, and maybe like a nicer way the story

can kind of look is you know, it's kind of go back into your

first house, somewhere where you're able to get like a little

bit of clarity on you know, whatever the difficult event

was, and it can potentially be becoming a more empowering, you

know, serving a more empowering stance or perspective on life.

But always hard to get a real sense of the story without, you

know, you spilling all your secrets.

Yeah, Maggie, tell us all your secrets. Tell us

everything. Yeah, I mean, there's there's always a limit,

you know, to what we can do when we don't have somebody in the

room with us to tell us about how their life matches up or

doesn't match up with what we're saying about their chart? Yeah.

Yeah, that that progression is interesting. Just indicating a

point, somewhere in Maggie's life, where there is a shift,

sort of like going back to a different way of being?

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. You're not You're not so

stuck and fixed is maybe you think, Maggie might take away? A

lot more movement and change happening? Yeah, and you have a

lot of you mean, you do have a lot of power and control over

that change. I think you can change, you know, the most about

yourself. Think you can change, you know, your environment may

lag behind. But yeah, change is always inevitable. And I really

think that you know, you when the changes do come, you have a

strong ability to adapt to them.

Yeah. And that, I mean, having the ruler of your

first house in your first house and so strongly placed, it's a

it's a nice thing to see in a chart. And it's a good because

your first house represents you and the planet that rules it,

you know, represents your agency within the chart. That's a good

suggestion of willpower, like the ability to change oneself.

Do you feel like maybe it's time to move on?

Yeah. With that we should, should move on to the

second question. All right, so our second question comes from

St. James bath on Reddit. She asks I recently came across

midlife crisis transits Pluto square Pluto, Neptune square

Neptune and maybe Uranus Square Uranus. My natal Neptune is in

Sagittarius, Pluto and Libra and Uranus and Sagittarius. I am 38

and I feel like I've been going through an absolute reckoning.

So This is an interesting question, because there does

seem to be a distinctive pattern, you know, with those

outer planet, hard aspects to the natal position occurring,

often like around the same time, the Pluto square Pluto, and

Uranus, opposite Uranus, that all seems to happen at that, you

know that late 30s, early 40s period, I find it interesting

that often, the outer planets point to a lot of generational

themes. Not that they don't affect you personally, say

almost like, the more it's aspecting your personal planets,

the more you're affected by the sort of generational patterns

and trends, but the midlife crisis, it is, it's like a

universal experience. To some degree. Everybody has kind of a

different one. But it is, it's a prevalent, cultural, you know,

universal sort of theme and experience happens like around

that time. So there is a lot to cover, try to keep it focused on

those particular transits. So we'll start maybe with like the

Uranus, opposition, Uranus, and you know, Uranus, kind of

representing just starting maybe on a collective generational

level, you get innovation, of rebellion, right, you know,

maybe what particular age group is going to fight for and what

what they're maybe trying to rebel against, maybe like were

the big themes of, of change and sort of like to think of like

molting, eeriness like when you shed some skin off, you know,

what are we trying to kind of get off our backs, and I find,

you know, with the Uranus opposition, it's interesting,

because like that, around that age, that like late 30s, early

40s age, we can vary a bit, you do get people tending to start

to become a little more conservative, if anything, but

Uranus opposition can kind of coincide with the the waxing

Saturn square, which is a tradition is kind of considered

the, the maturity of Saturn, when you kind of get your your,

your full like Saturnian wisdom. And it's kind of like, you know,

what's being rebelled against are the big themes of innovation

are kind of contrary or opposite to do what they were, during

your time back in your day, you know, even maybe when you start

to think in those terms. But yeah, that also kind of points

to that, that oppositional nature of it too, because

there's kind of a push pole in opposite directions, like, can I

still change? Can I still change? Is it too late? And is

it realistic, so you're kind of bringing a little bit more

maturity, and, like the opposition being the nature of

Saturn, you can kind of like a poll and a drive to change. But

I internally or externally, like opposing viewpoints on how to go

about that. So you know, you sometimes get people doing weird

stuff around that age. People because it immediately does

coincide too often with the Pluto square, and the Neptune

square. I mean, but just with Uranus, I mean, what do you tend

to think of when you see the Uranus opposite Uranus?

When I think of outer planet transits in general, I

really think of significant generational concerns more than

anything, where outer planets have relevance to a sort of era

in history. You know, Neptune spends 14 years and this sign

Pluto spends between 12 and 31 years in a sign. So they really

mark out particular generations with Uranus may be representing

more the ways in which the generation born under that

Uranus sign breaks away from the previous generation, that's

where you see that, you know, drastic cultural changes and

political changes and changes these deities and yeah, yeah,

exactly. That's where you get that kind of thing. So yeah, I

mean, what you're saying makes a lot of sense to me that on a

personal level, the Uranus opposition would be, you know,

the individuals sort of confronting that. Where, you

know, they are part of a generation that represented a

radical shift away from the previous generations way of

living. And now you're old enough to contend with younger

generations, whose way of living is a radical shift away from

yours. And that can certainly, you know, provoke a lot of soul

searching and self questioning.

You know, something that's just coming to my mind

right now that I haven't given like a ton of thought to but you

do especially nowadays. Nowadays with these, you know, hooligans

running around, you get a lot of kind of displacement to the kind

of current economic environment, there is more of an expectation

that you will change careers, you know, at some point in your

life, you know, industries, kind of, you know, we're not all coal

miners anymore. And you do get people who have been coal

miners, most of their lives upset that maybe like that line

of work is increasingly unavailable, or being just the

side. So there's a time to you like reinvention, themes, like

reinvention, because the world has changed so much in that

time. But I would often tend to think that, you know, the

document always show up is significant for everyone. And

it's not always the first place I look. But I would say the more

tightly you have outer planets configured to planets in your

chart, you know, the more relevant it can they seem to be

in your chart, the more you're going to maybe see

manifestations of that up that show up,

like planets more connected to the personal

planets in your chart, as opposed to the outer planets in

your chart.

Yeah. So I mean, I wouldn't be looking at like,

okay, it's your Venus aspect and personal planets. You know,

there's, there's so much to look at so many layers, but you know,

kind of for the purposes of the question. And because it is

useful, like, trying to zero in on like, what maybe those

transits specifically do, it's interesting, and useful, because

they do something can vary a lot. I think on one level, you

know, you just kind of you sometimes see just an emphasis

on what that planet is doing in the chart already. So like, in

your case, with St. James bath, she did share chart with us. So

he said, Pluto and Libra Neptune in Sagittarius, and Uranus and

Sagittarius. So with your chart, Scorpio rising at about 11

degrees, with Mars in Libra and the 12. The sun in cancer in the

ninth with the moon in cancer also in the ninth. Now Pluto

being in Libra with Mars. And you kind of being in the midst

of the Pluto square. That is maybe where I would put the

emphasis for you personally, in terms to with outer planet

transits while that Neptune square is actually also pretty

tight right now. So where's Neptune at? Right now? Like 20

to 23 degrees.

Yeah, 22.

Yeah. I mean, it's applying and they both move so

slow. They go back and forth, back and forth. So we're, you

know, we're talking about like themes that kind of develop over

a long period of time. But like Pluto square Pluto, you get a

get Pluto themes, right? What are those, you know, you get

obsession. fixations, Pluto tends to exaggerate and distort

and kind of pull things in more extreme directions. And I think

that is, you know, Pluto B comes like a very, very, very useful

generational planet. Because it kind of points to that, that

thing that's just weird and different about, you know, an

age group. Pluto has kind of an eccentric orbit. So the Pluto in

Scorpio generation was maybe the shortest of the Pluto

generations. So, I mean, I will be looking at, you know, what

are things that are really affecting that particular age

group right now? And, you know, to what degree do you fit into

that?

Yeah, and I think of, you know, the Pluto and Libra

generation in particular, sort of, like, between Gen Y and

early millennials. Which, you know, that was people who are

growing up from that generation were part of this transition

from the pre Internet era to the internet era. You know, this is

the generation that first populated MySpace, and I kind of

I love that. The word reckoning is in the question, that's just

such a good reckoning is such a good outer planet transit word.

And so I feel like, you know, this entire generation is, as as

we're getting closer to middle age, we're approaching a sort of

reckoning and that, you know, maybe the cultural or

technological or political events that shaped our

generation, those events are also starting to come to a head

and having a bit of a reckoning, I think social media is

definitely going to be going through a reckoning of its own

that will intensify in the coming years that you know,

where we're really going to be feeling as people who are kind

of there for the beginning of that transition to this new way

of socializing and connecting with each other.

Yeah, and just say, a couple of quick things about

Pluto and Libra in general, that I find interesting, kind of just

as a theme, you know, in the generation, because it's gonna

play out very differently for everyone. Libra has a tendency

to want to kind of bridge and build, you know, find harmony,

you know, it's Venus ruled. It's kind of see, I find that I

personally, and then just my general perspective of that age

group is that they're really cool that they're, there are

usually easy to get along with, you don't really feel like

they're being a Pluto and Scorpio, they seem to be very

open to whatever new was happening. They don't seem to

think that like, their generation is superior or

inferior to anyone elses, that they seem to be a little more

receptive, or a little more just kind of down just kind of cool,

easy to go along with, there's like a kind of a youthfulness to

I just noticed more and more broadly. I kind of feel, you

know, Pluto, tending to, like exaggerate and distort things to

some degree, or just kind of bring out the extremes, you

know, of a sign that where we are kind of now, I don't know,

40 I feel like I've heard a lot of people say that, like, 40 is

the new 30 You can be 40 and still be cool. Which, you know,

wasn't always the case, I feel like that's a more accepted

concept. And I always think Libras are cool, you know,

Libras, like, they know how to, like, they always have their

kind of finger on the pulse of, of whatever it was cool and

given given time. So, I would think that generationally, Pluto

turning to exaggerate, you know, that could be you know, themes

of like, Am I Am I still cool? You know, maybe an

intensification of that desire, maybe a clashing are coming to

realize, you know, being Pluto being in Capricorn, Saturn

ruled, which has the themes of time, and decay, and like the

limitations of time, could be like a, like an existential fear

of aging that could come up. Wanting to hold on to, to the

thing I keep thinking of is that I can still be cool.

Trying to hang on to try to hang on to you. Yeah,

I can still party, you know, which may or may not

be a problem. But maybe for you, specifically, Mars.

Me, you got both malefics present with Pluto in

the 12th house there. Yeah.

And Saturn, you know, being exalted. In the

second favor, it's not as difficult, the more challenging

planet. And I always get this steam with Saturn in the 12th

house. Saturn being in its joy, and doesn't mean that it makes

the 12th House happy. That Saturn, you know that everything

is now great and perfect in the 12th house because Saturn is

there. But it's almost like I don't know, it's like being on a

sinking ship or I was watching diehard the other day, right?

And, you know, the terrorists are not really the terrorist the

robbers they show up in the building, and they, you know,

hold everybody hostage. And you know, they kill the owner of the

company and everything. But you know, who happens to be there,

Bruce? Bucking Willis, he's there to save the day. He knows

what to do. You know, he's an, he's a New York cop. He's not

one of these like, California, LA cops, like, he knows how to

get gritty and dirty or whatever. But Bruce Willis just

happens to be there. And I think kind of think of that, you know,

Saturn being there in the 12 house knows how to save the day

to some degree or how to make the best of those 12 House

experiences which I think tends to lead to potentially more

constructive outcomes, especially being in a day chart

and being in Libra, in its exaltation. Do you have any

thoughts on on 12th House Saturn,

lead to all tariffs? I always have thoughts on the 12th

house. I always have thoughts on Saturn two those are really

those are my main topics. Yeah, I'm just gonna start doing

readings now where it's nothing but I look at your 12th house

Yeah, and I look at your malefics and I look at nothing

else in your chart. I think with Pluto squaring the 12th house

and everything that's in there. I just I can't get over how

appropriate the word reckoning is i that is such, that's really

a word. Yeah, specifically, it's a Pluto word. It's a Saturn word

for sure. Saturn is you know, I mean, it's a bit of a Mars word,

too. And it's definitely a 12th house word. I mean, the 12th

house is the end of things. It is the judgment card. In a tarot

deck, this is where the story ends, and things fall apart to

get ready for the next part of the cycle. So I think when

you've got Pluto, squaring a bunch of planets, you know,

Pluto included in your 12th house, there can be that sense

of an era coming to an end of things dissolving. And sort of

the the consequences of whatever Mars and Saturn have done in

your life in the last several years are sort of being realized

now with Pluto coming in and activating them.

Yeah, I think that just to me mean you using the

word reckoning? Or St. John, it's hard for me to say, hey,

you St. James Beth, but I'm referring to the fact that, you

know, you use the word reckoning in the question, it'd be kind of

clues me and personally and interesting, too, that like you

have a sense of, you know, the consequences may be catching up.

And that having, you know, kind of a 12th house theme. mean 12th

house can be kinda like we're, you know, we tend to get

ourselves into trouble a little bit.

With the first house also stuff we neglect.

Yeah, the, you know, you didn't take care of,

and, you know, having your first house ruler there. Definitely

not always, you know, it's not the end of the world. Just kind

of clues you in, though, that one of the things that maybe you

have to be careful about is doing stuff that's gonna get you

into trouble, right. And I, in this case, don't hate that, that

Mars, you know, in Libra is with Saturn. You know, we don't

always like to see Mars and Saturn together. But Mars can

have a bit of a hard time. In Libra. It's a little, you know,

more socially focused and it wants to be, which, you know,

can be a good thing. But Libra Saturn being there, it's not the

ruler, but it is, you know, the exaltation. It can offer Saturn

and Mars some guidance, maybe guidance that Mars doesn't like,

you know, that restraining quality of Saturn might be, you

know, overall good for Mars. For you. While you know, maybe not

altogether enjoyable. And kind of the Pluto square and Pluto

being with those planets could feel like maybe things that

you've done in the past, maybe your lifestyle is needing to,

like an intense realization or awareness of, of these things

that need to change.

And the things that need to be let go of, yeah,

where they go is such a big 12 House theme. Letting go of the

past of recognizing things that don't work anymore, or that

perhaps never did work. And just throwing them out?

Yeah. Yeah, and I think that that is maybe why

Saturn does so well. Part of the reason that Saturn does so well

in the 12th house, or you know, has its joy there. Again, not

making things happy, but it consort, this is you know,

something I don't need this something I do can kind of sort

through the things that you do need to let go and to think of

like the Fallout series of video games. The idea of like,

rebuilding after the apocalypse. Oh, yeah, that's great stuff

like Saturn in the 12. Like, to some degree, it's gonna be

what's still standing but you know, also like knowing what to

do with things that are still standing and being able to

rebuild in the rubble. I would think Neopets could be a time

where those things are becoming irrelevant. Can hard to say

without specifics. But generally, yeah, I'm in Neptune

to generally with like the Neptune square, which often

comes same time as the Pluto square, right around the same

time, same kind of decade span, should be a little closer to

Neptune is associated with kind of the popular imagination,

collective ideals and illusions, delusions, in some cases, more

negatively. And I don't think in your case you know you're going

to get that Uranus opposition at the same time because of Uranus

is that like one degrees Sagittarius so that's not going

to come for what another seven or eight years when Uranus gets

into Gemini, but when those two are kind of paired, you know,

it's like I want to do something really different. You do get

stories of people in their middle like that that midlife

crisis doing something rash is maybe not super well thought

out. Maybe getting the idea that they can do something that they

can't you know, that Neptune confusion like buying buying a

red, you know, sports car that they can't afford because they

want to feel young again.

Yeah, the Uranus opposite Uranus transit will

start for St. James bath in 2025. And that will also be

Uranus opposite Neptune, but Neptune is at 25 degrees of

Sagittarius in their chart. So that would be quite a while

yeah, and you know, especially with Uranus being so

early in the sign of Sagittarius like the Pluto square, being a

little more traditionally oriented interest, and I tend to

look at sign based aspect, not as much with outer planets. But

it's like once Pluto got into Capricorn, the Pluto square

started to cook, you know, it started to to get some traction,

and you know, it's moving slowly, you know, manifesting

and things over, over the last, you know, decade or so, that may

be starting to manifest you're having a reckoning with but I do

have a good example chart to dig into a little bit to give an

example of you know, what these kinds of outer planet transits

can can look like. So, you know, I was looking for a chart that

had at least one but only a couple, ideally all three but

that's might be asking for a lot of those outer planets being

very prominently placed. And what it did find was Michael

fast benders birth chart. He has a Sagittarius rising with

Neptune pretty closely on the ascendant, like within two or

three degrees, and Pluto in Libra, right on his midheaven.

Like exactly, which I feel like just fits on its own so well

with just Michael Fassbender, who he is and what he's known

for. One of the things I always noticed about Michael Fassbender

is that like he can be anybody. It's like a chameleon, you know,

he could play anybody. And I often didn't even know that it

was Michael Fassbender playing that character until later. I

was like, Wait, that's Michael Fassbender, you know, doesn't

look like Michael Fassbender, though. Oh, no, I see. You know,

like that Neptune kind of chameleon?

Yeah, it was I was startled to see him cast as Carl

Jung in a dangerous method. And then you see him any, like, as

an amazing performance. Yeah, but just looking at him. He

would not be the first person I would think, to pick to cast for

that role.

And then put on his MC even just like shows up and

just like his titles of the movies. He's in like a dangerous

method. You know, like,

Oh, they're all blood and danger and the red. Hunger

and shame. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Do you gained the dairy Pluto. And what is

interesting about Michael Fassbender and his career, and

Pluto, the Pluto square. Which, you know, Pluto has been in

Capricorn since what? 2008? Yep. And, you know, it's going to

gain in strength and what it's doing kind of closer that square

gets in because it's so it's, you know, not only is it right

on his MC, his son is an Aries on the icy. So Pluto is like,

very, it's opposing, you know, his son. So I mean, it's, you

know, Pluto has a lot of influence, and I'm on him

personally. And you often see that with people who you know,

embody a lot of the qualities of their generation believe Kurt

Cobain had Pluto on his ascendant and opposing his son

in the seventh, Pisces Virgo. And he became a grunge icon, the

themes of that age group in that generation, you know, were

prominent for him, with them out. But anyway, and notice kind

of just looking at like the roles that he chose, and just

his overall career The closer that that Pluto squared got to

going exact, which I believe was like around 2013. It's like, it

almost becomes less important, you know when exactly that

happens with like Pluto or Neptune and Uranus because they

go back and forth over the same point so much. You know, his

roles got really intense, and really, really dark. More, more

and more. So there's also kind of like extremes.

Yeah. Yeah, like, it really starts in 2008. Yeah,

Pluto goes into Capricorn. And he plays the protagonist in

hunger. Yeah, this is a very, very dark, heavy movie.

And he was even like, he was willing to go to

extremes for that role, like he was when did he lose? Like? I

don't know, he went down to like a 600 calorie per day diet, just

for the role. You know, like, how devoted he was to do you

know, capturing that character. But that's pretty intense.

That's, you know, that's a it's, I mean, that's what he brings to

his roles in general. It's also like, what he's known for, and

then MC. And then I think, you know, it kind of culminated. I

mean, his career really picked up though to when to say like,

that was, oh, yeah, that's when I feel like I saw Michael

Fassbender was in everything good, or that Michael Fassbender

was in it. That meant like, Oh, this is gonna be interesting.

I feel like it was after Inglorious Basterds for

me, which was 2009. So a year into judo and Capricorn. That

was when he really came up on my radar. And I started noticing

him in all kinds of movies. And then, you know, he was in

Prometheus and 2012. He was on my radar, and he was in the X

Men movies. Yeah, it was really that mids you know, between 2010

and 2017. He was like, really on my radar.

Also interesting. Michael Fassbender, you know, he

has a Neptune on his ascendant. And that Neptune square started

to go exact, say around, kind of like the mean, years of that,

like 2015 2016, pretty tight by 2017. And in 2016, as Neptune

was transiting his fourth house, he started to pursue a childhood

dream of his just to be racecar driver, auto racer, which, you

know, a lot of cases for me for most people, like I'm 40 or so,

and I want to be a racecar driver, maybe not realistic for

most people do a little fantastic, a little idealistic.

But for Michael Fassbender, you know, somebody who maybe has a

little more agency to do that, or the resources that you would

require, but um, doesn't 16 He started training and then in

2017, he did his first race, Sagittarius kind of larger than

life experiences and kind of fast movement. You know, I want

to be a racecar driver seems very Sagittarius to me.

I'm just a scrolling through his filmography and in

2016, sort of as that your Neptune Square was peaking, he

played in this movie called The Light Between Oceans, a

description of which is it's a it's a romance and a drama and

the description is a lighthouse keeper and his wife living off

the coast of Western Australia raise a baby they rescue from a

drifting rowing boat. And like the poster for the movie is just

like this couple standing in the ocean. It's very Neptune.

Neptune in Pisces even

like the Neptune square came along and he was

like, I guess I'll take a little bit of a break from all these

very Pluto roles and you know, act in a romantic drama where

there's all this like soft lighting. Did water

I don't know what is the upcoming what kind of

roles do you have coming up?

Well, he's got one coming up in a comedy, but he's

also got one coming up in like a, you know, a movie that's

based off of a graphic novel about a serial killer, which is

a more Pluto on the midheaven typical of Michael Fassbender

kind of role for sure, but

I feel like I don't know. I think his roles are

gonna be really I'm gonna be really fascinating to watch you

know when Pluto gets into like Aquarius and Neptune and gets

into Aries you know, start to see him like embodying versions

of those two planets, you know? Yeah, you know I do a more of a

Pluto and Aquarius kind of role as opposed to like a I mean, it

is another Saturn rule Pluto, but I can't even think we've

been going too long for me to to imagine what what that might be

like. But I love the what was like the rescue BD from from the

ocean.

About me to find it again. It was supporting space

between oceans or something's bass BETWEEN OCEANS 26 The Light

Between Oceans between oceans. The most Neptunian title I've

ever heard.

voices saying you've been like you get a baby.

fourth house? I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, it's a it's about starting a family

during you know. Yeah. fourth house transit. Anyway, so I

guess what we're saying here is that if St. James bath is an

actor attention to the roles they're getting during the

history my might find some changes in the calls they're

getting from their agent.

I mean, that's the thing is like, he's like, he's

such a personal, so private, you know, that he used to say what,

it's really how it might be affecting him personally. But,

you know, you are gonna see, like more obvious, maybe more

obvious manifestations with people who, you know, are

embodying those planets, you know, a little more tangible

tangibly, you know, like they have them on an angle. But yeah.

Let's you have any more thoughts on that one? Tristan?

Nope, I'm, I'm starting to fade.

Yeah, my brain is also no more. No more words.

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