Join Allison DuBois and Joe as they delve into the heartwarming and mystical realm of Christmas miracles and the connections we maintain with our loved ones who have passed. The episode features inspiring stories from listeners, highlighting the profound ways that spirits continue to engage with the living during the holiday season. Allison addresses a listener's poignant question about the nature of the afterlife and explains why spirits remain present in our lives, emphasizing their desire to support and uplift us. The discussion also touches on the intersection of science and spirituality, revealing how both perspectives can coexist and validate one another. Tune in for an exploration of how the dead enrich our lives with humor and love, reminding us that they are never truly gone.

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Welcome to the Dead Life.

Here's world renowned medium Allison Dubois.

On today's episode of the Dead Life, we'll be hearing from listeners who have inspiring Christmas stories to share with us all.

Since December is that time of year that we have a little more family time and merriment sprinkled with Christmas miracles, it seems only right that this month my episodes should reflect that sentiment.

We'll also be hearing from a listener who has questions about whether or not Joe's scientific world and my spiritual world are in sync or collide.

This one's a little more grinchy.

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Well, Joe, thank you once again for coming in.

It's so nice in December.

I can be a little bit more, you know, in house and I don't, I don't have to have strangers as my guests.

I can have my husband.

Right?

And you.

And you bake those wonderful cookies and the house smells like cranberry chocolate chip.

Well, you're a lucky man.

What can I say?

I love the cookies, but I also love how you worked in the word grinchy.

It wouldn't be Christmas without a little.

That I know.

So it's just, it's.

And I'm sure that all people of science minds are very nice, but when we talk about things that are more magical and Christmas miracles on a spiritual level, you guys sound a little grinchy.

So who are we starting with?

Oh, okay.

So, yes, we're going to start off with a question.

You know, we're going to save the.

We have a few of those stories that people called in with that were like, Christmas, like, really, really Christmassy.

They're really special.

We listen to them.

So we're going to save those till the end.

We're going to start off, we get some of these other ones out of the way first.

Yes, we want to give you a nice bedtime story.

So we'll save those for the end and start off with the more difficult questions.

Hi, Allison, I have a few questions about the afterlife.

After listening to you for a long time on your show, you say that our loved Ones are constantly around us and that they want us to know that, quote, we are their heaven.

So to me, hanging around and watching the living does not seem very heaven.

Like, we have so many problems here on earth.

If the dead have to watch us endure all our problems and try to help us with these problems, how is that much of a heaven?

Okay, so I've actually talked about this in my books, but, I mean, I'm happy to answer this as a refresh for everyone.

Now, if a dead person, a spirit, somebody who is the best version of themselves after a lifetime lived, the essence that's left is basically on spiritual steroids.

It sees everything.

It feels in high definition, what life is, the ripple effects of the mistakes they made, the people they hurt, if any.

And the good stuff is sort of highlighted for them and celebrated energetically.

And what I mean by that is they get to walk through it as if it's happening for the first time all over again as a sort of well done.

Your energy was on a high frequency in the living world.

Congratulations.

Now she has a valid point.

You know, sounds a lot of people watch the news, turn it off.

Because it's important to be informed.

Yes, true, but, you know, shows like the View and stuff, I'm just saying, Grinches, like, who wants to hear it?

A lot of things ratchet up the stress level.

And it does to step back.

But she's also.

She's also measuring spiritual experiences that these souls have had in the physical world by physical world, living people's thought process.

And we're not as enlightened as we are when we cross.

So you can't really, from her perspective, maybe you would see only the negative in the world.

And they're not here to watch the news with you or to wait to watch daytime television.

They're here to see the chaos of you with your toddlers in the backseat of the car.

And they're recognizing how beautiful a moment that is.

Because children grow up and they don't need us as much anymore.

We don't get the hugs and, you know, savor these moments.

The chaos is the beauty.

They teach us these lessons that they learned, and that's what they stick around for.

Telling their grown daughter to take a break and to be good to herself and to take time to cross some things off of her bucket list while she's living and not work so hard.

Because in the end, although there are some spirits, they'll say they go to work with their son or their daughter because they were maybe a hard worker or workaholic themselves.

They go because of their son or daughter, you know, to help them and also to teach them lessons.

Whisper in their ear.

And I kind of.

I thought about that.

If you think about when we went to all those recitals with our children were young, the stress involved with the.

Oh, I know.

Losing a glove that, you know, you need two gloves when you perform and things like that, or a hat or a belt that has the costume, all that stress.

And you think, why would they want to relive that stress?

No, no, no.

It's the next moment when the parents are crying because their little, you know, their little angel is performing and they're just so proud.

Disneyland in a parade and she's shining.

You know, that's the moment.

Or the parent saves the day and steals another kid's.

I'm kidding.

When the parent saves the day and finds that other glove or that toy hat that they need to perform in.

Right, right.

And the child feels loved.

Those moments.

And those.

Those stories might sound awfully specific because they happened.

Yeah, they happened to us.

We had a couple of dancers.

But absolutely, there's the struggle, but then there's the reward, and that's what you get.

I mean, you can't have the reward without the struggle.

Right.

The things that we see as ugly in this world are truly ugly.

Oh, yeah.

So there's no mistaking that.

It's what helps.

Gives us.

Give us some contrast of what.

What we have to spend our days, weeks and months doing.

You can spend 12 hours a day watching the news, seeing how horrible everything is, which it was 40 years ago.

When people were watching the news, they were saying the same thing.

You know, gas prices are high, inflation.

And yeah, it is terrible.

It's terrible.

But that's not what we're here to learn.

We're here to learn the soul level lessons, including when you have that last $20 and you give two of those dollars to somebody who didn't have anything to eat that day, and you share that moment that becomes a part of you and you sort of become a part of the person that you helped.

It's an energy thing.

And even.

Even you watch TV shows like the Waltons.

It happened during the Depression.

It was terrible times.

That's what the show set in.

But that's.

I mean, you watch it, you'd watch every episode.

Because I had never seen it, and I watched it in Covid and I looked forward to it every day.

Right.

And it wasn't.

I mean, were you reliving their struggles?

Well, a little bit, but they're, they're.

You know, they made it through those struggles.

Yeah.

And it brought them closer.

They knew what it felt like to not have a lot of clothes or a lot of food and to have strife.

And sometimes we need to have that.

And I think in this time, it's really weird because you see the younger generations and their credit cards, and we already.

Come on, we already learned that lesson with Gen X.

Don't go down that path and max them out.

Living beyond your means, you know, it's.

It's the lessons you're learning spiritually.

But if people don't have strife because they're not experiencing it yet, because they're floating on credit, they're not really going to experience it quite at the point that they're at.

So it just depends on where every individual is in the moment.

But an answer to her question.

They're not here to witness the bad stuff.

They're here to focus on the person they love and intervene if they need to on your behalf, if it's in their power to do so, to either save you, guide you, inspire you, lift you up when you need it, give you their energy.

They're here for us.

But they do enjoy watching the chaos of life.

And by chaos, I don't mean the ugly part of life.

I mean the beauty in the moments that we don't see it when they're happening, but later when we die, we recognize that those were.

That's what it was all about.

And it was so special.

And it doesn't get better than that.

All those birthday parties we planned and executed and the cakes and worrying about everything going just right.

And what if one of their friends doesn't show up?

And are they going to be happy?

When you're on the other side, the stress isn't there.

You're just reliving that day, you know, with the child and feeling how loved they felt because you had that party for them.

And so at the time, in this physical world, we do get bogged down in things that are unimportant in the end.

So the.

The spirits that have passed aren't on that level.

They're above that.

So when they're visiting us, they're.

They're emotionally tied to us, not intellect tied to us, which would be more of what she's thinking with the ugliness that she speaks of.

For instance, you know, whatever anybody's position on anything is, you know, we're in sort of a.

Sort of a.

You know, recession right now.

I mean, money's been a lot tighter for everybody and it's a hard time and you must feel for everyone.

But these spirits are seeing it on an individual level.

You know, the person that they're there to help on, that person.

They don't try and look at the bigger picture of the totality of everybody and the population on earth.

You know, peace on earth is a nice thought.

It hasn't happened not in a long time.

So, you know, be in the now.

Live in your day, in your days, in minutes.

Even last week I had, you know, I work, I do a lot of readings.

I deal with a lot of death.

So what I did for my lunch break is I made cranberry chocolate chip cookies.

I watched the Grinch and Elf.

I made some hot chocolate with a double shot of whipped cream and I enjoyed myself by myself.

And you know what?

It was wonderful.

And I lived in that Christmas moment and banked it in my moments of heaven that I just happened to decide I wanted to create one on that day and I did.

So it's a lot of it's in our power to do so.

And it's about rising above what is the totality of darkness or greed in the world.

And it has more to do with an individual moment of bliss.

So take your moments of bliss and the dead will enjoy those with you.

Okay, well said, well said.

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All right, so we're going to move on to Bridget from Georgia.

And this is the science question.

Okay, Big question.

I want to prepare everybody, but I also want to ask you.

So you're going to be my guardrails if I start getting too scientific.

Triple air sign?

You bet.

I will wrangle you.

Wrangle me right in.

I will.

All right, here we go.

Hey, guys, this is Bridget from Georgia.

I have a question for both of you.

I'm a teacher in high school and I have taught science, I've taught literature.

And I'm wondering, since Joe has a science background and a physics knowledge of physics, I'm curious to know if his education and what he has learned conflicts or actually reinforces what you, Allison, believe spiritually.

Like, do y'all ever butt heads on what's possible and not possible based on the laws of energy?

Or do Yalls beliefs instead validate each other?

Thanks, guys.

I'll let you start.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Well, it's.

It is a really, really big question.

One of the biggest questions really, when you first.

To answer part of her question.

No, we don't butt heads.

We've.

We've actually all.

We've.

Through the years we've been together, there's always been agreement on what you did.

I was super curious when it first happened.

Like, what is it that you actually do?

You are very open minded and.

But I was open minded, as I think.

And I think a lot of it comes.

I think people misunderstand what science is and misunderstand what spirituality is.

And so what they don't know, they'll make up.

And so they say, well, a scientist couldn't possibly believe in spirituality because it's not an energy.

And it's like, well, but you can actually.

Spirituality is an energy.

Souls are energy.

Well, you refer to it as energy often and you'll refer to it as frequency.

But it's not one that we've been able to measure so much with an instrument, but you measure it with.

You feel it that way.

And that's the best words we use to describe it.

There's been plenty of.

You've taken plenty of tests at universities and you've scored very, very high.

I was going to say they studied me for four years and they.

It was undeniable.

Oh, sure.

But take our brain waves.

Take like when I was pregnant, I would faint and they gave me an MRI and I had epileptic pulses like in my brain.

But I don't have epilepsy.

And the chief neurosurgeon didn't Know what to say.

Right.

He said, if it doesn't go away after the baby's born, come back.

But I've run every test on you, and you're perfectly healthy.

So I think.

I think souls may be beyond measurement.

And I think that people look at scientists as people who should have all the answers, but that's too much to put on humans to expect them to have all the answers.

Right.

Well, and the good scientists that I know, they know what they know and they know what they don't know.

And that's why they don't ever weigh in on spirituality, because they're physicists, they know about physics, and that's what they know about.

But I think it goes.

The question in science that they haven't answered is, what is consciousness?

What is free will?

Because they had to kind of make a bargain with the church when science started that they will only deal with what's called deterministic things.

So things that, you know, a plus B equals C, there's no choice in there.

And then the church carries all the things have to do with choices, free will.

And science seems to have tried to take over the church, though.

Well, and I think it's natural.

Some people have replaced the church with science and they treat it like a church, but it's not.

It's not.

It's not.

But that the whole.

The whole question of free will, I mean, we, we and some.

Can I.

Can I ask you a question about physics?

Because she was talking about that this would.

Energy cannot be destroyed.

Right.

Nor created.

Right.

But it can be transformed.

So that's actually out of the laws of physics.

So if our body dies and that energy source, that is us, our personality, our experiences, all of that can't be destroyed.

Okay, here's something that'll blow your mind.

Oh, I can't wait.

I was just reading an article, and they.

There are cases where people, either through illness or surgery or accidents, lose a good portion of their brain, like 75% of it.

And they still have their personality.

They're.

They're basically fine.

Well, clearly your brain is not your soul.

Right.

But then some people are going to say some people get brain damage and it changes their personality.

But that doesn't, you know, I mean, that's hard.

Well, it does.

And things can change your personality and chemical.

You can have chemical imbalances that change your personality and all kinds of things.

Right.

All it is, is it's a big mystery.

We don't know the connection of the soul and the.

And even the idea of a Soul and a body being separate is.

Okay.

I went through test after test after test with scientists where they put, they eliminated every option, every argument that could be made for what I was.

And in the end the last two theories standing were the super psi theory and that I was just talking to the dead.

Which is the most plausible, it's the most obvious is usually the answer.

So it's called Oxum's razor.

It's another science.

Oh, fantastic.

Very sexy.

So anyways, anyways.

So when the super psi theory is that there are pockets of energy out there that I'm just tapping into and reading.

Okay, that would be kind of amazing.

Anyways, Right, right.

We already down to the two choices you.

Right.

We already eliminated whether or not I was inferring anything by looking at the person, whether they're wearing a ring, blah blah blah, because they're on the phone.

So I don't know who this person is.

And so they'd record those, those tests and then publish them in academic journals.

Check my information.

You did a test where you read for a person but you didn't get to talk to them directly.

There's a person in the middle, right?

I mean, yeah, they took care of all these things.

So you're either psychic or you're medium.

I'm both.

No, I know, but what I meant is they couldn't, they couldn't scientifically decide which one it was.

Well, they had to eliminate that.

I was just reading people's minds.

It's like, do you hear what you're saying?

You're scientists and Aaron thinks you're great and I might just be reading people's minds.

That's kind of amazing.

But we were able to eliminate that theory because the person that I read had to validate some of the information that the dead gave me because they didn't have the answer.

And they were able to validate that what the dead told me was true.

So we eliminated every theory left standing with 2.

Science has tried to measure it and I think a wise scientist will admit they don't have all the answers.

It's the ones with a science background that think that.

And they have a bit of a God complex that think that spiritualists are somehow dumber than them or less than them because we're of spiritual nature.

And actually on many levels we're stronger and more evolved than they are because we're not as short sighted.

We're open to the fact that we don't have all the answers.

We only know our own experiences that we can share and we do.

But there are a lot of scientists out there that really are people that don't believe in life after death.

And I'm fine with that.

Just don't push your beliefs on me.

I'm not trying to put mine on you.

Right.

And those.

Their opinions in that are just that, their beliefs, because they're often based.

Well, first off, they're deciding what they think you do, which is usually different than what you actually do.

Right.

And then the other thing is they usually suffer from something where, like ego, their parents didn't love them or something that.

Yeah, that's a big one.

They weren't held as children.

And so you've got to find a healthy mind, which I think is why people want to hear it from you.

Because anybody with any ability whatsoever that hears your voice and hears you talking knows you're a good guy, you know, and you just give it straight.

And I'd like to also say to the academics, I too graduated from college and some of the dumbest people I've ever met have college degrees.

So don't assume because they've got some credentials out there that they have all the answers.

And think for yourself.

Be a free thinker, people.

Yeah.

So as far as Bridget, our high school teacher, goes, I guess the answer is, I believe there's an entanglement theory that eventually will lead to explaining or at least bringing us to the same place that what you're trying to measure and what our energy experiences are will coincide somehow.

Yeah.

And they're finding more and more the smaller and smaller scale, like smaller than atoms.

When you get down in that range, things act very strange and probably closer to emotional than they do physical.

And perhaps we'll see it there.

The other one is in chaos theory, it's a maths theory that just.

That very small effects can lead to very big effects.

Like the butterfly effect.

That's exactly the best way to put it.

Our personality could be a series of those little effects.

So that.

Yes, if the body's not there, it doesn't mean those effects have stopped.

Right.

They're still vibrating in the universe and it's a matter of collecting them up.

How many hospice nurses have we talked to that are there at the moment of passing and they actually see something leave the body?

There's an essence anyways.

I would love to try to learn, to try to explain that maybe that would turn into a degree of some sort.

I think that would be a fantastic thesis.

But suffice it to say Alison has been tested and there's no doubt what she's doing is real.

So whether we have a theory of how it works, it doesn't matter.

We know it's real.

Yeah.

I mean, once you've seen it over and over again for my lifetime, I only have my own reference to go by, but I've also seen other people who are mediums do it that are really great at it as well.

And I've seen children do it.

I just think it's the most human thing.

And to not.

For me it's such.

It's a further leap to not believe in life after death.

To me, that's just insane to not believe in life after death.

So it's perspective.

But I hope on some level we answered Bridget's question.

Let's go on to the merriment.

Yay.

Now for Ellen.

Hi Allison, it's Ellen Snelling.

I saw you recently in Chicago.

I have a great holiday story.

My brother John and I played ping pong incessantly as children.

So for Christmas, I bought my 12 year old son a ping pong table.

When I went to pick up the ping pong table which I ordered on Ryan ship to store, I was told twice that it was paid for.

It was over $300 and I didn't have to pay for it.

In my head I said asking twice as in ceiling.

Right away I knew it was Jen.

My brother in law and my nephew assembled a ping pong table in my basement.

And they had to hold it up lengthways and raised a ceiling tile to clear it.

And a ping pong ball fell out of the ceiling tile.

There was about 15 ceiling tiles in that room.

Again, I knew it was my brother John.

About a week later, my kids who were 12 and 14 at the time, were playing ping pong.

They heard someone who they thought was me come down the basement stairs and they saw a figure walk by which they thought was me.

And they said hello to me, but I was upstairs in the kitchen.

When they realized that I was upstairs in the kitchen, they freaked out and they ran up the stairs like three at a time.

For years after that, they wouldn't go to the basement by themselves.

They would always have to have the other one go with them.

So that is my beautiful ping pong table store.

I will have that ping pong table forever.

And my brother John has lived in my home since I moved here.

Hope to talk to you again.

Have a great holiday Bye.

Bye.

Thank you, Ellen, for sharing that completely moving and electric story.

I love it.

Yeah, that's a great story.

Uncle John found a way to give his nephews or nieces and nephews what, whatever it shall be, a Christmas present or a gift of some sort.

I think that's really special, what he.

Enjoyed as a, as a kid.

So, of course.

And then the ping pong ball falling out of the ceiling.

Well, and Ellen, if she was going through all of that emotional dread, going through a divorce after 30 years, maybe he was trying to keep the kids busy so they'd leave her alone.

Right.

So that she could heal.

And.

Yeah, the beginning of that story after we, you know, we've been promoting this great Christmas story.

And I mean, she went through.

She went through hell.

And it was like, are you sure?

It's a great story, but.

No, it's a great story.

Her brother came through for her.

Yeah.

And these are the stories we love to hear.

So if any of you have your own story, you know, definitely call in and share it.

Tis the season.

Oh, I know.

And that's 802d e a D811.

If you want to call in with your story.

Go ahead.

The.

Them running up the steps three at a time reminds me of when our daughter was filming with her friend.

And the door to the bathroom, which was in.

In the view of the camera, closed.

Yeah.

Unfortunately, there was nobody in the bathroom.

Right.

Yeah.

That was amazing.

And it scared the hell out of her.

And I heard two girls come down this.

Running down the stairs, scream at the top of their lungs and they're like, go in there.

I'm like, what do you think the ghost is going to do to me?

Like, I'm pretty safe.

It's all right.

Let me go have a chat and I'll let you know what's up.

So her.

Her brother Uncle John is in the house and with her.

I think people might have questions.

One, how can I invite my brother to be in the house?

And two, like, if I move, does he move with me or does he stay in the house?

Like, people worry about that.

If they move, will that person not go with them?

And I often have the deceased come through and say, you need to move.

Especially when it's a spouse that passed or a child that died of fentanyl overdose or suicide, they feel like the mother, sort of the room that's enshrined to the deceased is acting as a cancer to their mother and eating away at her.

Now, some parents, it actually helps them through it and that's for each individual to decide what works for them.

But I do have a lot of deceased husbands or wives coming through saying, you've got to move.

You've got to start the next chapter.

I'll go with you.

You know, you're moving towards me.

I'm moving towards that day with you.

I'm not going to leave your life.

But you can't stay in the energy of this house anymore because it's all a death energy, or everything reminds you of that person and you need something fresh so your brain can function and on different levels without only suffering and grieving constantly, you know, so, yeah, that's you.

You've said before that when people ask you about a haunted house and you say, well, every house is haunted because you see.

I mean, you see spirits everywhere.

They're connected to us, usually not the house.

So we're haunted people then, aren't we?

Right.

But you do seem to like sometimes it's ours, but it's usually the people.

We live in the desert, and I think you kind of like the desert because it's a little less crowded.

Yeah, well, I.

Now it's more crowded.

Oh, my gosh.

Don't even get me started.

Everybody go home.

Go home.

No.

So let's go to the next caller.

Hi, Allison.

He loved Christmas and the day that he passed away, and we were waiting for his body to be taken.

I pulled one of his socks off of his foot because I just wanted to keep something that belonged to him.

Two months after he passed away, I had a visitation from him in a dream.

And we were coming back from a concert, and he was sitting in his hotel room.

And as I was walking by, I saw him and I said, caleb, what are you doing?

He says, oh, nothing.

And he had a box in his hand, and he hid it behind his back.

I said, let me see it.

He goes, oh, no, you wouldn't be interested in that.

I said, yes, I would.

Let me see it.

And so I grabbed the box from him, and when I opened the lid, there was one sock in there.

And he was telling me that the beings on that side knew how much he loved Christmas and gave him that gad gift of one sock.

So the people on the other side, the spirits on the other side, have a sense of humor.

Thanks.

Bye.

They do.

Yeah.

No, that's a great.

Actually, they have more of a sense of humor.

Than the living.

That's why I like the dead so much.

And she was so detailed.

You could tell it was a visit.

And that was a visit.

It was like, Dee, thank you for sharing that with us.

That story.

I know it's got to make a few people out there laugh and be able to relate on a sibling level.

Of course, your brother came through, you know, giving you a hard time saying, I know you took my sock, you know, so I think that's great.

And they do do that.

They do still try and play with us emotionally or I've had brothers say, yeah, I've got this thing figured out now and I'm.

I'm pretty good at haunting.

And they seem proud of that.

They're like, yeah, I get, I get my nephew all the time.

Like, I'm teasing him all the time.

I move his keys, you know, things like that.

So they do.

The jokesters are still jokesters.

The romantic ones are still very romantic.

Although I have noticed that some people that pass then become very romantic because they didn't convey it verbally.

They communicate it to the partner and then they died and they feel like they need to say all those things they didn't know how to communicate in the living world.

So kind of amazing.

I love that story though.

A sock.

I mean, of course, I just, I love getting these stories because like you said, hers is so specific and detailed and if somebody was going to make up a story, it's not going to be about a sock.

These are real people sharing their real life, the real love and the real loss.

And I think it's really beautiful that I have so many in Touch listeners out there that are willing to share their stories with us at Christmas time.

So I really appreciate that.

Dee, that was great.

So what did you think about everything that you heard?

This is.

We've showed the science minded and then we've shown the ones that absolutely know on a spiritual level it to be true.

Who seems happier?

Dee seem pretty happy, right?

Yeah, she gets it.

Absolutely.

And it's people living their lives.

Yes, I.

And including the dead in their lives.

And I don't mean dead in the terms of, you know, when people say dead, it's.

It sort of sits wrong with you because at least with me, because they're more alive than we are.

And they always tell me that they're like, you're the dead ones.

We're more alive than you are.

You guys don't even get it.

Like you're there living it.

You don't get it.

We're the dead ones.

So when I.

The people who have dropped their bodies and are.

And our soul brothers and sisters out there, they know what's up.

They know what's up.

And they.

Well, it can.

Okay.

And they're trying to bring focus and clarity to our lives, and they're trying to let us know that we're not alone, even when we feel alone.

That.

And to let them in and let them be part of our life.

They're waiting for us to what to say, I want you to be part of my life still, please stick around, you know, or come by from time to time.

I know you're there.

And the more that you acknowledge them, the more they visit you.

And, you know, we had the caller earlier, which was actually a really good question for her to ask, asking why they would want to be here.

Because they love us so much.

That's why.

Even with all of our complaints in our physical world and our lives, and we're like, I got a divorce and, you know, my kids going through this issue with drugs or, you know, I can't pay my bills, they still want to be with us in those moments because they're trying to help us evolve through it all.

And in the end, we're going to recognize that the money didn't matter, that although it makes our physical world more comfortable for us, that that's not the point of us being here.

And people that are worried about, you know, showing on Instagram, you know, that they're thinner or richer than everybody else and they've got, like, 30 filters on their face, they're missing the point of why we're here.

You know, you're not going to have an epitaph when you die that said, here lies the most filtered woman in the world.

Or, you know, but she looked great.

It's just we get caught up in the minutiae.

Even technology, I think, as convenient as it is and easy, and I'm guilty of it, it makes our lives easier.

It's actually dumbing down our souls.

We have to find a balance.

And technology, there's no, we can't not use it now that we have it, but we can be in moderation.

Maybe, but it's gotten a little out of control, in my opinion.

No, it has.

No.

But I'm just saying we can be thoughtful and live a life where we are.

Think of how that would have changed things when we were kids or going back.

So say we'll take Forrest Gump.

So he's sitting on the park bench talking to the little old lady, and he's telling her outlandish stories that actually ended up being true.

And if she had technology, she wouldn't be sitting on that park bench.

She would have ordered a lift.

It would have picked her up.

That conversation never took place.

I'm just saying, in the grand scheme of life, think about how many experiences you don't have because you're buried in a screen.

Well, yeah, but we also, with the technology, we can stay in touch with people that we otherwise wouldn't have.

And maybe we.

Okay, but if we otherwise wouldn't have.

That's what I'm saying.

If you wouldn't make an effort, then what?

We're just lazy, and it makes it easier now to do it.

So they're worth that.

I mean, I think we're going through as a whole society.

We're learning and evolving, so we'll find the place where we can have technology and still have those personal relationships.

We just need to figure it out.

And.

Yeah.

Anything new, There's a period of adjustment.

Yeah, yeah, I hear what you're saying.

And for people with those really little kids, get them off those iPads, give them a balloon, let them play, do something with them.

Their brain matter's not developing.

That's a problem.

Cardboard box.

Oh, yeah.

A little break dancing in high school.

Oh, I did that.

Oh, you mean playing the cardboard.

I was always like, challenge accepted.

I think I could do it.

A big box of crayons.

I mean, those.

Yeah.

Hula hoop.

A hula hoop.

A little kid can play with a hula hoop for hours.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of, like, tools like hammers and things where they can take stuff apart and learn how they work.

Yeah.

Well, you're pretty.

You're excellent.

So, I mean, that's that.

I was more of the spatter art, where you turn it on.

Spin art.

That's spin art.

And you turn it on in the yard, and your mom's like, take it outside.

You're gonna get it all over.

What a crazy idea.

We're gonna dump paint and spin it.

Real fast, and you'll make a pretty picture that your mom's gonna put on the fridge.

But how special is that?

I still bring through people who talk about they loved their granddaughter that was like a daughter to them and that they used to put her art on their refrigerator, and it was like wall to wall art.

Does anybody do that anymore?

Well, can you put.

If you draw it on the computer, I guess.

I don't know.

Anyways, if you, if you want to weigh in on that, please feel free and call the 802-D E A D811.

In my opinion, technology definitely is diminishing souls just because people are spending a lot less time connecting with other people and relating to them in real life rather than through the screen or just scrolling.

And so if you're gonna be in a technology based career like my husband is and he finds a balance that he absolutely lives the rest of the time when he's not at ASU working and.

Or he's not in the office here, we try and make time for him to.

He had a poker night with the guys last week.

Come on.

Yeah, that was fun, right?

So just live a little, people.

Live a little.

That's the answer.

Then play more cards.

Because you got.

You got to look at people and you get the relationship and you.

Yeah, you got to read their vibe.

You got to read the vibe to see if it's a poker face or not, like, if they have a good one.

So, Joe, thank you for being the yin to my yang.

And thank you to my listeners for tuning in every Tuesday.

I'm Allison Dubois, and this is the Dead Life.

To all of my believers out there, don't stop believing.

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