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113: Theresa Bullard - New Adventures in Physics: From PhD in Neutrinos To Modern Mystery School
Episode 113 • 23rd January 2025 • The Quantum Biology Collective Podcast • The Quantum Biology Collective
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"Everything is quantum. The universe is quantum. We are quantum beings," asserts Dr. Teresa Bullard, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to illuminate the profound implications of quantum physics on our understanding of reality and personal transformation. As a Ph.D. physicist turned spiritual alchemist, Dr. Bullard bridges the gap between cutting-edge science and ancient wisdom, offering a unique perspective on how quantum principles can be applied to our daily lives and collective evolution.

In this captivating episode, Dr. Bullard delves into the esoteric impact of neutrinos, the practical applications of alchemy in the 21st century, and the quantum nature of consciousness. She explains how coherence at multiple levels—from our brainwaves to our gut microbiome—is key to unlocking our potential and influencing the quantum field. Dr. Bullard also shares her insights on the current state of humanity's collective transformation, likening it to a butterfly emerging from its chrysalis.

Tune in to discover how understanding quantum physics and alchemical processes can provide a roadmap for personal growth and societal change. Learn why Dr. Bullard believes we're at a critical juncture in human history and how embracing a quantum paradigm could be the key to navigating our ongoing metamorphosis.

Key Takeaways

1. Cultivate coherence in your life. Practice meditation, focus on gratitude, and work on aligning your thoughts and actions. This creates a more unified quantum state that allows you to better interact with and influence the quantum field.

2. Understand personal growth through an alchemical lens. View challenges as part of a larger transformative process rather than setbacks. Persist through all stages, even when things feel comfortable, to achieve lasting change.

3. Seek in-person connections to complement virtual interactions. Physical proximity allows for more immediate entrainment and coherence between people. Make an effort to gather in person with like-minded individuals when possible.

4. Apply quantum principles to daily life. Explore resources like the Quantum Learning Academy to learn practical ways of adopting a quantum mindset and achieving quantum coherent states.

5. Participate actively in societal transformation. Recognize we're in a critical transition period collectively. Stay conscious, intentional and disciplined in moving positive changes forward rather than backsliding into old patterns.

Memorable Quotes

"Quantum physics is the physics that governs the most fundamental building blocks of our universe. If we go down to the innermost core of everything that makes up this universe, it is going to be built based on quantum physics."
"The true gold of alchemy is the wisdom itself. It's not just about trying to turn lead into gold, as we were taught in our science history classes, but there is a wisdom of the process of transformation."
"We're in this transition between the fermentation and the distillation stage. This is where we really need to be conscious, intentional, proactive, and disciplined with how we continue to move the process forward. We're at a really critical time on the planet and in our modern world."

Resources Mentioned

The Game Changers: Social Alchemists of the 21st Century by Dr. Teresa Bullard - https://amzn.to/4au1xqP

Mystery Teachings on Gaia Network featuring Dr. Teresa Bullard - https://theresabullard.com/mystery-teachings-on-gaia/

Quantum Learning Academy - https://quantumlearningacademy.co

The Coming Age of Quantum Biology - https://amzn.to/40FHd2E

Connect with Theresa

Website: https://theresabullard.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/UniversalKabbalah

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.theresabullard/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Dr.TheresaBullard/

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Meredith Oke:

Welcome to the Quantum Biology Collective podcast

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where we break down the practical applications of

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this emerging science, starting with healthy life

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habits and going wherever the quantum

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superhighway takes us. This is your host,

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executive and life coach Meredith Oak with a

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quick reminder that podcasts are conversations,

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not consultations. But if you're looking for one

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of those, do check out our free practitioner

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directory@quantumbiologycollective.org we are

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going on a fun ride today people. It is going to

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be good. I have Dr. Teresa Bullard, Ph.D. theresa

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is a Ph.D. physicist. Her degree is from the

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University of Washington in Seattle. She has over

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12 years experience in experimental research

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including neutrino physics, atomic physics,

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quantum physics, crystal chemistry,

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nanotechnology, origin of life studies and more.

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However, she is also the author of a book called

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the Game Social alchemists of the 21st century

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century and a highly sought after speaker on

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personal development and spiritual development

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through a quantum lens. So I have been following

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Teresa's work for many years. I have found her to

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be a very clear communicator who really

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understands her subject very thoroughly from an

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academic perspective, but is one of those rare

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scientists who left the academic world, left

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standard physics to follow her heart and study

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all of the implications of science and from a

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more spiritual and esoteric perspective. She has

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a TV show on the Gaia Network called Mystery

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Teachings which I really recommend. She does a

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great quantum physics breakdown in those episodes

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and she also has a business with her husband

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called the Quantum Learning Academy which she

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talks about in this episode. And she speaks all

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over the world and runs workshops and does all

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kinds of really cool stuff and agreed to come on

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this podcast and chat with me. So I got to have a

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fan moment. You know when you've been watching

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someone for a long time and then all of a sudden

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you're talking to them and we had a really

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interesting conversation. We talked about the

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esoteric impact of neutrinos. We will explain

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what those are as well as the practical

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application of concepts like alchemy and how they

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are relevant to the present day metamorphosis

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that we're all going through personally and

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collectively as a culture. So enjoy. I don't know

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what else to say. This is a really fun

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Bullard. Dr. Theresa Bullard, welcome to the

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Quantum Biology Collective podcast. I am deeply

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delighted to be talking with you today. Thank you

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for making the time.

Theresa Bullard:

Thank you, Meredith, for the invitation.

Meredith Oke:

So, as we were just chatting about, I first came

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across your work many years ago and was felt very

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deeply connected because I had come to the idea

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of quantum physics many times in my life, but it

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was always through what we lovingly call the woo

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people. And they would refer to quantum physics

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as, you know, the scientific proof for whatever

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esoteric philosophy they were talking about. And

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it felt true, but I never really felt like their

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description of why and how was really going all

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the way. They would make some vague references

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to, you know, an experiment here and there and

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then keep and then move on. But what I found your

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work and as a classically trained physicist with

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a PhD, you were the first person I encountered

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who was able to explain classical physics and

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classical quantum physics from, from the academic

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field in a way that A, made sense and B, still

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connected it back to our beloved esoteric

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philosophies. So could you explain how you tell

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people what you tell people? Quantum physics is

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for those of us who are not physicists.

Theresa Bullard:

Okay, thank you. So quantum physics, I would say,

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is the physics that governs the most fundamental,

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the most basic building blocks of our universe.

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Right. If we go down to the innermost core of

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everything, every atom, every particle, you go

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down to the innermost core of everything that

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makes up this universe. It is going to be built

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based on quantum physics and the ways in which

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quantum physics tell us that these particles are

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allowed to interact and behave and how they're

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not allowed to behave. And from there the physics

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kind of expands. And the more you add in lots and

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lots of particles to build up more complex atoms

Theresa Bullard:

and then chemistry and so forth, they have to

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start statistically averaging out and that's when

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we then get more of a Newtonian classical type

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interaction. And we work with the classical

Theresa Bullard:

physics laws, but at the most core essence, we

Theresa Bullard:

are quantum. And I, I think that that what it

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ultimately is telling us is that we need to look

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beyond just the physical. You know, for so long,

Theresa Bullard:

science was so focused on what is the smallest

Theresa Bullard:

particle, what are, what are the smallest

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building blocks. Um, and the more they continued

Theresa Bullard:

to search deeper and deeper and have a higher

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energy experiments to be able to probe more

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deeply into matter, the more they found that it's

Theresa Bullard:

actually not about the particles, it's about the

Theresa Bullard:

fields. It's about the energy and that there's

Theresa Bullard:

infinite possibilities of what could be drawn

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forth from the. The quantum sea of potential. And

Theresa Bullard:

it's like, in some ways, the more they just ramp

Theresa Bullard:

up their particle accelerator energies, the more

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they get new particles coming out of this quantum

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field. And so it's like, it's about the energy,

Theresa Bullard:

it's about the field, it's about the

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interconnectivity and this infinite possibility

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that it presents us with when we can learn how to

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tap into it, when we learn how to probe it and

Theresa Bullard:

also communicate with it. So I say, ultimately,

Theresa Bullard:

we are quantum beings. The universe is quantum

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everything from the smallest particles all the

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way to intergalactic structures. Quantum physics

Theresa Bullard:

is actually playing a really important role in

Theresa Bullard:

how we and the universe function.

Meredith Oke:

Thank you. That was beautifully simple, and it's

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so true. I remember in middle school learning the

Meredith Oke:

small what the smallest particle was. And then in

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high school, they're like, oh, no, no, no. It's

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different now. And then in college, not that I

Meredith Oke:

took science, but I would, you know, you hear

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things like, oh, no, no. Now it's. Now it's a

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cork. Now it's over.

Theresa Bullard:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

And I remember thinking, is this ever going to

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stop? So the way that you describe physics, it is

Meredith Oke:

so clear that we are quantum beings. However, on

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my journey, I came into this, you know, through

Meredith Oke:

personal health and wanting to heal myself. And I

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discovered that there was. It was actually

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considered completely untrue that there were

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quantum effects in biological systems according

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to classical biology. So could you. And there's

Meredith Oke:

been some great academic work done in the last 15

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years to show that actually that was an incorrect

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conclusion. What are your thoughts on that? I

Meredith Oke:

mean, obviously, the way you describe it, it's.

Meredith Oke:

There's no question.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah. You know, it's. It's really interesting

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because science, you know, for hundreds of years,

Theresa Bullard:

science is being driven by a very Newtonian

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model, right. All the way back to Isaac Newton.

Theresa Bullard:

And it became, you know, reduced to four

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different principles. There was that everything

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can be reduced to its parts. Reductionism.

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Everything is deterministic. Right. That we can

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predetermine and know. If we know the formulas,

Theresa Bullard:

then we can know everything about a system and

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how it will unfold, that things are separate and

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isolated. So if we just, you know, break down a

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whole into its separate components and understand

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how those components work, then we understand,

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you know, the whole. And what I do in my

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laboratory here doesn't affect anything else. You

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know, so it's this sort of isolation model, and

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then that things are materially real. And the

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ultimately, it made the value system based on

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what's physical and what's knowable and what we

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can rationalize our way through. And because of

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this, and there's a certain scientific dogma that

Theresa Bullard:

started to set in to most the scientific fields.

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And that dogma became its own mindset that

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started to limit the scientist perception and

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willingness to even entertain certain ideas. So

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scientism kind of became its own form of

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religion, if you will. And so, you know, with one

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of those ideas, for example, is that quantum

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physics only applies to very fundamental

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particles. And it only applies as you get to that

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super, super small scale. And that as soon as you

Theresa Bullard:

start getting into larger numbers, they call them

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ensembles. When you get to these ensembles or

Theresa Bullard:

larger numbers of particles interacting together,

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Any quantum effects get averaged out. So once you

Theresa Bullard:

move into the chemistry realm, Quantum physics

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isn't supposed to have any effect. And especially

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when you get into the biology realm, it shouldn't

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have any effect. But now we' starting to see more

Theresa Bullard:

and more experiments being done that are showing

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entanglement phenomenon, for example, where this

Theresa Bullard:

is a quantum phenomenon where two particles that

Theresa Bullard:

at some point interact and then are separated,

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that they remain connected even when they're

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separated by, you know, light years, for example,

Theresa Bullard:

and they have this instantaneous connection

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between them. Well, now we're starting to see

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larger and larger systems, Even all the way up to

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biology, have entanglement phenomenon As a result

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of certain coherence. What's most important when

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it comes to quantum application Is that things

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are in a coherent state. They're somehow

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synchronized together. But even at a biological

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level, that can happen. And we're starting to see

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that, for example, in some of the microtubules

Theresa Bullard:

that work within various neurons and the nervous

Theresa Bullard:

system itself, we're finding it in higher and

Theresa Bullard:

higher levels of molecules also being entangled

Theresa Bullard:

together. And so this coherence is really key,

Theresa Bullard:

though. So just because. And so science generally

Theresa Bullard:

has believed that you can't get that level of

Theresa Bullard:

coherence Unless you're, like, at near absolute

Theresa Bullard:

zero temperatures, which biology can't function

Theresa Bullard:

at. But. But now they're finding that that's not

Theresa Bullard:

entirely the case. There are other ways to get

Theresa Bullard:

this sort of coherence within the biological

Theresa Bullard:

level. So I personally believe, though, that the

Theresa Bullard:

thing that science is leaving out and maybe

Theresa Bullard:

starting to open up to exploring Is the

Theresa Bullard:

consciousness factor. And that, you know, so

Theresa Bullard:

like, I remember when I was in grad school, I

Theresa Bullard:

actually asked. I was at the University of

Theresa Bullard:

Washington. I was really starting to get more

Theresa Bullard:

educated on my own around things like biophotons

Theresa Bullard:

and the potential of biophysics and quantum and

Theresa Bullard:

the possible correlates of consciousness. And I

Theresa Bullard:

actually asked my professors at one point, you

Theresa Bullard:

know, could I do my dissertation research in

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consciousness and how quantum physics, you know,

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interacts maybe, you know, in the brain or

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something along those lines. And I literally was

Theresa Bullard:

told, please do not embarrass this organization

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with such soft pseudoscience kind of stuff. So,

Theresa Bullard:

you know, so they really were not open to it at

Theresa Bullard:

that time. And that, you know, that was back in

Theresa Bullard:

the early 2000s. And so, you know, but by now I

Theresa Bullard:

think that there's much more openness starting to

Theresa Bullard:

come back into the field. With younger

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generations moving forward and becoming

Theresa Bullard:

professors, there's more openness, but there's

Theresa Bullard:

still like this. We're in this transition still

Theresa Bullard:

between this old paradigm, materialistic way of

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viewing everything to the shifting into a new

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paradigm where we are starting to look at the

Theresa Bullard:

consciousness factor and more interdisciplinary.

Theresa Bullard:

Like, I also wanted to do interdisciplinary

Theresa Bullard:

research at the time, and it was very hard to

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find, and it wasn't well funded either. And so

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you had all this separation between the various

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branches of science, and they didn't even speak

Theresa Bullard:

the same language. Like, I shifted at some point

Theresa Bullard:

from doing neutrino physics research to doing

Theresa Bullard:

crystal chemistry and material science, and I

Theresa Bullard:

literally had to learn a whole new language and

Theresa Bullard:

way of thinking to understand how do we approach

Theresa Bullard:

this research. So even you would think that

Theresa Bullard:

physics and chemistry are next of kin in the

Theresa Bullard:

scientific way of approaching things, but they

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are very different in their. In their mindset, in

Theresa Bullard:

their approach, in their culture, and even in

Theresa Bullard:

their terminology. You know, it's. They speak.

Theresa Bullard:

The academic world kind of creates silos within

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itself because of all of its nomenclature. And,

Theresa Bullard:

you know, they like to. You got to be an expert

Theresa Bullard:

to know what to.

Meredith Oke:

So even if you wanted to cross reference, it's

Meredith Oke:

very difficult because everyone's using different

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terminology, different formulas, different

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everything.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah, yeah, the nomenclature, you know, I mean,

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like in chemistry, for example, there's a lot of

Theresa Bullard:

Latin that's being used in the naming of various

Theresa Bullard:

chemical processes and molecules and so forth.

Theresa Bullard:

Whereas in physics it's, you know, you don't

Theresa Bullard:

really get that, but then you get, you know, a

Theresa Bullard:

lot of acronyms in physics and, you know, so

Theresa Bullard:

it's. You have to, like, you have to really be

Theresa Bullard:

determined when you're trained in one way of

Theresa Bullard:

thinking. So, for example, also a physicist, as a

Theresa Bullard:

physicist, I was trained to do everything from

Theresa Bullard:

first principles that you. You need to understand

Theresa Bullard:

the math. You got to work it all out, drive it

Theresa Bullard:

first and, and dot every I and cross every T

Theresa Bullard:

before you go to the experiment. Whereas in

Theresa Bullard:

chemistry it was like the opposite. They're like,

Theresa Bullard:

throw, throw the chemicals together, see what

Theresa Bullard:

comes out, and then try and figure it out. You

Theresa Bullard:

know, it's a completely different mindset. So, so

Theresa Bullard:

it me a real, like quite a period of years to

Theresa Bullard:

adjust from, from one way to the other. But I

Theresa Bullard:

ultimately made my own interdisciplinary way of

Theresa Bullard:

working through the scientific field.

Meredith Oke:

That's amazing. And you know, I think that's

Meredith Oke:

probably the way forward. I took the name Quantum

Meredith Oke:

biology from a book called the Coming Age of

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Quantum Biology. And I'm going to be honest, I

Meredith Oke:

don't remember the details of the science in that

Meredith Oke:

book. But what I do remember very clearly is in

Meredith Oke:

the foreword, the two authors, one was a

Meredith Oke:

biologist and one was a physicist. And the way

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they talked about daring to work together, it was

Meredith Oke:

like they were having an affair on their, on

Meredith Oke:

their fields or something. They met and they were

Meredith Oke:

like, what if we could help each other solve

Meredith Oke:

problem? Like, I don't know, will we get kicked

Meredith Oke:

out? Will we get divorced? Yeah, but, you know, I

Meredith Oke:

think obviously it worked out and they made some

Meredith Oke:

incredible breakthroughs. But I just, I didn't,

Meredith Oke:

as an outsider to science, I didn't understand

Meredith Oke:

until I read that just how difficult it is for

Meredith Oke:

you all to work together.

Theresa Bullard:

Well, I think, yeah. So I've kind of explained

Theresa Bullard:

part of it and I think another part of it in the

Theresa Bullard:

scientific field is there's a looming. There's

Theresa Bullard:

sort of this fear, if you will, of losing

Theresa Bullard:

credibility. And if you start venturing off into

Theresa Bullard:

alternative subjects, you, you risk losing your

Theresa Bullard:

credibility. And they kind of hold that over

Theresa Bullard:

people. Like, don't, don't go in that direction

Theresa Bullard:

because you'll lose your credibility. It's soft

Theresa Bullard:

science or whatever it is, or you won't get

Theresa Bullard:

funding because you. So funding also drives

Theresa Bullard:

scientific research. And what various funding

Theresa Bullard:

agencies are willing to support is based on what

Theresa Bullard:

they. Some kind of agenda or some kind of thing

Theresa Bullard:

that they really want to know, whether it's for

Theresa Bullard:

technological purposes or some basic science or

Theresa Bullard:

there's defense money. So there's certain agendas

Theresa Bullard:

that you have to kind of figure out how to write

Theresa Bullard:

your grant in a way that fulfills what they're

Theresa Bullard:

wanting to fund and it drives science. And I

Theresa Bullard:

think a lot of people don't understand,

Theresa Bullard:

understand that, you know, because sometimes you

Theresa Bullard:

get the skeptics to say, well, you know, if

Theresa Bullard:

consciousness has some quantum correlates,

Theresa Bullard:

where's the proof and why Is it. Why isn't there

Theresa Bullard:

any research or more research on it? And it's

Theresa Bullard:

like, well, there is research on it, but there's,

Theresa Bullard:

there's several things. One is funding it can't

Theresa Bullard:

get funded. Usually. 2 is even if they self fund

Theresa Bullard:

and they do the research and then they try to

Theresa Bullard:

publish, they get rejected just purely without

Theresa Bullard:

even having read it or, or verified it. It just

Theresa Bullard:

gets rejected because it's not the acceptable

Theresa Bullard:

kind of topic. And, and then there, you know,

Theresa Bullard:

then there's the risk of credibility and tenure

Theresa Bullard:

if you're, you know, professor. So there's all

Theresa Bullard:

these kinds of complications that come in with

Theresa Bullard:

the, this, the academic model in science. But I

Theresa Bullard:

do, I have seen there's more willingness, there's

Theresa Bullard:

more courage now coming from people who are in

Theresa Bullard:

those tenured positions. Because it used to be a

Theresa Bullard:

physicist, even if they believed in consciousness

Theresa Bullard:

and that consciousness was prim their entire

Theresa Bullard:

career, they wouldn't say anything about it to

Theresa Bullard:

their colleagues. And it wasn't until they

Theresa Bullard:

retired that they would finally come out of the

Theresa Bullard:

closet that they believed in something spiritual.

Theresa Bullard:

And now we're seeing more and more who are, who

Theresa Bullard:

are in physics professorships and tenured

Theresa Bullard:

positions where they are starting to come out and

Theresa Bullard:

just be like, this is what I believe. And they're

Theresa Bullard:

willing to argue it out. And, you know, so there

Theresa Bullard:

has been a shift in the last 10, 15 years, I

Theresa Bullard:

would say, and that's really refreshing to see,

Theresa Bullard:

although it wasn't when I was in grad school, so.

Meredith Oke:

Right. And led, led to your leaving the

Meredith Oke:

profession and going out on your own.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah, yeah. I decided I needed to follow my heart

Theresa Bullard:

rather than just following the, the standard

Theresa Bullard:

system.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. I'd love to explore that a little bit. But

Meredith Oke:

first I did want to talk for a minute about

Meredith Oke:

neutrinos on this podcast. We talk a lot about

Meredith Oke:

light and how biophotons interact with biology

Meredith Oke:

and how beautiful and amazing that is and good

Meredith Oke:

for our health and all those things. But tell us

Meredith Oke:

about neutrinos and what those are.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah, so neutrinos are, they were discovered by,

Theresa Bullard:

I think it was Pauli. He, he was one of the

Theresa Bullard:

founding fathers of quantum physics. And as he

Theresa Bullard:

was looking at different interactions based on

Theresa Bullard:

what they were discovering at the time as the

Theresa Bullard:

laws of physics, he was seeing that there, he,

Theresa Bullard:

there would be certain known particles coming in

Theresa Bullard:

to an interaction and then they would, you know,

Theresa Bullard:

go, go out. You know, like maybe it was a, just a

Theresa Bullard:

scattering event or maybe there was an actual

Theresa Bullard:

exchange depending on the energy. But he also saw

Theresa Bullard:

as he was working out the equations that there

Theresa Bullard:

were missing. There was something missing. And it

Theresa Bullard:

seemed to be carrying away angular momentum and a

Theresa Bullard:

certain amount of energy, but it had no charge

Theresa Bullard:

and it had no mass. So it wasn't interacting via

Theresa Bullard:

electromagnetism, and it was not interacting with

Theresa Bullard:

mass. So gravitational effects that you wouldn't

Theresa Bullard:

be able to look out into the cosmos and measure

Theresa Bullard:

its gravitational effects, for example. And so

Theresa Bullard:

they called it very weakly interacting. And it

Theresa Bullard:

wasn't working via the strong force, which is

Theresa Bullard:

more the nuclear, what holds a nucleus together.

Theresa Bullard:

And so he called it the little neutral one, the

Theresa Bullard:

neutrino. So there's a particle that has no

Theresa Bullard:

charge, no mass. It's not one of the quarks that

Theresa Bullard:

work via the strong force and create protons and

Theresa Bullard:

neutrons. It's not an electron. It's not a

Theresa Bullard:

photon. It's, you know, it's none of these other

Theresa Bullard:

particles that they knew at the time, but it is

Theresa Bullard:

abundant in the universe, and it's produced

Theresa Bullard:

inside of fusion, nuclear fusion. So in the stars

Theresa Bullard:

and in supernova and, you know, jets out of

Theresa Bullard:

galactic cores, like the black holes, when they

Theresa Bullard:

have these sort of jets of plasma particles

Theresa Bullard:

coming out, neutrinos. So, like, for example, if

Theresa Bullard:

there's a supernova somewhere out in the

Theresa Bullard:

universe, the neutrinos will hit Earth first. If

Theresa Bullard:

it's, if we're in the line of that, the neutrinos

Theresa Bullard:

will hit Earth first before the photons do,

Theresa Bullard:

because they don't interact with

Theresa Bullard:

electromagnetism. So they don't get slowed down,

Theresa Bullard:

whereas the photons get a bit slowed down in

Theresa Bullard:

their interactions with various electrons and

Theresa Bullard:

other things. So neutrinos are this really

Theresa Bullard:

elusive particle, but that is created by the sun.

Theresa Bullard:

It's created by, you know, supernova and so

Theresa Bullard:

forth. And we're bombarded. You know, we, we have

Theresa Bullard:

neutrinos flowing through us like thousands,

Theresa Bullard:

millions, you know, and, and, and they, they

Theresa Bullard:

interact, but only through the weak force, which

Theresa Bullard:

is one of the four quantum physics forces. And so

Theresa Bullard:

it can interact with us, but it's very weakly

Theresa Bullard:

interacting. And so one of this is one of the

Theresa Bullard:

things that I was involved in researching in my

Theresa Bullard:

PhD studies was in order to even detect a

Theresa Bullard:

neutrino, for example, we had this experiment

Theresa Bullard:

that I was a part of called the Sudbury Neutrino

Theresa Bullard:

Observatory. And we had to go a mile underground

Theresa Bullard:

and a mile through the drift of a mine, and so a

Theresa Bullard:

mile through these tunnels, and then there was

Theresa Bullard:

this big container, almost like a reservoir, but

Theresa Bullard:

it was round, it was spherical, and inside that,

Theresa Bullard:

they had heavy water. So they had a thousand tons

Theresa Bullard:

of heavy water inside this big container, and it

Theresa Bullard:

was ultra pure, right? And then they had all

Theresa Bullard:

these photo multiplier tubes around it. So that

Theresa Bullard:

basically when a neutrino came in and it hit the

Theresa Bullard:

heavy water, it would interact more so than with

Theresa Bullard:

regular water because there's an extra, you know,

Theresa Bullard:

it's a deuterium, extra neutrons in there. And it

Theresa Bullard:

would kick out a neutron from the, from the heavy

Theresa Bullard:

water. And then that neutron was what they called

Theresa Bullard:

the neutral signal. And then we had to detect

Theresa Bullard:

that with other form of detection, but it would

Theresa Bullard:

also create these Cherenkov rings. So anyway, so

Theresa Bullard:

this is how we were measuring whether one, if

Theresa Bullard:

there's multiple types of neutrinos, which there

Theresa Bullard:

were, there's three different types of neutrinos.

Theresa Bullard:

And just like there's three different types of

Theresa Bullard:

what they call leptons, like electrons are one

Theresa Bullard:

form of lepton, there's also muons and taunts,

Theresa Bullard:

and these are part of the standard model of

Theresa Bullard:

quantum physics. And then there's a neutrino that

Theresa Bullard:

matches each of those families. And then they

Theresa Bullard:

were also trying to detect whether it had mass or

Theresa Bullard:

not, whether it had a minuscule amount of mass or

Theresa Bullard:

no mass, and whether they could oscillate. They

Theresa Bullard:

did find that an electron neutrino can oscillate

Theresa Bullard:

to a muon and a taun. And it's not until it's

Theresa Bullard:

measured that we actually collapse the waveform,

Theresa Bullard:

if you will, to see which type it is. So there

Theresa Bullard:

was a lot of fascinating, fascinating things

Theresa Bullard:

about it.

Meredith Oke:

In the, the academic model or the classic physics

Meredith Oke:

model that you were working in, was there a

Meredith Oke:

hypothesis or a theory as to whether neutrinos

Meredith Oke:

serve some sort of purpose? And then I'd be

Meredith Oke:

curious if you have your own esoteric thoughts on

Meredith Oke:

them.

Theresa Bullard:

So in the classical, or in the standard, I should

Theresa Bullard:

say, standard physics model, the purpose is

Theresa Bullard:

they're carriers of energy, right? That, that

Theresa Bullard:

they just help carry away certain energy from

Theresa Bullard:

different reactions that happen or interactions

Theresa Bullard:

that happen at a, at a nuclear level. Not nuclear

Theresa Bullard:

physics necessarily, like in the sense of fusion

Theresa Bullard:

or fission. It's not about fission so much. It's

Theresa Bullard:

about fusion, but they carry energy. But I would

Theresa Bullard:

also say if they carry energy, they carry

Theresa Bullard:

information, right? Because information is a. In

Theresa Bullard:

quantum physics, the more you look at it, the

Theresa Bullard:

more you, you start to realize that even more

Theresa Bullard:

fundamental than energy, you know, because like

Theresa Bullard:

Einstein's whole thing was that everything is

Theresa Bullard:

energy, right? Mass and energy are equivalent,

Theresa Bullard:

essentially. But in a quantum physics model, it's

Theresa Bullard:

Actually, everything is information. And

Theresa Bullard:

information. Then from information emerges things

Theresa Bullard:

like mass or energy or charge and so forth. So

Theresa Bullard:

the more fundamental building block of the

Theresa Bullard:

universe is information. And so then if we were

Theresa Bullard:

to shift to an esoteric kind of perspective, a

Theresa Bullard:

more spiritual perspective, there's. I'm still

Theresa Bullard:

kind of personally trying to wrap my head around

Theresa Bullard:

it, but there are some, both scientists and

Theresa Bullard:

metaphysicians that I have met who believe that

Theresa Bullard:

neutrinos are something that are attracted to our

Theresa Bullard:

consciousness and that they. They carry

Theresa Bullard:

information and that we can draw. Like, if you're

Theresa Bullard:

meditating, you're coming into a more and more

Theresa Bullard:

coherent state of being that you can draw more

Theresa Bullard:

neutrinos to you. And. And then there's another

Theresa Bullard:

particle that are theorizing called. That's even

Theresa Bullard:

smaller than a neutrino called the ignaton. Ignis

Theresa Bullard:

like. Like being the Latin word for fire. And

Theresa Bullard:

they, they think it's like the secret fire. And

Theresa Bullard:

that this also comes, like, from the sun and. And

Theresa Bullard:

so forth. And so they believe. And. And this is

Theresa Bullard:

something that is being presented even on Gaia

Theresa Bullard:

now. They're. They had a little bit of it in

Theresa Bullard:

their ancient civilizations. The most recent

Theresa Bullard:

season six, and in some of the later episodes,

Theresa Bullard:

the last couple episodes, they. They talked a bit

Theresa Bullard:

about it. And it's. So the, the idea is that the

Theresa Bullard:

more coherent our consciousness becomes, the more

Theresa Bullard:

we can attract both neutrinos and ignatons to us.

Theresa Bullard:

And this then starts to amplify what we call the

Theresa Bullard:

light body. And it. And it. You know, eventually

Theresa Bullard:

there's certain ancient spiritual teachings that

Theresa Bullard:

talk about, like, the rainbow body, the light

Theresa Bullard:

body, the ascension body. And through various

Theresa Bullard:

spiritual practices, it's like you're

Theresa Bullard:

accumulating these extra particles, your field,

Theresa Bullard:

or maybe it's not really about the particles so

Theresa Bullard:

much. I think they stream through us, but the

Theresa Bullard:

information becomes more and more part of us. So.

Theresa Bullard:

So this is. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Okay.

Meredith Oke:

I'm going to take a second to process all that.

Meredith Oke:

Wow, that's really cool. And it's. Yeah. What's

Meredith Oke:

really, you know, it's just all resonating so

Meredith Oke:

much. So, as I said before, we talk a lot about

Meredith Oke:

biophotons and this sort of, you know, standard

Meredith Oke:

scientific consensus is becoming that circadian

Meredith Oke:

rhythms are extremely important to overall health

Meredith Oke:

in every capacity. And every time a new paper

Meredith Oke:

comes out, it's like, oh, my goodness, artificial

Meredith Oke:

light at night leads to all these terrible

Meredith Oke:

things. And oh, my goodness, sunlight exposure is

Meredith Oke:

so much more important than we ever thought. And

Meredith Oke:

so there's that, you know, and I have lots of,

Meredith Oke:

like, somewhat mainstream doctors who. Who come

Meredith Oke:

on and talk about the importance of sunlight to

Meredith Oke:

health. And then you have the people who, you

Meredith Oke:

know, who are more in our crew, who have, like,

Meredith Oke:

this subatomic understanding. They're like, well,

Meredith Oke:

because light is information and it's coding into

Meredith Oke:

our. Those biophotons are our information that

Meredith Oke:

our body needs to function. And so now we're

Meredith Oke:

going even beyond. Because it always seems to

Meredith Oke:

come back to being. Being outside and having. Not

Meredith Oke:

in like a necessarily sunbathing way, although

Meredith Oke:

that's great too. But being connected to natural

Meredith Oke:

light as a. As a source of health and coherence.

Theresa Bullard:

I think it would be nature in general. I mean,

Theresa Bullard:

all four elements. Right. So having. Having the.

Theresa Bullard:

I mean, even just being around running water,

Theresa Bullard:

Right. We know that running water creates a bit

Theresa Bullard:

of an ionic field around it and. And that can

Theresa Bullard:

charge up our own field as well. Being earthed.

Theresa Bullard:

Right. Grounding and like, walking barefooted on

Theresa Bullard:

the earth, breathing in, obviously, clean air.

Theresa Bullard:

Right. And having that air that's circulating

Theresa Bullard:

versus air that's stagnant. And yes, of course,

Theresa Bullard:

the sun and receiving the light, that stimulation

Theresa Bullard:

of the, you know, pineal and pituitary and so

Theresa Bullard:

forth that really rely on the light and vitamin

Theresa Bullard:

D, you know, all of it. We know that all of these

Theresa Bullard:

elements, you know, ancient wisdom teachings, you

Theresa Bullard:

always talked about the four elements and how we

Theresa Bullard:

need them to be in balance in our life and that

Theresa Bullard:

we needed to be connected with all four of them

Theresa Bullard:

to have health. And, you know, so we might have.

Theresa Bullard:

Might today, in our scientific way of thinking

Theresa Bullard:

about things, say, well, the four elements, you

Theresa Bullard:

know, they're not really the four elements.

Theresa Bullard:

They're not the most basic. Right. We know more

Theresa Bullard:

about them now, but it's still like, from a human

Theresa Bullard:

perspective and from our experience, it's still

Theresa Bullard:

very much a fundamental need. You know, we need

Theresa Bullard:

these to thrive. And so I wouldn't discount the

Theresa Bullard:

importance of the four elements in our lives and

Theresa Bullard:

having them in a natural way.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, absolutely. The grounding is important. And

Meredith Oke:

the trees are giving off information and

Meredith Oke:

reflecting light. Yeah, there's all of the pieces

Meredith Oke:

of it, for sure, because we were talking about

Meredith Oke:

the neutrinos and all of these, you know, all of

Meredith Oke:

this information that's coming down. Okay, so. So

Meredith Oke:

we've talked a lot. You've talked a lot about the

Meredith Oke:

word coherence and in the, you know, the

Meredith Oke:

neutrino, the metaphysical idea of neutrinos. So

Meredith Oke:

they're coming. They're coming through us at all

Meredith Oke:

Times they have information. Are you saying that

Meredith Oke:

we are more or less available to that information

Meredith Oke:

depending on our own personal coherence? And what

Meredith Oke:

do you mean by that word?

Theresa Bullard:

Okay, so let's start with what do we mean by

Theresa Bullard:

coherence, first of all? So coherence means that

Theresa Bullard:

things are aligned. Think of a laser, right.

Theresa Bullard:

Versus thinking of an incandescent light bulb,

Theresa Bullard:

right? So in an incandescent light, you just have

Theresa Bullard:

light sort of scattering, and it's a broad

Theresa Bullard:

spectrum of frequencies that come out from that

Theresa Bullard:

particular light bulb. But when you have an LED

Theresa Bullard:

light or a laser light, it's a specific

Theresa Bullard:

frequency. So everything is tuned to one

Theresa Bullard:

frequency. Everything is the. Their waveforms are

Theresa Bullard:

perfectly aligned with each other. So they're in

Theresa Bullard:

phase with each other and they're all moving in

Theresa Bullard:

the same direction. So rather than being

Theresa Bullard:

scattered in multiple directions, they're all

Theresa Bullard:

moving in a laser like fashion, all in one

Theresa Bullard:

direction. So coherence is about really like

Theresa Bullard:

having that laser focus. Now, from a, from a

Theresa Bullard:

quantum perspective, for example, we know that if

Theresa Bullard:

I, in order to like excite an electron from one

Theresa Bullard:

orbit to another orbit, it takes a very specific

Theresa Bullard:

amount of energy. So photon would need to come

Theresa Bullard:

in, or, you know, whichever. So we'll just say

Theresa Bullard:

with the photon, a photon needs to come in and it

Theresa Bullard:

has to have a very specific energy. And then it

Theresa Bullard:

can excite that electron up to a higher orbital

Theresa Bullard:

state, higher frequency state, if you will. And,

Theresa Bullard:

and then when that electron ultimately de.

Theresa Bullard:

Excites and comes back to its ground state, it

Theresa Bullard:

will release a photon of the exact same

Theresa Bullard:

frequency. And if you bring in any other

Theresa Bullard:

frequency of light, it's not going to, it's like

Theresa Bullard:

it won't be enough if it's too low. And if it's

Theresa Bullard:

too much, it might, it might actually kick it

Theresa Bullard:

out, right? So like X rays, for example, when we

Theresa Bullard:

get an X ray, we want to minimize our exposure to

Theresa Bullard:

X rays because X rays actually kick out electrons

Theresa Bullard:

out of the, out of their atoms completely. And

Theresa Bullard:

that's how we then, you know, do the imaging. So,

Theresa Bullard:

and you know, and then we have gamma rays come in

Theresa Bullard:

from galactic sources. We have UV light, right?

Theresa Bullard:

These are all different frequencies of photons

Theresa Bullard:

and light. So coherence is really important. And

Theresa Bullard:

in quantum physics, as I mentioned, if you have,

Theresa Bullard:

for example, there's something called a Bose

Theresa Bullard:

Einstein condensate, which is where you have a

Theresa Bullard:

lot of particles or a lot of atoms come together,

Theresa Bullard:

but then they're cooled down to a lower energy

Theresa Bullard:

state. But in this process they end up getting

Theresa Bullard:

kind of rearranging themselves and connecting

Theresa Bullard:

together in a way that they almost become like

Theresa Bullard:

one particle and they behave as one unit. The

Theresa Bullard:

more they align themselves, the more it's

Theresa Bullard:

becoming this new state of matter that they call

Theresa Bullard:

the Bose, Einstein condensate. This coherence. In

Theresa Bullard:

order to have quantum effects at a macroscopic

Theresa Bullard:

level, you have to have more and more coherence

Theresa Bullard:

of the various parts, the various pieces coming

Theresa Bullard:

together and acting as one. So, so this is super

Theresa Bullard:

important. I mean, every, in every way that you

Theresa Bullard:

look at quantum physics, coherence plays a role.

Theresa Bullard:

Now when we talk about it at a biological level,

Theresa Bullard:

we can talk about having coherence of our brain

Theresa Bullard:

waves, right? You can synchronize the, the

Theresa Bullard:

hemispheres. You can have like more of a,

Theresa Bullard:

everything kind of coming into a particular

Theresa Bullard:

frequency range. And we know from neuroscience

Theresa Bullard:

now that different frequency ranges of brain

Theresa Bullard:

waves will relate to different states of

Theresa Bullard:

consciousness. Not that the brain necessarily

Theresa Bullard:

creates the state of consciousness, but it

Theresa Bullard:

correlates with. And we can also talk about heart

Theresa Bullard:

coherence, right? So your heartbeat and you have

Theresa Bullard:

variability in that, that heart rate. And when

Theresa Bullard:

there's more coherence and it's consistent and

Theresa Bullard:

not so erratic, then you're going to be in a more

Theresa Bullard:

healing oriented state within your body. Usually

Theresa Bullard:

that comes from being in gratitude, being in a

Theresa Bullard:

place of appreciation, a place of joy and so

Theresa Bullard:

forth. And so this creates a more holistic state.

Theresa Bullard:

You can take this idea of coherence to your gut,

Theresa Bullard:

right? When your microbiome is coherent, like

Theresa Bullard:

you're, you're, they're all synergistically

Theresa Bullard:

working together because you have a healthy gut

Theresa Bullard:

microbiome versus an unhealthy, you know,

Theresa Bullard:

imbalance of bad bacteria. That's where you get

Theresa Bullard:

disease and issues, digestive issues which then

Theresa Bullard:

lead to, you know, other diseases. So coherence

Theresa Bullard:

can, you know, is something we can talk about at

Theresa Bullard:

every, every scale, every level of our being. And

Theresa Bullard:

the more we're coherent, the more we are going to

Theresa Bullard:

be healthy, we're going to thrive, but we're also

Theresa Bullard:

going to be able to inform the quantum field, if

Theresa Bullard:

you will. So I believe that consciousness as we

Theresa Bullard:

can bring our consciousness to a state of

Theresa Bullard:

coherence, meaning quiet down that monkey mind

Theresa Bullard:

instead of having all this distraction and

Theresa Bullard:

frantic energy and whatnot that we tend to be

Theresa Bullard:

exposed to in our modern, you know, world, and

Theresa Bullard:

especially in the urban sort of living, you're,

Theresa Bullard:

you get a lot of exposure to static. And in that

Theresa Bullard:

static, it's like you can't really have a clear

Theresa Bullard:

information that you're putting into the Quantum

Theresa Bullard:

field. Right. Because it's going to have a lot of

Theresa Bullard:

conflict and noise and all of that. Whereas if we

Theresa Bullard:

really want to make a difference in that quantum

Theresa Bullard:

realm, we have to have coherence going in. And so

Theresa Bullard:

you have to kind of bring yourself to that

Theresa Bullard:

stillness and silence within, but then also

Theresa Bullard:

single pointed focus of what are you trying to

Theresa Bullard:

inform and plant into the quantum field that

Theresa Bullard:

you're then hoping it will give you back. So

Theresa Bullard:

there is a way to communicate, I believe, using

Theresa Bullard:

consciousness. And that's really what we do in.

Theresa Bullard:

In the work that we're doing with the Quantum

Theresa Bullard:

Learning Academy is very much about training

Theresa Bullard:

people how to understand what is a quantum

Theresa Bullard:

mindset. Mindset. But then how to access what we

Theresa Bullard:

call a quantum coherent state of being at

Theresa Bullard:

multiple levels and making sure that we're first

Theresa Bullard:

accessing that proper state so that we can really

Theresa Bullard:

then communicate with that quantum realm and then

Theresa Bullard:

use it ultimately to support our innovation, to

Theresa Bullard:

support our manifestation, to create the kind of

Theresa Bullard:

life we really want to be living.

Meredith Oke:

That's beautiful. A beautiful explanation. And do

Meredith Oke:

you find that this coherence is affected by being

Meredith Oke:

around in groups.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Other people on the same path, or in certain

Meredith Oke:

cases, not depending, you know, on being on the

Meredith Oke:

subway versus, you know, being in a. In the

Meredith Oke:

meeting where everyone's focused on the same

Meredith Oke:

thing.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah. Yeah. So there's this concept in science of

Theresa Bullard:

entrainment. And it really. You can apply this

Theresa Bullard:

concept of entrainment to any vibrating system.

Theresa Bullard:

And pretty much everything is a vibrating system.

Theresa Bullard:

Everything vibrates. So, you know, when it comes

Theresa Bullard:

to people, when you get a group of people

Theresa Bullard:

together, they can entrain, but who are they

Theresa Bullard:

going to entrain to? Right. Are they going to

Theresa Bullard:

entrain to the person who's holding the high

Theresa Bullard:

vibes or the person who's holding the low vibes?

Theresa Bullard:

Right. And there's. There is some choice in that.

Theresa Bullard:

But just to kind of keep it simple, if you

Theresa Bullard:

imagine you have two tuning forks, if you strike

Theresa Bullard:

a tuning fork and that tuning fork vibrates then

Theresa Bullard:

at a. At a particular frequency, if you bring it

Theresa Bullard:

within proximity of another tuning fork that's

Theresa Bullard:

not yet vibrating, but has the capacity, has the

Theresa Bullard:

same ability to vibrate at that same frequency.

Theresa Bullard:

And if you just hold them near each other, at

Theresa Bullard:

some point, this other tuning fork will start to

Theresa Bullard:

vibrate with it. It'll entrain. And so I think

Theresa Bullard:

entrainment really takes effect when you're

Theresa Bullard:

physically exposed to vibrational frequencies.

Theresa Bullard:

And this is where like even the whole concept of

Theresa Bullard:

binaural beat brainwave entrainment, you know, is

Theresa Bullard:

when you wear the headphones and you have one

Theresa Bullard:

frequency coming in one ear and another frequency

Theresa Bullard:

coming in another ear, and maybe they're a little

Theresa Bullard:

bit different. Right brain hears one, left brain

Theresa Bullard:

hears a different. And they're trying to kind of

Theresa Bullard:

find agreement into what they're hearing. It's a

Theresa Bullard:

way to kind of trick the brain into synchronizing

Theresa Bullard:

the. The hemispheres, because over the corpus

Theresa Bullard:

callosum, they have to combine the signals. And

Theresa Bullard:

actually inside the brain, you get a third

Theresa Bullard:

signal, which is the difference between them. And

Theresa Bullard:

they call that the binaural beat. And then you

Theresa Bullard:

can kind of tune that beat frequency in to the

Theresa Bullard:

specific brainwave levels that you want to

Theresa Bullard:

entrain the brain to. So that's one way to do it

Theresa Bullard:

with sound. But, you know, and like, a lot of the

Theresa Bullard:

sound baths are really popular these days. And,

Theresa Bullard:

you know, when people are in a sound bath, you

Theresa Bullard:

know that they're using the gongs and the bowls

Theresa Bullard:

and the, you know, the chimes and whatnot as a

Theresa Bullard:

way to. To create a vibratory. A harmonic

Theresa Bullard:

vibratory environment around you, which then will

Theresa Bullard:

impact the cells of your body, it'll impact the

Theresa Bullard:

ears and nervous system. Everything will receive

Theresa Bullard:

that vibration and be entrained into it. Because

Theresa Bullard:

we are. We are multivibrational. We have the

Theresa Bullard:

capacity to vibrate at many different levels

Theresa Bullard:

based on, you know, which level of your being

Theresa Bullard:

you're looking at. And so when a group of people

Theresa Bullard:

get together, who people tend to entrain to, I

Theresa Bullard:

think often really depends on who's got the

Theresa Bullard:

strongest will. And they're, you know, kind of

Theresa Bullard:

the. They're either the big personality, you

Theresa Bullard:

know, or the one that everyone kind of finds some

Theresa Bullard:

sense of rapport to. Or, you know, you might have

Theresa Bullard:

two different people who have. Who are a strong

Theresa Bullard:

resonator. And then from there, somebody. It's

Theresa Bullard:

like, what are they choosing to engage in? Are

Theresa Bullard:

they choosing to engage in the positive? Are they

Theresa Bullard:

choosing to engage in the negative and the drama,

Theresa Bullard:

for example? And then they'll kind of gravitate

Theresa Bullard:

towards who they want to be resonating with. But,

Theresa Bullard:

yeah, you can definitely get amplified effects as

Theresa Bullard:

well when you have a group of intentional people

Theresa Bullard:

all come together. And, you know, this has been

Theresa Bullard:

shown by some of the work of Lynn McTaggart, for

Theresa Bullard:

example, with her intention experiments is, you

Theresa Bullard:

know, you. You bring a group of people together

Theresa Bullard:

and they're all focused on the same. The same

Theresa Bullard:

kind of process and the same objective or serve

Theresa Bullard:

ultimately service to bring some healing to

Theresa Bullard:

somebody else. And that it amplifies the Field,

Theresa Bullard:

it amplifies the effect when you have many people

Theresa Bullard:

coming together and focusing on the same thing.

Meredith Oke:

Interesting. Yes. I just, I think about that

Meredith Oke:

because, you know, the work that I'm doing, we're

Meredith Oke:

all doing together. So much of it is virtual. And

Meredith Oke:

I've been feeling lately that it would be really

Meredith Oke:

for the next level. People need to see each other

Meredith Oke:

in person and have that. That in person coherence

Meredith Oke:

and entrainment happening. And I'm excited to see

Meredith Oke:

what everyone. What breakthroughs people have and

Meredith Oke:

what ideas they come up with when they are in

Meredith Oke:

each other's physical presence.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah. You know, I think that there's a lot more

Theresa Bullard:

people these days who are doing these intention

Theresa Bullard:

experiments remotely. Right. And it's. They're

Theresa Bullard:

coordinating in time and maybe not in the same

Theresa Bullard:

space, but in the same time. And yet they're

Theresa Bullard:

linked through the Internet. And I think that

Theresa Bullard:

through the morphic field idea, the morphogenetic

Theresa Bullard:

and sort of the entanglement of consciousness, I

Theresa Bullard:

think we could tune into a unified field.

Theresa Bullard:

However, I would say that when you get together

Theresa Bullard:

in person, you have a much more immediate and

Theresa Bullard:

direct impact on the physical. So in person, work

Theresa Bullard:

is always going to have an amplified effect

Theresa Bullard:

versus trying to do everything remotely. And I do

Theresa Bullard:

think that we need that contact. Like, humans are

Theresa Bullard:

social creatures, right. We're. We're going to be

Theresa Bullard:

thriving more when we have that social

Theresa Bullard:

connection, not just through technology, but

Theresa Bullard:

through touch and through actual sharing of auric

Theresa Bullard:

space. You know, that we're in each other's

Theresa Bullard:

fields and there's a much more immediate ability

Theresa Bullard:

to entrain and cohere with each other when we're

Theresa Bullard:

together in person.

Meredith Oke:

Right. Yeah. I've really noticed that we moved

Meredith Oke:

around a lot, especially during and after Covid

Meredith Oke:

and I just locked into my people because I had.

Meredith Oke:

My people were online and that's where they were.

Meredith Oke:

And I recently. Where we've been where this is

Meredith Oke:

our third year here and I went and joined a

Meredith Oke:

committee at. In the children's school district.

Meredith Oke:

And my husband was like, are you really sure you

Meredith Oke:

want to do that? You're kind of busy. And I was

Meredith Oke:

like, I need to go to a meeting with. With human

Meredith Oke:

beings who are in the same room with me. Even if

Meredith Oke:

we're gonna if to talk about, you know,

Meredith Oke:

fundraising for. For the school party, I don't

Meredith Oke:

care what the top like, I mean, that is

Meredith Oke:

meaningful to me. So if I do care. But it was

Meredith Oke:

just what you're saying. I just had this deep

Meredith Oke:

need after so much virtual work to be with human

Meredith Oke:

beings at the same time and just work on

Meredith Oke:

something together.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah. You know, I remember during COVID seeing a

Theresa Bullard:

video that I think just captured the whole

Theresa Bullard:

importance of physical contact is. I mean,

Theresa Bullard:

people, number one. We know how many people were

Theresa Bullard:

having like mental health issues and depression

Theresa Bullard:

and so forth come because they, even if they

Theresa Bullard:

could get online interaction, they couldn't get

Theresa Bullard:

in person interaction and they were really

Theresa Bullard:

isolated. But there was this one video of these

Theresa Bullard:

kids who were like, you know, kids that were best

Theresa Bullard:

friends and they were really young, like under 8

Theresa Bullard:

years old, and, and they couldn't be with each

Theresa Bullard:

other and they couldn't hang out. They could talk

Theresa Bullard:

to each other over zoom, maybe during COVID but

Theresa Bullard:

it was like once some of the restrictions started

Theresa Bullard:

to reduce and they were able to get the kids

Theresa Bullard:

together for the first time, the kids like came

Theresa Bullard:

together and they hugged and they started crying

Theresa Bullard:

and crying and crying. You know, they're just. It

Theresa Bullard:

was so healing for them to be able to connect

Theresa Bullard:

again in person. Right. So we need that, we need

Theresa Bullard:

that contact and we need physical. To hold

Theresa Bullard:

physical space with each other. And I think

Theresa Bullard:

that's super important for us to not lose touch

Theresa Bullard:

with.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, yeah. Oh, what a beautiful story. Yeah, we

Meredith Oke:

really do. And when we're, when we're grown ups,

Meredith Oke:

we're like, oh, no, I'm fine. I've got all this

Meredith Oke:

happening and skip over, skip over things here

Meredith Oke:

and there. Okay. I want to just touch on before

Meredith Oke:

we, we wrap the idea of alchemy, because one of

Meredith Oke:

the things that I real appreciate about your

Meredith Oke:

work, I appreciate you, the clarity of your

Meredith Oke:

communication. I found I find you to be very

Meredith Oke:

grounded. Even when you're talking about

Meredith Oke:

extremely high level metaphysical stuff. There's

Meredith Oke:

a groundedness. But also, and this is like so

Meredith Oke:

dear to my heart, it's very practical. I find

Meredith Oke:

whenever I listen to you or watch one of your

Meredith Oke:

shows or one of your teachings, it always comes

Meredith Oke:

back to like, okay, so what does this mean in

Meredith Oke:

life? And you have a beautiful book where you

Meredith Oke:

have taken some of the concepts of alchemy. We

Meredith Oke:

don't have to go through all of them, but use

Meredith Oke:

them as a template for our own personal change,

Meredith Oke:

for organizational change, for societal change. I

Meredith Oke:

just wanted to touch on that briefly because

Meredith Oke:

again, it's a concept that is super esoteric to

Meredith Oke:

most people. I would say this audience probably

Meredith Oke:

would have some nodding acquaintance with alchemy

Meredith Oke:

in a positive way. But you have a deep

Meredith Oke:

understanding of it and also a very practical

Meredith Oke:

application. So just quickly tell us how you see

Meredith Oke:

alchemy and what that concept means through

Meredith Oke:

physics. And through personal, organizational,

Meredith Oke:

societal change.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah. So in my book, it's called the Game

Theresa Bullard:

Changers, Social alchemists in the 21st century.

Theresa Bullard:

And it's is. It's a easily digestible book. But,

Theresa Bullard:

you know, so it's not huge. It's. It's small, but

Theresa Bullard:

it's packed with, like, just the essence. And,

Theresa Bullard:

and it's. I love it because it's like, okay, yes,

Theresa Bullard:

there's alchemy from the scientific perspective.

Theresa Bullard:

And, and here's, you know, like my, My first

Theresa Bullard:

exposure to alchemy. I had. I was well into my

Theresa Bullard:

PhD studies at that point in physics, and I've

Theresa Bullard:

been very much programmed with the mindset of

Theresa Bullard:

alchemy. Well, that's just pseudoscience and, you

Theresa Bullard:

know, the Middle Ages trying to turn lead into

Theresa Bullard:

gold. And we know that's not possible. And, you

Theresa Bullard:

know, this is my mindset around alchemy. When,

Theresa Bullard:

When I first started getting exposed to it, I was

Theresa Bullard:

really searching for practical ways to bridge

Theresa Bullard:

science and spirituality. And, you know, I

Theresa Bullard:

thought, well, there's some great philosophy

Theresa Bullard:

around Eastern mysticism, for example, like the

Theresa Bullard:

Taoism or Buddhism, like these philosophies with

Theresa Bullard:

quantum physics. And it's. It's all great, but

Theresa Bullard:

it's just theoretical or hypothetical. You know,

Theresa Bullard:

it's just philosophical, and it's not grounded.

Theresa Bullard:

It's not applied. And so I knew that if we wanted

Theresa Bullard:

to bring it into more applicability and

Theresa Bullard:

tangibility and. And really, you know, move the

Theresa Bullard:

field forward, if you will, of bridging signs and

Theresa Bullard:

spirituality, we had to make it more practical.

Theresa Bullard:

And so I was searching for that. And then alchemy

Theresa Bullard:

just kept kind of being presented to me. And

Theresa Bullard:

every. Like, there's at least three times where

Theresa Bullard:

it came up. And I just said, oh, no, I'm a real

Theresa Bullard:

scientist. I don't have anything to learn from

Theresa Bullard:

alchemists. But it just kept coming up, and it

Theresa Bullard:

kept coming up. So the universe was just like,

Theresa Bullard:

really giving me.

Meredith Oke:

All right, all right.

Theresa Bullard:

Lots of messages. And so I knew enough to, okay,

Theresa Bullard:

I'm going to listen to the universe and just

Theresa Bullard:

like, empty my cup for a moment and suspend my.

Theresa Bullard:

My skepticism about it, and I'm going to read a

Theresa Bullard:

book. And as I started reading about it, I

Theresa Bullard:

realized that the true gold of alchemy is the

Theresa Bullard:

wisdom itself. That it's not just about trying to

Theresa Bullard:

turn lead into gold, as we were sort of taught in

Theresa Bullard:

our science history classes, but that there is a

Theresa Bullard:

wisdom of the process of transformation. And it's

Theresa Bullard:

basically at its most fundamental level, it's how

Theresa Bullard:

to take Any. Any substance, any being, any, you

Theresa Bullard:

know, whether it's an herb or you or a mineral,

Theresa Bullard:

and take it from a raw state to a more purified

Theresa Bullard:

and perfected state. And so it's this process of

Theresa Bullard:

transformation, and there's these stages that we

Theresa Bullard:

go through to get from that raw material to that

Theresa Bullard:

perfected material. And. And these principles are

Theresa Bullard:

universal. It's not really about our psychology.

Theresa Bullard:

It's not about our belief system. It's not about,

Theresa Bullard:

you know, what we think about it. It's about.

Theresa Bullard:

This is just what happens. Even. There's even

Theresa Bullard:

alchemy at a cosmic level. You know, like how we

Theresa Bullard:

go from just like space dust to star formation.

Theresa Bullard:

You know, there's an alchemy at work that happens

Theresa Bullard:

there as well. And so in my book, I talk about

Theresa Bullard:

there's these seven stages of alchemy. I think it

Theresa Bullard:

would take a bit too long to go through all seven

Theresa Bullard:

stages of it right now. But the basic formula is

Theresa Bullard:

this process of separating out the parts and

Theresa Bullard:

purifying them. And then once they're purified,

Theresa Bullard:

we bring them back together in a more synergistic

Theresa Bullard:

way by recombining, and then we'll go through

Theresa Bullard:

another round of separating again, purifying

Theresa Bullard:

again, elevating, and kind of raising their

Theresa Bullard:

vibration and then bringing them back together

Theresa Bullard:

and finding, you know, that perfect balance and

Theresa Bullard:

combination of those elements. And they talk

Theresa Bullard:

about what are called the three essentials in

Theresa Bullard:

alchemy. There's the physical material itself.

Theresa Bullard:

They call that the body. There's the

Theresa Bullard:

consciousness, the unique sort of attributes and

Theresa Bullard:

qualities, the characteristics. They call that

Theresa Bullard:

more the soul. And then there's what they call

Theresa Bullard:

the spirit, which is the essence that makes it

Theresa Bullard:

alive. But at that, spirit is kind of more

Theresa Bullard:

universal. And so they. They always talk about

Theresa Bullard:

these three essentials. And there's different

Theresa Bullard:

forms of alchemy out there. You can see it in

Theresa Bullard:

Chinese medicine. You can see it in Ayurvedic

Theresa Bullard:

medicine. You can. You have the Western system.

Theresa Bullard:

There's multiple approaches to alchemy. It goes

Theresa Bullard:

all the way back to ancient Egypt, probably even

Theresa Bullard:

goes back further than ancient Egypt. And it is.

Meredith Oke:

It.

Theresa Bullard:

You know, the more I started to learn about it,

Theresa Bullard:

the more I was like, wow, this is what's

Theresa Bullard:

happening in. Even in our personal growth, right?

Theresa Bullard:

And. And also, like, wait a second. Science came

Theresa Bullard:

out of alchemy, like, before we were. We called

Theresa Bullard:

ourselves scientists, we called ourselves

Theresa Bullard:

alchemists. And in the alchemists, like, they did

Theresa Bullard:

not separate the spirit or the soul from the

Theresa Bullard:

body. They saw it all as really essential, all

Theresa Bullard:

three of them. Whereas materialist scientists

Theresa Bullard:

kind of started separating out the mind and the

Theresa Bullard:

soul and the spirit and said, that's for the

Theresa Bullard:

realm of religion. We're going to just focus on

Theresa Bullard:

the material part of it. We're going to focus on

Theresa Bullard:

the body, the chemistry, and the bottom line. But

Theresa Bullard:

all of our modern medicine, our modern

Theresa Bullard:

pharmacology, also herbal medicine and

Theresa Bullard:

homeopathic approaches, and all of these fields

Theresa Bullard:

came out of alchemy. So to me, I see it as a

Theresa Bullard:

perfect place to. If we want to reconnect science

Theresa Bullard:

and spirituality, we got to go back to its roots,

Theresa Bullard:

which is the alchemical tradition. And I like to

Theresa Bullard:

apply it to our personal growth. So as we are

Theresa Bullard:

evolving our own consciousness, our own soul, and

Theresa Bullard:

we're going through various stages of growth, we

Theresa Bullard:

go through these same seven stages. A bit of

Theresa Bullard:

breakdown, a bit of, you know, kind of emotional,

Theresa Bullard:

like, not sure what to make of all of this. And

Theresa Bullard:

then we get back to clarity, and then we find our

Theresa Bullard:

new self. And then we, you know, we go through.

Theresa Bullard:

Sometimes we might have to root out deeper

Theresa Bullard:

impurities and go through a little bit of a dark

Theresa Bullard:

night and let go of attachments. But then

Theresa Bullard:

ultimately we break through and we come into

Theresa Bullard:

higher and higher practices. But what you'll find

Theresa Bullard:

in the higher steps, like the later steps of the

Theresa Bullard:

alchemical process, most of the first four steps

Theresa Bullard:

kind of will happen naturally if you're even

Theresa Bullard:

somewhat applying yourself. But the final three

Theresa Bullard:

steps really require a lot more personal

Theresa Bullard:

attention, will patience and knowledge and higher

Theresa Bullard:

keys or wisdom of how to move those steps forward

Theresa Bullard:

successfully. And often what people get to is

Theresa Bullard:

they get to that point where they're starting to

Theresa Bullard:

feel good again after they've been through a

Theresa Bullard:

transformational sort of phase. They get to the

Theresa Bullard:

point where they feel good again, and they get

Theresa Bullard:

back in their comfort zone. And then they don't

Theresa Bullard:

actually complete all the way through. So I feel

Theresa Bullard:

that when you know the alchemical steps, it

Theresa Bullard:

really gives you a roadmap to. To keep moving

Theresa Bullard:

through all the stages so that you can perfect it

Theresa Bullard:

and stabilize it and integrate it rather than

Theresa Bullard:

kind of backsliding again. And then we can apply

Theresa Bullard:

this not only to ourselves, but we can apply this

Theresa Bullard:

to the world, to human collective consciousness

Theresa Bullard:

and our societal transformations that we're going

Theresa Bullard:

through right now. And these are some of the

Theresa Bullard:

things that I cover in the book as well.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And that.

Theresa Bullard:

That's.

Meredith Oke:

I found, as I was saying, I found super helpful.

Meredith Oke:

And I do remember that part where. Because you

Meredith Oke:

have to remember how. How many stages there are,

Meredith Oke:

and you have a breakthrough and especially, you

Meredith Oke:

know, if someone's been unwell and they get, they

Meredith Oke:

get better and, and then you, you feel unwell

Meredith Oke:

again and it's like you've, it's, or you fall off

Meredith Oke:

or the problem comes back and, and I remember

Meredith Oke:

there's a part in the book and you're like, no,

Meredith Oke:

wait, you're not finished. There's still more

Meredith Oke:

stages. Don't give up yet. Like that first, it's

Meredith Oke:

almost like that first breakthrough is really the

Meredith Oke:

beginning.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah, yeah, it's the midpoint. But it's sort of

Theresa Bullard:

like when you're climbing a mountain and you get

Theresa Bullard:

to base camp, you know, you get to this sort of

Theresa Bullard:

halfway point and then you look and you're like,

Theresa Bullard:

oh, I've still got all that mountain to climb.

Theresa Bullard:

You know, it really takes more determination and

Theresa Bullard:

discipline and dedication to getting all the way

Theresa Bullard:

through. But it's really rewarding when you do.

Theresa Bullard:

You'll have huge sense of accomplishment and

Theresa Bullard:

victory when you, when you do it. And you know,

Theresa Bullard:

you can just look at, for example, I mean, just

Theresa Bullard:

look at Covid by itself and the travel industry

Theresa Bullard:

and what the travel industry had to go through

Theresa Bullard:

when Covid hit, right. I mean, the rug got pulled

Theresa Bullard:

out from under it. The whole thing was shut down.

Theresa Bullard:

Right. It was a real like, like massive wake up

Theresa Bullard:

call. And, and, and so then they had to start

Theresa Bullard:

looking at, okay, what are our practices? How,

Theresa Bullard:

you know, how do we sanitize more, how do we make

Theresa Bullard:

sure everything's clean, how do we make it safe

Theresa Bullard:

again for travelers? Otherwise we're going to

Theresa Bullard:

lose the whole industry of travel. And as we

Theresa Bullard:

started to open up again, you know, there was all

Theresa Bullard:

these protocols that they were doing. You know,

Theresa Bullard:

they give you these sanitizing wipes. They, they

Theresa Bullard:

sanitized and cleaned all the seats. Seats and

Theresa Bullard:

all the tray tables and everything. And you know,

Theresa Bullard:

the, the, the airports had never been so clean as

Theresa Bullard:

that time and everyone was having to wear masks

Theresa Bullard:

and, you know, kind of be more mindful of the

Theresa Bullard:

impact that you have on other people that you're

Theresa Bullard:

sharing this space with. And, and where are they

Theresa Bullard:

at today? Right? What did they learn from that

Theresa Bullard:

experience and how much of, of those good

Theresa Bullard:

practices to clean up did have they maintained.

Theresa Bullard:

Right. And I mean, I travel a lot and I would say

Theresa Bullard:

they've backslid back to how it was before. And I

Theresa Bullard:

really hope that we don't have to repeat that

Theresa Bullard:

lesson again. Please know, I know maybe next time

Theresa Bullard:

we'll be able to get to it faster and you know,

Theresa Bullard:

pick it up faster. But it's Just, it's an example

Theresa Bullard:

of getting to that midpoint and you get

Theresa Bullard:

comfortable again and things kind of go back to

Theresa Bullard:

what seems normal. But, okay, now we're past the

Theresa Bullard:

hard part of it. And then you just sort of go

Theresa Bullard:

into that comfort zone and stop doing all the

Theresa Bullard:

extra good practices. But that's where the

Theresa Bullard:

backslide then starts to happen. So it's like we

Theresa Bullard:

have to continue and integrate those. Those good

Theresa Bullard:

practices and make them a way of life rather than

Theresa Bullard:

just, you know, kind of letting go of the good

Theresa Bullard:

practice.

Meredith Oke:

Right. All the things that we did to start to

Meredith Oke:

feel better or lose weight or not be depressed,

Meredith Oke:

we have to keep them. They have to become the way

Meredith Oke:

of life, not just a temporary solution to the

Meredith Oke:

problem.

Theresa Bullard:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

For a true alchemical change to occur.

Theresa Bullard:

Right. So we conquer our first nature, which is

Theresa Bullard:

sort of falling into the comfort zone and, you

Theresa Bullard:

know, that sort of laziness of the animal self.

Theresa Bullard:

And you gotta conquer that and, you know, apply

Theresa Bullard:

more the discipline and the good practices,

Theresa Bullard:

whether it's meditation, exercise, eating. Well,

Theresa Bullard:

sticking to it, rather than just going on this

Theresa Bullard:

crash course and then. And then dropping it all

Theresa Bullard:

together. We have to create those little

Theresa Bullard:

adjustments that become a way of life, and then

Theresa Bullard:

you just maintain it. Then you build a new

Theresa Bullard:

platform. Platform upon which you can rise

Theresa Bullard:

higher, but it's got to be integrated into your.

Theresa Bullard:

Your way of life for sure.

Meredith Oke:

And where do you see that we are as a collective

Meredith Oke:

through that lens?

Theresa Bullard:

Well, I have seen over the last. Since at least

Theresa Bullard:

2016, maybe earlier, but yeah, 2016, we. I felt

Theresa Bullard:

like we started going into a dark night of the

Theresa Bullard:

soul of. At least in the Western world, but

Theresa Bullard:

that's actually the fifth stage. So while it

Theresa Bullard:

seemed really dark and. And kind of fearful,

Theresa Bullard:

there was a lot of fear that we've been.

Theresa Bullard:

Humanity's been facing over the last many years.

Theresa Bullard:

There has actually been some forward movement

Theresa Bullard:

from an alchemical perspective. So it's. It's

Theresa Bullard:

the. This fifth stage, we call it the

Theresa Bullard:

fermentation stage. It's, you know, I like to use

Theresa Bullard:

the analogy of the butterfly, the caterpillar

Theresa Bullard:

becoming the butterfly, the metamorphosis. And I

Theresa Bullard:

do explain this in the book, but essentially,

Theresa Bullard:

caterpillar, as it goes into its chrysalis, it

Theresa Bullard:

completely breaks down into this soupy mess. And,

Theresa Bullard:

you know, so there's the breakdown of the old

Theresa Bullard:

system, but that old system kind of had lived out

Theresa Bullard:

its time. And there's a new. There's a trigger

Theresa Bullard:

inside the DNA saying, no, you have to evolve or

Theresa Bullard:

transform metamorph into this more beautiful

Theresa Bullard:

thing. But to go through that transformation,

Theresa Bullard:

that metamorphosis, we have to go through this

Theresa Bullard:

soupy mess. And there's this place where certain

Theresa Bullard:

old cells attack the new cells and then the new

Theresa Bullard:

cells have to kind of bond together and form,

Theresa Bullard:

stre, find strength in numbers. And then they got

Theresa Bullard:

to diversify and then eventually that new

Theresa Bullard:

structure starts to come through. So I see, for

Theresa Bullard:

example, in the world right now there's a lot of

Theresa Bullard:

new paradigm systems that are trying to move

Theresa Bullard:

forward and emerge. I mean, whether you're

Theresa Bullard:

talking like, just from the tech perspective,

Theresa Bullard:

you've got AI, you've got quantum computing

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starting to come forward, we've got all these

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wearables and stuff. From medical perspective,

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there's a lot of innovation happening in

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medicine. You've got blockchain. I mean, there's

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so many different new, new paradigm ways of

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approaching things that are starting to come in,

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but they're, they're fighting against the old

Theresa Bullard:

system because they're a threat to the old

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system. In a way. It's like, well, if we do it

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that way, you know, then this old way loses

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control. And so we're sort of in that struggle

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still. But I think that we're starting to make a

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breakthrough. It's, it's almost like that point

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where the butterfly is formed inside the

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chrysalis and then the chrysalis starts to break

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open and light shines into the darkness and you

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can, you can start to see that, oh, there's this

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new form that's emerging, but it has to kind of

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struggle its way out of the chrysalis. And, and,

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and you know, if you were to go and see a

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butterfly trying to struggle out of its it's

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cocoon or it's chrysalis, and you were to like

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feel sorry for it and try to intervene and help

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it out, it wouldn't get strong enough to be able

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to fly. So it has to struggle on its own to get

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out of that chrysalis, because that is actually,

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that struggle is what strengthens the structure

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and the wings of this butterfly so that it can

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actually, you know, take flight down the line.

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And, and even when it gets out of that struggle,

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it's going to need a little bit of time to rest

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and dry off and kind of regather itself before it

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finally can take flight. So we're kind of in that

Theresa Bullard:

stage where we're struggling out of the

Theresa Bullard:

chrysalis. There's this new paradigm coming in.

Theresa Bullard:

There's still a struggle with the old paradigm,

Theresa Bullard:

but we have to go through the struggle and it's

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not easy, but we're moving more and more into the

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light and out of that dark stage. Out, I think.

Theresa Bullard:

So I think we're in this transition at the

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moment. If you read my book, we're in this

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transition between the fermentation and the

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distillation stage. But here is where we really

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need to be conscious and intentional and

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proactive and disciplined with how we continue to

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move the process forward. Because if we don't

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participate with it, it will kind of backslide or

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it won't. It won't integrate into a new way of

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life. So we're at a really critical time on the

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planet and in our modern world. And so I think

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the people who really want to be part of that

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solution and be part of the change, they need the

Theresa Bullard:

right knowledge. And that's why I love alchemy,

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is because it kind of gives us that roadmap of,

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okay, this struggle that we're going through is

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actually worthwhile. It's part of the process.

Theresa Bullard:

And also, I think the new paradigm shift in

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consciousness that needs to happen is also out of

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this old Newtonian way of thinking and into a

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more quantum way of thinking. And so that quantum

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paradigm is something that we teach within the

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Quantum Learning Academy. And we actually have a

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program coming up in April in Reno, in Reno,

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Nevada, where it's called Iquantum, where we'll

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really take three days to dive deep into what are

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these quantum principles, and how do they apply,

Theresa Bullard:

what do they mean, and how can we adapt it as a

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mindset, and what does that do for us? And then

Theresa Bullard:

how do we actually achieve a quantum coherent

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state? We have our meditation technique called

Theresa Bullard:

the Quantum meditation technique that we guide

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people through to really learn how to achieve

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that quantum coherent state, or what are the keys

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to it. So very excited.

Meredith Oke:

That sounds fun. I'm going to come.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah. Well, you can learn all about it at

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quantumlearningacademy co.co.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so quantumlearningacademy co. Perfect. And

Meredith Oke:

there's live events coming up. I'm sure there's

Meredith Oke:

probably recorded material in there as well.

Theresa Bullard:

Yeah. We also have a webinar coming up that will.

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I think it's in early February that will be just

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sort of a free webinar to help people kind of get

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a sense of what is the I quantum event all about.

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And. And, you know, a little bit more of what we

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do. So that's coming up also. That's online.

Meredith Oke:

Perfect. Well, Teresa, I'm so glad that you

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followed your heart to leave academia. Their

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loss. But your work is, it's the framework of it

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is just such an important guide, especially right

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now. I'm just, yeah, I've been communicating with

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people lately. Just what you're saying. It's like

Meredith Oke:

we gotta stay alive, people. This is the moment.

Meredith Oke:

I don't know what's happening but, but, but we're

Meredith Oke:

here for it. So thank you. Thank you so much for

Meredith Oke:

being here and sharing your deep wisdom.

Theresa Bullard:

Thank you.

Meredith Oke:

Appreciate it.

Theresa Bullard:

It's been a pleasure. Thank you.

Meredith Oke:

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