Keith asks, what are your favorite birth charts? Stella of the Lotus System asks, what are the entry points to learning astrology?

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Hello, welcome to astrology hotline, where we

time to be starting this podcast, I would say. But we

from Stella of the Lotus system.

Awesome. Well, do you have any pressing matters to

no. No pressing matters. I kind of wish I had I

need to have some (Tristan: life is boring.) Yeah,

Is that is true. See if we just like recorded our

the typical two hours of me and meandering conversation

two to cancer risings, attempting to do a

Circling on it eventually, for

hours and hours. Yeah, we circle like hogs before

Gotta get comfortable, you know, it's true. Um, our

informative dive into the the asteroids. But yeah, I would

I like the term pet chart.

I mean, I would definitely call my chart a pet

you want me to get started? I do. Sounds good.

often goes along with being a monk. He wrote poetry and

for a Catholic monk to do. And he was also a social activist.

quiet. Thomas Merton had a stellium of planets in his 12th

six if you count the North Node.

Yeah, six six planets and and or five planets

He had Venus conjunct the midheaven in Sagittarius, which

justice. So I think that's pretty symbolically fitting. And

Venus also rules his third house. He's a prolific

Yeah. And the third house also has

entered monastic life, he was 26 years old. And using a timing

Interesting. I feel like you've really ended up selling

keeps a keeps coming up for me in client

know, not super alternative by any means. But nonetheless, his

So you kind of get that harmonizing element two, yeah.

Yeah, that's a good, that's a good

complicated technique of perfections, which I you know, I

religion, you've got the 12th House representing, you know,

cold when he was waiting there because he was like, in front of

Just having to wait to

yeah, there's so just to give a little more

restricting or limiting quality, there's also a quality of

some of the potentially more positive significations, you

But yeah, in their frequently asked questions on their

the 12th house in its more positive manifestations. Yeah.

else.

Yeah. Yeah, it does, though. Jupiter is at 29

Yeah. And he, his life was very unusual. And

made his life and work extremely public.

Yeah. Pretty renowned, well known, ascetic monk, seems

Yeah, and, and Venus is also, you know,

the public eye. And it's a good, it's a good rule of thumb, for

concealed sort of brought out into the open and made public in

I believe traditionally, they said that it made the

Yeah, the angular, the angular houses are

their personal will to a higher will to, you know, in their

communication. You know, they tend to eat their meals in

being a monk is living a life of constant prayer. And, you know,

by a planet in the 12, who's living a monastic life would not

lives of his brothers because he was attend Adding to all of

autobiography, he just started getting fan mail like people,

Yeah, well, so he has, you know, speaking of talking

applying to like a conjunction or strong aspect with mercury.

you know, that was my favorite. That's my

technically not that traditional definition of a mutual reception

Yeah, or if they're not even in or, like varying degrees

Very shortly, like after he said it was right after he started

After his autobiography came out, I think

Yeah, yeah. When Mercury applying to his, the ruler of

And something an important interpretive principle

whatever planet it's most closely configured to and being

You Yeah. Yeah. Also takes on the quality of Saturn

things. So I don't know that I remember you saying something

So right. Yes, yeah. They complained about not

Yeah, just the North Node like in the 12. Like just kind

Yep. Well, and also can't write enough and he

entered the order. And you know, that obviously shows up with

ruler of his seventh house is that mercury once again, which

relationships. And, you know, there's a sense in which he was

with a student nurse who took care of him at one point when he

his nurse to meet and secrets and they had like a bottle of

Saturn Venus opposition pretty well, like Venus in Sagittarius

Yeah, but I find that interesting, because with Venus,

with the midheaven. The religious authorities, you know,

sometimes it's, it can be a little more slippery, a little

relationships. Those options were available to him.

Yeah, that's, I feel like that's a very 10th

at the wrong time, depending how you want to look at it. And an

chart is saying. Yeah. Another fun thing I just noticed is that

practice, that comes up a lot with dating and casual sex and

romance involved there. So the ruler of Thomas Merton's fifth

house and I find it kind of funny that he fell in love with

Yeah, I mean he also like he like to work too right now

its medieval style.

I don't think it's that dissimilar. I think

it's like to live in a religious order. And it is a very

TRAPPIST monasteries generally do, you know, they'll do farming

prayer and chores and work and in a very regimented, strictly

Six houses of the nature of Mars. Opera stuff to do.

Yeah. I live with someone who has Mars in the

I think that whenever I see Mars in the sixth house, I

Well, and it's a funny, the sixth house is a

know, it at the same time, it feels very busy. And, you know,

for yourself, or, you know, achieve some sort of a goal.

and the dishes are piling up, you know, I've got a gotta worry

Yeah, no, yeah, it, I think it was think of like a,

Yeah, you don't get a generally speaking with

the background. And the exception to this, you know, is

generally work that goes sort of unseen and on lauded in in a

for hours but I'm really curious to hear about your favorite

Yeah, so my favorite chart or my my pet chart that

Ferrell is a comedian, well known for his role in like 1990

listeners are least somewhat least heard the name Will

retrograde and being very tightly squared by Saturn in the

chart because it's important for context. Will Ferrell is 11th

with Neptune pretty closely. And it in turn is ruled by Mars in

that by a lot of traditional standards, it's kind of a gnarly

just being a very offbeat and goofy character. Get into it

whatever the established whatever, you know, is normal

Isn't there also, one of one of the key

supposed to be.

That's the essence is that nothing is really funny

with this very Martian perspective, which, you know,

him. When he realizes when he laughs for the first time, and

and he just found that outrageous, outrageously funny.

I can't I can't help thinking about the movie

doesn't look like the other elves way too big to be like CS

Oh, yeah. And even just yeah, the Saturn square,

appearances, can can signify deception, or putting on a false

I really liked that because that's one of those

overlooking, like, I don't really know what to do with

having Saturn plates a certain way in your chart means that

much more sort of neutral or subtle ways in actual people's

Yeah, that's me. And again, that's what I love about

probably a lot of the time in general, you know, it just plays

side. Like a glass is always half full sort of dude. Which

anesthetic a lot for Neptune.

It suits says that Martian moon.

Yeah, is Yeah, it's like, soothing, like sort of

too.

Yeah, that that Jude the first thing that popped

is you know, one of the best of the best things according to

season when I think of, of Jupiter and you know, just

Oh, yeah. Particularly Jupiter in Leo, even though it

free.

Yeah, it's got a bit of essential dignity where

yeah. And just Jupiter in Leo in general, just the sort of

kind of think of like Ron Burgundy, who just kind of very

There's, I'm also thinking about his

a comedy show that was starting to struggle a little bit. And I

second chance, is, you know, it, I mean, it's a it's not this is

second chance, you know, you don't, you don't turn your back

Yeah, I really like that, actually, I pick up a ton of

that are maybe by traditional standards, very good or

direct. Oh, that's lovely.

It's also making what's called a helical rise. Where it

So that kind of come out on the stage of in this case, the 11th

sharpness. This chart is life is. So he went to school, for

out what he wanted to do back in like 9090 9091 He took odd jobs

Not because he like stole it, he just like misplaced it. And

it's a little struggles with that sort of organization and

on that overcoming, being in an

Yeah. But I mean, it ended up working for him, or he

house year. So his seventh house would be in Pisces, which is

he discovered around that time, that he could make other kids

the sine based opposition with Mars and Libra. Like she would

between Mars and Saturn, with Mars ruling Aries and Libra

might be helping that, that situation out that helping those

planets isn't necessarily true. Like they're not not functional.

And we need that life would be very, not only

I have a lot. I have an incredible number of clients who

astrology.

When that's Yeah, and that's, I guess, why I ended up

quite effective. You know, they don't necessarily mean you know,

yeah, but you know, I do think it's a point I

extreme. You know, most of us have, like, a couple of pretty

going to be pretty average. And you know, they're going to be

because they force us to recognize the ways in which we

really good at in life, like what their greatest skill is,

That's the stuff you have to work on, you know, exactly,

you got to find a way to make it work. And it's

you know, losing $300 I'm sure those were subjectively not

Yeah. Yeah, actually, he. So it was during a 12 house year

know, he had like, lost these jobs, didn't really know what to

his wise Yeah, we should be grateful. Thank you

Yeah. And also, interestingly, the diagonal

it.

Yeah, it's one extreme to the other. It's like

that seems totally mundane. And then, you know, 15 years later,

Yeah. And yeah, with him, would have been 1992, that he

say that as well? Yeah. It's like a major study the technique

I don't know if I've studied it way more. But

depends on what part of the cycle you're in. But if you're

Yeah, yeah. Well, in his case, he was in a larger Gemini

commercials. And then, in 1995, is when he became a member of

Those signs when those signs are activated, the those are

little ways that the Saturn in the eighth house squaring You

of comedy group.

Oh, that's fitting

exactly the comedy grouper or you started putting

something is called. That is you know, prominent in the person's

it's very extreme, which is also a very

Yeah. extremely funny.

extremely funny. Well, that is, you know, I think

know, Venus, and maca trough going

on now. I'm really curious what you have to

Well, he has Venus in his first house. In its fall in

one of the epithets of Aphrodite from the

Yeah, Venus is, you know, good times, pleasureful times

telling jokes. You know, like he discovered

And I was actually looking for one, trying to find

easily treatable condition, but also a kind of funny one called

over everybody? You know, and actually, there's a Saturn kind

Yes, Saturn is supposed to be stopping things.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a fun one.

There's this isn't something that you know, I

astrology, like most of us are, and I would constantly run into

silly, goofy kind of sense of humor? And he's got mercury and

I think to just running with that. One of the things

The knots going in circles.

Yeah. Yeah. Not straightforward, but like kind

in the moon makes its rounds, you know, once a month, so it's

which is probably in an underrated

his midheaven. So there's definitely some lunar qualities

moon as being like a servant with servants and like a king

Yeah. Yeah, I'm just looking at some pictures of

Yeah, so like, that's very awkward smile, like,

like, yeah, like, and I don't know what but yeah, the

that sort of discomfort as opposed to just

Yeah, exactly. It always looks sort of awkward and

Yeah. Unless you have anything more to say about

think that's all I got for welfare oil.

So our next question comes from Stella of

a bunch of good beginning resources. But one I would say

you know, breaks down what each of those three things means. And

everything like that. And she uses a couple of chart examples

ruler ships and traditional house meanings. But you know,

start figuring out your birth chart pretty quickly. And she's

Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I'd necessarily say that.

it was for me like, initially, I've watched a ton of YouTube

traditional astrology, but like a lot of the books on

I mean, they're more focused on the planets, and

Yeah. And compiling a list of free resources. But what

techniques are correct, or what interpretations of a sign are

you know, their experience of having, you know, the sign

It's learning astrology is very overwhelming.

was a starting point to get me thinking about the planets and

certainly like a valid way of learning, it can be very

at it and then branching out, but I mean, there's, there's no

it did. No, you're right. It depends on your personnel. It

like, are you going to be easily overwhelmed

videos on YouTube, or googling stuff, the materials you're

Yeah. Yeah, actually, I mean, the idea of starting with

other prominent astrologers is the early part where you're

again. So I mean, it might be very nice for somebody who is

A blogger on Tumblr, very kindly, organized,

beginner friendly to more advanced videos. And I think,

But you know, at least starting there, and because like his, his

there are going to be things about, about his approach that

oh, there are these other alternative ways of looking at

Yeah, no, yeah, you're right. I mean, really, the place

it's like, for me, it was kind of having to dive face first

of like, find a way to to sweat, which is

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So yeah, that may not be the best

can put everything together. And that doesn't happen. Usually,

to, yeah, you have to, like be gotta get it, you got to know

to, like, a B have not only maybe your personal beliefs, you

different set of factors or, or ideas that challenge that and,

I think one of one of the challenges that I had

are very, very extreme. You know, you'll see like Saturn

symbolism actually works out. So, like, stay grounded, and

life. It's not prescriptive. It's some people will disagree

into those sorts of extreme interpretations in traditional

inspired by depth psychology and Jungian psychology, where those

people's first introduction to astrology, when they Google, you

as a child, or you've undergone some horrible trauma, or they

kind of up to them, like how they match that the symbolism in

astrology you're learning from, you're gonna run into these

Yeah. If you have, like, any sort of academic background

you're with astrology or sort of in fuzzy territory of, you know,

of salt with it, because I can't tell you how many like, like, so

differently doesn't mean that, you know, that is the one way to

is, you know, specifically like, oh, this means, like you said,

the more extreme ones, but yeah, I reserve judgment. Yeah.

Yeah. And there's, I mean, there's a place

a language that we can use to describe our experiences, it

your chart that you know, if there are houses or planets that

astrology, like anything that's sort of on the fringe can be

straightforward entry ways and whatever entry ways you use to

I mean, I guess eventually, you know, after you

those people. But I don't think either of us would claim to have

Yeah, we have, we have our sort of take on it.

looking at it and figuring out which ones suit you. I mean, if

as well. They, they write like, a ton, I feel like they write

are really self taught, like they didn't follow a particular

valid entry point, you know, like you find some some sort of

astrology.

Yeah, that's, that's exactly, that's pretty much how

experiences with their charts, maybe how things tend to

That's a really good way, a really good way of

looking at you know, and they happen to have a public birth

put in the show notes. But I find the best resource for the

actually, like, show you what the source is for the birth

Worth Yeah, I ran into that issue today. Actually, I

that data bank about accurately tell you where it comes from?

welcome. When one other thing that can be kind

whatever. In order to learn astrology, the system that's

which is Aries, all the way through until you get to the

history of astrology, the meaning of the houses was

which system people are using. And, you know, I think Kyle and

traditional meanings of the houses. And there's some pros

understand both the signs and the meaning of the houses.

if you use the 12 Letter alphabet, you've kind of reduced

itself. And you know, what those different parts of the sky

meanings, the older meanings of the houses that are actually

of the tradition of what the houses have historically met is,

Yeah, for me, I actually, I, I haven't kind of come full

way of looking at the houses, because there is overlap. In

Great. Just yeah, don't get stuck on it. The problem,

house, there's some. But you know, you could also do that

Mundi can sort of be seen as the first sign and in some ways,

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's one of the

match up with that? symbol, and sort of figuring that out

can help you remember certain elements of the houses

Yeah, that I mean, I also started with the 12

their particular triad?

Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, so I feel like, you know, I'm

will also hopefully serve as some food for thought about how

Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't listen to me in particular, if

overdoing.

overdoing it overdoing?

Yeah, yeah.

But that might be just the approach that

Yeah, some people like that, that sort of thing. But if

for free learning resources that I think will be helpful for new

I'm very excited for this resource.

Yeah, I mean, I'm excited about it to probably keep

Yeah. And that's, that's the tough thing.

money, you know, to find a lot of books on the internet to that

astrology school through YouTube. So I'll track that.

beautiful and ancient art.

Yeah, yeah. And if you're really just want to learn a ton

because you're listening to this one, so you

Yeah, hopefully that point in the right direction.

Sounds good to me.

What do you what do you have going on these days?

do I have going on? Well, before I talk about

Very noble, exalted sun,

and maybe that is me that is a sun in Aries

Look at me and how generous I'm not putting myself

No, I always put other people first. That's what

hour double episode out of it. So thank you so much for that.

Yeah, absolutely. And if you have you know, specific

That's right. In terms of what I've got going on,

you're not going to interest in this cheap forever,

still getting used to reading charts in a

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preferable and not just any review. Like don't

one would, you know not be as helpful? If you don't like

Keep that one in your pocket.

But stuff like that does really help. So if you're a fan,

Oh, yeah, I've been slacking off on that.

And finally, don't be shy. We still are looking for

Yes, please. That would also really, really

Yeah, weird ones will get special preference. But with

If you have a question you'd like to hear