Hey there, Common Sense Ohio fans! It's your favorite trio - Norm, Steve, and Brett - here with all the latest and greatest discussion from our latest podcast episode. We covered a lot of ground in our tantalizing chat, so let's dive right in.

First up, we delved into the potential decision by the US Supreme Court regarding Chevron v. Natural Resources Defense. Needless to say, we didn't hold back on our disappointment with what we think will be the outcome. We made sure to weigh in on the implications and the impact it could have on administrative agencies' rulemaking power.

We also expressed our concerns about the power of administrative agencies, with our good old comparison to "brown shirts" drawing some laughs and nods of agreement.

Of course, we couldn't resist getting into the nitty-gritty of regulatory issues affecting industries. From oil to shrimp to lobsters, we had a lot to say about the impact on prices and consumers. And don't get us started on Congress and the Republican Party - we had some choice words for their priorities and actions.

We couldn't help but chuckle and shake our heads at the Ohio legislature's proposal to require an ID for online pornography viewing. As parents ourselves, we understand the importance of safeguarding what our kids are exposed to, but we also raised some valid doubts about the effectiveness of such a requirement. Oh, and our subterfuge discussion? It's a doozy!

Now, if you're a Jordan Peterson fan, you'll be glad to know we discussed his recent comments and the controversies he sparked. We didn't hold back from diving deep into societal norms, historical perspectives, and the impact on democracy and free speech. And don't even get us started on the mismanagement at the White House!

Overall, it was an episode packed with thought-provoking discussion and a healthy dose of humor. We encourage you to listen and share your thoughts with us. After all, our podcast is all about common sense and open dialogue, and we love hearing from our listeners.

Till next time, stay curious and keep your common sense radar on high alert!

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00:00 Tokyo Rose was a propagandist for Japan.

05:00 New president of Argentina, Javier Millet

11:27 Dimon's World Economic Forum statement on MAGA.

40:29 Regulatory burden causing industry costs to soar.

42:14 Republican disillusionment leads to Trump's popularity.

42:33 Ohio looking to pay kids to go to school

51:14 US Supreme Court deciding on Chevron deference.

58:26 Ohio General Assembly and ID's for porn.

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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

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Steve Palmer [: 00:00:00

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Steve Palmer [: 00:00:46

We got lots to talk about today. And as always, we're gonna hit World War 2 in history today. We were talking about this off the air a little bit. So what's interesting, sometimes you get these World War 2 tidbits that don't date back to the 1941 through 45, but maybe, like, 1977. And what's interesting about what happened this day in 1977 is that, Richard or who did I say? Gerald Ford pardoned Tokyo Rose. Who was Tokyo Rose? Well, she was the, she was the radio personality, I guess, we would say, who was a propagandist for Japanese radio. I think all of us at the table had to do a little bit of Wikipedia digging to figure or to learn a little bit about this to talk. But I knew about Tokyo Rose sort of just because, maybe movies or pop culture or something.

Steve Palmer [: 00:01:38

But it turns out she, she left after Pearl Harbor, went back to Tokyo, started working for a radio station or broadcast, and then became the propagandist on behalf of, some Japanese radio. It turns out now they're saying, at least Wikipedia is saying for whatever that's worth, that there was more than just 1 Tokyo Rose. Rather, it was probably a conglomerate of women who, we're doing the same thing in the during the war, but she would sort of spout out the the woes of Japanese victories to the Americans and talk about how we're losing the war. There was a survey done years later that basically said most of the people saw it for exactly what it was, a propagandist. 10% of those surveyed apparently said no. They they were a little bit disturbed by it. Most of them, I think, were actually enjoyed it. It became sort of entertainment, and didn't really care one way or another, tuned into her maybe on purpose.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:29

After the war, she tried to come back. We wouldn't let her. Eventually, we put her on trial for treason. She was convicted. There's a lot of backstory that I don't wanna get into because I don't really know it. But apparently, some witnesses were, let's say, influenced to lie against her. At least that's what came out later. She was nonetheless convicted of treason.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:46

And then in 1977, Gerald Ford pardoned her as if it never happened. And, who who would have thought, and I'm sure she is proud to know now wherever she is in the heavenly world that, we're talking about it right here at Common Sense Ohio. So Yeah. And Japan invaded Burma on other in other news Yeah. On the state in 1942.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:05

And I'm I'm really Struggling, you know, inside not to do one of those cheesy Japanese female impersonations. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:03:15

Don't do that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:15

No. I'm not gonna do it, but, like, I'm holding myself back because I've got Disney Bugs Bunny stuff and Looney Tunes.

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:23

Oh, yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:24

You know, I mean, all the wartime portrayals of the Japanese, as they called them then Japs. Yep. You know, we're we're extremely vicious, and and, like, I know those, and I really I'm struggling. So I'm I'm not gonna do it Don't do it. Because in today's climate, that would be seen it would be myth totally Understood.

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:46

Well, I guess I didn't realize that the allied troops actually gave her that name. Yeah. Yeah. That, I I guess, assumed it was the reverse. So we called her that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:03:55

Yeah. We called her Tokyo Rose.

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:57

I didn't okay. Interesting.

Steve Palmer [: 00:03:58

The Tokyo Rose that we are talking about is Iva Toguri, t o g u r I.

Brett Johnson [: 00:04:05

Yeah. So Yeah. Oh.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:07

Can each you all.

Brett Johnson [: 00:04:08

Yeah. There we go.

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:09

Go. Yeah. So lots lots going on. I mean, look. We should probably talk about James Bond because Spectre is meeting as we speak. Anybody who doesn't know what I'm talking about, it's the World Economic Forum.

Brett Johnson [: 00:04:23

That was,

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:26

not the evil in this. So nobody

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:27

gets upset when you do a German imitation.

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:30

Oh, no. No. That's something

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:30

that's something that's something that's Austin Powers. What? No. No. No. I'm talking about, like we're we're talking about Klaus.

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:38

It it right. He sounds like an like an evil villain, like an evil sixties spy James Bond spy villain. Spectre. These guys are speckled.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:47

Yeah. Or the or the guy in, you know, gold, whatever it was. I mean, he's saying

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:51

Gold member.

Brett Johnson [: 00:04:52

Gold member. You

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:53

know? No. The James Bond.

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:54

Gold finger.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:55

Yeah. Gold finger.

Brett Johnson [: 00:04:56

I

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:56

expect you to die. No, mister Bond. I expect you to die. You know? And, of course, They have this elaborate laser thing that's gonna go up his middle, and you're like, come

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:09

on. You know? I mean,

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:10

any any real Any real dastardly guy would just get out of pistol. Done.

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:15

Get the job done. Quit monologuing.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:18

We're gonna leave you alone in the lab, you know, to to deal with the laser that's slowly inching its way forward.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:25

Uh-huh. But, look, anybody who wants to be scared and freaked out about what's going on in the world, go read about the World Economic Forum, origins and what they really wanna do, but then feel good about this because we talked about, the new president of Argentina. Right? Is that it? Javier Millet. Mhmm.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:39

Yeah. Right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:39

Right. He had the best speech of all time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:41

Oh, yeah. He he gave them the what for at Davos.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:44

Do not let's just let's just do it. Do not surrender to the advance of the state. The state is not the solution. The state is the problem itself. You are the true propagandists of this story. And rest assured that as from today, Argentina is your staunch Unconditional ally, long live freedom. Today, I'm here to tell you that the western world is in danger, and it is in danger because those who are supposed to have Those who are supposed to have to defend its values of the West are co opted by a vision of the world that is inexorably leads to socialism and thereby to poverty. Unfortunately, in recent decades, motivated by some well meaning individuals willing to help others and others motivated by the wish to belong to a privileged cast, The main leaders of the western world have abandoned the model of freedom for a different versions of what we call collectivism.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:30

So he stands up and just skewers.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:32

That's Ronald Reagan.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:33

Spectre.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:34

That's a that's a that is a southern hemisphere Ronald Reagan speech.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:38

Yeah. I mean, they, and these people these people think that I mean, they're They're the ones of their little, you know, they have their not shareholder capitalism, but the the principal whatever they're talking about, the principal capitalism or the corporations are they Basically, wanna control the world through their corporate Right. Activities, through their own vision of what the world should be

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:57

One world government.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:58

One world government, for all for the good of the people. Right? This is like the, CS Lewis. Like, the the worst kind of tyranny is the one that comes masked as, as as help.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:09

Remember when they met years ago in Seattle, and the grunge rockers just went wild? I mean, at the time, I wasn't appreciating They're anti globalist perspective, but, actually, young people of a certain age, certain generation were really onto these people Way earlier than the rest of the world. Like, the young people in particular were super afraid of 1 world government.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:35

Right. I mean, look, it's

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:36

I mean, I'm talking correct.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:37

Like that ideology has killed, like, hundreds of millions of people in the last century, except it did.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:43

But if you talk to young people today Of that same age? Like, this is Seattle 15, 20 years ago?

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:49

Yeah. My back in the nineties.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:50

Yeah. I mean, they they were very suspicious of corporations running everything under a one world policy.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:58

And And then out of Seattle comes up to the

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:00

stars young people. Comes And

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:01

Microsoft or, what's the other big one that came from you?

Brett Johnson [: 00:08:04

Apple and

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:05

They're all out there. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:06

They're not. That's true.

Brett Johnson [: 00:08:06

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:07

But now today's young people and this is a broad Sweeping generalization, but I I see so many black booted, jack booted, you know, young people marching, you know

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:17

think there's this notion lockstep,

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:19

And they want everything to be the same state to state, country to country, around the world, one policy.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:26

Claiming diversity all the way through.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:28

No borders. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:29

And and And what's what's interesting to me is that it all like, they they buy this nonsense hook line at the sinker. Like Yeah. There's too many people in the world, so we need to have less. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:37

We're gonna

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:37

we're gonna destroy the world. So, you know, like, what's her name? Greta Van Thunberg or whatever her name is. Jeez. Like like, she's a she's a the kind of experts you wanna listen to. Right. But, you know, they they create these these sort of existential fears you. That that a a kid who's not even capable of, like, finding his classroom in college yet. They create these existential fears that that these kids buy hook, line, and sinker.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:00

And so now they're willing to give over their freedom to these to Spectre Yeah. To fix it for us. So we realized that, yes, if we don't do something, we're gonna destroy the planet. We're all gonna We have no future.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:12

So did you

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:12

We'd give me the power, and I'll fix it for you.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:14

Totally agree. Did did you catch, though, that I'm I I imitated a Swedish girl, But I I I can't do a Japanese girl. I mean,

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:22

I How how

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:23

dare are you?

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:24

It was actually pretty good too. How dare

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:26

you? How dare you?

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:26

I came on my sailboat.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:29

I mean, she is a complete whack job.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:32

Wind blew me here.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:33

And her parents, really, it's it's abuse, What they've done to her.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:37

They've turned into They've cranked the caricature on the left.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:40

And she went out there as really a minor.

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:42

How dare you?

Brett Johnson [: 00:09:43

How dare you?

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:44

How dare you rich people?

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:46

And He's you know, like, given the dais at the UN

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:49

You flew here on jets, and I came on my sailboat.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:55

Oh, well. Yeah. What what what can you say?

Brett Johnson [: 00:09:59

I mean

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:59

I take cold showers in the spring out in the back.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:02

So the hero, in addition to, Don't Cry for me Argentina. Is Madonna?

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:09

Or you're talking about Eva Peron?

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:10

Is, is, is

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:13

Didn't she didn't she play Eva Peron? I think Madonna. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's another one before that. But yeah. Right. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:19

Yeah. There's been a lot of

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:20

product. Avita. Avita.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:22

Yeah. Right. Right. Avita. Right. Yep. Which was missus Perron. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:26

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:26

Yeah. The Peter Perron. Yeah. I know. Right. Alright. Exactly.

Brett Johnson [: 00:10:28

You're there.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:29

Her husband

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:29

I didn't have to go

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:30

who hired all the ex Luftwaffe From Germany to come out.

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:34

All the Nazis went over there. Don't cry for me. So I think Klaus Barbie was caught.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:41

A bunch of them.

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:42

Right. Right?

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:43

And Brazil, Argentina. I mean, they were all over the place. Yep. Yeah. Colombia, whatever. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:10:49

Hitler still lives there too if you watch the the show, the History TV shows. He's still there.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:54

Yeah. Yeah. You wanna see a really scary movie. See, see, you know, the boys, in Brazil.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:01

Boys from Brazil. Oh, it's a great movie. Is that Robert Shaw's in that, I think?

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:05

Well, Gregory Peck.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:08

Gregory Peck.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:08

Gregory Peck. I mean, super scary. And Marathon Man. There's there's a bunch of movies in that vein that are super Mhmm. Super freaky.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:16

Yep.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:17

But the other guy who really made a splash on you know, for our team, if so to speak, over in Davos was, Jay Jay

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:27

You're talking about this

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:27

week? Dimon, the head of Chase Bank. He went on a big rant at at, the World Economic Forum and told his fellow panelists They need to get off the MAGA thing that what MAGA stands for for the average American is a balanced budget, No race based anything. We're all equal. We're all judged on content of character and, Low taxes. And he said, furthermore, he said, so let's talk about this guy who keeps espousing MAGA, and he mentioned Trump. And he said Trump was right about NATO. The other countries are now paying their dues.

Steve Palmer [: 00:12:10

And this isn't this is no this is no right wing guy either. This guy's just looking at you. Right? Right?

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:14

No. JD Dimon. No. No. Yeah. And and so and and then he went down a long list. He you know, the economy was up. Oil was down.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:22

I mean, unemployment was down. You know, things were humming along pretty good, low taxes. And, you know, he he put it out there, and he said, so for you to demonize, For us here at the WF to demonize MAGA as something Hitlerian or something, you know, that's racist is is crazy. And and it was good to hear, refreshing to hear. Somebody tell the truth. Somebody say that,

Steve Palmer [: 00:12:49

for god's sake. Somebody tell them the truth.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:50

And Somebody tell me A single on the other side so now we have people responding on our Facebook page. This is great. So somebody give me a specific thing that Trump did in the propagation of white supremacy or one thing he did

Steve Palmer [: 00:13:10

They're they're gonna pull a statement out of context. They're

Brett Johnson [: 00:13:12

gonna say some signature there.

Steve Palmer [: 00:13:13

A statement actual policy.

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:15

I'm talking about policy, and I'm talking about if you read everything in context. One thing he did to, to centralize power in DC or to create A a 4th Reich. We had a guy on our guys, we had a guy on our page accuse us of propagating a 4th Reich. And I just I'm I'm coming apart here over that. So I'm like, dude. Dude, I did not. Dude, dude,

Brett Johnson [: 00:13:44

4th right. Do you know

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:45

what you're talking about? Nazi Germany, like, with their policies.

Steve Palmer [: 00:13:50

Dendos Dendos is the 4th right. That That's what's so crazy to me. So so fascism is where the government controls the private industry and the business. Right. And what that's exactly what these people are doing it, except they're mean, this is it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:03

Well, Biden is suppressing speech. He sends out members of the government to meet with Big Tech and ask them to suppress their plat speech on their platforms.

Steve Palmer [: 00:14:14

Mhmm.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:14

That is government action.

Steve Palmer [: 00:14:16

Yes.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:17

And that's what that judge in Louisiana said, the federal judge. He said this was federal this was government action to Suppress the first amendment.

Steve Palmer [: 00:14:25

Well, this this out. What Diamond was saying

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:27

That's Biden.

Steve Palmer [: 00:14:28

Sort of dovetails with something that Jordan p Jordan Peterson, I think it was on, Bill Maher show a couple years back. A long time back.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:37

Oh, they had great debates.

Steve Palmer [: 00:14:38

And and he he made a comment. And he's just like, alright. One thing, guys, about Trump. What do you do about, like, the 50% of the population that supports him? Right. And, you know, Peterson wasn't necessarily defending the 50% that that supports Trump nor is he impugning. And all he was saying is, like, look, people. This is half your country.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:56

Right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:14:57

And you're talking down to them as if they're idiots, morons, fascists. Like, now they're calling us they're call like, this guy on Facebook calling me a fascist.

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:05

Are you kidding me?

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:06

He doesn't know the first think about me in the 1st place. Right. But, you know, I'm not. And and so if you if you supported Trump for whatever reason, Even if you're just like, alright. These both these choices aren't the greatest. I'm gonna take the one that I think is gonna do the less damage. Right. I mean, or, Like, you know, it it you're now I'm a fascist only because of that choice.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:27

It's so insane to me, and it is so It's totally insane. Stalinistic.

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:31

If we were fascists, we would have deleted that guy's comment on our Facebook page. Sure. It's still there.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:37

I think it's great.

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:38

It's still there.

Brett Johnson [: 00:15:39

If we were fascists, we wouldn't be doing this Show us we are doing it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:42

That's right. Yeah. We wouldn't be asking for input. Exactly. We would take

Brett Johnson [: 00:15:45

we would dictate. This is what it's gotta be. This is

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:47

what we need to do. Putting our nuggies on the line. When when you state your opinion and you're pro speech and you're pro, you know, democracy now, Like, you're targeted.

Steve Palmer [: 00:15:58

Well, look. I have done nothing my entire career but fight the power of the government on behalf of the little man. Right. I have done it my entire career. Me too. You know, I people get in trouble, whether they're guilty, whether they're innocent, I go into court, and I make sure that they're treated fairly. Right. And, you know, There could be nothing more anti fascist than that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:18

No question.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:18

I take the power of the government. I question it at every single level. And if you happen to be the one that thinks that you can wield that power, Spectre, and and do it without killing a 100,000,000 people, well, then I don't believe you.

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:29

Well Right? You know? And and what side is trying to take people off the ballot and not allow Democratic organs to function.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:38

This is what is what Dimon says, and this is what Dimon

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:40

is saying. We we have now, like, 6 states that are waiting for the Supreme Court to decide on this disqualification on the ballot thing. What could be more anti democratic than taking choices away from the American people of who the hell they wanna vote for? And I'm voting for DeSantis, Says, by the way, I'm not a Trump guy, so don't give me that bullshit either.

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:02

Well, look. If I I had this conversation slash discussion slash debate with my eye doctor, of all people, certainly after January 6th happened.

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:09

Did you see eye to eye then?

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:10

Oh, we didn't see eye

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:11

to eye.

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:11

He had the he had the

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:12

he had He had

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:13

he had the magnifying glass, so he had an advantage. But we're so sitting there talking. I finally asked a similar question which you just asked, Norm. I just asked, alright. So tell me one thing that Trump did to to deprive you of any individual freedom or right. What are

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:24

you talking about?

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:24

And it took him a long time. He just stared at me. He goes, well, I guess he tried to take our right to vote away. I said, no. He went to court. He went to court and tried to challenge the election and lost. Alright. So how else would you want to do that? And you could say, I guess, in the extreme that that's what you think he was trying to do on January 6th, But, you know, that that we I don't wanna get go down that debate.

Steve Palmer [: 00:17:43

But, like, you know, you could still post stuff on social media during Trump's era no matter what side you were on. You could still write whatever you wanted. Oh, big time. He wouldn't have used the government to throttle your speech on any of the social media platforms. He didn't try to control what he means. In fact, he he invited press conferences. He he was like, like, he he thrives on that debate. He thrives on the criticism.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:05

Like, he wanted the people against him at the press conference

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:08

so he

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:08

could so he could argue with them.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:10

Totally free speech. How many press conferences has Biden done? Yeah. Yeah. He's the most absent president, you know, in modern history.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:18

Like, I feel horror actually, I you know, you you pray for the man now because you just I don't wish him physically capable anymore.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:24

I don't wish him ill.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:25

You can't even get off the stage. So, look, you know, this this perception that somehow Trump deprived you of individual freedoms is nonsense.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:32

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:32

It's utter nonsense, and and and somehow it's become the talking point on the other side. And I think that's what Diamond is saying. It's like,

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:38

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:39

You can't tell all the people that supported him that they're fascist.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:43

Because look at the facts.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:44

Because they don't feel that way.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:45

That's right. They want they want a He he said and he also mentioned immigration, Dimon did. Yeah. He said Trump Trump had a handle on the immigration problem.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:56

At

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:56

least it

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:57

was trying. He said it's what's going on now is unsustainable.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:00

And then this political fanfare or this political seesaw that is getting played where Now the Dems are saying, well, here's our proposal, and if it's it's a Republican problem. And I actually heard what's her name? Who's this press secretary for Biden? Oh, J. J. P.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:14

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:14

She's like she blames Trump for the for the immigration problem.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:22

it's their fault. I'm like, but did you see what they're proposing to deal with this? It's like

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:25

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:26

The same more of the same. Right. Let people in and then then make it easier for them not to show up for their hearings. You know, it's like It it's so absurd. Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:34

Yeah. And and it's like quit passing the buck. I mean, I remember, well, 3 years in, Trump was throwing some I don't remember the specifics, but He threw it back at well, it was the the the the previous administration one. You've had 3 years.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:47

Yeah. 3 years.

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:47

Stop passing Even if it wasn't that correct. God, stop passing the damn bar.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:52

Even if that's the case, it's now your problem to fix.

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:54

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:54

And and you gotta fix it. So look. Uh-huh. For Biden to say that he's not responsible for the border. His lunacy he actually ran on that platform.

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:03

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:03

They were they were they were amassing at the borders waiting on the election so they could cross. It's it's just such Orwellian nonsense.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:11

There is so much more that Trump wanted to do on the border, but he did not have any cooperation from Republicans or Prats. Now look. On his proposals.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:20

And look. To to those who would call me and you or any of us,

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:25

that's their the wall, for example. Said just a few miles of it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:29

I'm not a big fan of how much money Trump spent. He did a lot of things that I wasn't, his I think his COVID

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:34

Irregular. Specialty.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:35

Was it was insane to me. Right. You know, I didn't so it's not

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:39

like I'm calling. Fauci.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:40

I just try to call it like I see it. You know? Right. So this is a I don't know where you got going up next, Norm, but, like, we've talked about

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:47

Well, let's go back to Peterson, if you don't mind. You brought up Jordan.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:50

Okay. Yeah. He had a or he had his his case was finally

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:52

Yeah. Why don't you go ahead, Steve? You probably know that, you know I

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:55

I don't know all the details, but whatever whatever high court in Canada Mhmm. That was reviewing his suspension from the practice of psychology has affirmed it. So, basically, what Jordan Peterson, the Canadian authorities acute or or his licensing bureau. So here, we would have, like, the medical board

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:14

Professional board. Board or

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:16

the psychological board.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:17

They they forwarded him to a reeducation camp. They had he

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:20

had to go be reeducated about sensitivity or whatever else. And it was because not of what he did in his professional practice, but what he said in his podcast and in the media. Yeah. And so, basically, they said, we don't agree with what you're saying. So now you've gotta go be be reeducated or we're taking your license. Right. And Peterson, of course, said no.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:38

No. Right? No. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:40

You can order it. I won't do it. You can take everything, and I'll give it. I think his his quote was something like, there is nothing that I care enough about, not to

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:50

You could take you could

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:50

take anything from this battle.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:52

That's right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:21:52

Didn't the Nazis do that?

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:54

Yeah. I I I look. I don't know. I'm trying to did they

Brett Johnson [: 00:21:58

I thought there was some kind of, like, reprogram you know? Oh, sure.

Steve Palmer [: 00:22:01

We don't know.

Brett Johnson [: 00:22:02

Part of the stream, but you kinda left going, okay. Okay. Come back in here. We're gonna retool your brain a little bit.

Steve Palmer [: 00:22:06

Stalin did it. The Nazis. Called him education camps.

Norm Murdock [: 00:22:09

Well, I'm just I'm just looking at this.

Steve Palmer [: 00:22:11

Somebody just go read the Gulag Acapellego.

Norm Murdock [: 00:22:13

Exactly. I just read this stat. The Nazis, over the course of their 12 year run, had 44,000. Just let that number sink in. 44,000 reeducation facilities.

Steve Palmer [: 00:22:29

4,44,000. But, look, this is this is this is ubiquitous in corporate America now. You have to go to sensitivity training. You have to go to these classes. You have to talk about like, particularly after the BLM stuff came out a few years ago. It's like the guys were getting that sent off to these, education programs to be reprogrammed on how you look at things. I mean, this is scary, scary stuff.

Norm Murdock [: 00:22:49

So Buchenwald, for example, Buchenwald, started out as a reeducation camp where you sent Germans who were not patriotic enough Mhmm. To suit the Nazis who weren't nationalistic enough. Realistic enough. Right? And they would go dig trenches and, you know, take this pile of rocks and put it over there and then bring them back and, You know, busy work like that. And they would reintroduce them into society after their education, you know, in 3 or or 6 months or a year. But, of course, what did it eventually turn into? A death camp.

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:22

Yeah. Concentration camps.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:23

Because that's where

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:24

it goes. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:24

That's a progression.

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:25

But, anyway, Jordan Peterson's case, he appealed up to their highest court, and they up they upheld a suspension. And, you know

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:30

So, Steve, you want you wanna laugh her? I think I know the specific broadcast Content that got him in trouble, and it was with women. Okay? And what it was was about How society is getting away from the idea of what is attractive to men and trying to insert this idea just like mister Wexner's company did in his show recently, where you take over size women, and you try to say that's a healthy body

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:05

Right. Stop. Stop. You're lying.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:06

And and and and you're lying. And so what Peterson was saying wasn't that he he disliked these women or that they weren't valuable people. He was simply saying they are being trotted out there, you know, fat, dumpy, out of shape, and being told that that's acceptable. It's not for their health. It's very unacceptable. And look. That's heart attack stuff. That's diabetes.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:31

And that's all he was Trying to say Mhmm. And instead, they turned that into fat shaming. Yeah. And and that his license ought to be pulled Because he's not sensitive.

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:40

I think you're right. I think that's what what they quoted, but it was clearly, it was the tip of the iceberg. Like, they had been after him for the

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:45

whole time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:46

But that was a pretext.

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:47

That was a pretext for it. But, you know, it's the the the over the weight thing is interesting because if you go back and look at, say, Renaissance type paintings, the women are always heavier, particularly the the royalty women are always heavier. And it was just

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:57

a sign

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:57

of opulence.

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:58

Sign of opulence and and and wealth and

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:00

Paul Rubens paintings. Yeah. Classic example where they're very fleshy.

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:05

Yep. And, you know, that went even if you look back to Marilyn Monroe, she was quite voluptuous or, Well, the buxom would be the word, I suppose. But Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:13

You

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:13

know, a little heavier.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:14

Jane Mansfield.

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:14

Jane Mansfield. Right. Like, the the, like, the ideal certainly changes. I'm I'm talking this through from all viewpoints.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:20

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:20

Because, you know, what becomes attractive, changes. And right now, there's this thing towards the dad bods. You know, the guys are, Not me, of course, but, you know, the dad bod. I'm not in shape like I used to be, and you're a dad, so you have time, and you're working, whatever. So Right. Like, it's sort of the same thing, but and that is sort of catching on. And I, you know, I guess it's not impossible that what becomes attractive in a society can change and is fungible. But what you're saying is Jordan Peterson wasn't saying that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:47

He was saying you're lying to these people and telling them it's okay and healthy when we know that it's not. Right. And I think it's equally unhealthy to go over the top and be these fitness

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:56

guys. Direction.

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:57

Absolutely. There's this, you know, 0% body fat and everything else. I mean, that's not a healthy way to live.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:02

No. Anorexia is not attractive. But but

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:05

don't don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining as Josie Wales would

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:09

say. Right. Right. Right? Well, it's a shame. You know? It's a shame, and they don't, they do have a bill of rights in Canada, but it's not enforced. And they passed it something like 35 years ago. It was a big deal. And it was the 1st president Trudeau under his administration where they passed the Canadian Bill of Rights ensuring the right to free speech.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:31

But, man, they do not their court system does not enforce their bill of rights Like ours does, or I hope ours continues.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:39

Yeah. Continues to do. Exactly.

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:40

So have you have you just as a quick aside Yeah. Have you have you, Watched any speeches or heard interviews appear, or whatever the guy is who's running against Trudeau. No. I haven't heard. Go check him out. He's awesome. Wow. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:54

I mean, he's a classic libertarian, and he calls it like he sees it. So it's like, there's one reason an apple orchard eating apples. And, the the Whoever's interviewing is like, so how do you explain the fact that, so many fascist or or right wing extremists are are following you? And he's like, Who exactly is is that? And he keeps chomping on his apple. Well, you know, but just everybody knows. No. No. No. You said it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:18

Who who who are you talking about? And what what right wing tendencies are you talking Like, he just stops him at every 2nd, calls him out. And his speeches on their floor of their of their, parliament Parliament. Right. Is, they're great. He goes back and forth with,

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:32

truth. Holder now?

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:33

Yeah. He's the conservative party leader. Wow.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:35

That's fair. Is there

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:36

an election this year?

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:37

I don't know when it's coming.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:38

Okay. Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:39

And that guy's been president of Canada for a long time now.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:43

Yeah. Seems like it. I don't know I don't know how it works or what their

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:45

system is. Anyway, it's worth watching because he's sort of like the Argentina guy. You know, he's just calling it like he sees it. The the point is there's a little bit of a backlash going on against Spectre and their evil world takeover efforts, and not the least of which is, I think, shifting gears. I think you probably got some Ohio news.

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:00

Oh, yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:28:00

That that I think Sure. The the New England Fisherman case is is the most significant US Supreme Court case that we are going to see

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:06

It's fantastic.

Steve Palmer [: 00:28:07

In our time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:08

Yeah. I mean, if it gets decided the right way, it'll be fantastic.

Steve Palmer [: 00:28:11

Yeah. You would say, what do a bunch of fishermen have to do with the most sig significant case? Well so what happens is we have learned in our country to let the administrative state govern. And anybody who's listening to me in this show, in any other show, or any other talk, or dinner, or whatever, I believe that this is the downfall of Freedom in our country, and this is the biggest threat to democracy, is the rise of the administrative state. And when Trump said I'm gonna go drain the swamp, don't think he had any idea of what he was really grappling with here and how much power the administrative state has. And one of the regulatory bodies, I forget which one it is, the the purveyor purveyor of safe fishing, we'll call it. Mhmm. Some administrative Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:28:48

Fish management. Body Fish management, something like that. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:28:51

That operates under the now so we have 3 branches of government, guys. We have the legislative, the judicial, and the executive, and then we have this weird little 4th branch called the administrative. And if you go back to, like, who is 1900 president, Woodrow Wilson. Okay. And he sort of said, look. We don't need you know, we can we can rule. We can create these administrative bodies, and we'll just decide everything by policy. So he basically creates the administrative state.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:18

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:18

And that has grown to be this behemoth, this Leviathan, ironically, is

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:22

You could even take it back to Andy Jackson in the, Bank of America.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:26

Yes. You can.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:27

You could you could go back that far.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:29

And it it's directly linked. But irrespective of that history, the point is now, the administrative bodies like ATF, or this administrative agency we're talking about Right. They just promulgate rules.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:43

Or the DOT transportation.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:44

Department of Transportation. Yes.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:46

I mean, they just go Department

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:48

of Energy.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:48

They just go off.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:49

EPA is a very notorious one.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:51

So, Steve, can I just Do a real thumbnail Yes? And then back to you. So little thumbnail for people that don't know. There is a huge up in Steve's Law Library, If if it was physically present, he's probably got it all electronic. But if you laid out the statutes of the United States From inception to the present day, and you lined them all up on a bookshelf, and then you laid out all the code of federal regulations.

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:19

It's a CFR, they call it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:20

The CFR that's been promulgated and enabled by the the legislation, it would far outstrip The amount of paper, the by by, like, orders of magnitude in terms of the size of that library, and those are considered laws. The regulations, it sounds soft. Right? Those are laws that you can go to jail. You know, I mean, you can you can lose your home. The the really bad things can happen when Congress has not Passed that law, but they've passed an enabling law that creates the Department of Transportation, and then Minute transportation makes it illegal for you to say, remove your bumper or move the height of your bumper. And if you do that, you go to jail.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:09

So that though that long bookshelf became the

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:12

law federal regulation.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:14

Came became the law because of change administration. Be because every 4 or 8 years?

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:18

No. Yeah. Because necessarily.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:20

No. Not necessarily. Administration walking in and kind of Sometimes. Changing the way they look at things?

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:25

So no. No. No. Here's what happens.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:26

The

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:26

the administrative agencies themselves have rule making power. They get to make their own decisions.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:31

Really affected by Who's in who's in the White House?

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:33

It is. Because the White House the the administrative state of government, that branch of government sits under the executive branch. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:41

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:41

So the executive influences it directly. So here's how this plays out. And it may be that the executive branch or the president would say, hey. You guys go pass pass a rule like forgiving student loans and sign some executive order and say go do it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:55

Half of $1,000,000,000,000 By executive action, Biden tried to do, and the Supreme Court shut him down.

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:03

And so it may be directly influenced that way, but a lot of times what happens is the rule is already in place, and this happens a lot in the world of gun regulation. The and maybe even in some tax regulation stuff. The rule is already in place, and it just depends on how any particular say, a different, party is in power. How they wanna interpret the rules? So you could look back at bump stocks, and under 1 president, they were

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:26

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:27

Getting enforced as perfectly fine. On the other, they're illegal and against

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:29

the law. Stay with student debt. So what the Supreme Court found was that Biden's pretext for forgiving 1 half of a $1,000,000,000,000 of student debt, What he tried to get away with was based on COVID

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:43

COVID. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:44

Legislation

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:45

Offering relief.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:46

Offering relief for interest rates. Do with education loans at all. And it was a it was really a a They prostituted, if if you will, the the language of the enabling law to cover something that wasn't even in that Subject matter. Mhmm. Over to student debt.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:06

So the first time

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:07

you Supreme Court said, hey. That's a bridge too far.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:09

Can't do it. So the first time I defended a case in federal court, And I'm like, alright. What's the law? And I put I wanna pull out the United States code and say what's my client accused of I'm just going way back 25, 30 years. I look I try to look at the law under which my client is charged. So what did he do? And I didn't find it there, lo and behold. It's in the CFR. Yeah. It's a so it's like, wait a minute.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:30

I don't get it. Yeah. How do how is this a crime? And I did really it took and people looked at me like I was stupid, and I was like, I don't understand. Yeah. And I had to figure all this stuff out. So it it comes down to how an administrative agency is interpreting a rule. Mhmm. And you can be prosecuted or not prosecuted based on who's in power.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:46

Happens all the time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:47

All the time.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:48

Happens all the time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:49

And the IRS, the

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:51

ATF, the

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:52

EPLs EPA's been in the news for that quite a bit.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:54

So so so in when when I When I was beginning in law school, they had a fairly rigid process, Brett, where what they would do, they would do a notice of, of of of intent to to pass a a new regulation. Okay. Okay? It was like an advanced notice, and they would invite The public in congress and any Tom, Dick, and Harry to write in or appear at a hearing Yeah. And make a comment on, say, a new internal revenue, service Regulation. Well, as this thing has become streamlined and greased because the Chevron case, For example, Scalia wrote

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:33

about Chevron here in a minute.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:34

Scalia wrote the opinion in 1984. Now he's he's very he was a very conservative justice. But back at that time, the notice of intent to pass a regulation, people were following at least The general outline of what they should. Biden, for example, in the last 3 years, has just rolled over the notice of advanced Publication. And and they're just putting in regulations with no hearings, no advance notices, No opportunity to comment. No opportunity to even read this crap. It's just the next day, executive executive order, basic.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:12

There's the executive voice doing under this I mean, you talk about emergency powers in various places.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:16

About Hitler shit.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:17

Yeah. No. It's this is we're gonna it's an authoritarian form of government.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:20

Damn. It's dictatorship. Ship.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:22

And it it's like it's been going on now for far too long, and the Chevron doctrine was designed this was you're right. It was a Scalia case. And, basically, they said we're gonna give due deference to the administrative agencies to figure it out. So congress will say

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:34

They'll be reasonable.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:35

Congress will say, Alright. We don't wanna figure all this out. We're gonna we wanna pass a law that protects the oceans, and then they punt it over to the Department of Oceans and say Yeah. Promulgate the rules Right. And give them due deference. Well, now that's under attack. And I've said this. I said, watch out what you watch out what you're doing, mister Biden, because what you're gonna do is you're gonna tee up for this court an opportunity to to gut the administrative state, and that's what we have right now.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:58

And I hope they do.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:59

I you're but you and I texted earlier on this. I don't think they will. I think

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:02

I don't think will.

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:03

I think they'll they'll exercise quote judicial restraint and only resolve this particular issue.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:07

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:07

And I think you're probably right, Roberts. It'll be this the the middle, bridge the gap and not do anything too far. Right. But if if it it it only is a half step closer, though. It'll keep going because Biden has gone too far. He's abused the power.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:21

Here's the specifics of the fisherman thing. It's kind of it's kind of it it shows you how it just barrels out of control. Yep. So they said in the legislation on herring fishing that the federal government had the right to put inspectors right on the boat Yep. Right there on

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:38

the The fishermen had to pay for it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:40

Well, that came later.

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:41

Oh, okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:41

Yeah. See, that's

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:42

Well, the inspectors

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:43

had to

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:43

pay for it. No. No.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:44

No. No. No. No. At first, It was first no. The regulation

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:47

she had to run backwards.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:48

The regulation at first was, we have the right to put an inspector on your boat. The fishermen are like, okay. Not Now I can't drink my, black red my Black Jack Daniels while I'm skippering, but okay. Yeah. You know, we'll go along with that. Then a few years later, They decided to file suit because the regulation got interpreted that they had to pay for it. Not only allow an inspector on the boat, But they had to pay, reimburse the federal government for this inspector. And they're like, hey, man.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:20

We can't afford that. You know, like, Right. And that and Congress never authorized that. Congress simply said

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:27

Figure out.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:27

You're allowed to figure out how to regulate herring fishing

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:31

And the same is going there's another one percolating down with the shrimp the shrimp boats in, on the southern coast. Right. And they they are now mandated to have certain safety nets so they don't snag sea turtles. Yep. And, you know, studies one of the things that, generally speaking, administrative regulations, If you're gonna explore the rulemaking power of the administrative body, there has to be some notice. Like you said, Norm, there has to be an opportunity, generally speaking

Brett Johnson [: 00:37:55

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:55

For those to comment on it. And then it has to be a reasonably related rule to a problem. Alright?

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:00

ANPR, advanced notice of proposed regulation. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:03

And then then it's gotta be rationally related. That's right. And so here down there what down there in the shrimp boats are saying, look. There's been in the history of shrimp boating, there's been 2 sea turtles caught snagged in nets. So there's no problem that they're trying to the the problem they're trying to fix is nonsense anyway. Yeah. And by the

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:20

way too too many.

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:21

That's too too many. And by the way Yeah. Sea turtles are flourishing down there, apparently. I don't know this to be true, but that's their argument. And Oh, warmer waters. It's costing them Sure. It's costing these fishermen a fortune. They can't do it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:32

Just putting the industry out of business.

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:34

Wet turtle t shirt contest. I can see why they'd go south.

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:37

So what what the Supreme Court is reviewing here is whether This regulatory interpretation is constitutional. See, but I think, Norm, they don't take that case, generally speaking. Unless they're gonna do something bigger with it. I think what the what what,

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:50

So the main lobstermen, Steve, another good example, is The coast guard in league with the EPA and, you know, other regulatory bodies has decided that They think the lobstermen are maybe over overfishing. So what they've done rather than address that directly, they've put a speed limit. You can only go so many knots out into the Atlantic and so many knots per hour back. And what the lobstermen are saying, What they're trying to do, right, is reduce our range

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:23

Sure.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:24

So that we can only get halfway out

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:26

To where the lobsters are.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:27

To yeah. Before it's Sundown, and it's too dangerous or whatever, and we gotta come back in.

Brett Johnson [: 00:39:32

How can you not how can you not control the numbers coming in? They do deer hunting. You You gotta you gotta tag. You get Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:38

You can just say you're only allowed to catch x amount of lobster.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:40

Or say Or or it has to be a certain size.

Brett Johnson [: 00:39:42

Right. A certain size, and that goes Whatever. But they

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:45

don't wanna do it. They wanna put them out of business.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:46

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:47

And this is a subterfuge to put them out of business.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:49

Subterfuge.

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:50

Oh my gosh. And,

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:51

And this is the kind of stuff that people are just, Like, in everything, farming. You talk to a rancher. If it rains real hard and there's a puddle, somebody comes along from the federal government and says, That's a body of water now. Yep. And you you cannot, put a tile underneath that part of your field and drain it Because, you know, once every 10 years, a puddle will establish itself. There'll be a few, you know, tadpoles and

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:18

These are the regulatory things that are putting our industries out of business. So when people say, why is gasoline so high? Because they're doing this they're putting these kinda yokes on all levels of of, oil drilling and transportation.

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:29

Absolutely.

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:29

You know, like the and I don't even know what they are, but it's like every layer of industry is getting yoked with some regulatory nightmare that they can't comply with, or if they do comply, that cost them a fortune. Right. So, you know, it's not just that they're raising prices. It's just that Their margins are getting thinner and thinner and thinner and thinner because of this crap. And, you know, and, like, when the shrimp boats, they're saying, we're going out of business. So, like, your shrimp, guess what's gonna happen when you go to Red Lobster. Yeah. Your lobster is gonna cost twice as much, and your shrimp is gonna cost twice as much.

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:00

And you're gonna say these damn people, they're you know, you're gonna hear people screaming. Oh, they're just gouging us. It's like, no. It it's not. Yeah. Do you think out of the blue, like, today, they they decided, guess what? We're gonna rip off the American public and start charging triple for lobsters and shrimp. It's like, no. No.

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:15

No. The market's bearing that price. And if it didn't, the restaurant next door would charge less.

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:20

Right? That's right. Right. Yeah. Well, there's a lot more to come. I mean, the the whole green energy thing, Congress hasn't passed a single law to enact any of these policies on electric vehicles, on, you know, the pipelines, on any on on

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:37

Well, get back to Solar. The bigger picture that we're talking about is what you just brought up is that we have 3 branches of government. Yes. The executive branch, the judicial branch, and the legislative branch. It seems to me, Norm, now this is your bailiwick, not mine, but it seems to me that all our congress does anymore is bicker about stuff, call hearings to grandstand, and then argue about 1 big omnibus bill on how much money we're gonna spend and how much we're gonna raise the debt, and then punt everything else off to these administrative bodies Right. While they go home to their warm fires at Christmas time

Brett Johnson [: 00:42:07

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:42:07

And, and and hang out with their spouses who are employed by China.

Norm Murdock [: 00:42:11

That's why people call it the Uni Party.

Steve Palmer [: 00:42:13

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:42:14

And that's you know, because because, really, in this month so I've been a lifelong Republican. My dad was a Republican, You know? And his father was a Democrat union steward, so, you know, we've been on both sides. But my point is That something fundamentally has gone wrong with the Republican Party, and that is part partially why Trump is so popular is because he's trying to bring common sense back in to a party that's totally lost its way. The Republican Party today based and I got a great example here in Ohio that we can go into. We brought up some last week on the housing stuff, But the Republican Party now is just a party that argues with the Democrats about how much to raise the taxes and how much to Fund some silly program or some designer thing that virtue signals about how much they care about Some isolated problem instead of letting the market work. Right? And and a good example here in Ohio Is this thing that, representative he's the he's the house majority leader, for the state of Ohio. His name's Bill Sites. I like Bill Seitz.

Norm Murdock [: 00:43:26

He's from Cincinnati. I know him. He's been in the house for, like, 24 years or something. He's he's been He's been in Columbus a long time representing people from District 30. He proposed just last week To pay Ohio students from kindergarten to 9th grade to pay them to go to school.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:48

Saw that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:43:49

In addition to to giving them yeah. I know, Sam. I know. In addition to giving them books, providing them a teacher

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:57

To pay them?

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:59

Those that that cash. That those that are inherently always not there. They want them to pay to come to school.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:06

So then you gotta pay them all. If you just Right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:08

And then you gotta pay the people that don't show up a little bit more, and then you gotta pay the rest the same.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:11

So can you imagine you're you're you're you're a 9th grader

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:14

This is a Republican bill, guys.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:16

And sit and sitting here With so, I mean, 1 out of 2 out of your class of 33 2 out of your class of 33 are getting paid to be there.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:25

So you gotta pay

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:26

to be there.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:26

You gotta pay them all.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:26

And you're somewhat well, wait a minute. Johnny and and April, they're getting paid $500 this year to be here? What is my cash?

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:32

I wanna be here too. Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:34

I don't wanna be here either.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:35

I'm here every day because I go to school because my parents tell me that I have to respect them and their choices.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:41

Let's reward bad behavior.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:43

Exactly.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:44

It's on it's it's it's it's out of control.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:47

Like, pay the people that go.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:48

So, Steve, like you always say, there's usually a law that already exists. There are truancy law.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:54

Right? Just enforce them. Yes. Duh. And if you can't, figure out a mechanism where you can.

Brett Johnson [: 00:44:58

Yes.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:59

You know? This is Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:45:00

He so, yeah, here here are the specifics. Districts could apply for the program, naming up to 2 school buildings with chronic absentee rates that put them in the top Quartile. Quartile. Excuse me. The state would pick at least 1 urban in 1 rural district to participate. Half of the kindergarteners and half of the 9th graders, so it's really only 2 grades, But half of kindergartens, half of 9th graders would be in a control group, which would be which would not get payments, while the other half would receive the cash incentive. So let's let's do a little Litmus test, you know, play 1 group against or

Norm Murdock [: 00:45:30

not even gonna go through.

Brett Johnson [: 00:45:31

Yeah. Exactly. Right. Districts would test 3 options for students that hit 90% attendance or higher, $25 payments for every 2 weeks and a $150 payment at the end of the quarter and 500 at the end of the school year.

Steve Palmer [: 00:45:43

I I can't remember.

Brett Johnson [: 00:45:44

Did they Pull this crap out

Steve Palmer [: 00:45:45

of their mouth. This is even remotely a good idea? I know. It's it's the commercial stuff. I forget the commercial, but it was like, they would take a kid, and they would, like, Do something unfair to him. And then he's next to somebody else who's gets all like the cookie. It's like and they're looking like, wait a minute. Where's And

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:00

this is just a good example. And they're also calling for high school graduation bonuses. Graduates could earn $250 upon Graduation plus 2.50 for a grade point above a b or better. Graduates with a GPA of 3.5 would receive 7.50. You know

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:15

what you get for graduating high school right now? A degree.

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:18

A degree.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:19

Right. That's your bonus.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:20

And if your parents

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:21

My god.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:21

If you're not raised in a household that values education, I don't know how you fix that, but it's not by paying certain kids and the other it's like, what would happen in the in the What would happen in the cafeteria if if every student gets, I don't know what, a a a an apple? But the really bad Kids who are truant, they get, like, Fritos, or they get Doritos or some kind of junk food that everybody else would like. But, you know, gosh, you're giving me a bruised apple.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:51

It's like, yeah, can you imagine There'll be total chaos. If I were paid to go to school and just be there? I I mean, think think of the debacle that causes in a classroom.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:03

Yeah. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:03

You're just gonna check out.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:05

You're gonna check out or or or worse, make it make it create disruptions enough that everybody else gets screwed.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:11

Because you know what kids are getting paid. You know what kids

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:14

get paid. Brag about. Of course.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:16

Exactly. So so brag

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:17

about it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:18

My daddy got a whole vibe of it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:20

Here are the stats. 24% of white children were chronically absent during the 2021, 22 academic year, But that number doubled for black children. K. K? Urban school districts have

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:31

a high race related.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:32

It is race related. To to certain degree

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:34

this as racist.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:35

I know. I know. And that's what my mind was going to before he brought this up. But it's like, but if we wanted to look at stats, here's what the state says. Urban school districts have the highest rate of chronic absenteeism.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:44

Okay. So why is that. You would have to say, why is that? And then take action from there.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:49

Throw money at it.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:50

It'll look good if we throw money

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:51

at it. It'll look good if we throw money at it. Look good. We'll all feel good at the end of the day. We both we, you know, mister Seitz send

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:55

keep voting me.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:56

I can I I can send, we did something good because it was we crossed the aisle because I'm a Republican? And, Danny, You're a democrat. We did something good today.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:05

As Thomas Sowell says, these kind of programs are never gauged based on the outcome, only the intent.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:10

Yeah. That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:11

You know? So our intent is to fix this problem, so we're good. Pat, you know

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:14

And and, again, it's a pilot program, so let's add one more thing that the school districts have To do.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:20

And the taxpayers have to fund.

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:21

It has nothing to do with education educating the kids. Exactly. It has nothing to do with it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:25

That's right. Nothing.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:27

There used

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:27

to be Truancy officers that would go out and find kids during the school week.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:32

Our gang? Yeah. You're out you're out playing hooky, and the truancy guy would come along with his little dog catcher net. Right. And taking it. Right?

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:38

It was a real thing, man.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:40

We're gonna go play fish hooky and no.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:42

And then the parents would get in trouble. The parents would get Fine. Yeah. They would be hauled in front of a magistrate.

Steve Palmer [: 00:48:48

Still exist. I mean, it I mean, the the laws are still in the books. I used to do truancy cases.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:52

Like to see the Stats, I'd like to bring the FOP guy in, you know, our friend. I'd like to bring him back in here and ask Brian. Hey. Brian Steele from the FOP, who's a great guy. It's not his Policy to do this. He's representing the officers, but he would probably know how many truancy officers there are And how many arrests or whatever you wanna call it, callers are made. Yeah. It would be an interesting stat.

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:16

There's this attendance works.org actually says that money is Probably not the best way to go. Maybe extra recess time or competition between classrooms can be more of a powerful communication. What's up, miss? But I can live with that. I I mean, seriously, let's not throw money at it, but let's go, okay. If it's an extra recess, I'm tell you know, how simple can it but

Steve Palmer [: 00:49:33

but It's better than money. I'll give you that.

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:34

Simple answer. It's a simple answer if you think about it. Look. Extra recess time. Okay. Cool. Give them 5 extra minutes.

Norm Murdock [: 00:49:40

So the bad kids get extra reset. I mean Yeah. I mean, you're putting you're putting the Iceman's on the wrong side of things. Though.

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:47

Yeah. Exactly.

Steve Palmer [: 00:49:47

It's like, why not punish look. If you if the goal is to get everybody to go to school, then make everybody go to school. And if you can't make everybody go to school, then change the goal. Right? You know, it's like I I

Norm Murdock [: 00:49:57

I yeah. How about this? Once a week, if you have perfect attendance on Friday, Every anybody who's got perfect attendance maybe gets a slice of pizza.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:06

Oh, yeah. Same thing as racist. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:08

I mean, And why not a a reward Right. For doing the right thing

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:13

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:13

Instead of re a reward for doing the

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:15

wrong thing. They got the we used to have those pizza parties. Remember that? Sure. Like, you you sell them you you bring them most cans for donation. You get a pizza party.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:22

We got Cincinnati Reds tickets. Yeah. So if you graduated with, Whatever it was.

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:27

Is g

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:28

p GPA for tickets? Yeah. Yeah. That that was fun.

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:30

Yeah. Who who can't we, I'd like to hear Marino's viewpoint on this. We

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:33

had Good.

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:34

He'd he'd have some interesting thoughts on this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:36

He's a businessman.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:37

Guys, Bill, and he did a lot with the higher education piece to it. Yep. Yeah. Exactly. Good point.

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:41

So I'd like to hear I'd like to hear Bernie's thoughts

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:42

on this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:44

Well, he's Trump's pick. May you very likely, we could get him back. So we let's work on that. I it's so the senate has, I think, another week, to override house bill 68. So And

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:00

Oh, and Dwan's on them.

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:01

Yeah. I've so people are expecting that. Jim Jordan, our congressman, here.

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:07

Well, hold on. Hold on. Before you go there Go ahead. Let's we didn't quite finish on Go ahead. Yeah. On Chevron. So

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:12

Oh, yeah. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:13

Yeah. Means. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:14

We so what's at stake here? Just to to wrap that up and tie it up in a bow. What's at stake here is whether the US Supreme Court is going to get rid of the Chevron deference doctrine, where state or administrative agencies rather have deference, and they can just it'll limit their rulemaking interpretive power, and maybe even the rulemaking power, and basically give teeth back to the Administrative Procedure Act where, there's gotta be Notice opportunity to be heard, and and and there's gonna have to be a rational relation to the rules, and, the deference will go away. And that's gonna basically That that's the 1st step in starting to gut the administrative deep state form of government. So that that's why I think this is one of the most important decisions of our time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:57

All It's gigantic.

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:58

I mean, far greater more importance to me than the Roe v Wade Shike and all the other crap that happened. This one is it. I mean, this is cutting to the heart of how our government works. Are we gonna have a 3, a 3 branches of government like it's intended to be? Right. Is our congress gonna do what it's supposed to do? Is our executive power gonna be limited the way it's supposed to be? Is the judicial power gonna do what it's supposed to do?

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:18

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:52:18

This is the heart of checks and balances in our government. Right. And right now, there is no check on the administrative power.

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:23

Yeah. The the doctrine to to restate and and I wrote this down word word for word, so this is a summary of that Supreme Court case, the the, the Chevron? Chevron case, 1984 Scalia. Courts are to give extraordinary deference to agencies' interpretations even when those interpretations are not included in the enabling law. Okay? And and what Steve has just said is that has got to come to an end. Yeah. Because if it if the intent is not expressed in the law that the Congress enabled this agency, then they've gone too far. They need to go back to Congress and get More authority.

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:07

Get more authority.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:08

Right? Right? So

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:08

Yeah. But this is a first this is, like, the first little Yep. Pullback of that. Yeah. And, you know, look what's happened since the eighties. Yeah. In in administrative state. This is the deep state has has flourished.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:19

You could say that the Supreme Court showed a direction on this when they took Away Biden's half a trillion. Yeah. You know?

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:28

I said this when people were griping about Biden's executive. I was sitting down here and saying, Yeah. I'm talking to the ex checker and some others, like, even off the record saying, yeah, but you just wait because they're gonna push this so far Right. That they're going to give the court no option but to gout but to claw it back. Yeah. You know? And and when they claw it back, it has to be done on taking away the administrative power, and that's the Chevron doctrine. Right. And then next will be, you know, they those then they'll start chipping away.

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:55

They're gonna show

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:55

a trend

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:55

and start chipping away.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:56

I agree with you that they're gonna confine it to the facts, And that that'll be disappointing. That's why I was disappointed on that, race based, admissions policy.

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:06

In the

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:07

When when when they decided that case with the, Asian students, primarily, with Harvard, Yale, Princeton, whoever else they threw in there, the the disappointment for me is there was a there was an opportunity for the Supreme Court to maybe make a much bigger statement And simply say, you know, guys, race should not be a criteria in any of these programs.

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:31

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:31

Like like scholarships, who's on the sports teams, Any of this. Who gets into the school, but they you know, now you've got people going back, and they're retrying the same issue For high schools because the case was limited to colleges. And And that's ridiculous.

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:48

And one more point on this. Like, for those who don't quite comprehend How dangerous this administrative power is. Understand, the administrative agencies get their own cops.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:59

That's right. Right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:00

The same ATF.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:02

At the IRS, 80,000 new agents. Right? Yes.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:06

And any of those hunters know out there, the DNR people Yeah. And and the kind of power they have. Yeah. And there's not a real

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:13

Ohio Department of Natural Resources, Steve, is

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:15

Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or the EPA has their investigative unit. It's like Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:20

These people have power to do things Yeah. That even police don't. And so, you know And now

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:25

we're arming IRS people.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:26

And for those Nazis out there, they called, Hitler would call them brown shirts. Yeah. Right? These were the brown shirts.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:33

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:33

You know, the like, they're they're not quite police officers. They're they're working directly for the executive branch of government. I mean, these are henchmen. We covered administrative agencies.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:42

So, Steve, we covered this. Was it Marysville? I think it was Marysville where the sheriff In the for the county where Marysville's located forget the name again. Union. Thank you. Union County sheriff, I believe, and we talked about it here, An IRS agent went on the front porch of of a taxpayer, knocked on the door, and demanded to be let in, and she said no. She called 911. The sheriff showed up and threw the federal guy off the hell of her property.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:09

Good for him.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:10

Yep. Good.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:11

And and so This is why I this

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:13

is when when people start say talking about, well, I don't mind, you know, if, you know, everybody should follow law, they can come to you.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:19

You know?

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:19

I got nothing to hide.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:20

Nothing to hide. Oh. Oh. It's like yeah. But the like, The the corruption of the government needs a check. Yeah. Right. And if you don't check it, then they're gonna do things that you don't want them to do in your house.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:31

Right. You're gonna find things that don't exist in your house.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:34

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:34

That would be the worst scenario.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:35

Right. Right? Right. Or they're gonna coerce you to admit something that you didn't do because They're gonna tell you, hey.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:42

Or go be reeducated.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:43

It's not that big a deal. Just admit that you did this.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:46

Or go be reeducated.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:47

Ways of making it go away.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:48

This was, This was Javier's message at the SPECTRE meeting.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:51

That's right. The SPECTRE. Yeah. Yeah. The World Economic Forum.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:55

But so I don't know if you saw the storm or not. Apparently, Ohio must be in really good shape because now Right. Now we want Ohio lawmakers want to require an ID to watch online porn. Yeah. Did you see this? Yes. I did. Yeah. You have to

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:09

so you have to tell. You have to identify. Steve Ballmer here. Yeah. I'd like to sign up.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:14

So yeah. So you swipe your ID in in in the into your computer itself.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:19

Have you guys ever gone on to Gunbroker or any of these, sites Where there's firearms, for example, up pops a little window. Are you at least 18 years old?

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:29

Yeah. Yeah. So this I've clicked that both ways, Listen. It doesn't seem to change what happens.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:32

To change. Exactly.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:33

So that's what they're talking.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:35

They're talking about up

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:36

on yes.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:36

No. They're talking about showing an ID for porn.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:38

So Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:38

Like, imagine That couldn't be used against you in any nefarious way. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:42

So, yeah, it's an effort to crack down on kids and

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:43

teens accessing to look at.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:45

Yeah. To crack down on kids and teens accessing Porn, a bipartisan group and lawmakers, and the lovely lieutenant governor John Husted proposed legislate it doesn't even have a number yet, but it's this new. It requires every porn watcher To provide an 18 plus verification.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:59

Oh, come on.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:59

Stephanie Coonsie Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:58:00

So it's just gonna be

Brett Johnson [: 00:58:01

a good one. Bill DeMora, Democrat from Columbus, right here, central Ohio focus. It's so new. The guy, like I said, didn't have a number. Unbelievable. Yeah. So, you know, as as Houston said, this is applying the same rules for the digital world that we already have in the physical world. It's illegal to in the physical world to market and sell adult products to kids and teenagers.

Brett Johnson [: 00:58:19

I'm and I'd like I'd like to tell John. So where do the parents come in?

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:23

Okay. So

Brett Johnson [: 00:58:23

here Let the parents take care of this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:26

Dude, apparently, the Ohio General Assembly has never heard of a VPN. Right. So I'll give you an example. I like to watch the BBC news. Okay? Now I'm not a citizen of the United Kingdom. So if I say that I'm in Johnstown, Ohio or Columbus, Ohio Mhmm. And I reach over to England to watch the BBC, guess what? It pops up and says you're not authorized because you're, you know, you're not a taxpayer.

Steve Palmer [: 00:58:53

It's because you're norm on Common Sense Ohio.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:56

Okay. But if I go to my VPN settings and say I'm originating in London, England, I can watch it all day long. This is what's going

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:06

on. Cheerio.

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:07

If that I mean It does nothing.

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:10

You get

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:10

the These kids are are way ahead of me.

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:13

They're they're, Like, this will stop talking. It feels good to go.

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:16

Click yes. I'm 18.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:17

Right. Yes. I'm 18. And and guess what? I'm I'm in, I'm in, the Netherlands. I'm in the red light district of of Holland.

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:25

Right. And you're Brett, you're you make a good point. Like, we're the parents on this. And, look, this was there was pushback on this. You know, like, the pornography laws, there's been pushback on this against free speech for a long, long time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:37

Larry Flynn.

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:38

In right here in Ohio. Right?

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:40

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:40

So this is

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:41

And there's another court case coming up in February, which has basically the same tinge to it we'll talk about later. They got kicked.

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:47

It it shows at the

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:48

table is pro porn. No. That's not what we're talking about. But this is not this is Look.

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:53

Pro porn is what

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:54

I'm like, we're doing

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:55

this one thing. But the government's ability to regulate pornography look. I And

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:59

what's next?

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:00

If we don't write.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:01

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:01

We don't that's exactly right. Right. So, you know, We have to take responsibility as productive members of our republic.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:09

So, Steve, let's give an example. Let's take Ivermectin. So so the general assembly decides we don't want anybody in Ohio learning about Ivermectin.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:18

So we're gonna squelch all So you

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:21

up will come a thing that, you know, hey. You're in Ohio. You're not allowed to research Ivermectin. Well, now we're in communist China. Mean, that's what they do.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:29

That's what they do. Right. And they can use they can use your, your

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:32

think they're not going to? They sent federal agents out to talk to Google And Facebook, you know Right. And and and tell them

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:40

doing it.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:41

To to suppress discussions of Ivermectin.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:43

And they can use your IPA to to figure out where you are. Mean, there there's a lot going on

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:48

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:49

That that that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:52

Inspector is discussing all this.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:53

But it does sound good, Brett.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:55

Oh, it's nonsense.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:56

ID kits so the camera could port.

Brett Johnson [: 01:00:57

Arkansas, North Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Texas, Utah, and Virginia have done it. Sure. Let's do Oh, it's

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:02

Sounds great.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:03

Sense. Let Right. Let's take care of this problem. Let's move on to the next problem, the social problem. And we got that solved. That parents can't take care of themselves.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:10

We got that solved. No more porn. More parking. Care of that.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:13

Got that done.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:13

Let's move on.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:14

Yeah. Exactly. Mhmm. We

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:17

got any nuggets to cover up here already?

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:19

Couple more Ohio touches on things. So, our guy up here in, not Clintonville. Where is he from? Anyway, Upper Arlington. Vivek, Ramaswami dropped out of the race.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:33

Oh,

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:33

yeah. We had Iowa happen this week.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:35

So Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:35

Yeah. Well, You

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:36

know? But, see, do you think he was in it a 100%, though?

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:39

He's in it he's in it to be VP.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:41

Is that what the deal is, you think? Because he he he was he had better numbers than Iowa than Kasich did. Yeah. I heard Trump. Drops out.

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:47

He was he was talking to this girl up in New York, I forget her name now, to be his VP. There's there's a

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:52

The Stefanik, the congresswoman? Yeah. Yeah. Elise Stefanik?

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:56

Elise Stefanik. Oh, yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:57

She she's she's a hot rod. She she would be awesome.

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:00

Yeah. I thought there there's a clock that she was gonna be the one. So Yeah. No.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:03

She's a female Vivek. I mean, she she's right there. She was the one that was pointing their bony finger at, Gosh. Who was testifying? Mallorca's, I think, recently Yeah. And just dragging him over the coals. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:16

I saw a story where they've been talking. Like like, she might be the one.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:19

Yeah. She might be. Well, maybe

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:22

I'd like to see if a vacant would be a good low Oh, you'd

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:24

be great.

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:25

Right? I mean, that guy's awesome. When you hear him talk to people, like, he's like, He's a new breed.

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:31

He

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:31

does not hold anything back.

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:32

And and he has got the facts and details, and he's eloquent enough to to present the election.

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:36

He you know, You're right, though. You'd think about that. Whoever Trump does pick as VP, they're gonna be groomed for the next. Yeah. They're they're gonna be groomed to be president.

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:45

Well, that's how it works. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:46

I mean, it usually is. And and

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:48

and George Bush followed Ronald

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:50

kinda breaks the mold that you were talking about. It's like, god. We got 2 old guys up there again.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:53

Biden followed Obama. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:55

And then we got Kamala Harris, our next president.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:57

Oh, for god's sakes. The other Ohio touch thing is, you know and I even wrote a Wonderful set of lyrics about,

Steve Palmer [: 01:03:06

Oh, jeez.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:07

About, take a load off Fannie. So, Jim Jordan is in he is Investigating Fannie, and I'm not talking about the gluteus maximus, but I'm talking about Fannie Willis.

Steve Palmer [: 01:03:19

Yeah. The She's got big trouble.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:20

Fulton County has been paying her boyfriend $650,000 when he is, no offense, Steve, he's an ambulance chasing lawyer. I mean, he is Right. He is your neighbor he's

Steve Palmer [: 01:03:33

not like here is this.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:34

He's not like you.

Steve Palmer [: 01:03:35

Appointed a special prosecutor to prosecute the RICO case against Trump and all the others that were involved in this. And this is this involves their efforts to change the outcome of the election in Georgia. Yes. And she's alleged that that's engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity as we call in of Ohio and the feds, they call it racketeering influence and corrupt activity, or corrupt organizations. But they, right.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:54

That phone call to the secretary call, find

Steve Palmer [: 01:03:57

my votes. Yada yada yada.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:58

Blah blah blah.

Steve Palmer [: 01:03:58

So she appointed a special prosecutor. This happens all the time, and they pay the special prosecutor. But it turns out she's also got some relations going on with this special prosecutor traveling with him to Europe. At the same time, he got a contract for some 650 $1,000

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:15

So far.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:15

To so far Yeah. To to, conduct this prosecution. And as you pointed out, he doesn't really have the credentials that would warrant such an appointment. Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:24

No.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:24

So, you know, it's cronyism. And, well, what it is is is corrupt. That's gonna be, In federal court, they would call that honest services fraud. And it's,

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:33

because she's she's enjoying she's enjoying the benefits of what she's paying him.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:38

And she It's the allegation. So it's worse. It's not that

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:40

she's allegation allegation allegation.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:43

The allegation is not just that she's stripping the guy, but they're out traveling together Right. And with commingled money. Yep. So Alright.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:50

Yeah. So we'll see what happens. The the judge in the case has, given her a date to come in, and gonna have a hearing

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:56

on this.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:56

One of the co defendants in the Trump case filed a motion challenging this, a motion to dismiss saying, look, this is an unfair prosecution and or to crowbar this guy off the case and get a new prosecutor in there

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:06

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:06

And, or get him recused from the case, which could change the the landscape of this entirely because

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:11

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:12

The the other I guess the the other part of this is

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:14

She could lose office.

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:15

Well, yeah. Well, the other part of this is he's clearly influenced by Her position on it, and he's not independent at all. He's just a henchman. And if you eliminate him from the equation and then get somebody truly independent, they may have a different look on that case, which frankly is a stretch of the highest order anyway.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:30

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:30

That's not a that's not a RICO case.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:32

Right. So Well, Mayorkas, the impeachment. We we talked But Elise Stefanik, couple other quickies guys, the the Red Sea thing, the the war that we're engaged, the hot war in the Red Sea, Biden has redesignated the Houthis as a terrorist organization. So he's gone back 3 years, it took when he came in office, they were labeled a terrorist organization, and then he undid all that and financed Iran allowed them to sell their oil, gave them all their 1,000,000,000 that were frozen, and it's a real shock, isn't it, that Iran now is Prop promulgating terrorism all around the world. They've got Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Yep. You know, as their clients doing all of this damage, And and we're we are actually exchanging rockets, plane strikes, sinking boats. They have taken They have taken one of the container ships back to Yemen, and it is a tourist attraction where pea where they lay out flags of Israel and America, and people pay, You know, a shekel, whatever it is in Yemeni, currency to go onboard the container ship and stamp on the flags.

Brett Johnson [: 01:06:47

I mean

Norm Murdock [: 01:06:47

and and the crew is still being held hostage. Yeah. So so the like like, some really bad stuff, and it shows mismanagement at the White House.

Steve Palmer [: 01:06:55

Yeah. Well, I mean, this is consistent with everything else we've talked about. Like, you've pointed out a couple weeks ago, Norman. Like, we're in a hot war. I mean, there's wars breaking out all over the world, and, like, it's it's it's only getting worse and more dangerous. So anyway, the one tonic for all this nonsense is common sense, not nonsense, common sense. And you can get that right here in Ohio at Channel 511 here in studio c, we bring it at you we bring it to you every single week. This week, we almost couldn't do it, but we rearranged the schedule and got here still getting it to you, in a timely fashion.

Steve Palmer [: 01:07:24

If you wonder what we've done in the past, it's pretty simple. You go to common sense ohio show.com, where you can catch the backlog of all our episodes. You can also check us out now on YouTube. We got Facebook stuff going on. We got reels going on. I didn't even know what a reel was until we started this show. So now we got little video shorts of us pontificating our wisdom and common sense at you, inviting replies, frankly, because as you pointed out today, Brett, this is what makes us this is what we're trying to do a little differently. We're not telling you like it is.

Steve Palmer [: 01:07:51

We're telling you how we think it is, and please offer your opinion so we can consider it, kick it around, and come up with the best common sense solution where All you gotta do is I just totally lost my train of thought. That's not common sense.

Norm Murdock [: 01:08:04

Well, at 2 shows in a row, we have replied to comments on our Facebook page, So please interact with us. Right. And we we will bring

Steve Palmer [: 01:08:12

those issues

Norm Murdock [: 01:08:13

to the table.

Steve Palmer [: 01:08:14

So to interact with you interact with us, all you have to do is get on the social media now or go the web page, and

Brett Johnson [: 01:08:19

you could

Steve Palmer [: 01:08:20

Email us. And you can email us right there. Yeah. Info at commonsenseioshow. We'll get it. We'll read your comments. We'll invite you in if you're worthy of taking on the roundtable.

Norm Murdock [: 01:08:28

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 01:08:28

And and you think you got, you you you got something to offer, let us know. Who knows? We may invite you in. You just never know. Anyway, for now, that is it. We are coming at you right from the middle each and every week until now.