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Episode 34th January 2023 • Coaching in Focus • Become Coaching & Training Ltd
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Irene Broomfield, ACC Coach and founder of Simba Coaching (https://simba-coaching.com/) shares her experience in changing careers and becoming a Coach. Irene has completed the Advanced Diploma in Integrative Coaching with Become and changed direction from being an HR professional to start something new. She did this after a career break and is now an Accredited ICF Career Coach & passionate about supporting professional mid-career women to create a career they absolutely love!

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Joseph:

Hi everyone, a very warm welcome from myself, Joseph Grech on our latest

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episode of our podcast Coaching In Focus.

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On today's episode, I am in conversation with a very wonderful Irene Broomfield.

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Irene is an ICF accredited coach.

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She's recently got her a acc.

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And also completed both the Diploma and Advanced Diploma in Integrative Coaching

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with Become, and it was actually Irene who got in touch with me to, uh, be a guest

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on this podcast episode because she wanted to share some of her experience in terms

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of choosing a coach training provider.

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On this episode, we talk about some of the challenges in choosing that provider.

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For example, the sure amount of co-training providers that are.

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And the importance of finding one that feels right to you,

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that resonates with your values.

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Irene also talks about the importance of having that support from your

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training school, alumni, communities, mentoring, supervision that can help

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you even after the program ends.

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So without further ado, let's listen into the conversation.

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And it's really nice to be here, Irene.

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Um, I know I've been begging you to be on the podcast for some time,

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so , it's finally you've accepted.

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Absolutely, and I'm not a reluctant participant.

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It's lovely, lovely.

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It

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was actually your idea.

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Remember you were like, I want to go book us now,

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I was like, I've got an idea.

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So Irene, for those

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of you who don't know you, I'll give a bit of an another.

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You.

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So Irene, you have changed direction actually.

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You are originally working in hr.

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You took bit a career break and you decided to do something new

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and that's how you found coaching.

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Um, you're now a career coach.

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You're I C F accredited, you got your a acc, uh, very well done.

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Uh, and your work is predominantly with met career women, um, to

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work under their careers to find careers, you know, create careers.

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They, that they love.

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Tell us a bit more about you.

Irene:

Absolutely.

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So, um, so yes, so I was 50 a couple of weeks ago, so I feel that I very much

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fall into this mid-career category.

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And having done decades in hr, I was very much looking for.

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For, um, a new opportunity, a new challenge after I'd had a career break

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with both my boys who are now 23 and 13.

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So I'd always wanted to, um, learn to coach and I had re I

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really enjoyed my career in hr.

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, but I wanted to start to step away from the dismissals, the, the harder

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side of hr and to really focus more on starting to make more of a positive,

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um, difference in people's lives.

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And so I was looking for something very much for me that I could take

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forward for the sort of the next phase of, of my working life, something

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that I was really gonna enjoy and.

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and the pandemic brought a perfect period in time that I could start

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to, to pursue this passion remotely.

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And so that was, I was really excited about that and it was something that

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I really will always look back on that period of time, um, as something

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that I really, really enjoyed doing.

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So yeah, so I was on a search for a coaching course and I suddenly

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discovered quite how complicated.

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Finding a coaching course is, in fact, this morning I Googled

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just for a bit of research.

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I Googled to see what came up.

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If you searched for coaching courses and in North Point 54 seconds, it

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produced 395 million coaching courses.

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that I could have, you know, chosen from.

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And so this was the point that I found myself in, you know, several

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years ago now when, when I was trying to find a coaching course.

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And, um, and it's something that I get asked about a huge amount, um, sometimes

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by my clients who have also decided that they would like to pursue, um, a coaching.

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and you know, and also by lots of people who have, um, reached out on LinkedIn and

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it's been lovely to hear from them that are hoping to start to pursue a coaching,

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um, you know, course in the near future.

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And, you know, and they all want to know how do you go about it?

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How do you find the right one?

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So I thought that would be an interesting topic to discuss today.

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And

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that's the focus of our conversation, right?

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You know, how do you navigate this?

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In increasing the compass world of coach training.

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So what do you do now?

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Tell us a bit more about, you know, so you've done your coaching program, um,

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you've done a few coaching programs, and what type of work do you do now?

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So I very much now focus on helping mid-career professionals.

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The majority of my clients are female.

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Mm-hmm.

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. But I do also have some lovely men that, um, that I get their

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privilege of coaching as well.

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And, and I help them very much sort of like rediscover who they are now, you

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know, work out what it is that they want for the next phase of their career.

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Because all too often, um, you know, my generation, you either fell into a career.

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Or you made some career choices back when you were 1821.

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Mm-hmm.

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16, whatever age you were.

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Um, and, and you carried on down that path and you know, and you reach a point

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sometimes, certainly I did, where you suddenly think, this isn't for me anymore.

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Mm-hmm.

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, I want something different.

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I want something more.

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You might want something that.

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aligns better with your life or your passions or your interests.

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And so I have the exciting opportunity to to partner with my clients and really

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get to work to discover what it is that they want so that we can then create

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some new career opportunities and things that, you know, career possibilities that

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they will go on and enjoy going forward.

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Because I love the fact when people find a new career, , you know, really

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lights, lights up their worlds again.

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And, you know, has that ripple of effect of going out and, and making them happier.

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Fantastic,

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fantastic.

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And that's why you created Simba Coaching as well to support these individuals.

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Absolutely.

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Yes.

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Which is a whole new venture for me.

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I've never worked for myself before, so, um, so yes, when I was, when I went

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out, you, you referred to that fact, I did a couple of coaching courses.

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When I went out to learn how to coach, it really mattered to me that I, you

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know, I could find coaching provider that could give me sort of like an end-to-end.

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Mm-hmm.

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experience.

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Mm-hmm.

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so that, you know, it was something, I think anybody that knows me knows,

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I'm not the sort of person that goes in for sort of a half-hearted approach.

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It's if I go to do something, I, I have to do it properly.

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Yeah.

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And, um, it's a, it's a theme that's run through my life.

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So Yes.

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So I went out to find a coach.

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Trained provider and course where I felt that I could learn to coach properly and

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that it would give me an accreditation.

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That I could go on and, and use as, you know, throughout my life.

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Mm-hmm.

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, um, you know, so that I could start to get some associate work

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plus also run my own business.

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Fantastic.

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So

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let's kind of start perhaps that discussion from that point.

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Um, You know, you mentioned earlier, you know, a few years ago you went on Google,

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you searched for coaching programs.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and you, you know, stumbled on so many.

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Now, how did you start shifting and making some, you know, thinking

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about like a selection process of these different training providers?

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Yeah.

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What did you do?

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. Irene: So, well, first of all, I mean,

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There's, because I think because coaching as a profession isn't regulated yet.

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Yeah.

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Um, you've got the extremes of, you know, like, Really highly sort of like

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professional coaching companies through to the fact that you, you can literally

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log on and do a five day course online and you suddenly get this certificate sent

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through to say that you've become a coach.

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Mm-hmm.

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. So I think.

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, my first awareness was the fact that there was this polarization mm-hmm.

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and, and then I became aware that, you know, there were a number of,

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you know, accredited coaching bodies.

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Um, so because my circle was, you know, the HR circle, I started

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contacting lots of my HR colleagues and had many conversations about, you

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know, that this is the direction I was now thinking of taking my career.

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what did people think?

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What were their views?

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What did people know about it?

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And the thing that kept coming back to me was, oh, you should get your icf.

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Mm-hmm.

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credentials.

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Mm-hmm.

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, you should go and get your ICF credentials.

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So that then led me to the ICF website where, you know, it comes up even as

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you start to search for it, that it's the, the gold standard in coaching.

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And then as you go through and you find you.

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Who the I I C F are, you know, you get this, you know, um,

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statement about them being like this huge global coaching provider.

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So I felt then that I was on the right track.

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I felt like I was starting to find my way.

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Mm-hmm.

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That this.

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, this was going to lead me to an accreditation that

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would be seen as credible.

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Yeah.

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And trustworthy.

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And one that, you know, um, that it really mattered to me that.

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, my coaching clients would be able to work with me and feel that this

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accreditation gave them a basis that, you know, that I was a credible coach.

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That really did matter to me.

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Yeah.

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So

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that was your first step really kind of, that's was your first shifting,

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shifting matter to look at, you know, which ones are accredited and which ones

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are not, and I'm thinking about that.

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It is still confusing because it is not just about being I CF accredited.

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There are some I CF courses that lead to that much more.

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For C P D, it's actually finding ICF courses that are accredited

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that lead to the credential, to the A acc, to the PCC and the mcc,

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for example.

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. Absolutely.

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And I did, and that was probably, I didn't discover that till a bit further

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down the line when, um, I was trying to sort of, to to work out then, you know,

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that there were multiple routes mm-hmm.

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That there were multiple qualifications.

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Um, and at this point I think it, it's can really easily start to feel too much.

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I think this, I feel with people.

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Sometimes people get to this point and then it's almost like, okay,

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let's just abandon the mission.

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Let's just give up because this is all feeling far too

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much and far too complicated.

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Yeah.

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Um, and that's when I started to look a bit more at, um, I'm

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sure other people must do this.

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I can't be the only person that when you are starting to look for that new

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career, when you start to get that interest, you know, I was starting to.

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Get to know who different career coaches were, sort of like, you know, online

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and you know, there's me stalking various websites and things like that,

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thinking you're doing your homework.

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Oh my goodness.

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, yeah.

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Doing my homework, thinking, oh my goodness, how could I

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ever become somebody like that?

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Or how could I ever achieve that?

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Um, oh my goodness, they're absolutely amazing.

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And, and so I started to then, See how they were qualifying, what they

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were doing, how they were studying, you know, that type of thing to give

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me more and more information about it.

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Um, and then I think for me it became important to think,

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right, okay, I'm all in now.

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I've decided I want to become, um, an I C F.

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, you know, accredited coach that go towards, you know,

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working towards my credentials.

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Mm-hmm.

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, but now it's important for me to find the right training provider for me.

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Yeah.

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Um, and that was one of the best pieces of advice that I was given.

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That either you are still, you are, you are like, you know, I'm of the

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Woolworths generation where you used to be presented with that pick and mix.

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Yeah.

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And any, and there's so much choice.

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And so it's starting to work out what is the right.

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, what's the right selection for you?

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Yeah,

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and that's, I feel when things get a bit confusing, right?

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Because you can very quickly go, oh, I want to pursue the I CF qualification.

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I wanna do an I L M.

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, but then you stumble onto that block.

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I remember when I did my own certifications, when I looked into all of

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these different providers and I looked at the content, it was all kind of similar,

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but also slightly different in a way.

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And then what happened?

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You know, so, so you got to the stage where you were like, okay, I need to

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find a right, um, provider for me.

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Like, what was your reason?

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You know, what, what kind of things did you do?

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So I, I think this, even as you say that, I can feel my stomach

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clenching cuz I can so clearly remember thinking, okay, now I know what I want.

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Mm-hmm.

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, and, you know, and, and you start to sort of like realize

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that this is an investment.

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We're not talking about spending a hundred pounds.

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You are, you are talking about investing, you know, a significant

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amount of money in yourself if you now want to go down this path.

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So I think for me, that then increased the sort of, the, the seriousness of

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it, of I've got to get this right.

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You know, I've, I've got to make sure that, you know, I can't keep doing

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multiple, you know, courses of this level.

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I need to make sure I get the one that's right for me.

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So I think the next thing I then really drill down to was thinking,

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okay, what is it then that really, really matters to me, and I think.

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What mattered to me was, well, obviously it was during the pandemic.

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Mm-hmm.

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, so I needed to know I could access remotely, which, you know, back at

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that point in time was a new thing.

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Nowadays, it's that what everybody wants, but at that point in time, it was really

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important that I could access remotely.

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Um, and then I wanted to think about how I like to learn and,

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and I like to do some doing.

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I didn't want to just sit and, and read about it or be lectured about it.

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I wanted to make sure that I was gonna get a chance to practice some coaching,

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to actually do some coaching and get some feedback on that coaching so that

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I could, I could learn along the way.

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So I remember that being really important.

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Um, I wanted to know if I was going to get some clients to practice on because,

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um, I sit on the more introvert end of the spectrum, so, you know, actually

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taking those first steps out into the big.

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wide world and saying to somebody, can I practice coaching on you?

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That sat in the, I'm not even gonna say slightly terrifying that sat in

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the that sat in the really, really terrifying category at that point in time.

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So, you know, um, so I was looking to see what support they would be

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on that side of things in terms of, you know, those first few steps.

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as you take, as you sort of start to make that, that journey

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on your, your coach training.

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Um, I also, I really felt passionately that I did not want to go somewhere that

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I was gonna get taught one coaching model.

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Mm-hmm.

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, I didn't, I, I wanted a, you know, a broader experience.

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I didn't want to just go and learn one coaching model and be expected

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to then deliver that as a lifetime, you know, to every client that I met.

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. So yeah.

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So that, that was where I got to in my, on my first search.

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So what we're

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saying here is that it is important to know what you

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want from your coaching program.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Um, and that can help, that could be like your selection criteria.

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When you're looking at all of the different training

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providers, do they offer, um, an online version of the program?

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Do they provide with mentoring, do I get to practice all of these things in there?

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Were there any other criteria that you were thinking?

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So I think for me, I really wanted, I think by this point in time, I'd got

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enough information together that I really wanted sort of like an end-to-end process.

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Mm-hmm.

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, because, um, my, my goal was to get my, my credential.

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Mm-hmm.

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, I really, really wanted to get my credential.

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So I think for me, it then also became, um, important to me is to think, you

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know, how else am I going to learn what other support will be in place?

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You know, am I going to get some, you know, some mentoring?

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Is there going to be a variety of coaches that I can learn from?

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Mm-hmm.

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. Um, cuz when I first started, started out, you know, I had an inkling that career

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coaching, you know, might be an area I'd be interested in, but I didn't want to.

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Train in that area.

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I wanted to get experience the fact that, you know, that I could, you

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know, as you say, you can coach anyone.

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To start off with that, I wanted to make sure that, you know, that I got

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a really sort of broad experience, but also that there was depths to it as well.

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Yeah.

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So that, you know, I could, I didn't have to make that decision really

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upfront because I think the first coach training provider I started to

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look into was purely career coaching.

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and that's when I thought, no, that's too specific to start off with.

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I need some, I need some more breadth.

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Uh,

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and actually something that came to mind as you were talking about this is

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the, the, the fact that the content can be very different between each provider.

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So for example, our program focuses on those psychological

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approaches to supporting people.

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you know, in a coaching context, but you can have programs that

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are more clearly focused, like you said, on career coaching or mm-hmm.

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executive coaching or a particular style of working, uh, with clients,

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like a cognitive behavioral approach to coaching or whatever it is.

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And you can just qualify it in that.

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So it is, and, and the assessment process also.

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Is a bit more flexible because we're assessing behaviors.

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We're not.

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It's not like when you go to school and you've got a curriculum and

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a syllabus and you know, you get taught all this stuff and you have

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to then show knowledge against this.

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But it's actually things around, well, how are you showing up with your client?

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You know, what behaviors are you showing?

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So it doesn't matter if you've been thought model X or model Y.

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Ultimately, what is important to develop are your coaching behaviors and choosing.

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a course that lends itself to, you know, the behaviors that you see are

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important in coaching is also key.

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I think sometimes people look at the content in a lot of detail,

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not necessarily around, well, who is it that I am as a coach and you

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know, what can I develop in me?

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and that's, that took a while for me to work out mm-hmm.

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, that there was so much more to it, because I think the bit that I really,

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really underestimated is the fact that in reality you are not just choosing mm-hmm.

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a coaching.

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Provider, a coaching course to learn how to co to coach, because you know,

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when people talk to me, there's lots of, you know, there tends to be a number

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of reasons people will say to me that they're looking for a coaching course.

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They either want to like learn the coaching skills.

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Mm-hmm.

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, they want to improve their coaching skills.

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Um, you know, they want that credibility or they want to, um, they want a

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coaching qualification to give them.

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more career opportunities because, you know, a coaching company's looking for

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it, or there's, there's something they've got in mind, which is, is why they want

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that, you know, that actual credential.

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But I think, you know, for me, the bit that I really had underestimated was how

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much I as a person would, would change.

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through the process.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, and I think when I talk to people about what course to choose,

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for me the, one of the reasons.

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, it's so important to take some time to get it right and to think who it is,

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because this is quite a transformational journey that you go on, and I know that

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sounds, you know, that can sound a bit crass and a bit naf and nobody could

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have explained this to me beforehand.

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Mm-hmm.

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. , but it, but you yourself do go on, yeah.

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Quite a process through this and, um, well, and, and my whole coaching

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cohort, and you, yourself, Joseph, you'll have seen, you know, I was

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really nervous when I started, you know, I had come from, from, you know,

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quite a long career break with my boys.

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I mean, Even trying to learn Zoom and goodness knows what, at that point

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in time, felt like a challenge.

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And so I think, you know, it really mattered to me that the coach training

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provider that I chose to work with was somewhere that would see me as Irene,

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not just another, I wasn't just another delegate coming through their process.

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Irene, and you know, it was Irene that didn't have a huge amount of

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confidence at that point in time and.

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And also Irene, who had been an HR manager who, you know, all respectable

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HR professionals, but we are really good at telling people what to do.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, we are, we are an expert at giving advice.

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I had spent decades at being.

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, the knowledgeable one who shared her HR expertise with whichever organization,

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you know, I was lucky enough to work in and suddenly I had to not give advice.

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Suddenly I was learning a completely new skill.

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That was hard.

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It was hard and, but hard and challenging in a really good way.

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So I think for me it was, you know, really important to be in a, in

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a safe and protective space where you could make those mistakes.

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Where you got that mentoring, where you could, you could learn and go on this

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journey from, oh my goodness, my first recording, I probably just told, told

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the poor person what to do throughout, you know, right through to the.

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That you are, you know, you are being recorded for your I C F

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credential and, you know, and that the transformation that takes place is

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enormous and just spot on.

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You know, having that continuous continued support even after you finish

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the program, whether it's via mentoring, you know, alumni, ups, uh, supervision,

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whatever it is, catch up sessions.

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is really key because sometimes people come in and they'll say, oh, so once I do

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the program, I get my ICF accreditation.

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I'm like, well, there is another step, you know, you need to practice.

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Um, and it's different to another training course where you might get

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a qualification and then you go, actually, you get the qualification,

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then you need to practice, get your mentoring, and after that you get your a.

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So it's important to see

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that.

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Yeah, I think you're so right.

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Yeah.

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You know, I, I think it's a really good question to ask is what happens when

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you get to the end of your program, you know, what support is in place.

Irene:

And, and I have been supported from, you know, from day one.

Irene:

Right.

Irene:

And, and I'm still being supported in terms of, you know, with each step

Irene:

forward that I take, you know, the support has been there throughout.

Irene:

And, you know, so what I always say to people is, you know, really drill

Irene:

down into the coaching, um, training provider that you are considering, you

Irene:

know, Are they who they say they are?

Irene:

Do you get to meet any of your, you know, any of that coaching

Irene:

company before you sign up?

Irene:

Mm-hmm.

Irene:

. Um, can you speak to any of the alumni, you know, are they who they are?

Irene:

You know, that whole Ron Seal, you know, tin test is, are

Irene:

they who they say they are?

Irene:

Yeah.

Irene:

Um, . And you know, and that's why I'm, I'm always happy to, to have

Irene:

a conversation with anybody that's, you know, that's, that's considering

Irene:

signing up because, you know, I think it's nice for them to see, you know,

Irene:

that, that you are real, that there's genuine, that you have walked that

Irene:

walk, um, you know, along the way.

Irene:

And, and I think it's, you know, it's also like really, really, I.

Irene:

That when you are, when you are looking at that provider that you are

Irene:

constantly, you know, asking yourself whether or not they're the right.

Irene:

You know, are they the right provider for me?

Irene:

Will the support be there throughout mm-hmm.

Irene:

, are they going to, you know, um,

Irene:

I certainly, I know when I was working up to my, my accreditation,

Irene:

you know, it's, it's hard.

Irene:

It is hard.

Irene:

And suddenly, you know, you are reaching out for support because you know, you've

Irene:

got an exam set or there's, you know, , there's things in place and, and I think

Irene:

for me, that continuity of knowing.

Irene:

that, you know, that the support does continue.

Irene:

That there, there, there are alumni meetup meetups, there's, you know,

Irene:

there's supervision that I can access.

Irene:

That's all been really important to me.

Irene:

And, um, and also, you know, what are the quality of the learning

Irene:

materials as you go along?

Irene:

Yeah, I mean, I had this incredible, um, Learning portal.

Irene:

Okay.

Irene:

and , which, you know, it's, it's, uh, I can honestly say it's the best

Irene:

learning portal I've ever had access to on any training, um, program.

Irene:

And, you know, and it's there to accompany you every single step of the way.

Irene:

And to go back to, and to reflect on, um, with all, you know,

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everything from some of the tools you need, the letters you need.

Irene:

I mean, every single thing that I've needed has been, I've

Irene:

been able to find on there.

Irene:

, and, you know, and that really, really was an enormous support to me along the way.

Irene:

Yeah.

Irene:

Yeah.

Joseph:

I, I thought that came to mind as you were saying this.

Joseph:

It's about establishing whether your training provider is also

Joseph:

adopting those coaching competencies that we would see in a coach.

Joseph:

Right?

Joseph:

Are they being honest?

Joseph:

Yeah.

Joseph:

Are they being genuine?

Joseph:

Are they being quite directive and salesy, or are they letting me make up my mind in

Joseph:

terms of the, like, are they showing those same competencies that I would expect?

Joseph:

Because ultimately they're.

Joseph:

. Irene: Yeah.

Joseph:

And that's such, that is such a good, um, you know, a good point to make.

Joseph:

And, and you know, and all I can say is from my experience with every, every

Joseph:

single coach that I have worked with, um, you know, from, um, the cuff mm-hmm.

Joseph:

training and coaching, they have all absolutely displayed those, you know,

Joseph:

those competencies and those traits.

Joseph:

But what I love about it is the.

Joseph:

Every single coach and trainer is, is different, and they're

Joseph:

all, you know, completely unique.

Joseph:

It's not like a, a cookie cutter approach of coaches, you know, every single person.

Joseph:

And I've, and that's what I've really loved in the fact

Joseph:

is, you know, getting to.

Joseph:

To work alongside so many mm-hmm.

Joseph:

um, different coaches, all of which have, they've got their own interests,

Joseph:

they've got their own coaching practices that run alongside and you know, so

Joseph:

there's just such a huge wealth of information that you can sort of learn.

Joseph:

Yeah.

Joseph:

You know, just.

Joseph:

Just by sort of seeing different people's different styles, which

Joseph:

is also another great, I mean, thanks for that feedback.

Joseph:

It's really valuable.

Joseph:

And I'll pass a message to the rest of the team.

Joseph:

. Um, uh, it's about this idea around do we, you know, do I get one approach?

Joseph:

Do I get to work with one person or will this open up a number of different doors

Joseph:

and windows and everything so that I can work with different people doing all

Joseph:

sorts of, uh, learning from different.

Joseph:

We're getting quite close towards the end, Irene, of our podcast today.

Joseph:

And you know, we could keep on talking about this, but if you had to kind of

Joseph:

summarize what could be some of the key takeaways, if somebody's thinking about,

Joseph:

um, becoming a coach and they're at that point that you were a few years ago, going

Joseph:

online and feeling a bit overwhelmed, what would be some tips that you might have?

Joseph:

So

Irene:

my first tip is to do it.

Irene:

Mm-hmm.

Irene:

if.

Irene:

Because often as you, as you start to consider doing something new that you

Irene:

know that, that inner voice inside of you can start to shout really

Irene:

loudly to say, oh, don't do it.

Irene:

It's all too scary.

Irene:

It's all too much.

Irene:

Um, so my first piece of advice is to, you know, to really believe in the fact that

Irene:

this is something that you want to do.

Irene:

then absolutely.

Irene:

Pursue, pursue your dream of being a coach.

Irene:

It's, it is the best, um, decision that I made.

Irene:

Um, and then my second tip is the fact is, you know, take your, take your

Irene:

time to make sure that you get an, an accredited, you know, training provider.

Irene:

You know, I have heard too many horror stories of people spending

Irene:

huge amounts of money on courses that are not going to give them.

Irene:

What, you know, what it is that they want.

Irene:

So go back to that core basis of, you know, what is your

Irene:

why, why do you want to coach?

Irene:

What's your aim of coaching and what you need to be successful in the coaching

Irene:

area that you want to one day work in?

Irene:

And, and I think as long as you keep revisiting that, then you

Irene:

know, you'll make, you know, you will find it the right path.

Irene:

And.

Irene:

and you know, and hopefully you will find a coaching provider that you

Irene:

know, that you too could be working with several years down the line.

Irene:

And you know, and you'll be delighted to volunteer to go on a podcast and

Irene:

say, , I wanna talk about my story, , I wanna talk about my story because I

Irene:

wanna help other people, you know, take that step and you know, and feel

Irene:

confident about doing it that I have.

Irene:

In themselves and they've made the right decision.

Joseph:

That's brilliant.

Joseph:

What a positive way to end the podcast today.

Joseph:

Oh, thank you so much, Irene, for, you know, giving us a little bit

Joseph:

of your time to tell us about your experience and I wish you many, many

Joseph:

more years of success in coaching.

Irene:

Thank you so much.

Irene:

A pleasure.

Joseph:

I hope that you've found that conversation.

Joseph:

I really resonate with some of the points that Irene mentioned because I

Joseph:

experienced them myself as I was choosing a co-training provider, um, years ago.

Joseph:

It is important to note though, that just by following a co-training program,

Joseph:

it doesn't mean that all of a sudden you're gonna become this fabulous coach.

Joseph:

Actually, it takes a bit of time.

Joseph:

Practice is really key and practice is important and so is super.

Joseph:

If you have liked this episode, it would be great if you could

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rate it, leave a comment, and also share it with your friends.

Joseph:

And in the meantime, I hope to see you soon on the next

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