Laura and Xhafer puzzle over the Final Cylons' penchant for T names. Laura brings her biggest tinfoil hat theory yet. Xhafer enjoys a hit of hopium. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 10: Revelations.

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Hello, and to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well-done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former

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strangers, now friends, are currently

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Jafare

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Laura: And I'm Laura, and I could

see you spinning your wheels on like,

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"What is the tone for this intro?"

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Xhafer: I don't know

the tone for this intro.

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I don't know the tone for this episode.

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Except, well, I guess, w-

correction, the tone for the

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episode we watched is whiplash.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: that's very much on purpose.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: actually ends, like, two

minutes before I thought it did

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Laura: Oh, so there's something that

you thought was in it that wasn't in it?

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Xhafer: Um, I thought there was at

the very least, like conversation.

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Laura: Yeah.

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No, there's

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Xhafer: even more frustrating.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: I think that's the start of

next episode because I went to YouTube

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and I watched a clip of the scene

know where it ended like weeks ago.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Okay

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Xhafer: is the end of that episode,

l- and I was trying to decide

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listener, to give you a peek behind

the curtain, I was trying to decide

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where to put our movie break.

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Laura: Ah, yes, yes, yes

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Xhafer: this was the mid-season finale in

terms of air on Syfy, the next episode was

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actually filmed before the writers' strike

that delayed the show coming back so much.

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Laura: Right

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Xhafer: so the change, like the,

all of the things that happen when

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you take a year and a half away

from something and then come back

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to it, which will inevitably happen

with anything, with this show.

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And it happens after the next episode,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: this episode.

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So I thought tonally, might

be more appropriate to watch

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1011 then take the break.

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Laura: Sure

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Xhafer: but I wasn't sure, so I watched

some clips of the end of this episode

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on YouTube, the one I watched on like

Syfy Channel's thing had the end and

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the beginning of the next episode

spliced together and didn't tell me

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Laura: Rude

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Xhafer: And so I thought we got just

a little bit more, and I was more

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comfortable with that than I was this.

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Laura: Oh, okay

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Xhafer: Um, I could honestly be

persuaded to do one more before we break

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if we wanna talk about it right now

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Laura: I mean, I thought, I don't know.

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You, you said, I don't remember if it

was on pod or not, but when we talked

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last that Edward James Olmos, like, said

he kinda wished the show had the guts

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to cut it here, which to me felt like

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Xhafer: here.

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Laura: we should take

our movie break here.

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Like,

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: I mean

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Xhafer: we'll continue with

the plan as currently scheduled

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: my massive

podcast spreadsheet thing.

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Laura: Dad has spoken, yeah.

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Xhafer: yeah, we'll listen to Dad.

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That's fine.

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Um, I don't wanna fight with Dad,

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Laura: No, no, I'm pretty sure

he could still take me, yeah.

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Xhafer: Anyways okay.

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So that'll be the plan.

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Uh, We'll talk about that more

at the end of the episode uh,

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what we're gonna watch and when

we'll be back with that and stuff.

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but yeah, let's, uh…

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of episode to talk about, and more

importantly, there's a lot of stuff

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to talk about of this episode.

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Laura: Yeah, sure.

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Xhafer: So I don't wanna ramble

on a cold open any longer.

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I wanna get into this episode.

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Laura: Okay

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Xhafer: through this episode so

we can talk about the stuff that

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I actually wanna talk about,

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Laura: Okay

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Xhafer: your thoughts and

impressions after this episode.

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Laura: Sure.

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Okay

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Xhafer: So we've got Battlestar Galactica,

Season 4, Episode 10, "Revelations."

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Laura: Yeah, there were a few of those.

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Xhafer: There were a few.

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Yeah, it's a good ep-

it's an apt episode title

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Laura: Some of those things happened, yes

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Xhafer: There were some revelations.

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We open on Lee looking at the Book of

Pythia, the Temple of, what was it?

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Laura: Aurora, I think

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Xhafer: thank you, on

Earth as Starbees walks in.

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They talk about the absence of Rosalyn and

Papa Damma, won't even look at his chair.

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Did you notice they lit his chair at the

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: in this shot of his empty chair

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: in it still?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: A plus.

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Like, okay, from a, like, this

is a spaceship thing, right?

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: a ch- you put a light over Adama,

not over the desk, so that way when you

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shoot Adama at the desk, he's well lit,

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: that light there anyways,

so it makes sense for it to just be

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that's where the light is on the ship.

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Laura: Uh-huh

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Xhafer: Um, but it feels so fucking extra.

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It's, like, glowing without him there.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Starbuck is still thinking about

things Leoben said, and that children

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have to replace their parents

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: as they get older

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, y- you're, you are there

to replace your parents, and

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you will not achieve your full

potential until your parents die.

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And to that I say, fuck you, Leoben.

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You're, you're not involved in

either side of this equation.

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What the fuck do you know?

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Laura: Exactly.

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I mean, mm, I guess a Leoben replaces

a Leoben when a Leoben dies, right?

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Except not anymore 'cause we got rid of

the hub, but that was the way that worked.

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But maybe it's not the same with people.

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Just saying.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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to catch up to the flotilla

here Diana notes she wants the

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fuck around four to come over.

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She only w- she specifically says

she only wants the fuck around four.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Well, here's some stuff

I wanna talk about.

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Xhafer: Yeah?

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Laura: says, "There

are four in your fleet.

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I want those."

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And to me, that means that

Number Five is on this ship.

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Xhafer: Okay

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Laura: Number Five doesn't know they're

Number Five and they're on this ship, but

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Xhafer: You think it's like…

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W- w- I wanna know your

thought process here.

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: this is, like, someone we

have not met or one of the humans

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Laura: I think

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Xhafer: Or do you think this is, like, a

Cylon, like a special Sharon or something

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that's secretly one of the Final…?

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No?

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Okay.

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Laura: No, no, I think,

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Xhafer: were two ways to

take it, so I wanted to know.

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Laura: no, I think that this

is either Rosalind or Gaius.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: I know she made

a jokey joke about it.

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Yeah, we've got Helo.

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I suppose, except they gave us

all that nonsense about, you know,

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the significant seven at least

shouldn't be able to reproduce.

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Um,

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Xhafer: Well,

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Laura: so

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Xhafer: we've seen if and Six have a baby

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Laura: true.

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It's true.

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Helo could too.

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Xhafer: so that,

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Laura: I just don't, I

just don't think it's Helo.

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I just don't.

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If it's Helo, I'm, it's l-

much less interesting than

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either Rosalyn or Gaius to me.

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Xhafer: Okay

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Laura: But I, I choose that

she says, "There are four in

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your fleet, and I want those."

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: That means, I mean, 'cause we,

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Xhafer: not in the fleet, hypothetically.

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Or the, or she doesn't want them because

they're so well positioned and/or hidden

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Laura: I also forgot that

Adama's on board at this point.

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We picked up Adama at the end of

the last episode, so it's, oh, it's

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gotta be Roslin, Adama, or Gaius

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Xhafer: Yeah, or one of the pilots

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Laura: Or one of the pilots, but I

just don't entertain that at all.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: on there or

some- like, there's a…

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Laura: it's Hot Dog.

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Xhafer: it's hot dog.

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Laura: It's Hot Dog and his STDs

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Xhafer: what?

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I'm just, I'm just gonna go

ahead and ruin it right now.

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Hot dog is not the

fifth of the final five.

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Laura: I just, I just don't see

the last member of the Final Five

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having as many STDs as Hot Dog has.

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I think they have some discernment.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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you're set on that though?

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It's, that means that the,

that they must be there

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Laura: I mean, it feels the most logical.

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It feels like the Occam's razor, right?

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'Cause

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Xhafer: just somewhere else entirely?

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Laura: The

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Xhafer: the final four of the final

five ended up in the flotilla.

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The fifth is, like, on

a ship fucking around

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Laura: no.

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Xhafer: that

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Okay

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Laura: It's not that.

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Um, I, I thought about it for

a minute and I was like, "When

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did Deanna get boxed exactly?"

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'Cause I thought if that was around

the time that Starbuck had left

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the fleet, then you could also

throw it could be Starbuck in there

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'cause she mi- she just woke up.

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She doesn't know that Starbuck's back.

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But I, I felt like just in my

mental accounting of the timeline

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of when things happened, it felt

like Deanna got boxed before that

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and that she couldn't have known.

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So,

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Xhafer: Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah

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Laura: yeah.

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So that's where I'm at is I think

number five has to be one of the

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three or I will grant you the pilots.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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I mean, like, there are, Is Helo the only

significant pilot down there right now?

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Laura: Uh, Was Felix with them?

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Felix is with them, I think.

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Hot Dog,

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Xhafer: Racetrack is there.

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Laura: maybe.

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Yeah, I can't remember exactly

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Xhafer: Racetrack and Skulls to track

them down, so Racetrack and Skulls aren't

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Laura: that's right.

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Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: fun for Racetrack because

Racetrack ended up on this show because

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she did not get cast as Number Six.

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Laura: Oh, yeah.

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Xhafer: was

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Laura: would be fun.

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Xhafer: the role of Six,

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: didn't get it, and then

they really liked her so they

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kept, brought her as a pilot

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: kept bringing her back, and she

just became part of the show as Racetrack.

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: but

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Laura: That could, that could have

been fun, but yeah, in a meta way.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I- in a, like, 20 people know this

during the production of the thing,

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but they'll find out later kind of

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: Moore was blogging during

the making of the show, so there's

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all kinds of stuff there too

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Laura: These creators are

always blogging, yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They love their blogs.

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Laura: Yeah, so

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Xhafer: me, Ron Moore, please.

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I can't handle that.

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Laura: He just seems so nice.

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Xhafer: He does

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Laura: Yeah.

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So after she makes that remark Adama's

like, "I just wanna know who they all are.

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Like, I need to know

about this, but too bad.

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You guys are now hostages."

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And it's so funny.

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Like, Adama and Helo, I think, pull

their guns while, like, all of the

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Toasters have arrived and like,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: he's just…

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They're both so outgunned.

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But even- but Helo's gotta stand by Dad.

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He's just gotta,

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Xhafer: Yeah, if Adam is going out guns

blazing, I'm going out with him for sure.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: got-- They do have the,

the pistols that have the little

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rocket thing that's really good

at killing a single toaster.

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Laura: Right, but there's

like so many in this room.

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Is this also the betrayal room?

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I didn't uh, didn't

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Xhafer: is, this is,

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Laura: to…

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Xhafer: This

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: is their, their bridge,

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Laura: It would've been fun if we

were back in the betrayal room.

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Xhafer: would have

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Laura: Yeah, but Roslin's like not,

she's like, "Oh, let's stand down.

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Like, let's deal with this reasonably."

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Xhafer: Deanna is like, "Okay,

so we're gonna go to Galactica.

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I'm gonna take Adama with me."

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: And then Rosalind is all

like, gotta blow us the fuck up if

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this doesn't work out perfectly."

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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If they're gonna take away the way

to Earth by taking those four off

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that ship, you need to stop that.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: right now Yeah.

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Oh, back in our CIC, Gaeta knocks

over his pills while he's, like,

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recovering and working at the same time.

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Xhafer: Yep

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Laura: Those pills can't

be good for the math

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Xhafer: I mean, probably not.

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Laura: I was worried.

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Xhafer: I mean, I've only, like,

I've taken, like, a single heavy,

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heavy-duty painkiller in my life.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: when I had my wisdom teeth out,

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: they gave me that good-good,

and I took one, and I fucking

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hated what it did to my brain.

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: not have a good time.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: So

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Laura: But imagine if you were asked

to work while you felt that way.

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Xhafer: I took off explicitly so

that I wouldn't have to do that.

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Laura: Geta should not

be here, this poor guy

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Xhafer: I mean, Gaeta strikes me as

the type to like, "Oh, shit's terrible.

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Let me bury myself in my work

so that I don't feel it."

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: Not the best.

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Laura: Not the best.

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Xhafer: way to handle that

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Laura: Dee is being very helpful to him.

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And for a second Ty is almost like,

"Hey, you wanna take a break?"

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: then we've got Dreydus.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: It's the base ship

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Xhafer: base ship makes it back.

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Adama, and not Athena their

way over to Galactica.

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D'Anna makes extended contact, eye

contact with the fuck around four.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Just like

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Xhafer: I were like Lee and she

gets off that ship and she stares at

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Ty and then Tory and then looks…

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Like she really…

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He spends a lot of time

looking at Ty and Tory.

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I don't know that she makes it up,

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Laura: Yeah, not totally sure about that.

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But they, those two are right together.

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Tyrion and Anders are standing together

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Like if I'm Lee and Tory volunteers

to go over after extended eye

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contact with Deanna after she's all

like, "Oh, they'll just make their

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way over to our ships, it's cool,"

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: ne- like there's

no way you can't see that

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Laura: Eight.

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Right?

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Tori's got the f-

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Xhafer: at Ty

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Laura: Yeah.

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Tory's got the, like, flimsy excuse

of, like, "I need to take the president

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her medicine, so I need to go with you,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: right now."

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Xhafer: And Ty's just like, "No!

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Not allowed."

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Laura: I mean, T- Ty does a better

cover, I think, of like, you know,

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"We can't give them another hostage."

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Um, but I mean, when you already-

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Xhafer: one more, it

doesn't fucking matter.

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Laura: Well, and, and like you

already have the president, like

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: the president's aide

is uh, I'm sorry, but like

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: here.

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She's all like, "I've got her pills.

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I'm her aide.

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I belong at her side.

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Like, just let me go help her, please."

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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But still, Lee should be a little more

like, suddenly after Deanna makes her

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all will be welcome speech, one of her

humans goes I need to go over there."

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I don't care what

reason you have, like,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: you should be suspicious.

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Xhafer: "The four will find

their way over to the base ship

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without revealing themselves.

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Just don't limit traffic.

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Just let traffic, air traffic happen

as normal amongst the flotilla, and

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they'll just sneak their way over.

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Don't you worry."

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: this seems like a

reasonable plan for them to

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make their way over eventually,

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: and she lets this happen

for, like, 20 minutes it seems like.

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She's like, "This is the plan

until I'm tired of waiting,"

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: immediately.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: then

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Laura: She's sitting there like,

"Well, Tory figured it out," right?

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So, like, "Y'all fuckers better move."

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: But Adama briefs Starbuck,

Tigh, and Lee that Roslin wants

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that base ship destroyed before

they lose the way to Earth.

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So, like, whatever happens, we need

to have a backup plan on how to

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Xhafer: How to do that, yeah.

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Laura: take this thing out.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: this has to be the plan

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Laura: And then Tigh,

Tigh's got his oh fuck face.

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Xhafer: He's so good at it.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: we go to theme.

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Survivor count 39,665.

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We are down casualties from the

Battle of the Resurrection Hub,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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I, I think he was the other

Count and I'm fine with that.

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Yeah.

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So Athena is in the war room.

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She knows kind of base ship layout

and says, you know, "The prisoners

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were here, but they've had to

be moved because we know that."

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They're trying to figure out the

best way to assault, and Ty's

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like, "Just, isn't there just,

like, anything else we could do?"

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: And uh, Starbuck is very funny

when she says, "Those four could

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just give themselves the fuck up."

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Xhafer: Right.

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Ty, "Ooh."

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Laura: Neee.

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Xhafer: on shirt collar.

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Laura: Yep.

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Tori's mincing no words.

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She is introduced to the

family and immediately accepts

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Xhafer: She's come home, she's

introduced to The Silents.

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They're like, "You're

one of the final five?"

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And the audience is like, "We know!

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We don't believe it either."

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Laura: So, it seems like, kind of jumping

ahead to some of the speculation talk that

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you're wanting to really do, the way that

the Significant Seven look at the Final

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Five is they, they believe that there's

something very important about them, that

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it seems like th- if there's a hierarchy,

the Final Five should be above us somehow.

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They've

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: got more something.

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They know something.

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I don't get hella vibes of that from Tory.

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I don't feel like she knows

anything special, that she's got

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some sort of command presence

for these Significant Seven.

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I don't know what we're gonna

get out of that in the future

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Xhafer: let's save it for the end.

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But

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Laura: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: stuff.

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Laura: Yeah.

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'Cause she's just sort of looking

around real blank this whole time

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Xhafer: Well, they all seem like

they are just themselves, but also

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they know that they're Cylons now.

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Laura: Right.

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Right

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Xhafer: don't, they're not

talking about anything else.

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Like, it's just their jobs and

also they know that they're Cylons.

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So, anyways Rosalyn is

changing Baltar's bandages

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: and he's all like,

"Thanks for not murdering me.

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I know that must have

been difficult for you."

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: Yeah, it was.

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Laura: He likes living, so we

should let him do that, I guess.

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Xhafer: big ups on

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Laura: Yeah.

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th- the next thing that ha- there's

a lot of things in this episode

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that happen that I'm like, "I don't

understand why this is happening."

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She tells him not to be grateful, and

then what she told Adama about blowing

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the ship up, and I'm like, "Why the

fuck would you tell that to Gaius?

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Why?"

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Xhafer: Of everyone.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: all like, "I will

do anything to stay alive."

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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And has had relationships, close

relationships with some of these Cylons?

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Like, if he gets out of your sight for a

second, you can bet he's skittering down

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the hallway to tell them, like, what's up.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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By the way,

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Laura: What?

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I

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not smart, Mom

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Tori comes in, hands Roslyn her pills, and

also outs herself as one of the final five

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Laura: Also classic Gaius behavior

when he's like, "Oh, yes, I knew it.

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I mean, I didn't know it, but at

some level I had to have known it."

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Xhafer: This, like, I, so I don't know.

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Like, the way he reacts here me of a very

specific trope from this time in cinema

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Laura: Okay

506

Xhafer: but occasionally TV.

507

and by all modern standards, it is gross.

508

Laura: Yeah

509

Xhafer: It is something that we have

moved past as a society, and this is

510

not quite that, but it is very similar

to that in the way that he reacts.

511

And it brought back a, like, flood of,

like, seeing movies this happened and

512

being honestly a little disgusted, at…

513

I mean, once finding these things funny,

514

Laura: Mm-hmm.

515

Xhafer: my brain was a pile of Jell-O and

before I could fully critically think.

516

Laura: Yeah

517

Xhafer: but the trope that this kind of

invoked in my memory was the person who

518

is like the kinda like playboy character,

519

Laura: Mm-hmm.

520

Mm-hmm

521

Xhafer: who finds themselves

attracted to someone of the same

522

gender inexplicably and then finds

523

Laura: Oh

524

Xhafer: that they are actually the gender

that they are normally attracted to

525

Laura: Hmm.

526

Yeah

527

Xhafer: The like, "Oh, why is that, why

do I think that dude's kind of cute?

528

That's w-" And then they find

out it's a girl, and then

529

Laura: Like they're so relieved.

530

Xhafer: wave of like relief

and like I knew I was right.

531

I knew that there was something

about you that would make it normal

532

for me to be attracted to you,

533

Laura: Yeah

534

Xhafer: I should question my sexuality.

535

Laura: Yeah

536

Xhafer: that trope for that, that's

what played out on Gaius' face for me.

537

Laura: Yeah.

538

Mm-hmm

539

Xhafer: I knew I was a Cylon fucker.

540

Laura: Yeah.

541

Mm-hmm.

542

Mm-hmm

543

Xhafer: and I have, I have fifis about it.

544

Because one, it me of that disgusting

trope that we have, ugh, we've

545

almost come so far as a society

546

Laura: gonna say, I wouldn't you know,

you kinda used the words before that

547

we've moved past that, and I was like, "I

don't know that that's everyone, Jefair."

548

Xhafer: It's not.

549

Laura: It's not.

550

Xhafer: it was.

551

Laura: Yeah

552

Xhafer: we're, we're so close

to moving past that being funny,

553

Laura: Yeah

554

Xhafer: As a society.

555

But it also just like, it just brought

that like straight to the front of my

556

brain meats and I had to like pause.

557

Laura: Yeah

558

Xhafer: I had to just pause and

reconcile some thoughts and yeah

559

Laura: Yeah, thanks for pointing that

out, 'cause I, I also was like, well,

560

Gaius will just say anything, right?

561

Of course, I can talk to hybrids.

562

Um, I knew this about you, blah, blah,

We, we kinda did see that Gracchus knew.

563

Like, 'cause Gracchus told

him to be careful, but he

564

didn't c- he didn't get it.

565

He didn't…

566

He was not…

567

Th- th- those synapses never

actually connected for Gaius Baltar.

568

But it was like, huh, if Gracchus is,

like, his subconscious, then maybe

569

the broken clock is right this time.

570

But he never, he never consciously

understood a goddamn thing.

571

Xhafer: No

572

Laura: oh, but Tory, Tory does

say something sinister here,

573

Xhafer: Yeah.

574

Laura: that

575

Xhafer: mean, just I don't, I don't

know that it's sinister so much as it's

576

I'm done with your bullshit, Rosalyn

577

Laura: Well, yeah, she, she's like,

"Uh, you need to think about what

578

else you were wrong about besides me."

579

Xhafer: Yeah

580

Laura: and that was a

little sinister to me.

581

Xhafer: that's fair.

582

thinking more of the, like, "I'm not

doing what you tell me to anymore"

583

Laura: No.

584

No, it was before that.

585

Xhafer: okay, yeah.

586

What else have you been wrong about?

587

I mean, she does know the rest of

the Fuck Around Four's identities,

588

Laura: Yeah.

589

Xhafer: so

590

Laura: But I don't know.

591

I kind of feel like there's a lot

embedded in that, more than just

592

the identity of the other three.

593

So yeah uh, Deanna's called to start

executing people for some reason

594

Xhafer: Just like, it's been like

15 minutes and she's all like,

595

"They haven't made it over yet?

596

Start fucking killing the humans."

597

Laura: Yeah.

598

This is so weird after her speech of

like, "I'm in contact with the other

599

four," which we know is a lie, "and

they can come over whenever they like.

600

Now I have to force them."

601

is our love.

602

Come accept our love as we murder people

603

Xhafer: this to work?

604

Like, this

605

Laura: It's weird.

606

Xhafer: to me,

607

Laura: It's weird.

608

Yeah

609

Xhafer: Yeah.

610

it, it, it adds a lot of tension to

the episode, and it does a great job of

611

this, like, escalation loop that we have

612

Laura: Uh-huh.

613

Xhafer: half where things

just keep crazier and crazier

614

and crazier very quickly.

615

Laura: Yeah

616

Xhafer: and so I mean, it, it makes

for compelling television, but it

617

does not make sense in terms of

the characters' actions and plot.

618

Laura: No

619

Xhafer: that they have been

prone to choose violence a

620

number of times the Deannas have,

621

Laura: Mm-hmm.

622

Xhafer: calls out at one point

623

uh,

624

Laura: Mm-hmm

625

Xhafer: still feels

like it's way too soon.

626

Laura: Yes.

627

Xhafer: Like, if

628

Laura: Yeah

629

Xhafer: a card up that

was, like, 48 hours later

630

Laura: Yeah.

631

Xhafer: I would have been fine with this

632

Laura: But it's been

like 30 minutes, guys.

633

And I don't know, it just, it-

considering what we had Deanna saying

634

in the last episode, you know, right

there at the end, she was like,

635

"I've gotta look out for myself now."

636

And that to me said uh, you know,

and she's worried about death too,

637

death is permanent, that she was going

to find like a more measured take.

638

No.

639

Th- this ain't it.

640

Xhafer: This ain't it.

641

Ty Tyrell and Samuel T.

642

Anders are all down at

Starbucks' brand new Viper

643

Laura: Wait, is his middle name really T?

644

Xhafer: Yeah

645

Laura: Oh, I didn't know that.

646

It's probably been said and

I just hadn't paid attention.

647

Xhafer: Yeah

648

Laura: funny.

649

Yeah.

650

What does that T stand for, I wonder?

651

I feel like we should … It should

be a thing and we should find out.

652

Xhafer: Um, you know what?

653

I can Google

654

Laura: Well, it's clearly not

important because, like, we d- haven't

655

brought it up, but it'd be so funny

if there were significance about the

656

tea names of all the four Silens.

657

Xhafer: Let's see.

658

Samuel T.

659

Anders.

660

Yeah, even his Wikipedia page is

661

Laura: It's just tea

662

Xhafer: Wikipedia page is Samuel T.

663

Anders

664

Laura: Did we get this far and we were

like, "Oh fuck, he has the wrong name.

665

Let's just throw a T in there."

666

Xhafer: They ha-- the

rest of them have Ts.

667

Um, man, I don't see it saying

his middle name anywhere,

668

Laura: Okay,

669

Xhafer: what

670

Laura: that's fine.

671

Xhafer: I'm, like, really quickly

skimming this Wikipedia article though,

672

so it could be in here somewhere, but

673

Laura: Well, we're, like, hearing

the static again, all of us.

674

We get, like, Tyrol's hearing it as

Figurski's trying to talk to him.

675

Starbuck is trying to bri- brief

the team, but Anders is distracted.

676

And then we see Tory, like, faint

a little bit on the, the Basestar.

677

Ali Oben, like, holds her up,

but he's, like, way too close.

678

It's so gross.

679

He's just like,

680

Xhafer: Yeah

681

Laura: Oben's a close talker.

682

He's just always too close.

683

Xhafer: was just all like,

684

Laura: Ew.

685

Xhafer: here to catch you."

686

"Duh."

687

Laura: Lee oben gross.

688

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

689

Laura: But we all wind up at the Viper,

those of us who are on Galactica.

690

Xhafer: Yep, they, they

wind up at The Viper.

691

There's something about

it that has drawn them.

692

Sam suggests going and getting Cara,

Ty's all like, "You guys do that.

693

I'm gonna go talk to Bill."

694

Laura: Yeah.

695

This is…

696

I did call it though, that Ty

was gonna eventually talk to Dad

697

Xhafer: That was the bit of the

episode description that I edited out.

698

Laura: Yeah.

699

I

700

Xhafer: confronts Adamo with the

truth," or something like that, yeah?

701

Laura: Yeah.

702

I, I knew that he had to go talk to Dad,

703

Xhafer: He's,

704

Laura: ca- I wanted

him to do this earlier.

705

I thought that he should talk

to Dad earlier, but, … Yeah,

706

I, I understand, so

707

Xhafer: Yeah

708

Laura: Yeah, he asked

him to scrub the mission

709

Xhafer: Yeah.

710

He has to, well he, he's

all like, "Unless you've…

711

Though these are our options,

unless you have some other option.

712

You don't happen to know who any of

the, the fuck around four are, do you?"

713

Laura: He's the fuckiest of

the Fuck Around Four, actually.

714

Xhafer: named them for me.

715

He, he comes clean.

716

He admits that he, he's known

he's a Cylon for months now.

717

And he brings…

718

Adama is like the surrogate for the

audience here and also like the online

719

community who was saying these things.

720

Laura: Yeah

721

Xhafer: all like, "We

know how Cylons work.

722

We know how time works.

723

impossible.

724

You can't be a Cylon."

725

Laura: Oh, counterpoint.

726

Can if Adama is also Cylon?

727

Eh?

728

Xhafer: True.

729

That's true.

730

That'd make that very

731

Laura: Mm-hmm

732

Yeah.

733

the new Caprica stuff too

734

Xhafer: Yeah, he brings up a point

here that's all like, " Maybe you

735

were just brainwashed on New Caprica."

736

Laura: Yeah

737

Xhafer: a Cylon.

738

Maybe this is something fucking with

your, your brain right now, and this is

739

all lies that have been implanted in you

for this thing, for the Cylons' plan.

740

And then the audience has to consider that

because that's, that's, that's possible

741

and all of the people who we know to be

the fuck around four were on New Caprica

742

Laura: Hmm.

743

Xhafer: They

744

Laura: Yeah

745

Xhafer: from the Cylon government

at some point on New Caprica

746

Laura: Yeah.

747

Did-- We don't know for sure about Tori

748

Xhafer: we don't-- We know Tori

was there, but we don't really…

749

They would-- She didn't have

any story on New Caprica.

750

Laura: Yeah.

751

Xhafer: We just

752

Laura: Yeah, she,

753

Xhafer: her.

754

Laura: she had been the

president's assistant, right?

755

Before Ducaprica, she had

been Rosalind's assistant?

756

Xhafer: and sh-

757

Laura: 'Cause

758

Xhafer: like, helping

with the school and the

759

Laura: Yeah.

760

Yeah

761

Xhafer: we don't, she, we

don't really do much with her

762

Laura: Yeah

763

Xhafer: hypothetically, she

could've been brainwashed too.

764

Do you buy this?

765

Is there a, a, a bone of your body that

bought into this theory as a possibility?

766

Laura: Not really, because I

know how much show we have left.

767

You know, if, if I'd been watching this

in real time, I don't know, maybe I

768

would've felt a little, mm, less sure.

769

But that seems like a complicated

thing to weave in when you've only

770

got 10 episodes left at this point.

771

Xhafer: That's fair

772

Laura: Yeah, so I, I wasn't … And

Ty dismisses it entirely.

773

Ty does not even entertain it either.

774

Xhafer: No.

775

Ty's just like, "Bill, I know

that I'm a fucking Cylon."

776

Like…

777

Laura: Yeah.

778

Yeah.

779

And I suppose maybe if it had been

brought up earlier, like if I had been in

780

a fan community that was thinking about

it, like earlier in the season, maybe

781

I would've considered that as possible.

782

But the way Ty dismisses it right

now is like the show saying, "Great,

783

great job guys, but it ain't that."

784

Xhafer: Yeah.

785

For sure.

786

I mean, that's what this scene does in a

787

Laura: Yeah.

788

Xhafer: ways.

789

That's what it's there for.

790

Laura: Mm-hmm.

791

Xhafer: at the fans in a lot of ways,

792

Laura: Yeah

793

Xhafer: which is fun and interesting.

794

I mean, we talked about it like, you know,

when you made your guesses for Cylons,

795

Laura: Mm-hmm

796

Xhafer: the only thing that even

made you think Ty was when he

797

started hearing the music the episode

before they told us it was Ty.

798

Laura: Yeah.

799

Yeah.

800

'Cause I was really, I really thought

it was more interesting if Ty and

801

Ellen were just two messy humans.

802

Xhafer: Yeah

803

Laura: but it's, it was

actually the other thing,

804

Xhafer: Yeah.

805

Laura: so

806

Xhafer: Cylon.

807

Yep.

808

crazy.

809

so he's all like, "Okay, well, uh,

since this is the way I guess I

810

will offer myself up as tribute."

811

Laura: Yeah.

812

You should flush me out the airlock, or

813

Xhafer: Th-

814

Laura: least threaten to.

815

Xhafer: threaten to

flush me out the airlock.

816

Yeah

817

Laura: yeah, but he's gotta know

that's a real possibility, right?

818

Xhafer: Yeah.

819

Well, I mean, Rosalind's not on the ship.

820

He's probably safe

821

Laura: Yeah

822

Xhafer: now.

823

Laura: So Adama loses his mind in his

quarters when we get back from commercial

824

Xhafer: He has a fit of

rage and deep, deep sadness.

825

Laura: Mm-hmm.

826

Xhafer: stuff, he breaks a

mirror, he drinks himself stupid.

827

Luckily his ship got beaten up

like two episodes ago, so it

828

wasn't there for him to smash

829

Laura: I know I said that to Aaron.

830

I was like, "Oh, thank God he hadn't

fixed that little ship in the Raptor."

831

Xhafer: He had brought

it with him, fixed it up.

832

We see him, like, fixing it

very meticulously in the scenes.

833

They cut to it, like, four times.

834

He sets it down.

835

Like, he br- he goes down to the raptor.

836

We watch him walk it to his room.

837

He sets it down as Ty walks in.

838

Laura: If, if you ever needed a

running comedy gag in the show,

839

that would've been a good one.

840

Xhafer: Yeah, that would've been great.

841

Laura: Yeah.

842

Lee winds up, like, holding

his dad next to the bathtub.

843

Xhafer: Yeah

844

Laura: A- Adam is, like, crying that he

sent people to die over this, and there

845

is no Earth, and that he can't kill Ty

846

Xhafer: Yeah.

847

Laura: And

848

Xhafer: do it.

849

He,

850

Laura: was

851

Xhafer: He just can't bring himself to

do it, and so Lisa like, "It's okay, Dad.

852

I got this one."

853

Laura: I, I can kill Ty.

854

Don't worry about it.

855

He does immediately march down to the

airlock and clocks Saul right in the face.

856

Xhafer: Sure does.

857

Laura: Very good.

858

He wants to know who the others are.

859

Fair.

860

And then calls Deanna and is

like, "Hey, I've got Saul Ty in

861

the airlock, and fuck this guy."

862

Xhafer: Right?

863

You wanna stop killing people now maybe?

864

Thanks.

865

Laura: Yep

866

Xhafer: "Fuck."

867

Laura: And he, he is a little more

rational when he gets off the phone.

868

He turns to Ty, 'cause Ty's like, j- just

standing there, and he says like, "Hey,

869

if you really wanna save this fleet, you

do have to tell me who the others are.

870

Like, that's what I need.

871

We need the leverage.

872

And if you r- you're telling

my dad you really care, if you

873

really care, you have to do this."

874

And he is

875

Xhafer: our trust, you have to tell us.

876

Laura: I mean, he's right.

877

Yeah.

878

So he's got two more he can go get

879

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

880

And they do.

881

Laura: they have gotten Starbuck first,

and they've got her looking at the Viper

882

Xhafer: She's looking around and

then the Marines come in and arrest

883

the remaining fuck around four.

884

And Kara's just all like, "The fuck?"

885

And then Sam is just all like, "Yeah

886

Laura: Sorry.

887

Xhafer: Eh

888

Laura: She did say she would kill him

herself if she found out he was a Cylon

889

Xhafer: Sure did.

890

She sure said that

891

That, that did not help.

892

Starbies uh, she gets in the cockpit

of her new Viper as Deanna keeps

893

choosing escalation over standing down.

894

Lee's all like, "I've got

them all in the airlock.

895

Please stand down now."

896

And she's all like, "How about no?"

897

it just keeps ratcheting up.

898

Laura: Oh

899

Xhafer: aimed at the civilian fleet.

900

Laura: Well

901

Xhafer: keeps building

902

Laura: And Deanna's is going to

execute more hostages, and Roslin's

903

like, "Well, I, I, I'm president.

904

I should talk to her."

905

And then Gaius is like, "No, it's me.

906

I slept with her.

907

I should talk to her."

908

Xhafer: She saw like, know what?"

909

Laura: I, part of me was,

like, kind of impressed that

910

she was like, "You know what?

911

Yeah, I think it is him."

912

And it wasn't from a place of like, "Yeah,

let's let this fucker go get himself

913

killed and then, then I'll talk to her."

914

It was like a sincere, genuine

like, "Eh, you know what?

915

Maybe."

916

Like, they, they slept together.

917

Okay.

918

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

919

Laura: but yeah, we're gonna

have like a dramatic bunch of

920

minutes trying to deescalate,

except nobody's actually trying.

921

We're just gonna escalate

for a minute until

922

Xhafer: Yeah Starbuck finds

something in the Viper here.

923

Laura: Yeah

924

Xhafer: She's messing around

with the signals, and she starts

925

running, and then we cut to her

dramatically running a couple times

926

while the-- more stuff happens

927

Laura: Yeah, Gaius is

trying religion with Deanna.

928

He's doing the, "This isn't what

God meant you for," something.

929

And you've tried brute force all these

times, and it just, it doesn't work.

930

It didn't work on Caprica.

931

It didn't work on New Caprica.

932

It's not gonna work now.

933

And then Ty is, like, telling Lee, " Go

ahead and flush me," because I think

934

he had all three of them in the

airlock, but he pulls the two out.

935

He's just gonna

936

Xhafer: Do

937

Laura: sacrifice Ty first.

938

Yeah.

939

But Starbuck is gonna interrupt us

940

Xhafer: Yep.

941

She has found Earth

942

Laura: Yeah.

943

Lee sits in the Raptor back from

commercial and is like, "I don't know,

944

Starbuck, this is kinda reaching."

945

Xhafer: This seems like a

giant skip in the plot for the

946

convenience of the writers.

947

I don't know

948

Laura: Yeah, and she's like, "But the

hybrid, we talked to the hybrid all

949

those episodes ago, and it said this,

and it said this, and it said that."

950

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

951

Laura: So this must be it.

952

This signal must be it.

953

And I guess Lee calls over to Deanna

and is like, "Hey, here's some bullshit.

954

You wanna come listen to it?"

955

Xhafer: Yep.

956

And she does.

957

She comes over, she listens to it.

958

They're like, "This is Earth, guys.

959

We found it."

960

Four, or the Fuck Around

Four are like, don't know.

961

Seems like it's Earth."

962

Laura: I guess, I guess we found

it 'cause we could hear the thing.

963

Xhafer: Yeah Uh, and they're

just like, "Okay yeah."

964

And Lee's all like, "Look,

we invited you over.

965

We're sharing in this.

966

At some point, we're going to have to

decide to stop choosing violence, and we

967

need to do that before we're all dead.

968

Laura: Yeah.

969

Xhafer: please stop

choosing violence and do

970

Laura: Valid.

971

Valid

972

Xhafer: Yeah

973

Laura: So yeah, Lee goes to tell Dad,

"Hey, this is what's happening now."

974

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

975

Laura: and he's like, "I don't

know if this, if I'm ready

976

to lead the people to Earth."

977

And, and Rosalyn's like, "But this is it.

978

This is what we've worked for."

979

And he just says, "Frack," and gets up,

and I was like, "Oh no, Dad is broken."

980

But joke's on me, he just

went to get his uniform.

981

Xhafer: Yeah, it's gotta get changed.

982

So we've had, like, a

couple minutes of this.

983

There's a couple more minutes of this.

984

Listener, if you've seen the show or

at the very least watched this episode

985

before listening to us talk about

it, this-- We get, like, 10 solid

986

minutes of hope for the future here.

987

Laura: Is it 10 whole minutes?

988

Xhafer: yeah, there's a lot of

this, and it's just like Bear

989

Laura: Oh

990

Xhafer: strings are swelling with

hopefulness in the background and stuff.

991

It's like, I think I timed it

as, like, seven and a half.

992

But yeah, it's, is a lengthy segment

of, like, "We've found Earth."

993

From the time they say, "We've found

Earth," to them landing on Earth

994

Laura: Yeah

995

Xhafer: is, like, seven, eight minutes

996

Laura: Hmm

997

Xhafer: like, "We did it, guys.

998

We've reached the end of our journey."

999

Laura: Honestly

00:42:31,689 --> 00:42:35,269

Xhafer: so disingenuous

given what's about to happen.

00:42:35,797 --> 00:42:38,537

Laura: I felt like it

was a dream or some shit.

00:42:38,537 --> 00:42:40,577

I was like, "This doesn't feel real."

00:42:40,607 --> 00:42:42,265

Like something's

00:42:42,821 --> 00:42:44,751

Xhafer: you, you understand

the tone of the show

00:42:44,851 --> 00:42:45,191

Laura: Yeah.

00:42:45,211 --> 00:42:46,231

Xhafer: what's about to happen.

00:42:46,471 --> 00:42:46,871

Laura: Yeah

00:42:47,001 --> 00:42:50,351

Xhafer: if you didn't know what was

about to happen, you, you understood

00:42:50,351 --> 00:42:52,711

that this is not the show that's

going to give you that moment.

00:42:53,235 --> 00:42:53,773

Laura: Yeah.

00:42:53,984 --> 00:42:54,574

Xhafer: and it doesn't.

00:42:55,354 --> 00:43:00,184

It feels disingenuous for the show to

build so much time building this hopeful

00:43:00,184 --> 00:43:06,074

moment just to, like, on you in silence

for the 90-second ending of this episode.

00:43:07,105 --> 00:43:09,155

I don't believe this is disingenuous.

00:43:10,065 --> 00:43:10,275

Laura: No

00:43:11,115 --> 00:43:12,195

Xhafer: I think it's very human.

00:43:13,115 --> 00:43:17,865

I think that it's this continued hope

in the face of hopelessness is the only

00:43:17,865 --> 00:43:19,835

way to find a world with hope in it.

00:43:20,801 --> 00:43:21,241

Laura: Hmm.

00:43:21,335 --> 00:43:28,435

Xhafer: And it really resonated

with me given world at the moment.

00:43:29,185 --> 00:43:30,835

Laura: Every, all the everything

00:43:31,825 --> 00:43:37,675

Xhafer: I, I mean, this

airs in three or four weeks.

00:43:38,433 --> 00:43:38,933

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:43:39,125 --> 00:43:45,705

Xhafer: Um, we have not reached a

ceasefire with Iran right now in that war.

00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:52,365

there's, Thomas Massie just lost his

primary, and that's looking weird.

00:43:52,707 --> 00:43:53,147

Laura: Yeah.

00:43:54,057 --> 00:43:55,467

Somebody in Louisiana too.

00:43:55,787 --> 00:43:55,897

Mm-hmm

00:43:56,231 --> 00:43:59,341

Xhafer: uh, it's just like, you know,

not that I'm a fan of Thomas Massie,

00:43:59,341 --> 00:44:04,212

although he did say something very,

very funny the other day where someone's

00:44:04,234 --> 00:44:04,764

Laura: Mm.

00:44:04,882 --> 00:44:06,782

Xhafer: Someone in front of him

is like, "You lost because you

00:44:06,782 --> 00:44:07,812

didn't believe your constituents."

00:44:07,812 --> 00:44:12,062

And he's all like, "None of my

constituents are on Epstein's Island."

00:44:12,172 --> 00:44:12,882

Or something like…

00:44:12,882 --> 00:44:14,622

Yeah, it's it was…

00:44:14,802 --> 00:44:15,532

There's some stuff.

00:44:15,982 --> 00:44:20,152

Um, there's just, there's lots

of, like, weird stuff happening

00:44:20,412 --> 00:44:21,802

at all given times right now.

00:44:22,132 --> 00:44:23,872

Data centers, surveillance state, like

00:44:24,462 --> 00:44:24,732

Laura: Yeah.

00:44:25,342 --> 00:44:25,552

Yep

00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,930

Xhafer: And it felt really good to

be super hopeful for like 10 minutes.

00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:32,850

I think I needed that.

00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,660

I think I needed the seven minutes uh,

before returning to the last 90 seconds.

00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:39,100

Um,

00:44:39,194 --> 00:44:41,134

Laura: didn't trust it the

whole time it was happening.

00:44:41,134 --> 00:44:42,534

I was like, "No, something's wrong.

00:44:42,534 --> 00:44:43,834

Something bad is about to happen."

00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:47,160

Xhafer: why I cried watching For

All Mankind a couple days ago,

00:44:47,554 --> 00:44:48,774

Laura: Oh.

00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:51,640

Xhafer: there was a

incredibly hopeful moment.

00:44:52,368 --> 00:44:52,928

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,230

Xhafer: and I was just all like,

"Oh man, I needed this so bad."

00:44:57,488 --> 00:44:59,168

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:01,010

Xhafer: That's a good show for this.

00:45:01,507 --> 00:45:01,827

Laura: Yeah.

00:45:03,167 --> 00:45:03,437

Ugh.

00:45:04,219 --> 00:45:04,599

Xhafer: yeah

00:45:06,517 --> 00:45:08,707

Laura: We're gonna roll

the hard six together.

00:45:08,707 --> 00:45:12,887

That's how Adama leaves

that scene, but we get

00:45:12,894 --> 00:45:16,604

Xhafer: f- we're not gonna fuck around

with sending scouting crews or doing

00:45:16,604 --> 00:45:19,164

any kind of advanced observation.

00:45:19,374 --> 00:45:21,614

The whole fleet's going right now.

00:45:21,654 --> 00:45:22,374

Fuck it

00:45:22,766 --> 00:45:23,076

Laura: Yep.

00:45:23,406 --> 00:45:24,366

We all go together.

00:45:24,786 --> 00:45:26,936

Base Star comes along, Base Star included.

00:45:27,528 --> 00:45:28,148

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:45:28,606 --> 00:45:29,306

Laura: Yeah.

00:45:29,956 --> 00:45:34,856

We get a lot of montage, lots of montage

that I couldn't write everything down.

00:45:34,856 --> 00:45:37,486

But I do remember Figurski gets a kiss.

00:45:37,486 --> 00:45:38,806

That, that was good for him.

00:45:39,966 --> 00:45:40,246

Xhafer: Yep.

00:45:40,966 --> 00:45:43,466

Rosalyn gives the order, order to jump.

00:45:43,686 --> 00:45:44,316

They jump.

00:45:45,076 --> 00:45:46,446

Gated confirms they made it.

00:45:47,396 --> 00:45:51,470

We see the fleet approaching big blue dot

00:45:51,634 --> 00:45:52,324

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:45:53,376 --> 00:45:57,526

Xhafer: Adama gets on the radio and

announces to everyone they found Earth.

00:45:58,526 --> 00:45:59,426

celebrates.

00:46:00,286 --> 00:46:02,296

Lee turns CIC into Coyote Ugly

00:46:04,316 --> 00:46:04,686

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:04,878 --> 00:46:05,428

Xhafer: jumping

00:46:05,526 --> 00:46:08,536

Laura: of the unbelievable things

that I was like, "No, we're, like,

00:46:08,536 --> 00:46:10,116

in somebody's dream sequence."

00:46:10,556 --> 00:46:11,676

Like

00:46:11,865 --> 00:46:14,815

Xhafer: takes his suit coat off,

starts to unbutton his shirt,

00:46:14,845 --> 00:46:16,735

and jumps on top of a table.

00:46:17,192 --> 00:46:17,872

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:46:19,925 --> 00:46:24,925

Xhafer: We get shots all around the

fleet of cheering crying and hugging.

00:46:24,925 --> 00:46:27,565

We see like all over, they show us

00:46:27,666 --> 00:46:28,346

Laura: Oh yeah, like

00:46:28,425 --> 00:46:29,425

Xhafer: just Galactica

00:46:29,456 --> 00:46:32,956

Laura: the tilium refiner

we're celebrating over there.

00:46:32,986 --> 00:46:33,436

Yeah.

00:46:33,636 --> 00:46:33,956

Mm-hmm

00:46:34,615 --> 00:46:37,915

Xhafer: we see Starbuck on the wall of

the fallen looking at the picture of Cat.

00:46:37,975 --> 00:46:40,125

There's tons of people having

similar experiences in the

00:46:40,125 --> 00:46:41,175

background of this shot.

00:46:41,547 --> 00:46:42,027

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:46:42,815 --> 00:46:46,075

Xhafer: And basically every

shuttle or lander in the flotilla

00:46:46,075 --> 00:46:47,365

heads down to the surface.

00:46:47,365 --> 00:46:50,665

We just see a ton of

ships go down to land.

00:46:51,019 --> 00:46:51,579

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:46:51,845 --> 00:46:54,785

Xhafer: And then it cuts, and it's gray.

00:46:56,055 --> 00:46:56,225

We

00:46:56,281 --> 00:46:58,451

Laura: Geiger counter is a-goin'

00:46:58,835 --> 00:47:00,955

Xhafer: we hear a Geiger

counter going crazy.

00:47:01,335 --> 00:47:05,835

Adama grabs the handful of

earth that Rosalyn promised him.

00:47:06,187 --> 00:47:06,777

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:47:07,225 --> 00:47:09,545

Xhafer: It just, like,

is dust in his hands.

00:47:10,035 --> 00:47:12,765

There are absolutely no words ever.

00:47:12,765 --> 00:47:13,575

They just pan.

00:47:13,775 --> 00:47:15,225

The entire cast is here.

00:47:15,555 --> 00:47:20,225

The entire cast is devastated,

it eventually pans up to see

00:47:20,225 --> 00:47:23,245

just ruins of this massive city.

00:47:24,475 --> 00:47:26,015

There is nothing living here

00:47:26,995 --> 00:47:27,235

Laura: Yep.

00:47:27,325 --> 00:47:28,225

Xhafer: end credits

00:47:29,165 --> 00:47:29,525

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:29,705 --> 00:47:39,405

And the, like, unspoken message of this

to me is that they destroyed themselves.

00:47:40,513 --> 00:47:40,633

Xhafer: M-

00:47:40,755 --> 00:47:41,225

Laura: Like,

00:47:41,403 --> 00:47:41,953

Xhafer: than likely.

00:47:42,063 --> 00:47:42,183

I

00:47:42,205 --> 00:47:44,295

Laura: it feel, it feels very, um

00:47:44,835 --> 00:47:47,445

Xhafer: It doesn't feel like this

happened in a timeframe where

00:47:47,445 --> 00:47:52,135

the Cylons would've, like, showed

up, blown it up, and then peaced.

00:47:52,135 --> 00:47:54,465

Like, this wasn't Cavil

was here 10 minutes ago

00:47:54,569 --> 00:47:55,139

Laura: Yeah

00:47:55,775 --> 00:47:57,745

Xhafer: This has been a long time

00:47:57,961 --> 00:48:01,801

Laura: This is Charlton Heston,

like, finding the Statue of Liberty

00:48:01,801 --> 00:48:04,651

going, "My God, they blew it up."

00:48:05,313 --> 00:48:05,603

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:06,543

Uh, for sure.

00:48:07,075 --> 00:48:11,155

it has to have been hundreds if not

thousands of years it feels like

00:48:11,163 --> 00:48:12,243

Laura: Well, that's what I was wondering.

00:48:12,243 --> 00:48:15,453

That's if we would just

wanna segue into questions

00:48:15,929 --> 00:48:16,389

Xhafer: let's go.

00:48:16,389 --> 00:48:16,779

You…

00:48:16,909 --> 00:48:18,679

So you had a bunch of notes.

00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:22,490

Uh, We tried to record this

pretty soon after watching.

00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,380

Um, so you wrote down a bunch of stuff.

00:48:25,450 --> 00:48:27,150

I wanna hear your thoughts and theories

00:48:28,142 --> 00:48:30,092

Laura: Well, some of them are questions

00:48:30,246 --> 00:48:30,506

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:30,826 --> 00:48:33,156

I mean, I may answer, but probably not.

00:48:33,614 --> 00:48:34,044

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:34,474 --> 00:48:37,734

Just looking from the scenery,

00:48:38,192 --> 00:48:38,442

Xhafer: Yeah

00:48:39,014 --> 00:48:41,794

Laura: it, yeah, I was

wondering how long has it been?

00:48:42,674 --> 00:48:46,714

Xhafer: If you can hang out

there, has to have been a while

00:48:47,082 --> 00:48:47,562

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:48,042 --> 00:48:48,422

Yeah.

00:48:48,662 --> 00:48:49,622

So we're, we're…

00:48:49,622 --> 00:48:51,822

The Geiger counter's still going crazy,

00:48:52,322 --> 00:48:52,802

Xhafer: Yeah

00:48:53,292 --> 00:48:56,272

Laura: but it's not so crazy that

we have to, like, be down here

00:48:56,272 --> 00:48:58,512

with special equipment it seems

00:48:58,540 --> 00:49:00,810

Xhafer: I mean, they might

should be, but they also might

00:49:00,810 --> 00:49:02,580

just have like Rad-X or some…

00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,990

we've seen them take radiation meds.

00:49:04,990 --> 00:49:05,520

Like we saw them

00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:06,100

Laura: Hmm.

00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:09,380

Xhafer: like days after nukes.

00:49:09,972 --> 00:49:10,302

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:10,302 --> 00:49:11,052

Mm-hmm

00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:14,000

Xhafer: they, they clearly have

medicine for this kind of a thing.

00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:14,950

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:19,500

Xhafer: Um, I don't think you

survive a long-term nuclear war like

00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:22,830

they did without having medicine

to survive this kind of thing,

00:49:22,942 --> 00:49:23,442

Laura: Sure.

00:49:23,442 --> 00:49:24,552

Yeah, that's fair

00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,490

Xhafer: um, in the first Cylon War.

00:49:27,884 --> 00:49:28,354

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:32,200

Xhafer: like they clearly have

some technology to get them at

00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,380

least a chunk of the way there.

00:49:33,830 --> 00:49:38,100

But they also don't seem to be all

like, "We need to get out of here."

00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:40,760

Like, "This is so bad, we

all have cancer right now."

00:49:41,138 --> 00:49:41,818

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,250

Xhafer: Um, they're-- it looks like

they're at a ground zero type area

00:49:45,250 --> 00:49:47,190

because there's almost nothing near them

00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:48,120

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:48,840

Yeah

00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:53,860

Xhafer: in the distance, so it feels

like this is like a, a blast zone,

00:49:54,130 --> 00:49:59,230

not like auxiliary areas that were

not destroyed for whatever reason,

00:49:59,570 --> 00:50:00,080

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:50:00,490 --> 00:50:01,700

Xhafer: um, like we saw on Caprica.

00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:03,640

But I would think it had to have been

00:50:05,328 --> 00:50:05,788

Laura: Yeah

00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,910

Xhafer: I don't remember if

they tell us a timeframe.

00:50:09,110 --> 00:50:09,900

I think we get one.

00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:11,250

Laura: Okay.

00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:12,140

Xhafer: sure we get one.

00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:17,120

Um, but I don't remember exactly

when, if that comes around.

00:50:17,392 --> 00:50:20,062

Laura: I mean, that colony had to have

00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:23,090

Xhafer: reading timelines and

extrapolated information and stuff

00:50:23,568 --> 00:50:23,978

Laura: Yeah.

00:50:24,078 --> 00:50:30,518

That, that colony, if, you know, they,

they were the 13th colony and they

00:50:30,518 --> 00:50:37,978

left Kobol before the destruction of

Kobol, I think is my understanding

00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:39,320

Xhafer: I think they went…

00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:43,111

So they left around the same time,

and they went a different way.

00:50:43,695 --> 00:50:44,345

Laura: Oh, okay.

00:50:44,415 --> 00:50:44,755

Okay

00:50:44,771 --> 00:50:48,411

Xhafer: I think the 12, the 13

left Cobalt at the same time, and

00:50:48,411 --> 00:50:52,761

the 12 went one way, and the 13th

was all like, going over here."

00:50:53,237 --> 00:50:53,717

Laura: Yeah.

00:50:53,997 --> 00:51:00,377

And we don't know exactly what happened

on Cobalt or how long ago that was.

00:51:00,529 --> 00:51:01,789

Xhafer: we do know how long ago that

00:51:01,827 --> 00:51:02,337

Laura: Oh, we do?

00:51:02,467 --> 00:51:02,807

Okay

00:51:03,139 --> 00:51:04,949

Xhafer: recorded history

from the colonials.

00:51:04,979 --> 00:51:05,929

They've talked about it,

00:51:06,435 --> 00:51:06,825

Laura: Okay

00:51:07,049 --> 00:51:08,579

Xhafer: when they settled and everything.

00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:10,279

It's been thousands of years

00:51:10,661 --> 00:51:11,051

Laura: Okay.

00:51:11,751 --> 00:51:15,931

Yeah, and when we went back to

Cobalt, like, there wasn't really…

00:51:16,591 --> 00:51:21,651

Like, we kinda knew where the ruins of

the temple were or whatever we went to.

00:51:21,651 --> 00:51:22,741

Temple of Athena, right?

00:51:22,981 --> 00:51:23,711

Is that where we went?

00:51:24,279 --> 00:51:24,539

Xhafer: Yeah

00:51:25,431 --> 00:51:29,576

Laura: but we didn't, there weren't,

like, the same level of ruins.

00:51:29,576 --> 00:51:30,546

We don't know.

00:51:30,546 --> 00:51:34,456

It wasn't irradiated that we

could tell, so we don't know

00:51:34,456 --> 00:51:35,996

exactly what happened on Cobalt

00:51:36,582 --> 00:51:40,832

Xhafer: yeah, I mean, if it was nuclear,

then it was like 2,000 years ago and

00:51:40,832 --> 00:51:42,452

everything's-- the planet has healed.

00:51:43,020 --> 00:51:43,803

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:51:44,096 --> 00:51:47,678

Xhafer: but if it wasn't

nuclear, that changes things

00:51:48,110 --> 00:51:48,400

Laura: Yeah.

00:51:48,780 --> 00:51:52,100

I, I still wonder if we'll find

out what happened on Copal, but

00:51:53,304 --> 00:51:58,674

Xhafer: I don't think we get much

more than we've already gotten.

00:51:59,614 --> 00:52:02,014

But I might be remembering wrong.

00:52:02,354 --> 00:52:02,584

I don't know.

00:52:02,584 --> 00:52:07,484

So much stuff, like one, I

don't wanna spoil anything,

00:52:07,874 --> 00:52:08,334