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Summary

In this episode of the Devil's Trap podcast, Diana and Liz discuss season 8, episode 14 of Supernatural. They start by talking about their experiences during the recent eclipse and Diana's visit to a winery (nope, Liz went to one). They then dive into the episode, titled 'Trial and Error,' where Kevin Tran discovers a way to close the gates of hell. The episode explores the three trials that need to be completed, including killing a hellhound and bathing in its blood. Sam and Dean take on a job at a farm where they meet Ellie, who hires them despite their lack of experience. The episode ends with the brothers preparing for the first trial. In this episode, Sam and Dean encounter a family with a dark secret involving hell hounds. They discover that the family members have made deals with demons in exchange for wealth and success. As they investigate, they encounter a hell hound and learn that they can only see it through glasses coated with artisanal holy oil. The episode ends with Sam starting the trials to close the gates of hell, while Dean decides to track down another hell hound. The episode explores themes of family, sacrifice, and the consequences of making deals with demons.

Keywords

Supernatural, season 8, episode 14, eclipse, winery, gates of hell, trials, hellhound, farm, Supernatural, hell hounds, deals with demons, family, sacrifice, artisanal holy oil, gates of hell

Chapters

00:00

Introduction and Eclipse Adventures

07:20

Episode Recap: 'Trial and Error'

30:31

Revelations and Suspicion

38:02

Ellie's Last Night

44:49

Dean's Plan to Close the Gates of Hell

Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast. I'm Diana. And we're going to talk about season eight, episode 14. Oh, man, even my that was wrong on my notes. Trial and error. Oh, there we go.

I'm Liz.

14.

Oh boy, so apparently Diana got wasted.

I really didn't. I just, I have like a nice pre -dinner cocktail and I don't drink it on an empty stomach and that's what I was doing when I watched. So we'll see how that goes.

see how this goes. So we were having this because the eclipse did not end the world.

Yeah, the sun didn't explode. I have a story about that. Yeah, I had a

You did it, I was there.

So yeah, so I'm drinking out of my Rhinery Eclipse glass, and it's got the little sun becoming not sun and then around it. And also their Eclipse bow back.

Mmm.

That's fancy.

Ooh, it does.

which has a little fancy sun on it. And I have an extra one because my friend didn't want to check a bag. So now I have one that I can put aside and, uh, you know, and keep and this one I could drink cause I didn't actually didn't. So if you couldn't tell by what I was saying, I went to the Reinery, which is a winery for the eclipse and just go barreling into this. So anyway, so the Reinery is a winery that is in Fredericksburg and they have a rhino.

They do have a rhino.

And the winery had an eclipse party yesterday and we got super bougie but I feel like they have the best bang for the buck because there was We got to keep like this custom chair. That's got you know, it says the rhino ready, but still nice freaking like

Outdoor folding chair like the nice ones. Yeah, I can't be sure. Mm -hmm.

outdoor camping chair with like little cup holder and stuff in it, like not a cup holder for a wine glass, which would have been smarter, but still, you know, like that. And then like a bottle of like their, they made a special edition wine, a special like edition glass. And then like this really comfy blanket that's like super soft, it's got that on it. And, and yeah, and then you got like two drinks and then like food and stuff. And it was like, like a couple hundred bucks. I like it was.

Right.

Ooh.

It was worth it. And I got to meet a rhino named Blake. I mean, I didn't get to like touch him, but his name is Blake and he is adorable. He is five years old, which apparently is puberty for a rhino, which is what I've learned. So he is too young for the teat and too old for the teat and too young to copulate. So.

His name is Blake?

Oh.

Okay.

at the Reinery out there. He currently has like a couple of acres to play on, but they're working on making more stuff. And then when that is done, if, because they're part of the conservation organization, I did not know this, if the conservation organization takes a look at the population of rhinos and goes,

We need more because they are not doing well in the wild. Then they'll give the thumbs up and then Blake will be able to get some. But like they can say, hey, we're good out here in the wild, you know, in the wild. And he will not. Blake will. Blake will be a bachelor. Yeah, Blake just won't leave. I also learned that it takes them an hour. At least.

Boom.

Blake's gonna die a virgin.

That's a commitment.

That is, you gotta put aside some time. I know I kinda wanna know some more details, but there's a thing the woman does, I don't know, I think she gets really mad, and then, I don't know. So we'll have to learn more about their mating habits, but I do know it takes at least an hour. So good for Blake. I just wanna see why he needs some time to wait on that. It was a good time, so yeah, how was your eclipse viewing?

Rhino sex.

Huh.

It was good. You know, I did not I did not have as exciting of a trek as you, but we did have lovely weather in Dallas after people were very concerned in the forecast. Not look good. Now just hung out at my work, put on a little lunch and watch the eclipse thing. So it was pretty cool just to have been a really nice little green space like part at my work. So we just went out there and ate bagel sandwiches because they're round. Get it. Get it.

Ah, I get it.

And then we and then I watched it was really cool. And our local radio station had a really good playlist for it. Though.

I still have Black Hole Sun stuck in my head. I never want to hear that song again.

I think I only heard it once and I only heard Total Clips to the Heart once so I'm pretty like disappointed slash impressed.

somebody started playing it outside and I like everyone's like her I'm like I'm gonna hit you in the face but it was a very interesting even though like our Viewing was not as great because we didn't have a bunch of clouds and was kind of coming in and out but it was still a new Totality is like a really cool thing to like be a part of and I can only imagine like I think like I

Yeah. Aww.

It was.

How can you not think about what it would be like to see this like before like, if you lived in a time before you knew it was coming, right?

Right, we were talking about that too, like no wonder they thought like, you know, that the, you know, a snake was eating the sun or I don't know what the fuck ever like what's what I'm not going to pretend to know all the lore about what people thought eclipses were.

all the different things people thought when they saw an eclipse, right? Like...

But like it was I mean, it was like a light switch off and then on because like it was bright, but you could see it was getting smaller. I don't know. I was very impressed. I will say that I was not really like I was kind of like, yeah, we'll have like lunch and sit outside for a by ready lunch at me. But the company will buy a real lunch. We'll sit and watch it cool. And I was like, that would be cool. But whatevs.

It exceeded expectations. So if I would say as to our dear listeners, if you do get the opportunity to watch it when it's a total eclipse, I would recommend doing it. No, there's one. Well, no, there's one. There's like one every like 18 to 24 months. It just depends what's. No, it's not. As I was saying, listeners in other places, there's like in three or four, I think in like four years, there's another one in the that'll hit part of the US, but.

If you get the opportunity to witness at a total eclipse, the next one will happen in 80 years. It's fine.

The next one's like having here for like another 80 years.

Not anywhere near where we're at. But yeah, I know it was I thought it was a really spectacular thing. Good job. Good job, nature. Yes. So I know it's really cool. I'm impressed. Super impressed with the experience. And yeah, and that I guess that's the big news of the day. I can talk about other things I've gone and did. Shockingly, I saw music, but that's, you know, a good point.

Way to go, nature. Five stars, nature.

Yep.

Yeah, yeah. We also had April Fool's Day, like that passed somehow like before like, I don't know how we missed that. But so the reason I'm bringing it up is that Misha's April Fool's joke was this Maka variety article that was written by Becky Rosen announcing an all female reboot of Supernatural called Resurrection.

I don't celebrate that.

Mm.

Hmm. Hmm.

There he is. I like it. He he he. All right. So let's talk about this week's episode. So trial and error. This first aired February 13th, 2013. It was directed by Kevin Parks. Now, Kevin Parks is the first assistant director on the odd number of episodes. And he is also known as or was known, I guess probably still is known. But.

Mm -hmm.

He was known as Parxapedia because he had this encyclopedic knowledge of the show. So like the first, these first assistant directors, really what they're doing on this set is like, you know, they're basically plotting out.

like all the shots and all the schedules and like they're almost like a project manager in a way like the book, but they're just like they keep everything coordinated, right? So in order to do that, you have to know a lot about the show. So he knew like he was a go to like knowledge about all the lore, all the things that happened in Supernatural. It was it was Kevin Parks. But this was his first episode to direct an episode.

the other person who did the even numbered episodes, he already got his chance. So now this was Kevin's and more recently he's been working on Firefly Lane and the Amazon show upload. Did you hear about that show? It was the premise is after his premature death.

A man's consciousness is uploaded into a virtual world as he gets comfortable with his surroundings questions about his death arise. I have not heard of that. And yeah, that sounds terrifying. Yeah, yeah. So that's a, that's a show that exists that he has been working on. And yeah, right. So also this was written by Andrew Dab.

Mm -mm. Mm -mm. Pass.

Yeah, but you're gonna watch it.

Sounds terrifying.

So, alright, we started for the recap, but our recap is all about crossroads, demons, and hellhounds, and gooferdust.

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And Kevin's work on the tablet and the key. So we open at Fizzle's Folly where. Hmm. So we've got good old Kevin in his deep, deep in his very unhealthy process of of translation, which means he's like getting up at like it looks like it looks like he's getting up at 5 a .m. and going to bed at 2 45 a .m.

Fizzles Folly! Mr. Fizzles!

He could be getting up at 5 p .m.

And then going to bed, but it's dark at two forty five when he's going to bed. Or, yeah.

Yeah, so 2 45 a .m. Goes about it goes about at 2 45 a .m. And wakes up at 5 p .m. No, I don't know. Anyways, maybe. Yeah. So maybe it's gonna like three hours of sleep. Yeah.

Say something.

It's very confusing, but always living off of coffee. He's a. Yeah, he's living off of coffee and hot dogs and aspirin, and he's got his murder wall. That's bad. It's bad.

That's so gross, it's so gross. Also, to be fair, like when he was eating them in the show, he was eating, those were tofu dogs, but still gross, which I think is grosser.

Now, my God, is that supposed to be better?

I don't know. They were so unkind.

And so it's been basically like a month that he's doing like time has passed while he's doing this. And finally, he says that he's done it. He's he's translated what he needs to translate. He says, holy crap, his notes starts bleeding and he falls out. So.

Yep, yep, he just passed out. Oops, but he made a breakthrough. So that's great. And we cut to Dean in the bunker.

He's got he's got his own little room in his bunker with his Led Zeppelin record and a photo of one of his childhood photos with his mom and basically setting up like his own little space and he's talking about his memory foam mattress and he expresses to Sam That's a big deal Right

He committed to a mattress. Like that's a commit. Like, cause I'm assuming he had to have bought this because the, the bunker, like memory foam is not, unless men of letters, like were ahead of their times and figured out memory foam. Like, did they like have it delivered? Did they get like, do they strap it on top of baby? Like I wouldn't go mattress shopping with Sam and Dean. That sounds like a fun excursion.

They did not. They did not.

I'm baby, I know.

You just want to test the mattresses with Sam and Dean.

that too, but also just a process could be fun.

But it's it's kind of sad, though, here is Dean Express says that this is the first time his first own room that he's ever had.

Yeah, like that's like, that's sad. That's, but then you think about it, like, does that mean like he literally like, God, that's gross. Like, it's not just sad, it's gross. Like, how long have you like not, I don't know, you've been sleeping in a car and it's, that is, it's unfathomable and.

Motels. Yeah. Yeah.

I know that is probably a very privileged thing for me to say, but it is like, that's a lifestyle that is just, it really, what do you think about that? Not having a place to, cause you've traveled as much as you're not as much, but you've been, you know, you were in the military, you like, you know, you had to go away from home, but you always like, there is a place. Yeah.

Yeah, I've traveled.

Got to place a home base to return to. And to not have that is, that's terrifying to me. And so Sam immediately throws his gum wrapper on the floor.

This is...

Who does that? Anywhere, anywhere, even like a hotel. And he also just, he also just be fucking with your brother. It's like, you're not that much of a slop.

It was just weird. Like, I don't I kind of didn't get this. I was kind of like, what are you doing? Like, I know you're fucking with your brother, but still. Yeah, that's true. No, also, Dean does have a nice display of weapons on the wall, and I want I want to know if these are from throughout. I assume they're not men of letters weapons because they weren't really into that other than the swords.

It is a -

Well, listen, no, the samurai swords are the Mino letters, right? So we've seen those. And I also think the Mino letters, like, yeah, no, some of them are theirs. But I think a lot of these are personal, too.

Yeah

So interesting. But they go back out into their research world because Sam is deep in it. And Dean delivers burgers to them both because Dean is stoked to have a kitchen and he is apparently a pretty damn good cook.

And you know, we did forget about, you know, he lived with Lisa for a while, like, you know.

He did. And I was like, oh yeah, you know he was grilling out living with Lisa.

Yeah, you know, a burger seems like something that like, what, no, gee, no, it's the main thing for me to make. Yep, yep.

Manly dude food to make. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's his favorite food. So wouldn't he learn how to make that? That totally tracks. But if I like that he tells Sam is shocked and he like that Dean says, I'm nesting. I liked it. But then Kevin calls. And the phone cuts out right away. So they have to go check on him because they are worried, as they should be. And they find him puking in the bathroom on Fizzle's Folly.

It's adorable.

Mr. Fizzle. So, yeah, and Kevin's looking great. He's just like, man, you got to eat a salad and have a shower. And sometimes, yeah, you just need to eat something green. I have been eating out for the past five days and like, I'm just like, I just ate some lettuce with like some dressing on it. And then I ate some kale and some carrots. I'm just like, that's it. My stomach's like, I don't want anything else. Just put green things.

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Green things please, green things only. And Kevin's like, yeah, I think I had a small stroke, but it was worth it, because I figured out how to close the gates of hell. What?

He has. And what it is is that God has built a series of tests. And to death is today's magic word. That means it's time for a pop quiz.

three trials.

Duh!

So today's pop quiz we're gonna do is I actually have the supernatural pop quiz deck That I got off of stands. I have this was made by something Inside edition, I don't know CW and Warner Warner Brothers has got a thing on it So it's quiz its questions and answers throughout the the entire thing. So obviously I will be

Calling questions only be around things that Diana has seen so We'll do I don't know like what five questions or until it's no until it's no longer funny All right, so I'm randomly picking out a card thing here. I'm not sure how these work. All right, so Oh, I think this is very appropriate. I just randomly picked this. All right, so this question is

Sure.

Hahaha!

Who owns the houseboat where the Winchesters high Kevin Tran?

That is correct. All right, so you got that one right. Okay, so the second question on here, who finally kills Lilith?

Yay.

Um...

Was it?

Sam?

It was! Alright, so you've got two questions right so far.

All right.

All right, and let's see. Oh, this is my one of my favorites. All right, this is question number three on this card. What term do Sam and Dean often use to describe killing a monster?

Gank.

That is correct. Oh, we are at three out of three So good, so good. All right And nope. Nope. There's so many on here that we have not gotten to yet. I'm gonna kind of pick out another one All right, let's see and Oh question number four. This is also very topical. What secret society builds the bunker?

It's your favorite. Your favorite word.

Manifletters!

That is Men of Letters! Alright, so you were just killing this game. The Clarity was only written about Season 8. And let's see if there are any... Oh my god, question number two! What is the name of Garth's boat? This is just like...

No.

What? Fizzles folly!

Oh my God, your short term memory is correct. Okay, so I think at this point, this is about to stop being funny. We're gonna do one more question and this one's pick a random one here. All right, and let's see, question number whatever on here. Which of Sam and Dean's relatives worked for Crowley capturing high ranking monsters?

Samuel, their grandfather.

That would be Samuel Campbell, their shitty grandfather. All right. So Diana is teacher's pet once again. Uh, she still knows all things supernatural. We can prove she has been playing attention. So this was from the supernatural join the hunt pop depth quiz, uh, buy it wherever you want. I get no profit from this. It's just a thing that I got. All right. So continuing on about our series of tests.

Mm -hmm.

Yay!

Ahhhh...

Yeah, so there are basically there's three trials and then they're supposed to say some stuff in a Nokia and to the new clothes, they get to hell.

Right. So there is a bunch of spells there really know what they are. And they only know is that Garth see him in Garth land. So what Kevin has figured out, though, is the first test is killing a poor defensive out for defenseless hell hound and then bathing in its blood. I would say, no, you should just be down like I'm going to call Sarah McLaughlin for hell hounds.

Hehehe.

Little help upper.

Hell puppers, poor hell puppers. Yeah, it's kind of dark. I mean, like, I know, like the hellhounds are mean. I get it. Like, I don't really necessarily know if I want to cuddle with them. They don't seem like they want to cuddle with me. But. But.

You don't know like you haven't been around them like maybe they just weren't properly trained Maybe they were trained to be mean. You don't know you can't just like you can't just kill an animal I'm sorry, even if it's a hell hound Hard pass

Maybe you just didn't give him a treat.

Well, Dean's like, yeah, but Dean's like, this is awesome. I'm going to find someone who made a Crossroads deal that needs to be collected. And that's that's what we're going to do. So I'm going to go get some goop for dust and some real food that's not hot dogs for Kevin to eat.

Smart smart.

while Kevin takes a shower.

And Sam smartly tells Kevin that he kind of needs to like chill and Kevin's like, no, I got to finish this. I can't do anything till it's done. I can't talk to anybody. All my mom does is cry, blah, blah, blah, blah. I need to be over. And Sam's like, yeah, this whole like saving the world thing is a marathon, not a sprint. You need to take care of yourself.

also get where Kevin's coming from. Like, if you when you know, like, this thing sucks, I just got if I power through it, it will be over. Like especially knowing like, this is like, Sam, I get it, you should save in the world a lot. But this is there is a specific task that can be finished. So I get where. Yeah, it's not just like this, you know, like,

Yeah. Yeah.

Yes, correct. There is a start and an end to this task.

Abstract idea it there is something he can do so I'm here with you Kevin, but I get this is awful Yeah, you need to eat something. That's not pigs ass

So Dean comes in and apparently he is shocked and impressed with the variety of tomatoes that are available to purchase these days. In the meantime, Sam thinks that he found a crossroads deal about somebody probably wishing for some oil to be found on their land. And so they are going to. Shoshone, Shoshone, Shoshone, Shoshone, probably. Yeah.

In Shoshone, Idaho. What'd you call me?

You

And before they leave, Dean's like, cool. Hey, Kevin, here's these pills. The blue ones are for headaches. The green are for pep. Don't OD and leaves.

Ahhhh

Oh, yep, so here's some caffeine pills. Hopefully they're just caffeine pills. They look like they were OTC, so.

Hopefully. Yeah. Did you remember the Say By The Belt episode where, oh God, I can see her face. Jesse got addicted to caffeine pills.

Jesse.

So quickly, so quickly she went down that path. That's how you end up in showgirls is just by being addicted to caffeine pills.

very quickly. Sorry. That's anytime there's like an addiction to caffeine pills. Sorry, I'm not laughing at addiction. I'm just laughing at this TV portrayal of it.

I'm laughing at the idea of somebody being addicted to caffeine pills. I'm sorry if you exist, but damn. All right. Okay. So.

Correct. I mean, I'm addicted to coffee, so might as well be. I guess.

Bye! Okay, all right. So Dean Link was gonna remind us that if you see anybody hallucinating, they are pro, oh sorry, sorry, sorry. I skipped the part where they were going off to look for angry bitches.

Yeah, so.

So they're going yeah, so they are looking for any hint of a hellhound because Dean is ready to quote spike phyto rude

He is way, see, remember when I was talking about Dean being a serial killer? This is something where I'm like, you know, like that question when they talk about, do you want to hurt small animals? Like you were far too excited to kill a dog.

Maybe.

Yeah, for sure. So, but they're.

Maybe he does have hate back for Joe. I mean, we do have that.

Yeah, I know there but they're back at this this this or they're at this house where this property large property farm and this chick comes out from under the tractor that name Ellie and she manages the property and is looking.

It's a farm.

That's right, don't assume, do not assume that there's like, like how they didn't play that off very long though. It was just like, I am Ellie, I run the farm, boom.

Boom. And, and they're apparently they're hiring. So she thinks they're applying for jobs and she hires them even though they don't know what the fuck they're doing. But as they're doing it, it's so weird.

That's just, this whole process, I was like, and I get it, like, I've hired day laborers before, sort of, like, I never had to do that, I don't know, but like, some of them, well, they do not, and too, like, but just this idea of, like, people rolling up to your house, and then you're like, here's a job, move in.

Oh, weird. Yes.

But these do - these - Sam and Dean do not look like day laborers.

Move in. That's a lot.

She was so but she's just so yeah, so we be Carl Granville

You do.

The trophy has been...

Sure. For one of the cast. I know he's a driver for the Cassidy's. I also hate that Cassidy is spelled with a T.

That's what he calls himself.

Yes.

And so but he's like he calls Sam and Dean some swell guys and Ellie goes and shows them to their room and she tells them that they have breakfast at five dinner at eight and The rest of the time that they belong to her. That's a really long day I'm not trying to be an asshole like I get up fairly early and I work really hard not in a field to be clear I mean but like

Breakfast at 5 a .m. and dinner at 8 p .m. Like when's lunch? I'd be very hungry. Very hungry. Especially if I was doing physical labor.

Huh? Nope.

That's my hot take. I was distressed by this timeline.

Yeah, I am distressed by the noise my cat is making as she is. I apologize for the crinkling. She is cat trapping herself on some some paper next to the microphone. Sorry. Anyway, so, yeah, all of this is just bizarre. But they get hired. Dean misses his room.

Yeah.

and they go shovel some shit. Literally.

Let's go out to muck some stalls.

Yeah. And he. Like they over he overhears Ellie and Alice Cassidy arguing about organic food for the horses. So they have decided that for some reason that Alice must be the one that made a crossroads deal to get the money, the oil money for the land.

Sure, but yeah, clearly it's her, so she must be the sole seller. Later, Alice and Carl are outside having a delightful dinner outside in front of a fire that looks amazing, and I'm so jealous of them sitting out here in the woods just like with their fire.

It looks nice.

Yeah, looks nice. But we hear howl and Alice is like, I need to go check on the horses. They're going to be spooked by if that's that wolf again. So the horses are winning and Sam and Dean are secretly trying to watch all this go down. But as she's trying to go check on her horses, Carl gets killed by a hell hound. Oh.

Yep, eaten by that invisible dog.

So we now know that Carl must have made a deal because they don't go after you otherwise. Right. Or something kind of.

Mainly, I mean, like that seems to be the, that's the main theme, but I also feel like Sam and Dean are worried about people being by, like getting like, well, I mean, like what, Joe got killed by Hellhound and they weren't after her.

I don't know, it's very confusing.

That was the cat sneezing.

too.

Okay, so...

But they but I think like Crowley like sicked them on her specifically.

Right. And so I feel like I guess like typically they're not going to go after you unless they are like, well, then they're like, I like suck on you. Like is I sucked, sucked like, you know, sick of like maybe like it's like you do they get the scent and like they have to go after the thing, but they're still also really like angry bitches. So sometimes they may just like it like a side nosh of you.

Sucks.

I don't know.

Maybe. I don't know. It depends how hungry they are. So we've got Sam and Dean and Ellie agreeing that Carl was a good guy and the sheriff saying that he died real bad. He thinks but he says it was a wolf. Ellie is not convinced, though, so she's going to make some calls. I don't even know what that means. But OK.

You're gonna cough.

Hey, and.

I think she's calling out Cassidy's probably, cause she's just like, Phil, I'm coming.

And. Yeah, and Sheriff's like basically hints to Sam and Dean, that is bad news to have all the Cassidy's under one roof. So there we go. Sam and Dean are like, well, fuck it. We missed our opportunity for the hell hound. We got to bounce next spot anyways. But as they're getting ready to Sam finds Alice by herself brushing horses and asked her if she's OK.

And she's like real confused. And this is where it gets real creepy because she's like, I'm fine. But that's weird because I just because I love Cal or Carl. But I don't remember why I loved him. He's like she starts talking about how we went to school together. He mooned over me. I made fun of him. But then some Valentine's we got together and there is magic. And I don't know. Now he's gone. But I'm not sad.

Yep, and I'm just fine, fine. And this is where we all start kind of like putting together like, ew.

Ooh.

Yeah, Carl did something gross.

girl.

So he Sam goes and tells Dean and he's and Dean's like, you got some graveyard dirt and Sam's like, no, we don't need to summon a fucking demon. And he's like, no, we need to hold. We're going to hold a crossroads demon hostage in return for a hell hound. It sounds like hold on. Crowley will be so fucking pissed that is suicide. Carl sold his soul for Alice, not for oil on the property. So somebody else did it for the oil.

That's stupid.

And it says, I want to kill a hellhound and not die. And then they stare each other down real hard.

But is a good point right so maybe the demon did a bunch of deals right so Now we get to meet the rest of the Cassidy's

Mm hmm. We kick off with Noah Cassidy, 71 worth a billion dollars and married to wife number five. Sin. Yeah, no. Cindy, who had a single on the country music chart, but then she started drinking.

a 20 year old lingerie model. Who is not there, thankfully.

And then.

And then after she started hitting the bottle her last album with her holiday songs were dogs and Ellie's favorites were Jingle Bark Rock and Don't Pee on this Tree, Happy Arbor Day.

And then the youngest Margo who goes by Margie a lot too in this episode and she ran away and from all of them and currently lives in Paris.

Alrighty then. Yep, so they are all there. And now like their jobs get weirder. And now you're not only farm hands, you are also serving caterer waiters. Okay, wait, sure.

caterers.

Sure. So, but Dean's going to grill and Ellie does like a man who can handle his meat.

Mm -mm.

So we've got a really awkward dinner where Margo is expressing condolences. Noah is calling. I don't know. It's just real weird. Cindy's mocking dad's wife like it's.

It's a really like bad dinner conversation. We learned that we learned that Marjo and Carla, Carl used to do it before, like, Alice and Carl got married. Then, like, we go to the kitchen and we learn that Ellie says, you know, she's just here because she loves the land and it's animals. Right. So she doesn't care about his family. She's just here for that.

Yeah.

Yeah. And she's been there since she was like 13. So and we get a terrible exchange with the family where Noah is talking about his children, about how when when Margie was fat and Cindy was sober, is one of his fun references. Cindy is back, tells him to get cancer and die old man. So we've got a very loving, supportive household here.

Yep, yep, not dysfunctional at all. And, but then we learned the last time that they had dinner together and it was at the old crappy house.

Uh, yeah.

Mm hmm. And they had an interesting visitor there whose name was Crowley. Oh, that's interesting. Mm hmm. So they Sam and Dean are discussing outside the fact that fucking Crowley was there and probably made some more than one deal. But while that happens, he calls with some news and he's got some tips about Hillhounds, about how to use holy oil to be able to spot them.

Yep. Oops.

Yep, yep. And so what he figures out is that the dire creatures may only be seen, may be seen only by the damned or through an object scorched with holy fire. That's how we get to our artisanal holy oil. Artisanal, artisanal. And they figure out that means glasses. So you can like, run a thing in glasses and then you can see the puppers.

Artisanal holy oil.

Mm hmm. Yeah, it's pretty clever. Pretty clever. So Kevin's just popping some pills.

like you do when you just gotta power through.

Dean's finding glasses. Sam is still kind of like watching Noah and Margie because apparently they're going to take shotguns out and go hunt down whatever thing ate Carl.

Daddy is drunk and armed, must be Christmas. Which, you know, fair.

And so Sam's like, maybe I'll just go with you guys. I want to help. And yeah, well, Dean uses the holy oil with the inputs, the glasses through it so he can try to watch for hell hounds. I'm just going to say that man wears glasses well, like real well, like.

Yep, so he does. Yeah, Elliot likes him and his Clark Kent look and so do I. Yeah, glasses, glasses really work on him.

Yes. Yes, ma 'am.

into it. Here for it. Hello, nerdy Dean. I'm in. So because of this, though, Dean is so on the mission that he fucking turns down Ellie.

She is heavily coming onto him. I'm like, heavily.

Yes. And she's and he's like, I'm so I can't I can't get a rain check. And she's like, nope, it's one night only. Oh, bummer. But out in the woods, we got Noah, Margie and Sam, and they're being stalked by something. But and so Sam separates from them because this always goes well. And it gets almost shot by Noah. And in the meantime, Margie gets attacked and killed.

I'm out now.

So well.

Yep, she also gets eaten. But Sam takes like a shot and he does kind of like get something off of it. But it's too late, she dead.

A little bit. Yeah. Yep. Back at the house, everybody's very upset. Dean says, fuck it, and explains the hell hounds and Crowley. He's like, Sue, who else signed fucking deals? You know, and no one else fesses up. And Sam's like, fine, I'm just going to block everything off with the goop for dust. And you know, and anyways, there's a standoff between Dean and Noah. I don't know. It's weird.

So like is it the handcuffs them so they don't hurt themselves they go for dust them in but also means we're looking these two Guys like you just hired weird drifters

I have now handcuffed you, sprayed dust everywhere, and told you you made a deal with the demon.

Yeah, yeah, no, I also would be like, I would like to leave now, right? And so then we go to Dean talking about the trials.

Yeah. And his whole thing is like, look, no matter what, this is one of us is going to die in God's obstacle course. So Dean's like, I'm a grunt. You're the brain, Sam. And so I see the way out. Are you the brains and you see the end, you see the way out of all of this. But Dean just doesn't have that optimism anymore. And so he wants to he wants to be the grunt and die for the cause. Because he doesn't have anything else, he doesn't have hope.

and he sees Sam having a life and a future. So he wants to do trials alone.

I mean, it's, I don't know. It's nice that he's like, I want Sam to get out. At least like, you know, at least he's saying that now, I guess.

Well, and it's nice that he's sharing that he doesn't share Sam's optimism. But I think this also plays back into kind of a ongoing theme in the show of them not understanding that they always have to do it together.

Yeah, yeah, so anyways, so...

We always that comes back to that every time, right? Every mission like this, they always end up having to do it together to be successful. That's just part of it, right? I mean, so.

Eh, you know, so Dean's gonna be the murderer and he gets Clark kitted up.

He does, he's ready. And he's looking around, it's raining and we hear, I touch myself by the divinals, playing quite loudly from the stable.

Yeah, so when Ellie did not give Mr. Winchester, she decided to touch herself. But also, oh good, we find out that he also made two pairs of glasses, so Sam also gets one.

I mean, this happens.

Yes. In the house, we've got Cindy accusing Noah of making a deal and he's saying, no, you did for your music career. And she's like, no, that's called auto tune. And Alice is remembering that Margo said if the family was rich, that then they would all be happy. So now we know that the wish that we're now we we know the wish one of the wishes that we.

Maybe.

Maybe one of the wishes could have been Margo wishing for the family to have money.

Yeah, it would explain why her throat was ripped out, right? So, maybe that's happened, right? So then we cut to Dean ruining Ellie's dance party and she once again just throws herself at him.

Yes.

in her lingerie and a beer. Turns off the music and they kiss and Dean's like, you need to stay inside. Where the fuck is she going dressed like that, sir? She ain't going anywhere.

but she knows that it's coming for her. Oh, shit. She made a deal. She knows what it is. So as all this is happening, Sam sees a hell a hell hound as Alice slipping out of her cuffs and tries. He's Sam's trying to get, you know, get her back inside. And there's a mean pupper out there. Very mean, very mean pupper. But.

We get Ellie explaining to Dean.

Her mom worked for the family before they had money and she grew up there. And when she met Crowley and saw him kiss Margie and knew there was one wish and her mom had Parkinson's, now her mom is retired and plays golf. She asks Dean what he would do for his mom. And she...

Yeah, and we know he's like, I'm a martyr. I mean, I would like clearly kill myself for like anything that she asked. Like we see this and everything, right? But also Crowley didn't tell her about the 10 years, which I think is weird. I feel like that's very uncrowly. Like, I feel like he always would, I don't know.

Yeah. Right.

That's we that's very odd. Like none of these people knew about the 10 years. I agree. Because he loves a good loophole and a contract like him and like remember when him and. Now he's shady and like the. Shady in the fine print way, not in the failed to disclose way. Does that make sense?

He's not that kind of shady.

Yeah, no, I like this is like clearly part of it, right? Like, so, yeah. So but apparently she didn't know about that, but she kind of figured it out when she like, because Carl got drunk and told her things, right? So.

That's the deal.

Mm hmm. Yeah. And but she didn't know about Margie and she didn't want to run.

Yeah, and she wanted some tunes, a last meal and a piece of Dean Winchester, which, you know, frankly, I don't I don't oppose you having that before you die. That makes sense. So but then they hear howling.

I don't fault that. Yeah.

They hear howling and she starts seeing Dean as a monster so she starts hallucinating and it's real scary. I didn't like it.

No, but he's you know, also not unattractive as whatever she hallucinates so Dean then like gives her like a circle of goof or dust to stay in without really explaining what this is and I never understand why these bitches stay in a circle when they do that be like no

Mm -mm.

Yeah, it's a lot. But she does. And he goes out and he puts on the glasses and he sees the hell hound and he's taunting it. He's getting the clawed and gets thrown. He loses his glasses, but he can see the breath. But then luckily, Sam's there and shoots. But they finally like Sam gets pinned, but he's able to get the blade and stab the hound on top of him, which makes it bleed all over him. So now he has killed and bathed in its blood. Right.

Yep, he is covered in the poor...

So.

Ellie patches up Dean and she really wants him to go to the hospital. But they're like, no, he's had worse because of course. So basically, they're just going to send her on her way with a hex bag. And that's it. Like, got to go.

Okay, all right, so she's off on the run now with a hex bag that'll hide from her, right? And at this point, we can really see Sam up close. And we see that Sam is completely clean, except for the blood that is on his shirt in a very specific pattern. So there is no blood elsewhere on Sam Winchester, except on this shirt.

He just. Yes.

Like it implies it's like he looks like he took a shower, but put that shirt back on.

put the shirt back on, which is a weird choice. Very odd choice. No.

I don't understand what's happening. But like, did you think it was like, oh, this print is like, cool. This is my new fashion line, like puppy blood, like blood dye, like a tie dye, but it's puppy blood. Oh, blood dye.

blood dye? I mean, maybe like goth tie dye.

Yeah, but super, super dark. Anyways, okay, so let's go past this. I'm in a place I don't want to be. There's no blood or anyone sand, but that's sure. And now Dean wants to shut down hell before her soul gets cleaned.

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Yeah, like his whole like premises, like she's not going to go to hell because he's going to close the gates of hell before she dies.

Yeah, okay, sure. Yes, so basically this, now they're really showing this, like kind of like that is the premise, like the gates of hell get closed. Not only do all the demons go there, but now souls can't go to hell. So, but.

Is that how closing the gates of - I don't know, whatever.

Heaven.

I guess so. Where else am I gonna go? I don't know, Dean hasn't thought that far. So, but you know, so that's, that's the plan. And so Dean's just like, I'm gonna do the spell.

And he starts it and Sam's like, nah, sorry, it's not going to work for you. Because remember, I'm the one that killed the fucking hellhound and got covered in doggy blood.

So Dean's like, fuck that, I'm gonna track down another hell hound because I need to be the one to do this. And Sam's like, no, I can do the test, it's suicide for you, but I want to live, so I can do this. I can take you to the light. You're a genius, you're better than me, and you're better than dad. I believe in you. And he asks Dean to believe in him.

Don't you believe in me?

That was a sweet speech.

That is. So he gets to have the spell.

Sam starts the spell and something happens to his arm. It starts like getting all glowy.

Yep, he just like sucks up light through his veins and I'm fine. I'm fine. Oh, that's not good.

And that's it.

That's how it ends.

Yeah. Yeah.

So, those of you who will talk about who's in this episode and then we'll talk about how he feels.

Yes. So our cast in this episode, Ellie was played by Denae Garcia. She's been in episodes of shows like CSI Miami and CSI New York. She also has had some long running roles. She was Sophia in Prison Break, which is a regular character, and Luciana in Fear the Walking Dead. That's like 100 episodes of that. She also has been a model and a ballerina.

Ooh!

Alice was played by Allison Richmond Peck. She's been in episodes of L Word, Star Trek Discovery a couple of times. She was Lillian Luther in Smallville for several episodes. She was Jean in Battlestar Galactica as a recurring character. Olivia in the 12 Monkeys series as a recurring character. And most recently was Bev in the Ginny and Georgia series on Netflix, which I've been enjoying. Sorry. Wacked my mic there.

Obispo in Altered States, the movie, the 80s movie. He was a waiter in Dead Men Don't Wear Platt with Steve Martin and also was Olsen in The Man with Two Brains. So two Steve Martin 80s movies. He was Oliver in Action Jackson. He was Dr. Calvin Hobbs in Melrose Place, the 90s version, which reoccurring character Dr. Kaiser in Baseball. Where's our South Park friends?

Mmm!

and boots in the movie Interstellar.

Cindy was played by Tamara Braun. She's been in episodes of Party of Five, a couple episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was in House, Ghost Whisperer. She was, her biggest parts of her career though are soap operas. Reese in All My Children, over 80 episodes. Carly in addition to two other characters, which I don't, which it makes sense for Soap World I think.

Mmm.

in General Hospital in over 700 episodes or yeah, over 700 episodes and Ava and a couple other characters in Days of Our Lives over 400 episodes. So pretty, pretty solid soap opera acting career. And Carl, our trophy husband, was played by a man named John Stewart. He's been in episodes of Fringe, a series of Unfortunate Events, Lucifer, I, Zombie.

There you go.

There we go. So this episode.

The whole story was really just a plot line to drive that they needed a fucking hell hound. So I feel like some of it was kind of I say that nicely. Ellie's cute. It was kind of fun having the not fun. It's always kind of dark. I'm like a super dysfunctional family like that. But whatever they they they worked real hard at it. But that was really all this was this with the whole episode was a was a device to get us to a hell hound. Right. I mean.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, you say that.

But.

I feel like there's two things that I'm slightly confused on. I feel like there's still some slight lack of clarity on Hellhound lore. And...

Does Kevin have more information because this is real stressful?

Yeah, I mean. How how more mean I know I feel like, you know, like they're they're sticking to it, I guess, right. But like they've added in like now we know who else can see them, right. So I'm kind of fine with that. But this like how long you say Kevin to decipher this tablet is because like it's like not all the way there. Like, why is it so hard for him to read it? Like.

Yeah.

Well, it's supposed to be like the thing he's supposed to be like the chosen one to read it.

Yeah, so I don't know why it's like it does seem like overly stressful for the profit like I don't remember truck having these kind of problems, but you know, it's it's just I don't

Yeah. And then and if he knows the first step and he tells them that, but how does he know that this process will close? Yeah.

Like also, why didn't like why didn't they wait to hear all three steps? Like if I were them, I'd be like, well, what are the like I want to know all three before I commit.

Give me the all the steps. All the steps. Correct. Seems. That's where my brain went. Step one. But yeah, I know that's what I was thinking, too. I was just like, oh, so we've only gotten the info on step one here.

Right? Why would you only want to know step one?

I feel like they're Winchester -ing forward, maybe being a little headstrong and maybe stop and figure shit out before you go forward. I don't know. But they're on a mission and so here we go. This is where we're going. And now we're clearly moving into saying Winchester is gonna be going through some trials.

Yeah. I mean, I guess he has to Dean has to kind of let him now. Now, it'd be weird to go back. And now, like so Ellie, just like they're like, hey, bitch, here's a heck of a hex bag disappear. Kick rocks like.

It ain't working. I'm going back now, I don't think.

You got your weird light arm.

No spoilers, but I don't think we ever see Ellie. She's just fucked up. Yeah, she's just fucked up. I mean, I guess so. I mean, we never know what happens. So there's your supernatural spinoff. And you keep looking for the new storyline. Where the fuck happened to Ellie?

Well, according to the casting notes, you don't.

I mean, so she disappeared well.

Weird.

I only off raising horses somewhere. But yeah, so no, I think I mean, like, I like that there was some fun. I thought there was some cool stuff they added in with like the glasses and being able to use the the artisanal oil. That was cool. Yeah.

Good for her.

And we got an excuse to see Jensen Ackles in those glasses. So bravo. Good choice.

Thank you, props team and costumes and whoever did that. Yeah. I want to see more of the pepper.

Well, and that was the end. This is like the first time we got to see a hell hound really, right? And so, but they made it kind of blurry. Like I think, I know they did that on purpose, but I know. Well, we just all know like I want the Sarah Muglachland from a hell hound to come through, you know, like for only $4 a day, you too can say the hell hound from the Winchesters.

I know.

Yeah.

Remember you.

Oh my God. All right.

I think they need a real song or anything else on this side out. So also I saw something that was an interesting thing with this was exactly like halfway through the series. So we're halfway through our podcast, too. We put it that way. We are halfway through. Now it's all downhill. Only seven more seasons ago was all downhill from here, Diana. Dun dun dun dun dun. We're on the other side.

Hmm interesting. Weird. Weird.

So weird to think about. Interesting.

You want me across to the other side?

It's like I know what I'm talking about almost now.

All right, crazy. Don't worry. Some things like I'm gonna fuck that right up soon, I'm sure. All right, cheers. All right, cheers, Derek.

No doubt. No doubt. Cheers, bitch.