Dr. Alok Trivedi, known as Dr. Rewire, joined me for an insightful conversation that shifted the way we view traditional healthcare and approaches to personal development. His journey from a busy clinic to a unique focus on rewiring the brain emphasizes how our thoughts influence our health, success, and overall well-being. Dr. Trivedi shared inspiring stories, including his personal challenges and how he overcame them by adjusting his mindset and behavioral patterns.

Dr. Trivedi's Journey

Dr. Trivedi began his career in personal training, physical therapy, and chiropractic school. Although he achieved success, he realized that many of his patients' problems stemmed from their emotions and beliefs. When a recurring patient showed pain relief by simply answering questions about stressors in his life, Dr. Trivedi found his new passion. He transitions from physical treatment to helping clients rewire their brains to address their challenges.

The Power of the Mind

Dr. Trivedi argues that the brain holds the key to controlling physical health. By addressing emotional and mental hurdles, he believes individuals can solve physical pains and achieve personal success. Through his method known as rewiring, Dr. Trivedi shows how changing thought patterns can lead to better health and life situations. One of his clients, an Emmy-winning friend, found renewed success and happiness through Dr. Trivedi's system.

Traditional Goal Setting vs. Neurological Approach

Dr. Trivedi criticizes traditional goal setting, such as SMART goals, for failing to consider the brain's natural processes. He explains that ambitious goals often lead to stress and dissatisfaction. By focusing on smaller, manageable improvements, individuals avoid the neurological rollercoaster of dopamine spikes and crashes. Instead of setting goals that "scare you," Dr. Trivedi promotes sustainable, incremental progress.

Five Pillars of Health

Achieving health and well-being requires more than just physical fitness. Dr. Trivedi emphasizes the importance of five pillars: mind, body, diet, sleep, and wealth. Starting with mental clarity and a balanced diet leads to restful sleep and physical health, ultimately culminating in true wealth—both financial and emotional. He stresses the need to manage stress and maintain balance to prevent chronic health issues.

Personalized Health and the Brain DNA Test

Understanding personal genetics plays a crucial role in optimizing health. Dr. Trivedi offers a Brain DNA test that analyzes an individual's genetic predispositions to various neurotransmitters. This personalized approach helps tailor lifestyle and dietary choices to one's unique genetic code, leading to better health and happiness.

• Links:
• Brain DNA Test
• Dr. Rewire Website
• Dr. Rewire Instagram

Daily Practices for Balance and Success

Dr. Trivedi advocates for a structured daily routine to ensure a balance between work, personal wellness, and family. Break the day into manageable parts, starting with self-care (mindfulness, exercise), work, family time, and finally, some personal downtime. This routine helps regulate stress levels and keeps the mind focused and calm.

In closing, Dr. Trivedi imparts that rewiring the brain is a viable path to personal transformation, allowing us to control emotions, reduce stress, and lead healthier, more fulfilling lives.

Two Other Episodes You Should Check Out

• Dr. Paul Savage: Are You A Toxic Entreprenuers?
• Rewiring Your Brain for Success with John Assaraf

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What if I told you that your brain actually holds the key to

any kind of breakthrough that you're trying to get through?

Any ceiling you keep hitting in business, in life,

whatever it is today In this episode, I'm talking with Dr.

Aok ti.

He goes by Dr. Rewire.

And you'll see, because everything he does is

definitely not conventional.

And, uh, you know, he's done the conventional work as a doctor,

as a practitioner, hands on.

He's worked with so many folks, and we'll get into his background, but

also we'll get into his approach.

It's not conventional.

He basically flips everything on its head.

And how he approaches people and how to shift your way of thinking

in the way of your reality.

Essentially, in literally minutes, he actually walks

through how to do it on this episode so you can start tapping

into your unlocked potential.

It's kind of exciting, right?

I think you're gonna dig it.

I love this episode, so go jump in and follow Dr.

Rewire after this episode.

He's gonna give you a lot of cool tips.

Let's go.

Dr. Rewire, Mr. Dr. Alo.

Trutti.

Uh, it's great to have you here, man.

And, um, I mean the, the work that you've done just from my research is

incredible and I think it's flipping the whole concept of, uh, just.

How we're, well, Dr. Rewire, you named that for a reason.

So I wanna, I wanna learn about, you know, where you came from,

which I know is in more of the clinical setting, right?

Like it's helping what you're serving.

1200 I think patients, what, uh, was it?

Week per

A week.

Yeah.

It was, yes, per week.

It was

But there was a flip there.

So I'm like, I'm very curious of like, what was

this epiphany that happened?

And walk me through, you know, because you're all

about human behavior.

And, and optimizing that.

So I guess set the scene and then I would love to hear

what that epiphany moment was.

Yeah, I think for me, so I've always asked the question, the one

question I've always asked is, what controls that in the human body?

And that's, that's probably a perfect place to really

start the conversation.

You know, I studied personal training and exercise and

then I went on into personal development, excuse me,

personal into physical therapy.

And I struggled in physical therapy, ended up gonna chiropractic school.

Long story short, I figured that the muscles were

controlled by the nerves.

The nerves were controlled by the brain, and then

what controlled the brain?

So I just kept on going down this path of continued exploration,

and I was fortunate enough to build one of the largest practices

in the country, if not the world at the time, and in it.

But I just kept on finding what's the root cause of

someone's problem, right?

And I remember this case I had one time, gentleman comes in on

the third of every month, why?

Every month he comes in and says, you know what, I've got this doc.

I got this back pain.

I got this back pain.

I said, why are you coming in the third of every month?

He's like, I don't know.

I said, when did it start?

He said, it started last night.

What were you doing?

I was talking with the wife and I said, what were you talking about?

How are we gonna make the mortgage payment?

Mm.

And I said, that's interesting.

And I said, you know what?

Today I'm not gonna touch you.

I'm not gonna do anything with you.

All I wanna do today is I just wanna ask you some questions,

see if I can rebalance the brain.

And I did.

80, 80% of his pain was gone in 10 minutes of asking questions.

And then I went on to say he came back the next day.

And I asked him some more questions, cleared it, it was gone.

Then I didn't see him for six months and I said, what happened?

He goes, I don't know, doc.

He goes, I haven't had any pain.

Every and money started to show up and income started to show up.

And all of a sudden in my clinic, I started seeing more patients.

I started getting people saying, you know, do, do the que do the

brain thing that you do, doc.

I wanna do that.

I don't, I don't want to do the symptom thing.

And long story short, so I continued doing that, started

working with athletes, CEOs, celebrities, and all that space.

And then I went through my own divorce.

Hmm.

And in my divorce, I, long story short, I tried to get,

I was stuck with no money.

I was doing intermittent fasting because it, before it was a thing

because I had no money, like literally had a lemon to eat.

And I ended up basically figuring out the process to rewire.

Long story short, I, I rewired and I figured out that I'd created a

belief in my brain that you could have love or money, but not both.

Ah, yes.

Yep.

And I went nine months without making any money

or any revenue in my life.

That night, I figured it out, I rewired it, and then three

days later I made 175,000 bucks.

Two days later after that, I rewired some more.

I made a hundred thousand dollars.

Two days later I made 80,000.

These are all in sales and deals and um, I said there's something to this

thing that's even deeper and richer.

And so I spent the better part of the next year, two years

of my life, and still to this day, to be honest with you,

continuing to rewire my brain.

I. And at the same time, not only have I made more money, empowered

my own life, freed myself from all these voices in my head and

made myself lose weight, stopped drinking or minimize drinking,

stopped smoking, lost 50 pounds in the process, and took charge

and empowered of my life.

Yeah, I believe you can have success and fulfillment and there's

a path to do it that created that science to be able to get.

Okay.

Wow.

So that's a shift.

I mean, that is not the common approach for any kind of clinical

healthcare, chiropractic, whatever.

You have.

What, what have you.

I mean, I know I've experienced back pain and, you know, gone

to chiropractic and that whole thing, you know, upper back pain.

Everybody has their own part, I feel

sure.

Yeah,

held.

And, um, it wasn't working.

Like if it would work a little bit feel great, but it was like,

why the hell is it still achy?

And I think I came to my own conclusions.

Again, it was very emotionally tied somehow to a meaning, you know, a

belief said, and that's exactly what you found it sounds like, and then

replicated that beyond just yourself or, or someone else, you know?

Yeah.

I wanted to create a system, right Joe?

I wanted to create a system that someone could literally, and I

didn't do it for anybody else.

I did it for my own kids, right?

I'd love to sit on this altruist human being that

I want to better the world.

I do.

I do wanna better the world, but you know what?

I'm a dad first.

Cool.

And I wanted to give, I wanted to give my kids the blueprint of

life, you know, not to go off of Brian Johnson and his blueprint.

Like what's the blueprint of the mind?

Yeah.

Yep.

What's the blueprint of the mind?

And, and I said, if I can teach my kids how to think,

I've done my job as a dad.

And in that process, I've had a chance of not only just

created for my kids, but work with celebrities who help.

You know, who win more Emmys, um, with Daymond John and golfers

and all these cool people and cool stories that they come

to me and they say, I'm stuck.

I can't get ahead.

Help me, help me unblock this, and things just open up.

So that's kinda what I've been able

That's, it is incredible man.

And that shift.

Thanks for sharing that moment.

'cause I feel, I always feel like there's that moment where

it's just that aha moment and.

It was cool that it was with someone else.

It wasn't just yourself, but you saw for externally this massive

change happen and, and then you were able to replicate it.

I, I believe it was a, an Olympian, if I'm not mistaken,

you did this rewire in less than like four minutes or something.

And I don't know if that's story, like, I'm curious if you could share

a story like this or maybe with that person or, or someone else.

That just shows how fast you can flip something, you know,

maybe a deep held belief.

Yeah.

There's so many, I mean, literally can take me a minute

to two minutes to three minutes to be able to rewire someone.

The fastest I've ever done is I've taken a lady who depression.

I. Seven seconds later, she no longer had depression

Oh my gosh.

seven seconds later because it's about rebalancing the brain, right?

So when you help get the brain to where it's supposed to

be, we are able to function.

The body is a beautiful mechanism.

We just don't use it the way that it's designed to be used.

Right.

And so just to, and like I, I mean, I'm thinking of my

friend now who, who's, uh, he's got four Emmy awards.

He was, had two, was stuck, couldn't get anymore.

I rewired him in 10 minutes and unlocked the thing that was

holding back and then went on to win two more Remys, and I think

he's in the running for another one here, um, this year as well.

So like you are that like there's a path to be able to create this.

And as entrepreneurs in this audience, especially, most

people think you're, the problem is your failures, right?

That that's not the problem.

The problem is the successes.

You don't hit the lower limit.

As gay Hendricks used to say, there's an upper limit.

And that upper limit is based on the brain.

It's based on dopamine.

It's based on your, your neurology.

And then when we find it, we can actually govern that whole thing

and control the whole mechanism.

Wow.

and it's a science, it's, and I've created an actual science you could

do, it's not arbitrary anymore.

Yeah.

Well, and like you said, gay Hendricks, the upper limit problem.

Yeah.

Remember that from the Big Leap

Yeah.

That's right.

That's right.

Yeah.

When you, when you start to think of it and frame it in that

way, you're like, holy shit.

Yeah, I'm, I'm actually you, you get confined to whatever

that upper limit that we set for ourselves, if it's conscious

or not, it's subconscious.

It is right then if we're just talking about gay Hendrix, like,

um, he talks about the upper limit and then you fall and

then people call that limit.

Okay, let's just say it's 10 million in business, right?

Let's just say you get to 10 million, that was my upper

limit, and then you fall back to 3 million, let's say for.

Right, and they're like, well, what happened?

That $7 million gap is the gap that now will cause you more anguish,

pain, guilt, shame, resentment, frustration within yourself that,

and it's costing you literally $7 million a year not to fix the brain.

Man.

Okay.

It's costing you that.

Yeah.

But we think it's self-sabotage.

It's not self-sabotage, it's understanding the upper limit.

'cause water sees its own level, your brain finds its own level,

that it matches your identity, your frequency, your nerves.

All these things come together and say, this is the ideal level.

So you'll sit at three, 3 million and that's what you do.

And then you get pissed off and why can't I get to 10?

Why can't I get to 10?

And then we go through these cycles.

We do it for three years, and we get frustrated.

Then we get, we get stop setting goals.

And by the seventh year we get this seven year itch and we wanna

get the hell outta the business.

we bring, you bring up goals.

'cause that was actually one of the things I have on my list,

uh, uh, little topics here and.

I, I wanna get your thoughts on goals.

So like, you have things like smart goals, you know that everyone's

heard of that a lot of, um, I read some stat that 97% of the Fortune

500 companies are, use smart goals, or at least somehow claim

that that's, that's the thing.

But, um, I think you've said is traditional goal setting is

just, it's, it's flawed, you know, there's, it's not correct.

So I'd love to hear your stance on that.

And.

And how that also relates to, uh, like dopamine, the actual

chemicals inside of us and how that can just totally throw everything

Okay, so for the record, if anyone listens to this podcast, you took

me down the neurology path here.

So I'm gonna geek out now if that's all

it, please.

This is on you.

I'll take it.

Um, so what happens is when we set a goal, we set up dopamine pathways.

And we sit and say, let's just use 10 million as a round number in

this, for this audience, right?

Or even a million.

If you think what?

Whatever you think is the right number, let's just use 10.

Um, so you say, okay, I'm gonna go hit a goal of 10

million in my business.

I wanna go after that.

What do you gotta do?

What do you gotta map that zero to 10?

Wherever you're at, let's say it's at 2 million, 5 million, 7 million,

that delta creates a dopamine spike.

Mm-hmm.

Now what's gonna happen is this, is that if you don't hit 10 million

on that goal and you hit 9 million.

You now have anger and frustration because now you're gonna fall

back down because if this dopamine goes up, the other side

of dopamine is something called norepinephrine and epinephrine.

Mm-hmm.

And these are what's known as catecholamines, which are

stress neurotransmitters.

Okay, these are sympathetic to the body.

They release cortisol, adrenal glands, burnout, fatigue in the

body, exhaustion, high blood pressure, insulin resistance,

blood, uh, pre-diabetes.

All this stuff comes from this.

So when I say goal setting is flawed and antiquated, it

is because we're not managing our emotions around the goal.

So dopamine goes up and spikes, and then what happens is if we

don't hit that goal, we crash.

A bigger problem becomes if you do hit the goal,

Hmm.

The bigger problem.

the bigger problem comes if you do hit the goal

Okay.

you hit that spike and now all of a sudden you now

become addicted to that spike.

Because you achieve that thing, you're like, okay, well I

could do anything then, huh?

it again.

I could do it again.

And so what we do is we set then bigger goals.

And then we set bigger goals.

I know the world says, you know what?

Set goals so big that, that they'll scare you.

That is complete nonsense.

That is nothing but nonsense.

If you set a goal that scares you, you now have to go through agony

and pain to try and get there.

The brain doesn't work towards agony and pain.

The brain moves into pleasure and what we've done in personal

development and that for the last, and I've wor studied with the best.

I've had 130 mentors over my career, and what we've said is that, you

know, the the fear, you just gotta cross on the other side of the fear.

No, no, you don't.

You're never gonna live without fear.

What you have to do is manage the fear that you have.

So our brain is designed to sit and say, you know what?

I can set these goals, but I can actually set

'em on 10% trajectories.

Okay.

Manageable.

Manageable.

So I'll use an example.

How do you triple your business?

Now, this is not my, this is not mine.

This is a j Abraham thing, right?

J Abraham.

You increase 10% in one category in your new clients,

10% in your retention, and 10% in another category.

Those are manageable tactics in business that your brain can

sit and say, I can manage that rather than the large number.

And according to Jay Abraham, right?

Like, you can now triple your business because.

To that.

Sure.

Leverage and it has compounding effects throughout.

Yeah.

Completely correct.

And now what we've done is we've managed the emotions.

Dopamine stays regulated and you don't create blood sugar imbalance.

'cause if dopamine goes up, so does blood sugar.

Mm-hmm.

If dopamine crashes, so does your blood sugar.

It follows the same trend, right?

what's, what's the, what's the health effects of that blood sugar?

Just really quick, like

yes, yes.

The more spikes we create in our blood sugar, the more insulin

resistance we create over time.

And insulin resistance leads to diabetes,

Mm-hmm.

so that leads to high blood pressure problems.

Sleeping, brain fog can't get clarity.

You wake up in the morning, I can't think like a lot of, and

maybe your group doesn't, but a lot of entrepreneurs like, man,

I just need a drink to chill out.

I need a, I need a tequila to call out at night.

And like we do all these things as suppressors to our body, rather than

understanding as an entrepreneur, we have to learn to manage.

We have to learn to manage our system and, and so that being

the case, we then create all this illness on the back end.

Your adrenal fatigue kicks in, cortisol spikes, and

cortisol is the hormone.

Then in essence is the stress hormone.

Right.

It's stress.

And so if we have stress, our body doesn't work.

It's like fight or flight.

Right.

Complete fire flight.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Always on.

And chronic stress leads to chronic inflammation.

Which is the source of all disease

All disease comes from chronic inflammation.

Right?

Yeah.

Right.

And, and I'll say it to be politically correct in case

anyone wants to, you know, social media, me, it's, uh,

99% of it all comes from it.

Okay.

Fair.

For the record of that.

Right.

But if we then look at it, and then as entrepreneurs and I,

and this is my, my goal to help entrepreneurs wake up to this

is saying, Hey, look, I got it.

You have to have health, you have to have these five pillars of

health that, that I talk about.

You have to have an unshakable mind.

You have to have an unshakeable body.

You have to have an unshakable diet, and then you have to

have unshakable sleep, and you have to have unshakable wealth.

But most of us are chasing this wealth game, losing our mind,

losing our body, not knowing what to eat, to regulate it for

ourselves, and we don't get the sleep that we need to recover.

So then how are you gonna get any kind of wealth?

How are you define that wealth?

It could be the money or it could just be what fulfillment, you know,

wholeness, uh, break down the five pillars even more because, uh.

I, I'm, and I want to place, I don't know, maybe we could think of like,

when you're working with someone initially, you know, someone that

is wide open on the cortisol, you know, they're chasing these goals.

They've already had some pretty good achievements, but they're

just, you know, they're in a slump and they're coming to you.

Like, how, how do you approach them?

Well, first thing I do is I do a brain DNA test, right?

I, I've created the brain DNA test where we look at your actual

DNA, and we do a cheek swab, send in the cheek swab, and then from

that cheek swab we're able to see.

Seven SNPs that control the five neurotransmitters,

dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, norepinephrine, epinephrine.

And we're able to see how your body responds to these.

So for example, someone who's got a high or a low comp T

Mm-hmm.

gene variable is gonna have a lot of dopamine in their system and a

lot of serotonin in their brain.

Joe is gonna be ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping.

They have like 40 tabs open on their computer.

And they can process it all, but then when it comes time to go to

bed at night, they can't recover.

Ah.

Right.

Problem is that person's also waking up in the morning having a cup of

Java Joe and saying, you know what?

I need this to wake up.

No, no, no.

That's a mistake for that person.

Then what we've gotta do is we've gotta actually figure out, 'cause

everybody has a code, I like to say.

Say you have to know your code.

Once you get your code, then you have to create a system

that works for you to get that.

Yeah.

Then we have to rewire that so that everything you're

doing is matching your code.

Then it makes sense.

Another example, like someone like that, you know, like there's this

big thing in the market, right?

It's for entrepreneurs not totally contradict with

this crap that's out there.

Everyone, you know, in order to get healthy, everyone needs

to cold plunge every day.

Right, the trend.

That's just crap advice.

That's

Why?

Why?

Why would you say that's crap?

Because what happens is that when you're cold plunging every day,

and let's say your body makes too much dopamine, you have too much

dopamine in the system as it is, you go in there, you spike your,

your norepinephrine dopamine levels that now stays in your

system, that now creates cortisol response and stress response,

True.

Okay.

Yeah.

The opposite of probably what you're, you're,

opposite of what you're trying to do.

yeah.

So we have these blanket statements in health and biohacking

that are just as dangerous as the the abuse of medicine

Mm-hmm.

that that's just not accurate.

How about the opposite?

Because you know, you have things like sauna, you know,

and, and like, what would you say on that kind of the total

opposite side of that spectrum?

I think.

I think it's valuable, right?

But I think you've gotta find out your code to make

sure that you can do it.

Because Absolutely.

Do I have a sauna?

I have a coal plunge.

Absolutely I do.

Right?

There's, I'm not saying it's not beneficial.

I'll give you an example.

I'm the perfect example of that.

So I have a coal plunge and I'm just like everyone else,

I'm like, okay, I gotta be disciplined, be all you can be.

And you know, the, the whole like breakthrough walls,

entrepreneurial crap that we say to

sure.

Yeah.

And um, then I went and did my own gene test and, and it said in my

gene test, it said, you know what?

I don't process the cold that well.

Hmm.

Wow,

I live in between

cause more stressors.

Right.

That causes me stress.

So now that causes me stress.

So I go into that cold plunge at 45 degrees, six minutes a day

because that's what they've said on social media is healthy for me.

Now all of a sudden, I go into this thing and I'm causing

more stress on my body.

Cortisol is going up, stress response is going up.

Insulin then goes up, blood pressure goes up.

It doesn't go down.

So instead I said, you know what?

Okay, I got it.

This is a moderation game for me.

So I go in, I turn it up to 52, 53 degrees, and then I go in for three

minutes, two to three times a week.

I like that.

Okay.

Moderation.

Look

There's a moderation game.

No one's talking.

I've never heard anybody say that.

Like How about we just go a little warmer?

Just a little bit For shorter?

Yeah.

Uh

Entrepreneurs have this, and our brains are designed

to go for all or none.

mm-hmm.

That's right.

Well, that's honestly, it's what the media's gonna pick up anyway, right?

So it's

It is.

And that's what we look at and we say, okay, I

gotta go all in or none.

And we, we listen to these people who are out there

saying, we go all or none, and that's all we have to do.

And that's not really accurate because our health

and body is breaking down.

Mm-hmm.

And as entrepreneurs we have to look at it.

If we're the leaders of society, then we have to ask

ourself a different question.

How are we leading?

Mm-hmm.

We have to ask ourselves a different question.

Are we being the part that you would want your child

to be burned out, exhausted?

Truth, and, and you know what?

Not the crap that you put on on your social media, the true answers

that you look inside of your head.

Are you pumping yourself with TRT that makes sales and get

yourself through the day?

Because that's a symptom that you're looking at.

Why not raise your testosterone by getting your brain awake

inspired, getting yourself aligned correctly and getting your body

in the right ho optimal state.

And function at a whole different level rather than just

injecting ourselves all day long.

And I see this all day long and, and um, and we're causing

more illness than we are actually breeding health.

So you mentioned TRT, you know, testosterone, uh,

hormone replacement therapy.

It is very trendy because I think, and you know, I

think it's word of mouth.

You, you see a lot of entrepreneurs doing it.

I have not done it, but I know a lot of people who have, I've

had the blood tests where, where it led me to almost to the cusp.

I was like, eh.

So I guess maybe, yeah, talk about.

That, like that plus maybe some of these other things that might be

common that are detrimental, more detrimental than anyone believes or

A hundred percent.

So let's talk about TRT.

It's a great one, right?

And, and, and many of the males out there, we talk about this, you

know, it's an epi epidemic across the world that male TRT is low.

Absolutely, it is.

Let, let me ask you a question.

What is also an epidemic in our society?

Chronic stress.

Chronic stress will drop your TRT levels.

As an entrepreneur, you're chronically under stress.

And you are working and you're burned out, you're tired,

you're fatigued, your brain, you don't know what the code

is because what happens?

Let me bear with my science mind for a minute.

Your brain creates these neurotransmitters.

These neurotransmitters then communicate and create hormones.

Mm-hmm.

So the way that your brain creates neurotransmitters determines

the hormones in your brain.

Body.

Makes sense, Uhhuh?

So if you're not inspired by the challenges you have, if you feel

frustrated, burned out, tired, and you gotta go to work and work feels

like a grind and you gotta grind it up more and more and more, you

are burning out your testosterone,

Yes.

Okay.

you are burning out your testosterone,

breaking down your body.

And instead of saying, okay, how do I rewire this so that

it's not burning me down?

How do I, how do I build my own testosterone?

'cause you can.

You a hundred percent can, but it's the way that you think and

the way that your brain code is set up that's creating these

imbalances in neurotransmitters that are causing you to burn out

physically with this testosterone.

And so

Yeah,

is there a time for it?

Absolutely.

I'm not taking away from that.

That's not my point.

Is it being overly abused?

In my opinion, it's.

Got it.

How, I guess just to close the loop, because I'm sure people

are wondering, and I am too.

How do you grow or build your own testosterone?

So you set goals that are strategic, that are truly

inspirational to you, that really mean the most to you, right?

Right now, in the entrepreneurial market, everything is about an exit.

Everyone's talking about exit.

There's so much money in private equity.

Okay, good.

What does that mean?

You know, truthfully, what I've found is that.

People who exit their companies come to me most

depressed than ever before.

that's a very common thing.

I was just doing another show earlier, uh,

yesterday, same exact thing.

Never met someone who's made it rich, wealthy,

whatever, and super happy.

You know, it's, it's just, or if there are, they're

very few and far between.

You know what I've found over the years, in all the cases,

all the experience, what I've found is an inspired

entrepreneur builds a business that they never want to sell.

Dan Sullivan talked to me.

Like

that's right.

Yep.

Right.

And I, I believe Dan Sullivan is the OG of OGs

and in business consulting,

I mean, he is what, in his eighties now, so, and he's still rocking.

yeah, I've never been, I just read his books and I've just

watched some of his interviews and so I've never been a client

of visit or any of that capacity.

But I think just that mindset, when I heard that

I guy, I said, this guy gets

it's true.

Yeah, he does.

completely.

And so you build a business that you never wanna sell, but you build

it in the way that you can sell.

So that's where you create the system behind it, but you build it

because you love to serve people.

And when you serve people, you'll get up every morning

with a value of what you do.

You'll have a, an inspiration to wake up and get up and

do something in the world.

But if you say, you know what?

I did all this for money.

I've not found many people that actually truly sit

and say, you know what?

My number one value is money.

'cause once they get money, then they'll lead the path of

debauchery and they'll find ways to destroy and lose that money.

Mm-hmm.

And then the cycle continues or probably is way worse.

Yeah.

now.

They fall.

They say, well, you know what, I've got money so I'm not,

um, I'm not stressed that way.

But they got no fulfillment, no joy, no, no inspiration in the game.

And that's why I say you can have success and fulfillment.

There is a path to having both, for sure.

Got it.

Well, so, and this goes back to the five pillars of

health that you speak about.

It.

I feel like, I dunno, you correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, there's

probably not a sequence to it.

Maybe you have one.

But I feel like yeah, if there's an imbalance in wealth, you

know, that could lead to other imbalances, maybe bo mind, body,

sleep, whatever it might be.

But I'm curious if you could just break down how you think about

the pillars of health and, and so we can all kind of grasp it

For sure, right?

Sleep is essentially important, but here's what I found.

I, I come from a mind first approach to health.

Care

Okay.

' cause the brain controls every single cell tissue

and organ in the body.

And how we think controls every cell tissue or organ in the body.

They have shown, they have shown proof in data.

And I've done this experiment myself.

Go to the gym and do bicep curls and take yourself to

the last rep, maybe doing 10.

You know, the 10th rep gets super angry and think of something super

negative that pisses you off.

Hmm.

That 10th 11th rep is gonna become super hard.

It's gonna be hard to finish that rep.

Yeah.

Now think about the thing that you love and inspire,

that you want to do the most.

You'll get two or three more reps outta yourself in that.

' cause your brain will move towards what it is you really

want, if it inspires you.

Interesting.

It's really interesting.

So what we have to do is, I, I, I say, get the mind clear first.

Right.

Rewire the brain.

Get yourself, know who you are.

Know your values.

Know your identity.

Know why you're doing what you're doing and link everything

in your life, every emotion, everything to that mind.

'cause once the mind gets calm, then the body gets cleared.

Now you reduce the cortisol.

Now you reduce the the blood sugar problem.

Now you get rolling hills.

As our, my friend Gary said, you get proper rolling hills that

then spikes in blood sugar, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Then you say, okay, now what do I eat?

Then you gotta look at, okay, now we gotta control the diet so we

don't spike these blood sugars.

And then, then once those things come into place,

sleep falls itself right in

Hmm.

Makes sense.

'cause your body's gonna want it and so your diet is gonna fit with it.

Yeah, exactly.

And then watch your wealth explode.

Watch your wealth explode at that point.

Hmm.

But I will say.

That if, you know, if you're listening to this and saying,

you know what, doc, that makes sense, but you know what,

I'm, I'm just trying to figure out how to pay my bills.

I'm trying to get through the date.

I get it.

I completely get it right.

And, and I've been there, so I, I empathize with you.

But at the same token, what I'm saying is that what you've

gotta do is learn to kind of mix both of them into the game.

Don't neglect the health while you're trying to build wealth

Mm-hmm.

until you can fully sit and say, you know what?

I can spend the first 3, 4, 5 hours of my day.

In my own state to go work four to six hours if you want

to, and then come back and spend time with the family.

I think if you structure your day that way, I like the way

Ed Millet sometimes explain.

I think I heard him say this one time.

He said he structure, he structures his day in in

threes, in chunks of three I.

I kind of like that.

I kind of like that, that idea.

I get up in the morning, six o'clock, six to 10 is my time.

Yeah.

That's my time.

Like that's my workout, that's my training, that's my rewiring.

That's my reading.

That's, that's me, that's my learning time.

So I spent four hours there, and then I go, okay, 10 o'clock,

I'll do my first meeting, and I work till about four, right?

10 to four, six hours, unless I'm actually doing a seminar

or something like that, right.

Then it's a, it's a full different game.

So I'll work six hours in there and then four o'clock

I'm like, I'm done, I'm done.

I go back to the gym.

So I do two workouts a day and I go back to the gym.

In that I'll do a, uh, I'll do like a little like cardio or

something, get the body blood moving, get my steps in, and

then five o'clock it's like, all right, son's got a soccer game

or some activity, family dinner.

And then I do, man, I'm gonna say something that every entrepreneur's

gonna sit and say, no, you can't.

I like to sit at the end of the day and watch a little tv.

How dare you?

I know

Geez.

I like to do it.

I watch Modern Family and Life in pieces, and I love it.

Modern family's awesome.

Yeah.

I was gonna ask you.

Okay.

What are you watching?

yeah.

Even better.

Okay.

Modern family.

Yeah.

Love it.

Uh, so I, I have a couple things that came to mind as

you're walking through this.

So, obviously the five pillars of health is sequential, starting

with the mind, at least in the way you say it, and I fully

believe that's true as well.

A couple things that come to mind, like.

And I wanna ask you about some of the specifics to keep

those rolling hills going.

Going, as Gary Breca

sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

uh, like breath work for me, I found all the way from Wim Hoff,

which is pretty aggressive to things that are more intentional, but can

still get very similar results.

Um, or going into pushups like Wim Hof, you know, do 40 whatever, you

know, inhale, exhales, and then, you know, do the whole routine.

And then start just like cranking as many pushups as he can.

And I'm sure with even a more positive mental picture of

whatever you're going for.

But I've always found I could do way more, you know, like

a good extra 10, maybe more.

Um, and I'm sure that relates to, 'cause you're clear in your mind

you're, we're you're settling the brain, or sorry, the body and the

brain, uh, through the breath work.

So like would a mechanism like that be helpful or is that

something that you use yourself?

Yeah, I love breath work.

I completely love breath work, right?

I'm an Indian guy, so like breath work and yoga is like, that's

what we grew, we grew up with.

So I'm totally in for.

And I think oxygen and Gary is so dead on the money when he says

presence of oxygen is the absence of disease, he's dead on the money.

The rewiring work we do is about bringing oxygen

to cells that need it.

Right.

And when he saw me rewire someone, he is like,

doc, how did you do that?

He's like, he's seen me do it.

If you go to my Instagram, you'll see his testimony.

He is like, I've never seen anything like that.

And Gary's great and he's right with that.

And what we've gotta do is put push more oxygen.

So breath work is helping oxygen get to the system.

Absolutely.

Now I will.

You know, Wim Hof has so many studies that I've done on him

and that are, that are completely wild as story and testimony

Injected, uh, what e coli and all that.

Yeah.

All this stuff, absolutely ridiculous, right?

So I'm not going to say anything against it 'cause

I can't speak to that.

But I will go back to, to my roots and say, breathwork in

the eastern world has been around for millennials, right?

Centuries.

And what has been taught, what I've learned is that if you're

doing the deep aggressive breath.

And you're doing that heavy breath.

Sure.

It's stimulating the sympathetic nervous system.

Right?

The short inhalation is about your sympathetic nervous system,

and the exhalation is about your parasympathetic, which is your

relaxed part of the nervous system.

So fight or flight when you take in and when you exhale.

It's about relaxing and basically, uh, rest and digest.

And what I've always taught, I've taught my patients for

almost 25 years now, is take a deep breath in for seven.

Hold it for seven and release it for seven,

Okay.

Every, even everything's even.

even it up, because what you do is that you activate the

sympathetic nervous system.

You now put that oxygen.

That oxygen now forces itself into cells, and then you relax

for seven, and then you get the carbon dioxide and that out of

the system, and the body gets rid of that and it re resets itself.

What we want is the optimized state is not more.

Or less.

It's balanced.

It's systematic.

It's unshakeable.

Unshakeable is balanced, and so breath work, I call

it unshakeable breath work.

Yeah.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, I gotta, I gotta check into that.

I love it.

And I found as I eased down, 'cause I was all about the

Wim h for a while and I'm sure it's partially marketing.

Um, it is great.

But it introduced me and I know a lot of others to

breath work and things like you said, and the eastern way

of being and, and everything.

I like, I have a bunch of Indian friends and I've no.

Breath work's been around forever.

Yoga, these, these very intentional, all the way back

to the whole inflammation.

Ayurveda, you know, it's like it's all tied in together.

Yeah.

It's all tied in.

You know, I've been, I've, I'm, I've a geek when it comes to health.

My, you know, my family and everyone knows like, what do I study?

I study health.

Sure.

I pretend like I'm an entrepreneur, like maybe a lot of your

audience, but I'm really a doctor.

Like I love healing, like, and I have a business in healing, right?

So that, like, that's what I do.

But at the end of the day, I'm a doctor.

So I've studied Ayurveda, I've studied functional medicine,

I've studied all of these things to create, look at what, what?

I don't know that there's a best system.

What I've said is that how do we take all of these systems

and make it the best for you?

Mm-hmm.

You see what I'm saying?

All the way back to the brain DNA test, which

All the way back to the brain.

DNA test.

If someone has, so some, someone who has high amounts of MAOA

or looks low amounts of MAOA is gonna be known as a warrior gene,

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

right?

So what do they need that you give them more pump up of oxygen,

fire 'em up with more oxygen, they're gonna be more awake.

That's gonna make the dopamine go higher.

Serotonin's gonna go higher, and they're gonna go and say,

I'm unstoppable to everything.

But then they're gonna crash.

That person at night is gonna sit and say, I am drained.

And they go all or none.

All or none.

There's no grounding middle space for that person.

Or is there, like, is there another approach?

Like what would you Um, um, gotta be.

There is, of course there is, right.

I'm saying, but like the way that they live now, of course

yeah.

That's the now way.

Okay.

Gotcha.

But, but then we would rewire their brain to be able to

regulate that number one.

Then I'd get breath work into it.

I would not have them do crazy heavy lifting all the time.

Light low rep lifting would be a completely

different answer for them.

Instead of saying, you know what, let me go pump up.

You know, ever the max reps, all I can do, you know what if I take

you to 25 reps at a lower, you're gonna burn out that dopamine.

You're gonna burn out that serotonin and it's excess in your body.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Okay.

And that probably, you know, like you said, you work out twice a day.

I know a lot of people aren't even working out once, but

workout y'all do something.

But, uh, you know, like you could have a whole different workout,

I'm assuming in the morning.

Maybe that's more of a pump up, a raise up, and uh, and then one in

the evening or later in the day to, I'm assuming, depending on who

you are, you know, maybe that's the more calm, mindful way of working

out whatever that looks like.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I. Depending on you, right?

Like it's, we are in an era, obviously now with, um, brain

test, or excuse me, with personalized medicine being

so on the front forefront.

We now, we now have to create a personalized psychology.

We can't just say we, we follow all humans function the same way.

That's just not true.

Yeah, that's not true at all.

And I mean immediately, 'cause I do a lot of stuff in AI and now,

you know, we all have access to pretty much all the information.

Whenever are you leveraging ai or at least the idea of like, okay,

we have all these results now how do we make you the absolute best?

I'm just, you know, with the studies and everything that you

know about in your own practice.

I don't, I'm not in practice anymore, so I don't, I don't

have a brick and mortar.

I got through my brick and mortar about 10 years ago.

Because I was more of an educator.

I wanna teach people how to live healthy life.

And if, if I figured if I was in practice, I'd get lost

and it would get out there.

So, um, but nonetheless, the question was, is that, is

there, um, a a, an AI use?

We do.

So I have an app called the LT Mind app, and I actually

programmed it where you talk into the app and it gives you voice

recording, it uses your voice to analyze your emotional state,

Hmm.

and then from that.

I've programmed it to rewire your brain.

Hmm.

So you will literally, if you're stuck, you're frustrated.

I tell my clients in the morning, just download the app.

Rewire your brain in the morning, rewire it at night.

Watch your HRV.

Go up, watch your blood pressure go down, watch your heart rate go

down, watch your sleep get better.

Your REM sleep will go up.

Right when I sleep, when I go to bed, I've got, I go to bed at 9 45.

I wake up at 5 45 clockwork every single day.

It doesn't.

I mean, I get up to use the bathroom 'cause I drink so

much water at the same time.

But I don't have that issue.

Not to say I didn't, but the more I calm the mind,

the better sleep I got.

That's rem.

And HRV, you mentioned that like, I know that goes

back to breath work even.

In hold out.

That's a direct HRV correlation right there.

Chill out your heart and your, yeah.

And that's all controlled by the debris.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When I learned about that, that like with what you're saying,

I'm like, duh, everything goes downstream from that point on

It's completely downstream.

So what I always wanted to get to was the core, core source of it.

That's why the brain, DNA, is the core source

of how all of this works.

So you look at your HRV and say, okay, I'm trying to lower my HRV.

You do breath work.

Okay?

And that's great.

Is there something up here that we need to add?

Maybe, maybe this person's got this, this, um, gene and

they need more tryptophan and they need more serotonin.

In their body to regulate.

So we, you gotta look at it and say, okay, let's, let's

put more meat, let's put more Turkey in this person's diet

Hmm.

to get an outcome.

Versus maybe more fish, maybe more mercury.

You wanna put more tryptophan, more Turkey in their diet

that's gonna help build more serotonin for themselves.

They're gonna sleep better because of that night.

yeah, yeah.

The, I'm gonna be taking this test for one, the

brain rewire or Yeah, sorry.

The brain DNA test.

'cause that is absolutely like, it's funny 'cause I

work with another doctor.

I just had him on Dr. Paul Savage, who's.

All about, um, you know, essentially figuring out toxins,

taking toxins outta your body.

So I have a toxin test sitting on my counter right now to

take pee a cup and go do that.

Well, this is like, we all need to be doing these markers 'cause

it's, it's not, I think, like what he said, it's not a mystery

until you get data behind it and you need to get the data

on yourself and then you, then you can do something about it.

That's exactly what you're saying here.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Right.

I think the tests that are out there amazing.

Like, uh, mold toxicity, all that stuff is a huge, I, I

can't say that I do it enough to be very honest with you.

It's something that I need to add more to my protocol, but it's

something that I definitely need to think more about and I don't,

as much as I probably want to start thinking about those things.

there's a lot of new stuff coming.

I, yeah, I'm in, like I'm learning all about the toxin stuff and

working directly with the doctor.

I get firsthand and we're like, okay, this is frightening.

But

it's crazy.

yeah.

So hopefully, yeah.

If you haven't listened to that episode, y'all,

it's already released.

So go check out Dr.

Savage.

I'm gonna listen to it too.

you should.

Yeah, you will.

You'll love it, man.

But so let's, uh, let's wrap it up here.

I mean, I have so many other questions, but, um, I give them a

next best step because, you know, we're all approaching this from

different angles, different beliefs.

So where should say they start?

I'm assuming the, the brain DNA test.

So,

think so.

If you asked me six months or a year ago.

I would've gave you a whole bunch of protocols to do, right?

But my research has shown me that that's a mistake.

Mm-hmm.

research has shown me that the first thing you should do is get

your code, get your specific code.

Then let's talk about, okay, the next piece of that code is your

value code, your psychological code.

But the first piece is let's get your genetic code to understand

how to process these things.

Because when you process, then you know how to

navigate all these pieces.

Maybe you, maybe you're an entrepreneur, like it's so crazy.

Like maybe you're an entrepreneur that is mo demotivated, burned

out, fatigued and tired.

You're blaming testosterone in your body, but the problem

is the gene upstream and,

that's good.

Rolling?

and that's controlling it.

But you're taking this testosterone and then

taking all the side effects.

Mm-hmm.

along.

Potential side effects.

Right.

I know someone will argue with me.

Well, it's most studied this and that.

It's great for its brain health.

I get all of that.

I'm not saying no to that.

I'm just from the, the the vantage point.

Can you create it on your own?

Yes.

I know this 'cause my dad is 73 years old and he's

got an 830 testosterone.

Ooh.

Holy moly.

Yeah.

And so, and I'm like, dude, you want, you wanna

pass some of that over

Ready?

I'm sitting at seven 90, so I'm not far behind, but I

don't take any of that stuff.

It's, it's, and, and so you think you gotta ask yourself the question,

like, how do you wanna do it?

You gotta get the code first.

I think that's the most important thing I really do.

I really believe that in the heart of hearts.

Get that.

Then everything else becomes customized to you.

Where do they go to get it?

You just go to Dr. Rewire test, go to Dr. Rewire test,

where if you go to Instagram, it's on, it's on the page.

You can just kind of buy it from there.

Whatever.

And, um, it's really simple.

It's really easy.

You just do a cheek swab, get it in five to seven days.

You'll have the answers to what you want.

And you know what, then you can take the supplements, lifestyle changes

that are there for you if you want.

Then if you want more implementation, then you can

kind of do more implementation.

Or if you wanna work more directly with me, you can do that too.

Whatever way works best for you, but you don't have to.

But the whole point is know that's, you know how to implement

these tools in your life.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So I'll link everything in the show notes description, make

it easy for everybody to find, and, um, I'm so fascinating.

I love this stuff, man.

And, and the fact that science.

I mean, it's just we're, we're all getting smarter, but the fact that

we have people like yourself who are now getting data that probably

no one's ever thought about to even get, maybe had the ability to

get, and now we can run it through some really smart systems and,

and we all have our individual protocol, is not as sexy as like,

Hey, let's all go cold plunge.

Right.

You know?

It's not good for everyone's marketing.

I get that right for the these, but I, you know, I'm not a data

guy, believe it or not, I'm not a gross mass AI data guy.

That's, I'm, I'm a doctor that wants to help people live

the best life that they can.

That's what, that's, that's my intention.

That's my heart.

That's what I do.

And I want people to have their, the right things for themselves

to be able to do that because I want that for my kids and myself.

I'm my own patient.

First is, I like to say.

Okay.

I lied.

There's one other question that just come, comes to my mind.

It's like, what's, what Do you struggle with

any of these techniques?

Because I read what you have, like 92 or more?

It's about 120 to 120 different tools, ways I can rewire the brain.

Now,

So, is there something that you personally still struggle

with, that you're, you're grappling for whatever reason?

it's a good question.

I think I sometimes still with my own DNA, I think I get caught

up in the entrepreneurial game.

Hmm.

So is that more external or internal?

It becomes external.

And I get reminded and I, and I have to go back to that as a practice to

remind myself to really govern that.

Because the thing is, is that if you don't govern

it, it will take you over.

That's right.

Yeah.

Right.

And, but you know, I, I let sometimes do, get caught up in,

all right, let's go do this.

And, and then I, then I need to look at it and I have to

work on that continuously to sit and say, ah, hold on.

And my daily practices that I have help me get there.

But then you know what, I'm like everybody else.

I can go to a seminar, I can see this guy do this, I exit and I can

see this be like, maybe I can do it.

And then I'm like, is it what I really want?

Am I willing to trade my life and what I have now

for that as an outcome?

Hmm.

And I don't know that's the answer, but I have to bring myself down.

That is something I struggle with.

That's cool.

Thanks for being open.

I know it's a very common one.

I struggle with it here.

Like when I have awesome folks like yourself, like, oh wow, I

gotta go deeper doing whatever.

It could be a shiny, uh, you know, we're all dealing with it.

And I feel at this age, even more so, social media, ai,

whatever we're learning.

I'll tell you the habit that I struggle with the most

Yeah.

is social media on the morning.

Hmm.

There you

go.

social media in the morning is my, is my crutch, and I

have to cognizantly like.

Really sit and say, okay, you know, um, I'm gonna

leave my phone outside.

I'm gonna read my book.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stop and read my book.

I'm gonna think.

And, but we get into this habit and it's just like, and I notice

the days that I do social media in the morning, I'm more hyperactive,

Ah, you're switching.

Yeah.

Without thinking.

And, and it, that it, ah,

completely.

a lot of folks can relate.

Yeah.

I have my own advices, but hey, thank you for sharing.

This is, this is really awesome.

I love the, uh, the, the chat.

And again, I'll link everything.

Go take your test.

Y'all go learn more.

I'm gonna go to Instagram.

Talk about social media and look at some of these

transformations you've been doing.

Absolutely love that.

Hap.

Happy to help.

Thank you for having me.

Appreciate it.

you got it?

Yeah.