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“Oftentimes, I share with the students. Everybody wants to do Psychedelic Journey these days. And I'm like, listen, if you are not cleaning up your diet and getting your body right, your mind is not going to be able to project the images properly.” says Speaker A, holistic lifestyle coach, shamanic practitioner, and expert teacher at the Czech Institute, who joins Mental Health in a Modern World for a riveting exploration of the intersections between ancient shamanic wisdom and cutting-edge biogeometry.

A lifelong seeker whose own childhood health struggles propelled her into the world of holistic healing, Angie Chek weaves together biology, energy medicine, biogeometry, and shamanism to reveal how unlocking mental, emotional, and spiritual health demands clearing not just the mind—but the body and one’s physical environment as well. She unpacks the surprising ways in which energetic imbalance, environmental toxins, and even soul fragmentation show up as chronic diseases or mental health challenges. Her stories of animal spirits, nature divination, and soul retrieval offer a fresh perspective on anxiety, depression, and the so-called “spiritual crisis” seen today in children and adults alike.

Tune in to this episode of Mental Health in a Modern World to learn why true healing requires a clean vessel, how biosignatures act as an energetic language for organ balance, and why our pain, rather than being suppressed, is often the very key to transformation. Discover practical insights for parents of sensitive kids, seekers of non-psychedelic shamanic practices, and anyone interested in bridging science and spirit for next-level mental wellbeing.

5 Key Takeaways

Discover practical steps from this episode to enhance your well-being, mental clarity, and sense of connection—start transforming your life today:

1. Clean up your diet and lifestyle to become a clearer vessel for insight, healing, and shamanic experiences.
2. Incorporate daily meditation and movement practices to quiet your mind and strengthen your intuition.
3. Explore biogeometry and start experimenting with biosignatures to harmonize your personal energy and environment.
4. Limit screen time and increase time spent in nature for yourself and your children to reduce overstimulation and enhance grounding.
5. Practice soul retrieval and address past traumas to reclaim lost parts of yourself and support your mental and emotional health.

Take the first step now—choose one action and commit to it today!

Memorable Quotes

"Everybody wants to do Psychedelic Journey these days. If you are not cleaning up your diet and getting your body right, your mind is not going to be able to project the images properly."

"If you really want to dive into these realms, start with meditation. Get your mind to quiet—when you quiet your mind, then you can start to hear again, you can start to feel again, you can start to sense again. Then that whole world opens up to you."

"Don’t spend your life trying to convince someone to like peaches when there are so many people who love peaches. Find your people, find your tribe, be you, and watch the magic happen."

Connect with Angie

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Resources Mentioned

Biogeometry: Back to a Future for Mankind by Dr. Ibrahim Karim - https://amzn.to/4eQo5X1

The Way of the Shaman by Michael Harner - https://amzn.to/4efnUo3

You Can Heal Your Life by Louise Hay - https://amzn.to/4t6J9My

Connect with Greg

Website - https://www.healing4d.com/

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YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@gregschmaus

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Oftentimes, I share with the students. Everybody wants to do Psychedelic Journey these days.

And I'm like, listen, if you are not cleaning up your diet and getting

your body right, your mind is not going to be able to project the images

properly. And the analogy would be like, back in the day, when I grew up,

we had bunny ears like little antennas on top of our tv. And when you

change a channel, you had to change the ears in order get the right signal.

So if you don't have a clear antenna, which is a healthy body,

that's going to scramble it up and you're not going to see a good signal.

So you're thinking, you see what you're seeing, but you're not. In a world moving

faster than our minds were designed to handle, mental health is becoming one of the

defining challenges of our time. Welcome to Mental Health in a Modern

World with holistic health practitioner Greg Schmauss. After

overcoming severe anxiety and OCD in his own life,

Greg dedicated the past decade to helping others heal through a fully

integrated approach to mental health, combining lifestyle coaching,

psycho emotional healing, mindfulness, and archetypal work.

Over the years, he's facilitated thousands of sessions guiding people back

to peace, clarity, and a deeper connection with themselves.

Each week, Greg shares powerful solo insights, conversations with

leading voices in holistic healing, and immersive live coaching sessions that

take you inside the healing process itself. New episodes every

Friday. Follow the show and start reclaiming sovereignty over your mind

in a modern world. Here's Greg. So, Angie, welcome to the

podcast. Thank you. Great to be here. I'm excited.

Yeah, I'm excited. So for any of my listeners

that aren't yet aware of your work, I'd love for you to just share

a little bit of your background and how you got into the field

of holistic health and a lot of what you've been up to recently.

Okay, well, that's a. That's a big question, because it probably started when I was

just a little girl. I was like six months old, and I was

diagnosed with croup. And so I had this whooping cough. And,

you know, first they didn't know what it was from, and then they said, well,

she just has croup. And because of that diagnosis, as you would call

it, my whole life I've been trying to figure out why my lungs weren't working

properly. You know, my brother was this really healthy kid, and I was this

sick kid all the time. The weather changed. I couldn't breathe, you know, and I

was always home from school. I was the Kid that loved school, My brother hated

school. I was the one who had to stay at home because I was having

ailments. And I just started getting into the health industry real early

because I started reading about nutrition and health at a young age. Like

my favorite book as a kid was the Medical Encyclopedia, because I was trying

to figure out, well, what's going on with my body, what am I feeling, what's

happening? And then I started reading about herbs and trying to figure out what herbs

could help me. And, and so that's kind of like paved the

way from where I'm at now. So I became a biology major

at the University of California, Riverside, and then I went on to get my nutrition

degree. Along the way I also became a personal trainer because I wanted to learn

how to take care of my body and then help others take care of theirs.

And that led me to Paul's work with the Czech Institute. And now I'm a

holistic lifestyle coach, a teacher to teach coaches how

to be coaches. And in that I also delved into all these other

modalities. I learned about shamanism. I'm a three year

advanced trained shamanic practitioner. Through Michael Farmer's work.

I went into energy medicine and now I'm really deep into

biogeometry. Yeah, it seems like it's a

pretty common theme that our early childhood

experiences or our own personal healing journey kind of sets the

stage for a lot of our purpose or our mission in this work.

How, especially in shamanism, they talk about the initiations that you

go through. It sounds like you had your initiation quite

early on. Yeah, right on. And that's exactly right. And I, I teach that in

my holistic lifestyle classes. I teach that our pain is

actually there to guide us in our direction in which we're supposed to go.

So if someone just takes your pain away, you might be missing the message. And

so my pain made me interested in nutrition and health.

Yeah, absolutely. And so I'd love to get into

biogeometry. I know this has been a huge passion of yours

recently and it's something that's really interested me. So I'd love for you to

just give us, to start, just a brief overview of what

biogeometry is. Okay. So

biogeometry, the way I like to explain it is that it's a relatively new

science based on old Egyptian techniques. And so it

was founded by Dr. Ibrahim Karim. He's still alive, in his 80s,

and his background is he's an architect and he's

Egyptian. And so he, his big Thing was how did they

harness this energy, this healing energy in pyramids. And he was wondering

how he could harness that energy to create homes for people like apartment

complexes that would actually benefit the people living in it. In his

quest put him all over the world where he was looking at sacred sites to

figure out what it is that made these sites,

healing sites. And he acted three energies there.

And so we call them BG3 like biogeometry 3. And

so it's the higher harmonics of ultraviolet, the higher harmonics of

gold. And also of, it's also called horizontal

negative green. I'm sorry, horizontal negative,

Negative green, yes. There's vertical and negative. I had to make sure I saw the

right one. So horizontal negative green, gold and ultraviolet, these three

colors come together. And when those three colors come together, they

enhance not only human life, but all sentient beings. So, so all

things at the cellular level, plants, animals, everything has

a benefit from these three light colors coming together.

So is the technology of biogeometry taking

the electromagnet magnetic field of an environment

and organizing the energy within it? Like is it creating

just a greater sense of coherence? So what it is it's doing, it's actually

transmuting it into energy that is actually healing

versus damaging to the body. And would you say that,

you know, because the show is mental health in a modern world. Our modern world

is filled with so many disruptive energies from non native

EMFs to a lot of pollution. So I'm curious

if you feel like this technology is probably more

essential now than ever just given a lot of the

energetics of our environment. Yeah, absolutely. That's one of the reasons I

got into it because I was of that mindset. Let's, let's blow up the

5G towers now 6G towers. And it's like. And I was like, how do we

get rid of these? And when I started listening to Dr. Karine, he had this

more gentle approach. He's like no, this is, this is

modern science. How can we learn to work with it? So by

simple techniques, simple solutions, we can change that energy coming out

of the cell phone towers and create into a harmonizing energy. And

that's when I was interested. I'm like, well let's see how we can do that.

Because it's way more yin, you know, And I exploding things is just violence with

violence. So it's like let's how can we change this and alter it?

And his, his work, you know, originally started with in Hamburg, Switzerland.

And that's how he he was actually commissioned to change the 5G towers.

They were practicing it a long time ago. And they said, hey, these 5G towers

are causing people to get cancer, tinnitus, hurting

the animals. And. And so Dr. Karine's answer was like, well, if

you know what's causing the problem, why don't you just get rid of the problem?

They're like, ah, yeah, we can't do that, but we know you can fix it.

And he's like, yeah, I can. So he went out there and he altered them

with his solutions. He made these Hamburg emitters and he put these

solutions pointed at the 5G towers. And sure enough, within

seconds of getting the pollution corrected, people noticed. They're like, my ears

aren't ringing anymore. And then shortly after, weeks later, people who had

cancer, the cancers were going to remission. There was leukemia in the

animals and the leukemia was now disappearing. And like, well, this is

crazy. And at first they said, oh, it's just placebo effect that this

thing, it's like, we believe it so therefore it's working. And he says, well, there's

no placebo effect on animals. So he started doing more research on animals

and showing the fact they don't know. He was like, unless they speak. I forgot

what language they were speaking. He's like, unless they speak, you know, the language, then

they wouldn't know what we're doing. So it be saw that the animals were actually

getting healthier. Wow. So

obviously there's been for many, many years

a whole field of grounding. We go outside, we get barefoot on the

earth, we expose ourselves to the Schumann resonance and it lowers

inflammation and things like that. So is this kind of

taking some of that technology just to a whole nother level?

I think there, you know, there's so many different modalities. I think there's many ways

to heal a person. And so I think they're all pointing in the same direction

where, you know, recognizing that we're energetic beings and

recognizing that we have to concentrate on the human being as a whole and

energetically working on us. And that's why he created the

biosignatures. And the bio signatures are a specific branch of

biogeometry that works on balancing the energy in

our organ systems and specific body parts so that they can become

healed again. The way I like to explain that is, you know,

you think about energy and it's like we're, we're getting scrambled

by these 5G towers, microwave ovens and even chemicals, you know,

and things, additives and things. They put in our food, it scrambled

our energetic field. And then our body goes well, what's the optimal way to go

through my liver? Or what's the optimal way to go through my lungs? And

doesn't remember that optimal way. So it creates a new pathway and over

time that leads to disease. And so when you

understand these signatures that he's created, when you place those signatures directly

on your skin, you could draw em on yourself or create an emitter, which I

deal with paper emitters with a picture of the person. It sends that energy

back to the person to remind them of the optimal balance and

how the energy goes through these organs. And as soon as your body

picks it up it's like yes, that's the right way. And immediately we see

healing start to take place. So you're

so part of it, you're using certain symbols, is that correct?

They're called biosignatures. And Dr. Cream, during his

quest of finding information about the pyramids, he was given

these, these ancient scrolls. They were actually, I think a library

in Cairo. And they said we need to entrust you with these. And there

was these very ancient scrolls. And in that scrolls there was information about

these signatures that were used in the ancient times.

And so he learned about them and he was able to start creating his own

based on the information and the scrolls. And now he's has over 158

of these signatures for the body. It almost sounds like a language.

It really is, you know, and it's interesting because you say that

because I've been working with them for almost seven years now

and I have created a book and I'm not publishing it

publicly because I don't want it to interfere with Dr. Kring's book. He

had the biosignature in his book. He just shows lungs 1,

lungs 2, lungs 3, without any information about it. And I

wanted to know more about the signature. So I actually started asking my

clients questions like tell me about your heart condition, tell

me about what's going on with your lungs. And I would write notes, I'm like

oh, this, this signature supporting this condition. And over

time I have information not only on the physical level, but the mental

emotional level as well. So someone had might have a negative thought that's

creating destruction in an organization. And so I write all this information

down and that helps me figure out what signatures are needed and why

they're needed. And so it's a language. And so

that came very strongly. Just like a week ago I was working on this

high profile case and what came to me is I

have, I'm using the signatures and it's a language for me to connect

to like different dimensions, just like some of my arrow and

get information. Well, they have developed a language with those cards.

This card to me means this, this card to me means that. And when those

cards show up, it's like, oh, I need to tell this person about this. Because

this card showed up with this meaning. And now it's a

language for when those signatures show up. It's like, yes, this signature is going

to tell me to tell them to look this in this direction.

It's funny because when I was exploring what

I wanted to talk to you about, the two things that came up were biogeometry

and shamanism. And what I'm starting to hear is that they're not

separate. It's almost like biogeometry is a form of

shamanism. Because these symbols, like when, when

I've worked with symbols in the past, they almost

appear as entities, almost like

energetic beings that carry consciousness that you can work with

to create healing, which is shamanism. And so I'm curious

if you've kind of explored like that, shamanism and

biogeometry. There's a bridge between the two, that they're not so separate.

Yeah. And I think like all these healing modalities, they're all

ways of tapping into the unconscious, you know, And I think that, you know,

whether you, like I said, whatever modality you use, ruin stone,

you know, divination of some kind, all of that is connected. And

if you're listening, like I even speak with animals. And so animals show

up in my field and always giving me messages and warning. Like even

yesterday I was driving home with the kids and bringing them home from school

and his hawk comes diving down in front of my windshield and it was away.

I'm like, well, that was a message for me about the hawk. The hawk tells

me to pay attention, look around. I thought, okay, what do I need to be?

So I immediately looked at my speed. Am I driving too fast? Let me slow

down. Maybe something's going to be on the road, you know. And it just gives

me that warning. So it's like a heads up, don't drive fast, something's happening. But

it wasn't on the road. It was when I got home. I parked the car,

we got out of the car and the kids came out of the car and

Zomi starts to scream. This is just yesterday. And there was a big

snake right on our driveway. And so it was like the hop was saying

hey, be aware of your surroundings. You know, thankfully, it was just a garden snake,

but we have a lot of rattlesnakes. So immediately thought, rattlesnake busted in the house.

I said, well, you did everything right. You got away from the snake. That's what

you want to do. But the hawk was there to say, hey, pay attention. There's

stuff in your field. And so shamanism's alive and well in any

all these modalities, and it's a great way to connect. So

whichever way a person wants to connect is valid. And the more

you do it, it strengthens the language. Yeah.

One of the things that I'm really curious about because I've experienced this in my

own life, is, you know, in the Czech Institute,

we explore a lot of, you know, parasite

infections, fungal infections, the microbiome, how all of these

organisms have a huge impact on our health, whether it's

physically, mentally, emotionally. And something that I've been exploring

recently is how different organisms

vibrate at different frequencies and how

whatever mental, emotional state we're in, if we're

in resonance with a certain organism, we might be more

susceptible to, let's say, a fungal infection. Like, I have felt

people that have have stagnation in their life,

they're more susceptible to fungal infections or mold, or

if someone has a lot of suppressed anger, they might

be more susceptible to like, a shingles virus or some other

organism. And so I'm curious whether it's in

biogeometry or just in your own work, if you've explored the

connection between some of these chronic infections

and how these organisms vibrate at certain

frequencies and whether biogeometry is something that you

use to kind of help clear things like that. Yeah, a hundred percent.

Because when I'm looking at biogeometry signatures, I dived into

people's mental emotional state. And to say, what is their dominant thought?

And this is creating could create this problem. And so this

signature is going to help balance. What also comes to mind

is like Louise Hay's work, you know, you can heal your life, her

book, and she talks about how we have this auric field,

and when we have negative thoughts, you're actually burrowing a hole

through your energetic field, which allows things to enter into your

body. And that's why if a doctor's working with all these patients, they

don't get sick because they don't have those negative thoughts. So their auric field

is impenetrable. But as soon as we start having stinking

thinking of any description, certain folds will show up in your field and that's

where that energy leaks in. And what you said about

the. Everything has its own vibration. It's true. I used to in my

office carry this machine called a bio meridian machine. I don't use

it anymore, but I did for years. And basically you could detect what's

in a person's body energetically through the meridian points on their fingers and toes.

And so I'd use a lot for parasites, you know, and say, okay, what's going

on? So it's non invasive, it's electrical impulse and it would go to

like the liver, you know, and you could test and you would send signals and

it would do it. The, it was a line to things. You couldn't see what's

happening on the screen. It was just these boxes and it'd go. And

what happens is when, if it's something your body's been exposed to, it will

react to that energy. But if it's something it's never been exposed to,

there's no impetus to stop it. So there's no reaction. So the

current goes through and no response. Goes through, no response. But when there

is something like a parasite in your body, you'll go and it'll pop up

and say this parasite, this specific parasite is in

a person. And, and that was valuable information because now I'm

like, okay, now I can look up the life cycle of this parasite and learn

about it and know how to get rid of it in a person body. All

of that is tied together and I in emotions and I love that you know

how you've worked in thinking about diseases or mold of funguses and

how they're affecting because yeah, that's more information that needs to be

exposed because people don't put that correlation about why they're getting that.

And yeah, maybe there's stagnation that is creating this

fungus to appear. Obviously in our

modern day world, the amount of technology and social media and

screen time and all the things that we're exposed to now on a daily

basis. My big focus, especially on the show is mental

health. And so, you know, levels of

anxiety, depression, adhd, ocd, all of

these mental illnesses are just skyrocketing.

And so I'm curious how you've seen

biogeometry become a huge

asset in terms of people's mental health, especially

kind of in this world of constant stimulation.

Yes. So Dr. Karim has a whole bunch of

signatures for general stress and in that there's a

four part series that he's created and it's for anxiety

Nervousness, tension in the body, and so depression. And I

find that those are extremely effective for people today. In fact,

I had a psychologist actually hire me because he

was depressed, and he was on three different antidepressants.

And he was like, I've heard about this biogeometry. Can you help me with that?

And I'll. Let's try. And sure enough, he had a couple signatures

that he needed, and he reported back. But in 20 minutes, he felt

significantly better. He was to the point where he was not even working

because he was so depressed that he couldn't get out of bed. And when we

applied the signatures and he was like, I've noticed improvement. And he slowly started

taking himself off the medication because he's the one who put him off the medication.

And he got to the point where he did not need the medication anymore, which

was pretty powerful, you know, And I know, I know the medical companies do not

want to hear that. And if I said that, you know, they probably want to

burn me. But there is a lot of stuff coming out now that says,

hey, maybe, just maybe. Like, I was just on social media

this morning, and this mother was talking about how they wanted to

put her kid on Ritalin, and she found out that

Saffron had some significant effects on a child

and calming effect, helping with clarity of mind and focus.

And she was able to just do Saffron for her child. And he

was. And the teachers were like, wow, he's doing amazing. Which drug did you choose?

And she's like, I didn't choose any drug. And I think that's the message we

need to go to instead of quickly going to the drug. There's a time and

a place for medication, but it's not. Shouldn't be the first step. It's like, let's

try some of these natural things, you know, biogeometry for sure. I mean, that's

just a signature. And once you know which signature, you can draw it on your

skin yourself, and it doesn't cost you any more money. You know, it's like you

have it and it's yours, you know, and so why not?

Wouldn't you try something gentle like that? That's harmonizing the body

versus, yes, this is giving me the desired effects, but I'm getting all these

side effects too. Yeah.

What I love about this is how, you know, mostly people are

focusing just on healing, like the individual, the

individual body, the individual mind. But it seems like this

really emphasizes how the body, mind

and environment are all one that you can't

separate the two, we know you can't separate the body and the mind, but you

also can't separate the body, mind and the environment. You know,

like Gabor Mate talks about it being biopsychosocial,

where social being the environment. I think it's

biopsychosocial, spiritual. So I think there's four there.

And so if people were wanting to just get

started, like just cracking the door open to biogeometry,

what would you recommend for people as just like a

starting point or an entry point? Well, for sure they can start with his books.

Dr. Karim has written three books. His most recent book,

Hidden Reality is a pretty deep dive, so it might be a little overwhelming

at first. But his biosignatures or his future for mankind,

those are his original books. Those would be a good starting point. And if you're

really wanting to dive in, you can do the foundation training. The foundation

training can be done online. So you just have to find a week where they're

doing that and just book out your schedule for just learning about biogeometry.

It will change your life. And I would say those would be a good starting

point for that. Beautiful, beautiful. Thank you for that.

And we'll link all of that in the, in the show notes there,

there is a, a code. It's check 75 for

discounts off the foundation training. Oh perfect. So they can try

using that code to get the discount, but at least some something off that.

Awesome. So we'll have that linked for everyone. I'd love to get into

shamanism. I know this is another one of your big passions

because obviously shamanism's becoming almost like a hot topic

recently. But most people, when they hear about

shamanism, they think about plant medicine and

psychedelics. They think about going to the Amazon drinking ayahuasca.

And obviously plant medicine is a beautiful tool and it's a big

aspect of shamanism. But there's also a whole field

of shamanism outside of psychedelics, which

I know you do a lot of work around. And so I'd love to dive

into more of the non psychedelic

based shamanic practices and. Cause I

think that's very overlooked. Yeah. Kind of in where

shamanism is going right now. So I'd love to dive into that a little bit.

Yeah, so when I did my three year advanced training, there was no

psychedelics in that course there. And so you learn about the

basic shamanism, the foundation of shamanism and

it's shamanism.org if someone's interested in looking into that.

And I actually found so much value in this.

Because one of the first things that ever happened to me when I

was going into this work. So what happened is I was on my,

my life path of learning things in this book with the way of the shaman

just kind of appeared into my life. And I was like, wow, what's this? And

it was by Michael Harner. And so it's like a. It's just like a little

book. And in it it's like actual exercises and

things to do as well. So when I got this book, I didn't just read

it, I actually studied it and I would stop and actually do the

exercise that he required. And on their website they actually have

downloadable drums. So you can hear the right drum beat. So the work is done

with the right drum. And that gets you

into this deep like theta state. And where you can go, it's venture on and

so powerful. And if you get it right, the really good drummer, you can

go really far places. Yeah. If your drummer is not always on point,

it's not very deep because it's like they're. The beat keeps on changing. So if

you can get someone to do a steady beat for you for 30 minutes or

even 15 minutes, it can take you on these wild rides. So I

remember studying this book and getting so excited and then found out that he had

a weekend course called the Way of the Shamay. And it was in San

Francisco and I was a young girl at the time and I'm like, I'm going

to. So here I was like, probably in my 20s and I was like, we're

booking this ticket. I'm going to San Francisco. I'm gonna stay in this hotel. I

take this course. This is what I'm gonna do. And it was one of those

magical, magical weekends where I remember they had a

really good drummer and they said, okay, we're gonna go and to go to

the lower world. So they explained how to go to the lower world and see

a power animal. And so it was a 15 minute only thing.

And you're supposed to just go in, identify an animal there and then come back.

Well, I was just like the fool, like the tarot card, like, oh, I'm just

gonna go with this. But I had been doing meditation for over two, three years

by then. And I was really good at stilling my mind. I think that's the

key to this work. If you don't, if your mind is too buzzy, you're not

going to be able to still and decipher all these messages. And I was just

like, do to Do. And all of a sudden I was like, okay, I'm in

this field. And all of a sudden it was like I got grabbed by my

shoulders by this giant raven and flies me up into this

forest and drops me in this nest. And I could feel my heart

on the ground in that room beating. But I wasn't in that body anymore.

So I was like parting sense my body's vitals there, but I was

literally in this nest and I was having this surreal

experience. Like, I remember the wind blowing through my hair. I could feel the

sensation of something grabbing and pick me up and that feeling of getting off the

ground and kind of scared of the height, you know, and then landing this nest

and going, where the hell am I? And then this raven was feeding me like

a worm and then a mushroom and then an herb. And then this combination

molted me into this raven. And I was just like, so this is like

being on a psychedelic journey without any drugs, right? And it was like.

And I'm like, holy moly. And I'm looking at myself and I'm like, I'm a

freaking raven right now, right? And the raven just looks at me like, come on,

let's go. And so I started flying with this raven, and it would bring me

down into these different sights. It was like, you know, at first, it was like

that I realized there were tribes doing ritual shamanic,

whatever things. And the first one, you know, it was just like,

oh, they were kind of like almost like church. Like, they were sitting and praying

and kneeling and praying and thinking and. And he just. The Raiden looked at me

like, you got that? I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever. So we flew again

and went to another tribe, and their stature started to get shorter and

their teeth got a little more fang like. And the ritual got a little bit

more primal. Like, all of a sudden, I start seeing them sacrificing animals

and stuff. And I was like, but I got it. It was like, okay. We

have kind of candy asked our rituals to the point where they're. They don't mean

anything to people or they don't bring them into the now. They're not centering them.

And so it doesn't mean you have to kill an animal do that, but that's

how they did it back in the day. And it was like, when something is

losing its life, you are fully focused on that. There's nothing else that

you're not thinking about watching TV or your next bill you have to pay. You're,

like, focused. And so what happened when it Kept on flying. I

realized the sun was going. Instead of east to west, it was going west to

east. So it was going back in time, and I was going back. And all

of a sudden, all the way to the time where it was like the Ice

Ages and there was this triang. And here I am, you know, I'm flying and

I'm hiding out in these trees with this raven. But at the last scene, where

are these big black birds in this tree of snow, right? And

the sheep looks up and goes, oh, we've been blessed with some astral

travelers right now. And I'm like, dude, of course he can see us with

big white black birds and a big white tree, you know? And he said, could

you please come down and show us where you've come from? I'm like, oh, okay.

So as I came down, I molted back into my human form,

and I brought my arms out, extended them out like a T,

and I became this projector where everything in my life

just shot out of me. And they were watching video. I remember they were just

like a video. It was like they were just seeing my life. I even saw,

like, 9, 11 come out of me. Like, things that I had been exposed to

that even though I wasn't directly in within my field.

And then I put my hands down, and he said, thank you. And then

he handed me this white stone and said, and when it's your turn, we'll

be there with you. Because I was in his lifetime. And I said, thank you.

And then they had the callback. And so I explained all this to my teacher.

And my teacher's like, oh, well, let's not try to be like Angie. And I

felt almost embarrassed at that point because I realized I had done so much work

to get to that beginner level, that I was already doing some advanced

work. And that's when I realized, this is my calling. I need to do this.

Because not everybody had that experience. They weren't meditating. They didn't study

the book. They showed up for this class and they were like, oh, I think

I see an ear. I think I see a nose. I think I see this

tail. And they weren't getting clear images. And that's where I'm like, oh, my gosh,

I have to do this. And that's what brought me in. So that,

to me, was so profound that it was. If I was on psychedelics, I'd be

like, oh, it's the drugs talking. You know, I was high and I thought I

was a raven. Cool. But when you're stone sober and those things

happen to you. You can't even fathom it. You can't wrap your head around it.

You can't say it was just the drug talking. It's like this is proof of

shamanism and this is the power of shamanism. And that's what got me into

the studying. I'm like, I have to continue this path. I'm a big fan of

the proper use of plant medicine and psychedelics.

But as I've done my own shamanic training, for me

it's always felt essential to be able to access

those states, those dimensions and those realms without

consuming anything. It's almost like if I can't get there without

it, a part of me almost feels like a fraud a little bit.

Almost like I'm still riding a bike with training wheels, but I haven't really

learned how to ride the bike. That'd be good. And so I'm wondering if you

also feel like it's important that if someone wants to

explore the realm of shamanism, that they really go

through non medicine type initiations. This sounds like an

initiation. Yeah, 100%. And that's exactly what the three year advanced training

is. We went through initiation after initiation. Some of the things I'm not allowed to

talk about because they were so profound and they want to wait until you're a

student. But things were, it just, I mean, I was like trying to figure out

how in the world did that just happen? Like, and then you realize, no,

when you call on spirit, spirit comes and if you're willing it

can actually help you, it can heal you, it can move you. It

can. If there's so much power in this dimension. And

yeah, it's mind blowing, you know, and we kind of disregard it

as like, oh, that's this old ancient thing. And those are such

primitive people. And now we have advanced technologies and science. But

wow, there is so much power. And I was grateful

to have a really good teachers and see some. Really? Yeah. Thanks. And

you know, in regards to psychedelics, psychedelics can show

you those areas and sometimes in a way they always like, okay, I

can use that to get to that point. But then learning how to use your

mind to get there and not having to use it. And like you said, that

can be a tool to jump start you into seeing things that you aren't able

to see before. But ultimately the real work is when you're not on those drugs

and when you're doing these things sober and able to access all these

planes. Yeah. I remember hearing once that

Ram Dass's teacher Maharaji would say to Ram Dass, you know,

if you use psychedelics, you can enter the room

with Buddha and Christ, but you can only stay for a few minutes.

Yeah. And that's always been in the back of my mind of,

okay, these are beautiful medicines, but it's only a temporary

stay. Yeah, yeah. And when you learn how to do it with

your mind without anything, you can enter at any time and stay as long as

you want. Yeah, yeah. And that's really the work I do with people.

And I. I work even remotely and I can tap into these areas.

I do a lot of work where I talk to deceased relatives as well.

And I love that kind of work because it's valid, like,

and they know it's valid because they know the relatives and I don't. And when

I start saying things the relatives used to say, then they're like, well, how the

hell would Angie know that? Or they tell me something and I have to go

look at this. And then they do it and they're like, yeah, that was valid.

That's why I love it. And like, I love having work where people can back

it up and they. There's no way Angie would know that. And that's when you

know. Yeah. And life becomes so much more

magical. Yeah. And that's why I teach nature divination

as well. And it's like, nature, plant, animal, they're always talking

to you, and if you listen, it will enhance your life. I tell people

that when you work with nature and animal, you're never alone.

In today's day and age, I feel most people are lonely. They don't feel they're

connected. Get out in the nature and connect your

feet on the ground and start listening to the birds or the messages. They have

the messages in the trees and it's like life becomes so

magical and like, I live my whole life that way. I'm always looking out my

windows thinking, what animals are coming to me to share a message with me because

it's going to enhance my life in some way.

Yeah. I would love for you to

just break down briefly. In shamanism, there's the lower world,

middle world and upper worlds. And in shamanism,

we do various practices to travel to those dimensions.

Would you be open to just sharing a little kind of

summary? Give us a little kind of tour of what the lower

worlds, middle worlds and upper worlds are in shamanism.

Yeah, for sure. So upper world is kind of, you know, the way we, like.

People always say, I'm going to go to heaven. Heaven is kind of like the

upper world, upper world, when I see it, very angelic

realm, angels, saints. For me it feels very sterile and

like that realm of white light and everything.

The lower world is not hell. In fact, I enjoyed the lower

world more. It's more jungle and vegetation, nature,

animals. I'm like, oh, put me in the jungle, man, this is great.

And so people can be reside in the upper world, lower world.

And you don't have to decide when you die. Oh, I'm going to go to

the upper world. And you're stuck there. It's kind of like being born in California,

where I can decide to go to Canada and visit you. It's like you don't.

You're not getting stuck there, you're just this where your destination is at the beginning,

but you can travel. So if you're upper world, sure, go to the lower world.

So that's typically where we go upper and lower. And the middle world

is where we're at now that we are living our life in the middle

world. But what happens is when someone dies unexpectedly,

then they get stuck in the middle world. And that's why you'll see ghosts, because

they're not aware that they actually died. So they're still living their life,

but they're not fully present. So they'll see them in that middle world.

So a lot of psychopomp work that was done in a lot of religions

was to remove your relatives from the middle world and release their

soul so they can go back and go back into their. Well, they wouldn't read

the heaven but to the other worlds. And so that's kind of the three

designations. And so you can work at any of these three levels. And

typically the middle world, when you're talking to people, like if I'm. I

energetically see people, sometimes they're good people, sometimes they're lost

souls because they're just walking earth still. And they don't know what to do

or where to go, why they're even there. And so you can find a lot

of strange beings in that realm. When you go to

places like if someone has that like ability to clairsentience and they feel

things, they might get a lot of chills or you might go to like a

haunted house or a place where something has been bombed, Pearl harbor

or something, and you go to these, travel to these places where a lot of

people had died, you'll usually feel those souls still there.

And I immediately will know when I'm in a place that's haunted. Because I'll be.

Oh, there's souls still here. And you can feel them still lingering around,

doing their thing and sometimes minding their business, sometimes not,

you know, and so that's kind of the distinction between those realms.

Yeah. One thing I notice when their soul is stuck in the

middle world is when you pass by them, there's a big change in

temperature. Yeah.

Yes. Often almost like it gets. It drops. Like it gets cooler.

Yeah. In fact, just recently, we had a cat die a

couple weeks ago. It got killed by a coyote. And this was our. Her,

Ash. And she was this badass cat, and Paul really liked her, and she started

getting really comfortable with Paul's office. And that was kind of funny because Paul's not

really an animal person, but he was adopting Ash to stay in his office.

But at night, she was just. Had this free spirit. She wanted to hunt.

And apparently one night was that she got attacked by a bunch of

coyotes and didn't make it. But because she was such a bad. I don't think

she realized she died. And so. But energetically, I'm

connected to all my animals. So I didn't hear the coyotes that night. But that

morning I woke up, I'm like, where's Ash? Like, I knew. Even though she's not

always in the house, I knew something up. And when I was like, oh, my

son's like, I just saw her. I'm like, no, you didn't. I mean, something's up.

And so I mentioned to Paul, have you seen Ash? She goes, no, but I

did hear coyotes this morning, and they were making that sound like they. They caught

something. I'm like, I think it was Ash. And so the very next morning, I

was walking over to Paul's office, and sometimes we get up early, so we're with

the flashlight, and I saw this apparition, which I'd never seen before. It was like

a light being of a cat through my flashlight. And I

went. But it wasn't a fully figured cat, but it was moving

like a cat. And I'm like, oh, that's Ash. And then when I opened the

door, I could feel it go into the. Into his office space

with me. And so I was in there turning on everything for Paul. And

all of a sudden, I even heard a cat. And I'm like. And it was

so real because. And. But then I do talk to the other side a lot.

So I hear voices. Just like, they're here. And I'm like, that's a cat. And

I'm like, wait a Minute, maybe she's stuck in a closet in here. Maybe she

got stuck in the library. So I went in the library, opened it, opened up

the closets, and there was none. I'm like. And then Paul came in afterwards and

we're talking and he has the ability to see as well. And we are sitting

there and he was having this espresso, I was having my tea and we both

looked down and we looked, we went like this and we both energetically saw this

cat run past us. And so, yeah, so these animals

can also be in the spirit world. Just like you would see a human

if they were in that house before they could be still washing their dishes. And

we'd be like, whoa, we see this person here. Yeah.

Yes. It's interesting that you and I are having this

podcast today because my great Pyrenees passed away about four days

ago. Oh. And she was, she was

actually quite young. She was only four. Oh, no. And she and I

were very close, but even the next day I was able to

really connect with her in the spirit world. And

so I really feel like these, I don't want to say abilities

because they're actually skills that you can develop. A lot of people think

that these are just talents or gifts that some people have, but

others don't. But I truly believe that we can all develop them

because what it, what we're really doing is we're accessing

just almost like another radio station, like another

frequency. And it's not like they're out there and we're

here. It's just like another click of frequency that you're tuning

into, which we can all do it. Almost like we're an antenna

system picking up different kind of radio waves. And

so would you say shamanism is very much building a

bridge between worlds? Yes, definitely. That's

what you're doing. You're strengthening. It's kind of like the analogy I like to give

people is like, if you go to the gym, you're not going to initially pick

up the a hundred pound dumbbells and start slinging those around. You're going to start

with like the 10 pound dumbbells and then graduate to 20s and 30s.

And over time you'll be able to lift some really heavy stuff.

So I said, when people are trying to learn how to do this, start

gently, start with, with little things. Use your intuition more,

connect with that, see if you're getting insights, listen to your hunches, you know,

and that sort of thing. Over time you're going to develop a muscle, you know,

energetic muscle that can allow you to start seeing. Some people do better with

seeing. Some are hearing, some are feeling, and they'll start

developing that. But it's not something that, oh, I wasn't born with that gift. No,

everybody has the ability to do this. They just don't. And so they've never

used it, they never go to the gym, they can't lift a weight. But over

time, and I find that the more you practice, the

more the helping spirits want to hang out with you. Now, if you were on

the other side and you were a helping spirit, would you hang out with someone

who doesn't practice? No, that would be a waste of your time. What

involves, they're like, oh, look at this Angie girl. She's doing all these things every

single week. Let's hang out with her. There's some excitement there. These people are wanting

to get this done and so you're fine that you develop a relationship and

they want to help you because you're helping them and so their energy's working

through you. And I always tell that to people. It's not me doing the work,

it's the helping, the spirits working through me, you know, and as soon as

people get cocky and says it's there doing the healing, that's when they stop you.

You're doing it, go ahead, girl, we'll sit back and let you watch you do

it. And then you're like, I'm not getting results anymore. So you have to. And,

and that's like when I went to school to for my shamanic training at

the end of the three year program, they didn't give me a diploma hanging on

my wall. They said, we're not giving diplomas because it's up to the

community to decide if you're a shaman. So you can call yourself

a shamanic practitioner, meaning I am practicing shamanism,

but only the community can call you a shaman. And that's through

proof. And that title can be gone any day based on

how you're acting. So you have to be humble, you have to be open

to recognizing it's not you, it's something through you. And the minute

you start thinking it's ego and you, then they walk away and go,

you're on your own. Right? So yeah, so that's what I love

about shamanism. It's a relationship, you know, it's like your friend. If you don't call

your friend up all the time, then when you call them, there's nothing to talk

about because you don't know them anymore. But if you Hang out with them, you

get to know them. You can have deep conversations because you've

developed that relationship. Yeah, that's beautiful.

One thing I'd love for you to speak towards, because, you know,

you're the head instructor for

Holistic Lifestyle Coach at the Czech Institute, and so you

teach a lot about the Four Doctors Six Foundation Principles.

And one thing I'd love for you to speak towards is, you know, when

we're talking about these skills of shamanism and

connecting with other realms, higher dimensions, and working with spirits, a

lot of it, from my experience, is the

healthier we become, the more of a clear vessel we

can be for some of this work, and the healthier we

are, it's like the clearer the signal becomes. Yes.

Whereas the body gets unhealthy, more toxic.

It's almost like the windshield of the car becomes dirty

and cloudy and you can't see clearly. So I'd love for

you to speak to really, the importance of Four Doctors

Six Foundation Principles to clear the lens

so you can become that vessel with clear sight.

Yeah, no, that's great, because oftentimes I share with the students. Everybody wants to

do Psychedelic Journey these days. And I'm like, listen, if you are not

cleaning up your diet and getting your body right, your mind is not going to

be able to project the images properly. And the analogy would be like,

back in the day when I grew up, we had bunny ears, like little antennas

on top of our tv, and when you change the channel, you had to change

the ears and you don't get the right signal. So if you

don't have a clear antenna, which is a healthy body, that's

going to scramble it up and you're not going to see a good signal. So

you're thinking you see what you're seeing, but you're not. And those images

get very scary. So oftentimes people have really bad trips because

they're like, oh, there's demons are trying to attack me and stuff. I'm like, you

couldn't see what really was there. So get yourself clean

so that you can actually have a clean screen so you can see what's really

being told to you. So, yeah. So the four doctors, if your

listeners don't know who the four doctors. Dr. Happy getting your mind right.

What makes you happy? Having a dream in life. Dr.

Movement. Moving your body. We're human beings and we have to move our body. We

have a physical form, so it doesn't mean lots of exercise. 20, 30 minutes

a day can probably do it for most, but most People don't even get

that. So moving the body, Dr. Diet, eating right,

the right food for you. And through our training, we tell you what, help you

with questionnaires to figure out what's the right diet for you. Because nowadays it's

like, well, should I eat this way? High protein, low carb, low fat,

vegan, vegetarian, paleo, you know, it goes on and on and on. It's

like, well, what's right for me? So we have questionnaires to say, how do I

feel the best? And without those questionnaires, you can still do it. It just

takes a little longer. But you have to be you know where and just. I

tell people, get a journal and write down what you eat. And then 20 minutes

later, write down how you feel. You will know in 20 minutes if

that food made you feel better or worse. If you're feeling tired, you probably ate

the wrong food. If you've got lots of energy and you feel balanced, that's a

great food. If you're feeling overly zinging, that's the wrong food as well.

It's right in the middle. And so Dr. Diet's important. Then

Dr. Quiet, Dr. Quiet is getting enough rest. So many people

are like, oh, I only have to sleep four or five hours a night. But

that's when we do our healing, our body recovering. So if there's an injury in

the body or you're fighting off an infection or something, you need to heal. Not

only just physical healing, but psychological healing. And if those things

aren't taking care of it, the nighttime, it's like having, like you said, dirty screens.

It's like, what's his name? There's a doctor that

talks about the glial cells in the brain and he says

that glial cells need to be cleaned every night. And if you don't get enough

sleep, they get dirty. And then now you can't think

straight. You're foggy in the mind. And so all we need to do is sleep

and it's free. But yet people are deciding that it's not important because they're not

making money in that time. We talk about the four doctors and then extend into

the six foundation principles which you mentioned, which is thinking,

breathing thorough, getting your. If you're not breathing right, there's several things that are going

on. You might be eating too much sugar, you might be under too much stress.

So figure out why are you breathing too fast? Some people breathe too slow,

not really participating in life. And then we have eating and

drinking. So ideally it's drinking water Clear food. Like I

have herbal tea, I drink, but I also have spring water here next to me.

And I'm always making sure I've got enough hydration. You know, they say our

body's over 70% water and if you're not getting enough water,

your body can't function. They say there's over 600 billion

biochemical reactions going on per second in your body that are

all water dependent. And some people I talk to say, I don't drink

water. What do you drink? Coffee and tea? Soda.

And I always ask them, well, when you wash your clothes, do you put

water in your washing machine? Yeah. You don't put Coke in there? Your

coffee? No, that wouldn't make my clothes clean. I'm like, exactly. When you do

your dishes, do you wash them in soda? No, that make them sticky. Well then

why are you washing your body in soda? I think it's Mark Hyman

says the solution to pollution's dilution. So drinking more water

to dilute the toxins that we're constantly being exposed to.

Food, getting organic, good quality food. Get the best food you can with the

less human intervention. Right. And it's like

we're always trying to splice things, make it bigger, better, tastier,

and let's just get natural foods back in our body. And

then sleep, you know, so movement and sleep, those are those foundation principles. And

if you're not getting those, you're out of balance. And as you said, the, when

you're out of balance, your mind and your body are one. And

so if your body's sick, it's always your mind. And then when you're trying

to see in these dimensions, you're not going to see clearly or you're not going

to feel like you can do it at all, or you can't stay focused enough

to actually get the message. Yeah. You know, obviously in

conventional Western medicine there's a lot of, you know, we say

putting the cart before the horse, prescribing meds before

diet, exercise, sleep. But also in the plant medicine

world, there's a little bit of putting the cart before the horse, of

doing deep medicine journeys before just a 20

minute working in practice or a 20 minute meditation

practice. So I love how you and Paul, even though you teach

shamanism and you teach all of these beautiful skills, you always

set the foundation first and you kind of make sure

the four doctors, almost like four legs of a table are set

first and then everything else is kind of built on top of that, Right?

Yeah. You know, and it's amazing how the mind. It's like

when you go. You start looking at the body, it always comes

to the mind. It's. The mind is bound with, the body heals. It's when we

get our head in the way that creates anxiety, tension,

fear. And it creates the signals to your body that something's wrong and the

body starts to attack itself. Like the other day I was doing a

biogeometry reading on a friend of mine. She's in her 70s, and

she's a meditator, and she meditates every day. And all her organs were

beautifully balanced. And I'm like, wow, you are amazing. And

so there was very little that was out of balance in her body.

It's like most people needed about 20, 30 signatures, and she five. And they were

small things, you know, it was just like nothing doing with the organ. And that

was a tribute to that mind, body connection. And for those

listening, you know, I think that if you really want to dive into these rounds,

start with meditation. Get your mind to quiet. When you quiet your

mind, then you can start to hear again, you can start to feel again, you

can start to sense again. And then that whole world opens up to you. And

it's not easy. I remember when I first started meditating, it was like, oh, I

learned about this meditation thing. All. All these successful people I knew were meditating.

It was hard for me. Cause I think, like, most, like, there's two

switches on or off. It's like I'd go like hell or fall asleep.

And I remember, like, I was in my early 20s, and I'm like, I couldn't

even stay awake in a movie because the minute I sat down and started like,

oh, it must be sleep time. I'm like, if I can't stay awake in a

movie when I'm 20, imagine when I'm like 80, right? So I was like. So

I recognized that this was important. And it took me months before

I could actually sit still for 20 minutes to meditate. But I just stuck with

it. Every day I'm like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this

until my mind and my body stopped fighting it. And I don't know which one

was worse. It was just like, okay, we'll do this. And then it's like,

it's not that I have to. I get to have this timeout in my day.

I get to spend 20 minutes in silence to be

with myself. And when you switch over that thought that I get to.

Instead of, I have to. That's when the magic starts happening. And then next thing

I knew, I could meditate for hours on end. I'm like, where was I? I

was gone for two hours. Whoa. You know, it was powerful.

You might find that your listeners will be fighting it at first and it's just

to stick with it. Yeah, absolutely. One of the

practices that we do in shamanism is soul

retrieval. And in shamanism they talk about

soul loss, where let's say someone experiences a trauma,

some aspect of their psyche, fragments off and gets almost

frozen in time, stuck in that trauma. It doesn't develop patterns past

that point. And so they might be 45

years old, but there's a nine year old fragment that's still stuck in

the past. And so I've seen this

to be a huge cause of a lot of mental illness,

a lot of anxiety, a lot of depression, a lot of adhd.

Because I find what happens is the, the

psyche starts to create a protective system around that

fragment, whether it's hypervigilance

or ADHD or like I said, chronic anxiety.

I'd love for you to share a little bit about your experience

working with soul loss, soul retrieval, and

how that has a huge impact on people's mental health.

Yeah, I do a lot of soul retrievals. That's my other specialties.

And basically any time in a person's life where they

felt like they were going to die could be a reason they have so lost,

like a car accident, some significant event where they thought they were going to lose

their life. The soul kind of spits out of the body and goes, oh, I

don't want to be experience that pain. And then it doesn't die and then that

part still stays out of the body. Times in their life where they

thought they were going to die or wish they were going to die. So times

where you're like, things are so bad, I don't know the end, I can't get

out of the situation. It'd be better just to end my life. That feeling, that

part, part of you dissociates from you.

We also see at times when they didn't feel like they belonged.

So like with family gatherings and stuff, or they feel like an

outsider school events where they just feel like they weren't part of the tribe

that can create soul loss. And also times, I always say,

when they can't stop thinking about it. A time in your life where you keep

on going back to. And you're like, my mind just keeps back to that time

I was 9 or whatever age it was. That's usually Indicating

some soul loss. And so the way I like to explain is

it's like kind of like Groundhog Day. That part of you gets

detached and it's reliving that moment day in and day out.

So maybe you were physically abused as a child, that there's part of that person,

they may be, like you said, 50 years old, they're still getting physically abused by

their father day in, day out. And it's affecting them in the now

because that there's part of them still there. And so what we do is we

energetically go back together. It's kind of like a meditative state I put them in

and we go to that time to talk with that part

of them and bring it back into the now. Super

healing. Because now they can let that part of them rest, that

part of them that was agitated, always on, is now relaxed and they can let

go and say, okay, that was my past. And staying in the path. I am

in the now, I am safe now, I am no longer that.

And I find that I always start, like you said, the foundation

levels. And when that is, there's still something lingering,

something's not quite right. Their vitality isn't a hundred percent yet. What's holding

back. It's usually soul fragments. And we go back,

change that, that can change their world. And I see it instantly,

immediately after a session, they're like, I feel

different, I feel something has changed and that change

continues to last and that it's powerful. I was going to write a book on

all my stories on that because I've seen so many lives change and

it's, it's so interlinked with, like you said, the environment

as well. So our mind, emotions are linked. I always like to share a story

about a client I had in England. And she was

working with me for a couple of years and what happened was over time she

was like, you know, I haven't shared with you. I tell people when they're coaching

people, it's like unpeeling an onion. They come to you with this problem and you

help them solve that problem. And there's an underlying problem, another laying problem. And usually

the deeper ones are the ones who don't want to talk about them. And all

of a sudden they feel safe enough. I'm like, let me share this thing with

you. And so this particular client said, you know, I have this anxiety every day

00'. Clock. And I'm like, what? She was, that's why I work from home,

because I had two o', clock, I have to take a break. I have to

lay down. I can't answer the phone. It just rattles my bones. I've been to

counselors, psychologists, but on medication. And it's always at the time

I'm like, that sounds like either soul loss. But for me that's also

sound like past life. So I also do past life

aggression. And in that particular case, it was past life where she,

her past life was in the military, got shot down. She was an air force

pilot. And so when her plane went down, it was at 2 o'

clock in the afternoon. And we were able to see that event and

recognize it. And actually there was soul locked there too, which is the first time

I'd seen something like that. It's like people always say, have you ever seen this?

And I never say it's not possible because just when I say, oh, that doesn't

happen. It happened. And so this was like a full retrieval and a past

life regression all in one. And it was like, wow. She

fragmented into her past life. And so she was not fully present in this

life and had to retrieve that fragment into this life.

And in industry that her all her pain went away and

her anxiety, she was able to function. She never had a problem again. This has

been years later. And it was just like that. It was just like we had

to bring that fragment back. And another story comes to mind about

a lady who had a miscarriage. And when we went back,

there can be soul loss and it can be linked to another

soul. So a fetus can be still in your field. And she

had bought this tree in her house when she lost the baby, and she planted

in her backyard. And the tree never did good. And the gardener was always saying,

cut down that tree, you know, it's just, it's not doing well. She's like, no,

leave that tree, leave that tree. And he was like, whatever. And so for years

the gardener was like, this tree doesn't isn't doing well. And it was for tribute

to this child. So she's like, no, that tree stays. And after we did the

work, within a week later, the tree starts to flourish.

And the gardener knocks on the door and it's like, hey,

what did you do to this tree? She said, what? And she went out there

and it was full of blossoms for the first time ever in his life. And

she's like, you know, I could have told him of all the stuff we did.

She goes, she's like, oh yeah, I just put some fertilizer in it. She didn't

know what to Say, because it was like, it was so out there, what she

had done to make this tree come back. But it was that connection to that

soul and releasing that soul and the tree with the connection

to that soul. And all of a sudden, this tree was alive and well for

the first time ever. Amazing. Yeah. And those are the

stories that kind of make things almost undeniable. Right. It's like, how

can you explain that? Here's this tree never got better, and now we do this

work, and a week later, it's healing. Beautiful.

One of the questions that I have for you is,

obviously you do a lot of shamanic work, a lot of healing work, and you're

also a mother to two beautiful children.

And one of the things that I've seen with my focus being

a lot around mental health, is a lot of children

and young adults expressing certain

symptoms that are being pathologized as, like, mental

illness, whether it's anxiety or even

sometimes like, schizophrenia and things like that. And a lot of times

they'll come to me and I'll get this intuitive sense

that they actually carry a lot of psychic gifts

and they're actually existing

at a vibrational state on a soul level

that they haven't yet really integrated into their

physiology, into the nervous system. And so

it's almost like the symptoms of mental illness are

actually symptoms of spiritual awakening. And I'm

seeing this more and more in young people. So I'm really

curious, as a shaman and as a mother,

what have you seen? What have you sensed in terms of

some of what we're seeing with younger children or young

adults? That's actually a little bit more of a spiritual crisis

than a mental illness. Yeah. They say in mental hospitals,

most of the patients are actually shamans that don't know it, you know, and

so they don't have a place in society. And they think, oh, they're crazy. Let's

just put them away. But the voices in their hand are actually real, and

the things they're seeing are actually happening at a different frequency.

And so they're like, this must be crazy. But, no, it's fairly

valid. And nowadays, I think we're seeing a lot more children with these gifts because

the world needs them. We need to shift gears. We need to

change our mindset. We need to start looking deeper. And

so we're seeing a lot of them, as, I think they were called Indigo children

for a while. And there's just vibrational children that are showing up, rainbow

children. All these things are coming in. And I think that there isn't really

a place for them, which is kind of a sad thing because if they don't

have someone who's doing the kind of work that could be a very scary

situation for a child where they might actually experience

soul loss. And I have actually seen in my work that

powerful, powerful people often are exposed

to entities or dark forces at a young age because

they want to off center them before they notice how, what their

gifts are. And I'm like, wow, this person was

attacked energetically because of, they knew that this person had

the gift to do such and such. And so I think that they,

I wish there was more guidance for all these children because if they stepped

into their power at a young age, they wouldn't be off roaded, you know, because

these kids go into drugs, into medications, all sorts of things. They might

self medicate because they don't know how to react or fit into society.

And if they realize, hey, you are actually here with a big

mission. You have a, you came here with a lot of knowledge and you

need to ground yourself and learn about what it is, be human so you can

share that. The world would be so different. Yeah.

And so what would your advice, recommendation or

guidance be for parents that have young

children that might be carrying some of these gifts

but either they don't know it or their parents are not aware of it.

What would you advise in terms of how to

raise children that are carrying some of these gifts but also

might be expressing symptoms of anxiety or

things that could potentially be pathologized? Yeah. At

first I would say don't poo poo it. You know, like a lot of times

parents like oh, there's no person there that's you, that's just an imaginary friend. That's

not make believe. Open your heart and say, well tell me

about this little person or what is it that they're saying? And validate

that they're, whatever they're saying or feeling is real and see what they share with

you. If a child feels safe, they'll share more. And you

might find like, oh my gosh, they're talking to my grandmother. You know, it might

be find out that they're actually very valid. But you don't take the time because

you're like I don't have time for this. They're acting crazy. I also feel

like limiting their social media, the screens

that creates way too much better than a child. All children, whether how

gifted they are, they're all affected by social media. My

kids go to a wilder school and we have times where we

Zero media for a whole month. I can see a significant difference in my

child when they're not on a screen, when they go back to seeing

a screen, even if it's just a little bit like they don't watch TV Monday

through Thursday and it's Friday, Saturday and Sunday, only in small amounts.

But I can see a change in them from the weekend. It's like they immediately

can't do simple tasks. They can't think about what shoes to wear. They

can't get themselves dressed. They're agitated. It's overwhelming to do

simple tasks around the house. As soon as we take away the screen.

Wow. They're fully capable of doing all these things. So I think

part of it is too much stimuli. So they're getting stimulated on these different dimensions

and they're getting overstimulated in these screens. And it's just too much

for a small child because they haven't fully come into their body. Like at the

Waldorf School, they talk about it. It takes usually seven years for a child to

a soul to fully get into a human being. And they

do testing to see when they're ready to go into first grade, because if they're

not fully in the body, they stay and play in

kindergarten until they're ready. And often we're like, oh, you're five

years old. Go to first grade right away because you. Let's teach you how to

read and do all this stuff. It's like, what's wrong with letting them play for

a couple more years? So Walter says, wait till they're seven, till

they go to first grade. Why are we rushing life, why are we

rushing them into thinking and doing all these things? So

get them to spend more time in nature. I think that's a key thing, is

get them away from all the buzz, and you'll see that's going to have significant

effects. Take out all the additives, chemicals, preservatives, dyes in the

food. That's going to change your child. And then, you know, seek help.

Find someone who is maybe a holistic lifestyle coach or someone who has these skills

that I do, someone who can help them and maybe connect to

their child and help them understand what they're going through.

Yeah. Beautiful. And so, Angie, thank you so much.

It's such an incredible conversation. And so if people

would like to learn more about your work or they're interested in some

coaching with you, where would you like to direct them? Let's give them my

angieeckinstitute.com address.

I get a lot of emails and so I always tell people, if they email

me and I don't respond within a week, email me again. Because it's

typical. I have over 20,000 emails in my mailbox at

a time. I thought about hiring someone, but people

send me such confidential information, like when we do soul retrieval. They

tell me about their most significant events. It's not something I can trust another

person with. So I'm like, I have to do my emails myself because of

the content that's in there. So email me. If I don't get them, email

me again. You can also reach out to me on social media. I don't check

all the time. I'm not on social media all the time, but I do go

into Facebook, so Messenger or Instagram. I

do check that every once in a while. So those are other ways they can

connect to me. Beautiful. Any

parting messages that you'd like to share? Oh,

my favorite thing to tell people is just being you.

Everybody else you take in.

I love to share. The story I like to give is about if you were

a peach tree grower and you had the most beautiful peaches on the planet

and you grew any just beautiful peaches, inevitably there's

someone who just doesn't like peaches. Don't spend your life trying to

convince them to like peaches when there's so many people who love peaches.

Find your people, find your tribe, be you and

watch the magic happen. Beautiful, Angie, thank you so much for coming on the

show. Welcome. It's great to be here.