In this episode of The Yappy Hour powered by Yappily, host Nathan Dunleavy chats with Danny from Tug-E-Nuff about the vital role of play in dog training. Discover how interactive tug toys can strengthen the bond between you and your dog, boost training success, and improve motivation. Whether you have a playful pup or a more reserved dog, this episode is packed with insights on choosing the right toy and making playtime more rewarding.

Welcome to the Yappy Hour powered by

Yappily, the podcast for dog lovers

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who want to better understand and

bond with their furry companions.

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I'm your host Nathan Dunleavy and

in today's episode I'm joined by

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the fantastic Danny from Tug E-Nuff.

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Danny's company is all about

interactive tug toys that help dog

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guardians play, train, and learn.

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and bond with their dogs.

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We'll be talking about why play

is such an important part of dog

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training, how it helps build stronger

relationships, and how choosing the

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right toy can make all the difference.

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Whether you have a playful pup

or a more reserved dog, this

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episode will give you some great

insights into the power of play.

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So grab a cup of tea, settle

in, and let's get started.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Welcome

back to the Yappy Hour powered by Yappily.

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I'm your host Nathan Dunleavy

and I'm so excited to bring

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you another episode today.

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Even more excited that we've got a

fantastic guest joining me today.

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We have Danny from Tug E-Nuff.

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So I'm really excited to

have a chat with Danny today.

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Danny's brand focuses on auto

interactive tug toys designed to

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enhance play, training, and bonding.

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So, Danny, welcome to the Yappy Hour.

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I'm so excited to have you here.

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How are you doing?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah.

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Thank you for having me.

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I'm really great today.

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Yeah.

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All, all all, all, all good.

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Thank you.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Good.

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You're getting ready

for crafts, aren't you?

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You said earlier, so,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yes.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: definitely.

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I was going to mention that, but I

thought, I don't know whether when

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this is going out, so, so yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No worries.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah, crafts

is definitely been in full

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swing now for since probably

about November planning for us.

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It's a

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: major event.

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And it kind of is really great because

it kicks off our year and kind of

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gets us in a good, good good, good

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

brilliant.

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Yeah, so I'll let you know.

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When it's going up.

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We're hoping to get this out quite

soon because people like to sort

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of binge on podcasts and stuff.

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So hopefully it'll be out and, you

know, in the next few weeks or so.

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So Danny, for those, I don't know how,

who might not be familiar with Tug

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E-Nuff can you share a little bit about

the company's story and what inspired

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you to create these interactive toys?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: So yeah, so talking

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So my mom, Teresa, she is agility mad.

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So she's been competing in agility.

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I don't know, probably

at least 20 years now.

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And she had a dog called Indy a farm

collie back when she first started, who

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wasn't really interested in, in playing.

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And, and as everybody probably knows

when you want to compete in agility,

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you kind of want to get your dogs

really motivated and riled up as I.

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As I like to say so Indy was

like really focused on food.

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So mom made a the food bag.

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So it was one of our very first toys.

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So it was a little food

pouch with a handle on it.

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She made that for herself first of

all, and some of her friends saw it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: didn't last very long.

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and yeah, so we've been going

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Still for small family run.

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Business.

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We've got about,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: that's

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: nine employees

here who or team members, I should

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say who help craft the toys, but

yeah, we've evolved since then really.

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So we don't even make

the food bag anymore.

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So once

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: that started looking

at different Scents and textures that

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we could bring into the type of toys so

things like the sheep fur that we use

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And then looking at all the ways that

we can evolve the toys to make them

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Fit for lots of different purposes.

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But yeah, that's that's

kind of where we started

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: to where we are now.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Definitely.

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That's lovely.

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And I love that it's still sort of

family run and you're all involved

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that that's where that must make

it even more special for you.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah, definitely.

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It's really it's good to I mean being

honest She doesn't she's has a she has a

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lot of leisure time now, but but but he

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: she

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: it.

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He deserves it

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

deserves it.

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She's worked hard so she can take a

bit of a backseat and hand it over

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to you to To sort of run and stuff.

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Oh, brilliant.

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I love, I love the history

and the, I didn't know like

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some of the story behind it.

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So it's always good to know what

inspired the company and how you

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got running, how you got started.

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So your tagline is play, train and bond.

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And that really sort of stands out.

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I love that tagline.

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Can you explain what that means

and why it's so important,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Definitely.

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So I think we've been

championing champion.

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I can't say that word

championing championing.

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We've been interactive play, you

know, for more than 15 years now.

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So last year we just our 15th birthday.

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So we've been doing this

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, congratulations.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: And you know,

it's that kind of interactive

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plays is we champion it.

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jumping it for a good reason.

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I mean, it's, it's, it's definitely

helps kind of build that bond

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between you and your dog.

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Bond it's really great for training.

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So it's a really great positive

reward for, you know, for training.

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So when you're looking at

training, some kind of behaviour,

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so whether that's recall or.

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Or anything really, to be honest, a

game of tug is a really great reward

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and it is kind of that team game.

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So actually you're kind of

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With your dog again.

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And

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: that we do is

all about being fun and you'll

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see that a lot in a lot of the

messaging that we've put out there.

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We try and be as fun

as we possibly can be.

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So that's kind of where that came from.

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Really looking at the, those

key things about why you would

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want to play tug with your dog.

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Consolidated into those three words

and that's what we really live by.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's brilliant.

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I love that.

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This really helps strengthen that

relationship between you and your dog.

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And you know, who doesn't

love playing with their dogs?

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So yeah, I really love that.

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Thank you, Danny.

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So we're going to be moving on to

our next section now, which is the

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importance of play in dog training.

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So many dog guardians, pet parents

think of play as just for fun,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Okay.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

But it's so much more than that.

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Can you explain why why play is

such a valuable training tool?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah, sure.

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Of course.

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And, and I think it's really for

when you think about this, it's

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about about motivation and behind

you know, just like us humans, dogs

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need to be motivated to, to, to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Absolutely,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: that we,

that we want them to do.

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You know, whether that's in, you know,

in dog sports or just in day to day life.

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So I always think about it in that

kind of you know, we, if we, if we, as

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humans feel motivated to do our jobs

or do, you know, even go to the gym or

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something like that, then we're more

likely to actually want to do those things

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse:

reward at the end for us.

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So, you know, I can't really think

of a reward at the end of the

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gym, but you know what I mean?

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

well, you feel good, you look good, maybe.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: supposed to, yeah,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, takes a lot of hard work.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm not a

gym person at all, so.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: No, I've

just started going and it's

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not it's not, it's hard work.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, bless you.

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Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: So looking at the

reward that you're going to give your dog.

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So that game of tug is a really

great way of, of, that bond.

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And you know, it is, it is fun,

definitely, and it should be a

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fun game for the dog, for sure.

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But there's also a lot of,

of behind playing that, that,

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that game of tug, for sure.

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So, you know, it can help, you know,

improve your results, especially in

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dog sports and things like that because

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: dog on side.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Brilliant.

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Love that.

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Thank you so much.

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How does interactive play

help dogs to stay engaged and

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motivated during training?

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Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah, so again, it

always come comes back to that bond.

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It really, really does.

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And actually the stronger bond between

you and your dog, likely you are to

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experience things the eagerness to

learn get that that recall really solid.

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So our chaser toys are really

great for recall training.

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And actually, you know, if you can get if

you can, if you can give your dog a reason

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to come back to you, that's better than

I don't know, chasing another dog in the

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distance or sniffing something in the, in

the hedge, then, you know, that's going

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to really help win and get, get the dogs

engaged and motivated in the game of tug.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

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Brilliant.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: also

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Things are keeping those

and keep mixing up as well.

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So

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse:

always different rewards.

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So, you know, maybe

sometimes actually not.

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Use the game of tug, maybe use some

treats, but then mix it up the next

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time, especially with recall when you're

calling the dog back using that tug of war

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game as a, as a, as, as a, as a reward.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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We want to be keeping it exciting and

for the dog to not get bored and stuff.

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So, brilliant.

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So, do you think that enough pet

parents, guardians incorporate

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play into their training routine

or is it often just overlooked?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: And that's really

what we would advocate because,

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you know, because of those reasons

that we've already discussed, you

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know, the benefits to, to doing it.

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And, and because actually

they can really help.

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Sky skyrocket your your

successes really in training.

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but it's really important.

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It's a game.

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It's a team sport again.

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So again, it helps kind of help you

talk your dog's language, which is which

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is, which is difficult to do sometimes.

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So actually, if you can have that

game, that's really, really great.

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And again, it's always back to bond.

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I think every question is

always going to be back to bond.

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But back to the bond that you have

with your dog and building that

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for using excitement through play.

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So we would always get, we would always

encourage dog owners or guardians

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to get out there and play more.

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And not always the same game,

not always a game of tug.

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There's loads of games that you

can play with, with our toys.

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You know, we've got a whole section on

our website about games that you can play.

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So things like hide and

seek are really great.

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Got a game called Oh, I can't

remember what's called now.

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Recall, recall rally.

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That's it.

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So actually getting your job to

do different behaviours and then

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call you back, call them back and

see how quickly they can do that.

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But yeah, if you search for recall rally,

it's a really great fun game to play.

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Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

brilliant.

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Yeah, definitely have a look at that one.

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Brilliant.

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Thank you so much.

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So we're just moving on to our

next section of strengthening the

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human to dog bond through play.

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So we often hear that play helps

strengthen the bond between guardians,

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but how does structured play improve

that communication and trust?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah.

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So, I mean that the, the trust is

really the foundation really of, of.

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Of getting success with dog with between

you and your dog definitely for sure

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: trust you then Then

then you're not going to get anywhere.

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You're not really going to get those

results that you're looking for so

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actually building playing playing

with them whether that's tug or

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other games Really helps kind of

cement that relationship again.

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So it all goes back to bond and how

you can Again, put your dog's language.

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So playing Playing with structured

games are really important.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: what we always

say with our toys is look at the way

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that you can you can keep the games

really short to keep your dog wanting.

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So they want to keep playing with you.

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It really helps build that, that,

that what we call value in the toy.

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So actually we want to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: into the toy.

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And that's why we always say all of

our products should be used for, with

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super supervised interactive play

only, because if you leave them lying

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around and the dog's got access to it

all the time, it's like anything with.

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with us.

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If, if we can have something all the

time, it's not, it's not a treat.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Well,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: not special.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

it loses its value, doesn't it?

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So there's no point in just

having it lying around.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Definitely.

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So, you know, taking that, that, you

know, having that toy is your special toy.

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And I know it sounds, you know, when

I try and explain this, some people,

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some of my friends, they don't really

understand why, why a dog toy, why,

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why the dog toys, why would the toys

that we sell are so different to any

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toy that you can pick up anywhere else?

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But that's essentially it.

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It's really about building

that value into the game.

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By limiting the access that your dog has

to the toys and then they want to play

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with that toy with you, rather than just

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: kick it up

in the air, or throw it around,

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or tug with another dog with it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: it's

helping to cement that bond.

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And

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: big

on sort of like making sure something's

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deemed high value for the dog and it's

put away when they're not using it and you

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bring it out and then if you're sort of

only using it for sort of those special

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times then the dog knows, ah, great.

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So the really good, exciting things

coming out now and this is where we're

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going to play and I'm going to read dog.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: them up.

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Sets them up, for sure.

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And that's very much really where, when

I think back to the story of the start

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of the business with Mum and Indy That's

really what it, what it was about.

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Indy knew that when that

toy came out, that's it.

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It's game on.

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We're now,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's what you want.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: ring.

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Or, you know, it might be

different things, but if you

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can build those expectations.

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Dogs are really, really

clever at pairing things.

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So actually, you, you know,

if you can pair that when the

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toy comes out, it's game on.

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It's time between me and, and

my, you know, my guardian.

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really, it's really powerful.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's it.

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Brilliant.

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I bet you get loads of these sent in

too, but can you share any success

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stories where play has made a real

difference in a dog guardian relationship?

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Is there one sort of story

that sticks out at all?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Well, I mean,

going back to India again, definitely.

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I mean, that's the biggest success

story really of all of, of all of this.

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I mean, I me and my partner during

lockdown, we rescued a dog called Bob.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, did you?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: yeah, yeah, he,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: lovely.

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Yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: he's, he's,

he's, he's he's very special,

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but I'm sure everybody's

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

this one's very special.

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It's, yeah.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: unsure of the, of the

situation that he, he found himself in.

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So, you know, we don't really know a

lot about, about him and I'm sure before

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we had him But we used play a lot.

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So we used tug, obviously, you

know, we'd be having lots of

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toys lying around that we'd made.

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We used that a lot to to build his

confidence and get him bond, you know,

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to actually get to trust us, you know,

these two new people plus an extra dog.

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So we already had a dog called tiddly.

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So try and get to try and get,

get Bob to trust us and, and.

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And one of the things I do remember

that he'd obviously never been up a

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set of stairs or a flight of stairs

before and he couldn't, he couldn't

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work out what on earth was going on.

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So we used, know, play, you know,

once he got up a step, you have a

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little bit of a play with him, you

know, obviously not halfway up the

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step so he could fall back down again.

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But,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: know, we

used, used play as a really great

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way to build his confidence.

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Now he's he's a, well he's a

rock solid dog to be honest and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh wow.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Very soon

have a toy named after a tug

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and off toy named after him.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Really?

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Called Bob?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: called Bob.

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Yeah, so

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I love that.

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Perfect.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Bob, Bob, the, the,

the new toy launched at Crufts this year.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Well, I'm actually going to Crofts

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for my first time this year, so I will

certainly be looking out for you and Bob.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yes, definitely.

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Bob won't be there.

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Bob the dog won't be there, but Bob the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: no, but

Bob, Bob the tourer, yeah, that's fine.

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He's a little mascot, so

he's representing Bob.

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And I love that you

rescued a dog fair play.

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That's no mean fee and you know

they can take up to six months to

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fully decompress for a rescue job.

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We don't know their history so you

know and obviously like you say that

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play helped build that confidence

and again takes us back to bond so

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help build the bond between you all.

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That's lovely.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: We hear these

stories, we do hear stories all the

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time from customers and every year we

we run our play survey just so that we

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can kind of see, make sure that we're

on track with what we're, what we're

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putting out there into the dog training

world or dog, dog guardianship world,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's, that's

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: survey, almost half of

owners that we that we surveyed said that

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playing with a toy helped them tackle a

training or behaviour issue with the dog.

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So we do know,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: amazing.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah, that it's, that

it is really, really important play.

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Whether that's with a token of toy or

any other toy, you know, I probably

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shouldn't say that, but you know,

it is really, really important.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No, tug E-Nuff, tug E-Nuff.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that's brilliant.

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That's really good to know.

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And yeah, brilliant.

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That's great that you're

getting that feedback.

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If, if there was like some guardians

where their dog wasn't interested,

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would there be any advice to those

guardians to, you know, if their dog

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wasn't interested in play at all?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: play.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes it takes, it takes, it takes

a little bit of work to spark that,

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that play drive, but once you've got it,

it really, you can really harness it.

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to your own to to to what I

was going to say to your own

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benefit, but it's not really.

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It's kind of help that bond again, really.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: of toy is

really, really important as well.

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So it's looking at sometimes

looking at breed traits.

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So finding

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: going to be

more appealing to different breed

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traits, I guess, really, to be

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: things like, so some

of our real fur toys are really great

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for those terrier breeds because actually

they really, you know, what, if you

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think what they've been bred for, you

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: those, those

real animal sense are going

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to really get them wound up

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's it.

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Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: but, you know, not

one old toy, not all, not, not all

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Not every toy is going to be suitable

for every dog, so it's about finding

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it and also mixing it up again.

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So always, you know, using a

different toy, maybe a sheepskin

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on one and then mixing up with

a powerball toy on another game.

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So yeah, definitely.

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So you know, if your dog has a strong

hunting instinct, those chaser toys are

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probably going to be really useful because

you can leap into that chase, that prey

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: That's

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: get

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: it.

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Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: sure.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: know that

it's difficult to choose the

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toy, choose, choose toys.

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So that's why.

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we have on our website, our toy quest

toy quest quiz, so you can answer

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a few questions about your dog and

then we'll narrow down the selection

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for you so that it comes up with,

with three or four choices that you,

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that were going to be more, that

are probably going to be better.

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You're going to know that they're going

to be more suitable for your dog for sure.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, oh, that's perfect.

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Oh, thank you.

449

Thank you for that.

450

So we're going to be coming on

to choosing the right tug toy for

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your dog and I'm going to mention

one of the ones that my dog likes.

452

the minute.

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But so, you know, you've got

lots of different toys that

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you, you know, you do yourself.

455

So you know, nice little plug

going into this part here, but

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there's so many different toys

on the market at the moment.

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What would you say makes

Tug E-Nuff toys unique?

458

Danny Nelis-Rouse: So I think the

thing that really makes us unique

459

and different is the the education

and help that we put into in, into

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the buy, into the decision process.

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So again, going back to that, the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

absolutely.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: definitely that

really helps a lot of our customers

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decide what, what's the best way if.

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You're still not sure.

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You know, we were always here,

so you can always reach out

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and we'll be able to help you.

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But aside from that, we've also

got our power of play course.

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So that's a free course.

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Anybody can sign up for

regardless of whether you've

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Put in.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: that's what I think

really sets us apart is that we, we, we

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try and, and help the help the guardian.

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Do more with the toy than if

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: me offer, you know, off

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Just off the shelf.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: it's really

important to us that we provide all

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that support and advice and help,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: for

lots of different things.

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Yeah,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

really good.

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It's, to me, it sounds like it's

about education and support.

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Like you say, if you just bought

it off a supermarket shelf, you

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wouldn't necessarily get that.

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But with yourselves, you're getting

that extra support and education.

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I love that.

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Thank you.

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How can guardians choose the

right tug toy for their dog's

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personality and play style?

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Would that be where your, your

quest questionnaire comes in?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: would be a yeah, a

really great place to start for sure.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: what that that will

do is it will take into consideration

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the things that you're looking for

looking to achieve and then we'll

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we'll narrow down that selection.

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But the other things to think

about again is the breed trait.

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So, you know, if if you are

looking at what you're trying to

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achieve, so if you're looking to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: And the chase, you

can't really go far on with a chaser

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toy and they're really versatile.

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So they'll always have a big long

handle, like a meter and a bit long

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: behind

you, get your dog to chase you

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rather than something else.

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And I always say to people, it doesn't

mean you have to run up the other end

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of the field while your dog is in the

other, you know, you don't have to sprint,

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but it's just making sweeping movements

with those chaser toys to actually,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: like prey.

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So, you know,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: does go

back to that prey drive.

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And

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: what we're

simulating when we're playing tug.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

absolutely,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: are those natural

behaviours that the dog's going to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: So if you always

think about what you're doing,

525

then it's really easy to them.

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about what you might want to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah

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yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: definitely that toy

crust is a really great place to start.

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And you know, we also, you know,

again, this is just very much

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about tugging off, but you know, if

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's fine.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: if you do

choose the wrong toy for whatever

534

reason, if you contact us within

45 days, we'll replace it.

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No questions asked.

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So,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, really?

538

No, you plug Tug E-Nuff all you want.

539

This is what this episode's about.

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It's about you and Tug E-Nuff, so that's,

you know, just, that's another good

541

Danny Nelis-Rouse: blog,

blog posts on our website.

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So, you know,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

544

Danny Nelis-Rouse: free information

that we put out there you know, whether

545

that's from talking about I think we've

got blogs about man trailing through to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, wow.

547

Danny Nelis-Rouse: I think there's

even some first aid stuff, so it's

548

a lot of, a lot of stuff that isn't

necessarily always about play, but there's

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

550

Danny Nelis-Rouse: on

there that we try and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Good.

552

Danny Nelis-Rouse: guardians with.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's brilliant.

554

No, I mean, this is all about yourself

in terms of plug away and it's great

555

that you've got all these different sort

of options available to dog guardians.

556

So is there any common mistakes

that guardians make when

557

introducing tug toys to their dogs?

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Yeah.

559

Danny Nelis-Rouse: That's

the, yeah, for sure.

560

you know, that's one of the, the

things, golden rules that we say is

561

that it should always be supervised,

interactive, fun play, and because

562

we are mimicking prey with, with the,

563

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

564

Danny Nelis-Rouse: With

the game or with the toys.

565

So if you have that game of tug and you

leave the toy with, with the dog, don't be

566

surprised to come back to a, a a chewed up

toy, but providing you you're using it as

567

For, for that supervised game of of play,

then, then you can reap loads of rewards

568

from actually building that bond and

that relationship with your dog for sure.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: so if you, and we

kind of talked about this just a little

574

on, but it's about that spark, sort

of sparking that play drive is really

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

576

Danny Nelis-Rouse: other thing

is a lot of people will maybe

577

try and force the game onto

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

579

Yeah.

580

Danny Nelis-Rouse: shove the tug toy

in their face, which is, which is,

581

can be a bit intimidating for some

582

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

583

You weren't like it shoved in your face.

584

That's for sure.

585

Danny Nelis-Rouse: So so definitely

going with look, letting the initially

586

letting the dog lead that, that, that,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

588

Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: and it's over.

590

It's, it's, it's about stopping that

game and building that value into the toy

591

before your dog's Got bored of it really

because the again, putting it away after

592

you finish the game builds that value

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: for the dog.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: and then

also really helps you build that

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that that relationship again.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yeah, definitely.

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That's brilliant.

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So I think it's important probably

to mention here as well that you've

601

obviously got your partner program.

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So you partner with a lot of dog trainers,

behaviourists groomers maybe, but dog

603

trainers can partner with yourself.

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And they, they can basically

have your toys to then sell

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on to their clients and stuff.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: So

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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Did you want to?

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: program, which is which

is our affiliate program for dog, dog

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: yeah, you're right.

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Dog

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Behaviourist

groomers lots of different things.

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So if you, if you're a dog professional.

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You can definitely join so it's It's

it's an affiliate program whereby

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you can get your clients a discount

on buying products and Then we

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pay you a commission for referring

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: to us So we've

got about 2 000 dog trainers.

621

So currently in

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Wow.

623

Danny Nelis-Rouse: in the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's a lot.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah, yeah, it is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and and it's that's over a prolonged

period of time that we've that we've

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done that but It's it's really good and

we're just relaunching it So if you join

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now you get the opportunity to upgrade

to a paid membership, but you get free

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toys as, as part of that paid membership.

631

So you'll get 120 pounds worth

of toys sent to you in the post.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: so yeah,

it's a really great thing.

634

And we really like working with

dog trainers because, or dog

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

636

Danny Nelis-Rouse: because they can

really, going back to the educational

637

piece again, that's something that they.

638

that they can do one on

one with clients that we

639

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's right.

640

Danny Nelis-Rouse: do one to many.

641

So, you know, our videos and

all that kind of stuff really

642

help with that on the internet.

643

But actually if you're in a dog

training environment and you know, a

644

client comes to you with a particular

problem and you can go, well, actually.

645

You know, if you use play, play can

be a really great in this situation.

646

Then actually you, you can

refer the client to them.

647

They'll get a discount and then

you'll earn a little bit of

648

commission as well for, referring.

649

So yeah, it's a really, I really

enjoy working with the dog trainers.

650

It's really, it's

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No, it's good.

652

'cause I met you at the PACT

conference last year, and I think

653

I might have upgraded to that

program that you're mentioning.

654

And I've sent, I've sent out my

little code to all my, I don't do a

655

lot of in-person training now, but

I've got a, a dog walking business

656

with quite a lot of clients.

657

I've sent out my code, I've got my

leaflets with my little QR code on.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: you go.

659

That's the one.

660

Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: But

yeah, they're all being given out to them.

662

So but I got the bag of of of toys

and my one, I wanted to mention it.

663

One of my little toy poodles, he loves

the clam, absolutely loves the clam.

664

So, no, we haven't talked about the clam.

665

So Yeah, I don't know if you want

to maybe just touch on, on the clam

666

because I know you said like not to

leave them out and all the others are

667

not left out because I use them for

my own dogs, but they're not left out.

668

But the clam we do sort of leave out and

obviously pop treats in it and stuff.

669

He literally just loves the clam.

670

He could keep them busy for hours.

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Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah, again,

the clown was another toy that was

672

developed really purely for agility.

673

First of all, so it was for when you

needed to reward you don't get a distance

674

and maybe the at the end of a set of of

jumps or, or, or weaves that you could

675

put that one or two treats inside it.

676

So it's like a, I haven't got one here

actually, but I, it's like a, a clam

677

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, mine's downstairs, yeah.

678

Okay.

679

Brilliant.

680

Danny Nelis-Rouse: turned it into, into

a life of its own really, to be honest.

681

So you can play it for lots

of hide and seek games.

682

So put a few treats in it, hide it

in the, you know, behind the sofa

683

or something, get your dog to come

in and sniff it out and find it.

684

A lot of customers actually, although

it definitely was never designed

685

for this, but use it for retrieve.

686

So the dog will bring it back to the

guardian to open up to give the treats

687

rather than get it out themselves.

688

But yeah, it's been a really It's a

really, it's definitely one of our,

689

whenever we go to Crufts it's the best

seller at Crufts, we sell so many of

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, wow.

691

Danny Nelis-Rouse: because it's

so versatile and you can use it

692

for lots of different things,

693

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

694

Danny Nelis-Rouse: yeah it's a

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that's brilliant.

696

Yeah.

697

Danny Nelis-Rouse: that

one out on, on the website.

698

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Definitely.

699

Well, I was so happy to get the

clown because like I say, he

700

loves the, he loves his clown.

701

Brilliant.

702

So how can, well, actually we're

going to be moving on to our

703

next section now, which is around

enrichment beyond the tug games.

704

So tug play is a great form of

enrichment, but what other activities

705

can complement it for, for a

well rounded enrichment retain?

706

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Definitely, so,

actually, thinking about the clan

707

would be really good, so you could

definitely use that tug of war game

708

for one thing, and it's, then maybe use

the clam for rewarding something else,

709

but it is about mixing up and keeping

the dog guessing what's going to happen

710

As we mentioned before, dogs are

really good at pairing things and you

711

know, you want to the more keep them

guessing, especially if you're looking

712

to train different different Different

behaviours and and things like that.

713

So definitely mixing up the play styles

trying a different game with the tug toy.

714

So look at one of those games

that we've got on our website.

715

And, you know, one of the ones that we

just did games that we just finished

716

filming some new games with Chelsea, who

again I haven't mentioned, but Chelsea

717

fronts all our videos and she's a really

really great dog trainer and behaviourist.

718

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I don't know.

719

Danny Nelis-Rouse: So one of

the games that we've just done

720

is actually hide and seek.

721

So actually you go and hide, get

somebody to restrain your dog, you go

722

and hide with the tug toy, your dog find

you, and then you have a game of tug.

723

So it's just about thinking about

different games that are not just play

724

a game of tug, which is great, but you

know it's the same if we do the same

725

things all the time we get bored of them.

726

So

727

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

728

Danny Nelis-Rouse: it, especially

with with them with your dog,

729

it's really really powerful.

730

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, brilliant.

731

Thank you.

732

What does, what role does enrichment

play in helping dogs with behavioural

733

challenges such as anxiety or frustration?

734

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah.

735

So it gives them an outlet

for some of those, some of

736

Of those things

737

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

definitely.

738

Danny Nelis-Rouse: So especially we

say, I say a lot to people that have

739

never heard of the brand before.

740

So if they come up to us at an event

and they've never heard of us before,

741

you know, the things that I always say,

and they'll say, what are these for?

742

You know, I'll say, you know,

training definitely, but also just

743

getting rid of some of that excess,

excess pent up energy for sure.

744

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

745

Danny Nelis-Rouse: so actually

using that game as a great way to,

746

to let the dog let off some steam.

747

Is really,

748

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

749

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Really cool.

750

And important.

751

Yeah, definitely.

752

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

753

Okay.

754

Do you have any go to enrichment

ideas that are easy for

755

guardians to implement at all?

756

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah, so I

would definitely say that one

757

of the games or things that I

do quite a lot is hide the toy.

758

So, again,

759

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

760

Danny Nelis-Rouse: engaged in the game,

so not leaving it out and finding it.

761

And kill it but hide the toy,

get them to find it and bring

762

it to me and have a game of tug.

763

So Tiddly, my, my miniature

poodle cross, he he loves finding

764

the, the, the sheepskin chaser.

765

He'll bring it over and then

we'll have a game of tug of war.

766

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, wow.

767

Danny Nelis-Rouse: mixes it up.

768

It's, it's a different it's a different

different game, different environment,

769

and I'll move it around the house.

770

I'll be in different places

and, and kind of get him to,

771

to, to, to find it and, and.

772

And and then we have a

good game, good game title.

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He's,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

775

Danny Nelis-Rouse: he's 11 now and

he still, still, still loves it.

776

Still loves it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I love

that you've got a poodle cross as well.

778

I've got four toy poodles,

so I'm a bit of a poodle fan.

779

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

781

Thank you so much.

782

We've literally sailed through

all my questions and this

783

episode, so we're going to start.

784

wrapping it up for the sort of

last five to eight minutes or so.

785

Now there's just a couple

of final questions.

786

Danny, what's one thing that

you hope our listeners take away

787

from our conversation today?

788

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah.

789

I think it's just about,

about those three words.

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Play, It's really great train.

791

It's really, you know, keep

training, you know, it's never over.

792

Keep going.

793

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It isn't,

794

Danny Nelis-Rouse: and, and

that bond is really, really

795

important with the way that with

796

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yeah, yeah,

797

Danny Nelis-Rouse: really kind

of helps strengthen that thing.

798

Strengthen the, the, the, the, the

relationship between you and your dog.

799

So

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

801

Danny Nelis-Rouse: play

train bond for sure.

802

But have fun with it really.

803

That's the

804

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

805

Danny Nelis-Rouse: be, there's

a lot of really great things

806

that you can train through play.

807

but it needs to be fun, definitely for you

808

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

809

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Not, not, you know,

810

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

811

Danny Nelis-Rouse: your dog.

812

You need to be fun and

engaged in the game as well.

813

Let's see other things.

814

So,

815

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

816

Danny Nelis-Rouse: because it's a

really fun, cool thing to, to see.

817

Especially

818

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

819

Danny Nelis-Rouse: it's

got Bob and, and, and.

820

Seeing him change through

play and that's really what it

821

was, you know, that's the only

822

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Must be really rewarding as well.

823

Danny Nelis-Rouse: yeah, definitely

that we managed to get him out of

824

his shell and, and, you know, he

had, he, he had some, some difficult

825

behaviours to, to begin with.

826

So actually, you know, it was, it was, it,

it, I look back now with Rose Tintagos,

827

but I think it was very, it was a very

difficult time, you know but using play

828

really helped me help us, adapt or help

him help us to help him adapt to the

829

new situation that he found himself in.

830

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

he's called Bob, by the way.

831

I might have said that already.

832

It's such a cool name for a dog.

833

Danny, if someone is feeling unsure

about incorporating more play

834

into their routine, where would

you say is a good place to start?

835

Danny Nelis-Rouse: So I think a good place

to start would be number one to have a, to

836

enroll in our free power of play course,

because actually it gives you, it's really

837

comprehensive, but it's not, not long.

838

It's not a, it's not a huge investment

of time, but it really helps you

839

understand from the, from the beginning.

840

Why play is important, what, how to

choose that toy for your dog and and right

841

through to then those, as all those things

that you can play with, with, with it.

842

And, and you know, I can't remember

the number, but I, you know, we, we've

843

definitely, there's been, you know,

thousands of thousands of people that have

844

been through that course and, and, and

I've turned into customers at the end.

845

So

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, wow.

847

Danny Nelis-Rouse: place to start.

848

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's brilliant.

849

I think I kind of know the answer

to the next question, but your

850

favourite personal story of how play

has transformed a dog's behaviour.

851

I think we can obviously say about

your own dog, Bob because you said

852

he had some challenging behaviours,

so it's just to be expected.

853

And obviously your mum's dog, sorry,

her name has settled right over my head.

854

What was your

855

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Teresa.

856

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, oh yeah, your mum's dog's

857

name, what was her name again?

858

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Indeed.

859

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Indy, I know, too easy, yeah, so Indy.

860

So I think they're probably

two, you know, probably main

861

stories for you, aren't they?

862

Yeah, how it's all really

863

Danny Nelis-Rouse: you know, I speak to

also one of the things I really enjoy

864

about about the business is speaking to

people and, and, and listening to their

865

stories and hearing how they've play.

866

You know, to, to, to to enrich

their, their, their lives or

867

their relationship with their dog.

868

but yeah, so many, there's so

many to choose from, to be honest.

869

But though, you know, obviously those

personal stories are really, really

870

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

powerful,

871

Danny Nelis-Rouse: memory.

872

Yeah, definitely for sure.

873

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

874

Danny Nelis-Rouse: but yeah, there's

so many so many different stories

875

that I've heard that are really great.

876

Great examples of why

you should give it a go.

877

If you haven't, you should

definitely give it a go.

878

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

879

I mean, what I've taken from it is

that obviously you know, don't leave

880

the toys out because you need them

to remain, you know, they need to

881

remain their value, their high value

and obviously also about tapping into

882

the dog's natural breed, specific

traits and their instincts and stuff.

883

And you've, you know,

you've got toys for that.

884

So I think that's really important,

but you know, who doesn't want

885

to have fun with their dog?

886

Who doesn't want to, who doesn't want

to play, you know, play, having fun.

887

You know, I'm often, I'm big on sort

of saying that training is for life.

888

So it doesn't just stop

when they're a puppy.

889

You know, I've, I've trained older

dogs that are 12, 13, 14 years old,

890

but, you know, training is for life.

891

And, you know, Have, have fun with your

dog, play, have fun, strengthen that bond.

892

You know, it's great.

893

And your toys and your

business help people do that.

894

So I think it's fantastic

what, what you're doing.

895

Danny, could you please tell

our listeners the best way to

896

find out more about Tug E-Nuff?

897

Danny Nelis-Rouse: I think, well,

the best way first of all is to

898

go on to the, to the website.

899

So if you just search tug E-Nuff, on

Google, you'll, I'm sure you'll find us.

900

Definitely for sure.

901

And then we're also on the socials.

902

So

903

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

904

Danny Nelis-Rouse: and Instagram.

905

We are on Tik TOK, but.

906

I'm trying to get involved

in that too much, but but,

907

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Me neither.

908

Yeah.

909

Yeah.

910

Danny Nelis-Rouse: so definitely

online our power of play course, so

911

definitely take that one or, or watch

those videos and these new games

912

that we're, the games videos that

we've, that we've launched, and we'll

913

also be at a lot of shows this year,

914

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

915

Yes.

916

Danny Nelis-Rouse: We are going

to, where else are we going?

917

We're going to Good Wolf.

918

We're going to,

919

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: great.

920

Danny Nelis-Rouse: where else?

921

We're going to the London.

922

So there's a new show

starting the London Pet Show

923

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

924

Danny Nelis-Rouse: there.

925

and then for the dog professionals,

we're also going to a lot of

926

professional events this year.

927

So we'll

928

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, great.

929

Danny Nelis-Rouse: we're actually going

to a few in, in, in the States this year.

930

So, so it'll be at the

clicker Expo in March.

931

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Don't

932

Danny Nelis-Rouse: be at, I forgot.

933

There's another one that

we're going to, but I forgot,

934

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: worry.

935

Danny Nelis-Rouse: so many, we've

got an events page on our website.

936

So if you

937

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I'll put it here.

938

Danny Nelis-Rouse: they're all on

there and we keep them updated.

939

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

940

Danny Nelis-Rouse: and yeah, so,

941

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

And Are you do you have like a shop?

942

I know you're based down

in Devon, aren't you?

943

So can customers come

to the, the venue or?

944

Danny Nelis-Rouse: so are yes, they can.

945

So are we don't have a shop here.

946

so

947

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No, no.

948

Danny Nelis-Rouse: but this is where

we manufacture a lot of the products

949

and we do a lot of logistics from here.

950

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

951

Danny Nelis-Rouse: can

pop in and, and, and buy

952

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, brilliant.

953

Danny Nelis-Rouse: got an option

on the website as well for you

954

to pay and then collect from us.

955

So if you're

956

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, brilliant.

957

Danny Nelis-Rouse: on the

website and then come and

958

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I was wondering.

959

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Yeah,

960

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, brilliant.

961

Danny Nelis-Rouse: this year,

if we're going, if this goes out

962

before crafts, we're also going

963

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

964

Danny Nelis-Rouse: click and

collect option for craft.

965

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Excuse me.

966

Danny Nelis-Rouse: can place their

orders before crafts and then come

967

and pick it up from us at the show.

968

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, that's amazing.

969

So yeah, I did wonder whether people

could come to where you were based.

970

And yeah, that's really great.

971

So I'm going to put you on the

spot now because you may not

972

know about this question, but

973

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Okay.

974

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

The Yappy Hour is invited lots

975

of different experts from the

canine professional field.

976

I actually interviewed Clara from the

Muzzle Movement Recently, and that episode

977

actually goes out live tonight and I said

to her, yeah, I said to her, who should

978

I get on to the, I asked her the same

question, who should I get on the API?

979

And she said yourself.

980

So I was like, ah, a little

reveal for our clients.

981

Danny is coming on soon.

982

So she mentioned, she mentioned

yourself to come on and how

983

you've helped them out loads.

984

And she also mentioned someone

from Perfect Fit as well.

985

But is there anyone in the industry?

986

without putting you on the spot

too much that you think that we

987

should invite on to the yappy hour.

988

Danny Nelis-Rouse: I mean, yeah, I would

have probably have said Clara, but she's

989

got in there, got in there before me.

990

I mean, there's a couple of

people, definitely for sure.

991

So Sarah from My Anxious Dog,

she's really, really passionate

992

about about about reactive dogs.

993

Awesome.

994

Dogs are labeled reactive.

995

she's really, really great.

996

And then also from our kind of

partner network, Nikki Nikki French.

997

She's really

998

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Perfect.

999

Danny Nelis-Rouse: really really,

we do a lot of stuff with her.

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So yeah, definitely.

00:40:28,781 --> 00:40:29,111

It's

00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:29,800

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Ah,

00:40:29,981 --> 00:40:31,161

Danny Nelis-Rouse: of

people there for sure.

00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:32,260

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

brilliant.

00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:33,261

Danny Nelis-Rouse: that I would suggest,

00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,380

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: So, so

00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:36,661

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Ah,

00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:38,080

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

three times now, so she

00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,780

was on my list of contacts.

00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:43,970

So you Andrew Howe and Sarah

have now mentioned Nikki.

00:40:43,970 --> 00:40:47,260

So she's definitely on my list to,

to get on, but we've already had

00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:50,980

an episode come out with Sarah from

My Anxious Dog, so that's great.

00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,730

She's been on, but Nikki keeps

getting mentioned, so I definitely

00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:56,140

need to reach out to her.

00:40:56,580 --> 00:41:01,340

Danny, thank you so much for taking the

time for joining me today on the Yakker.

00:41:02,020 --> 00:41:06,920

I know you're very busy, you're preparing

for crafts and stuff, so it's been great

00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,717

just to hear more about, obviously,

your journey and the business's journey

00:41:11,717 --> 00:41:13,107

and I found it really interesting.

00:41:13,107 --> 00:41:15,277

I know our listeners

are going to take a lot.

00:41:15,557 --> 00:41:16,857

away from this conversation.

00:41:16,857 --> 00:41:21,637

So thanks again, Danny, for joining

me on the Yappy Hour today, powered by

00:41:21,637 --> 00:41:24,517

Yappily, and we'll see you next time.

00:41:25,408 --> 00:41:26,268

Danny Nelis-Rouse: Thank

you so much for having me.

00:41:26,268 --> 00:41:26,938

It's been really great.

00:41:27,977 --> 00:41:28,267

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Thank you.