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Hi, everybody. Welcome to another episode of no Halo

was here. It's our 50th episode. Sure is sure is yeah, sorry.

That was probably really loud. As you can hear, I am releasing

a cold right now. So I'm celebrating that fact that I am

almost pretty much I go off on the road to recovery

on the road to recovery. Yeah.

Yeah. It's all good. So today, we thought we would riff

on, like 5050 Episode 50 episodes,

or we learned what we're where we're at. We're also

launching our very first group program today. So it's a big

day. Big day round here, gents. Releasing a cold. Yep, we're,

we're on episode 50. And you have your serenity beta round

starts this afternoon. Super exciting. Super exciting. So we

don't have a big format plant. Who am I kidding? We never have

a big structure to our episodes. But yeah, today, we really kind

of were like, Let's just, let's just talk about this and do some

reflection and ask kind of maybe do a bit of interview style.

Questions for each of us. If you hear some rattling My dog is in

our office or in my office. So oh, you can hear that. I can

hear a little chains clinking. Okay. So 50 episodes in. We

launched our podcast in April of 2021. Yep. We have consistently

released an episode every week since then. So first of all, I

actually just want to pat myself on the back. Maybe you too, I

don't know. But for me, that's big. Like, I'm not always the

most consistent person. Yeah, we've talked about this. You're

not either. So let ourselves on the back here that like we have

managed to every week. Get an episode out. We haven't missed a

week.

So yeah, like, um, except we did take a purposeful

break over Christmas.

Right? We did. Yeah, that was intentional and

planned. Yep. Yeah.

But we have, you know, did I well, I can't do it this

week, are we we've shown and also celebrating big shout out

for each other.

Yeah, I was just gonna say that. That's, that's

been the key as well, that's been beautiful. And this is not

to say that people who don't, you know, deliver an episode

consistently weekly, there's nothing wrong with that. You do

you? I think for us, it was really that was something we set

out to do. We really wanted to see if we could make this a

consistent practice. And yeah, that's been one of the beauties

of it is we've been able to support each other. So there

have been weeks where we just, it would didn't work to record

together, whether it was holidays, illness, whatever,

summer so we've been able to switch each other off. And

sometimes you've as you heard, if you listen regularly, you

might hear a solo episode from Jen or myself. And that's yeah,

we also don't really batch our episodes. No, we don't wait. In

the beginning, we were ahead by about three or four episodes,

which felt really good. That's kind of fallen off. But we've

actually found our rhythm with

under rhythm is showing up. I think and and doing much

more than three or four in advance I don't think is

practical or doable. It doesn't you know, we're we're week ahead

right now. Yeah.

So doesn't feel like we're very much about what's in

the moment. For us, it feels like it. It flows when we talk

about we may talk about like the context of the information we

want to share is much for me, I know especially as an

experiential person comes out much stronger when I am relating

it to the experiences in my life in my world. And I think we've

just found that flow, right where it just feels like okay,

what's going on right now that we can talk about and bring to

the podcast. So yeah, so that's been an interesting learning

too, because I think, you know, we we kind of dabbled in this.

Do we batch episodes? Do we try and record a whole bunch on one

day and have a recording day, and it's just never really

flowed for us?

Yeah, we went I think well, that I think part of that

is that 50 episodes of learning what works and feels good and

feels right for us, and also being open to try new things.

So, excuse me one sec, you have to take that over because I'm

about to hop on mute myself.

Here's another first what we saying so the learning,

the learning piece has been trial and error. And I think

that's the other thing we haven't, we've both been very

open that this was going to be a trial and error that this was an

experiment. I think, another place where we can recognize

ourselves is that we have taken the pressure off, which,

interestingly, has been a big conversation for both of us in

the last couple of weeks and looking where we are putting

pressure on ourselves to do things, whether that be in

launching, you know, this group program or other things that

we're doing in our collaboration together. And oh, it should look

like this are all the pressures on to do that. And I know,

again, I'm really deconditioning myself from that and looking at

where am I putting all this extra pressure on myself to do

things. And I'd say that we haven't really done that with

the podcast, I've never really felt like we've been under

pressure or really made it like, even with the recording every

week, it didn't feel like oh my God, there's so much pressure to

get another episode recorded. Sure, there were some weeks

where we're like, oh, like, like, what are we gonna talk

about? We got to get that episode out. But it didn't. It

just didn't have that same heaviness. It's felt very

organic, which is

felt we Yeah, I think natural and also, giving

ourselves permission to explore this process, in a different way

has also been really beneficial. So I think we've, in addition to

showing up for each other. I've showed up for the podcast, we've

showed up for you, our audience that our listeners, knowing that

there's, you know, all kinds of, you know, nuggets and fun, and

maybe you look forward to having us in your ears each week, we

don't know. But if you do, please tell us because that

might be kind of nice to hear as well, celebrating 50 episodes.

The other thing I wanted to celebrate was, let's see, we've

had I just pulled up our stats, oh, well, I had my coughing

fits. So

nothing like multitasking blew

up. And one of the things that we've had, we've had

almost 1800 All Time downloads on these numbers may not be

huge. But for our first 50 episodes with, I'm gonna say

minimal marketing, we really haven't talked about it too

much.

No, this is very experimental for us, right? This

is very much an organic. Let's try this and see what happens.

So we didn't set out for any big specific, audacious number goals

or things like that. No. So where are we going with that? So

yeah, we've had 1800,

we've had eight, almost 1800 Altarum downloads. Let's

see, in the last 90 days, that's almost 400 downloads. Yeah, so

that's, that's kind of cool. Because that's basically in the

last three months. Almost, let's see 1800 quick math, that's

almost a fifth, almost a fifth just in the last 90 days. So

that's slightly, that's showing improvement, basically, and

showing growth and showing. So I think what I'm trying to say

here is that it all works. And based on this 5050 episode

celebration piece, I say the takeaway is don't be afraid to

experiment, and to take the pressure off yourself and play

with what works

and what doesn't work and let it you know, I

think it's just as important to look at what doesn't work and

what maybe feels like a quote unquote, failure. And learn like

it's just, it's all information, right? It's just learning. So

it's also interesting, we haven't for a little while, but

I think you know, soon you and I will sit down and look at what

topics you know what episodes are getting the most downloads

and listens and whatnot to, to sort of understand what's

resonating and what's not. But we also, again, we set out and

as projectors, we're very much in this space of we need to put

out what feels good to us. Yeah, in the moment. And I think

that's also something that we have intentionally kind of

decided that we're going to do like if it doesn't feel good,

we're not forcing it.

Yeah. We're gonna be following we're not really trend

followers.

No, no, that's why our Instagram is spotty and our

social we're actually in this right now in this in discussions

around like what, what are our marketing tactics or avenues? I

don't even like the word tactics, and I'm a marketer, but

But what are what are the avenues that feel good for us? I

mean, this Morning Jen and I, we kind of set up big blocks of

time to co work and record our podcast and do whatever needs to

come up. So before hopping on recording this, we were having a

conversation about, about some of the marketing. And you know,

I asked Jen like, well, what, what are the things that we do

that actually feel good while we're doing them? I think that's

something that I'm really curious to dive into more and

explore. And the podcast was one right, that was one of our top

things were like, You know what? I really like recording the

podcast. It's fun. It brings, it brings me joy.

I like writing love letters.

Yeah. Yeah, that's going that's working really

well. And we've been tying the love letters on the podcast a

little closer together. Lately, which has felt really good. So,

you know, just really throwing up the rulebook is what we're

doing.

Yeah. I think these times call for stuff like that,

though. Yeah, there's, I mean, projectors are also guides.

Yeah. So we are meant to be throwing out the rulebook in

many ways and fighting. We are the we're at that leading edge

of new ways of interacting and new ways of bringing, sharing

and showing wisdom with, with and to the world. So as we

explore our projectionist for ourselves, we also share that

those aspects with our audience and hope that, you know,

whenever you pick up great, whatever isn't for you right

now. Also great. Yeah, matter. Yeah. Yeah, no, thanks. No

difference. Take what you want from and

just knowing and that trusting that the right

information will hit the right people at the right time. Yeah,

what we share, right, like, and I'm curious. Okay, so one of the

questions I wanted to ask you, and you can put this back at me,

but is there anything after 50? episodes, what would reflecting

back? What would you do differently? If anything?

I think I don't know. It's kind of I think regret is

too strong a word for something like this. Like, there's nothing

I regret, no, yeah, that's folded everything. I think that

trust in that everything unfolded the way it needed to in

that process. I'm really happy that we launched with amplify

you, for example, I think that was such a beautiful choice.

That worked for us. And if you are thinking of launching a

podcast, then definitely talk to Michelle and her team, because

we were so supported all along the way. And we have been

continued to be supported

by salutely. That's been Yeah, I'm so glad we made

that decision in the early days to hire an editor. And we

actually hired AMPLIFi, you and Michelle's team as sort of a

podcast coach, so they actually helped us do all of the

beginning stuff when you're launching a podcast. As we

quickly found out there's a lot more to it than just hopping on

Zoom and recording. Right. There's there's all these other

elements to get set up to get your podcasts actually up and

out there and syndicated? Is that word? Yeah.

I think so. And all that distribution channels.

Yeah,

that's what I mean. I feel like syndicated is more

of like a radio word anyways. But so we hired them to help us

get it out to the world, then we actually because, again, we

wanted this to be a very organic process. And we wanted to learn

through it. We actually took the editing in house very briefly.

And Jen, you took on the actual putting like sound side of it

and putting it all together, because you have that skill set.

Yeah, we quickly learned that that was not the best, most

effective use of our time. So that's another lesson. And maybe

a little nugget here is just because you can do something

doesn't mean you should do it.

I think that's a good, that's a better way of

describing it. Because again, I don't know if I would have done

anything differently, because I kind of wanted to know how much

time it would take to an energy it would take to process our

podcast. I think, you know, when you have double audio tracks,

it's slightly different. It's not actually that much more

time, it's just a bit a bit more, slightly more complex. But

what we discovered was that the distribution platforms, and the

level of service provided by the by, you know, an editor and

having the editor was far more value than actual the actual

time of editing because it's not just the editing, it's the

distribution is the following up. It's the creation of the

graphics and all those in now you take on the graphics, but

it's also I don't know There's just,

yeah, there's been you think of right. So that's

been, yeah, that's been worked really well for us.

So love that. You know, like you've mentioned before, I

love that word for starting for serenity today, the same day we

record our 50th episode, I think that's just a beautiful Hallmark

type of type of environment. And maybe you can hear the this

celebration and excitement in definitely in my voice, but

probably in both of our voices. Because it's I think it's just

been an interesting journey these last couple years. A first

of all, the meditation process together when that pandemic

first broke out, and then launching the Podcast, the

podcast, which has now led to our group program, and it's

like, it's roughly around springs. So this is maybe

something to note for us.

Right, interesting. So this is the 50s. And this is

March 3 today that we're recording this, it's gonna come

out on March 15. But we launched it in April. So we're actually

coming up on our one year anniversary of actually

launching the podcast, actually,

I'm pretty sure that we started that meditation process

on March 15. March 13, or 15th it was that because COVID hit in

March 2020. We had March of that. So I love finding these

little patterns. Uh huh. Like,

I just find that really interesting. You're

right, essentially saying these things, right. I know, totally

nerding out on this pattern and everything. Some people be like,

Yeah, okay. It's just coincidence. Oh, no, I'm gonna

go with like, no, they sent me do that. It's

a fun. We liked it. We like to see patterns. Yeah.

Yeah, that's an interesting observation. So

yeah, so coming up on a year since we've launched it. Fear

serenity launches. Today, we're going to be running the waitlist

for the next round. If your serenity is going to open very

soon as well. We're going to just start to run cohorts at

this. Yeah. Which also feels really good and fun. But, and I

think what you were saying was how Yeah, one thing led to the

other led to the other led to the other, our 321. Countdown?

Yep. Came in there where we can where we're working two to one.

Yes, with clients. And it's all just kind of organically grown.

I would have trying these different things and out of I

think the the podcast has allowed us to continue to

explore topics that we were already sort of exploring

offline together. But it's allowed us to bring them to a

different platform. And it's also allowed us to it's, or it's

encouraged us to carve out I think more time in our actual

work days, like if I look at the way this evolved, right? It was

all of a sudden, were like, Okay, we need to actually set

some time to record. Okay, we actually then also need to set

aside some time to discuss what we're going to record and then

creating. So we've just been creating more and more time in

our schedules to be like, Okay, we need to get together on Zoom

and talk about this or that. And that's how these programs came.

Yes. Right. It was the conversations were not just

Okay, let's it felt like it felt too limiting almost to be like,

Okay, well, let's just talk about this on the podcast. And

okay, let's record our podcast, there was just this bigger

energy, where it's like, oh, my gosh, we need to go ahead. No

finish. Go ahead. I

was gonna say like, we need to keep building on the

momentum of that moment. Yeah. I'm gonna mail delivery. It's

the momentum in the moment, I think is one of those things to

follow. And not shutting down that energy. And I think that's

probably been an really interesting way to call it a

lesson. But I really interesting learning from the last year is

we've talked about following the energy before. So as we follow

the energy, that means following the momentum and not shutting it

down. And also, honoring those slow periods, and not trying to

force it. And being aware of when that slow period is, is you

self sabotaging. Or, it's like it's this finely nuanced place

of, of momentum, forward momentum. And also observational

awareness in the moment.

And integration, maybe it's the word that's

coming to maybe, yeah, like, you know, you get the forward

momentum, and then things slow down. And I think we get kind of

uncomfortable or dissatisfied. But really, what if that is

actually just the time to integrate what you've just grown

into. And we have to honor that space in the fact the more we

can sit with that and be with that allow the integration to

happen, the faster the next burst of momentum comes? Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, that's a nice pattern. So maybe, I think for

our listeners, if you don't necessarily pick attention to

your energy levels. This would be I think, a big takeaway for

both Jada and i is, as we communicate to you, our

listeners, pay attention to your energy levels, you really do and

work with them. Because you'll actually get more out of it.

You'll have deeper restful integration periods, and you

will have more effective momentum and energetic periods.

Mm hmm. That's them. I

have a thought and it's not coming out. So. Okay, I

was like, I know, I like the gents looking at me. Like you're

gonna say something. I'm like, Yeah, I am. It's not for me so

fully for like what you shared? Yeah, I mean, I think I don't

know if I have much more to say on that. You summed it up

nicely. Thank you. So. Okay. 50. So Dan, where do we want to go

from here?

Oh, good question. Where do you want to go from

here? Well, we have talked about are we going to say it in

public? I think we shouldn't say in public? should or shouldn't

healthy female relationships. Oh, this direction? Yeah. So

this came out of a podcast conversation we had a couple

weeks ago with Melissa and Catherine from the Yoni codes.

And you'll hear they're actually their guest episode was last

week, both of Yeah, both of us both

both of our episodes are would have been released on

March 8, International Women's Day. So yeah, it's a we it'll be

last week from when you guys hear this.

And so then Jane and I were reflecting on some of the

questions that they'd asked us, and we started looking at, well,

what what makes a healthy female relationship, whether it's in

business, or friendship, or otherwise? And how do we, how do

we not let the wounding or the inherited or the traumas or

whatever, get in the way of what is it like a fantastic

collaborative relationship?

Yeah, those were really good conversations. And

they was, we didn't It's funny, we, when we were a guest on

their, their podcast, we were going to talk about something

totally different, not just you and I, like the four of us had

kind of talked about, like loosely what we were going to go

on and be guests on. And they we hopped on and they're like so we

have a thought we have an idea, we'd really like to like Are you

are you open to kind of changing it up. And we really want to

talk about this, we want to understand more about how you

guys operate being asked Jen and I, in what we're doing together,

and we were game. And it turned into this really juicy

conversation and actually helped Jen and I unpack a little bit

more and reflect on our friendship and our collaboration

together over the last year in a bit. And so that seems to have

opened up something for us where we're really like, quite

fascinated by this. And also noticing that their seat like

how many I'm calling them like Duo's, with female Duo's, we're

seeing in business because yes, and it's Yeah, because it is

it's two women coming together, whether it's partnership, like

full on going into business together, or doing kind of more

what Jen and I are doing, where we're collaborating, we're

building this organic, sort of business, but we still each have

our own businesses and practices. And there's just

something that's really intrigued us around that and

how, how we how we operate in those realms. And so that's kind

of been what we started unpacking. And I think what

we're gonna

do is we're gonna be talking more about this, I

think, in the next definitely in the next 50 episodes,

definitely. Yeah. And it's also, you know, we're gonna have more

guests around that, I think it's important to have these

conversations because as we move through these times of

unplugging from who we all were as humans like and where we're

all headed. Again, this is the protector guiding moment, but

it's kind of letting it's it's not as simple as letting bygones

be bygones as the expression goes, but it's not letting your

wounding getting the weight get in the way of a potentially

amazing and world changing collaborative partnership,

whether it's two people, three people or four people. So yes,

this is doing your own work. And yes, this is working together.

And I think that Jane and I have we live we walk our talk, we

live, we live

and that's what we want to unpack because and

that's what Melissa and Catherine really dug into is

like, how does this look for you guys? What do you do? And that

was the reflections where we really had to sit back and we're

like, Yeah, we really do walk the walk and we really do our

own healing work. And we I mean, we just had we just had a

situation yesterday minor. Yeah, but we're in a conversation Jen

drops something on me that I wasn't really expecting. And

fair, I

did not do it very gracefully. So as I fully take

responsibility for but yeah, it was,

but then I had a strong reaction. So and it's

it's a small deal. But it's also a small deal because right away

like within an hour or two from that happening, I sent Jen a

message and just was like, Hey, I just want to clear the air

here. I know, I had like, really strong energy around that. And

my reaction was really strong. Like, I just need to like, let

you know and process kind of what was coming in and defuse

it. Yeah. And you know, same thing it was, that's when she

wrote back and she's like, totally, I felt it too. And

yeah, like, I recognize I kind of dropped a bomb on you. And

could have, you know, shared it in a different way. And it's

like, awesome, great, we can move on. But in a lot of

scenarios, and I've had it in the past too, like where I

wouldn't have even spoken up. And it's not that I would have

necessarily harbored that as like resentment, it would have

turned in something bigger. But it also is those little like

death by 1000 cuts, right? When we if we don't clear those

things quickly. And in the moment, it they can very easily

start to become bigger, because then there's another one and

another one and you're holding on to them.

So subconsciously or otherwise, yeah, might your mind

might say, Oh, I've let that go. But then actually inside, that's

why like, we both like, I'm so grateful. You thought you've

asked me before I was gonna box you I'd be like, I totally did

not say that gracefully, or in any clear way at all. It was

like, yeah, it was just like it was my clouded sick mind going.

Like, it really wasn't a big deal. But this is

where again, like just being able to like be like, oh, yeah,

this felt kind of awkward. Yeah, so you're in the air clearing,

but it takes it takes doing your own work to do that. It takes

really being like, they're not easy conversations to have,

whether it's in your own, like intimate relationship or in

friendships, or in business relationships, exactly right.

And it also takes trust for you like, like, I trust you, I knew

that you would be able to hear that. And that you would be able

to, like, we could just have that conversation and clear the

air. That's another important piece, right? The person that

you're sharing with elegant,

I think that's probably another 50 like 50 things to

celebrate is like the as this goes on the level of I'm gonna

say respect and integrity and our collaborative friendship and

partnership, whatever you want to call, it doesn't really

matter. Yeah.

And we don't know what we are. But it doesn't

really matter. I'm like, do collaboration.

I don't know. It's just whatever, it isn't matter. It is

what it is. It's just a beautiful friendship. And it's

so it's deeper than a beautiful friendship. But I think as we

move into these moments, it allows another level of depth of

integrity to to be within each of us. Yeah. And we know that

strengthens what each of us brings to the world, both

together and separately.

Yeah. And also, the I think the last one that maybe

I would share, that is how we are starting to find our own

roles within what we do. Yeah. And that's been really cool.

Right? Like, and finding this, this rhythm of like, okay, well,

do we both show up? Like even you know, we're like, in the

beginning days of the podcast, it's like, okay, we're doing

this together. And I think we even again, it wasn't even a big

Convo, but I think there was sort of this like, hey, well,

I'm happy to take this as a solo episode, if you're not

available. Are you good with that? Right? Because it's like,

so is this a podcast? Where we're the co host? And we always

show up together? Are we good? With like, yeah, you know, we

had to have those discussions. And then and finding those

roles, like you've taken on writing our love letters. And in

that rhythm, every week, I do our graphics, I do some of the

more like, behind the scenes stuff. And so the

design work, so which is not really behind the scenes,

that's the public

part. And that part isn't but some of the

discussions or the strategizing and the, you know, that stuff.

And so yeah, it's been kind of cool to find our way in that and

to find, and I think also, helping each of us think more

deeply into like the value that we bring to the the relationship

or the partnership without having to feel like Oh, is she

doing more than me, or is she this or is it okay, if I show up

like this

never even occurred to me like, again, I've had those

really open conversations around, like if I do more

videos, for example, which we probably will do in the future.

Like, we'll probably do some together. And I'll probably do

more on my own simply because I'm like, it's a really easy

format for me to communicate. And so, you know, Jane, you've

had that conversation both with me and in your own head is like,

Oh, am I, as equally valuable? If I'm not? Yes. Equally

visible? Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting conversation.

Whereas in business for yourself, like, or you are doing

a collaborative partnership, the division of how you think about

the labor and your perception of it. Yeah. Is Yeah,

it's really important, right? Because, and

that's been a big learning because exactly that like if one

person is more visible, do we need to be equally visible, like

all of these things. And really, what I love about the way we're

navigating, it is like, what feels good. And I really want

to, I really love some of the like, the bigger the strategy

and the getting, like some of these pieces together. And Jen's

like, awesome. Take that. Like,

I don't just tell him what I have to write. Yeah.

Right, tell me what I have to write or where I have

to show up. And because you're, we know that your zone of

genius. And one of the big things that you want to do is

build community and show up and teach and, and these kinds of

things. And so I'm and for me, I'm like amazing, do that, like,

that's where you shine. So really starting to learn. And

this has been a learning, I think, for us through this of

what are each of our zones of genius, and how do we support

each other in those areas and continue to lift each other

more, and make sure that we're not in this space of oh, if

one's doing something and the other one has to do it so that

we're equal. But that

see that because we've done the work on evac solves and

with ourselves and with each other. Yeah. So anyway. Yeah, I

think this feels like a good place to wrap it up.

So right place,

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Yes, we did it. Who? Super excited to see where to

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