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Laura and Xhafer pick through the ashes of Earth for a laugh. Laura confesses she's got two wolves inside her, and one is deeply pedantic. Xhafer rage-quits the episode so hard he scares the dog. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 11: Sometimes a Great Notion.
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well now that was depressing:
Hey, listener.
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:We're starting off with a little content
warning for suicide in this episode.
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:If you've watched the show before,
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:if you have and this is gonna be
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:That's cool.
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:Um, know that you are loved.
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:Know that there's help for
you out there if you need it.
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:Uh, you can call 988 in the United States
and many other countries if you need
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:to talk to someone, which you should do
if you're having thoughts like these.
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:The world is a brighter place because of
you, and it should stay a brighter place
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:RSVPD: Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?
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:We're a reasonably well done sci-fi
watch cast by a couple of former
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:strangers who are now friends and
watching:
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:I'm Laura
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:well now that was depressing:
And I'm Jafeir
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:RSVPD: And Jafer, it's been a
minute since we did this show
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:well now that was depressing: Yes.
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:Yeah, the last episode
we recorded was:
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh
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:well now that was depressing:
before that it had been over
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:RSVPD: A month, yeah
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:well now that was depressing: Um,
so we haven't watched an episode of
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:"Battlestar Galactica" proper in a while.
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:This one's a
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:doozy.
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:well now that was depressing:
We've got season four, episode
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:11, Sometimes a Great Notion
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:and man uh, as soon as the last time on
started with a bunch of stuff with Dee,
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:well now that was depressing: my
sense of dread hit hard 'cause,
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:RSVPD: oh yeah
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:well now that was depressing: I mean,
I've, I've alluded to the three most
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:depressing episodes of the season.
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:This is one for me.
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:This is it.
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:This to me is more
depressing than the last one
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:well now that was depressing: for sure.
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:I had forgotten how much happens
in this fucking episode because
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:all that I remember about this
episode going into it is this is
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:the one where Dee kills herself.
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:Mm-hmm
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:well now that was depressing: And like,
when I see the last time on that's
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:like Dee and Li- Lily just, like,
being a happy couple, I'm immediately
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:just like my stomach just sank.
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing:
"Oh, God, we're there."
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:I'm glad we took our
break before this episode.
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:I think I would be more
depressed if I had taken it here.
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:and
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
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:We almost did this and then took
the break and then did the movie
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:and then did the webisodes.
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm
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:well now that was depressing: Because
that's the filming order because this was
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:filmed before the show went on break and
then shelved until the show came back.
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:RSVPD: Right
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:well now that was depressing:
but I'm glad we, I am glad we
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:bro- took the break when we did
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:To me, this would've been a, a definitely
a worse note to leave on a break.
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:Like, I, I do understand if
somebody feels like the arrival
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:at Earth is number one depressing,
I understand your point of view.
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:I can, I can empathize with that.
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:I feel like this is more
depressing because to me,
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:the, the Earth thing is just a
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:It's nobody's fault.
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:It's none of our characters' fault, right?
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:Like, nobody actively did it that
we know about at this point, but-
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:well now that was depressing: I would
argue that the characters would agree
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:that the Earth thing is the most
depressing thing that happens because
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:RSVPD: Sure, yeah
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:well now that was depressing:
most depressing thing that
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:happens is the reason this
episode plays out the way it does
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:well now that was depressing:
But as outside observers,
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:their reactions to that thing
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing:
so much harder
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:Yeah, I think it's the reactions.
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:I think it's the, the fact that
there are active decisions happening
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah
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:RSVPD: makes to me this,
this a more depressing thing.
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:Like, oh, like, uh, back to Babylon 5,
our boy Marcus saying that like, "Wouldn't
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:it be terrible if the world was fair?"
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:Basically, I'm paraphrasing obviously,
I'm not saying it as well as he did,
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:but like, because if all the bad things
that happened to us are because we
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:deserved it, like this is just a, a
bad thing that's happening and it,
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:it's not 'cause anyone deserved it.
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:It's just the, the random cruelty of
the universe to me, which yes, it super,
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:super duper sucks, but there's no like
active choice on anybody's part in this,
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:in this universe and these characters
that caused something bad to happen.
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:To me it would've been worse if
we showed up at Earth and somebody
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:decided to nuke it in our fleet.
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:Like
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah
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:RSVPD: like that would be horrifying
and that would be very depressing.
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:But,
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah,
like they roll in and the base star
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:just starts unloading nukes on Earth
as the fleet above is just helpless
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:Or, or worse, like one of our humans
decides to do it in the fleet.
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:Like, so yeah.
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:I, I can get behind this
being the most depressing one.
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:I, I mean, I haven't seen the
rest of it, so it could get worse.
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:It can get worse
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:well now that was depressing: I mean,
like, there's stuff that happens
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:that, like, will punch you in the gut
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing:
nine episodes before this
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:show is done for sure.
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: The,
the show is not done you in the gut.
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:RSVPD: Right
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:well now that was depressing: but I will
say, as far as I remember, all of those
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:punches in the guts aren't, at the very
least, surprises after this episode.
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: you
see the things that are leading
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:to the moment before it happens,
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: which helps
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:We'll, we'll
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:RSVPD: look on your face is good.
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:Yeah, yeah.
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:well now that was depressing:
We'll, we'll, we'll revisit that.
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm
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:well now that was depressing: so uh,
let's get into this episode here.
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:We open on Ty looking out
at the ruins of Earth.
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:We get shots of most of
the cast doing the same.
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:There's lots of just, like, looking
out and looking at ruins and being sad.
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:Rosalyn finds, like,
this little tiny plant
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh
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:well now that was depressing:
it, as Helo and Deena report that
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:their scouts have checked the whole
planet and it is fucked everywhere
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:RSVPD: No life.
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:No, no like sentient life.
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:Do we know if there's even like animals?
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:Have they … There's plants, obviously.
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:Rosalyn grabbed one.
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah
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:RSVPD: But nothing, nothing like us.
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:No 13th tribe to be sure
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
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:Baltar does a little soft math
and he's like, "It's been like
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:2,000 years since this went down."
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:RSVPD: Hmm.
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:We like the number 2,000.
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:Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: D finds
a pocket watch and some children's toys
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:RSVPD: Oh yeah, like some jacks.
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:I didn't catch the pocket
watch, but I caught the jacks
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:well now that was depressing:
the jacks come back later.
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:The pocket
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:I don't think so.
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:I, I do remember the jacks coming back
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:well now that was depressing:
Adama calls it.
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:He's just like, "Let's
just get out of here."
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:And Dee starts to have a
breakdown on the ride back.
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: When they
do get back, there's a big crowd who's
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:all, like, excited to hear the good news
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:RSVPD: Yeah, they're like, "What?
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:Tell us more."
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:And Roslin cannot face them.
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:She cannot
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:well now that was depressing:
She's just like, "Fuuuuck."
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:It is
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:I don't blame her.
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:I mean, I, I understand, especially
throughout this episode, Lee is pushing
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:her to, like, say something to the people.
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:But I also understand that I don't think
I could say something to the people
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:well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm
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:RSVPD: I think as they're leaving,
'cause she's like, "Get me out of
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:here," and they're doing the thing
where they're pushing through the crowd
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:of people who's like, "Rabbi, Rabbi,
Rabbi, Rabbi, tell us something."
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:I think Lee is yelling that she's
gonna make a statement soon, but
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:I don't think we actually see him.
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:We just hear a voice.
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:Um,
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:well now that was depressing:
Down on Earth.
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:RSVPD: For s- for some reason,
Starbuck and Leoben are
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:doing stuff together on Earth
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:well now that was depressing: They're
track- they, they're trying to track
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:down the colonial tracker that she found,
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: they find
it, they find the wreckage of her Viper
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:RSVPD: Yes.
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:Mm-hmm
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:well now that was depressing: Uh,
then we get Dee babysitting here.
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:Dee, Dee babysits Hera for a minute,
she gets to experience the special
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:type of jealousy blissful ignorance
that I think can only happen to the
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:childless watching their friends' kids
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: Like
we all recognize that parents have
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:special moment, like parents will
experience things in their lives
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:that people who don't have kids
don't get to experience, right?
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:RSVPD: Sure.
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:Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: proudness,
introspection, like, you know, s-mo-
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:seeing these moments of self-awareness.
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:But you are constantly
exposed to your children
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: who aren't
constantly exposed to children in general.
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: And that
juxtaposition of the like hard shift
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:from I am eating my reality sandwich
right now, to paraphrase my father,
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: to
like seeing the complete innocent
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:wonder that you have not been exposed
to in so long is like just ugh.
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:Yeah.
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:It's, hurts
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:RSVPD: I really hope that
my microphone picked up my
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:three-year-old screaming twice during
your, your little speech there.
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:Aaron, if that picked up,
you gotta leave it in.
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:well now that was depressing: I heard it.
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:I don't know if it will come
through on the recording though,
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:because all the editing and stuff.
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:Uh, Just the
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:RSVPD: It's too, it's too beautiful.
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:It's too poetic.
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:You gotta leave it.
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:I don't care about the
listener's ears at this one time.
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:I care about your ears all the
other times, listener, I promise.
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:well now that was depressing:
It's, it's…
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:Look, there's been…
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:Like, it's, I mean, I can't- I
don't have children screaming
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:in my background typically.
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:Um, dog though,
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: Puff
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:well now that was depressing:
couple of appearances.
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:RSVPD: She's, she's got
a jingly little collar.
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:Yeah.
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:well now that was depressing: yeah.
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:On Earth find bodies, but also centurions
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:RSVPD: Yes.
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:These look like the old boys, right?
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:well now that was depressing: Kinda,
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:RSVPD: Kinda, but not.
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:well now that was depressing:
Yeah, they're,
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:RSVPD: Okay
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:well now that was depressing:
definitely distinct.
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:They're
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing:
the like '60s Cylon, they're
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:not the normal Centurion.
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:They're kinda somewhere
in between-ish on purpose.
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh
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:well now that was depressing:
they're like, "Look, it, it's
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:same same, but different."
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:They acknowledge these are
like independent Centurions
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:outside of what we know.
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh.
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:well now that was depressing: more
importantly, the whole planet is Cylons.
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:well now that was depressing: The
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:RSVPD: Pretty, pretty good, yeah.
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:well now that was depressing: Cylon bones
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:RSVPD: Yeah, 250 remains they
tell us tested from different
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:locations around the planet.
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:well now that was depressing: So
Laura, you're asking yourself,
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:surely, if this is Earth in the show
they're all Cylons, and we're on
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:Earth right now, does that mean…
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:RSVPD: Yes.
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:I love when my fiction does this
and is like, "Hey, maybe you need
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:to question your own existence."
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
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:Yeah, I love it.
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:I love that the twist like, us.
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh
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:Yes.
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:So I think, I think back on Cobol when we
were talking about the 13th tribe, did,
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah
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:RSVPD: did I say what if the
13th tribe was all Cylons?
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:well now that was depressing: Um,
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:RSVPD: I think I said something of that.
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:Maybe it was just to Erin.
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:well now that was depressing: You've
said a lot of shit, Laura, that has been
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:prophetic for not knowing what's going to
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh
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:well now that was depressing: Um, I,
I believe we've had that conversation.
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:Whether or not we had that conversation
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:RSVPD: Okay
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:well now that was depressing:
this I can verify that you've
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:RSVPD: I've definitely mentioned
this, if, even if it wasn't recorded.
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:But I, I, 'cause I know we had this
conversation 'cause you were like, "Well,
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:but that was, they left thousands of
years ago before they created the Cylons
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:well now that was depressing:
tr- I, I tried really hard to
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:RSVPD: and stuff."
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:Misdirection.
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:well now that was depressing:
You, like, Town
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:Yeah, yeah
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:well now that was depressing: Spoiler Town
knows the times I've outright lied to you.
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:Spoiler Town knows the times I've
tried-- I've caught you catching
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:something and tried to sway you.
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:Town knows the times I've told you
something without saying it explicitly
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:gotten yelled at in Spoiler Town.
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:Um, I, I think, God, I don't wanna, like,
re-watch Battlestar Galactica again right
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:after this, but I wanna be in the room
while you re-listen to this podcast after
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh.
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:I'll just text you every time.
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
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:I'm gonna get a lot of those,
and I've earned all of them.
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:Uh, Feel free to yell at me for
lying as much as is required.
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:No, I…
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:Hmm.
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:But part of me is also, you know,
the pedantic part that every
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:science fiction fan has inside them.
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:Like, there, you know, there
are two wolves and one of
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:them is definitely pedantic.
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:Is like,
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:well now that was depressing: hundo
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:RSVPD: okay, well I guess we
have the Cylons with this.
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:I was like, why can w- why, why
do we know these Cylon remains
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:are Cylon but we couldn't figure
out who was Cylon in the fleet?
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:well now that was depressing: Well,
I think it's important to know that
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:one, the Cylons are the ones who say
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: is a Six
who's all like, "Oh no, we tested a ton.
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:They're all Cylon."
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:And Baltar's all like,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
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:Uh-huh."
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:Like, in his lab coat for
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:RSVPD: Very, very trustable character, Dr.
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:Gaius Baltar
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:well now that was depressing:
trustable Gaius Baltar.
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:RSVPD: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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:Okay.
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:All right.
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:Yeah, Lee is gonna insist some
more that Rosalyn has got to
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:talk to the Quorum about this.
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:Like, you gotta do it.
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:But Adama's like, "Hey, chill out.
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:You go talk to them for now."
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:And Ty's like, "Well, hey,
I need to talk to you."
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:And
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:well now that was depressing:
Yeah, he does not have
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:RSVPD: nobody, nobody's
talking to the right people.
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:Like, all the wrong people are
doing talking to one another.
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: Down
on Earth, Galen finds a nuke shadow.
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: Uh, th-
these are things, this is a phenomena
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:where a nuclear blast will scorch
then where a person was standing,
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:their shadow on the object behind
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: is left.
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:This, this is, this is a, this
is a documented phenomena.
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:He has a moment of
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:RSVPD: W- I'm sorry?
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:What is that?
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:well now that was depressing: Psychometry.
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:Uh, Psychometry other uh, otherwise
known as clairtangency, is a type of
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:psychic phenomena where when you touch
the object, you relive the memory
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:RSVPD: okay.
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:Yes.
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:We're, we're doing quite a bit
of that in this episode actually,
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:but from the Fuck Around Four
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:well now that was depressing: of that.
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:enough where I Googled
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:well now that was depressing: Um,
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:RSVPD: I, I think, I think it's implied
that every one of the fuck around four has
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:this, has this sort of a moment down here.
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:But we
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:well now that was depressing: this,
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:RSVPD: don't actually see Tori's moment.
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:The other three we get the moment
that they have, but Tori's just
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:like, "Oh yeah, I did that too."
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:Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing:
Um, I have a question
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:RSVPD: Okay.
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:well now that was depressing:
because I remember watching this
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:and thinking one thing had happened,
I wanna hear your thoughts on this
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:specifically before we get too deep
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:RSVPD: Okay
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:well now that was depressing: because
when I first saw this, I'm like, "Oh,
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:they're, like, the memories of the place,
not necessarily experiencing their own
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:RSVPD: That was how I
was taking it at first.
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:Like, when Tyrell is having this
moment, I thought he was just
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:finding out what happened on Earth.
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:But he tells us later
that he remembers dying.
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:Himself, Tyrell, he died here
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:well now that was depressing: h- he's also
a Cylon and doesn't have necessarily a
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: Like,
these are, you know, we talk, we, when
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:we look at back at season one, Boomer
had memories of, like, stuff that did not
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:RSVPD: Well, yeah.
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:I wondered if, like, if being here
he could be getting some sort of a
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:transmission from something, and so
he's remembering someone … He's
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:experiencing it as they experienced
it, but he doesn't know that.
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:He thinks he's experi-
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:well now that was depressing:
Inner light style?
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:RSVPD: Yeah, yeah.
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:Especially because of something that
happens at the end of this episode, I
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:really wonder if that's what's happening.
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:But we can talk about
that when we get there.
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:well now that was depressing: That is,
that is the reason why I, I bring it up
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: because it
colors that conversation at the end of
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:well now that was depressing: and
Leoban continue to go through wreckage.
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:Uh,
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: is like,
"Hey you might not like the answers
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:you're gonna find if we keep going.
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:Like, this might not
be good for us to do."
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:And she's all like, "Am I not
gonna like the answers or are
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:you not gonna like the answers?"
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:And he's all like, the answer is both.
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:It can be
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:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
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:Mm-hmm
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:well now that was depressing:
And my-- it's like, I-- it's
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:like, "We'll find out if we keep
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: one,
the other, or both is definitely
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:RSVPD: Yeah, Leoben's just all of a
sudden, Leoben who, like, had this,
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:like, special destiny thing where you
gotta find out answers and you gotta
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:do your thing, all of a sudden he's
like, "Uh, maybe it's fine, really.
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:Like, maybe it's fine.
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:Maybe we don't need answers to anything.
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:Maybe we should just
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:well now that was depressing: I mean,
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:RSVPD: hang out."
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:well now that was depressing: knows what's
gonna happen when he starts realizing
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:that there's more and more wreckage here.
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh
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:well now that was depressing: I think
there's one-- in his mind, the obvious
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:conclusion is the one they happen upon,
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:RSVPD: Uh-huh.
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:well now that was depressing:
which we'll have, get to in a
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:RSVPD: Yeah
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:well now that was depressing: but
before that, Lee looks at empty
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:pilot seats as Dee comes in.
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:He has a hard time how he's
going to tell the quorum the news
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:RSVPD: Yeah.
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:Everyone is doing a lot
of feeling bad here.
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:well now that was depressing: Yeah
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:RSVPD: Lee's like, "I can't believe
all these pilots sacrificed their
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:lives, and we get here and it's this."
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:Dee tells him, you know, "You
just need to tell them the truth.
457
:Like, they need to hear the truth
right now, and they need to hear it
458
:from you because you're Dad's son and
you're starting to take things over."
459
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
460
:RSVPD: and then he's like, "Hey,
do you wanna maybe go get a drink?"
461
:And she's like, "Yeah, sure.
462
:Okay."
463
:well now that was depressing: It's a date.
464
:RSVPD: Yeah.
465
:Girl, no.
466
:Okay.
467
:But
468
:well now that was depressing: After
this we go back down to the planet
469
:where Kara finds her Viper's cockpit and
that double roasted Starbucks inside of
470
:RSVPD: Hmm, that was a pretty good joke,
471
:well now that was depressing:
That's, that is Ben's joke.
472
:1000% we recorded LTO this morning, and
he's all like, "Oh, you're on this one?
473
:Here's the joke."
474
:And I'm all like, "That's, that's
better than the espresso roast
475
:Starbucks joke I had in my notes
because it's their company slogan.
476
:So I'm taking your joke, Ben."
477
:And I wasn't planning on giving
him credit, but since you called
478
:it out as a Good, joke, he
479
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
480
:well now that was depressing:
the res- reward he
481
:RSVPD: good job, Ben.
482
:Yeah.
483
:well now that was depressing:
Good joke, Ben
484
:RSVPD: yeah.
485
:It's got Kira's dog tags.
486
:It seems to be his bucks all right.
487
:Um,
488
:well now that was depressing: wedding
489
:RSVPD: yeah.
490
:And Leoben starts kind of being upset.
491
:I uh, Leoben's hard for me 'cause I
don't always know what's happening
492
:in that crazy, crazy brain of his.
493
:well now that was depressing: Not much.
494
:RSVPD: right?
495
:But he's like, "Man, I was
wrong about Earth," and he's
496
:kind of freaked out about it.
497
:And then Starbuck tells him about the
hybrid saying that she was the harbinger
498
:of death and would destroy them.
499
:well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.
500
:RSVPD: and Leoben,
501
:well now that was depressing:
like, "She said
502
:RSVPD: yeah, I don't know
how Leoben didn't know.
503
:well now that was depressing:
said that, bro?"
504
:RSVPD: I guess, I guess he wasn't
in the room when that was said.
505
:And
506
:well now that was depressing: He must
507
:RSVPD: I could see Starbuck
508
:well now that was depressing: have been
509
:RSVPD: keeping that
one close to the chest.
510
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
511
:RSVPD: starts backing away and
freaks out, and is that the last
512
:we see of him in this episode?
513
:I think it might be.
514
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
515
:RSVPD: so well, she scared Leoben.
516
:Congratulations.
517
:well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.
518
:It finally
519
:RSVPD: Yeah.
520
:But Anders is gonna have his, what
did you call this, psychometry moment?
521
:well now that was depressing:
Psychometry, yeah.
522
:When he finds a guitar neck and
he hears the song as he plays
523
:RSVPD: yeah.
524
:he he starts singing it and
he's like, "Yeah, I know this."
525
:Uh, He finds Tyrell over, still
sitting by the wall thinking about
526
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
527
:RSVPD: having died, and Tory's like,
"Yeah, you played that song for all of us.
528
:I remember it."
529
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
530
:Tyrrell, and Sam T.
531
:Anders have this conversation about
remembering things on Earth, not
532
:the 2,000 years in between then
533
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
534
:And, and Tyrrell's telling
them, "I died here."
535
:And Anders is like, "Well, if
you died, how are we alive?"
536
:And none of us know.
537
:We have no idea
538
:well now that was depressing: After
this we see Rosalyn burning a book
539
:of Pythia not because she thinks
it's bullshit but she realized it was
540
:actually an anti-authoritarian text
this whole time and was satire and not
541
:a guide like "1984", so now it's banned
542
:RSVPD: Yeah.
543
:Um, she's, she's really losing it.
544
:We saw in the LTO the last time
on that, Alosha was talking about
545
:Pythia to her, and she's feeling
a kind of a way about Pythia.
546
:and Adama's trying to convince her
while she's, like, sitting there
547
:with her lighter lighting the pages
on fire, that they've got to do
548
:something for morale which as we
see here in a few minutes yeah, I
549
:think somebody should do something.
550
:Um, but Rosalyn can't, she c- can't even
go to her cancer treatment right now.
551
:She's,
552
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
553
:RSVPD: she's ready to spiral into
the abyss because, um, she says,
554
:"You never should've listened to
me when I said we needed to run.
555
:you should've just stayed and fought."
556
:And I'm sitting here like, okay, I
understand we're all feeling kinds
557
:of ways right now, but we thought
this was our one hope, and it
558
:turns out it's full of radiation.
559
:But the people would've just
been dead a lot faster if
560
:he'd turned around and fought
561
:well now that was depressing: Yes
562
:RSVPD: all those people that
have died on the way here,
563
:they would've just died faster
564
:well now that was depressing:
Probably, yeah.
565
:I mean, it's uh, unlikely that, you
know, like, Pegasus would've been able
566
:to just defeat the Cylons or something.
567
:Like,
568
:RSVPD: Yeah
569
:well now that was depressing:
none of, none of the other
570
:stuff would've gone down.
571
:I don't think that, like, Galactica
could carry out that fight
572
:RSVPD: Yeah
573
:well now that was depressing:
It's, it's good at running.
574
:It's guns for five seconds and
575
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
576
:well now that was depressing:
Prolonged engagements historically
577
:have not gone well for the
578
:RSVPD: Yeah.
579
:So I, I get that everything is pretty
bleak right now, and I don't wanna, like,
580
:step on that for any of our characters,
but I think they should still have some
581
:pride in what they've accomplished.
582
:But they don't.
583
:We're all very sad.
584
:We're all very sad right now.
585
:I get it
586
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
587
:Starbuck gives herse-
herself a Jedi funeral.
588
:Yeah
589
:RSVPD: I was kind of annoyed at that
590
:well now that was depressing: Oh,
burn, gotta burn that evidence
591
:RSVPD: I guess.
592
:I mean
593
:well now that was depressing: This is
100% what I would do in this situation
594
:RSVPD: I don't know what I would
do in this situation, but I mean
595
:well now that was depressing:
It's not like, "Eh."
596
:often do you get to go
to your own funeral?
597
:That doesn't happen for most people.
598
:I'm here for
599
:RSVPD: I wanna know how, and if
you just burn the thing up, you've
600
:destroyed part of your link to how
601
:well now that was depressing: She knows
she's not gonna like any answer she gets
602
:RSVPD: I guess.
603
:Yeah
604
:well now that was depressing:
So what does it fucking
605
:RSVPD: Hmm.
606
:I don't know.
607
:The how matters to me, but
I'm not Starbuck, clearly
608
:well now that was depressing:
And then after this we see
609
:Lady Li laughing in a hallway.
610
:Li's repeating his speech
that he gave for Di and the
611
:audience 'cause we didn't get to
612
:RSVPD: Oh, yes
613
:well now that was depressing:
and she's quoting it back at
614
:him a little bit here and there.
615
:says it was a great date, a lot of
fun, heads into her quarters, and
616
:Gaeta is like, "You're glowing,
smiling, just looks, you know, look…
617
:You look like this
picture of you as a kid."
618
:She's like, "I don't even know
who that person is anymore,"
619
:looks at the photos, then pulls
out her sidearm and kills herself
620
:Yeah.
621
:Um,
622
:RSVPD: I don't know
how to talk about that.
623
:There's no jokes, obviously, Ab.
624
:well now that was depressing: there's
625
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
626
:well now that was depressing: here.
627
:yeah, it's uh, as I said in the content
warning, like, you know, talk to people.
628
:You know, it's like this
is, this is so heavy.
629
:It's like I don't even know
what to f- there's not a
630
:whole lot to say about it, you
631
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
632
:well now that was depressing:
Um, she had a good time.
633
:realized that things were never
going to be better than this
634
:moment decided to call it.
635
:And that's the only way this works out
in my brain meats that's so fucking sad
636
:RSVPD: I wonder what it means
from the show that we don't see
637
:Lee give the rousing speech.
638
:Like Adama we see give a rousing
speech, but Lee is very proud
639
:of his speech, and so is she.
640
:She's like, "Oh, yes, it was good."
641
:but we don't actually
see it as the audience.
642
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
643
:RSVPD: I wonder if that's the show,
like, making a nod to that things
644
:are so dark that we're not even gonna
645
:Like, the speech can't do anything for
anybody, even though it's apparently very
646
:good, so we're not even gonna show it
647
:well now that was depressing: I
mean, I'm sure from a production
648
:standpoint that's part of it.
649
:You've already got the tonal
whiplash of the happy date and
650
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
651
:well now that was depressing: to
try and give you a little bit of
652
:hope in general in the fleet just
to take it away even further in the
653
:following scene might have felt cruel.
654
:RSVPD: Yeah.
655
:I, I feel like it, it's, it's got
some meaning in it, that we've seen
656
:Dad give rousing speeches, and people
have rallied around Dad's thing.
657
:And Lee tries it, and even though
it seems to have gone over well with
658
:the audience, 'cause I, I think it
was just a speech for the Quorum.
659
:I don't know if it was
a speech for everybody.
660
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
661
:Dee clearly heard it, so it must have
662
:RSVPD: Yeah.
663
:well now that was depressing: somewhere
664
:RSVPD: Or she could have been
present as, like, military
665
:personnel i- in this quorum speech.
666
:well now that was depressing: officer,
so she probably hears everything
667
:RSVPD: Yeah.
668
:well now that was depressing:
chatter-wise, any broadcasts like
669
:RSVPD: But it's clearly, like, not
the same impact as a dad speech that
670
:we've had many times where we've pulled
together after Dad addresses everyone.
671
:well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm
672
:RSVPD: Yeah uh, Seelix - is
it Seelix who runs in here?
673
:I think
674
:well now that was depressing:
Selax runs in quickly and
675
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
676
:well now that was depressing:
follows closely
677
:RSVPD: Yeah, Gaeta's, like, screaming for
a medic, and that's what makes it so…
678
:'Cause we know Felix is a medic, or
she's had medic training, and the
679
:fact that Gaeta's still screaming
for one and Felix is, knows there's
680
:nothing to, to do is just really sad.
681
:It makes it really sad
682
:well now that was depressing: Yes.
683
:We cut over to the morgue
where Lee and Bill stand over
684
:Dee's body trying to make sense
685
:RSVPD: It's been 45 minutes
686
:well now that was depressing: Yep.
687
:Adama is drunk.
688
:Uh, You can tell from this.
689
:he offers Lee some, he passes.
690
:Lee leaves and Bill starts
weeping, responsibility for this
691
:and everyone's current status.
692
:He heads out with motivation.
693
:He's got a stride.
694
:He gets a sidearm off of
a Marine in the hallway.
695
:RSVPD: People are
fighting in this hallway.
696
:We have crew members…
697
:well now that was depressing: in shambles
698
:RSVPD: members, like, holding each
other, but there's two that are actively
699
:having a fist fight that Adama just
walks past, doesn't give a fuck.
700
:That is not the dad we know
701
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
702
:He heads to Ty's quarters, opens
up his locker, grabs another
703
:gun and some whiskey, throws it
all on the table, and sits down.
704
:RSVPD: Yeah.
705
:He's got some mean things to say to Ty
706
:well now that was depressing:
He asks if Ty was programmed
707
:specifically to get close to him.
708
:Like, were you programmed with the things
that I find admirable in people to make
709
:sure that I would be susceptible to you,
710
:RSVPD: Yeah.
711
:well now that was depressing:
to want you to be my
712
:RSVPD: Was our friendship
just programmed to you?
713
:and then he goads him with some
Ellen stuff, mean things about Ellen.
714
:well now that was depressing: Yep.
715
:Until Saul pulls a pistol out of
anger, and then Bill points his
716
:pistol at himself instead of Saul
717
:RSVPD: Yeah.
718
:well now that was depressing:
begs him to kill him.
719
:"Just do it.
720
:Do it, you coward.
721
:Fucking kill me.
722
:Please kill me."
723
:Yeah.
724
:RSVPD: Yeah, I there's, there's not a
lot to say about that either, except I
725
:do feel like this is kind of a turning
point for Saul maybe, 'cause I feel
726
:like we have seen a lot of fuck around
from this member of the fuck around
727
:four throughout the whole series.
728
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
729
:RSVPD: And he actually has some good
points when we come back from commercial
730
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
731
:So Ty's like, once it's clear, it's
all like, "That's why you came here.
732
:You didn't come here to talk.
733
:You came here because you wanna
die, and you are too chicken
734
:shit to do it yourself, Bill.
735
:So I'm not gonna do it for you.
736
:You're gonna have to do it yourself."
737
:He puts the pistol down, unloads it.
738
:Unloads it, drops the clip, and
the second Bill puts the other
739
:gun down, he does the same.
740
:He grabs it off the table,
unloads it, pulls the clip.
741
:Just like very like nonchalantly, they
don't address it at all, but it is
742
:1000% the correct thing to do in that
743
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
744
:well now that was depressing:
So points to Saul for that one.
745
:Saul also says the words that
they need to stop drinking.
746
:RSVPD: Yeah
747
:well now that was depressing:
He's like, "I think we've had
748
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm
749
:well now that was depressing:
I'm not drinking anymore."
750
:Like, "Stop trying to pour me whiskey.
751
:This is
752
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
753
:well now that was depressing:
This is clearly too far."
754
:And he-- Bill just grabs some more and
755
:RSVPD: Yeah, he does.
756
:He does
757
:well now that was depressing: In a mirror
of a similar scene we had with the two
758
:of them when Ty was deep in the bottle
759
:RSVPD: Yeah.
760
:Yeah.
761
:I just realized something.
762
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
763
:RSVPD: Is Saul Tigh
gonna become Cylon Dad?
764
:I mean, I guess Cavill is
of a similar age, probably
765
:well now that was depressing:
Um, it depends on what you
766
:consider age for the Cylons.
767
:RSVPD: Sure.
768
:If we're just, like, looking at them and
human age, I would guess that Saltai is
769
:actually much older than Cavil because
of the 2,000 years ago business perhaps.
770
:well now that was depressing:
I'm, I'm nodding and
771
:RSVPD: yeah.
772
:well now that was depressing: here.
773
:RSVPD: it's possible, I would
think, 'cause I don't know.
774
:Here's an- here's the thing we don't know
yet too from this episode is, like, are
775
:any of the other Cylons getting anything?
776
:Like, if it's this transmission thing,
you know, maybe Six gets a transmission
777
:of some memories or something.
778
:But we don't hear from the
significant Sevens that are
779
:here if they're getting anything
780
:well now that was depressing: Yeah, Leoben
doesn't have a moment when he's out with
781
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
782
:well now that was depressing:
We see a Six and a Sharon on
783
:the surface briefly at points.
784
:Uh, We have a moment with
Deanna at the end of the
785
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
786
:well now that was depressing:
We don't see any of that for any
787
:RSVPD: Yeah.
788
:So if we're taking the show at face value
right now, and they were definitely here
789
:and they're remembering real things that
happened to them, then yes, Saltai is dad
790
:'cause he's a- he's been around, his model
at least has been around longer than the
791
:Psilons or the significant seven Psilons.
792
:well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.
793
:RSVPD: but interesting.
794
:He's, he's actually behaving more,
more like dad in this moment,
795
:telling, telling him, telling Adama,
"We, we can't keep doing this.
796
:We can't go in the bottle."
797
:And Adama tells a little story about
going fox hunting with his uncle when
798
:he was a child, and that some of the
foxes would run and some would fight,
799
:well now that was depressing: Some
800
:RSVPD: and then some of them would
just go into the river and float
801
:out to sea and give up, I guess.
802
:I don't know if this is a
real fox behavior or not.
803
:I should Google it 'cause I'm like,
"Where's this story coming from?"
804
:Like, is that a real thing?
805
:well now that was depressing:
it's about, it's about the
806
:reactions, the fight or flight,
807
:RSVPD: Uh-huh.
808
:well now that was depressing:
Um, there is a third
809
:RSVPD: Yeah, freeze.
810
:well now that was depressing:
freeze, that's exactly what it is.
811
:RSVPD: Yeah.
812
:well now that was depressing: So,
this will come up again later.
813
:as Ty reminds Adama, they don't
have the luxury here to freeze,
814
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
815
:well now that was depressing:
That they have a ship to run.
816
:RSVPD: Yep, we can't
817
:well now that was depressing:
And then we see Lee updating
818
:the president's whiteboard.
819
:I don't know if you caught it.
820
:There was not a survivor count.
821
:There was no theme this episode
822
:RSVPD: There was no theme this episode.
823
:You're right
824
:well now that was depressing:
there was no theme this episode.
825
:There was no survivor count this episode,
that Lee can be the one to update
826
:RSVPD: I totally missed
the updating, actually.
827
:I was probably making notes.
828
:Do you wanna tell me what it says?
829
:well now that was depressing: He
drops it down from 39 thou- to 39,650.
830
:We see him just erase one on the board.
831
:RSVPD: Oh, D
832
:well now that was depressing: But this
is actually down 15 since last episode.
833
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
834
:well now that was depressing:
There has not been any combat.
835
:The implication being that all
15 of these people are suicides
836
:RSVPD: Ope
837
:Yeah.
838
:I mean, I suppose it makes sense He
also didn't add the Cylons as survivors
839
:well now that was depressing: No.
840
:Well, they're-- the count's
841
:RSVPD: The a species.
842
:Yeah, yeah
843
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
844
:Cylons typically can't have
845
:RSVPD: I was gonna say though,
like they could be part of your
846
:gene pool if you think creatively.
847
:well now that was depressing:
Hmm, we'll see.
848
:so Starbuck is there on Colonial One.
849
:She goes to Lee and he's like, "Hey
uh, you didn't find the source of the
850
:signal, which is a bummer, but it's
not like anything weirder happened down
851
:there, so let me tell you about Dee."
852
:RSVPD: Yeah.
853
:well now that was depressing:
Yeah, doesn't even get the
854
:RSVPD: I kinda have a feeling we're
gonna have a couple episodes of
855
:this where Starbuck gets really
close to talking to Lee about stuff,
856
:but something else gets in the way
857
:well now that was depressing: You
mean just like anytime Starbucks
858
:had anything important to
859
:RSVPD: Uh-huh.
860
:Uh-huh.
861
:We're just gonna keep hitting that note
862
:well now that was depressing:
this has happened before, and
863
:all of it's happened again.
864
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm
865
:well now that was depressing:
You thought it was Broad Strokes.
866
:No, it's Starbucks bullshit.
867
:RSVPD: mean, I can see why uh,
Lee does preempt whatever she's
868
:gonna say 'cause yeah, pretty…
869
:Like, do we even know…
870
:They were divorced, right?
871
:well now that was depressing: Lee
872
:RSVPD: Yeah.
873
:Okay.
874
:'Cause he made the joke about she
gets to keep the house or whatever.
875
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
876
:RSVPD: but still
877
:well now that was depressing:
I mean, we don't really know
878
:what that entails in colonial
879
:RSVPD: True.
880
:well now that was depressing:
It could be a lot simpler.
881
:It could be impossible given
the state of their legal
882
:RSVPD: Yeah
883
:well now that was depressing: We don't
know what status their marriage held
884
:in state, in their state of the legal
885
:RSVPD: Yeah
886
:well now that was depressing:
Like, are they bothering with
887
:that level of paperwork right now?
888
:not like anyone's paying taxes or
889
:RSVPD: Right
890
:well now that was depressing:
minutia that you normally have,
891
:need that pile of paperwork
892
:RSVPD: Uh-huh.
893
:well now that was depressing:
Not worried about getting her on
894
:your insurance or something like,
895
:RSVPD: Mm-hmm, as we, we cut to Adama,
we see that he's, he's, like, walking
896
:through the halls, and someone has
painted "frak Earth" in the hallway.
897
:So, like, there is no
discipline right now.
898
:There is no order.
899
:well now that was depressing: None
900
:RSVPD: and Adama goes to CIC and
orders Gaeta to look for star systems.
901
:He tells Hoshi to call the
base ship and let them know
902
:that we're gonna be moving on.
903
:and then he addresses the crew
to a big montage of sadness
904
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
905
:Right before that, he tells Gaeta
to look for G, F, or K class worlds
906
:RSVPD: Okay
907
:well now that was depressing:
and invite the Cylons to join
908
:RSVPD: Yeah.
909
:Gaeta doesn't…
910
:I think Gaeta has a moment with that.
911
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
912
:RSVPD: know
913
:well now that was depressing:
Oh, and Hoshi steps in for D
914
:RSVPD: Yes.
915
:Mm-hmm
916
:well now that was depressing:
That's important for his character
917
:RSVPD: Yeah
918
:well now that was depressing: Ty is on the
surface packing up everything, and Tiana
919
:is going to stay put because she'd rather
die here alone than deal with Cavill.
920
:Same girl
921
:RSVPD: I mean, yeah.
922
:I guess I would do the same thing.
923
:Yeah, she says, "I, I wanna
die with my ancestors."
924
:Um, she tells Ty, like, "Hey, do
you ever wanna stop fighting this?
925
:Do you ever just wanna
926
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
927
:RSVPD: walk out into the sea?"
928
:well now that was depressing: of time.
929
:Yeah
930
:RSVPD: Like those, like those foxes
that Adama was talking about, do
931
:you just wanna float out to sea?
932
:And Ty's like, "Hmm, I might try that."
933
:So he goes and he walks out
into the water, and uh, he finds
934
:a piece of something, right?
935
:Like a little piece of a
locker or something, and has
936
:his own vision, psychometry
937
:well now that was depressing: d- he does.
938
:He has a moment of psychometry where
he experiences Earth in the past, and
939
:as the nukes are dropping, he tries to
save Ellen from some falling debris,
940
:and he knows now, he says it, that
she is the fifth of the final five
941
:RSVPD: Yes.
942
:She tells him as he's trying
to save her that, "Don't
943
:worry, everything is in place.
944
:We will be reborn."
945
:well now that was depressing: Yep
946
:RSVPD: Huh.
947
:well now that was depressing:
I wasn't gonna call that out.
948
:I was gonna see if you
949
:RSVPD: I did.
950
:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
951
:well now that was depressing: Okay
952
:RSVPD: so let's talk about that
953
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
954
:' RSVPD: Cause the sh-
955
:well now that was depressing: Let's
956
:RSVPD: the show seems,
957
:well now that was depressing:
I can't talk about it.
958
:What do you wanna talk about?
959
:RSVPD: well the show seems to be
wanting to me, me to believe two
960
:things, or at least be struggling
with two things right now.
961
:One, Saul Tigh has this vision,
and Ellen was the fifth Cylon,
962
:the fifth and final Cylon.
963
:Two, Starbuck found her own
corpse on the planet, but she is
964
:a live being, so perhaps she is
also the fifth and final Cylon.
965
:Like, there's only supposed
to be one left, but you've
966
:given me two possibilities.
967
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
968
:RSVPD: So, hmm.
969
:Don't know what to do with that.
970
:Except we did just have the conversation
when Tyril experienced his death,
971
:that maybe they, maybe Sol is
experiencing something that's going
972
:to lead him down a wrong rabbit hole
973
:well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm
974
:RSVPD: Where he thinks that it
was Ellen, that, that he and Ellen
975
:were actually there and died.
976
:or it could be that they, he just got
some kind of signal and he's got someone
977
:else's memories and that wasn't that.
978
:Or the show wants me to be struggling
with thinking Starbuck is also a Cylon.
979
:She could be super secret 13th Cylon.
980
:I could be right about that, that there
is super secret 13th Cylon, and it's just
981
:not Roslin like I've been harping on.
982
:I, I mean, if Ellen was really fifth Cylon
when Deanna had her vision in the opera
983
:house, it was in the opera house, right?
984
:well now that was depressing: Yeah.
985
:Yeah
986
:RSVPD: she apologizes to someone.
987
:It could make sense that she was
apologizing to either Ty or Ellen
988
:because, like, they did some
horrible shit to Ty or, you know, she
989
:probably knows that Ty killed Ellen
990
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
991
:RSVPD: they probably knew stuff
on the surface about things.
992
:Or she probably at least knows that Cavil
was, like, sexually exploiting Ellen.
993
:So,
994
:well now that was depressing: Yeah
995
:RSVPD: That would also be
an apologizing worthy thing.
996
:well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm.
997
:RSVPD: So it could really be Ellen
is the fifth and final Cylon.
998
:I guess I, I could headcanon
it around right now.
999
:In which case,
:
00:43:37,261 --> 00:43:38,731
well now that was depressing:
Seems a little anticlimactic,
:
00:43:38,912 --> 00:43:39,872
RSVPD: it does.
:
00:43:40,406 --> 00:43:44,496
the show really wants me to think
that Starbuck is also one, which
:
00:43:44,496 --> 00:43:48,066
makes me just, like, in my contrarian
nature, lean harder in the other
:
00:43:48,066 --> 00:43:49,736
way, that no, Starbuck is human.
:
00:43:52,836 --> 00:43:55,006
I can-- it could embarrass me later.
:
00:43:55,046 --> 00:43:56,326
That's entirely possible.
:
00:43:56,366 --> 00:43:56,816
But
:
00:43:56,976 --> 00:43:57,386
well now that was depressing: Yeah
:
00:43:57,455 --> 00:44:01,975
RSVPD: the, the show has given us
these two things that it's also
:
00:44:01,975 --> 00:44:07,315
telling it me can- cannot be both
true at the same time, unless there's
:
00:44:07,315 --> 00:44:11,005
the secret, super secret 13th Cylon.
:
00:44:11,005 --> 00:44:18,270
So I'm interested to see how that resolves
Because it seems strange right now.
:
00:44:18,947 --> 00:44:21,087
And I told Aaron last night, I
was like, "You know, remember
:
00:44:21,087 --> 00:44:24,757
how I really wanted it to be that
Saul and Ellen were both humans?
:
00:44:25,257 --> 00:44:27,677
Because I thought it was more
interesting if they were just
:
00:44:27,677 --> 00:44:30,217
two super messy humans who,
:
00:44:30,454 --> 00:44:30,464
well now that was depressing: Mm-hmm
:
00:44:31,087 --> 00:44:33,927
RSVPD: you know, just have a whole
bunch of shit going on, and one of
:
00:44:33,927 --> 00:44:36,187
them's not, like, the evil thing."
:
00:44:36,207 --> 00:44:38,147
You know, 'cause Cylons
are supposed to be evil.
:
00:44:38,207 --> 00:44:39,927
They're just both bad.
:
00:44:40,897 --> 00:44:43,527
I'm like, the show is really
telling me right now that they're
:
00:44:43,547 --> 00:44:45,097
both two super messy Cylons
:
00:44:47,377 --> 00:44:50,477
instead of the two super
messy humans that I wanted.
:
00:44:50,567 --> 00:44:51,637
So, all right.
:
00:44:53,027 --> 00:44:53,707
Mm.
:
00:44:53,757 --> 00:44:55,367
We'll see if that sticks.
:
00:44:55,427 --> 00:44:56,147
We'll see if it sticks
:
00:44:56,456 --> 00:44:56,856
well now that was depressing: Yeah.
:
00:44:57,291 --> 00:44:58,001
All right.
:
00:44:58,171 --> 00:45:01,531
Well, it's time to rate this episode
on a scale of one to 12 colonies
:
00:45:02,266 --> 00:45:02,776
RSVPD: Hmm.
:
00:45:03,346 --> 00:45:07,151
Hmm I had two Fuck This
episodes this season
:
00:45:07,681 --> 00:45:08,001
well now that was depressing: Yeah.
:
00:45:08,094 --> 00:45:10,314
RSVPD: used, I used one of them, right?
:
00:45:11,064 --> 00:45:11,914
I think we did.
:
00:45:12,074 --> 00:45:12,734
I think I did.
:
00:45:13,267 --> 00:45:14,527
You want better for Dee.
:
00:45:14,547 --> 00:45:15,447
You really do
:
00:45:16,346 --> 00:45:16,976
well now that was depressing: You do.
:
00:45:16,996 --> 00:45:17,976
She deserves better.
:
00:45:19,156 --> 00:45:23,986
You feel for her in ways that like,
are important because it means that
:
00:45:23,986 --> 00:45:26,956
you're a human being empathizing
with a television show, and you're
:
00:45:26,956 --> 00:45:28,466
experiencing the art and stuff.
:
00:45:28,506 --> 00:45:32,416
And like from a, like, I have to
experience this from over my own
:
00:45:32,416 --> 00:45:36,606
shoulder kind of perspective otherwise
I'll be too sad, and I know that.
:
00:45:37,506 --> 00:45:38,396
that's kinda where I'm at
:
00:45:38,571 --> 00:45:41,516
RSVPD: Yeah I mean, I'm very compelled.
:
00:45:41,706 --> 00:45:44,716
It did that thing again where it raised
a whole bunch of questions and I'm
:
00:45:44,716 --> 00:45:46,556
like, "Ah, I have to keep watching.
:
00:45:46,556 --> 00:45:47,636
I need to know more answers."
:
00:45:47,865 --> 00:45:48,235
well now that was depressing: Yep
:
00:45:48,326 --> 00:45:48,866
RSVPD: believe…
:
00:45:49,606 --> 00:45:53,606
I- see, if we, again, if we had
tried to take our break here and we
:
00:45:53,606 --> 00:45:58,476
had that whole month where we didn't
watch show and didn't record, that
:
00:45:58,476 --> 00:46:01,836
would've been hard a- after this one.
:
00:46:02,746 --> 00:46:05,076
Ugh, I'm so glad we didn't do that
:
00:46:05,795 --> 00:46:07,395
well now that was depressing: Not
as hard as the fucking year and a
:
00:46:07,395 --> 00:46:09,665
half we had in between in real life
:
00:46:10,136 --> 00:46:10,526
RSVPD: Yeah.
:
00:46:10,766 --> 00:46:12,496
I'm so glad I wasn't
paying attention then.
:
00:46:15,437 --> 00:46:17,517
I give it a 10, I guess.
:
00:46:17,997 --> 00:46:18,837
I'm compelled.
:
00:46:19,067 --> 00:46:22,477
I, I just, I'm afraid if I say, "Fuck this
episode," something worse is gonna happen
:
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:24,740
well now that was depressing:
Nah, I'm not.
:
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:25,650
Fuck this
:
00:46:25,935 --> 00:46:26,415
RSVPD: Okay.
:
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:29,050
well now that was depressing:
Fuck this episode.
:
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,260
Fuck this episode.
:
00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:32,530
Fuck this
:
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:35,989
RSVPD: It looks like he was
gonna throw his chair, guys.
:
00:46:35,989 --> 00:46:37,469
He didn't throw his chair, thank God
:
00:46:38,426 --> 00:46:39,446
well now that was depressing:
Was that too much?
:
00:46:39,476 --> 00:46:39,996
I don't know.
:
00:46:40,046 --> 00:46:40,906
Fuck this episode.
:
00:46:41,526 --> 00:46:42,306
Oh, did I scare you?
:
00:46:42,306 --> 00:46:43,396
I'm sorry, Puffin.
:
00:46:43,396 --> 00:46:43,836
It's okay,
:
00:46:43,981 --> 00:46:45,511
RSVPD: He scared the dog
:
00:46:45,596 --> 00:46:46,176
well now that was depressing: okay.
:
00:46:46,526 --> 00:46:47,836
I scared the dog.
:
00:46:47,876 --> 00:46:49,406
God, now I'm a bad person.
:
00:46:49,616 --> 00:46:51,056
It's okay, Puffin, come here.
:
00:46:51,366 --> 00:46:52,256
Oh, come here, girl.
:
00:46:52,286 --> 00:46:52,886
It's okay.
:
00:46:52,886 --> 00:46:53,786
Dad's not mad.
:
00:46:53,966 --> 00:46:55,176
No, Dad was doing a bit.
:
00:46:55,176 --> 00:46:56,076
It's called comedy.
:
00:46:56,076 --> 00:46:57,096
You don't understand.
:
00:46:57,096 --> 00:46:57,796
It's okay.
:
00:46:58,106 --> 00:46:58,456
Come on.
:
00:46:59,086 --> 00:46:59,476
It's okay.
:
00:47:00,016 --> 00:47:01,016
RSVPD: She's too worried
:
00:47:01,281 --> 00:47:01,521
well now that was depressing: Come on.
:
00:47:02,591 --> 00:47:03,131
It's okay.
:
00:47:03,141 --> 00:47:03,371
Who's
:
00:47:03,454 --> 00:47:05,144
RSVPD: Hello, puffin.
:
00:47:05,381 --> 00:47:05,711
well now that was depressing: a good
:
00:47:06,144 --> 00:47:08,034
RSVPD: It's okay, puffin
:
00:47:08,961 --> 00:47:10,061
well now that was depressing:
Yeah, okay, you can get down now.
:
00:47:11,751 --> 00:47:12,241
Yeah, but fuck
:
00:47:12,352 --> 00:47:12,842
RSVPD: Okay.
:
00:47:13,112 --> 00:47:16,302
You would know when the fuck
this episode is best deployed
:
00:47:19,518 --> 00:47:19,958
Yeah.
:
00:47:20,478 --> 00:47:21,988
I can, I can get behind that.
:
00:47:22,088 --> 00:47:24,298
Unless you think there's
something I wanna fuck later.
:
00:47:27,911 --> 00:47:28,761
well now that was depressing:
Judgment-free zone.
:
00:47:29,051 --> 00:47:31,071
Um, all right.
:
00:47:31,491 --> 00:47:40,041
Next up, we have:Awards winner for Best Dramatic Web
:
00:47:40,072 --> 00:47:40,722
RSVPD: Oh
:
00:47:41,151 --> 00:47:43,691
well now that was depressing: Best
Writing for a Dramatic Web Series,
:
00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:47,151
and Best Male Actor in a Web Series to
:
00:47:48,767 --> 00:47:49,247
RSVPD: Yeah.
:
00:47:49,528 --> 00:47:50,358
well now that was depressing: Gaeta.
:
00:47:51,888 --> 00:47:56,888
Also nominated for a Best
Short Action Live Format
:
00:47:58,379 --> 00:47:58,969
RSVPD: Damn
:
00:47:59,318 --> 00:48:00,408
well now that was depressing:
"The Face of the Enemy."
:
00:48:00,908 --> 00:48:08,148
A joint human-Cylon mission has a FTL
failure causing a bad jump and the
:
00:48:08,148 --> 00:48:10,808
possibility that rescue is impossible.
:
00:48:11,489 --> 00:48:13,499
RSVPD: I don't know that I'd
call that a mission, but okay.
:
00:48:15,002 --> 00:48:15,362
well now that was depressing: Yeah.
:
00:48:16,624 --> 00:48:23,060
so this aired over five weeks
before previous episode aired Right.
:
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:28,020
So this aired in between episodes
10 and 11 before 11 dropped,
:
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:30,130
but takes place after this
:
00:48:30,429 --> 00:48:30,749
RSVPD: Yeah.
:
00:48:30,749 --> 00:48:31,189
Okay.
:
00:48:31,229 --> 00:48:31,649
Okay.
:
00:48:31,729 --> 00:48:32,559
I, I get ya
:
00:48:33,112 --> 00:48:37,152
well now that was depressing: So we moved
it to align with that in our watch order.
:
00:48:38,242 --> 00:48:43,742
it was put out in the five weeks before
the season premiere, and they did two
:
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:44,489
RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
:
00:48:45,382 --> 00:48:48,982
well now that was depressing:
And this is one of the reasons
:
00:48:48,982 --> 00:48:50,722
that the writers' strike happened
:
00:48:50,819 --> 00:48:51,189
RSVPD: Oops.
:
00:48:51,932 --> 00:48:57,422
l now that was depressing: in:was all of these, like, web series being
:
00:48:57,422 --> 00:49:00,732
classified as promotional materials
that residuals were never seen from
:
00:49:00,739 --> 00:49:01,009
RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
:
00:49:01,009 --> 00:49:01,539
Mm-hmm
:
00:49:02,552 --> 00:49:05,812
well now that was depressing: And
this web series in particular was
:
00:49:05,812 --> 00:49:10,192
actually just completely unavailable
to watch outside of, like, it aired
:
00:49:10,202 --> 00:49:14,182
on, like, the Syfy Channel's website
for a minute, and then it came down,
:
00:49:14,442 --> 00:49:18,782
and then it didn't get released on
physical media for like six years
:
00:49:18,817 --> 00:49:19,047
RSVPD: Oop.
:
00:49:20,282 --> 00:49:21,382
well now that was depressing:
It was missing out of the,
:
00:49:21,422 --> 00:49:22,842
the season DVDs and stuff.
:
00:49:22,842 --> 00:49:25,772
It wasn't until they did a big
box set with everything that this
:
00:49:25,772 --> 00:49:27,622
was, like, available to watch.
:
00:49:27,632 --> 00:49:30,112
So this was almost lost media.
:
00:49:30,712 --> 00:49:34,042
we've already watched it because
we're gonna record this episode in a
:
00:49:34,081 --> 00:49:34,481
RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
:
00:49:35,062 --> 00:49:36,772
well now that was depressing: Um,
as soon as we're done talking here,
:
00:49:36,852 --> 00:49:37,972
we're gonna start that one up.
:
00:49:38,362 --> 00:49:39,332
The best of the web
:
00:49:39,737 --> 00:49:40,557
RSVPD: Oh, yeah.
:
00:49:40,672 --> 00:49:40,992
well now that was depressing:
have to think
:
00:49:41,077 --> 00:49:41,347
RSVPD: Mm-hmm.
:
00:49:41,782 --> 00:49:41,992
well now that was depressing: It's
:
00:49:42,017 --> 00:49:42,587
RSVPD: Compelling.
:
00:49:42,912 --> 00:49:43,742
well now that was depressing: Um,
:
00:49:43,767 --> 00:49:44,437
RSVPD: Concerning.
:
00:49:44,462 --> 00:49:44,942
well now that was depressing: very good.
:
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:46,232
S- yeah.
:
00:49:47,182 --> 00:49:50,242
but we'll be talking about that week.
:
00:49:50,592 --> 00:49:53,462
Before we get there, we should
say thank you to Jeremy Siegel.
:
00:49:54,998 --> 00:49:59,468
I'm gonna say fuck this episode, but
I will always say thank you to you
:
00:49:59,818 --> 00:50:01,228
for doing our lovely theme music.
:
00:50:01,258 --> 00:50:02,368
Thanks so much for putting that together.
:
00:50:02,368 --> 00:50:05,338
You can find more of Jeremy's work
at jeremysiegel42.bandcamp.com.
:
00:50:05,445 --> 00:50:08,975
RSVPD: I will always say thank
you to Angry Duck Time Machine on
:
00:50:08,975 --> 00:50:11,175
Instagram for our podcast artwork
:
00:50:11,632 --> 00:50:12,822
well now that was depressing:
And I usually remember to
:
00:50:12,822 --> 00:50:13,912
say thank you to Aaron.
:
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:15,240
Uh, I
:
00:50:15,509 --> 00:50:16,989
RSVPD: thank you and an apology
:
00:50:17,950 --> 00:50:19,610
well now that was depressing:
usually thank you and an apology
:
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:21,470
for editing this episode.
:
00:50:21,610 --> 00:50:26,441
Thanks so much for making me sound
coherent and I guess editing out
:
00:50:26,601 --> 00:50:28,051
the screaming child sometimes.
:
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:30,610
RSVPD: Sometimes, but
maybe not this one time.
:
00:50:31,341 --> 00:50:32,421
well now that was depressing:
Maybe not this one time.
:
00:50:34,164 --> 00:50:37,864
RSVPD: Ugh, and thanks, listener,
for being here with us on this crazy
:
00:50:37,874 --> 00:50:42,234
journey that I think is about to
hit a breakneck pace to the end.
:
00:50:43,104 --> 00:50:43,734
If you,
:
00:50:44,115 --> 00:50:44,625
well now that was depressing:
It's gonna feel
:
00:50:44,774 --> 00:50:49,024
RSVPD: if you wanna talk about Battlestar
Galactica, you gotta get in here.
:
00:50:49,174 --> 00:50:50,704
You gotta get in the Discord
:
00:50:51,132 --> 00:50:51,652
well now that was depressing: Yeah.
:
00:50:51,842 --> 00:50:55,256
And if you wanna talk about what's
already happened, just say something.
:
00:50:55,256 --> 00:50:59,296
We'll get you in spoiler town,
you can see everyone giving me
:
00:50:59,296 --> 00:51:02,716
shit for almost spoiling things to
Laura for the last couple of years.
:
00:51:04,349 --> 00:51:06,549
RSVPD: I can't wait till
I can also see that.
:
00:51:07,153 --> 00:51:07,673
well now that was depressing: One day
:
00:51:09,266 --> 00:51:09,506
RSVPD: All right
:
00:51:09,799 --> 00:51:10,929
well now that was depressing:
Probably once we're done with
:
00:51:10,929 --> 00:51:12,609
the main series before we hit
:
00:51:12,884 --> 00:51:13,274
RSVPD: Yeah.
:
00:51:13,369 --> 00:51:13,999
well now that was depressing: because
:
00:51:14,084 --> 00:51:16,234
RSVPD: There won't be anything in
Capricorn we gotta worry about?
:
00:51:16,424 --> 00:51:16,804
Okay.
:
00:51:16,969 --> 00:51:18,599
well now that was depressing:
about spoiling anything in Caprica.
:
00:51:18,614 --> 00:51:20,074
RSVPD: Okay, cool.
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00:51:20,507 --> 00:51:22,137
We'll see you next week, internet.
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00:51:22,405 --> 00:51:22,705
well now that was depressing: Bye.
