The one, the only Dr. Jerome Wagner joins us for a conversation on the polarities of the enneagram types. Jerome brings some unique wisdom that he was kind enough to share. His four R’s are brilliant and helpful. Jerry’s books and teachings have been so foundational to the enneagram community that he was named an “Honorary Founder of the International Enneagram Association.” Enjoy this conversation. 

4:50 - Who is Dr. Jerry Wagner? 

6:40 - Jerry’s introduction to the enneagram [in the early ‘70s!] and his enneagram-focused dissertation

9:08 - Jerry’s enneagram elevator pitch 

10:15 - Jerry’s experience as a Type 5

12:10 - Integrating Polarities [the 4 R’s: recognize, re-frame, re-own, re-cycle]

21:00 - Examples of how the polarities work by type

1:00:00 - Toxic positivity vs. toxic negativity

1:02:15 - How polarities help us with typing 

1:04:00 - Exercises to explore polarities

1:07:00 - A parting word from Jerry 

Follow Dr. Wagner’s work [articles, books, trainings, etc.} at: www.enneagramspectrum.com  

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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