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DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome back to another episode

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of Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history.

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I am DJ Sir Daniel.

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And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government

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as Johnny Ray Cornegay, the third what's happening, people.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Well, I can tell you what's happening, Jay Ray.

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P Diddy is to say that he's in trouble is an understatement.

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We're now 120 more allegations deep and the saga just continues.

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Um, more artists that he's worked with are coming out with their

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own tales of working with him.

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But you know what you and I were having a conversation about a, a video that

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we recently saw featuring Johnny Gill and Johnny Gill, of course, we know.

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Iconic legendary vocalist, um, member of.

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Uh, Levert, sweat and Gill, also a member of a new edition, of course, was

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reflecting on his time and new additions time working with Diddy on Bad Boy.

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And you and I looked at each other like, huh,

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that's

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DJ Sir Daniel: I completely forgot about that.

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That was a pro.

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That was a moment in time.

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it's wild when you think about it now one that it was that many years.

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So that is the 20th anniversary of the release of new additions album on

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Bad Boy, which was called one love.

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It was their seventh album,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.

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um, released in November of 2004.

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So we're really coming up on it on the Bad Boy, universal.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Ooh.

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We got a lot to talk about there leading up to this record, but

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you know, what's interesting about this album for me personally, sir, Daniel.

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And I do want to get in, have, have us get into what Johnny Gill said.

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What's interesting for me though, about this album is literally forgot.

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So there was home again,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes,

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and then there was one love in my mind.

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They were the same album.

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DJ Sir Daniel: same, same Jay Ray saying same.

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I was like, when, so that wasn't on hot tonight when on the home again.

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Oh, huh.

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I literally said the same thing and I figured out why we feel this way.

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Sir, Daniel, the reason why

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DJ Sir Daniel: Okay.

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this way, and this speaks to kind of the omni presence of a Bad Boy in that

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era between like 96 and like the early 2000s was that of course, Diddy produced.

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The single from the home again record.

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for whatever reason, I merged these two things together and was like, Oh yeah.

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One love.

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Of course that I remembered, I remember the hot tonight that was on there

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and I thought it was all six of them.

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And it wasn't until I was getting ready for this show, sir, Daniel, where they

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were like, five members were in a group.

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And I'm like, no, that don't make no sense.

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It was six members in the group.

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It wasn't, this is a totally different record.

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DJ Sir Daniel: It was not, it was supposed to be a celebration of new

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edition, finally leaving MCA because they had been with MCA for decades,

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they were finally leaving MCA and they were also, they also got their masters.

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deal.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Which is a huge deal for artists.

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You hear them talk about it to this day about getting their masters,

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getting the original reel to reels in their case of their recordings there.

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Like you said, they had not put an album out in seven years.

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So.

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It just kind of felt like, you know, Diddy is Diddy and Bad Boy records.

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As you mentioned, J rate has been running things for lack of a better

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term for, for close to a decade now, they've had a great track run.

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Um, They've had, they got this new deal with universal records, which that just

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was not a good era for Bad Boy in my, in my opinion, and clearly yours as well.

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But they actually signed Jay Ray in 2002.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Guess when the album finally came out 2004.

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So there's a.

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Two year gap.

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There's two years of being in the studios, two years of, I'm sure

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photo shoots, two years of writing.

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And the only thing that I can think of, Jay Ray, is that they were just,

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there was too many chefs in the kitchen.

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'cause when you look at who was on the roster as far as producers,

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Jay Ray, and writers, first of all, new Edition of course.

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Being the, the, the consummate performance that they are, are writing as well.

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This is not just like, we're going to sit here and let you give us stuff.

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This is a collaboration.

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They are,

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They have had hit after hit as a group and solo.

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They are seasoned performers.

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So by then new edition is 20 years into their career.

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They are veterans.

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DJ Sir Daniel: they are veterans.

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They are heads of state, in my opinion.

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And so of course the album roster of producers includes,

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you know, your Stevie J's.

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You got your, now you got your Mario Winans, Ryan, um, Leslie, and who is

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a whole nother conversation to have.

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long, that's a whole other long conversation.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That's a whole nother conversation to have, Dre and Vidal.

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And funny enough, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were producers on

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this album as well, Jay Ray.

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That's a lot of chefs in the kitchen,

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a lot of chefs.

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And of course, you know, the thing about it, and I think it was, uh,

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Michael Bivens, it might've been Ricky Bell that talked about.

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this at the time, Bad Boy, of course, didn't really want, they

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weren't really keen on the Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis edition.

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So Jimmy and Terry only did, I think two songs on this record, if I'm correct.

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Yeah.

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They did two songs on the record.

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And most of that was because I think, you know, budget wise

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bet, you know, did he wants to

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DJ Sir Daniel: you

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in house with the hit men.

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DJ Sir Daniel: know, of course.

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That's

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we know that new edition is like, nah, like our big bangers.

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Is this we jimmy jam and terry lewis like

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DJ Sir Daniel: that's magic right there

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are we not gonna have a record with jimmy j have songs with jimmy

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jim And terry lewis, but I I do want us to talk a little bit about um The

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moment in time that new edition are actually coming into Bad Boy because I

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think that does cloud What happened to?

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so in The early, the late nineties.

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So this is 2000 and beyond Bad Boy changes a lot.

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So by 2002, when new edition sign the head, all the, the, the original

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kind of the old G's are gone, so there's no more faith Evans.

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There's no more biggie.

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There's no more mace, like all of these people who were part of Bad Boy version 1.

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0 have all moved on.

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And now we're into Bad Boy version.

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2.

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0, which did he had gone through?

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And because Diddy is the biggest star on the label and

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DJ Sir Daniel: by design

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design, right, he grew to be the biggest thing on the label.

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Right.

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of course he went through his own challenges.

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This is after the club incident with the shooting and shine.

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And

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DJ Sir Daniel: J Lo.

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so.

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Diddy is having a rough time chart wise in this era.

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And I remember when I heard about the fact that new edition signed

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with Bad Boy on paper, it made sense.

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It's like, Diddy is from, you know, this era of.

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He understands R& B.

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He's helped to craft some of the most amazing R& B and ushered

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in some of the most amazing R& B acts we'll ever experience.

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And it's like, Oh yeah, new addition signing with him makes sense.

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And then of course we get into it and realize like, Oh my God, this is

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actually kind of a mess because Johnny Gill alludes to that in the interview

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of like, yeah, it didn't work out the way we thought it was going to.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.

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So, Johnny Gill's, um, interview, he specifically recalls an incident where,

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you know, and he always prefaces, prefaces the conversation by saying,

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Hey, I've known Sean for years.

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Which is true.

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They, you know, if you're in the music industry long enough, you're going to run

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into the same people over and over again.

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Y'all are running in the same circles.

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You're probably on tour with each other.

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They know each other.

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They're in the same age group.

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This is, so Johnny Gill is looking at him like, you're my peer.

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We're bros.

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Right.

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And so he recounts these really ugly incidents where Sean kind of oversteps.

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His the boundaries and like gets really flippant with him and he was like, hey

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now, wait a minute Then this thing, you know, they're having these drop

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knockdown drag out arguments And jray, so I have a theory as you mentioned Um

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Bad Boy isn't really on the charts like that anymore um The roster is looking

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real funny because now the roster is made up of mostly reality TV stars.

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Diddy has transitioned from a recording star to a television star.

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Thanks to MTV

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Mhm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: and the making the band series.

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Of course, you know, you've got, first of all, remember that.

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That held that weird moment in time where he had all these

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white acts, like he had dream.

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He had, what was it?

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Was it machine gun Kelly?

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Clang.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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So he was, he was really, really like, I guess, trying to, of course,

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cross over on in a major way by introducing non black acts to Bad Boy.

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And that really didn't work.

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If you look at the, the, the roster and who actually was successful.

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But I, I go back to the, to the making the band series.

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Diddy has now has this television persona of the mogul and the, the HNIC everything.

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I'm the last, I'm the last stop for everything that goes on around here.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And so I think he carried over that persona that

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give me a cheesecake from junior's persona into a conversation with.

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New addition who are his age or slight, maybe slightly older, who have been

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in the actual industry longer than him are actual performers who have

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sold millions of records, consummate performers who, who get up there and

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do a two step like nobody else can.

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They can fall into choreography.

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These are seasoned professionals.

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Jay Ray, it sounds to me like one love was not a collaboration.

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One love was definitely a battle, a battle, mostly with Diddy's, probably

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his ego and him trying to keep creative control over this project when he didn't,

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he probably didn't realize that he could have gotten a lot further if it had

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been more of a collaboration instead of him trying to bully some grown ass men.

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And as we see here, it took, so the album, you want to talk about the stats.

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hmm

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DJ Sir Daniel: Let's talk about the stats.

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So they were signed, like I said, in November of 20, excuse me, 2002.

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Mm

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DJ Sir Daniel: The album did not come out until 2004.

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The first single, Hot Tonight, which was a battle in of it.

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So,

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hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: because.

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by the way.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Produced by Ryan Leslie did not, according to new edition, the

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single did not reflect their maturity and it did not reflect the maturity of

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their audience because they know who they are and they know who their audience is.

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They know how old the audience is.

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And this, this literally sounds like something you could

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give to a one 12 or day 26.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Yes

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Um, unedited version.

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I really think you need to check it out.

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Cause you, he's in rare form and you never seen him talking like this.

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I sometimes I had to step back myself.

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I couldn't believe it.

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No, but on a serious tip, if you want us, you know, there's things

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that we can introduce and play.

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Um, On the backside, but we can't do it here.

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Cause you know, we'll get flagged in, you know, how YouTube does this thing.

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Come join the cool kids and just, you know, get all the behind the

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DJ Sir Daniel: peace.

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So the album, one love debuted at number 12.

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On billboards, 200 chart and number five on the billboard R and B hip hop chart.

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respectable for a band of that caliber and new additions audience

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What did this record of course, and honestly, from a commercial and critical

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perspective, the reviews were fine.

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People were like, no, this is actually a competent record.

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Did he knows how to make sure that a record is clean, that it

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sounds good, all of the above.

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So people didn't have concerns with the quality of the album per se,

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but it was some of this other stuff.

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DJ Sir Daniel: It was some of the other stuff we were talking

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about, the lack of cohesion between Diddy and new, um, new edition.

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And so the single.

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Which again was a lot.

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There was a lot of contention between, um, between the label and the artists.

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They didn't really want that single to be the first thing, because this is, this is

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how you're reintroducing yourself after seven years of not releasing an album.

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This is not, this is not only how you're reintroducing yourself to

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your core audience, but there's a whole nother generation that

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is getting to no new addition.

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That single Jay Ray peaked at number 35 on Billboard's R& B chart and

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number 87 on Billboard's Hot 100.

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We're talking about New Edition here, Jay Ray.

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This is New Edition.

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This is a, this is a super group.

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This is New Edition, Bell Biv DeVoe, and Johnny Gill.

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Forum to make Tron at this point.

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And then, so by April of 2005, the, the album came out in November of 2004.

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By April of 2005, guess how many copies it actually sold?

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245,000 copies, I think.

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I think Johnny Gill might have sold that on his own back in 1985.

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Right.

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With the record that people,

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DJ Sir Daniel: didn't even know.

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You know what I'm saying?

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This is, that's wild considering that again, this is a,

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this is a heritage group.

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This is a heritage group.

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These are not some new jacks,

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Yeah.

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You know, it's interesting when I put this in perspective today, we

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would look at 245, 000 and think, Oh my God, that record is such a hit.

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This is awesome.

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DJ Sir Daniel: right?

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But

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DJ Sir Daniel: copies.

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Yes.

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copies, right.

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He's like, Oh my God, that's really

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DJ Sir Daniel: Y'all do that.

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Grand

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This is a hit album, but, um, In 2004 and 2005, is not it, right?

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And as a result, new edition.

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Asked to be really like, listen, we went out of this thing.

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We bow out.

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DJ Sir Daniel: opening, grand closing, literally a year, Jay Ray from November of

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2004 to November of 2005, the span of the album one and done, we are out of here.

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Let us out of our, let us out of this contract.

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That's it.

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Let's just wash my hands, but Jay Ray who's missing out of this equation.

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like, we haven't talked about the fact that there is a member, the,

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the Kang of R& B is not in this group.

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And we're not meaning that facetiously.

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Bobby Brown is amazing.

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King of R& B.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Jay Ray, where, so we saw Bobby Brown in 1996,

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part of the home again project,

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And

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DJ Sir Daniel: but where was he during one love

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Well, so the interesting thing.

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So new edition reforms in 1996, they do an album home again.

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It's amazing.

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Everybody's excited to have new edition back.

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So what do artists do?

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Sir, Daniel, when they need to promote an album, they like, we got to go on tour.

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DJ Sir Daniel: on the road again,

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are new edition.

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We're going to do all of our new edition stuff.

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And then we're going to do our BBD, our Ralph T, our Johnny G

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and our Bell Biv DeVoe stuff, and it's going to be amazing, baby.

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Listen, those brothers was scratch.

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Being Sir Daniel.

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DJ Sir Daniel: I believe it.

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I mean, knock down drag outs, but it's in all fairness and all honesty, they've

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been doing that since they were kids,

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Yeah,

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DJ Sir Daniel: which is to be expected.

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You know, you've got growing men, um, on tour with each other.

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All everybody has.

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Different personalities, their own egos, of course.

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And they're making money.

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So yes, you're going to have a clash of the Titans.

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that's the other big part.

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So yes, I know we we did the whole thing about them arguing and not getting along.

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But the other thing was Bob from Bobby Brown's perspective.

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He's like, I don't want to split.

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You don't know you have when you're in a group like this, like you

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got to split the money up evenly

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah,

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it's not five, it is six.

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So when you've now been a solo act for as long as Bobby Brown had been a solo act,

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those splits were also a thing as well.

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Um,

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DJ Sir Daniel: got a lot of kids to take care of

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a lot of kids to take care of.

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That was a whole different point of time in Bobby Brown's life as well.

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DJ Sir Daniel: for sure.

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Bobby did not sign on for the.

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one love the bad whole Bad Boy era, but sir, Daniel, one thing

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that you said earlier, and I know we're going to get out of here in a

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second, but I do think it is really

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not ironic is the wrong word.

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I felt like.

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Do addition fighting so hard to get from under the thumb and the

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foot of all of these MCA records.

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Maurice star back in the day, all of these people that were like, no, no,

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no, we're going to hold you down.

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I think the other thing is.

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Going over there to Bad Boy, they quickly figured out like, no, cause he's already

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trying to take control of stuff that we've worked so hard to get, regain our control.

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You can't have it.

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DJ Sir Daniel: You are absolutely right.

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Um, one caveat.

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So like Bobby Brown rejoined new edition right after they, um, left Bad Boy and

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went to support the one love project.

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What was left of it?

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right.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And they went on tour after that, but you're absolutely right.

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I it's I couldn't have said it any better.

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These are grown men who have literally come up in the industry as children have

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gone have Gone up against every monster in this industry that you can think of

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and for You know, again, like I said, Diddy is at this time is really feeling

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himself and wants to take creative control, keep everything in house, of

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course, like you said, to, to keep it, um, more beneficial for him economically,

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but these fellas are just like, no, you can't talk to us like, um, the band.

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We're not Danny B.

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Kane.

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You're not going to, to roast us and have us doing a dance battle.

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You can't do that with us.

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And so it's just, it's really simple.

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Let's surmise it.

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Jay Ray, the factors that led to the failure of one love, a battle

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of creative control between Diddy.

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And new addition strike one to the lead single did not reflect the

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group's maturity or the maturity of their audience and number three.

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And most importantly, there was probably just a lack of

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respect, a lack of respect for.

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Um, them as artists and for them as, as creative, um, creatives in this process.

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So yeah, guys, I hope you not, do you remember, is it clicking now?

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You remember one love the album cover is, it's white.

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They're wearing baggy jeans, which is weird for new edition at that age.

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Okay.

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So I do want to talk about that before we get out of here.

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That was also really interesting.

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So new edition has this

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baggy, like it's like

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DJ Sir Daniel: Is it Sean?

Jay Ray: 00:23:02

They're probably wearing Sean, John

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literally wearing Sean John and they got, so if you go back to

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home again, they're all in suits, dah,

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DJ Sir Daniel: White suits.

Jay Ray: 00:23:11

Yes.

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in

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DJ Sir Daniel: Very classy.

Jay Ray: 00:23:13

right.

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And at this, I'm like, so are they the locks now?

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I'm not sure.

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DJ Sir Daniel: They're looking like a combination of the locks and,

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um, so for real at the point, not, not up to new edition standards.

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Sorry guys, but I hope you enjoyed this episode of Queue Points podcast.

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name is Jay Ray, y'all.

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DJ Sir Daniel: and this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping

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the needle on black music history.

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We will see you on the next go round.

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Peace.