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What is hell like?
Have you ever wondered what hell is really like? Or what happens there? You might learn something from this near-death-experience.
We are deeply connected to that which we’ve grown up with (see: stories, just about every episode) and perhaps leaving the earth is no different.
What about heaven?
M.K. (Kathy) McDaniel is the Author of the memoir, MISFIT IN HELL TO HEAVEN EXPAT. While dying from lung failure in 1999, she was placed on a ventilator and into a drug-induced coma. A Distressing Near-Death Experience occurred and, although mostly traumatic, she also experienced the overwhelming bliss of Heaven which shifted her religious beliefs to a deep spirituality. Kathy credits the members of IANDS (International Assn. for Near-Death Studies) for her eventual integration of the Disturbing NDE, and the ability to accept the sacred mission that caused her reluctant return to Earth. She now shares her experience, and its messages, as a guest on various media, and via her memoir, MISFIT IN HELL TO HEAVEN EXPAT.
In this episode:
- Kathy shares the meaning of going to hell, and then to heaven
- Learn why she lives by this mantra – Be loving, kind, merciful, forgiving, encouraging, grateful, non-judgmental, and.useful.
- Discover how you should live life today so you can prepare for an easier death transition later. hint- you might want to be kind now
- You might discover a little more about NDE’s than you knew before!
More on Kathy:
http://www.misfitinhelltoheavenexpat.com
Her social media links::
https://www.facebook.com/KathyMcDaniel.FoxIs
https://twitter.com/MKMcDaniel3
https://www.instagram.com/kathymcdaniel.foxis
K. (Kathy) McDaniel | LinkedIn
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Transcripts
There was people screaming and, and the background fires and, you know, boom.
Speaker:Just imagine yourself becoming conscious in a situation like that.
Speaker:I didn't know.
Speaker:I just knew I had to run or I had to hide or something
rev karen:Hello and welcome to the Connectedness Podcast.
rev karen:Just as you might have guessed, I talk about connection and connectedness
rev karen:on this podcast, our connection with everything in the world around us.
rev karen:Whether you see it or not, we're all connected.
rev karen:And it doesn't matter if it's our dog, our cat, our God, our body.
rev karen:And I'll also talk about some more abstract connections like our career or
rev karen:our land, our community, our emotions.
rev karen:Your body life is all about connection.
rev karen:So the sooner we recognize that, the sooner we can have an
rev karen:easier, more meaningful life.
rev karen:I will talk about these connections through different lenses.
rev karen:Things like synchronicities and coincidences are just everyday
rev karen:little bits of magic and miracles that we, we usually dismiss.
rev karen:It's really important that we pay attention to all of this so we can
rev karen:live an easier, more meaningful life.
rev karen:So welcome to the show.
rev karen:I'm your host, Karen Cleveland.
rev karen:Hello.
rev karen:Welcome back to this show.
rev karen:I am so glad you're here.
rev karen:You are not going to believe this guest that I have today.
rev karen:This story is pretty incredible, so you're gonna wanna stay tuned.
rev karen:I'm not going to.
rev karen:To do any spoiling of it, I'm gonna just let her tell the story and what happens.
rev karen:So I have with me today Kathy McDaniel and she is the author
rev karen:of the Men Memoir, misfit.
rev karen:In Inhale to have an Expat While Dying from Lung Failure in 1999,
rev karen:she was placed on a ventilator and into a drug-induced coma.
rev karen:A distressing near death experience occurred, and although mostly
rev karen:traumatic, she also experienced.
rev karen:The overwhelming bliss of heaven, which shifted her religious
rev karen:beliefs to deep spirituality.
rev karen:Kathy credits the members of I A N D S, Ian's International Association
rev karen:for Near-Death studies for her eventual integration of the disturbing
rev karen:near-death experience and the ability to accept the sacred mission that.
rev karen:Caused her reluctant return to earth.
rev karen:She now shares this experience.
rev karen:Its messages with guests on various media like my podcast, and via her
rev karen:memoir, Misfit In Hell to Heaven expat.
rev karen:Welcome, Kathy.
rev karen:I'm very excited to have you here today.
rev karen:Thank you so much, Karen.
rev karen:I'm very happy to be here.
rev karen:Great.
rev karen:Why don't we start at the beginning.
rev karen:So you said you were in a drug-induced coma.
rev karen:Wh how did you get there?
rev karen:What was going on and um, why did they put you in a coma?
rev karen:Uh, I had been asked by, uh, my former fiance who was still my best
rev karen:friend, to help him go to Seattle.
rev karen:He had leukemia and this was a research hospital where his doctors had given up.
rev karen:He needed two care.
rev karen:So I dropped everything and went to Seattle, found us an apartment near
rev karen:the hospital, and we began, but uh, was supposed to be about a three month
rev karen:process, turned into almost nine months, which took a terrible toll on all of us
rev karen:physically and mentally and spiritually.
rev karen:And he died, uh, he was 53 years old.
rev karen:And I, I just couldn't believe it and I was just a wreck.
rev karen:And, uh, I was attending a, a concert with a friend and a terrible
rev karen:flu was going around and I caught.
rev karen:By the time I got to one of the dock in the boxes, my, a new friend had taken me
rev karen:down there in the middle of the night.
rev karen:I was coughing up blood and couldn't, couldn't breathe, and oh my gosh.
rev karen:Um, uh, I, I, I passed out.
rev karen:When I got outta the car, I just felt my life force just kind of draining out and
rev karen:he carried me in, yelling, help, help.
rev karen:And they couldn't find a pulse.
rev karen:They got me to a hospital in an ambulance and I woke up.
rev karen:In an oxygen tent with my parents and my family around me.
rev karen:And they were, I was in Washington.
rev karen:They were from Colorado and California, and I thought, uhoh, something's up.
rev karen:. Wow.
rev karen:You know?
rev karen:And they said that I had arts, which was acute respiratory distress syndrome.
rev karen:And that's usually what people with SARS or Covid diaphragm, it's just lung.
rev karen:Just lung failure, right?
rev karen:And so they said there was about a 38% chance of making it.
rev karen:This was 23 years ago.
rev karen:They were using it as a Guinea pig.
rev karen:So they, the doctor's last words were, you won't remember a thing because
rev karen:we're giving you this analgesic and, and it'll take your brain off offline.
rev karen:You'll just, uh, we just don't want you pulling out tubes and stuff.
rev karen:We want you just gone.
rev karen:And, uh, he kind of added, uh, hopefully you'll wake up kind of a situation.
rev karen:And I.
rev karen:There was, there was just no, no.
rev karen:You couldn't just say no.
rev karen:So my parents and, and everybody says, well, Kathy, you gotta do this.
rev karen:Wow.
rev karen:So, and I went, so can I ask real fast?
rev karen:Sure.
rev karen:So when you woke up, they were already there.
rev karen:So, uh, a a period of time had already passed.
rev karen:How long were you out for at that point?
rev karen:I have no idea.
rev karen:Okay.
rev karen:I mean, I, I tried to go back and recreate it, but, uh, I think it was the 28th I
rev karen:was admitted and I remember New Years'.
rev karen:Wow.
rev karen:Okay.
rev karen:Three years Eve, 1999, so, okay.
rev karen:Alright.
rev karen:I remember the ball going down on the, uh, television.
rev karen:That's it.
rev karen:Oh my gosh.
rev karen:So, um, supposedly I was supposed to be just.
rev karen:Gone.
rev karen:But I woke up, uh, I was conscious and, um, confused.
rev karen:Uh, it was completely dark.
rev karen:Uh, there was no sound.
rev karen:Later on I learned that that's called the void, and that's kind of an in
rev karen:between place where there's, oh, there's nothing but you . And so.
rev karen:I was freaked, understandably, but I thought, well, there's
rev karen:nothing I can do but hang, you know, I'll just see what happens.
rev karen:And it wasn't too long before I saw a, a reddish glow, and then I, I
rev karen:thought maybe the sun was coming up, but then, then, Um, I don't know.
rev karen:It started getting too warm.
rev karen:I smelled something horrible and I could hear shrieking and
rev karen:moaning, and I thought, oh, wow.
rev karen:What have I gotten myself into?
rev karen:And then I, all of a sudden, this voice just boomed out of the fog.
rev karen:Do you know where you are?
rev karen:You know, and I thought the only thing I could come up with was.
rev karen:And then this thing just laughed.
rev karen:This maniacal laughed, and that really triggered me.
rev karen:I, I turned and I ran to the left.
rev karen:I remember that into the darkness.
rev karen:I knew I just had to get away from that thing.
rev karen:Wow.
rev karen:And then what happened?
rev karen:Uh, Karen was just a series of segments.
rev karen:It was like movie sets or something that kept changing, and I never
rev karen:knew when it was gonna happen.
rev karen:The first one was the light.
rev karen:I was, you know, total darkness and then the lights just came up, uh,
rev karen:all of a sudden and I found myself in a, a bombed out, huge city.
rev karen:Uh, I, I, that bomb was the only thing I could think of because buildings
rev karen:had fallen, there was rebar sticking out of big things of concrete.
rev karen:There was people screaming and, and the background fires and, you know, boom.
rev karen:Just imagine yourself becoming conscious in a situation like that.
rev karen:I didn't know.
rev karen:I just knew I had to run or I had to hide or something, and there was interchanges
rev karen:with peculiar people things I, I, I, later I thought maybe it was an alien
rev karen:attack from the sounds and the things I could hear scuttling around out there.
rev karen:It was ugly.
rev karen:So I would try to escape and get to a better place and I fell
rev karen:and backwards and the lights.
rev karen:And then the lights would come up.
rev karen:So there were several situations.
rev karen:They seemed to get worse.
rev karen:Um, I was very surprised when I opened my eyes one time and there was an obvious
rev karen:demonn standing in front of me, uh, that uh, said, do you wanna get outta here?
rev karen:And I said, oh, wow.
rev karen:He speaks, Perfect English.
rev karen:I could remember seeing no.
rev karen:Oh, wow.
rev karen:You know, I thought, what an odd thing for me to, to, uh, you know, focus on.
rev karen:But, um, I said, sure.
rev karen:And he says, well, if you do one thing for me, I'll see you get out.
rev karen:And this was early in the game.
rev karen:I, I never really knew where I was.
rev karen:I, I didn't feel dead.
rev karen:Uh, I was just me.
rev karen:Um, and our souls are just us, right?
rev karen:I mean, our bodies are like a car we ride around in.
rev karen:We're not really our minds or our bodies.
rev karen:So it was just me, uh, in the wonderland.
rev karen:I, I had no idea, but it was a, it was a, it was a a mean thing that he did.
rev karen:It was a huge blackberry field as far as you could see with the canes and the
rev karen:thorns, and, and he gave me kindergarten paper cutting scissors to do this.
rev karen:It was obvious that I wasn't gonna get out, um, doing this, but I,
rev karen:I thought maybe there's a chance.
rev karen:And, uh, eventually I, I found out that that wasn't gonna work.
rev karen:The lights went out.
rev karen:The lights came up.
rev karen:I was in another situation.
rev karen:What makes my n d E distressing one different is I saw a
rev karen:couple of living people.
rev karen:Oh, relatives.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:And, uh, there's a lady that's doing a book on that now that, that's very rare.
rev karen:Uh, there were two people there that, that I encountered, and
rev karen:they, again, were mean to me.
rev karen:They, and, uh, wouldn't help me and were self absorbed.
rev karen:And, uh, when I got back I just knew I had to tell them both a message
rev karen:and, which is not easy to do, to approach someone and say, I was
rev karen:in hell and I have to give you a.
rev karen:It's such a real showstopper.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:But, uh, one of the, one of the people never spoke to me again.
rev karen:Uh, that was, you know, 23 years ago.
rev karen:And then the other one came to me a couple years later and said, tell me that again.
rev karen:What happened?
rev karen:You know?
rev karen:And uh, she says, you know, I thought that odd when you told me, but you know, I was
rev karen:in a very health hellish situation and.
rev karen:I got out of it and I just wanted to say I was grateful that you
rev karen:kind of put that little thing in my mind that I could get out.
rev karen:So that was good.
rev karen:Uh, a lot of times I was on this road, uh, for one of a better word, it was
rev karen:just a flat surface, uh, uh, horizon, uh, with a glow at the, at the horizon.
rev karen:No trees or anything.
rev karen:Just rocks and dirt.
rev karen:Uh, dusk, you know, no stars.
rev karen:Um, I didn't know where it went, but it only went one direction and I, I took
rev karen:it thinking, always thinking, I've, I've gotta be able to get out of here.
rev karen:I mean, I don't know where I am, but there's gotta be a
rev karen:way I was not gonna give up.
rev karen:They constantly said, just despair.
rev karen:You're not getting outta here.
rev karen:And somewhere in my mind I remember to despair the unforgivable sin.
rev karen:I can't do that again.
rev karen:I never.
rev karen:To pray or to call on God.
rev karen:And it took me years to realize why that was.
rev karen:Um, that situation was something I planned, pre-planned.
rev karen:Uh, I believe we pre-planned our lives when we come down now after
rev karen:talking to many, many, many, many, many, I, uh, ions people.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:And, um, I, I planned that whole thing.
rev karen:Uh, eventually I did get out.
rev karen:Uh, it was getting to.
rev karen:One, you know, they, they, they just got worse and worse.
rev karen:The, the scenes and, uh, the interactions and the demons and, uh, it was,
rev karen:it was wearing me down, you know?
rev karen:Um, I felt when I got home to my, well, to the hospital and I
rev karen:had a lot of time to think it, it felt like years that I was there.
rev karen:Wow.
rev karen:I was just, it was just never ending.
rev karen:And of course there's no time on that side.
rev karen:And, and when.
rev karen:Traveling with your soul.
rev karen:Anything on the other side is, is now.
rev karen:It's always now.
rev karen:There's, there's no time.
rev karen:But, um, anyway, I finally got out accidentally, uh, again, being a brat.
rev karen:And that was the, uh, misfit in hell thing.
rev karen:I just, I wouldn't cave man.
rev karen:I just, uh, thought, no, no, no, no.
rev karen:I'm gonna get outta here.
rev karen:And when I did unexpected.
rev karen:Uh, I liken it to being a, a balloon.
rev karen:When they put it on the end of a tube, it's gonna fill it with helium.
rev karen:And I just felt like this whoosh.
rev karen:And I got big and I got just filled with joy and love and bliss and, and, uh,
rev karen:swimming in love was all I could feel at.
rev karen:I felt like I was like tumbling and every cell of my body was just, just filled
rev karen:to the brim with this, this wonderful, and this was all in this warm light.
rev karen:And.
rev karen:And it was awesome and I completely forgot everything.
rev karen:I was just reveling in this, in this love, and as it kind of settled down, I could
rev karen:see that it, it seemed to be, I don't know, not a fog, but it seemed to make
rev karen:kind of like a, a cathedral of some sort.
rev karen:All our mar marble.
rev karen:I mean, it didn't have anything in it, it was just that.
rev karen:And when I looked up, I looked over and oh my gosh, there's my friend
rev karen:who just died the month before.
rev karen:Oh, wow.
rev karen:Of course, dying of leukemia is not a pretty sight.
rev karen:You know, your hair falls out.
rev karen:He was all swollen and purple and yeah, so he looked great and he was
rev karen:laughing and he was just looking like I got a secret kind of thing.
rev karen:We always used to play tricks on each.
rev karen:And, uh, he was wearing a sweater.
rev karen:I gave him, I mean it was him.
rev karen:And, uh, I thought to myself, uh, oh, he doesn't know he is dead.
rev karen:You know, . Cause I had no idea I was, and then he started really laughing and I
rev karen:thought, oh, I didn't say that out loud.
rev karen:You know, the pieces were starting to fall into place and I thought, Now if he's
rev karen:dead and he can hear me, I must be dead.
rev karen:And this is like the best news ever.
rev karen:I was so excited.
rev karen:I thought, wow, Kevin, you know, with my friend, I mean, my gosh.
rev karen:And then I thought, why are we just standing here?
rev karen:And, and I do remember looking over to one side, something caught my eye.
rev karen:It was a big like architect's table with this huge book, like a big bible
rev karen:or something, open about halfway.
rev karen:And I thought now he was showing me something in that.
rev karen:But darn, if I can remember what it was, well get coming back.
rev karen:I'm sure he was showing me what I had to do when I got back.
rev karen:Mm-hmm.
rev karen:. And that's why he came up and, and said, now Mary Kay, that's when he called me.
rev karen:You've got too much left to do.
rev karen:Mm-hmm.
rev karen:. And, uh, that was not what I wanted to hear.
rev karen:I was furious.
rev karen:I was disappointed.
rev karen:I.
rev karen:Outta control.
rev karen:I just said, no, no, no.
rev karen:When I'm crossing my arms, I remember.
rev karen:So I stomped my foot just like a two year old, and I said, are you kidding?
rev karen:No.
rev karen:would I going anywhere, , and I was gone.
rev karen:So I did manage to get to some sort of, I think I time out
rev karen:had white place, so angry.
rev karen:Uh, I did get to walk down this lovely stream and talk to a couple of beings
rev karen:that said I had to give a message to somebody and then, The lights came
rev karen:up and they were way too bright and there's these strange people and I
rev karen:thought, oh no, I'm back in hell.
rev karen:Uhhuh . And they turned around as my family.
rev karen:They're screaming mom's back.
rev karen:And I, you know, I thought back, you know what I mean?
rev karen:I couldn't move.
rev karen:I had that thing in my throat, I couldn't talk.
rev karen:Oh yeah.
rev karen:Um, and I.
rev karen:And I, I thought, what's going on?
rev karen:My daughter kept saying over and over, now, mom, you're really sick.
rev karen:We thought we lost you.
rev karen:You're, you're back and you're gonna be just fine.
rev karen:And I thought, just fine is not one I wouldn't come up with in this situation.
rev karen:How am I gonna be just, and the other thing was, how am I
rev karen:gonna get all this stuff done?
rev karen:He was talking about, I can't move, I can't talk . It was just, Awful.
rev karen:Awful, awful, awful, awful.
rev karen:And it was really good that I couldn't talk because when my, my mom says, oh,
rev karen:Kathy, we had this prayer circle going around the globe, praying to bring
rev karen:you back, and we brought you back.
rev karen:And I thought I could get my hands on you,
rev karen:I don't wanna be here.
rev karen:But again, I was lucky that I couldn't talk and I couldn't for quite.
rev karen:So then began three, uh, you know, integration, trying to Yeah.
rev karen:What all that was about.
rev karen:Scared to go to sleep.
rev karen:I hadn't, somebody had to be in my room or I couldn't go back to sleep.
rev karen:I was scared to doubt those demons were gonna come back.
rev karen:Right.
rev karen:It's, it's, uh, it's not a good experience.
rev karen:You know, I was reading the other day that not only to the, the
rev karen:dressing near death, experiencers.
rev karen:Suffer PTs, but anybody that goes to heaven and comes back, it's a terrible
rev karen:shock and it's a terrible disappointment.
rev karen:Um, it's, it's traumatic.
rev karen:Wow.
rev karen:You don't wanna be, the only ones that I've heard of that, that choose
rev karen:to come back are usually the ones that were dying in giving birth or
rev karen:they've got two little kids at home and they, that overwhelming need and.
rev karen:They'll, they'll, they'll sacrifice their selves to come back for those children.
rev karen:Otherwise, most of us are kicking in scream.
rev karen:Interesting.
rev karen:I didn't realize that.
rev karen:So it's pretty traumatic coming back.
rev karen:It, it almost makes me wonder if that's how childbirth is
rev karen:when we first come in as well.
rev karen:But that's a whole different topic.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:But I, I, I, I believe that.
rev karen:So I'm curious what, what you believe your trip to hell meant, but also.
rev karen:Did you have a, deep, religious background prior to this?
rev karen:I mean, did you know all, everything in the Bible or all about hell,
rev karen:what to expect or Oh, yeah.
rev karen:Oh yeah.
rev karen:Okay.
rev karen:I was a born and raised Catholic.
rev karen:I always went to Catholic schools.
rev karen:Okay.
rev karen:Uh, you know, church every Sunday.
rev karen:Did the rosaries, did the, no, Venus did.
rev karen:I mean, I was hook, line and sinker, very involved in this, and I was taught
rev karen:from a very early age by those nuns that.
rev karen:Nobody goes straight to heaven.
rev karen:You know, maybe Mother Teresa Right.
rev karen:But the rest of us, we are all gonna go to purgatory.
rev karen:Right.
rev karen:It's just like hell.
rev karen:But you get out eventually.
rev karen:And I believe that I really did.
rev karen:And, and so when I died, I believe I manifested that.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Um, and, and I believed I'd go and I did.
rev karen:So I took all the hellish things that happened in my life and I brought
rev karen:'em with me and, uh, made 'em worse.
rev karen:And then it took.
rev karen:20 years to figure that out.
rev karen:, this is not something that anybody out there could help you with.
rev karen:Um, there's very few of us that, uh, come forward with the, the
rev karen:distressing ones for obvious reasons.
rev karen:The first question is always, what did you do to go to hell?
rev karen:Right?
rev karen:Uh, no good answer.
rev karen:You know, so, , uh, there aren't a lot of us, so I, I did find Nancy Evans Bush's
rev karen:books and Howard Storm, and finally I, I thought, well, I'm not the only one,
rev karen:you know, and these people are distressed and still trying to figure it out.
rev karen:And, uh, but now with all the people that I've, I've associated with that,
rev karen:did you know the Straight to heaven?
rev karen:, um, . It, it makes sense about PREPA planning my life.
rev karen:I believe that now, uh, I believe that God is all loving and all forgiving
rev karen:and would never condemn anybody because we are all part of God.
rev karen:Mm-hmm.
rev karen:our souls are parts of God.
rev karen:God can't condemn himself.
rev karen:So I believe I was misinformed, uh, with my religious teachings and
rev karen:subsequently I've had to give them.
rev karen:and my new understanding is what I experienced, which was God's love and
rev karen:God's forgiveness and, and kindness.
rev karen:And, uh, so I, I, I call myself, most of us do spiritual rather than religious now.
rev karen:And you know, I don't try and convert anybody or change
rev karen:anybody, but this just changed me.
rev karen:And this is, this is the message I have to bring back.
rev karen:And that's, you've got too much left to.
rev karen:Is to spread that message that God is all loving and forgiving.
rev karen:And please don't be afraid of God.
rev karen:Don't be afraid of death.
rev karen:There is a life review.
rev karen:I wasn't there long enough to get one, but most of the people I, I know that,
rev karen:that, you know, there's, there's.
rev karen:One, in about one in 10 people have some sort of near-death experience or a
rev karen:spiritually transformative experience.
rev karen:So that's billions of people on this planet right now have had the same,
rev karen:you know, basic experience that I have.
rev karen:Wow.
rev karen:And they all have the same conclusion, you know, about uh, the ones that
rev karen:were up there had the life review.
rev karen:And I think that's interesting.
rev karen:It sounds like you.
rev karen:Like a movie, uh, from when you were conceived to when you died, and
rev karen:every single instant of that, that life has played out, um, quickly.
rev karen:But you can, you know, you can absorb that without this human brain
rev karen:that's as, as constrictive, right?
rev karen:And, and you get to see every single thing that happened to you.
rev karen:And, and they're, they're guides with guardian angels, you know,
rev karen:whatever you wanna call them with you and, and, You're told, you know,
rev karen:you, you planned all these things.
rev karen:Let's just see how you did.
rev karen:Okay.
rev karen:You know, no judgment.
rev karen:So you get to watch these things and you can come to
rev karen:your own conclusions, you know?
rev karen:Ooh, I was a little mean there.
rev karen:That was probably not nice, you know, to my sister or, or gee whizz, you
rev karen:know, I gave my last $20 to that.
rev karen:That guy at the corner that was hungry that, hey, that was good of me.
rev karen:But then they flip it around and this is the interesting part.
rev karen:Then you get to experience the whole thing.
rev karen:As if you are the one interacting with you.
rev karen:So if, if you said something rude or whatever, and it.
rev karen:You get to feel that hurt.
rev karen:Oh, really?
rev karen:And you did some.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:If you did something kind, you will feel the love that person felt and
rev karen:the repercussions of those things.
rev karen:So if you were kind, they went home, they did something kind, blah,
rev karen:blah, blah, you were mean and ugly.
rev karen:Okay?
rev karen:That's the next person he runs into.
rev karen:He's gonna be Kurt with.
rev karen:So you get to see what your life meant, you know, and, uh, how well you did.
rev karen:You know, I'm, I'm here, I'm sure to learn.
rev karen:Yeah, that's, that's a biggie for me.
rev karen:And non-judgmental.
rev karen:Ooh, that's a, that's a tough one.
rev karen:So I'm sure whenever I run up against something like that, now I go, mm, this
rev karen:is one of the first things I planned.
rev karen:Uh, this is uncomfortable.
rev karen:I don't like it, but this is, I've got, gotta look at the lesson.
rev karen:. And it just, that's what I mean when it say I say it, it changes you.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:You're never the same person.
rev karen:Um, the glasses come off, you know?
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:But it's, it's a blessing.
rev karen:I think that, you know, that that was the best thing that ever happened to me.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Um, to wake up . Well, right.
rev karen:So, so you think it helped you wake.
rev karen:Let me ask you if, if someone is out there worried, like, well, what if I'm one of
rev karen:those people that has this bad experience?
rev karen:Can you, can you just kind of summarize why you think you had that bad experience,
rev karen:and if a person is, you know, likely to have it, or, or can we change things
rev karen:now and maybe not have that experience?
rev karen:You know, I don't know.
rev karen:All I know from me is that I believe I planned it, you know?
rev karen:Okay.
rev karen:I planned I was a brave soul and I planned that.
rev karen:Uh, there are other people that have had them and they come to pretty much the
rev karen:same conclusion, um, because they in turn then go out and say, don't worry about it.
rev karen:Oh, I planned that now.
rev karen:They came.
rev karen:If, if you're gonna go, you're gonna get the life review, right?
rev karen:And you go to heaven.
rev karen:I mean, there's, God doesn't condemn anybody.
rev karen:Now people say to me, well, wait a minute.
rev karen:What you, I mean, you can go and do whatever you want in this life and,
rev karen:and there's no repercussions and no punishment, no nothing, right?
rev karen:But you get the life review and you get to feel personally how your actions
rev karen:offended other people or felt so, How much worse can you make it for somebody
rev karen:when they, they realize the pain and feel the pain that they cause others?
rev karen:You take somebody like Hitler, right.
rev karen:You know, to feel all of that.
rev karen:What more could you do to somebody, but that's you doing that to
rev karen:you, that's not God, you know?
rev karen:Right.
rev karen:So that's, that's the difference.
rev karen:God, God respects that you wanted to do that and, and
rev karen:that you wanted to learn that.
rev karen:And, um, we have free.
rev karen:So that's interesting.
rev karen:So is that part of the message you're here to give us is that we're gonna
rev karen:feel it all when we when we get there, we're going to, um, yeah.
rev karen:Feel what we've done.
rev karen:So Learn Earth is a, is an academy.
rev karen:It's a, it is a school.
rev karen:We choose to come down and learn things and then we go home and, uh, see how.
rev karen:Right.
rev karen:And then that brings up reincarnation.
rev karen:I'm told that you can go thousands of times.
rev karen:Uh mm-hmm.
rev karen:, we're, we're talking attorney eternity.
rev karen:Uh, so you don't just come down for 85 years and that da da, you're done.
rev karen:No, it's.
rev karen:I won't say it gets boring , but, but there's so much else to do.
rev karen:I mean, there's other universes, other planets, other right,
rev karen:um, experiences out there.
rev karen:They're, they're endless.
rev karen:We, we are, are human with this little brain and all we can barely
rev karen:figure out is birth and our lives.
rev karen:I mean, that's too, that's just almost too much right there.
rev karen:Um, but when we get free and, and we are back in our spirit form, it's gonna be.
rev karen:Really fun.
rev karen:. I'm curious, you talked about the two living people you saw mm-hmm.
rev karen:, and then you saw the one dead friend, you know, he had already died.
rev karen:Did you see any, um, people you knew that had already died in the
rev karen:hell part of it or just the two?
rev karen:That's where I saw the two people, um, the two living ones.
rev karen:The stories.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:But, but see, that wasn't, that was my manifestation.
rev karen:That wasn't God putting my friends in hell.
rev karen:That's another reason, right.
rev karen:That I, I, I could tell that, you know, 20 years later that after the fear could
rev karen:subside a little bit and I could talk to other people who said, well, I, you
rev karen:know, I think this is what's going on.
rev karen:Then it went click.
rev karen:Of course.
rev karen:Now, um, I knew in, in my heart, uh, that those two people were
rev karen:in trouble when I was on Earth.
rev karen:Oh, I see.
rev karen:I knew they were okay, and, and so it.
rev karen:Uh, something that I brought there that, that concerned me, that
rev karen:I was fearful for their souls.
rev karen:I see.
rev karen:And um, so to be able to see that and then have that say, Kathy, you
rev karen:need to give them a wake up call.
rev karen:You've just been ignoring that, you know, they need to hear this Uhhuh . So
rev karen:I think that's why that happened.
rev karen:And one person didn't take the message.
rev karen:Maybe she did later.
rev karen:I don't know.
rev karen:I haven't seen her in over 20 years, but the other person was, Right.
rev karen:It, it, it turned her world around immensely, so it was a good thing.
rev karen:Yeah, absolutely.
rev karen:What would you say is your number one message to the world then at, you know,
rev karen:from, from you having to go through this?
rev karen:Um, I, when I got back, I was still a little goosey going back to.
rev karen:And I, I really prayed.
rev karen:I said, God, you know, I'm, I, I'm done with her.
rev karen:That thou shelt knots.
rev karen:Um, please give me something simple that I can do every day and tell people.
rev karen:And if, if they just do this, you know, don't worry about it.
rev karen:And it was to be loving, kind, merciful, forgiving, encouraging,
rev karen:grateful, non-judgmental, and.
rev karen:, and that's my mantra every morning.
rev karen:That's my intention.
rev karen:Wow.
rev karen:Can you say that again?
rev karen:That's fantastic.
rev karen:It was loving and kind.
rev karen:Merciful and forgiving.
rev karen:Encouraging, grateful.
rev karen:Non-judgmental.
rev karen:Zing.
rev karen:And useful.
rev karen:Useful is taking this stuff and spreading it.
rev karen:Not just keeping it, yeah.
rev karen:You know.
rev karen:So if you do that, if you do have that mindset in the morning, just okay,
rev karen:today I'm gonna be loving and kind.
rev karen:I don't care who I run into.
rev karen:I'm gonna take a deep breath and be kind.
rev karen:When I answer this person, it usually drives me up a wall.
rev karen:And then your whole, you just eventually just kind of become a different person.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Well that's quite a lesson for all of us, for sure.
rev karen:I mean, your experience, um, do you go into a lot of detail in your book about
rev karen:your experience through those hellish?
rev karen:Yeah, I do.
rev karen:Yeah, I do.
rev karen:And, and sometimes it's appropriate and sometimes, uh, I just don't feel I.
rev karen:I pray before I do these things, you know, and, uh, I'm inspired and so
rev karen:I'll, I'll say what I'm supposed to.
rev karen:I don't use notes or anything like that.
rev karen:It just, it just comes to me that those parts come to me and then I'll,
rev karen:I'll start to go down, you know, to a different area and I hear, no, no, no.
rev karen:So I just kind of tailor, you know what I'm.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Yeah, that, yeah.
rev karen:Absolutely.
rev karen:That sounds like the, the right thing to do.
rev karen:Whatever God is directing you to do in the minute.
rev karen:So, well, I, I've loved this, this conversation and hearing about this
rev karen:because I also was raised Catholic.
rev karen:Um, and there was a point I stopped thinking, I don't think
rev karen:my grandmother's in hell, even though she did some of these sin.
rev karen:I, I just don't think that's right.
rev karen:And so I was super excited to hear, , how this experience wrapped up for you
rev karen:because, um, a lot of people talk a lot about hell for sure, don't they?
rev karen:No.
rev karen:I, about 85% of the people I talked Catholics, recovering
rev karen:Catholics is what we call ourselves.
rev karen:And it's, it's just.
rev karen:Things got off track.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:You know, I mean, Jesus was a kind an, and he was an activist,
rev karen:you know, he was, he was railing.
rev karen:I just read this today in, in another, I, it keeps coming up, railing against
rev karen:the system and, and, uh, you know, right.
rev karen:God is your father and, and he loves you, and, and here's the prodigal.
rev karen:That's the one I clinging to, you know, of any story in the
rev karen:Bible that the Good Samaritan and the, uh, sermon on the Mount.
rev karen:Okay.
rev karen:Mm-hmm.
rev karen:. I take that, the rest of it, I, yeah.
rev karen:Just don't buy it anymore.
rev karen:Yes.
rev karen:Uh, have you run into strong Christians or evangelicals coming at you?
rev karen:Yes.
rev karen:And uh, I get a lot of, uh, reviews that way.
rev karen:Uh, yeah.
rev karen:Mistakenly went in somewhere into the deep south, accidentally.
rev karen:And, oh, I'm telling you, the fireworks went off.
rev karen:I had a hundred and some odd, you know, questions afterwards.
rev karen:And almost all of us said, why didn't you call on Jesus the minute you were there?
rev karen:Oh, and you know, it's like, honey, there Jesus wasn't in hell.
rev karen:All right.
rev karen:I, I, I wanted, I wanted to have this experience for a reason.
rev karen:And, um, yeah, I, if I, if I'd gotten saved from it,
rev karen:I'd just had to do it again.
rev karen:You're not getting the picture here, , um, God didn't send,
rev karen:doesn't send anybody to help.
rev karen:Right.
rev karen:That's, that's the big thing.
rev karen:So they can't wrap their minds around that at all.
rev karen:Right.
rev karen:Yeah, and it's sad.
rev karen:It's sad to go through life like that.
rev karen:I did it for 50 something years.
rev karen:I know how sad that is.
rev karen:To be so afraid all the time.
rev karen:Oh my gosh, you know, my child's done this, or my mother or
rev karen:my grandmother's done this.
rev karen:Yeah, I've done this.
rev karen:Can I be, how many times can I go to confession?
rev karen:I mean, should I say another rosary?
rev karen:I mean, my gosh, what a terrible way to live and, and God is,
rev karen:I'm sure you'd gone, that's not.
rev karen:That's not what's supposed to happen here.
rev karen:Exactly.
rev karen:Exactly.
rev karen:Well, it sounds your own hell people , don't skip the trip.
rev karen:That's what I like to say.
rev karen:Well, if you know, if you've committed one sin, you might as well do all of
rev karen:'em if you're going to hell anyway.
rev karen:But that's, well, that's just it.
rev karen:But if you're gonna get a life review, you're gonna think
rev karen:twice about it, . Exactly.
rev karen:Well, I am completely aligned with helping you spread this
rev karen:message because Oh, thanks.
rev karen:You know.
rev karen:It completely fits with what I believe and that Awesome.
rev karen:You know, we need to let people know it's okay and do your thing and your
rev karen:man, your mantra, uh, is perfect.
rev karen:I'll, um, I will actually, uh, listen and write that out and
rev karen:put it in the show notes as well, because I think it's powerful.
rev karen:So would you like to wrap up with anything?
rev karen:Do you wanna share where we can find you or your book or appearances?
rev karen:Oh, okay.
rev karen:Um, everything's tied to my misfit and held to heaven expat thing.
rev karen:Uh, my website and on, on Amazon, you can buy my book or the cheapest way is
rev karen:to get a Kindle and, uh, . It's just, uh, I just like to share this information.
rev karen:I have people gimme good feedback that they needed to hear that.
rev karen:I'm curious, have you done an audio book for it?
rev karen:Yes.
rev karen:Oh, oh, there's an audio book.
rev karen:That would be fantastic.
rev karen:Hearing the experience and, and a CD and a and i three.
rev karen:Everything I threw, you know, it costs a lot of money to publish a book and believe
rev karen:me, you're never gonna get it back.
rev karen:But this was my mission, so I was given some money, uh, when I sold
rev karen:my house, and so, Wrote the book and published it and did everything I
rev karen:could, and this is, I think, my hundred and fifth podcast I've been on now.
rev karen:Wow.
rev karen:They keep coming, you know, spirit keeps sending them to me
rev karen:and saying, okay, Kath, yeah.
rev karen:Brush your hair, put on a little makeup.
rev karen:You're , you're on in 10.
rev karen:So, uh, it's a good way.
rev karen:That's, that's the blessing of Covid.
rev karen:There's always a silver lining to things, and if it hadn't been for Covid,
rev karen:podcasting wouldn't have taken off like this and all the wonderful things you're.
rev karen:I applaud you.
rev karen:I, you know, this is a good mission on Yeah, yeah, it's, it's a lot of
rev karen:fun and talking to people who are, who are brilliant and have all these
rev karen:insights and all these messages for us.
rev karen:Gotta get 'em out there.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Thank you.
rev karen:I appreciate it.
rev karen:Yeah.
rev karen:Well thank you so much for coming on here and I look forward to actually.
rev karen:Listening to your audiobook because I hadn't even thought
rev karen:about doing that before.
rev karen:So thank you.
rev karen:And, to everyone listening,
rev karen:okay.
rev karen:Bye everyone.
rev karen:Bye.
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