Embracing Humour and Preparing for Standup: The Journey to Episode 200

Summary

Host John Ball is excited about the upcoming 200th episode, featuring an interview with Chris Marr. He also updates listeners on his recent solo venture, inspired by a previous episode with Judy Carter.

John discusses the importance of humour in presentations and his leap into stand-up comedy, including a planned open mic night performance.

The episode touches on techniques for incorporating humour, personal storytelling, and the role of comedy in building trust and engagement with audiences. John also reflects on the podcast's evolution and invites listener participation.

If you'd like to ask John a question, email [email protected] or visit the website/LinkedIn profile at the bottom of the show notes.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Schedule Update

00:20 Inspiration from Judy Carter

01:51 Preparing for Standup Comedy

04:58 Comedy Techniques and Observations

07:44 The Power of Humour in Presentations

12:42 Podcast Journey and Future Plans

16:32 Conclusion and Upcoming Episode

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Welcome to the show, and today I want to do something a little

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different bringing you the solo

show on Wednesday instead of Friday.

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I will get that schedule fixed

back to normal pretty soon.

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But one of the reasons for doing that

is the next episode is gonna be episode

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200, and that is going to be an interview

with an incredible guest called Chris Ma.

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I'm bringing you that on Friday.

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But I wanted today to follow on

from my episode with Judy Carter and

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give you some news about something

that episode inspired me to do.

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So I hope you'll stay with me to hear a

little bit more about adding humor into

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your presentations and maybe even having

a go at standup comedy while perhaps

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why we should all do that as speakers.

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So welcome to present influence the show

for speakers, coaches and consultants who

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want to influence, impact, and inspire.

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My name's John Ball, your guide on this

journey to mastery level communication.

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As we get things started off on the show

today, I hope you have checked out the

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episode with Judy Carter from last time.

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Judy shared some real gems, and

Judy is someone who I'd wanted to

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interview for a very long time.

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She's one of the only people,

who is an excellent comedy coach

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who can help you to be funnier.

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But one thing that Judy to say is.

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She can't make unfunny people funny.

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However, there is maybe a little

get around that sometimes even just

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by acknowledging that you are humor

impaired, you can get that laugh if you

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struggle to be funny in other things.

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So you can still have a little, there's

always ways to add a little humor, even if

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you're not a natural comedian or humorist

or joker within your presentations,

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it's still good to have that.

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Do Judy's thing of changing your

response from a negative to a positive.

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Hey, I'm humor impaired.

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It turns things around and you can get

those although I would say that response

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does require a little bit of work or

practice that may not feel for you.

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Even deadpan.

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I think that would work.

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Now, one of the things that Judy

did say is that she herself was

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doing a standup comedy night.

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In fact, she was paying to be on an

open mic so she could scare herself, so

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she could have the experience of being

up, telling some jokes and doing some

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material in front of a live audience.

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And stage time is always such an important

element of keeping ourselves going.

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Now I have for a little while been aware

of that a new open mic Comedy Night in

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English in the city of Valencia where

I live and have been a little tentative

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about putting myself forward for it.

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One element has been the time to

actually do the prep work for this,

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and that's still a concern for me.

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However, I do have.

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Overall book's worth of comedy

material that I've been writing

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over several years based on exer.

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A lot of it's based on exercises that

I've done with Judy Carter through the

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new Comedy Bible and the workbook that

she has alongside that has been incredibly

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helpful for me, and having been going

over some of that material and knowing

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that I now need to come up with a five

minute set for April the third then.

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I'm happy to say that some of that

stuff is still making me laugh.

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I have no idea how that's gonna go,

I was saying to a friend today that

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I'm happy to get up on stage and talk,

and I can be funny when I do that.

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And a good friend of mine was

saying to me, she's always found

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my talks and presentations to

be entertaining and humorous.

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So that's certainly a good start.

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But the whole concept of getting

on a stage with the sole intention

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of making people laugh is scary.

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And I decided to put myself forward

for this open mic night is only

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gonna be five minutes and if I can,

I'm gonna record it so that I can

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share it with you on the podcast.

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Now, some of the things that I think

are particularly important, and one

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thing I think is really good to do is

to set the tone straight away, which

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is something I'm gonna do, set the tone

straight away of who I am what I'm about.

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So one of the first things I'm

gonna say is, Hey, I'm gonna

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address the elephant in the room.

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And then I'll say something like,

Hey, I'm not talking about myself.

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I'm not an elephant.

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Oh, okay.

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Maybe I'm have a few extra pounds, but

that can actually lead me into some

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material that I already have written.

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So it starts gonna be something, I

think, something along those lines

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clearly needs a little bit of practice.

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And of course I'm delivering it

deadpan here, so it's not gonna

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be how it would be on a stage.

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But I'm happy to say things like thinking

about different aspects of your life

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as stories particularly were very Well.

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Most comedy these days is stories,

people telling stories that are humorous

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or have humorous elements in them.

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And one thing I got from the workshop

that I did with Judy Carter several

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months ago was we worked on a story

that I'm gonna bring into my five

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minute set that's just based on

something as simple as going swimming.

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So this is where the, me talking

about being a bit overweight

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is gonna lead me into that.

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I'm now going swimming every

day as part of my mission, to

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combat my size, and to slim down.

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And that leads me into then the, some

of the funny, hopefully funny story

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that we, that I worked on with Judy,

which is gonna require a little bit

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more, a little bit more work as well.

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Some of the things that I do think work

very well though within comedy sets

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are rants to talk about things that

you really hate and why you hate them.

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I think also things that you don't really

understand, or maybe you do understand

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them, but you don't understand why people

respond in certain ways or why they do.

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Why do people do some of the

crazy things that they do?

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Done in the right way.

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That can work.

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Observational humor can be really good.

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I would have to say one of the best

comedians I've ever seen observational

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humor, although she's in the doghouse

these days, is Ellen DeGeneres is

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she had her standup certainly from

way back was excellent observational

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comedy, Victoria Wood, and from the uk.

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Another great example probably someone

that anyone outside of the UK may not

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really know or have come across or

any of our, any younger UK listeners.

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May not necessarily be aware of her

either, but observations are done the

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right way and they're like, what the hell?

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You want to look at what those

strange responses are that people

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have and your reactions to that

as well done in the right way.

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That can be funny.

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So I'm gonna let you know how that goes.

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But it's important, I think , and

something I'm gonna do is try out my

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material before I get onto that stage.

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So it's not going to be just me delivering

that for the first time to anyone else.

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I wanna see if that material

can make someone laugh before

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I do an open mic night.

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I'm not a professional comedian

although, something I would love to

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do is even though that's terrifying,

it's something I would love to do.

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And I would love to be good at it.

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So I'm hoping I can make people

laugh at least a little bit

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in five minutes on stage.

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And I want to share that as terrifying

as it is with you, and encourage

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you as well to think about the

ways in which you could be funny.

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If you are wanting to punch up your

presentations a little bit and being funny

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could be a good way for you to do that,

and I think it is a great way to do that.

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Do grab yourself a copy of Judy Carter's

new Comedy Bible, because I think it is

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the only book that I've come across that

effectively teaches you how to construct

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standup comedy routines and put yourself

into the mindset of creating the material.

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So Judy does a great job of leading you

into comic ways of thinking, flexing your

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comedy muscles in your brain so that you

start thinking in those sorts of ways.

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We want things like those power of

three effects, where we'll have a

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one and a two, and then a surprise.

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So you get one thing normal,

second thing normal, and the third

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thing completely off the wall.

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A bit of a, what the heck?

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Those are the kinds of things

that do make people laugh.

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Interestingly enough, before I'd

even made this decision, I have

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also been listening to a book on

understanding humor and comedy.

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Which has been really fascinating

and there are certainly some great

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tips in there as well for comedy

writing and for comedy performing.

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And I think one of the most important

things is that comedy isn't necessarily

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always about punching up or punching down,

or it's not always about insulting people.

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Sometimes comedy is about creating

a sense of danger and then

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giving the relief of that danger.

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So we had, oh, where's

it gonna go with this?

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And then it was like, oh, sigh of relief.

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We can laugh about that now as well.

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So comedy can be many different

things, but it doesn't mean that

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we always have to be political.

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We don't always have to be an

attack on somebody or we don't

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have to make other people.

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Into the punchline of our jokes, but

if we are gonna do that, we should

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probably try and do it in a warm way.

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And I think this is something

that I sometimes I watch a lot of

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standup because it is something that

fascinates me and it is something I

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would like to be able to be good at.

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And when I see comedians doing crowd

work, especially comedians, like Jessica

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Kirson and Mateo, lane another one.

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Excellent.

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With crowd work, and there's another

guy whose name I can't remember.

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He's very good at crowd work.

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And when I see these, they can throw out

sometimes a harsh word or an insult, but

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then they'll smile and they'll make it.

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Okay.

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And that makes me think about.

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Back when I used to be a flight

attendant, and I remember years and

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years ago, a senior crew member saying

to me, Hey, look, you can pretty much

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say anything you want to say with a

smile on your face to a passenger.

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Now, short of actually swearing at them

or calling them something very offensive.

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You can mostly say anything you

want with a smile on your face.

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And I found over the years, my experience.

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Proved that pretty much was the case.

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Not that I was trying to be

intentionally mean or nasty to people.

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I just sometimes find when you had to give

some feedback on the spot or maybe make

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a comment in a situation that you could

get away with something a little cheeky if

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you had a smile on your face, and it does

need to be that warm smile rather than a

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smug grade or something, someone might

want to slap you or punch you instead.

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So I think no warm smile on your face, the

one where your eyes are smiling as well.

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It shows that there's no hostility,

and I think this is one of the

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reasons why comedy does help to

engender trust in a relationship with

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an audience, particularly, because

it's disarming to that degree.

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It shows not a threat.

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'cause I'm making you

laugh and I come in peace.

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It's like I might be cheeky,

but I'm not gonna hurt you.

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I'm not going to upset you.

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I'm not going to damage you

or your reputation in any way.

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I might make some jokes, but

it's all gonna be lighthearted.

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And it's not gonna be deeply personal

'cause we're not looking to upset anyone.

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That's not the goal of comedy.

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But when we can do comedy

well, we can potentially have

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a theater or an auditorium of

people laughing at the same time.

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Okay.

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Maybe not.

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Everyone, a hundred percent is always

gonna be laughing at every joke.

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But it tends to be the case that when a

lot of people start laughing, other people

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start to join in as well because laughter

is like a group activity that we'll do and

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it does start to much like storytelling,

comedy does start to synchronize our

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brainwaves when we're laughing together.

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It helps to make groups more cohesive.

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We feel like we can almost trust

people if we are laughing about the

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same things as they are and we're

finding the same things funny.

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We find our tribe, as Judy was

saying, we find the people who will

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throw the ball back to us and not get

upset or think, Hey, you are weird.

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I would love to hear from you, as to

whether you are adding some humor into

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your presentations or whether you are

gonna try and be a little funnier, whether

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you are actually gonna grab yourself

a copy of the Comedy Bible, and maybe

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even the workbook, and have a go at

being funny, creating, at least writing

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some humorous material for yourself.

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And if you do.

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Please feel free to share it.

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You can by all means, you can join Judy's

Comedy Bible, Facebook group and share

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stuff there and connect with other people,

many of whom are actually trying to

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become full-time professional comedians.

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But you could also, if you're brave,

share it here and maybe if you

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are open to it, we could actually

have a show where we take a look

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at some of the things that you do.

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I would love to add any, anything I

get back from you into the episode

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that I'm gonna do where I'm gonna

try and bring you a recording

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of my attempt at standup humor.

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I'll share this as well before

I start to wrap up for today,

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but I'm also gonna potentially

be in a story slam this Sunday.

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I definitely feel it is time to do

something about my stage time, because

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it's been a long time since I've been

to a Toast Master group and most of

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my presentation work recently has been

virtual, so I really want to do some in

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person speaking and presenting, get up

on those stages and try out my skills.

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So not only do I have to prepare a

five minute story for this Sunday,

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but also keep working on my five

minute set, which is exactly what I'm

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going to work on once I've finished

recording this particular episode.

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So if you're not interested in hearing me

talk about any of my podcast experience

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to come up to 200 episodes, this might

be a good place to leave the episode.

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But for those of you who are interested

in that, I'd love to share a little

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of some of my insights with you.

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This show has been through

numerous iterations over the years.

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There's several name changes.

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It started off being called the

Loqui Podcast or Lokey Loca Speaking.

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Nobody got that.

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They thought it was like lokey, the

God of mischief or something like that.

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There was a crazy name.

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I changed it to, I think,

speaking of influence.

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Then it just became speaking influence.

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I think, I can't even remember what I was

calling it last year or a few years ago

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before I changed it to present influence,

which was also my business name.

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It just made so much sense when it's

like, all right, this is actually

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what the show's about, and I have the

business operating name or present

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influence because it's about presenting

and it's about influence, but it's

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also about being present, and I wanted

the show to reflect that as well.

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So it is been a lot more cohesive.

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We did have a bit of a tone where I was

trying to take the show to being more

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about podcasts and podcast guesting.

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However, it just seemed, it felt

like it limited the scope of what I

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wanted to talk about way too much.

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And really, I wanted the show to be about.

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Influence, about persuasion, about

presentation skills, the kinda stuff

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that's gonna help us all, myself

included, to become better communicators.

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So that's one reason why I want

to keep bringing experts on who

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can talk about interesting aspects

that help us to grow and develop.

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In our communication and influence

and persuasion skills within ethical

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frameworks and to perhaps sometimes

understand some of these stuff that

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maybe isn't so ethical so that we can

at least have awareness of that, but

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hopefully not practice that for ourselves.

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The show did have a bit of a hiatus last

year whilst I was working with the Speaker

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lab organization and things got very

busy there and I just really couldn't

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keep up with the workload paying someone

else to edit and take care of the show,

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to have that done at the quality that

I wanted was a bit beyond my budget.

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It was really a case of I still needed to

find the time to do that rather than to

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get some cheapy editing from fiverr.com

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or something like that.

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It felt better to maybe pause

the show and I wasn't really

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sure it was gonna come back.

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I would say, honestly, just being

honest with you, I probably lost a

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bit of passion for it for a while.

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And it was really hard to get that back.

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But I knew I wanted to and I worked on it

and I talked about it with various people

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and then I started putting the show back

together and looking at some new guest

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interviews and decided, Hey, yeah, this

is something that I really want to do.

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I'm happy to report that the show

listener numbers are gradually increasing.

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It's all going in the right direction.

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People do seem to be liking the mixture

of guest interviews and solo shows as

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well, so I'm gonna keep those coming and

take your pick as to which you prefer.

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If there are any other formats that you

would like to see or any other ideas you

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have for the show, or maybe you even think

you'd like to be, come and be a guest or

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even a guest host then please let me know.

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I'd love, I would love to hear from you.

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Certainly the show is going to continue

and now that I'm particularly growing my

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speaking business and my coaching elements

with that as well it really is all

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gonna be very tied into what we do here.

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So you're gonna get a lot of

elements that I coach and work with

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people on within these episodes.

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But of course, if you wanna wait

to get all that piecemeal over

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episodes over several years, then

you know, very welcome to do that.

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But if you do want to accelerate

things and maybe then develop a keynote

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for us to work on your humor, get

presentation feedback and guidance,

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that's gonna take you to a new level,

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we could have a chat sooner than that.

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You can.

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Just reach out to me,

[email protected]

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or connect with me on LinkedIn.

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You'll find my LinkedIn profile link

within the show notes to the episode.

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But that's pretty much

it for me for this week.

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And so the next episode is

gonna be my 200th episode.

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I'm gonna be bringing you that originally

was gonna be the episode with Judy but

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it's now gonna be a wonderful interview

that I did with a guy called Chris Marr,

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who is the author of the Authoritative

Coach, which I do have trouble saying.

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Great book.

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And if you want to check out really what

I would call the first part of this where

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we talked about the coaching elements,

if you are a coach and you are interested

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in being a more authoritative coach.

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Go and listen to the coaching

clinic episode with Chris, where

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myself and Angie had a chat.

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We talked much more about the

coaching elements there on this

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episode, which is gonna be the follow

up to that, which I did solo with

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Chris for this particular podcast.

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We talk much more about the authority

elements of that and how that's gonna

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help you as a speaker, consultant coach.

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So whilst there may be a little

crossover between those, it is

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a very different conversation.

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Very worthwhile as well.

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So I hope you will join us for that

episode 200 coming out this Friday.

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You'll also get the newsletter on Friday.

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I will return to the Wednesday

format, but if you're not currently

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getting the newsletter at the

moment, it's only on LinkedIn.

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I will be trying to make it available.

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On Kit as well.

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So for anyone who wants to sign up

and get it straight to their email

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inbox without following another

LinkedIn newsletter we'll make that

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available for you as well pretty soon.

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But right now it's just on LinkedIn.

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Certainly looking to get

more followers there.

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I'm aiming to hit 1000 followers

on LinkedIn for the newsletter.

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If you do check that out and sign up for

it, please do share it with your network

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as well so that we can hit that 1000

follower goal for the newsletter too.

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For now, wherever you're going,

wherever you're doing, have an

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amazing rest of your day and I'll

see you next time for episode 200.